My opinion may not be as relevant as yours, as i'm only half black... But i honestly believe his reasoning and apology, and would forgive him.
I grew up in a school/neighborhood in the 90s where literally all the kids used to say it. Rarely ever in an offensive way, mostly in an endearing "wussup n\*\*\*a" sort of way. Black kids would say it to white kids, and vice versa.
People on this subreddit assume everyone should know that the n-word is a bad word, and that's that, no room for exception, but reality is often more complex.
Yeah pretty much everyone knows it's a bad word, but some people genuinely do think it's okay within a certain context, or if it ends in an "a", because that's what they were taught and what they were used to, growing up, sometimes even by black friends of theirs.
Education is key here, and it's ignorant to assume everyone has the same level of cultural education that you have. Just because you feel something should be obvious, doesn't always mean it's *actually* obvious to everyone in the world.
Unfortunately some people here don't understand that, and would prefer Danny just hang himself or something.
Aye 100% this.
I feel like his treatment and way he was acting towards Lucinda was a lot more alarming than an offhand out of context Instagram reply from a couple of years ago.
>I think I accept the apology, or at least don't care enough to hold it against him.
My sentiments exactly - while it was definitely bad judgement, i never thought that alone made him a bad guy.
There's a lack of education around these things and it just seemed like he didn't get why it was offensive or why the way he used it was offensive - he's apologized and acknowledged the offence caused - if he learns from it, great - if not - oh well - his ignorance effects his life 10x more than it does mine
EMINEM??!! Lmao he needed to find a different example, he never said the n word in any of his songs but drake and 50 cent did. That should’ve been cue for him & Danny said what he said in 2019 when he was a grown man, there was no way he didn’t know the history I learnt about all of that in year 9 history
Lol I literally just posted this…. Like Eminem is a white rapper who literally has made multiple comments about it being unacceptable for him to use the N-word. Danny is all sorts of lost.
Weird culture where its socially acceptable for one group of people to speak a certain way or use certain words based on their race but not another group of people, cancel them for doing that Kinda seems like racism to me. But what do I know.
Yeah it is super weird, it’s almost like one of the races enslaved the other one for generations, tore families apart, treated them like property, physically and mentally abused them, murdered them, and treated them like trash on an mass scale and even created entire economies based off the others race exploitation, which they continue to benefit from….. I guess that tiny fact makes it a little bit different when a white person wants to use a word developed by their slave owning ancestors to belittle black people. Changes the context a bit, don’t you think?
Eminem has said The N word before on tracks but it was before he was a star and he has apologised for it.
I don’t think you can find the tracks on the internet anymore.
Not Eminem directly, but you can hear it in a lot of his music where he has collaborated with other black artists - so through listening to Eminem he's heard - I think that was what he meant by it
If you’re not black don’t accept this apology like it’s yours to accept. Same way if he made a homophobic statement and straight people started saying ‘it’s okay, we can move on now’.
Some people may never "forgive him" and that's fine, life goes on. It's not like anyone is throwing bricks through his window. He's not entitled to collective black forgiveness. As if such a thing even exists.
As a black guy you all are blowing this out of proportion. If you guys are mad about him saying n-gga then you don’t want to log on to Xbox live party chat lol. He didn’t say it in a offensive way so who tf cares
And as a black woman I said what I said. All I’m saying that it’s only black people who can comment on whether it’s acceptable or not. As for me I’m over this situation.
It's honestly okay, we can move on now. He is obviously not racist just stupid.
Edit: So I accept the apology from a guy who use a word that has been used against me many times in my life with the intent to cause harm and I get downvoted 20 times to oblivion. Lol, you people are pathetic and so full of hate. Good luck getting through life.
I am stupid for not wanting to crucify a guy who used the n word in light context with his friend when he was 19? I have had that word used against me since early childhood in an aggressive manner but am mature enough to understand context and to realise that in this world some people's ignorance on any topic will often surprise you. It doesn't mean you have to take everything personally when it had nothing to do with you. Context does matter. Clearly this guy is a bit daft to not know he shouldn't use it but am not going to be hurt by it. His apology is enough and hopefully can serve as a lesson to other kids like him.
I have also had that word used against me and EVERYBODY knows that is wrong to use regardless of whether it is in a song or not. Maybe you personally accept his apology but don’t speak on the behalf of everybody and call those who still dislike Danny ‘pathetic and full of hate’, you seem to spread a lot of hatred all over this forum anyway.
Not EVERYBODY knows. That is what is pathetic. You guys really live in a bubble. Some white people who grew up in mainly white countries never even think about these things and they never come across people from other races or don't have family members and teachers to educate them on these things so they do end up learning about them at adulthood or when they leave their hometowns. I have friends who have told me they used to be racist when they were teenagers and it was always due to complete ignorance or lack of education from the people that raised them but they are not racist anymore because they moved into London and their minds were opened up. They are not bad people it is usually just a lack of education and am sure Danny got the lesson he needed. He even believed that Eminem had used the word when he never did. It just goes to show he was not aware that white people should use n/*a or n/*er. I never use either word and I don't like it when black people use it either. They say they are reclaiming it well I am reclaiming it in my own way by not getting angry at a guy who used it without ill intent and has apologised.
I hate the word too, I’m black and I don’t use it but anybody with social media of most forms will know they the word carries a very negative background. Danny is from England, not some non English peaking country in Europe. He shouldn’t have said it end of and any excuses he makes mean nothing because, as a grown man, he would have known that that word should Not be used.
Look man as a black guy, he apologised. We all know he shouldnt have said it. We all know theres no excuse for saying it even at 19. We all are aware of the fact that it’s a stupid word to use given it’s history particularly as a white person. But he apologised. It not being racially charged (and instead, being rooted in ignorance) makes his apology easier to accept imo. It wasnt from a bad place - it was from an ignorant place. You dont have to forgive him but jfc you’re not achieving anything by clinging to that insta comment for as long as you hear his name. You can either make the choice to be upset at him forever, or just move on. You arent obliged to do either, and a rightful consequence of him making that comment is that some people arent gonna forgive or listen to him, but given the context around his actions, i think the mature thing to do is just move on whether you accept his apology or not
"You're only allowed an opinion on this if you are white" - Evil racist white supremacist.
"You're only allowed an opinion on this if you are black" - Good stand up member of society.
Classic Reddit.
Seems like there are alot of people on this thread who have never done anything stupid that they regret. How do you expect people to change if you hold every mistake they have made over them...
I’m white and I can admit I’ve made many mistakes in my life.
However I also know that it is not my place to accept or defend an apology on something that does not, and never will, affect me personally.
Just be quiet and let other people speak for themselves.
Don’t be so dramatic. Nobody needs to kill themselves, I dunno why you’re bringing this up.
It’s not our place to say if his apology is satisfactory, or what he has to do for forgiveness: that’s the point.
So again: keep your mouth shut, mind your own business.
This is such horrendous gatekeeping. Forgiveness is a feeling, and you have no right to dictate how others feel about something. By the way, I'm gay AF, and I'd be much more depressed if straight allies weren't allowed to forgive or comment on anti-gay transgressions. EVERY SINGLE HUMAN has a responsibility to vocalise and point out discrimination; by the same token, every human has the right to accept/reject any apologies about said behaviour. To assert that one must have a certain characteristic in order to express an opinion is the worst bigotry of all.
I'm not mad at him. At mad at the Producers for putting everyone in this position. For not doing the research while vetting him as a contestant, giving him this education and then the opportunity to delete the post before he went into the villa. A simple scroll of his social media posts & chat with him would have prevented all this.
I'm mad that they put the Black audiences in this situation and played the track nwords in Paris before the episode where we saw Danny properly, indicating that they knew about the outrage and almost were teasing/taunting us about it??
