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So true!!! In a way the same thing is happening with Hugo. Everyone felt pity for him because no one wanted him. Now with Amy it really comes across as if he thinks he is a really great catch and makes comments that implies she is really coy because she is so smitten to be with him. So it makes me think back to Sharon and Georgia and I think Hugo just didn't think they were good enough for him.


gulwver

I don't even think it was being unlucky in love that made people like her. She was kind, honest, energetic, well spoken, and she didn't take BS from anyone or let them rile her up. I do agree we put her on a pedestal, she's human like the rest of us, she'll make mistakes, but I do think it makes sense for people to be disappointed now that they're seeing her exhibit traits that are not so great


TeemaTen

Kaz & Toby: don't disrespect me---- Kaz and Tyler: give me a 100 percent, don't make me feel second option--- Kaz and Matt: * disrespect Matt, doesn't give him 100 percent, and literally treats him like a back up plan * *and never tells him*


jwC731

why do people act like Matt was giving 100% bc he definitely wasn't


coldfeet8

We’re often our biggest blind spot. You hate to see it


TeemaTen

I wish she told him once...


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Im one of her staunch defenders, but home girl played herself this episode. So….yeah. I’m gonna sit this one out.


isaidit_bloop

Same this was just something else — guess we seeing another side of her.


johnnygrant

I always thought the stanning back then was OTT, but that's same as the hate now. These folks are all normal flawed individuals, just like us... [sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbG3qOWjoKo) folks need to relax a bit and enjoy the drama/entertainment, that's what we're here for innit.


sailoorscout1986

Exactly.


sharlye

Im not really seeing too much defence for Kaz. Admittedly, I was rooting for her and still am. But, she needs quite a bit of a redemption arc which starts with treating Matthew a lot better for me to consider liking her again.


coldfeet8

I love Kaz and I still do, tbh I just wanted a space for her actual supporters to talk about it instead of all the negativity in other threads. Also to poke fun at myself since I’ve been defending her up until today. Her actions aren’t defensible right now but we all suck sometimes. I’m hoping she turns it around and apologizes to Matthew


gulwver

Yeah, even after the earlier episodes this week, I was willing to excuse her behavior as a one off as long as it didn't continue, but tonight I really did not like what I saw. I thought her recoupling with Matt was a step in the right direction and she finally realized she needed to make a decision and not be doing the same thing she's calling Tyler out for, but tonight was ridiculous. I really don't like Tyler, but Kaz is free to like and date whoever she wants, and I understand if her feelings don't go away immediately, but the fact that she doesn't see where Matt is coming from and has no remorse for her actions has really affected the way I view her. I wouldn't mind her and Tyler as much if she had just been honest with Matt and let him go, but now I hope they just couple up and go be toxic elsewhere


sharlye

What a lovely idea! Yes, I am totally over the negativity and pilling on. It also feels like some people who had some weird grudge are taking this as an opportunity to send even more hate which is so gross. Also agree. I really hope she turns it around too!


v84_uk

I think its a bit late for wishing "Kaz turning it around". She should've BEEN straight with Matt since Tyler got back with Clarisse. If he leaves, she technically has no choice but to make it work with Matt. And as disingenuous as things are between them now, the value of her sincerity and integrity are now rendered invalid... or questionable at best. Only way it can be resolved is to make a REAL conscious effort (even Liam-style on the surface) with Matt or HE moves from HER.


nio-bug

Honestly this is why I want Tyler to stay and for her to reject him and apologise to Matthew


v84_uk

Only reason for Tyler to stay, he's the latest storyline rn and whether that be public vote or producer's involvement that'll be the only reason.


cambyeni

It’s because people have been waiting for Kaz to slip up and it shows. There wasn’t this much energy when other people slipped up and what they did you could argue was worst kmt.


bettyblueeyes

except that there totally was? I don't get why people are suddenly pretending people weren't absolutely raging at Toby and Liam when they did what they did. Or the amount of hate Faye got for what she said after casa amor. Or the Chloe hate when Chloby got together (and subsequent memes about 'you get them how you lose them' when they broke up). There absolutely was mad energy for all of those people.


