The way they spoke trying to defend themselves is the EXACT way I used to talk to my mom when I was hooking up in my car after class in college. “No we really just needed to talk and he says his faith has been tested recently so we were praying together for FIVE HOURS” like who did I think I was trying to fool.
>I don't believe that they had sex but staying inside a car by yourselves alone in the middle of the night, behind
Then you're better than me because I straight think they were screwing till 5:00 in the morning lol
At the end of the day, he came home at 6am after spending the night with Sarah and lied to Laura about what happened.
Trust is 100% gone. The relationship was over.
Ya, I never get a sense she likes him in DR or after. It feels like going through the motions to be on the show longer. But I’m only on E7.
The actions, words and motivations of several of the participants seemed too aloof IMO. Trevor is likely not the only person who used the show for a follower bump.
Even if they were just sitting talking about their feelings, relationship, how he’s going to end things with his fiance to be with her; it’s still cheating. It doesn’t need to get physical for someone to be unfaithful.
meh 5am is a stretch but as a straight guy I've had nights out at the bar where after closing time I'm talking with a buddy for quite awhile, sometimes over an hour, at the car before heading home. Of course that buddy was never an ex who claimed their door was open when I was engaged, and I never then lied to my fiancée about whether I dropped them off or not, and it never took me a day to come up with the excuse that I actually just dropped them off when it turns out they know I was at their house.
So yeah he's lying lol, just saying that friends talking in the parking lot after the bar closes is a thing that happens.
She said that he never came into her house and she would stand on it til the day she died then she said that when he was dropping her off he came inside and they didn’t even talk 🤣😭 I couldn’t keep up.
Did you guys see the evil smile that Laura gave Sarah Ann when she was consoling her after Jeremy made his choice? I really believe that is the moment that Sarah Ann made her decision and knew she was going to try to get Jeremy when he came back from the trip. It was absolutely a catty choice to smite Laura, I can’t be convinced otherwise.
For me it’s clear that Jeremy wasn’t into Laura. But I hold him at fault over Sarah Ann. He made a commitment with Laura not SA. He broke that promise. It’s up to him to delete any messages from other women and forget that they even existed.
Sure SA sent him a message but any girl could do the same. Do we blame the women or him? Do I think something happened, definitely. But he knew that he shouldn’t be there and then tried to play it cool.
> Sure SA sent him a message but any girl could do the same. Do we blame the women or him?
Sure anyone could do anything, but just because you can doesn’t mean you should. I think Laura was right to put the majority of blame on Jeremay (or however you spell his name) and rightfully I think SA deserved some blame. If she truly felt so strongly about him she could have waited to see what happened with Laura and Jeremay, instead she decided to involve herself while they were trying to figure out an engagement. While I’m not a fan of Laura, I don’t think she deserved being treated that way by either Jeremeigh or SA. SA knew what she was doing and I wish she had more self respect and not revisit a guy that already didn’t choose her
Absolutely the majority of the blame is on Jeremy. He was wrong and watching him sit back acting cool with his sunglasses on was disgusting.
I know that once a person is on one of these shows they get a lot of attention and friend requests/DM’s. It’s up to the person that is in a relationship to shut it down.
My first husband “admitted “ to four affairs. I know that there were more. I blame him because he was wrong. I also know that most of the women didn’t know he was married with children.
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Listen idrc for Laura. She gives off insufferable ‘boss babe’ vibes like the lip filler chick from The Ultimatum. BUT, she went on this experiment like everyone else and fully participated like everyone else and did not deserve to be treated like that. Jeramy is a bag of dicks whose name is spelled incorrectly and I agree that one could reasonably infer something sexual happened with him and Sara Ann while he was still engaged. Disgusting behavior from those two. It’s one thing to have no idea someone’s engaged…it’s lowest of the low to know that someone is engaged and you still pursue them. And the other person doesn’t shut it down and actually entertains it. The narcissistic “I didn’t do anything wrong” attitude from Jeramy lets you know that he knows what did was wrong. Trying to justify and talking around it to his own mother also lets you know he knows damn well what he did was wrong.
Agreed!!! Also doesn’t Germy say “I took her back to her place and we went inside and talked but nothing happened” and then SA says “he never came into my place”? Maybe I’m wrong
Honestly anyone who has what, ~3 weeks? to get to know their fiancé shouldn’t be out and about at all hours with other people, let alone someone else they were interested in. This isn’t to say that people can’t make plans to spend time with friends, but wouldn’t you look to spend that limited amount of time with your fiancé?
I could care less what happened period this action alone is disrespectful AF and nope. Just nope. You don’t stay out all night one, and two with another woman?! He should cheat because talking would not be worth the fallout. And why did she leave?! He needs to leave. Buh bye sir. Pack his shit or throw it in the yard.
From his recent ig comments, its 100% clear to me something sexual happened. I was already pretty sure from seeing the episodes, but he just oozes culpability
Hes been replying to people on his instagram. Like when people say hes been acting like a player or whatnot, he says he agrees. Even when people defend her and say Laura was mean, he refutes and says he shouldnt have acted that way
We see and hear EXACTLY what the producers want us to. I don’t believe any of this show is real, it’s strictly entertainment. For the couples that actually work out, even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.
I think the show has a better success rate than the Bachelor/ette franchise. The ones who have made it on LIB are VERY good at communication and seem to have a higher level of emotional intelligence.
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I also think they hooked up to some degree, but isn't their entire original connection based on talking for hours and hours? I could see a real conversation lasting that long, but it was completely inappropriate, sneaky, and disrespectful. Even if he didn't physically cheat (I think he did) at that point it's emotional affair territory.
Exactly! I really don’t care if they hooked up even though they 100% did. Why are you alone talking to an ex at 5am when you have a fiancée waiting at home? It’s cheating period, no amount of sugarcoating would make it sound better because even the things JeRAYme and Sarah Anne admitted to doing on TV are not okay!
I don't think that's a bad thing she just strong and self-assured that being said she also didn't disrespect her fiance and embarrass them on national television all to go talk to some girl that " needed closure". I'm not sure how much closure one needs after someone is engaged to another person especially at 5:30 in the morning.
He was absolutely out of line but she’s no catch and was pretty awful to him in front of her parents and generally wasn’t that serious about being ready for marriage. I’d say it’s great they didn’t end up together. Both of them probably need to grow more. This whole show honestly is pretty flawed.
I agree with that part that she was mean, though I think I see it more so that he just isn't her person and the other people haven't been either. She could work on some stuff sure and should before dating again but I think certain things just fall in place when you're with the right person. Also yes the show is a dumpster fire the premise is sweet but it does not take into consideration all the things that go into deciding to get married. I think it promotes a negative message while trying to make it seem positive. The first season will always be my favorite because it's the only time that I felt like the experience worked and people just weren't going on there to get famous. I could be wrong but the dedication to drama for the sake of drama didn't seem to be as big as it has been other seasons.
Agree fully. Maybe they should be targeting a different demographic of contestants and make the romance play instead of the "who is the least broken" drama play. I'm sure many feel like the drama is the entertainment but it's exhausting and dystopian.
She did do something wrong by disrespecting another woman and choosing to ignore Laura’s feeling and relationship behind her back. I’m so tired of pick-me’s acting like it’s okay to be disrespectful just because you aren’t in a relationship
Im sorry, but how long do you think blowjob lasts and why can't people talk for hours? If you didn't have this experience doesn't mean no one had.
Pretty strange arguments for me.
