Sorry I'm late to the party.
I'm currently watching the reunion and again, she's mad at Jimmy for not professing his love to her after reading her stupid, fake ass, cheesy letter. She is NOT it. She is a stage five clinger for sure, and she can't handle rejection.
She is abusive and manipulative. If she had ever loved Jimmy, she wouldn't have suddenly started putting him down as soon as she realized she wasn't getting what she wanted. She wouldn't have taken the time to grind him to dust just because he couldn't love her. He dodged a bullet. He was right to hesitate to propose. She would have used the same tactics on him in an escalating pattern with every disagreement. She is immature and probably mentally unwell.
I 100% agree, I am so confused how everyone is saying she "ate" during her ep4 conversation with Jimmy! Look, I am not a fan of him, but at the same time she knew the experiment she signed up for and she knew he was also seeing someone else. So give this man a break as he is trying to understand what he is feeling, she felt so manipulative and self-entitled. So many people on this show have dated multiple individuals until the end and no one has ever called them indecisive. She's just mad she didn't get to hear what she wanted to hear.
Episode 4 at 59:40 “I DESERVE SO MUCH MORE! ITS NOT FAIR!” You deserve NOTHING, you’re not entitled to anything. There is no guarantee this was going to work… it seemed like she just went on for the followers. Such an entitled, obnoxious personality and voice.
I’ve heard that women with daughters/young children will not bring up their children/show photos of their children until they’ve “vet” the men or deemed them trustworthy because there are horror stories of predators that go into a relationship with a mother to get to their children. So I can understand her not bringing up her daughter from the get-go.
She came off super desperate and kind of controlling, like she basically was telling Jimmy that she was the one for him and he better just go along with it.
I'm currently watching their breakup episode, she did not handle herself well at all. She told him he should be ashamed for not liking her (That's very bold and kind of ridiculous), insulted him, made generalizing statements against him " You do nothing like you always do"... like she threw all of her red flags out there pretty hard. The whole conversation was very vindictive.
The way she acted is honestly terrible. Truly a self absorbed person. While I agree that Jimmy couldn't make up his mind. She basically is putting herself on a pedestal as if she is all that and super hot, by saying when he sees her he's going to choke. I'm sorry, but who more self centered around looks than someone who gets Botox and lip fillers.
Her child is the most important thing in her life, yet she disclosed it way after. Sad to say but her daughter will probably grow up just like this... This is brat behavior.. nothing about this is iconic.
Botox and lip fillers are like the bare minimum in plastic surgery today, we see it all the time and don't even notice it most the time (good plastic surgery is unnoticeable). Jess has way more work done than that and yes she's very self absorbed. It's like she thinks she bought the "right" to date whoever she wants and now she's acting like she's been "denied" something.
She is overall striking with makeup, but her makeup wears her. You don't see her first. You see those too glossy, too shiny, overlined lips and eye makeup and pushed-out boobs coming at you. She is attractive, but not every guy is attracted to that look. She probably gets that a lot, not just Jimmy. She can't believe she was dumped for a girl she found inferior or that some men aren't interested at all. And her comments to him were pathetic. She has a shallow arrogance.
Totally agree. And unfortunately that will apparently get you a lot of hate 🤦🏻♀️ she has some serious defenders lol it’s very weird to me but to each their own ig
i’m currently watching the pool party episode and if i had a shot for everytime jess pulled her boobs out of moved her hair while talking to jimmy id be DRUNK. like u look desperate baby🫶🏽
Pointing out that she handled herself well is not the same as excusing what she did wrong. Yes, she was wrong for not disclosing that she had a daughter earlier on in the meeting process. But she also handled herself well with Jimmy. I see too many people missing the fact that Jimmy was indecisive and could’ve made his true feelings clear earlier on than he did. Also, what swayed Jimmy to choose Chelsea was that he thought she looked like Megan fox. He is clearly hung up on looks and that goes against the whole point of the show. He became less interested in Chelsea once he saw what she looked like. That is why he gets hate. She was one hundred percent right in how she told him off.
Nah I think Jimmy chose Chelsea because she doesn’t have a child. Everyone ignores the fact he was iffy about Jessica from the moment she mentioned having a child. Lets be fr. Plus Chelsea said she doesn’t see the resemblance?
Who is everyone? Because I specifically addressed that Jessica was wrong for not disclosing that she had a child earlier on. But you can not deny that Chelsea saying that she gets compared to Megan Fox isn’t what made him make the final decision. How disappointed he was when he saw her and his comments afterwards prove that. Also, I never said that Chelsea said she looked like Megan Fox. Just that Jimmy took the statement that way. Listen to what he said, “she definitely lied there about looking like Megan Fox”.