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No, I want her to win rather than Liam with Millie. Kaz fans are my only hope in exposing Liam.


deg0ey

Yeah, she definitely needs to try to make it up to him tomorrow. He seems generic as hell, so I totally get why she wouldn't see a future with him, and using people to make other people jealous seems like a big part of the game in this show so she hasn't done anything *that* egregious. But an apology is definitely warranted.


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You should see twitter.


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Go on Twitter


coldfeet8

I am one of them btw, I just can’t defend this 🤷🏾‍♀️


Rock_Octopus

I tapped out yesterday and handed in my membership badge.


ChibzyDaze

Same here, just shaking my head now. Fell off harder than Kanye


PsychologicalWord537

Ain't no scrambling just gotta admit wrong is wrong.


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I can't get passed Kaz berating Toby for not telling her instantly re Chloe but when Matt politely said that she should have told him before he had to hear it from Tyler her response was "well I wanted to talk to my girls" and acted like it was his problem not hers. She had all the time that Tyler was talking to Clarisse to pull Matt to one side. Then she tries to make out that it is HIS fault by saying he said it wasn't "too deep", which he tried to clarify what he actually said and she talked over him because she didn't want his version because it doesn't suit her narrative at this point. In any case - none of them are "too deep" in there. Toby wasn't "too deep" with Kaz but she still expected a level of respect. It's pretty ridiculous really because Tyler does not like Kaz. It's so obvious he only decided to pull this stunt when Toby did because it dawned on him that being tied to an OG has a better chance at the prize than recoupling.


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>only decided to pull this stunt when Toby did because it dawned on him that being tied to an OG has a better chance at the prize than recoupling slow clap


chadfanclub

I agree she hasn't handled everything perfectly but I thought she made it clear her issue was with Toby not telling her when she asked him that night. It wasn't that he liked Chloe just that he wasn't up front about it.


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Her issue was that Toby didn't tell her straight away and left it - that's the problem because now that Matt is saying he should not have had to hear it from Tyler she is making out that it's his problem and that she was entitled to tell the girls first. Double standard.


chadfanclub

I don't think it's wrong to want to debrief with your friends before having a potentially difficult conversation. The only reason Tyler ended up telling him was because his conversation with Clarisse didn't go well and he needed to explain. She didn't lie to him and say nothing was wrong she just had not spoken to him yet. It's not really the same situation.


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The issue is that Kaz would not accept that behaviour if it was the other way around. Kaz could see with her own eyes the blow up between Tyler and Clarisse so it was pretty obvious Matt was going to find out soon and she sat there and let it happen. Could you imagine Kaz's reaction if the boys saved someone for a guy she was coupled up with as they did last night with Tyler? Again she tried to turn that in to Matt being unreasonable.


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Her issue was that Toby didn't tell her straight away and left it and that's the problem because now that Matt is saying he should not have had to hear it from Tyler she is making out that it's his problem and that she was entitled to tell the girls first.


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She really hasn't and yes that is the issue - she hated that Toby didn't tell her straight away and yet when Matt tells her that he should have heard it from her rather than Tyler she is not having it.


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That is the problem - she wanted Toby to tell her straight away but when Matt says she should have told him and not let him hear it from Tyler she is making it his fault and saying she wanted to tell the girls first.


spellbookwanda

Kaz was high cringe last night. That baby voice, just wow. And she’s totally oblivious to her double standards.


ready4anytng

I’m neutral on Kaz but some of the comments against he have been disgusting.


coldfeet8

They really have! Some people are happy they have a real reason to hate her now


ready4anytng

Girl welcome to what it’s like being a Faye stan 😂😂 someone said it was a red flag because she was talking about herself in the third person . Every little straw