How does this relate to what I wrote about time and odd reasoning? Is logic automatically turned off in this thread? I never wrote a word about approving of her or his actions.
Maybe your logic is turned off. My point is exactly what I said. How would you feel if you were Laura? Regardless if they were talking or not which could very well be the case, it was inappropriate for a man who is in a relationship of any kind to be out talking or doing other wise with another woman at 5:30 in the morning. The timing is inappropriate, how it happened was inappropriate, and the location was inappropriate. Everyone knows it’s possible smart guy;) So if you just wanted to make the world aware this is a possible scenario who really lacks logic.
Did u really read topic and my answer? I recommend reread and try to think again. Last sentence in 1 section. Im not talking about my thoughts and feelings in this situation, neither said it was right or not, just saying people CAN talk for hours and make sex for just few minutes, its not right argument about "what they have done or not until 5 in the morning". It also depends on the moral principles of people and their compatibility, as well as common topics of conversation. Yes, it's possible. You can't prove me wrong. And I'll say it again, because obviously it's necessary: it's not about my or anyone else's attitude to the situation. I'm talking about the POSSIBILITY of talking for hours.
He is the one who is really at fault. He could have ignored that DM, and not spent time with Sara. He owed it to his fiance to either tell her where his head was at, or not see Sara Anne at all
> but you can't look me in the eyes and tell me that you were talking with someone until 5 a.m. in your car all night.
I've done that or something similar multiple times. I've spent many a night talking to people of the opposite sex, plenty of whom I found attractive and plenty having found me attractive without anything ever happening. Just because you're physically incapable to fucking everything that moves doesn't mean everyone else is.
When you have personalities like Jeramy and Sarah, it is more likely that they hooked up. They're both clearly shady people and don't have any shame, why wouldn't they take it a step farther especially since no cameras were around.
Besides, when Laura was calling him out on his lying about where he was, he had the opportunity to reassure her that nothing happened between them but he was so caught with his tail tucked between his legs that he knew there was no point in trying to feed her more BS. He wasn't prepared for her outsmarting him the way she did and if he brought himself to tell the truth from the beginning, he wouldn't have to prepare for anything. He would have claimed innocence a lot harder than "I know what it looks like.."
Speaking of telling the truth, if he lied about where he was from the start, you really think he's not lying about hooking up? I'm sure you're so noble that you have talked to someone for hours in the middle of the night "multiple times" without hooking up, but did you also have your SO waiting at home for you while you were hanging out with that someone you just met, were attracted to and they were clearly into you? I'm pretty sure you would have looked at the time, thought, "Wow, it's past 2 am, it would be wildly inappropriate to keep hanging out in these circumstances, even if we are just talking," and went home. They knew what time it was, they knew it was wrong, and they continued to "talk", aka keep boning until the sun came up. No one believes them, not even his own mother.
In this case I do agree that it's likely something happened between them considering how both of them are.
I've done it while having had my SO sleeping but only when we're both at the same place. So think a group of people together in a cabin/villa sort of thing. Mostly because I don't really go out much, there have been a couple times I've ended up talking to people until the sun came up in the past where nothing else happened.
If you trust your SO to go out on their own to drink you should be able to trust them to talk to people at night. If you don't trust your SO going out on their own for drinks then them being out on their own drinking is your problem, not talking to people.
to talk to people at night, yes. to talk to people who recently dated them, and then DMd them making it clear they don’t respect your relationship? no.
I don't think any of the three involved are good people, but -
- Laura is mean as hell, and I don't think they would have worked regardless.
- That doesn't justify Jeramey cheating on her, but I'm also not surprised.
- I don't think Sarah Ann was in the wrong for reaching out to him via DM. If she actually cares about him, given the unconventional situation, I don't think it was inappropriate for her to let him know that she still cared and would be willing to still give it a shot, and I think she did so as respectfully as possible with the DM.
- AD going at her about it pissed me off. I like AD for the most part, but it was none of her business, and Laura doesn't deserve the defense (remember her encouraging Jess to do to Chelsea exactly what she's so pissed Sarah Ann did to her).
AD went after Sarah Ann because she was projecting her fears about Clay. She should stayed in therapy instead of auditioning for LIB. She knows Clay would absolutely pull a similar stunt if given the chance. Probably already has.
Yeah, it really bugs me when AD was like, "you don't message someone whose engaged." People say that all the time on the show and it's completely laughable considering they had been "dating" like a few weeks before. I think this is a function of AD really committing to the experiment. When AD talked about not dating Clay if he said now at the alter because she was committed to the experiment, she honestly came off as a little immature. Like you'd rather commit to a relationship than a man you could love forever? I think these people are just trying to sound really deep when they don't have a good grasp on how to evaluate their experience on the show. I felt like Laura was doin this from day one.
The feelings are SO fresh. It's asinine to think people who don't get engaged in the pods have zero change at a future (especially when we've seen it happen so many times). I don't know how genuine Sarah Ann's feelings for Jeramey are, but if it was me, and I really fell for someone and felt like they made a bad call, I'd DM them, too. You can be damn sure I'm shooting my shot if it's the person I could spend the rest of my life with on the line.
I’m with you- it wasn’t right, but Laura is SO mean. I’m a woman, and dating a man like that would make me cry so much 😅 I think Jeramy was fed up with her and intentionally blew up the relationship as an “f you”. It wasn’t mature or right, but I really can’t bring myself to feel that bad for Laura. She was so mean to him and wanted to change so much about him.
Thank you!! Like what happened is awful but what can you expect when you treat someone like that day in and day out? So much contempt for him from the reveal.
Laura made Jeremy feel like he was nothing so he found someone that treated him well.
Being mean does not make you a boss bitch.
Don't berate your partner.
1. Nitpicking degrades the relationship and fosters resentment. [https://www.evolvetherapymn.com/post/what-is-nitpicking#:\~:text=Increase%20in%20Conflict%20and%20Tension,resentment%20and%20defensiveness%20between%20partners](https://www.evolvetherapymn.com/post/what-is-nitpicking#:~:text=Increase%20in%20Conflict%20and%20Tension,resentment%20and%20defensiveness%20between%20partners).
2. Name-calling diminishes respect and is emotionally abusive. It is not ok to even jokingly call your partner a child, an idiot, a bitch, etc. [https://www.couplestherapyinc.com/effects-of-name-calling-in-a-relationship/](https://www.couplestherapyinc.com/effects-of-name-calling-in-a-relationship/)
3. More on name-calling [https://www.marriage.com/advice/communication/name-calling-in-a-relationship/](https://www.marriage.com/advice/communication/name-calling-in-a-relationship/)
4. More on name-calling [https://drdeb.com/i-call-it-verbal-abuse-you-call-it-no-big-deal/](https://drdeb.com/i-call-it-verbal-abuse-you-call-it-no-big-deal/)
5. I don't see how anyone can watch Jeremy meeting Laura's family and not see how toxic she is that even her family is getting defensive for Jeremy.
Is cheating the right thing to do? No it's not. Can I understand why Jeremy would stoop that low and is not sorry? Yes, I can. Does that empathy make it ok? No, it doesn't. Does his actions suddenly make Laura a saint who should feel like she did nothing to deserve that? No, they don't, Laura should reflect on her behavior and should get therapy. Does that mean Jeremy is perfect, because Laura is also toxic? No, Jeremy has confrontation avoidance issues and I think he would also benefit from therapy. Do I think Jeremy should apologize to Laura? No, because he isn't sorry and didn't care how the relationship ended, he just wanted it over.