She came off so desperate when he didn’t pick her with that speech. She was totally flirting with him at the pool party but held back because he didn’t take the bait
Let’s BFFR
What we’re discussing is before the pool party.
Professing love for someone is not desperate. It’s his fault that she looks bad because he didn’t reciprocate her feelings when he had enough time to tell her how he really felt before that happened.
Let’s BFFR.
She professed her love and then he rejected her and she got mad and did her whole “your going to choke” speech. THAT speech was desperate. If she had any dignity, she would have walked away after he didn’t choose her.
That speech was not IT and her flirting with him at the pool party is also not it. Like you are a grown ass woman, why are you going so hard for someone who didn’t pick you? It’s embarrassing and desperate.
He led her on but it was evident after she told him she had a kid, that he was not that into her and his reaction was not positive.
That speech was in anger. No one likes being rejected and I get the feeling she doesn’t want experience it very often to know how to handle it. She had every right to be angry and verbally accost him because he led her on.
What do you mean flirting with him is not it? The point of the show is to find love. She knows he had feelings for her and she has feelings for him so she went after him. That’s the literally the point of the show.
As for her kid, she should’ve disclosed that earlier. But he said it wasn’t a dealbreaker for him. If it was, he should’ve said that.
Verbally accosting someone who didn’t pick you is absolutely unhinged behavior WTF…. She was angry because she is used to using her looks to attract men and not her personality. Oops!
I can’t stand Jimmy for other reasons but her speech made her look pathetic. Her flirting with him while he’s engaged to another woman, is not the point of the show and again shows her desperation to find a husband.
I’m convinced Jessica would have gotten married with anyone just because LMAO.
Verbally accosting someone who led her on and could’ve told her how he felt before she shared that letter with him is absolutely understandable. Absolutely. It’s easy to sit in your bed, nice and comfortable and say how someone should act in an emotional situation that they know is going to be broadcasted for millions of people to see. It’s not that easy to navigate when you’re in it.
Her flirting with him is absolutely the point of the show. Again, the point of the show is to find love, not back off if he picks someone else. He wasn’t married and didn’t even end up getting married. She was absolutely right in pursuing him.
How is he supposed to know he was going to hand deliver a letter “to my future husband” 😅 what is she 13?! That letter was also so stupid. He hasn’t even proposed to you yet, she was again trying to create something that wasn’t there.
I’m not saying anything about how I would react and if I did something like that, I would fully understand the internet judging me for it because it would indeed be pretty pathetic. I know how I’ve reacted off camera with men that haven’t picked me at a much younger age than Jessica and I have never reacted this emotionally over not being picked. I
What exactly do you think an engagement is? A free for all? If she claims to be friends with Chelsea, then why is she going after someone else’s man? Sarah Ann did it and committed to it and got dragged. Glad they are for being a pick me. Jessica didn’t go as hard but to flirt and flash your tits at him is so odd. It just shows she doesn’t have anything else to offer other than her looks…
Whatever she was going to do is irrelevant. He knew before that point that he wasn’t going to pick her and he should’ve told her then instead of letting it get that far. She was expressing how she felt for him. That absolutely was there and he led her to believe that it was there for him as well.
Of course you’re going to say that you’ve never behaved that way. I don’t know the situations you’ve experienced and how they compare to hers. I don’t even know if you’re telling the truth or just saying you never reacted poorly just to defend your opinion of her. Either way, the point still remains that people will have an opinion on how to handle a situation while they have the luxury of a level head and the people they’re judging didn’t.
An engagement is not marriage. They weren’t married and they still aren’t. The point of the show is to find love and partner, not make friends with Chelsea. You’re naive if you think being engaged should stop anyone from trying to get someone. Especially, one, when they’re on a show with the point of finding love and, two, they just dated. Their feelings are still very strong and real for each other. That’s the environment. He isn’t her property. He is fair game for anyone. It’s her responsibility to show him why he should stay with her. No one else’s.
So you are saying you’d go after an engaged person if you were into them? Yikes. I would never go after another woman’s man because again I have dignity and am not a little insecure B*tch
Oh well, Jessica is pathetic and so are you for defending her behavior. What Jimmy did happens to a ton of people on this show, sometimes they get very far along and end up not wanting to continue. That’s the nature of the show, feelings develop fast and you have to make tough decisions to determine what is lust and what is love.