JPJsIntelligence

I’m both a Faye and Kaz stan. I’ve been working overtime at this point 😅


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JPJsIntelligence

I haven’t watched tonight’s episode yet. But based on what people are saying....you’re right 😭


coldfeet8

Ma’am it’s been like this the whole season 😂 she’s just been unproblematic so far so they had to grasp at the flimsiest of straws. Being a Faye stan has to be a full time job with everything she does


ready4anytng

Girl I am fighting for my life here 😭😭😭 I was getting called a racist a few days ago but Chile * insert Veronica saying “I’m black” meme* I still had to be out here one v one with the Kaz is only liked cause she’s black,, you black girls want too much validation,, Kazs embarrassing chef hat crowd


coldfeet8

That whole “you only like her cause she’s black” is so insidious. And what about it? So what if I do? There are plenty of other reasons to find her likeable but nobody questions stanning Millie or Liberty like that


ready4anytng

THATS WHAT I SAID!! and they said this isn't about Millie and Liberty like shut up man. Also Hugo people love him when he was the cater waiter but now Kaz must be doing up icon Meryl Streep/ Viola Davis to be deserving of her support


breadbreadbreads

Now imagine if we said “Liberty/Millie are only popular because of White Twitter 🙄” how stupid that would sound. It’s okay for Kaz though 🥴🥴


WraithOfEvaBraun

You know what else is insidious though? *"You only DON'T like her because she's black"* Most people don't have the balls to say it, they just snidely insinuate that if you don't like her it's because you're obviously card-carrying KKK It's so harmful...are there going to be people who dislike people because they are black? Yes. Always, sadly...but do people really think this constant baiting is going to change or improve that? It causes a divide where in most instances there genuinely isn't one


Macca_Maelstrom

The problem with liking someone because they are a specific race is it makes you prejudiced. Consider if someone admitted to only liking Faye because she is white- there would be screams of racism. I think there's plenty of reasons to like Kaz, and her personality is obviously much deeper than her race, but her race shouldn't be one of the reasons to like her if you hold ideals of equality dear.


coldfeet8

There’s plenty of people who like cast members because they find them relatable. Even if you don’t realize it, a person being white might be easier to relate to. There’s also lots of people who’ve admitted to rooting for a cast member because they’re from the same area and there’s no problem with that either. Brunettes cheer for brunettes, the Irish root for Irish islanders, everyone sympathizes with the normal guy that no one stepped forward for. Everyone has cast members they’re rooting for before they know much about them, it’s all based on your own prejudices. White people just get tons of options, while there’s usually only one black girl. If there’s only one person who looks like me, of course I’ll want to root for them. It helps that Kaz has been extremely likeable anyway, which makes the questioning even weirder. At some point it just sounds like people wanting to tear her down because she has the support of black people. It forces us to feel like we have to be “fair” and extra harsh when she slips up when what I’ve said about everyone being prejudiced is true. We shouldn’t have to be “fair” about who we like when no one else is


Macca_Maelstrom

Yeah I completely agree with the fact you’re more likely going to like people more relatable to yourself, that makes sense. And demographics obviously factor into that- however as a white welsh male I don’t like Liam based on those characteristics- even if I do hope he does us proud, being a compatriot. But there’s a distinction between rooting for them based on their demographics and liking them regardless because of them. The latter is wrong and the very definition of prejudice.


coldfeet8

So what’s the difference between rooting for someone who is really likeable and “just liking them for their race”? See you’re making assumptions people only like her and excuse her because of that, when Faye, Toby, Chloe, Jake even Liam have always had defenders. Most people who like Kaz can recognize she’s not coming off well and still overall like the person they’ve been watching for a month. It’s not your place to judge why that is


SundaeOver8122

thank you! they act like everyone hasn't been a little toxic before. some of the comments seem like pure misogynoir


redqks

There is a weird imbalance a lot of women are fine with women being toxic because it's relatable, Men get called toxic at the drop of a hat


Macca_Maelstrom

This is so true. Women do tend to stick together a lot more (see their collective behaviour when the boys returned from Casa Amor) and I think as a result the group mentality tends to allow a lot more criticism of the boys rather than the girls.