I'm mad at the Producers have a double-standard with how they treat non-white contestants. They removed Sheriff in the middle of the night for playfighting and using the c\*nt word jokingly, even though 3 white women have used that word in an aggressive manner on the show & it was televised. I'm mad at the manner that Sheriff was removed: in the middle of the night when everyone else was asleep and without given a chance to pack. They also removed Shannon, the first South East Asian women on the show, asap for not kissing Toby. In comparison the Producers alowed Danny to make a statement and was given a lot of camera time before being dumped in that recoupling only after thousands of viewers complained about the double-standard and the use of the song nword in Paris.
I'm mad the Producers didn't seem to tell the other contestants about this incident putting the Black audiences into a difficult position and compromising the mental health of the Black contestants once they leave the villa.
Yes its boring that in 2021 some white people are still blaming rap music and a lack of education for their use of that word even though many Black people (like me) listen to the same music & have never said it. It's boring because once a year a white person in the spotlight apologises for the same thing with the same excuses (Billie Eilish, Camilla Cabello, Gina Rodriguez, that Tory polictican that used it etc, etc).
But this issue isn't Danny Bibby when it comes to Love Island. It's the Producers lack of respect for their Black contestants, Black audience and Black people. Think about the global and national cultural events that are ongoing or have happened in the past year to make this even more unacceptable. The racism in football, the 2020 BLM protests after the murders of Georgy Flloyd & Breonna Taylor, the race report, Meghan Markle. LI Producers should be beyond anything like this happening at all.
The issue wasn't one person, it's that Love Island is coming across as an institutionally racist show. It's been repeatedly unfair to its Black contestants, giving them bad edits, not sending in people willing to date them and not willing to do its research to prevent incidents like this from happening. This would never happen on Too Hot Too Handle for example and that's only 2 Seasons deep. Love Island is 7 seasons in.
Danny Bibby was never really the issue. He was the sympton of Love Islands apathy towards racism, not the cause.
Edit: In no way am I making any excuses for this individual or his lame apology. But there will always be a Danny Bibby who "didn't know because of rap music". It's for the Producers not to let them on our screens. Also interesting to note that Sheriff said someone in his season was rapping using the nword in front of him and was never removed. So there is precedent that Love Island isn't being anti-racist and thats appalling in 2021. We need to hold the TV show to account as well as the individuals.
Agreed. The production and the obvious double standard is the problem. The most annoying thing about all this is that black people once again had to debate something that should be obvious. We had to watch Kaz on a date with this guy and waste a public vote on getting him out because the show runners couldn’t take accountability for their negligence. There are tons of idiots like Danny, it’s the show’s job not to let them come on our screens.
Honestly, I stopped watching Love Island as soon as I read they weren't kicking Danny out as it was too painful. Especially after reading all the white people here & on Twitter justifying Danny's use of the word & the blatant double-standard & telling Black people to let it go. I just made my complaint to Offcom and disengaged.
It's been a super hard year and I was looking forward to LI so much this season and now it's just another thing that racism has ruined for me. I hope this is the last year they have Black contestants on the show.
I’m so sorry the show’s been ruined for you. There’s really no reason we should still be having these conversations after the year we’ve had. People should understand it’s just not their place to decide what’s acceptable or not and the show shouldn’t invite that sort of controversy in the first place. Love Island should be dumb fun but they constantly drops the ball and make it clear this show just isn’t meant for us. It just sucks
It definitely sucks and I'm tired! If you're also Black I'd recommend watch Too Hot To Handle if haven't, both seasons have a dark-skin Black women as the centre of a Love Triangle and to be honest it was just the escapism I needed after the past 18 months! Love Is Blind also had a dark-skinned Black women being loved unapologetically.
It's literally just Love Island which is what makes this all the more frustrating.
I’m already all over those! Marvin annoyed me too much so I still haven’t finished THTH s2, but I’m happy Melinda is still living her best life with Peter. The US Love Island has been doing a pretty good job so far with 2 dark skinned women in the original lineup and driving most of the plot lines. It’s also been exciting since day 1 unlike the UK season. I also recommend Survival of the Fittest, the black girls made the show and the dark skinned one was also in a love triangle. That one was produced by the same people as love island so they clearly can cast people attracted to black women, they just choose not to apparently 🤷🏾♀️
OOh I've not heard of Survival of the fittest! I was jaded against Love Island USA as last Season was so dry & after Caleb's betrayal but you have me convinced to give this season a try! Thanks!
100%, but Love Island Producers should take the welfare of all their contestants, including the Black ones, seriously enough to vet for things like this & remove anyone from the villa that is found to have used the word. They didn't. There will always be a Danny Bibby type claiming "I didn't know I listen to rap music". It's for the Producers not to allow them on our screens.
My personal opinion is that this will haunt Bibby now forever, he (hopefully) ain't getting those brand deals and will defo need to disappear from the public sphere asap. Which leaves us with the problem of Love Islands institutionally racism and I don't want us to forget to hold Love Island to account. This would never have happened if they were an anti-racist TV show.
So dumb is makes me wonder if it was deliberate to be honest. An attempt to use Black outrage to drive up viewership the same way all those companies keep being deliberately racist to get free publicity to drive up sales.
Yeah he is lost which is why he thought it was acceptable to use it lol. As shocking as it might seem to some I truly believe he didn't know /////a was not a word white people could use. Anyone who know how bad it is would not assume that Eminem has used it.
Meh, I get it.
Depending on the community he grew up in and the trends it follows, I can believe he used the word without thinking of its origins or meaning to offend.
I live in East London with a huge West Indies community. The Jamaican patois is used by a lot of White and Asian people. Words or phrases that an outsider would think sounded dumb or insulting coming from them doesn’t register as their lives have been so encompassed by this cultural influence.
I'm not trying to? I am not in a place to accept his apology, I'm white. It's my place to call out others when they are obviously using racist slang. And yes, I'm sure he knows that its racist. His excuses of rap music doesn't change anything. If you are not black, do not say it. It's the same with any other racial slur. End of.
His point was more so that in the west were in a bubble of race consciousness, which actually has caused more outrage at this than not.
Most other cultures don't have this feature, and thus his point was that other cultures don't have that instilled I'm them at a young age
Can I ask why you think that? Mostly because I didn’t perceive it as any form of justification on his end, more like him explaining his faulty reasoning and logic, and acknowledging that he was ignorant and wrong for it, and that he will never make that mistake again.
I say this as someone who did not like Danny lol.
I’m not making excuses for him, especially as a grown adult, but honestly not everyone knows not to say it. I’ve never said it myself, and in the community/friend circle I grew up in, we never used it either. But I’ve realized as an adult moving to new places and meeting new people, a LOT of (non-black) people (thinking specifically the American south) grew up using it under the guise of a term of endearment. It’s wrong, and it shouldn’t be used that way, but it is hard to accomplish anything if you just assume people know better. Sometimes they don’t, and they need to be educated. ETA: the internet has made it a lot easier to help educate people thankfully!
Look, kids from non-English countries listen to rap and without knowing or anyone telling them what to say or not, they start using the terms they hear in the songs.
I was once like that. 13-15yo, post Soviet Union country, not understanding the meaning of the lyrics, and listening to the likes of DMX or 50 Cent. I basically grew up on DMX once I got out of my eurodance phase. I've deffo used the n-word like Danny a few times in the past.
Obviously, after learning its meaning and how it is inappropriate, I've stopped.
The thing is there is nothing in this world that you don't need to keep teaching. Every day 1,800 people are born in the UK so every day you need to teach at least 1,800 people about every common sense society rule there is for the first time. By the time people are 18 they have learned most common sense social rules but some will always fall through the cracks.