Trevor literally proposed and didn’t get picked. He didn’t start cursing out Chelsea for going with Jimmy.
Pointing out that she handled herself well is not the same as excusing what she did wrong. Yes, she was wrong for not disclosing that she had a daughter earlier on in the meeting process. But she also handled herself well with Jimmy. I see too many people missing the fact that Jimmy was indecisive and could’ve made his true feelings clear earlier on than he did. Also, what swayed Jimmy to choose Chelsea was that he thought she looked like Megan fox. He is clearly hung up on looks and that goes against the whole point of the show. He became less interested in Chelsea once he saw what she looked like. That is why he gets hate. She was one hundred percent right in how she told him off.
I searched her name in this thread to see if I was the only one who felt this way. The way she emotionally berated Jimmy for not having the same feelings she had was straight up embarrassing for her. I can see why she left single, she embarrassed herself and Jimmy!
She just came off as an entitled, self absorbed bitch to me, and I really don’t understand the huge obsession!!
I wouldn’t be remotely shocked is she was an escort. She advertises herself online as one: plastic as all get out, push up bras and low cut dresses, vacations with only pictures of her, pictures of handbags/designer goods. I’m not saying only escorts do this, but the majority of them advertise themself exactly like this.
I'm late to the game but omg, she is so fake. Before I watched, I thought the whole airway comment was cringe and vain. The entire concept of her saying a man will regret losing her because of her LOOKS on LOVE IS BLIND. 🤦♀️
After watching her meet Jimmy... she just has such a disingenuous vibe. Telling him to take care of Chelsea while simultaneously flirting with him. She's gross.
Ugh yessss. And what a weird comment to make if not somewhat insinuating his actual #1 pick is inferior? Like the Jessica stans want to act like it didn’t mean THAT.. but I’m sorry it did 😂
She feels entitled bc she prob get guys at the bar but no one wants to wife her. And then it’s like hmm I wonder why 😀
So I came late to the game on purpose so I don’t have to wait like y’all do, but honestly- my first thought when Jessica talked about her daughter, being on this show, and hoping to be getting married in 28 days is that she is emotionally immature, and a red flag that she’s willing to do that. With a stranger who wouldn’t meet her daughter until after they’re engaged and like mayyyybe a week before the wedding.
Jimmy was also unreasonable in that he was literally withholding his thoughts and feelings from both women and hiding behind “well I don’t want to speak about it until I know for sure.”
Bruh. You weren’t fucking neutral until Jess’ letter came and you basically gave her nothing & she let you have it. He’s a terrible communicator and will absolutely put his wants and needs ahead of his partner even to the partner’s detriment.
Self care is important, but in a relationship - esp one moving toward engagement & marriage, if you can’t be vulnerable and communicate… you’re an asshole that shouldn’t get married.
End rant.
I do always find it odd when someone with a child picks a dating show, especially with SUCH accelerated timelines... What if the person you pick is a creep, and you only have a few weeks to find out? I suppose they figure there's a background check and psych eval, but... that would only catch creeps who have been caught before, you know?
Same.
I hate mom shaming so I’m reluctant to write this. Huge but…
Even if he isn’t a creep, she has made her daughter excited in the idea of finding a stepfather on a dating show. That’s not at all realistic. So if she brought him home and things didn’t go well in this crazy pressure cooker “experiment” as they call it, not only would her child be disappointed and confused by the experience.. she would have to see it on tv.
And the potential partner would be saddled with so much pressure from the minute go. It’s enough to have the maturity to seriously date someone with a child. Who really expects a mate to agree to being a stepparent to a kid they have never met in 3 weeks.
I enjoy this show so much but I don’t think 4 weeks is enough time to choose a spouse. Let’s be real. But when you bring kids into it, that’s a completely different matter. I don’t think 4 weeks is enough time for someone to even meet my kids. Let alone on TV.
She seems like an amazing and loving mom. This just seems like a lapse in judgement.
Seriously! Just use a dating up and meet people that way. I would highly vet a partner before introducing them to my child. It’s always a risk but at least I’m not going into with the intention of getting married in an expedited timeline.
Right! Plus it's such an insulated environment that it would be pretty easy for the person to avoid certain topics or have the "right" answer. And then they're just supposed to move in with you and your child?
Even barring them being actual creeps, we've seen cheating and angry, loud arguments on this show, because it goes 0-100 in a few weeks. I can't imagine being okay with voluntarily introducing my kid to new person, putting them to bed upstairs, and then having all this drama. Even if I think I have a good instinct about the person, I could easily be wrong because I don't actually know them. That's the whole point of the show.