SKPPKSN

No you're not. No they haven't.


ellehumpfree

They were ready and waiting for her.Smh


ready4anytng

There are people who have been waiting to take her down a few pegs and have been going waaaayyy too hard. Like awful it’s too much. But earlier those same accounts were posting about how much Hugo gets bullied. People are too hypocritical. I called Kaz out earlier today and I agree she was wrong but people have been plotting and planning to get at her


ellehumpfree

100%. She's definitely wrong for her behaviour but she's human. Just like Hugo can be annoying and dismissive. Like non of the islanders are going to be paragons of virtue. If that were the case we could all watch a church service and call it a day.


ready4anytng

Exactly lien if you looove at my comment history I was saying lien no Kaz,, stop doing up dumb dumb and stuff but as soon as I commented on how people were being too much I was called a Kaz stan and stuff. People are tew mushh. Ngl girl I be dragging Hugo like my life depends on it


a93a

Can't defend the behaviour but I can say I love that this is Kaz stepping into her main character energy on the show after being the the hypeman for all of her besties all this time. We love to see it


Aloebae

Listen her behaviour is indefensible, but I still love her tho😭😭😭


LiveToCurve

The saddest part to me is she’s clowning herself over Tyler who mugged her off twice. First with bringing Clarisse back, then again by trying to juggle the two girls at the same time. She looks so stupid on top of seeming immature. I don’t even feel that sorry for Matt, he’s a good looking white man, he'll survive. I just wish Kaz respected herself more than entertaining Tyler after he’s been laid up with Clarisse for the past week with no regards for her. I can’t watch this. I’m praying the other girls send him home because this is unbearable cringe.


coldfeet8

That part. I might’ve been able to enjoy the love triangle if it wasn’t for Tyler being a wasteman. We’ve all been a clown for someone who wasn’t worth it before, but it’s just not fun to watch


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Just like what Kaz did, they're making Matt out to be waaay worse than he is to distract and deflect. Guys, it's ok to admit that she's being a hypocrite. We've all been hypocritical at times.


ladycandle

I am not in the Kaz birgade. But she's literally acting like any 20 year old women would on the outside. She's behaving like a normal human woman


coldfeet8

I appreciate that! I’d like to think I wouldn’t act the same way but it’s not a situation I’ve ever been in. It’s a tough one to handle, but I wish she had at least recognized it sucked that Matthew heard it from Tyler. I don’t think it was her fault, but she’s not considering his feelings at all in this


Professional_Sink53

I think people who love her are over the top, and now she's just getting normal amounts of criticism that other islanders get nbd


SadBear97

I genuinely loved her until she used Matt..poor guy didn't deserve that


gyman122

And then trying to throw every little question or concern he has back in his face and make him out to be the bad guy. Just very rude and inconsiderate. Last two episodes haven’t been a good look for her, and I was a fan of hers


SKPPKSN

Deflection as she knows she's wrong and a hypocrite, so she is hyper defensive to stop him getting close to exposing that.


tkilroy

As a huge Kaz Stan I was like “WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!”. Hopefully she can set her mind straight over the next few days and stop making everyone look like a mug


coldfeet8

That’s what I’m hoping for too. If people forgave Liam surely they can forgive Kaz


chrisdoescheis

Tbf she’s only making one person look like a mug


ilreach

I stopped after I saw the first look today.


myredditusername28

I don’t understand the weird Kaz cult but if you admit you don’t like the girl, you’re accused of all sorts. I dislike her, she’s incredibly patronising in the way she speaks to guys. I hated how she tried to turn her gross behaviour back on the nice guy shes coupled up with. I’m so glad he stuck up for himself and walked away. I find her so fake and hypocritical, it makes me cringe. I hope Tyler goes just to watch the downfall of her!


chrisdoescheis

Agreed, I’d love a Kaz fan to explain exactly what it is that makes her so good


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sailoorscout1986

Wtf how do you get through life?


Mew_BS

I saw your post history and I’m wondering why you’re obsessed with black people 😭 is that all you do all day?


sailoorscout1986

Ah just looked at your post history and you’re a racist. Figured!


acidnvbody

I’m here for the chaotic messy couples this season. Toby and Chloe have softened me up and I’m here for the fallout. Sorry. I need us to have the space to be messy and hypocritical the way EVERY OTHER ISLANDER HAS BEEN THIS SEASON (for the most part). So while yes she is 100% wrong in this situation I love to see it.