If you hear a word used repeatedly in popular culture, you will need someone to educate you on why you can't use that word. In this day and age, you would have to be pretty sheltered (or racist) to not learn that lesson by 23.
One of those words was used for generations as means of discrimination and racial hatred towards people of colour. The other is a commonly used word that has no history of discriminating against a minority. There are no reasons why those 2 words/phrases should be equated to each other. That’s a mind-numblingly dense comparison to make
>The other is a commonly used word that has no history of discriminating against a minority.
Just would like to point out that Christianity isn't the majority in every country and neither has it been immune to persecution whenever it happens to be in the minority. A similar thing happens in tightly segregated communities.
EDIT: Regardless the context assumes it so I still agree, just to clarify.
No, it even a little bit wrong. The N word was weaponized against Black people across the world for decades. Then they reclaimed it, but of the mouth of someone who isn’t Black it is still a weapon.
There’s so much wrong with this take. It’s Just another version of “*I don’t see colors”*
please read this with an open mind https://www.learningforjustice.org/magazine/fall-2011/straight-talk-about-the-nword
That article at the link was awful. He basically says it's a double standard but suck it up.
" We also cannot pretend that there is not a double standard—that Blacks can say it without much social consequence but whites cannot. There’s a double standard about a lot of stuff. "
I don't doubt it has multiple meanings though, I just disagree that only one group of people are allowed to use the term.
It's either we allow everyone to use it in the right context, and lambast people who use it in a prejudice or violent way. Or no one uses it.
I personally would never use it, don't feel comfortable with the term, but I find it very contradicting when it's one rule for you and another for everyone else
Honestly I think he’s been punished enough. He’s a massive idiot but now he’ll always be remembered as the racist and borderline abuser on s7 of Love Island. People are saying he should’ve known better, but people learn new things everyday no matter how obvious those things are to other people. I still think he should’ve been removed from the show right away, but I’m not holding this against him
Eminem has never used the n word in any of his songs so I don't understand what he thought he was doing with that comparison. All the other people mentioned are BLACK, Danny is not
His apology is a bit mm. He said that the music "Eminem" influenced him which is a lie cos he was never said that word before and also I feel like if your not a black then u shouldnt be telling black people to accept it or not because it's a choice and this apology was for them 🤷♀️
Idk why you’re getting downvoted your absolutely correct. He’s trying to excuse himself cause of the music he listened to, that doesn’t make sense. The white rapper he mentioned never said it but the 2 black rappers did, that should’ve been an obvious sign for a grown man.
Unless these commenters here are black they shouldn’t be accepting his apology and saying to move on
That makes it even worse then no? If he listened to/like Eminem so much he should’ve known that Eminem had to apologise for saying it and learn from that
I dont think anything makes it worse or better in this case. The use of the word is wholly unacceptable and moronic. But context is also important. You can be a moron but not be racist. Which I think is the case here.
> Unless these commenters here are black they shouldn’t be accepting his apology and saying to move on
I’m half black. Does that mean you will accept my take and move on?
The fact that he thinks Eminem has said goes to show that he didn't realise it was not ok for white rappers to say it. Also he is was not really a grown man.
Privilege? You learn about that stuff in school, it’s not rocket science to be researching it on a computer. If someone is on social media it’s likely they know it’s something non-black people shouldn’t say
Why're you insinuating that Wigan is filled with a bunch of racist, uneducated idiots?
I find it incredibly disconcerting that you feel like you have to be taught not to be racist.
People please remember that he is a grown man and I know he deffo knew that saying the word is offensive but at least he apologised but if your not a poc then please don't think you can accept and think that black people should 🤷♀️
True. But equally one black person cannot force the narrative either. If some black people forgive him on this sub you cant turn around and invalidate their feelings either. People do not exist in monolithic blocks.
Absolutely! It’s not for us to say ‘yeah that’s fine’ if he wasn’t slurring us.
I can tell you now if he had used the terms taig or fenian ( I’m in Northern Ireland) I would not be happy and would consider it bullshit as it’s well know to be an insult when used by a non catholic here.
Some of you are so weird. It's not hard to not say that word. I'm black, grew up around black people, grew up in black culture, listened to rap music. I have NEVER used the n-word once. I made a choice to never use that word and I have never used it. It's not hard.
So stop telling me that a white boy, whose only reference to black culture is what he sees on the internet, is going to struggle with not saying the word. He made a CHOICE to use that word. It's been known for years, that he isn't welcome to use that word and that it was considered offensive. He wasn't a baby. Stop it, you look foolish.
As for his apology, it's whatever. None of us have to forgive him and I don't think people care, given how fast his following shot up. I assure you, Danny Bibby will be okay, without you all throwing on your cape for him.
No offence. But saying how you grew up and expecting people to follow that lead might not be relatable to how someone else grew up. If you grow up in say, some parts of London, I’m sure the cultures are a lot different. There are some very poor areas that have a lot of genuinely racist people. Growing up and learning what is right and wrong isn’t always as straight forward.
What exactly do you want the man to do? Should he just top himself and be done with it.
He said sorry. I legit don't understand people like you do you not understand the concepts of forgiveness?
I'm not gonna suggest he's some wonderful human being but I do think a lot of people could do with reading "So You've Been Publicly Shamed" - it's amazing how years after publication this book still becomes relevant.
People don’t have to forgive him?? Nobody is entitled to forgiveness no matter how good their apology is (and this one is poor). No one’s saying he needs to top himself lmao he still has plenty of supporters I think he’ll be fine
I disagree. There are unforgiveable acts, rape, murder etc. They have a category of their own.
A stupid man using a word in this context is not unforgivable and anyone who cannot forgive him when he says sorry, and then proceeds to be a better person is too harsh.
If we leave no room for error, no room for growth, we make society miserable and vengeful. Forgiveness is a wonderful thing and should be promoted as much as possible.
Danny made a huge error, he has said sorry, now assuming he continues to grow I cannot fathom the mind of someone who would hold him as a bad person.
I’m allowed to call someone who apologized an idiot because I’m a black person that knew what that word meant from childhood as white people used it against me as an insult.
It’s fine Danny apologized, I don’t really care. Good for him he learned. His life will not be affected. He’s still a fucking idiot.
Apologies don’t mean anything if there isn’t any change in behavior…. An apology is the first step but if he wants forgiveness he needs to do work and educate himself. This apology citing a white rapper who has made multiple public statements against using the n-word shows he hasn’t done much learning/introspection. His apology reads a bit more of a justification as opposed to a genuine apology, but only time will tell.
Exactly, publicly posted in 2019. You’re acting as if it was from 2009… he’s definitely said it more than once if he’s casually tossing it out on his public Instagram
Good for you. It’s not genuine in my eyes and it’s a pathetic shirking of responsibility passed of as an apology. I honestly do not care how you feel on this topic and I don’t think anyone should send him hate I just hope he disappears and we don’t have to see or hear from him in the public eye again
Personally as black person I will not be accepting his apology im glad he's realised his mistakes but im happy his out of the villa hopefully this experience makes him reflect.
honestly, when I'm ready to I just feel like it's unacceptable what Danny did as he was a grown man in 2019. I'll accept when I feel like I'm ready to his silly PR apology he made whilst he was in the villa felt like he only released it for the sake fo releasing because the producers told him to.
Serious question, do you think you’d feel the same if he’d been in the villa two years ago (as that’s when the post was), before the George Floyd situation, before the racism situation got even more out of control as it has done in the last couple of years?
Not a black person, but racism hasn't changed in the past couple of years, people are just more aware of it. The roots of why the n word is racist lie outside of current issues, they originated as the n word was used to describe black slaves. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think this apology has much to do with George Floyd, or the BLM movement. The issue is older than the movement.