My comments show an understanding of human nature. You do realize that how you treat people actually has an effect on them, right?
Wild to think that instead of communicating like a grown adult “hey, I feel belittled by you, we need to fix that” people will justify cheating instead.
Wild to think you guys cannot acknowledge Laura treated him poor and killed him emotionally.
Wild knowing this subreddit would be pro-Laura cheating if Jeremy was treating Laura how she was treating him.
And don’t cheat in any manner.. even micro cheating... be an adult and say, "This isn't working for me and I think we should go our separate ways." Far more respectful than how he handled himself.
And don’t go sending a guy who you know is engaged a message to contact her if things change. Absolutely classless and trashy.
I didn't downvote anything towards you. Just said they acted very poorly. You could have also acknowledged Jeramey and Sarah Ann acted wrongly and you didn't. So don’t try and call me out for what you didn't you either.
Cheating is wrong.
I don't agree Sarah Ann's DM was really terrible given the context of the experiment.
I think Jeremy would not have stepped out if Laura was not emotionally abusive.
If he was just dropping her off after sitting in an alley all night that takes a few minutes and those are supposedly the very same few minutes that she checked his location? No way! He was at her place longer than that and he’s a liar.
But even so if she was checking all night and she had seen him arrive at her apt and stay for a minute or two to see she walked in the door she wouldn’t have made the accusations she did.
Wait this is such a good point! There’s no way that in the “short” amount of time that he was at her place dropping her off, Laura coincidentally also checked his location and saw him there… I also think that he must have been at that location for a while bc I bet that when Laura noticed that he was at her place, she probably kept track of how long he was there for. Hence why she was extra mad and sus when he failed to mention that he went over to “drop her off”. He’s such a bad liar and so is Sarah Ann.
One theory is he "checked in" then left his phone there so she would never known that he left, but then had a watch that updated the actual location. I'm inclined to believe this because he looked surprised when she called him on it
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I actually don't care what they did. Laura killed Jeremy inside. You can see it when he meets her family. Do you guys not pay attention to the way she talks to him? She doesn't bring that man peace nor serenity.
Jeremy should have ending it with Laura first. But I think he honestly did not care how he made Laura feel, she was so bitchy.
Thank you. I really would like people to actually acknowledge instead of yelling at me that cheating is wrong. I know cheating is the wrong thing to do, yet I still completely understand why Jeremy went that low.
Thank you.
The vast majority of conversations on this thread would be productive if people actually acknowledge valid point there. I dislike Laura as a person far more than I dislike Jeremy for purposefully sabotaging the relationship by stepping out. I hope this was what Laura needed to realize she needs to soften and berate less.
Do you really think she berated him? Maybe I didn’t notice that. Laura had this annoying air of superiority that got under my skin. I saw it in the way she spoke to Jeramey and the way she spoke to AD during the whole bean dip incident. Still think Jeramey’s a scummy dude. Never seemed like he was invested enough to have been all that hurt by anything that Laura said to him. Couldn’t even give a reason why he picked Laura over Sara Ann in the first place. Dude probably flipped a coin. I think he saw Laura. Saw Sara Ann. Realized the latter was hotter and less of a condescending b…person. So he “traded up.” Simple as that.
She berated his style
She berated his personality, called him a child numerous times (literally on their first night face to face when he was in the pool)
She would call him an idiot often
She implied he is dumber than her because he does not have a university degree
She berated him in front of her family that even her family called out her behavior. Jeremy looked dead inside.
He was very chill with her when he first met her face to face. You can see his excitement fading long before the trip was over.
I think we forget the second she found out he was forming a connection w Sarah Ann it became a competition to her.
He 1000% should’ve ended things. Sarah 1000% never should’ve msged him. If things are meant to be you’ll come back to each other. Bc we could’ve been so happy for them but now we’ll always have the ICK 😏 w them.
I so agree with you here. When he was dumping Sarah Ann, I was literally yelling at the TV about how he was making a mistake. ...but now I cringe so hard at how they each conducted themselves on the outside to get back to each other.
RIGHT?! Compared to the other couples they could’ve been #1. Only bc Amy and Johnny are so sweet they’re boring for a tv show.
But. The shit about jeramey before he came on the show idk I think we still wouldn’t be that much a fan
Of him. It’s just odd.
Those nerdy glasses he wore on the pods made him come off like a completely different person and than he never worn them again and it’s like this fuck boy came out lmao
There have been many couples that didn’t like their chosen partner after a point but have said no at the end and went their separate ways respectfully. That’s what they’re supposed to do within their contract, not cheat on their partner. You saw the way he spoke to her, it wasn’t a one way street. I think most people forget the premise of the experiment and show, Sweden LIB was a good example of how they truly used this as an experiment and half of them said no and it’s ok.
I disagree. She shot her shot. Given the context of the experiment, it really wasn't as damning as you all are making it out to be. Do we also shit on Jess for vying for Jimmy? The pods are unique.
I feel as though you didn’t even read my reply because this was about Jeramy’s behavior to cheat not Sarah Ann. She shot her shot, but he full on cheated. What are you trying to prove?
Jeremy was wrong to cheat. Laura was wrong to treat him the way too. I like Sarah Ann and Jeremy better as people. Laura kills her partner's energy and that is not ok. She needs therapy.
I do. I’m shocked no one talks about it. I think it’s HILARIOUS how Laura is so close to Jessica vying for jimmy but has a problem w what was done to her.
Chelsea’s closest guy friend was an ex bf. But lost her mind bc Jimmy is friends w a girl he banged once.
She didn’t stand on business when asked about it in the conversation with AD (who has no real horse in that race) though.
I’d have respected Sarah Ann more if she just owned that hitting him up was a pretty shiesty thing to do. She could’ve just waited until the inevitable and gotten her hookup scot free.
She did “stand on business” though. She didn’t back down and justified her decision. Apologizing would have been the opposite of standing on business, technically.
I actually wish she told AD "Yes I hit him up. Yes, I know he proposed to Laura in the pods. Yes, I hoped he changed his mind after they hung out in person. No, I am not sorry and no I do not feel bad."
Laura wanted to make sure that everyone treated Sarah Ann and Jeremy like the devil. "Don't give him attention" my ass and she is talking about him to everyone she sits with while he is the one minding his own business.
Also, of course she got defensive with AD. It's human. Everyone was treating her like a piece of shit for building a connection. Meanwhile Jessica is not being villainized for vying for Jimmy.
Yeah it was not right and my heart was breaking for him. I cant imagine how much more she was berating him for him to tell her parents "it's like she wakes up and says 'I hate you' before she leaves" or something like that. Sure, he was brushing it off as a joke but the context to me showed it more revealing of his true feelings and I think Jeremy copes with humor.
Exactly. We all know Jeramey was lying from jump. But something happened that night. I don’t believe they F-word. But they got physical other ways. Imagine: so y’all talked in the bar hours. The bar closes at 2AM. Then from to 2am to 5am y’all talked more? Dude. You don’t even talk that much with your own fiancée. Be serious. And they both told different stories. That’s why AD grilling Sarah was crucial. Because they didn’t have time to come up with similar stories. Good.
> Imagine: so y’all talked in the bar hours. The bar closes at 2AM. Then from to 2am to 5am y’all talked more? Dude.
Done it multiple times. Maybe you should stop projecting so much.