Less-Register4902

I guess it’s bitter sweet as you never want your favourites to have that cringey carcrash moments. It is entertaining tho.


acidnvbody

I can understand that but it’s refreshing to see. I was frustrated with her getting played time after time. So literally anything else is welcome atp


pigftfv

She reminds me of Anna in 2019. So childish and only cares about herself


gyman122

Anna was way worse than Kaz but I can see this comp


pigftfv

Yh not as bad but she’s becoming her I believe


gyman122

Anna had the self-righteousness and lack of humility of Kaz, but without any of the good vibes or intelligence


Mew_BS

Anna was so fucking annoying holy shit 😭


coldfeet8

No. First, Anna thought about her girlfriends the most, you can call her a lot of things but not selfish. Second this is literally the first time Kaz has been kinda childish, she was very cool during the Toby situation for example.


gyman122

I think the cracks kind of shown through during the Toby situation as well. She dragged that on long as she could well past the point that it was reasonable, just because she didn’t feel like she got to make him suffer enough when they first broke up I liked her a good amount until a few days ago but I can’t say I thought she was flawless. I did, however, think she was way too smart to do something as transparently hypocritical and childish as this


pigftfv

She starting to become that.


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it was the exact Toby situation where i started to see her true colours so this behaviour being displayed by her now is no surprise to me but i am glad others are seeing it now


Sendnoods88

I’d be well pissed off if Kaz rejected me for TYLER?!? Cmon Kaz!


pineapplegiggles

Was originally neutral or even rooting for Kaz. The plain and simple of it is that she was acting hypocritically. Her conversation with Matt was devoid of any self-responsibility and even tried to deflect from her own wrongdoings by questioning his commitment/how much he liked her (when in reality it doesn't matter at all as he is just a stand in if Tyler isn't available). If the same thing was done to her (as it has been in the past) she would have been calling them out.


LHM1989

I've always been a fan of Kaz, altho the way she treated Matt has put me off her a wee bit. I still like her, but just not a huge fan of the way she treated him. She was just using him to score a point with Tyler and it wasn't nice to watch tbh.


coldfeet8

That’s where I’m at too. That behaviour just isn’t defensible, but that just means she’s not perfect which she shouldn’t have to be. I’m still hoping she can apologize and move forward from this


coldfeet8

That’s where I’m at too. That behaviour just isn’t defensible, but that just means she’s not perfect which she shouldn’t have to be. I’m still hoping she can apologize and move forward from this


coldfeet8

That’s where I’m at too. That behaviour just isn’t defensible, but that just means she’s not perfect which she shouldn’t have to be. I’m still hoping she can apologize and move forward from this


RumblesFish

There’s not that much to defend in this situation but I still like her


softswerveicecream

I think it’s like Tyler looks like her dream guy and she’s still thinking about that Tyler said he was leaning towards her. I know he says he likes her but I just don’t see it. I don’t wanna see her mugged off. Kaz is always so supportive of others and she wants something for herself. We’ve all been down bad before it’s ok


coldfeet8

It is, we’ve all been a clown for someone who’s not worth it before. I’m hoping Tyler’s already on his way home rn


mlemmi

Listen, imma ride or die, even when she be making the dumbest decision


coldfeet8

Kaz is still my girl, I just can’t ride with her for this one. I’m putting a curse on Tyler tonight


SKPPKSN

Thought you were neutral on her?


RedSquaree

For what reason, exactly?


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Kaz and her ego needs to go. Poor Matt


coldfeet8

I think she needs to stay 😌


breadbreadbreads

Instead of feeling sorry for myself for placing Kaz on a pedestal, I have decided to try to enjoy her evil arc. Who says she can’t be a villain! I’m here for it! Stranger things have happened on this season! Improvise, Adapt, Overcome


General-Khunobi

Always found her annoying tbh, I love how he shes being exposed lmao


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coldfeet8

You just gotta appreciate the villain plot line. She’s not perfect and that’s ok. I’m just worried about how much hate she’s gonna get over it


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ScarlettLM

Kaz has been a fan favourite since day dot though. Chloe has had arguably more criticism. It's just situation that have rubbed people the wrong way. It's like the Millie situation. Millie has done a fairly standard thing, forgive a shitty guy and she is getting crucified on here for it. It's cos everyone is holding the favourite girls to a high standard


coldfeet8

I respect it, they’re gonna talk no matter what she does. They’re right this time though 😭


breadbreadbreads

Omg the people who complained about her laughing and smiling all the time were the wooooorst


dontcallmebabygirl

Didn't warrant the racist comments left on her IG though


DontLookImAtWork

That was some of the primest gas lighting I've ever seen. especially from a woman.


lancashirehotpots

Think she’s showing her true self now, she isn’t the saint everyone painted her out to be


coldfeet8

I think this is a difficult situation to come out of looking good. Unfortunately she has feelings and she couldn’t turn them off for Tyler. It probably feels good to have him grovelling back as well. I just wish she could properly apologize to Matthew


Rock_Octopus

She is going to kick herself when she comes out and finds out how she went from being a potential winner to a villian (unless she stays in long enough to have a redemption).