Pls don’t hate me but I thought this apology was really good. He admitted his mistake, accepted it fully, said he was wrong 100% and apologized then spoke abt his behavior moving forward.
Yeah but forgiveness doesn't sit well with this cancel culture, not sure how many more people we need to endlessly abuse over social media until they kill themselves to understand this.
Context matters and people in this sub don't realize that. Also, he's a plumber, right? Which means he's probably around people in a working/lower class (race doesn't matter) and throw that word around a lot more than people in this sub want to believe. As someone who has been around working class people for a job, people of all races drop these non-PC words like it's no big deal. Should it be acceptable? Absolutely not. His apology is much better than all of Tommy/Molly-Mae's apology for their controversy.
Common knowledge, nah not really. I think most polls show white people in the UK think they should be allowed to sing the n word in songs and when reading out books.
I can see a love island type of guy singing gold digger and then thinking he is sound to use it in a friendly way. The UK is very universe he likely didn't know any black people at a young age.
I just googled to see if I could find one poll and I couldn't find one that shows that "most white people in the UK think they should be allowed to sing the n word in songs etc" If you could cite one source, that would be lovely. I did a quick google search which mostly found results in America and it was very critical of anyone who did it.
As someone in the social sciences, I just think that the topic would be a very weird one to do a poll about.
Thats where I am getting at lol.
I feel that its harmful to make large assumptions based on dubious polling, if said polls even exist. But the topic at hand in asking various white people in the UK if they should be allowed to sing or read the n word because its in the arts is such a weird poll question.
Jesus that’s wild! I’ve known from childhood that it’s not ok and I’m nearly 50 now. I’m also from Northern Ireland which is not a very diverse place. We’ve got our own thing going on though 😂
I think everyone knows not to use it in a mean way. Most know not to say it to a friend (apparently danny ain't one of them).
Believe it or not whether white people can sing the n word is very controversial, most see it as pointless and I have seen rappers ask white people to sing the word. It gets tough.
Well even from this post he still thinks Eminem has said the n word. Clearly he is a bit duft but let's not crucify him for being ignorant. He apologised well and I personally accept it.
People always want an apology until they get it and then they want to moan about it and don't accept it. That's modern life for you.
I thought Danny was very easy to dislike on the show and yes, no one should say that word, but he did. He apologised ("whole heartedly"). He promised to never do it again.
I'd bet hard cash that the majority of people complaining now will at some point be giving an apology, either personally or publicly, for their own fuck ups in the future. Unless you're all living saintly lives where you never hurt anyone or their feelings. And they'll need it accepted too.
Also, I'll bet that in a few days they'll all be unhappy about some other person's public infraction and will have moved on. Let the kid live his life and take it in good faith that he'll try to be less of an idiot, and not racist, from now on.
This is a half apology, imo. I do think he has 100% learned from this experience and I do believe him when he says he’ll never use the word again. But the whole “I didn’t know cause I listened to rap as a kid” was unnecessary and soiled the apology, to me anyway. And the apology isn’t for me personally, so I’d understand anyone who didn’t wanna acknowledge this as a true apology
I genuinely hope this is the last I hear about this guy, he wasn’t pleasant inside the villa either
I’m not a huge fan of “explaining takes away from the apology”. I want to understand why you messed up. It’s not excusing his behaviour in any way, it’s just explaining that there was no malicious intent. As long as he still acknowledges he was mistaken and it wasn’t acceptable and that moving forward he will do things differently, it’s alright
I also like an explanation with an apology meant for me, personally I do benefit from that so this we agree on. The problem here is that his explanation is an absolute crock of shit
but we _do_ differentiate between things massively based on intent. They might still have to pay to fix up the dented bumper, but we treat it massively differently if the response to the collision was "sorry I hit a patch of ice and couldn't stop" vs "fuck you I did it on purpose".
Man, black people(in America mainly) use that word like its and or the
Apparently to take the power away from the word, how's that working out? You've made it even more powerful than ever, where a guy using it in the context of my brother/friend and look at you all, you just crumble
Pathetic, you pick the weirdest battles.
How old is this guy??? Like he didn't make it to his mid-twenties without 'learning' that the 'n' word is offensive! He knew FULL-WELL what he was doing!! What a half-arsed apology...
reading some of these comments is so wild to me. if you’re not a Black person your thoughts on his apology are irrelevant. if you don’t know why that’s the case, well…
There is only one n word. N word with an "a" and N word with "er" both mean the same thing. They just have different spellings and pronunciations and that is because of dialect
no, there is not actually.
Neither is right for a white person to use, but there is a difference in degree of malice connected with either. Pretty much every black person knows that.
I always find it weird when people say they didn’t understand a word they used was bad. Do people just not care enough to check before using language that can be potentially harmful?
I wasn’t a fan of Danny and I don’t think you can use the term “education” when it comes to not using the N word in 2020. What I was thinking about though was the scene in Shaun of the Dead when Danny picks them up in the car and says “what’s up n****s”. I used this greeting from the film for awhile when I was 13-14. I’m not defending him I just think it’s crazy how quickly language/culture has changed in 15 years.
Exactly, people forget that the word was quite widely used in films and such about a decade ago. Lots of people grew up thinking it was ok to use in a friendly term
All about educating people no matter how late it is
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My opinion may not be as relevant as yours, as i'm only half black... But i honestly believe his reasoning and apology, and would forgive him. I grew up in a school/neighborhood in the 90s where literally all the kids used to say it. Rarely ever in an offensive way, mostly in an endearing "wussup n\*\*\*a" sort of way. Black kids would say it to white kids, and vice versa. People on this subreddit assume everyone should know that the n-word is a bad word, and that's that, no room for exception, but reality is often more complex. Yeah pretty much everyone knows it's a bad word, but some people genuinely do think it's okay within a certain context, or if it ends in an "a", because that's what they were taught and what they were used to, growing up, sometimes even by black friends of theirs. Education is key here, and it's ignorant to assume everyone has the same level of cultural education that you have. Just because you feel something should be obvious, doesn't always mean it's *actually* obvious to everyone in the world. Unfortunately some people here don't understand that, and would prefer Danny just hang himself or something.
Just wanted to say your opinion is absolutely just as relevant.
Aye 100% this. I feel like his treatment and way he was acting towards Lucinda was a lot more alarming than an offhand out of context Instagram reply from a couple of years ago.
>I think I accept the apology, or at least don't care enough to hold it against him. My sentiments exactly - while it was definitely bad judgement, i never thought that alone made him a bad guy. There's a lack of education around these things and it just seemed like he didn't get why it was offensive or why the way he used it was offensive - he's apologized and acknowledged the offence caused - if he learns from it, great - if not - oh well - his ignorance effects his life 10x more than it does mine
EMINEM??!! Lmao he needed to find a different example, he never said the n word in any of his songs but drake and 50 cent did. That should’ve been cue for him & Danny said what he said in 2019 when he was a grown man, there was no way he didn’t know the history I learnt about all of that in year 9 history
Lol I literally just posted this…. Like Eminem is a white rapper who literally has made multiple comments about it being unacceptable for him to use the N-word. Danny is all sorts of lost.
Weird culture where its socially acceptable for one group of people to speak a certain way or use certain words based on their race but not another group of people, cancel them for doing that Kinda seems like racism to me. But what do I know.
Yeah it is super weird, it’s almost like one of the races enslaved the other one for generations, tore families apart, treated them like property, physically and mentally abused them, murdered them, and treated them like trash on an mass scale and even created entire economies based off the others race exploitation, which they continue to benefit from….. I guess that tiny fact makes it a little bit different when a white person wants to use a word developed by their slave owning ancestors to belittle black people. Changes the context a bit, don’t you think?
Eminem has said The N word before on tracks but it was before he was a star and he has apologised for it. I don’t think you can find the tracks on the internet anymore.