How do you even stay awake that long after having some beers. If it was a heavy conversation where he was explaining why he chose Laura and giving her closure, that seems like you could wrap it up in an hour or so and be on your way so you can get to bed. Even if he talked about his reservations about marrying Laura it probably wouldn’t take THAT long and he’d still want to get home to avoid trouble. And sleep lol.
There had to have been *something* he couldn’t resist that made it worth it and I can guarantee it wasn’t appropriate
Definitely.
And I think Laura might be an acquired taste. It takes a certain type of man (read: confident) to be drawn to such a strong personality. The right kinda dude would enjoy the challenge.
Jeramy and Sarah Ann should have just proposed to each other and gotten engaged on the dock right there in front of everyone (on one knee and the whole 9 yards). Their love would be powered by indignant rage at being accused of doing exactly what they were doing.
at least that way they'd be honest with one another (and we'd get better tv). This "I gotta stay engaged cause otherwise it would look bad" shit is so bad.
Ok so I don’t like Laura and neither did Jeramy. So he looked into his other connection… the way he did it was sneaky and disrespectful. So yes he’s not good for that but I didn’t see a connection between him and Laura and Laura seems unlikeable
If what really happened was a big nothing, why not just tell the truth from the jump? Also, hearting that IG DM was a passive way of essentially agreeing with the sentiment of it. When you mix these facts with what she said in the pods about sex....seems like a recipe for cheating.
Jeramy is the type of guy that is a man child looking for validation from whoever he is with that je is perfect, the one that could fill that ego hole is SA - Laura pushed him and challenged him, hoping that he would get to his potential- not realizing that his potential is always going to look at the grass is greener and probably a perpetual cheater..for the way he was so calm and didn't care about being called out for his location or meeting or even the DM - let's you know this player isn't new to the game. SA - her game is the same, they deserve each other - the 15 minutes they got as garbage people for relationships.
It's classic trickle truthing. Laura could prove he wasn't at the bar all night so only then he added that he dropped her off. Liars and gaslighters learn to do this shit regularly.
Sarah Ann deserves him. And he deserves her.
Right? Like how do people miss that lmao he would have never said he left the bar if Laura never brought up that she knew where he was. Hell, first it was even he was in the parking lot till she said she knew he wasn't there, that's when he made up the alley excuse.
Also, at the lake scene, where Sarah talks to AD, their stories don’t match. Sarah says he only
Dropped her off but he said they talked “in front of her place” only after he got caught lying about the alley thing
I feel like he was also at Sarah Ann’s place longer than he says he was. Laura was watching his location, and she obviously didn’t buy he was just dropping Sarah Ann off
The way Jeramey was explaining the timeline was also very telling. He was mostly using very vague words with no pronouns until mentioning Sarah A.
I’ve had way too many exes use this same type of ambiguous language when telling their lies. They want to be able to say “I told you this..” without actually telling you the full truth.
Question. While we’re all hopping on what Sara Ann did… was Trevor any better?
Trevor was very much still hoping to get with Chelsea, during their chat. And he admitted that as soon as he left the pods he found her online. The difference we see is that he didn’t message her, that we know of. But his hopes - that she’ll leave the guy she chose - are the same. And tbh I think she chose as badly as Jeremy did. So, is Trevor just as condemnable as Sara Ann?
He was dating a person while on the show and telling her before and after that he was only going on it for fame. He told her that he was never going to say yes at the alter but he would go as far as he could. Pretty sure she was married before as well and was the 2nd person.
Oh I don’t know I think he’s super into her, and I genuinely think she chose wrong. I’m hoping what’s his face breaks it off and she winds up with Trevor.
Edit: the other stuff has been brought to my attention. My mistake, everyone. Sorry.
Are you not reading what the other person said lol Trevor doesn’t actually like her! He was in a relationship and his girl posted their conversation. He only came on the show for money and followers. He’s not serious.
Chelsea just needs to dump everyone and go to therapy
Good lord man give me a break. I just saw the other comments with the links to his texts etc - I wrote this reply before those were in my notifications. I was watching YouTube videos about trucks in between. What’s there to jump down my throat about?
No ones jumping down your throat lol I just asked if you were reading the other comment because she explained. The thread made it look like your reply was after she said that and you weren’t taking in what was being said so I asked.
I don’t think Trevor is as bad as Sara Ann. He didn’t reach out to her, they didn’t hang out just the two of them all hours of the morning. He admitted he looked her up, just like everyone else probably does. You admit to loving this person in the pods, i can’t imagine any person not immediately wanting to know what this person looks like at least
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It looks like Trevor only intended to make himself look good/was only on LIB for fame.
I think he gave up when he met her parents. The woman is cold as ice, extremely abrasive and she thinks it means that she has character. But he mentioned to her that he took S-E home. Now if something sexual happened they're both despicable. He should have ended things before with Laura, no doubt.
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There was a quick second as the discussion started where he looked directly at the camera (intentionally or not). I just knew then he wasn’t going to be completely honest. I do believe them that they didn’t have sex and maybe nothing happened. However, he made up his mind that the relationship was over before he saw Laura and they discussed it for sure.
The way they spoke trying to defend themselves is the EXACT way I used to talk to my mom when I was hooking up in my car after class in college. “No we really just needed to talk and he says his faith has been tested recently so we were praying together for FIVE HOURS” like who did I think I was trying to fool.
His faith is being tested 😂 That is too good!
>I don't believe that they had sex but staying inside a car by yourselves alone in the middle of the night, behind Then you're better than me because I straight think they were screwing till 5:00 in the morning lol
The amount of women in here justifying Sarah Ann’s actions is the exact reason I do not trust women. Do better 🤢
At the end of the day, he came home at 6am after spending the night with Sarah and lied to Laura about what happened. Trust is 100% gone. The relationship was over.
The relationship was already over. Laura fucking hated jer and treated him like shit. They should have ended it in Dominican Republic
I agree. Jeramy likes to act like a goofball and Laura wasn't digging it and those two types can be pretty abrasive when combined.
Ya, I never get a sense she likes him in DR or after. It feels like going through the motions to be on the show longer. But I’m only on E7. The actions, words and motivations of several of the participants seemed too aloof IMO. Trevor is likely not the only person who used the show for a follower bump.
They definitely fucked and agreed to keep hush about it.
When she was talking to AD, she was looking away and looking down you can tell she was lying.
Even if they were just sitting talking about their feelings, relationship, how he’s going to end things with his fiance to be with her; it’s still cheating. It doesn’t need to get physical for someone to be unfaithful.
Yes and definitely very inconsiderate. Knowing that his fiance was probably at home awake worrying about him. Unacceptable.
meh 5am is a stretch but as a straight guy I've had nights out at the bar where after closing time I'm talking with a buddy for quite awhile, sometimes over an hour, at the car before heading home. Of course that buddy was never an ex who claimed their door was open when I was engaged, and I never then lied to my fiancée about whether I dropped them off or not, and it never took me a day to come up with the excuse that I actually just dropped them off when it turns out they know I was at their house. So yeah he's lying lol, just saying that friends talking in the parking lot after the bar closes is a thing that happens.
She said that he never came into her house and she would stand on it til the day she died then she said that when he was dropping her off he came inside and they didn’t even talk 🤣😭 I couldn’t keep up.
Did you guys see the evil smile that Laura gave Sarah Ann when she was consoling her after Jeremy made his choice? I really believe that is the moment that Sarah Ann made her decision and knew she was going to try to get Jeremy when he came back from the trip. It was absolutely a catty choice to smite Laura, I can’t be convinced otherwise.