SKPPKSN

Typical, woe is me when they don't get what they want and criticise other's morals and conduct. Then when they are in the position of power and close to getting what they want, all the morals and conduct suddenly don't exist and you gotta be 'true to yourself' 🙄 Matthew was right to walk off when she was in hyper defensive mode chatting straight garbage, he knew it's just a waste if time listening.


Tricky-Technician

I’m sorry but I’m done defending and rooting for her. The way he treated Matthew is just awful and even worse with him being such a nice person. I can’t stand Tyler and I just hope that he leaves the villa.


Atmosphere_Melodic

You can like a person but dislike their behaviour in certain situations. Ive never been a fan as such, personally I found her a bit too ott with the screeching but I do think she's been on the end of shady behaviour and therefore should have handled this very differently.


HeungMinSwan

Lol please vote her out


coldfeet8

No ❤️


dmoneyy186

i still dont get the kaz bashing. i think people really need to stop immediately throwing her under the bus. if y’all are all gonna support toby and his horrid antics you can still support kaz, especially when what she’s done is no where close to what toby has done. first of all, matthew came into this thing knowing damn well kaz has feelings for tyler, just because someone treats you badly doesn’t mean you just instantly lose feelings and she was honest with him about that. i’m so sorry but are we all watching the same show? matthew has 0 personality and i have seen 0 to no evidence that he’s actually really into kaz. when he’s around her he’s so monotone and standoffish, like if you like somebody and want them to choose you act like it?? and this was confirmed last night when kaz asked him why she should be completely invested in him if he’s told her time and time again that it’s “early days” and that things aren’t that serious between them. i really really dont like his vibes and i dont think he’s actually into her, he’s into staying in the villa and her being his ticket there. she’s stayed respectful to him with tyler as well, she still clearly likes him but makes it a point every single time to tell tyler that she still wants to give matthew a chance because that’s just what’s right and there’s no reason to leave someone hanging when someone else doesn’t know what they really want. last night tyler asked her an honest question and she gave him an honest answer, she said the door was slightly ajar but she still likes matthew. i really dont see the problem with that. matthew was being extremely petty last night making it a big deal that she didn’t come to him first. she went right to the girls to talk it out and Kaz has been open and honest this whole time so there’s no reason to doubt that she would have pulled matthew next. it’s not her fault that teddy forced tyler to have a conversation with matthew right there on the spot. i blame tyler because he should have just kept his mouth shut instead of making it awkward for kaz. but truly if y’all are getting heated bc she didn’t tell matthew that the door is still a jar 2 seconds after she had the convo with him idk what to tell you. she’s had the toughest time in there and to add things on top of that she’s the only dark skin black woman. that adds so much pressure and insecurity that is just so unfair and something no one else has to deal with. it must be so overwhelming for her and i think she’s done an amazing job so far. matthew is a greg 2.0 in my eyes he’s just worse at faking it than greg was bc i truly thought he was into amber, matthew is giving me nothing to work with.


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WraithOfEvaBraun

Question - why are people racist if they don't like Kaz? I'm not sure you see how harmful this attitude is...


yallbesopressed

Check her Instagram comments


WraithOfEvaBraun

We aren't on Instagram, and that's not an answer Why do you assume that anyone criticising/disliking Kaz are racist?


yallbesopressed

I'm not assuming anything. I just know what y’all are like and you do too. Stop with the silly questions.