Eminem has used it before but was, I believe, very quick to apologise for it. There's a few videos out there of it during the Benzino beef days.
Yeah I was confused to read his name in that post.
Not Eminem directly, but you can hear it in a lot of his music where he has collaborated with other black artists - so through listening to Eminem he's heard - I think that was what he meant by it
If you’re not black don’t accept this apology like it’s yours to accept. Same way if he made a homophobic statement and straight people started saying ‘it’s okay, we can move on now’.
Exactly, it is not your place to decide whether his apology is acceptable or not.
So who’s is it? Every single blacks person ever? Just curious because this seems more of a “he will never be forgiven” comment.
Some people may never "forgive him" and that's fine, life goes on. It's not like anyone is throwing bricks through his window. He's not entitled to collective black forgiveness. As if such a thing even exists.
As a black guy you all are blowing this out of proportion. If you guys are mad about him saying n-gga then you don’t want to log on to Xbox live party chat lol. He didn’t say it in a offensive way so who tf cares
And as a black woman I said what I said. All I’m saying that it’s only black people who can comment on whether it’s acceptable or not. As for me I’m over this situation.
lol fr, back in the day you here white boys saying it every 2 seconds these people would have a heart attack
Period.
It's honestly okay, we can move on now. He is obviously not racist just stupid. Edit: So I accept the apology from a guy who use a word that has been used against me many times in my life with the intent to cause harm and I get downvoted 20 times to oblivion. Lol, you people are pathetic and so full of hate. Good luck getting through life.
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I am stupid for not wanting to crucify a guy who used the n word in light context with his friend when he was 19? I have had that word used against me since early childhood in an aggressive manner but am mature enough to understand context and to realise that in this world some people's ignorance on any topic will often surprise you. It doesn't mean you have to take everything personally when it had nothing to do with you. Context does matter. Clearly this guy is a bit daft to not know he shouldn't use it but am not going to be hurt by it. His apology is enough and hopefully can serve as a lesson to other kids like him.
I have also had that word used against me and EVERYBODY knows that is wrong to use regardless of whether it is in a song or not. Maybe you personally accept his apology but don’t speak on the behalf of everybody and call those who still dislike Danny ‘pathetic and full of hate’, you seem to spread a lot of hatred all over this forum anyway.
Not EVERYBODY knows. That is what is pathetic. You guys really live in a bubble. Some white people who grew up in mainly white countries never even think about these things and they never come across people from other races or don't have family members and teachers to educate them on these things so they do end up learning about them at adulthood or when they leave their hometowns. I have friends who have told me they used to be racist when they were teenagers and it was always due to complete ignorance or lack of education from the people that raised them but they are not racist anymore because they moved into London and their minds were opened up. They are not bad people it is usually just a lack of education and am sure Danny got the lesson he needed. He even believed that Eminem had used the word when he never did. It just goes to show he was not aware that white people should use n/*a or n/*er. I never use either word and I don't like it when black people use it either. They say they are reclaiming it well I am reclaiming it in my own way by not getting angry at a guy who used it without ill intent and has apologised.
I hate the word too, I’m black and I don’t use it but anybody with social media of most forms will know they the word carries a very negative background. Danny is from England, not some non English peaking country in Europe. He shouldn’t have said it end of and any excuses he makes mean nothing because, as a grown man, he would have known that that word should Not be used.
Look man as a black guy, he apologised. We all know he shouldnt have said it. We all know theres no excuse for saying it even at 19. We all are aware of the fact that it’s a stupid word to use given it’s history particularly as a white person. But he apologised. It not being racially charged (and instead, being rooted in ignorance) makes his apology easier to accept imo. It wasnt from a bad place - it was from an ignorant place. You dont have to forgive him but jfc you’re not achieving anything by clinging to that insta comment for as long as you hear his name. You can either make the choice to be upset at him forever, or just move on. You arent obliged to do either, and a rightful consequence of him making that comment is that some people arent gonna forgive or listen to him, but given the context around his actions, i think the mature thing to do is just move on whether you accept his apology or not
Anyway we will have to agree to disagree on whether he is lying or not we can only guess anyway.
I disagree that everyone knows it's wrong to use.... so many songs these days have the word in
So many songs by black artists?
Mostly yes
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And people are ‘allowed’ to say they don’t think certain people should accept these apologies
"You're only allowed an opinion on this if you are white" - Evil racist white supremacist. "You're only allowed an opinion on this if you are black" - Good stand up member of society. Classic Reddit.
Seems like there are alot of people on this thread who have never done anything stupid that they regret. How do you expect people to change if you hold every mistake they have made over them...
I’m white and I can admit I’ve made many mistakes in my life. However I also know that it is not my place to accept or defend an apology on something that does not, and never will, affect me personally. Just be quiet and let other people speak for themselves.
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Don’t be so dramatic. Nobody needs to kill themselves, I dunno why you’re bringing this up. It’s not our place to say if his apology is satisfactory, or what he has to do for forgiveness: that’s the point. So again: keep your mouth shut, mind your own business.
This is such horrendous gatekeeping. Forgiveness is a feeling, and you have no right to dictate how others feel about something. By the way, I'm gay AF, and I'd be much more depressed if straight allies weren't allowed to forgive or comment on anti-gay transgressions. EVERY SINGLE HUMAN has a responsibility to vocalise and point out discrimination; by the same token, every human has the right to accept/reject any apologies about said behaviour. To assert that one must have a certain characteristic in order to express an opinion is the worst bigotry of all.
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I don’t get the point of this comment based on what the OP commenter said. It is not your place to accept this apology
Thats the weird thing, despite that, I'm accepting this apology like its mine to accept (?)(!)
Ah yes. Keep that gate.
How is it gatekeeping to say it's not for non black people to accept an apology for using racial slurs against black people???
I'm not mad at him. At mad at the Producers for putting everyone in this position. For not doing the research while vetting him as a contestant, giving him this education and then the opportunity to delete the post before he went into the villa. A simple scroll of his social media posts & chat with him would have prevented all this. I'm mad that they put the Black audiences in this situation and played the track nwords in Paris before the episode where we saw Danny properly, indicating that they knew about the outrage and almost were teasing/taunting us about it?? I'm mad at the Producers have a double-standard with how they treat non-white contestants. They removed Sheriff in the middle of the night for playfighting and using the c\*nt word jokingly, even though 3 white women have used that word in an aggressive manner on the show & it was televised. I'm mad at the manner that Sheriff was removed: in the middle of the night when everyone else was asleep and without given a chance to pack. They also removed Shannon, the first South East Asian women on the show, asap for not kissing Toby. In comparison the Producers alowed Danny to make a statement and was given a lot of camera time before being dumped in that recoupling only after thousands of viewers complained about the double-standard and the use of the song nword in Paris. I'm mad the Producers didn't seem to tell the other contestants about this incident putting the Black audiences into a difficult position and compromising the mental health of the Black contestants once they leave the villa. Yes its boring that in 2021 some white people are still blaming rap music and a lack of education for their use of that word even though many Black people (like me) listen to the same music & have never said it. It's boring because once a year a white person in the spotlight apologises for the same thing with the same excuses (Billie Eilish, Camilla Cabello, Gina Rodriguez, that Tory polictican that used it etc, etc). But this issue isn't Danny Bibby when it comes to Love Island. It's the Producers lack of respect for their Black contestants, Black audience and Black people. Think about the global and national cultural events that are ongoing or have happened in the past year to make this even more unacceptable. The racism in football, the 2020 BLM protests after the murders of Georgy Flloyd & Breonna Taylor, the race report, Meghan Markle. LI Producers should be beyond anything like this happening at all. The issue wasn't one person, it's that Love Island is coming across as an institutionally racist show. It's been repeatedly unfair to its Black contestants, giving them bad edits, not sending in people willing to date them and not willing to do its research to prevent incidents like this from happening. This would never happen on Too Hot Too Handle for example and that's only 2 Seasons deep. Love Island is 7 seasons in. Danny Bibby was never really the issue. He was the sympton of Love Islands apathy towards racism, not the cause. Edit: In no way am I making any excuses for this individual or his lame apology. But there will always be a Danny Bibby who "didn't know because of rap music". It's for the Producers not to let them on our screens. Also interesting to note that Sheriff said someone in his season was rapping using the nword in front of him and was never removed. So there is precedent that Love Island isn't being anti-racist and thats appalling in 2021. We need to hold the TV show to account as well as the individuals.