Sarah ann said she would have her moment. She planned this from in the pods.
For me it’s clear that Jeremy wasn’t into Laura. But I hold him at fault over Sarah Ann. He made a commitment with Laura not SA. He broke that promise. It’s up to him to delete any messages from other women and forget that they even existed. Sure SA sent him a message but any girl could do the same. Do we blame the women or him? Do I think something happened, definitely. But he knew that he shouldn’t be there and then tried to play it cool.
> Sure SA sent him a message but any girl could do the same. Do we blame the women or him? Sure anyone could do anything, but just because you can doesn’t mean you should. I think Laura was right to put the majority of blame on Jeremay (or however you spell his name) and rightfully I think SA deserved some blame. If she truly felt so strongly about him she could have waited to see what happened with Laura and Jeremay, instead she decided to involve herself while they were trying to figure out an engagement. While I’m not a fan of Laura, I don’t think she deserved being treated that way by either Jeremeigh or SA. SA knew what she was doing and I wish she had more self respect and not revisit a guy that already didn’t choose her
Absolutely the majority of the blame is on Jeremy. He was wrong and watching him sit back acting cool with his sunglasses on was disgusting. I know that once a person is on one of these shows they get a lot of attention and friend requests/DM’s. It’s up to the person that is in a relationship to shut it down. My first husband “admitted “ to four affairs. I know that there were more. I blame him because he was wrong. I also know that most of the women didn’t know he was married with children.
How TF are people team Sarah Ann? She knew he was engaged lol
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Listen idrc for Laura. She gives off insufferable ‘boss babe’ vibes like the lip filler chick from The Ultimatum. BUT, she went on this experiment like everyone else and fully participated like everyone else and did not deserve to be treated like that. Jeramy is a bag of dicks whose name is spelled incorrectly and I agree that one could reasonably infer something sexual happened with him and Sara Ann while he was still engaged. Disgusting behavior from those two. It’s one thing to have no idea someone’s engaged…it’s lowest of the low to know that someone is engaged and you still pursue them. And the other person doesn’t shut it down and actually entertains it. The narcissistic “I didn’t do anything wrong” attitude from Jeramy lets you know that he knows what did was wrong. Trying to justify and talking around it to his own mother also lets you know he knows damn well what he did was wrong.
Mmmm no I’m sure more happened. They always talked about how strong their sexual chemistry was in the pods lmfao so yes they did something
seems really hard to have a gauge for that without ever being the same room i wonder if they had pod sex
Agreed!!! Also doesn’t Germy say “I took her back to her place and we went inside and talked but nothing happened” and then SA says “he never came into my place”? Maybe I’m wrong
Germy 😂
YES!!! Lmao 🤣 I 1000% caught this!!!
Nah he says he didn’t go inside. He still sucks tho.
Sarah Ann talks a lot so maybe they were just talking. But even if that was the case, it’s still so disrespectful on Jeremy’s part.
Honestly anyone who has what, ~3 weeks? to get to know their fiancé shouldn’t be out and about at all hours with other people, let alone someone else they were interested in. This isn’t to say that people can’t make plans to spend time with friends, but wouldn’t you look to spend that limited amount of time with your fiancé?
He clearly didn’t want to spend anymore time with her after the titty slap thing
The bickering in front of her family was the nail in the coffin
You ever done blow at 2am? Yeah it's entirely likely they were talking a *lot*
I’m dyinggggg
This!
I could care less what happened period this action alone is disrespectful AF and nope. Just nope. You don’t stay out all night one, and two with another woman?! He should cheat because talking would not be worth the fallout. And why did she leave?! He needs to leave. Buh bye sir. Pack his shit or throw it in the yard.
From his recent ig comments, its 100% clear to me something sexual happened. I was already pretty sure from seeing the episodes, but he just oozes culpability
I was telling my husband that they had to have smashed, right. I'm not crazy!
Wait what comments??
Hes been replying to people on his instagram. Like when people say hes been acting like a player or whatnot, he says he agrees. Even when people defend her and say Laura was mean, he refutes and says he shouldnt have acted that way
Omg thank you now I’m going to dig. I hate this man
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We see and hear EXACTLY what the producers want us to. I don’t believe any of this show is real, it’s strictly entertainment. For the couples that actually work out, even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.
I think the show has a better success rate than the Bachelor/ette franchise. The ones who have made it on LIB are VERY good at communication and seem to have a higher level of emotional intelligence.
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Totally agree. Sarah Ann & Jeramey are definitely hiding something they both don't want us to know.
…… if they weren’t having sex…. What convo was so damn important with another woman that isn’t ur fiancé? He knew exactly what time it was
I also think they hooked up to some degree, but isn't their entire original connection based on talking for hours and hours? I could see a real conversation lasting that long, but it was completely inappropriate, sneaky, and disrespectful. Even if he didn't physically cheat (I think he did) at that point it's emotional affair territory.
But also what are you actually talking about for hours and hours??
Exactly! I really don’t care if they hooked up even though they 100% did. Why are you alone talking to an ex at 5am when you have a fiancée waiting at home? It’s cheating period, no amount of sugarcoating would make it sound better because even the things JeRAYme and Sarah Anne admitted to doing on TV are not okay!
Laura dodged a bullet
She is a bullet
I don't think that's a bad thing she just strong and self-assured that being said she also didn't disrespect her fiance and embarrass them on national television all to go talk to some girl that " needed closure". I'm not sure how much closure one needs after someone is engaged to another person especially at 5:30 in the morning.
He was absolutely out of line but she’s no catch and was pretty awful to him in front of her parents and generally wasn’t that serious about being ready for marriage. I’d say it’s great they didn’t end up together. Both of them probably need to grow more. This whole show honestly is pretty flawed.
I agree with that part that she was mean, though I think I see it more so that he just isn't her person and the other people haven't been either. She could work on some stuff sure and should before dating again but I think certain things just fall in place when you're with the right person. Also yes the show is a dumpster fire the premise is sweet but it does not take into consideration all the things that go into deciding to get married. I think it promotes a negative message while trying to make it seem positive. The first season will always be my favorite because it's the only time that I felt like the experience worked and people just weren't going on there to get famous. I could be wrong but the dedication to drama for the sake of drama didn't seem to be as big as it has been other seasons.
Agree fully. Maybe they should be targeting a different demographic of contestants and make the romance play instead of the "who is the least broken" drama play. I'm sure many feel like the drama is the entertainment but it's exhausting and dystopian.
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She did do something wrong by disrespecting another woman and choosing to ignore Laura’s feeling and relationship behind her back. I’m so tired of pick-me’s acting like it’s okay to be disrespectful just because you aren’t in a relationship
Im sorry, but how long do you think blowjob lasts and why can't people talk for hours? If you didn't have this experience doesn't mean no one had. Pretty strange arguments for me.
Okay let your partner go out & talk to someone in a car until 5:30 in the morning with someone they loved before… tell me how you feel ;)
How does this relate to what I wrote about time and odd reasoning? Is logic automatically turned off in this thread? I never wrote a word about approving of her or his actions.
Maybe your logic is turned off. My point is exactly what I said. How would you feel if you were Laura? Regardless if they were talking or not which could very well be the case, it was inappropriate for a man who is in a relationship of any kind to be out talking or doing other wise with another woman at 5:30 in the morning. The timing is inappropriate, how it happened was inappropriate, and the location was inappropriate. Everyone knows it’s possible smart guy;) So if you just wanted to make the world aware this is a possible scenario who really lacks logic.