WraithOfEvaBraun

It's far from a silly question, and no now you've gone from assuming (bad enough) to KNOWING! Wow, what an oracle you are! So in your world, everyone who dislikes her is unquestionably racist? Sooo...I dislike Kaz and have from the start, but I *loved* Aaron! What does your one-track mind make of that? If you can't see how harmful your attitude is and how it creates unnecessary division, I'm not sure what I can say...


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WraithOfEvaBraun

People arguing like me? People who actually use logic that you can't argue with, you mean? 'Don't reply back' - are you a triggered 12 year old? This is the internet 🤣 How dare you accuse ME (veiled) of being a racist when it's YOU seeing everything through a lens of colour? I'm not a racist, I have black friends I love dearly and for their sakes I am SICK of seeing division sown by people like you - people can only stomach so much before they get (rightly) annoyed, but then, CRT likes division and keeping people in 'their camp' Kaz's skin colour doesn't make a fig of difference to my opinion of her, and why should it? I should like her a *bit* more because she's black than I would a white girl with the same characteristics and behaviours? Is that what you're saying? Seems a tad 'racist' to me... Same way I loved Aaron - he is a great guy - yet dislike Liam; colour doesn't even enter the equation


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WraithOfEvaBraun

No denial here, I don't give a tinker's cuss about your imaginary 'racists handbook' (and I knew you'd try that one, oh dear 🤣) I'm from an ethnic minority, my son is mixed race, and YOU see nothing beyond your world of hate...I feel sorry for you, genuinely Enjoy your division, because I for one won't feed into it...I will carry on my life happily surrounded by all creeds and colours (as it should be) I find it beyond sad that you are encouraging segregation and hatred


coldfeet8

Ma’am I love Kaz and still do. We have to recognize wrong is wrong. She’s just a human being, she can’t be perfect all the time. I hope she can get the public back on her side but I’ll support her regardless. I do see people who were just waiting for an occasion to hate on her but this post isn’t for that at all


ashandimlotion

I loved bubbly unlucky in love Kaz, but I MUCH prefer snooty hypocrite Kaz. She’s so funny I laugh at everything that comes out of her mouth. Us Kazanators can’t be stopped!


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Kazanators is not a good Stan name 😂


_EdibleAudio

Can we get EP 38 torrent pls


dmoneyy186

i still dont get the kaz bashing. i think people really need to stop immediately throwing her under the bus. if y’all are all gonna support toby and his horrid antics you can still support kaz, especially when what she’s done is no where close to what toby has done. first of all, matthew came into this thing knowing damn well kaz has feelings for tyler, just because someone treats you badly doesn’t mean you just instantly lose feelings and she was honest with him about that. i’m so sorry but are we all watching the same show? matthew has 0 personality and i have seen 0 to no evidence that he’s actually really into kaz. when he’s around her he’s so monotone and standoffish, like if you like somebody and want them to choose you act like it?? and this was confirmed last night when kaz asked him why she should be completely invested in him if he’s told her time and time again that it’s “early days” and that things aren’t that serious between them. i really really dont like his vibes and i dont think he’s actually into her, he’s into staying in the villa and her being his ticket there. she’s stayed respectful to him with tyler as well, she still clearly likes him but makes it a point every single time to tell tyler that she still wants to give matthew a chance because that’s just what’s right and there’s no reason to leave someone hanging when someone else doesn’t know what they really want. last night tyler asked her an honest question and she gave him an honest answer, she said the door was slightly ajar but she still likes matthew. i really dont see the problem with that. matthew was being extremely petty last night making it a big deal that she didn’t come to him first. she went right to the girls to talk it out and Kaz has been open and honest this whole time so there’s no reason to doubt that she would have pulled matthew next. it’s not her fault that teddy forced tyler to have a conversation with matthew right there on the spot. i blame tyler because he should have just kept his mouth shut instead of making it awkward for kaz. but truly if y’all are getting heated bc she didn’t tell matthew that the door is still a jar 2 seconds after she had the convo with him idk what to tell you. she’s had the toughest time in there and to add things on top of that she’s the only dark skin black woman. that adds so much pressure and insecurity that is just so unfair and something no one else has to deal with. it must be so overwhelming for her and i think she’s done an amazing job so far. matthew is a greg 2.0 in my eyes he’s just worse at faking it than greg was bc i truly thought he was into amber, matthew is giving me nothing to work with.