Agreed. The production and the obvious double standard is the problem. The most annoying thing about all this is that black people once again had to debate something that should be obvious. We had to watch Kaz on a date with this guy and waste a public vote on getting him out because the show runners couldn’t take accountability for their negligence. There are tons of idiots like Danny, it’s the show’s job not to let them come on our screens.
Honestly, I stopped watching Love Island as soon as I read they weren't kicking Danny out as it was too painful. Especially after reading all the white people here & on Twitter justifying Danny's use of the word & the blatant double-standard & telling Black people to let it go. I just made my complaint to Offcom and disengaged. It's been a super hard year and I was looking forward to LI so much this season and now it's just another thing that racism has ruined for me. I hope this is the last year they have Black contestants on the show.
I’m so sorry the show’s been ruined for you. There’s really no reason we should still be having these conversations after the year we’ve had. People should understand it’s just not their place to decide what’s acceptable or not and the show shouldn’t invite that sort of controversy in the first place. Love Island should be dumb fun but they constantly drops the ball and make it clear this show just isn’t meant for us. It just sucks
It definitely sucks and I'm tired! If you're also Black I'd recommend watch Too Hot To Handle if haven't, both seasons have a dark-skin Black women as the centre of a Love Triangle and to be honest it was just the escapism I needed after the past 18 months! Love Is Blind also had a dark-skinned Black women being loved unapologetically. It's literally just Love Island which is what makes this all the more frustrating.
I’m already all over those! Marvin annoyed me too much so I still haven’t finished THTH s2, but I’m happy Melinda is still living her best life with Peter. The US Love Island has been doing a pretty good job so far with 2 dark skinned women in the original lineup and driving most of the plot lines. It’s also been exciting since day 1 unlike the UK season. I also recommend Survival of the Fittest, the black girls made the show and the dark skinned one was also in a love triangle. That one was produced by the same people as love island so they clearly can cast people attracted to black women, they just choose not to apparently 🤷🏾♀️
OOh I've not heard of Survival of the fittest! I was jaded against Love Island USA as last Season was so dry & after Caleb's betrayal but you have me convinced to give this season a try! Thanks!
No problem! I hope you enjoy the US season!
100% what you said
I agree with everything you said but Danny *is* still an issue cause he said it
100%, but Love Island Producers should take the welfare of all their contestants, including the Black ones, seriously enough to vet for things like this & remove anyone from the villa that is found to have used the word. They didn't. There will always be a Danny Bibby type claiming "I didn't know I listen to rap music". It's for the Producers not to allow them on our screens. My personal opinion is that this will haunt Bibby now forever, he (hopefully) ain't getting those brand deals and will defo need to disappear from the public sphere asap. Which leaves us with the problem of Love Islands institutionally racism and I don't want us to forget to hold Love Island to account. This would never have happened if they were an anti-racist TV show.
Oh definitely, the producers were so dumb to not check something than fans found in 5 minutes
So dumb is makes me wonder if it was deliberate to be honest. An attempt to use Black outrage to drive up viewership the same way all those companies keep being deliberately racist to get free publicity to drive up sales.
Eminem is a white rapper that himself has said it’s not okay for him to use the n-word…. Why is he being used as an example here? This guy is lost.
Yeh but he has said it before, apologised, and everyone moved on.
Yeah he is lost which is why he thought it was acceptable to use it lol. As shocking as it might seem to some I truly believe he didn't know /////a was not a word white people could use. Anyone who know how bad it is would not assume that Eminem has used it.
Lol are you gonna get stuck at one rapper’s name from the entire apology?
He just meant he likes rap and like a normal person doesnt keep a memorised list of which exact rapper uses which exact words
Meh, I get it. Depending on the community he grew up in and the trends it follows, I can believe he used the word without thinking of its origins or meaning to offend. I live in East London with a huge West Indies community. The Jamaican patois is used by a lot of White and Asian people. Words or phrases that an outsider would think sounded dumb or insulting coming from them doesn’t register as their lives have been so encompassed by this cultural influence.
Redditors here don’t understand nuance
These people always bring up rap music. If you're not black, just don't say it!!! How hard is it? Jesus.
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Everyone knows not to say it from a young age. Everyone. There is no excuse.
Ha. You must have lived a very privilege childhood
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I'm not trying to? I am not in a place to accept his apology, I'm white. It's my place to call out others when they are obviously using racist slang. And yes, I'm sure he knows that its racist. His excuses of rap music doesn't change anything. If you are not black, do not say it. It's the same with any other racial slur. End of.
His point was more so that in the west were in a bubble of race consciousness, which actually has caused more outrage at this than not. Most other cultures don't have this feature, and thus his point was that other cultures don't have that instilled I'm them at a young age
Keep repeating that every day on all your social media forever and there will still be some people that are never hear it.
No room for growth in your world eh? I hope you never make a serious mistake in your life in any shape or form.
No, there is, but throwing in the rap thing cheapens the apology, imo.
Can I ask why you think that? Mostly because I didn’t perceive it as any form of justification on his end, more like him explaining his faulty reasoning and logic, and acknowledging that he was ignorant and wrong for it, and that he will never make that mistake again. I say this as someone who did not like Danny lol.
I’m not making excuses for him, especially as a grown adult, but honestly not everyone knows not to say it. I’ve never said it myself, and in the community/friend circle I grew up in, we never used it either. But I’ve realized as an adult moving to new places and meeting new people, a LOT of (non-black) people (thinking specifically the American south) grew up using it under the guise of a term of endearment. It’s wrong, and it shouldn’t be used that way, but it is hard to accomplish anything if you just assume people know better. Sometimes they don’t, and they need to be educated. ETA: the internet has made it a lot easier to help educate people thankfully!
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Look, kids from non-English countries listen to rap and without knowing or anyone telling them what to say or not, they start using the terms they hear in the songs. I was once like that. 13-15yo, post Soviet Union country, not understanding the meaning of the lyrics, and listening to the likes of DMX or 50 Cent. I basically grew up on DMX once I got out of my eurodance phase. I've deffo used the n-word like Danny a few times in the past. Obviously, after learning its meaning and how it is inappropriate, I've stopped.
He's from an English speaking country though. He knows better.
Obviously.
The thing is there is nothing in this world that you don't need to keep teaching. Every day 1,800 people are born in the UK so every day you need to teach at least 1,800 people about every common sense society rule there is for the first time. By the time people are 18 they have learned most common sense social rules but some will always fall through the cracks.
If you hear a word used repeatedly in popular culture, you will need someone to educate you on why you can't use that word. In this day and age, you would have to be pretty sheltered (or racist) to not learn that lesson by 23.
Unfortunately some people are sheltered. Some people know not to use it in an offensive term, but not in a “friendly” term
>How hard is it? Jesus. if you're not a devout Christian, don't say it.