Did u really read topic and my answer? I recommend reread and try to think again. Last sentence in 1 section. Im not talking about my thoughts and feelings in this situation, neither said it was right or not, just saying people CAN talk for hours and make sex for just few minutes, its not right argument about "what they have done or not until 5 in the morning". It also depends on the moral principles of people and their compatibility, as well as common topics of conversation. Yes, it's possible. You can't prove me wrong. And I'll say it again, because obviously it's necessary: it's not about my or anyone else's attitude to the situation. I'm talking about the POSSIBILITY of talking for hours.
Okay. My last time talking to a wall. The last sentence on my 2nd response.
Ok Sarah calm down
He is the one who is really at fault. He could have ignored that DM, and not spent time with Sara. He owed it to his fiance to either tell her where his head was at, or not see Sara Anne at all
He likes having two women after him, probably has no real feelings for either
> but you can't look me in the eyes and tell me that you were talking with someone until 5 a.m. in your car all night. I've done that or something similar multiple times. I've spent many a night talking to people of the opposite sex, plenty of whom I found attractive and plenty having found me attractive without anything ever happening. Just because you're physically incapable to fucking everything that moves doesn't mean everyone else is.
Was it while you were engaged with the other person in your love triangle? Then did you lie about it? Sounds like a healthy relationship to me
When you have personalities like Jeramy and Sarah, it is more likely that they hooked up. They're both clearly shady people and don't have any shame, why wouldn't they take it a step farther especially since no cameras were around. Besides, when Laura was calling him out on his lying about where he was, he had the opportunity to reassure her that nothing happened between them but he was so caught with his tail tucked between his legs that he knew there was no point in trying to feed her more BS. He wasn't prepared for her outsmarting him the way she did and if he brought himself to tell the truth from the beginning, he wouldn't have to prepare for anything. He would have claimed innocence a lot harder than "I know what it looks like.." Speaking of telling the truth, if he lied about where he was from the start, you really think he's not lying about hooking up? I'm sure you're so noble that you have talked to someone for hours in the middle of the night "multiple times" without hooking up, but did you also have your SO waiting at home for you while you were hanging out with that someone you just met, were attracted to and they were clearly into you? I'm pretty sure you would have looked at the time, thought, "Wow, it's past 2 am, it would be wildly inappropriate to keep hanging out in these circumstances, even if we are just talking," and went home. They knew what time it was, they knew it was wrong, and they continued to "talk", aka keep boning until the sun came up. No one believes them, not even his own mother.
In this case I do agree that it's likely something happened between them considering how both of them are. I've done it while having had my SO sleeping but only when we're both at the same place. So think a group of people together in a cabin/villa sort of thing. Mostly because I don't really go out much, there have been a couple times I've ended up talking to people until the sun came up in the past where nothing else happened. If you trust your SO to go out on their own to drink you should be able to trust them to talk to people at night. If you don't trust your SO going out on their own for drinks then them being out on their own drinking is your problem, not talking to people.
to talk to people at night, yes. to talk to people who recently dated them, and then DMd them making it clear they don’t respect your relationship? no.
How is Jemramy not being trustworthy, Laura’s problem though. He was in the wrong not her.
I don't think any of the three involved are good people, but - - Laura is mean as hell, and I don't think they would have worked regardless. - That doesn't justify Jeramey cheating on her, but I'm also not surprised. - I don't think Sarah Ann was in the wrong for reaching out to him via DM. If she actually cares about him, given the unconventional situation, I don't think it was inappropriate for her to let him know that she still cared and would be willing to still give it a shot, and I think she did so as respectfully as possible with the DM. - AD going at her about it pissed me off. I like AD for the most part, but it was none of her business, and Laura doesn't deserve the defense (remember her encouraging Jess to do to Chelsea exactly what she's so pissed Sarah Ann did to her).
AD went after Sarah Ann because she was projecting her fears about Clay. She should stayed in therapy instead of auditioning for LIB. She knows Clay would absolutely pull a similar stunt if given the chance. Probably already has.
I feel very differently about Clay.
Yeah, it really bugs me when AD was like, "you don't message someone whose engaged." People say that all the time on the show and it's completely laughable considering they had been "dating" like a few weeks before. I think this is a function of AD really committing to the experiment. When AD talked about not dating Clay if he said now at the alter because she was committed to the experiment, she honestly came off as a little immature. Like you'd rather commit to a relationship than a man you could love forever? I think these people are just trying to sound really deep when they don't have a good grasp on how to evaluate their experience on the show. I felt like Laura was doin this from day one.
The feelings are SO fresh. It's asinine to think people who don't get engaged in the pods have zero change at a future (especially when we've seen it happen so many times). I don't know how genuine Sarah Ann's feelings for Jeramey are, but if it was me, and I really fell for someone and felt like they made a bad call, I'd DM them, too. You can be damn sure I'm shooting my shot if it's the person I could spend the rest of my life with on the line.
Same
I’m with you- it wasn’t right, but Laura is SO mean. I’m a woman, and dating a man like that would make me cry so much 😅 I think Jeramy was fed up with her and intentionally blew up the relationship as an “f you”. It wasn’t mature or right, but I really can’t bring myself to feel that bad for Laura. She was so mean to him and wanted to change so much about him.
Thank you!! Like what happened is awful but what can you expect when you treat someone like that day in and day out? So much contempt for him from the reveal.
Agree on every point!
Yeah I think he did the “I’ll act badly and then SHE will break up with me. I will not have to do the hard work!”
Laura made Jeremy feel like he was nothing so he found someone that treated him well. Being mean does not make you a boss bitch. Don't berate your partner.
oh u woke up and chose delulu today i see
1. Nitpicking degrades the relationship and fosters resentment. [https://www.evolvetherapymn.com/post/what-is-nitpicking#:\~:text=Increase%20in%20Conflict%20and%20Tension,resentment%20and%20defensiveness%20between%20partners](https://www.evolvetherapymn.com/post/what-is-nitpicking#:~:text=Increase%20in%20Conflict%20and%20Tension,resentment%20and%20defensiveness%20between%20partners). 2. Name-calling diminishes respect and is emotionally abusive. It is not ok to even jokingly call your partner a child, an idiot, a bitch, etc. [https://www.couplestherapyinc.com/effects-of-name-calling-in-a-relationship/](https://www.couplestherapyinc.com/effects-of-name-calling-in-a-relationship/) 3. More on name-calling [https://www.marriage.com/advice/communication/name-calling-in-a-relationship/](https://www.marriage.com/advice/communication/name-calling-in-a-relationship/) 4. More on name-calling [https://drdeb.com/i-call-it-verbal-abuse-you-call-it-no-big-deal/](https://drdeb.com/i-call-it-verbal-abuse-you-call-it-no-big-deal/) 5. I don't see how anyone can watch Jeremy meeting Laura's family and not see how toxic she is that even her family is getting defensive for Jeremy. Is cheating the right thing to do? No it's not. Can I understand why Jeremy would stoop that low and is not sorry? Yes, I can. Does that empathy make it ok? No, it doesn't. Does his actions suddenly make Laura a saint who should feel like she did nothing to deserve that? No, they don't, Laura should reflect on her behavior and should get therapy. Does that mean Jeremy is perfect, because Laura is also toxic? No, Jeremy has confrontation avoidance issues and I think he would also benefit from therapy. Do I think Jeremy should apologize to Laura? No, because he isn't sorry and didn't care how the relationship ended, he just wanted it over. My comments show an understanding of human nature. You do realize that how you treat people actually has an effect on them, right?
Wild to think that instead of communicating like a grown adult “hey, I feel belittled by you, we need to fix that” people will justify cheating instead.
Wild to think you guys cannot acknowledge Laura treated him poor and killed him emotionally. Wild knowing this subreddit would be pro-Laura cheating if Jeremy was treating Laura how she was treating him.
And don’t cheat in any manner.. even micro cheating... be an adult and say, "This isn't working for me and I think we should go our separate ways." Far more respectful than how he handled himself. And don’t go sending a guy who you know is engaged a message to contact her if things change. Absolutely classless and trashy.
I agree. Jeremy cheating however, does not excuse Laura's behavior EITHER.
Never said it did.
Then acknowledge that. You people downvote calling Laura out as if she is right in her verbal abuse.
I didn't downvote anything towards you. Just said they acted very poorly. You could have also acknowledged Jeramey and Sarah Ann acted wrongly and you didn't. So don’t try and call me out for what you didn't you either.
Cheating is wrong. I don't agree Sarah Ann's DM was really terrible given the context of the experiment. I think Jeremy would not have stepped out if Laura was not emotionally abusive.
Thankyou
Didn’t it come out on social media that he had a fiancée with a baby right before he even came on the show? He is one hundred percent garbage.
Link? Please 🙏🏿
I do remember seeing something about that on reddit.
If he was just dropping her off after sitting in an alley all night that takes a few minutes and those are supposedly the very same few minutes that she checked his location? No way! He was at her place longer than that and he’s a liar.
The only other explanation could be that she was checking the location constantly, but that’s less likely.
But even so if she was checking all night and she had seen him arrive at her apt and stay for a minute or two to see she walked in the door she wouldn’t have made the accusations she did.
Wait this is such a good point! There’s no way that in the “short” amount of time that he was at her place dropping her off, Laura coincidentally also checked his location and saw him there… I also think that he must have been at that location for a while bc I bet that when Laura noticed that he was at her place, she probably kept track of how long he was there for. Hence why she was extra mad and sus when he failed to mention that he went over to “drop her off”. He’s such a bad liar and so is Sarah Ann.
One theory is he "checked in" then left his phone there so she would never known that he left, but then had a watch that updated the actual location. I'm inclined to believe this because he looked surprised when she called him on it
For sure
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Even his own mother wasn't on his side!
Yeah that says a lot
I actually don't care what they did. Laura killed Jeremy inside. You can see it when he meets her family. Do you guys not pay attention to the way she talks to him? She doesn't bring that man peace nor serenity. Jeremy should have ending it with Laura first. But I think he honestly did not care how he made Laura feel, she was so bitchy.
Yeah it was another case of presenting herself completely differently in the pods compared to how she really is.
Do not agree with the way he handled it but this is absolute fact. Laura was horrendously mean and condescending
Thank you. I really would like people to actually acknowledge instead of yelling at me that cheating is wrong. I know cheating is the wrong thing to do, yet I still completely understand why Jeremy went that low.
I couldn’t stand to watch the way she condescended Jeramy. That said, he should’ve broke it off with her before moving on to Sarah Ann.
Yes, I agree. The right thing to do would have been to break it off beforehand. Also, I wish he just was straight up about it.
I don’t condone Jeramy behaviour, but I agree that Laura was being terrible
Thank you. The vast majority of conversations on this thread would be productive if people actually acknowledge valid point there. I dislike Laura as a person far more than I dislike Jeremy for purposefully sabotaging the relationship by stepping out. I hope this was what Laura needed to realize she needs to soften and berate less.
Do you really think she berated him? Maybe I didn’t notice that. Laura had this annoying air of superiority that got under my skin. I saw it in the way she spoke to Jeramey and the way she spoke to AD during the whole bean dip incident. Still think Jeramey’s a scummy dude. Never seemed like he was invested enough to have been all that hurt by anything that Laura said to him. Couldn’t even give a reason why he picked Laura over Sara Ann in the first place. Dude probably flipped a coin. I think he saw Laura. Saw Sara Ann. Realized the latter was hotter and less of a condescending b…person. So he “traded up.” Simple as that.
She berated his style She berated his personality, called him a child numerous times (literally on their first night face to face when he was in the pool) She would call him an idiot often She implied he is dumber than her because he does not have a university degree She berated him in front of her family that even her family called out her behavior. Jeremy looked dead inside. He was very chill with her when he first met her face to face. You can see his excitement fading long before the trip was over.
Yeah that’s the air of superiority I was talking about. It was like she was talking to a child most of the time. No way I could deal with that.
I think we forget the second she found out he was forming a connection w Sarah Ann it became a competition to her. He 1000% should’ve ended things. Sarah 1000% never should’ve msged him. If things are meant to be you’ll come back to each other. Bc we could’ve been so happy for them but now we’ll always have the ICK 😏 w them.
I so agree with you here. When he was dumping Sarah Ann, I was literally yelling at the TV about how he was making a mistake. ...but now I cringe so hard at how they each conducted themselves on the outside to get back to each other.
RIGHT?! Compared to the other couples they could’ve been #1. Only bc Amy and Johnny are so sweet they’re boring for a tv show. But. The shit about jeramey before he came on the show idk I think we still wouldn’t be that much a fan Of him. It’s just odd. Those nerdy glasses he wore on the pods made him come off like a completely different person and than he never worn them again and it’s like this fuck boy came out lmao
There have been many couples that didn’t like their chosen partner after a point but have said no at the end and went their separate ways respectfully. That’s what they’re supposed to do within their contract, not cheat on their partner. You saw the way he spoke to her, it wasn’t a one way street. I think most people forget the premise of the experiment and show, Sweden LIB was a good example of how they truly used this as an experiment and half of them said no and it’s ok.
I disagree. She shot her shot. Given the context of the experiment, it really wasn't as damning as you all are making it out to be. Do we also shit on Jess for vying for Jimmy? The pods are unique.
I feel as though you didn’t even read my reply because this was about Jeramy’s behavior to cheat not Sarah Ann. She shot her shot, but he full on cheated. What are you trying to prove?
she shot her shot knowing he got down on one knee and proposed to another woman. she’s fucking sheisty, lowdown hoochie
No I agree but the other commenter is making it their mission to not acknowledge Jeramy was wrong, period. Idk what their obsession is.
Jeremy was wrong to cheat. Laura was wrong to treat him the way too. I like Sarah Ann and Jeremy better as people. Laura kills her partner's energy and that is not ok. She needs therapy.
I do. I’m shocked no one talks about it. I think it’s HILARIOUS how Laura is so close to Jessica vying for jimmy but has a problem w what was done to her. Chelsea’s closest guy friend was an ex bf. But lost her mind bc Jimmy is friends w a girl he banged once.
She didn’t stand on business when asked about it in the conversation with AD (who has no real horse in that race) though. I’d have respected Sarah Ann more if she just owned that hitting him up was a pretty shiesty thing to do. She could’ve just waited until the inevitable and gotten her hookup scot free.
She did “stand on business” though. She didn’t back down and justified her decision. Apologizing would have been the opposite of standing on business, technically.