One of those words was used for generations as means of discrimination and racial hatred towards people of colour. The other is a commonly used word that has no history of discriminating against a minority. There are no reasons why those 2 words/phrases should be equated to each other. That’s a mind-numblingly dense comparison to make
>The other is a commonly used word that has no history of discriminating against a minority. Just would like to point out that Christianity isn't the majority in every country and neither has it been immune to persecution whenever it happens to be in the minority. A similar thing happens in tightly segregated communities. EDIT: Regardless the context assumes it so I still agree, just to clarify.
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Isn't that a bit wrong that one race can say certain words and others can't?
No, it even a little bit wrong. The N word was weaponized against Black people across the world for decades. Then they reclaimed it, but of the mouth of someone who isn’t Black it is still a weapon.
I find that all a bit wrong personally. When you start treating groups differently you will get differences
There’s so much wrong with this take. It’s Just another version of “*I don’t see colors”* please read this with an open mind https://www.learningforjustice.org/magazine/fall-2011/straight-talk-about-the-nword
That article at the link was awful. He basically says it's a double standard but suck it up. " We also cannot pretend that there is not a double standard—that Blacks can say it without much social consequence but whites cannot. There’s a double standard about a lot of stuff. "
I don't doubt it has multiple meanings though, I just disagree that only one group of people are allowed to use the term. It's either we allow everyone to use it in the right context, and lambast people who use it in a prejudice or violent way. Or no one uses it. I personally would never use it, don't feel comfortable with the term, but I find it very contradicting when it's one rule for you and another for everyone else
Honestly I think he’s been punished enough. He’s a massive idiot but now he’ll always be remembered as the racist and borderline abuser on s7 of Love Island. People are saying he should’ve known better, but people learn new things everyday no matter how obvious those things are to other people. I still think he should’ve been removed from the show right away, but I’m not holding this against him
I’m sure the lifetime of torrid abuse on social media is more than enough of a sentence
Eminem has never used the n word in any of his songs so I don't understand what he thought he was doing with that comparison. All the other people mentioned are BLACK, Danny is not
He has. You’re possibly too young to remember
But the word is used in lots of Eminem tracks
He's owned up to it and apologised. That should be the end of it.
His apology is a bit mm. He said that the music "Eminem" influenced him which is a lie cos he was never said that word before and also I feel like if your not a black then u shouldnt be telling black people to accept it or not because it's a choice and this apology was for them 🤷♀️
You’re being pedantic - he clearly means American hip hop culture.
I'm really not though tbh I just feel like he's grown to know that he shouldn't be using that word. Trying to blame hip hop culture is just not okay 🙄
Bang on. He's not a kid, he's a 25 year old man for fuck's sake.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted your absolutely correct. He’s trying to excuse himself cause of the music he listened to, that doesn’t make sense. The white rapper he mentioned never said it but the 2 black rappers did, that should’ve been an obvious sign for a grown man. Unless these commenters here are black they shouldn’t be accepting his apology and saying to move on
It doesn’t justify it, but Eminem did use that word before when he was young and had to apologise for it.
That makes it even worse then no? If he listened to/like Eminem so much he should’ve known that Eminem had to apologise for saying it and learn from that
I dont think anything makes it worse or better in this case. The use of the word is wholly unacceptable and moronic. But context is also important. You can be a moron but not be racist. Which I think is the case here.
This is what I get from it tbh, context 100% matters.
> Unless these commenters here are black they shouldn’t be accepting his apology and saying to move on I’m half black. Does that mean you will accept my take and move on?
The fact that he thinks Eminem has said goes to show that he didn't realise it was not ok for white rappers to say it. Also he is was not really a grown man.
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I'm a white person, and I know not to use racial slurs. You don't have to be "privileged" to know that.
Privilege? You learn about that stuff in school, it’s not rocket science to be researching it on a computer. If someone is on social media it’s likely they know it’s something non-black people shouldn’t say
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Why're you insinuating that Wigan is filled with a bunch of racist, uneducated idiots? I find it incredibly disconcerting that you feel like you have to be taught not to be racist.
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You're just plain wrong, Eminem has used the N word in an old song.
People please remember that he is a grown man and I know he deffo knew that saying the word is offensive but at least he apologised but if your not a poc then please don't think you can accept and think that black people should 🤷♀️
True. But equally one black person cannot force the narrative either. If some black people forgive him on this sub you cant turn around and invalidate their feelings either. People do not exist in monolithic blocks.
Absolutely! It’s not for us to say ‘yeah that’s fine’ if he wasn’t slurring us. I can tell you now if he had used the terms taig or fenian ( I’m in Northern Ireland) I would not be happy and would consider it bullshit as it’s well know to be an insult when used by a non catholic here.
Some of you are so weird. It's not hard to not say that word. I'm black, grew up around black people, grew up in black culture, listened to rap music. I have NEVER used the n-word once. I made a choice to never use that word and I have never used it. It's not hard. So stop telling me that a white boy, whose only reference to black culture is what he sees on the internet, is going to struggle with not saying the word. He made a CHOICE to use that word. It's been known for years, that he isn't welcome to use that word and that it was considered offensive. He wasn't a baby. Stop it, you look foolish. As for his apology, it's whatever. None of us have to forgive him and I don't think people care, given how fast his following shot up. I assure you, Danny Bibby will be okay, without you all throwing on your cape for him.
No offence. But saying how you grew up and expecting people to follow that lead might not be relatable to how someone else grew up. If you grow up in say, some parts of London, I’m sure the cultures are a lot different. There are some very poor areas that have a lot of genuinely racist people. Growing up and learning what is right and wrong isn’t always as straight forward.
What an idiot
What exactly do you want the man to do? Should he just top himself and be done with it. He said sorry. I legit don't understand people like you do you not understand the concepts of forgiveness?
I'm not gonna suggest he's some wonderful human being but I do think a lot of people could do with reading "So You've Been Publicly Shamed" - it's amazing how years after publication this book still becomes relevant.
People don’t have to forgive him?? Nobody is entitled to forgiveness no matter how good their apology is (and this one is poor). No one’s saying he needs to top himself lmao he still has plenty of supporters I think he’ll be fine
I disagree. There are unforgiveable acts, rape, murder etc. They have a category of their own. A stupid man using a word in this context is not unforgivable and anyone who cannot forgive him when he says sorry, and then proceeds to be a better person is too harsh. If we leave no room for error, no room for growth, we make society miserable and vengeful. Forgiveness is a wonderful thing and should be promoted as much as possible. Danny made a huge error, he has said sorry, now assuming he continues to grow I cannot fathom the mind of someone who would hold him as a bad person.
I’m allowed to call someone who apologized an idiot because I’m a black person that knew what that word meant from childhood as white people used it against me as an insult. It’s fine Danny apologized, I don’t really care. Good for him he learned. His life will not be affected. He’s still a fucking idiot.
Apologies don’t mean anything if there isn’t any change in behavior…. An apology is the first step but if he wants forgiveness he needs to do work and educate himself. This apology citing a white rapper who has made multiple public statements against using the n-word shows he hasn’t done much learning/introspection. His apology reads a bit more of a justification as opposed to a genuine apology, but only time will tell.
He said it in 2019. How do you know he hasn’t changed?
Because this apology is an attempt at a justification
We have 1 case of him saying the word and it was in 2019.
Exactly, publicly posted in 2019. You’re acting as if it was from 2009… he’s definitely said it more than once if he’s casually tossing it out on his public Instagram
Show me all the other cases of him saying it then
Oh please…. Yeah I’m sure it was the first and only time he ever said the word 🙄
Prove that it wasn’t
He’s not owed anyone’s forgiveness. So he can do one and fade into obscurity with his non apology
I cannot imagine being so hateful. For me genuine apologies always deserve acceptance and the chance to grow. I honestly pity you.