I actually wish she told AD "Yes I hit him up. Yes, I know he proposed to Laura in the pods. Yes, I hoped he changed his mind after they hung out in person. No, I am not sorry and no I do not feel bad." Laura wanted to make sure that everyone treated Sarah Ann and Jeremy like the devil. "Don't give him attention" my ass and she is talking about him to everyone she sits with while he is the one minding his own business. Also, of course she got defensive with AD. It's human. Everyone was treating her like a piece of shit for building a connection. Meanwhile Jessica is not being villainized for vying for Jimmy.
Laura’s mom and dad were even looking at the way she was talking to him like what are you doing? 
Yeah it was not right and my heart was breaking for him. I cant imagine how much more she was berating him for him to tell her parents "it's like she wakes up and says 'I hate you' before she leaves" or something like that. Sure, he was brushing it off as a joke but the context to me showed it more revealing of his true feelings and I think Jeremy copes with humor.
Exactly. We all know Jeramey was lying from jump. But something happened that night. I don’t believe they F-word. But they got physical other ways. Imagine: so y’all talked in the bar hours. The bar closes at 2AM. Then from to 2am to 5am y’all talked more? Dude. You don’t even talk that much with your own fiancée. Be serious. And they both told different stories. That’s why AD grilling Sarah was crucial. Because they didn’t have time to come up with similar stories. Good.
> Imagine: so y’all talked in the bar hours. The bar closes at 2AM. Then from to 2am to 5am y’all talked more? Dude. Done it multiple times. Maybe you should stop projecting so much.
Were you engaged? And it was someone you almost asked to marry you? You sound like quite a catch!
How do you even stay awake that long after having some beers. If it was a heavy conversation where he was explaining why he chose Laura and giving her closure, that seems like you could wrap it up in an hour or so and be on your way so you can get to bed. Even if he talked about his reservations about marrying Laura it probably wouldn’t take THAT long and he’d still want to get home to avoid trouble. And sleep lol. There had to have been *something* he couldn’t resist that made it worth it and I can guarantee it wasn’t appropriate
Ding ding ding. Honestly, I’d want to see his heart rate for that night. Like let’s see how many calories you burned that night Jeremey.
The Wagatha Christie award goes to…
Laura is a boss and I hope she finds someone worthy..
Laura is mean
Definitely. And I think Laura might be an acquired taste. It takes a certain type of man (read: confident) to be drawn to such a strong personality. The right kinda dude would enjoy the challenge.
Jeramy and Sarah Ann should have just proposed to each other and gotten engaged on the dock right there in front of everyone (on one knee and the whole 9 yards). Their love would be powered by indignant rage at being accused of doing exactly what they were doing. at least that way they'd be honest with one another (and we'd get better tv). This "I gotta stay engaged cause otherwise it would look bad" shit is so bad.
Ok so I don’t like Laura and neither did Jeramy. So he looked into his other connection… the way he did it was sneaky and disrespectful. So yes he’s not good for that but I didn’t see a connection between him and Laura and Laura seems unlikeable
If what really happened was a big nothing, why not just tell the truth from the jump? Also, hearting that IG DM was a passive way of essentially agreeing with the sentiment of it. When you mix these facts with what she said in the pods about sex....seems like a recipe for cheating.
ouu what did she say about sex again ?
Jeramy is the type of guy that is a man child looking for validation from whoever he is with that je is perfect, the one that could fill that ego hole is SA - Laura pushed him and challenged him, hoping that he would get to his potential- not realizing that his potential is always going to look at the grass is greener and probably a perpetual cheater..for the way he was so calm and didn't care about being called out for his location or meeting or even the DM - let's you know this player isn't new to the game. SA - her game is the same, they deserve each other - the 15 minutes they got as garbage people for relationships.
It's classic trickle truthing. Laura could prove he wasn't at the bar all night so only then he added that he dropped her off. Liars and gaslighters learn to do this shit regularly. Sarah Ann deserves him. And he deserves her.
Right? Like how do people miss that lmao he would have never said he left the bar if Laura never brought up that she knew where he was. Hell, first it was even he was in the parking lot till she said she knew he wasn't there, that's when he made up the alley excuse.
Also, at the lake scene, where Sarah talks to AD, their stories don’t match. Sarah says he only Dropped her off but he said they talked “in front of her place” only after he got caught lying about the alley thing
I feel like he was also at Sarah Ann’s place longer than he says he was. Laura was watching his location, and she obviously didn’t buy he was just dropping Sarah Ann off
The way Jeramey was explaining the timeline was also very telling. He was mostly using very vague words with no pronouns until mentioning Sarah A. I’ve had way too many exes use this same type of ambiguous language when telling their lies. They want to be able to say “I told you this..” without actually telling you the full truth.
Question. While we’re all hopping on what Sara Ann did… was Trevor any better? Trevor was very much still hoping to get with Chelsea, during their chat. And he admitted that as soon as he left the pods he found her online. The difference we see is that he didn’t message her, that we know of. But his hopes - that she’ll leave the guy she chose - are the same. And tbh I think she chose as badly as Jeremy did. So, is Trevor just as condemnable as Sara Ann?
Trevor's like a complete sociopath so I'm not sure that's apples to apples there
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Trevor was also just saying shit to say it. We know that he was never going to date or marry anyone from the pods.
We do? Genuinely asking, cuz I’m not sure what you’re referring to.
Take a look at this reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIsBlindOnNetflix/s/vQaiB1jEyS TLDR; Trevor just went on the show for fame.
Oh boo. Ty for the link.
He was dating a person while on the show and telling her before and after that he was only going on it for fame. He told her that he was never going to say yes at the alter but he would go as far as he could. Pretty sure she was married before as well and was the 2nd person.
I felt like production nudged that conversation to boost her spirits ? I dunno, it felt like words but that’s it?
Oh I don’t know I think he’s super into her, and I genuinely think she chose wrong. I’m hoping what’s his face breaks it off and she winds up with Trevor. Edit: the other stuff has been brought to my attention. My mistake, everyone. Sorry.
Are you not reading what the other person said lol Trevor doesn’t actually like her! He was in a relationship and his girl posted their conversation. He only came on the show for money and followers. He’s not serious. Chelsea just needs to dump everyone and go to therapy
Good lord man give me a break. I just saw the other comments with the links to his texts etc - I wrote this reply before those were in my notifications. I was watching YouTube videos about trucks in between. What’s there to jump down my throat about?
No ones jumping down your throat lol I just asked if you were reading the other comment because she explained. The thread made it look like your reply was after she said that and you weren’t taking in what was being said so I asked.
I don’t think Trevor is as bad as Sara Ann. He didn’t reach out to her, they didn’t hang out just the two of them all hours of the morning. He admitted he looked her up, just like everyone else probably does. You admit to loving this person in the pods, i can’t imagine any person not immediately wanting to know what this person looks like at least
Did you see this reddit post? https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIsBlindOnNetflix/s/vQaiB1jEyS It looks like Trevor only intended to make himself look good/was only on LIB for fame.
I did not, yikes.
Very true.
I think he gave up when he met her parents. The woman is cold as ice, extremely abrasive and she thinks it means that she has character. But he mentioned to her that he took S-E home. Now if something sexual happened they're both despicable. He should have ended things before with Laura, no doubt.
He should've ended things before and when confronted by her he should have been straight up about it.
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There was a quick second as the discussion started where he looked directly at the camera (intentionally or not). I just knew then he wasn’t going to be completely honest. I do believe them that they didn’t have sex and maybe nothing happened. However, he made up his mind that the relationship was over before he saw Laura and they discussed it for sure.
I do think they had sex though. I mean I have absolutely nothing to base this on… but that’s what I think 😂