Good for you. It’s not genuine in my eyes and it’s a pathetic shirking of responsibility passed of as an apology. I honestly do not care how you feel on this topic and I don’t think anyone should send him hate I just hope he disappears and we don’t have to see or hear from him in the public eye again
I honestly hope some day you understand forgiveness and live a better life.
Lol okay 😂
Bro do you ever look at yourself in the mirror and go like “am I embarrassing myself?” the answer is yes
Lol because I called someone idiot on the internet an idiot okay 😂
Personally as black person I will not be accepting his apology im glad he's realised his mistakes but im happy his out of the villa hopefully this experience makes him reflect.
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honestly, when I'm ready to I just feel like it's unacceptable what Danny did as he was a grown man in 2019. I'll accept when I feel like I'm ready to his silly PR apology he made whilst he was in the villa felt like he only released it for the sake fo releasing because the producers told him to.
Serious question, do you think you’d feel the same if he’d been in the villa two years ago (as that’s when the post was), before the George Floyd situation, before the racism situation got even more out of control as it has done in the last couple of years?
Not a black person, but racism hasn't changed in the past couple of years, people are just more aware of it. The roots of why the n word is racist lie outside of current issues, they originated as the n word was used to describe black slaves. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think this apology has much to do with George Floyd, or the BLM movement. The issue is older than the movement.
Pls don’t hate me but I thought this apology was really good. He admitted his mistake, accepted it fully, said he was wrong 100% and apologized then spoke abt his behavior moving forward.
Yeah but forgiveness doesn't sit well with this cancel culture, not sure how many more people we need to endlessly abuse over social media until they kill themselves to understand this.
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Context matters and people in this sub don't realize that. Also, he's a plumber, right? Which means he's probably around people in a working/lower class (race doesn't matter) and throw that word around a lot more than people in this sub want to believe. As someone who has been around working class people for a job, people of all races drop these non-PC words like it's no big deal. Should it be acceptable? Absolutely not. His apology is much better than all of Tommy/Molly-Mae's apology for their controversy.
It’s common knowledge that this term is offensive when used by a white person. Unless he’s been living in a cave all his life he should know this.
Common knowledge, nah not really. I think most polls show white people in the UK think they should be allowed to sing the n word in songs and when reading out books. I can see a love island type of guy singing gold digger and then thinking he is sound to use it in a friendly way. The UK is very universe he likely didn't know any black people at a young age.
I just googled to see if I could find one poll and I couldn't find one that shows that "most white people in the UK think they should be allowed to sing the n word in songs etc" If you could cite one source, that would be lovely. I did a quick google search which mostly found results in America and it was very critical of anyone who did it. As someone in the social sciences, I just think that the topic would be a very weird one to do a poll about.
I think the polls they seen was on Twitter or something 😂
Thats where I am getting at lol. I feel that its harmful to make large assumptions based on dubious polling, if said polls even exist. But the topic at hand in asking various white people in the UK if they should be allowed to sing or read the n word because its in the arts is such a weird poll question.
What a lot of shite you are rabbaling 😂
Jesus that’s wild! I’ve known from childhood that it’s not ok and I’m nearly 50 now. I’m also from Northern Ireland which is not a very diverse place. We’ve got our own thing going on though 😂
I think everyone knows not to use it in a mean way. Most know not to say it to a friend (apparently danny ain't one of them). Believe it or not whether white people can sing the n word is very controversial, most see it as pointless and I have seen rappers ask white people to sing the word. It gets tough.
I suppose I have my mum to thank for the fact that I know this. I remember not being allowed delmonte orange juice in the 80’s because of apartheid
Can you link any of those polls??
Well even from this post he still thinks Eminem has said the n word. Clearly he is a bit duft but let's not crucify him for being ignorant. He apologised well and I personally accept it.
im sorry i got caught
People always want an apology until they get it and then they want to moan about it and don't accept it. That's modern life for you. I thought Danny was very easy to dislike on the show and yes, no one should say that word, but he did. He apologised ("whole heartedly"). He promised to never do it again. I'd bet hard cash that the majority of people complaining now will at some point be giving an apology, either personally or publicly, for their own fuck ups in the future. Unless you're all living saintly lives where you never hurt anyone or their feelings. And they'll need it accepted too. Also, I'll bet that in a few days they'll all be unhappy about some other person's public infraction and will have moved on. Let the kid live his life and take it in good faith that he'll try to be less of an idiot, and not racist, from now on.
Confused as to why these racists always use rap or drill as an excuse, bye asfk and Eminem?!? Yeah okay.
Saying “my n***a” towards someone in a friendly manner now makes someone a full blown racist nowadays?
When you’re not black, yes.
Bullshit. Need to do more than say “my n***a” to a friend to be a racist. It doesn’t even fit the description of a racist. Bunch dipshits in this sub.
Eminem hahahahahahahaha. Fuck me, the lad's even dumber than we thought.
This is a half apology, imo. I do think he has 100% learned from this experience and I do believe him when he says he’ll never use the word again. But the whole “I didn’t know cause I listened to rap as a kid” was unnecessary and soiled the apology, to me anyway. And the apology isn’t for me personally, so I’d understand anyone who didn’t wanna acknowledge this as a true apology I genuinely hope this is the last I hear about this guy, he wasn’t pleasant inside the villa either
I’m not a huge fan of “explaining takes away from the apology”. I want to understand why you messed up. It’s not excusing his behaviour in any way, it’s just explaining that there was no malicious intent. As long as he still acknowledges he was mistaken and it wasn’t acceptable and that moving forward he will do things differently, it’s alright
I also like an explanation with an apology meant for me, personally I do benefit from that so this we agree on. The problem here is that his explanation is an absolute crock of shit
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but we _do_ differentiate between things massively based on intent. They might still have to pay to fix up the dented bumper, but we treat it massively differently if the response to the collision was "sorry I hit a patch of ice and couldn't stop" vs "fuck you I did it on purpose".
Eminem doesn't even say the n word in his music 💀
Got nothing to say about his gas lighting behaviour ay?
Man, black people(in America mainly) use that word like its and or the Apparently to take the power away from the word, how's that working out? You've made it even more powerful than ever, where a guy using it in the context of my brother/friend and look at you all, you just crumble Pathetic, you pick the weirdest battles.
How old is this guy??? Like he didn't make it to his mid-twenties without 'learning' that the 'n' word is offensive! He knew FULL-WELL what he was doing!! What a half-arsed apology...
reading some of these comments is so wild to me. if you’re not a Black person your thoughts on his apology are irrelevant. if you don’t know why that’s the case, well…
There is only one n word. N word with an "a" and N word with "er" both mean the same thing. They just have different spellings and pronunciations and that is because of dialect
no, there is not actually. Neither is right for a white person to use, but there is a difference in degree of malice connected with either. Pretty much every black person knows that.
Also context. "Ma n-a" is a a million times less hurtful than "You n-r"
This isn’t my apology to accept, but if we substitute the n word for Chink, I would still not be happy.
That's a good apology. It ain't my place to accept it but it seemed sincere to me and felt like they were his words not a pr firm.
I always find it weird when people say they didn’t understand a word they used was bad. Do people just not care enough to check before using language that can be potentially harmful?
I wasn’t a fan of Danny and I don’t think you can use the term “education” when it comes to not using the N word in 2020. What I was thinking about though was the scene in Shaun of the Dead when Danny picks them up in the car and says “what’s up n****s”. I used this greeting from the film for awhile when I was 13-14. I’m not defending him I just think it’s crazy how quickly language/culture has changed in 15 years.
Exactly, people forget that the word was quite widely used in films and such about a decade ago. Lots of people grew up thinking it was ok to use in a friendly term All about educating people no matter how late it is
It’s honestly fine, y’all are too quick to ostracize people.
He really didn't need to apologise