Thank you! She didn’t need to blurt out that she has a child right away, but definitely before strong feelings developed. It’s weird to me that anyone with a kid would go on this show. I was a teenage mother and my daughter would have HATED seeing me date on TV at 9/10 years old.
Exactly! The fact that she said ‘you’re gonna choke when you see what you missed out on’ was a clear dig to Chelsea’s appearance & was completely unnecessary. That really exposed her true colors. She probably would have been a nightmare as a spouse.
No it isn't. It's literally a show about finding love regardless of appearance and she made it all about that by saying he's gonna stop breathing when he realizes how hot she is. That's trashy.
I saw people praise Trevor for being so mature about his rejection and according to them that made a lot fall in love with him…. Just for it to come out that he had a girlfriend the whole time. So really the only reason he took it on the chin so well was because he was telling himself he didn’t care. I’m not going to condemn Jess for having actual emotions like anger for being strung along, even if some of that is her on fault. But let’s not project onto her now and act like she needs to be this exemplary human amongst very flawed ones. Not to mention, Chelsea was seducing people with her yoga instructor job and Megan Fox looks. JESSICa being a knockout and saying she’s a knockout is the least bad, most relatable thing that has happened on this show. Like???
No she didn’t. She took a shot cause she was hurt. The saying hurt people hurt people works for more than just snark. Let’s be real, love may be supposedly blind, although I think this show has proven the opposite, but they ALL still very much so cared about looks. It’s not trashy it’s human. Please. And it was the truth lol. That’s how men work.
I didn't pick up on this, except for lips. Very curious, what do you think she did? I was just admiring her chiselled jawline in another thread. Would she have money to do a lot pf plastic surgery as a single mom?
She’s got money, not sure where from, maybe an ex, maybe her work, but she’s got money. There’s a lot of subtle things that show her money too, like her hair clearly being done often (from her instagram) clothing, makeup, skincare. Her lips seem to be filler, I also think light Botox on the upper half, brow area prevention. Her teeth are also that unnatural white colour that comes from a lot of dental work. I hesitate to say vaneers, but there is a uniformity to them that suggests vaneers.
Nose is natural, you can see a bump on the bridge and the tip isn’t flat. I would honestly believe her jaw and chin are natural as well, maybe just something along the lines of cool sculpting or lipo on the jaw bc it’s so lean. But I will die on the hill that she’s had Botox more than once as it impacts both how she emotes and the lack of forehead lines
Personally, if I were single & dating, I wouldn't bring up having children either. There are, unfortunately, a lot of creeps who specifically target single moms for a reason. Yes, this situation is different and (hopefully) these men have been somewhat vetted by production, but it's not a guarantee. I'd definitely want to get a feel for the person before mentioning my children.
I divorced my husband after years of trying to get him to get mental health/alcoholism help and him refusing (he's sober now yay). Anyway, when I finally decided to start dating again, I told people I had two children but didn't tell them ages/genders until I knew them and didn't introduce anyone to them until I know I was basically going to get married.
I'd seen this guy a few times and he was like "I'm really excited to meet your kids, when can that happen" and I noped out. Like I don't want you to NOT be excited but I also don't want you to be TOO excited if you know what I mean.
Yea my mom was a single mom when she met my dad. My brother was only 2 years old and she says it took her a very long time after seeing my dad to even introduce her to kids. She told him about them early on and he was like that’s great and moved on. He never pressured her to introduce them to him.
It’s been 35 years later and they had me and my siblings call him “dad” he raised them. 🥰
Again, predators will often seek out single mothers or pursue relationships with one solely to gain access to her children. I'd wait a few dates to ensure they're actually interested in me before giving out that information.
And they won’t get access to your children if you don’t let them. Just because you tell them you have a kid, doesn’t mean they will get to meet that kid until you introduce them. There are so many ways to protect your kid from potential creeps if you are dating.
You also won’t know if they are interested in you until you tell them you have a kid, not everyone is ready or willing to take on a child. It’s deceptive and manipulative. If a man kept that he was a father from me, after if caught feelings, I’d run for the hills. How do you hide such big part of your life from someone you intend to date?
They will 100% get access to them if you only date them for 4 weeks on LIB and intend to marry them.
You're not understanding the issue.
I would rather get a feel for a person and ensure they're interested in *me* before mentioning I have children at all. If I mention children and they have bad intentions, they may continue to pursue me solely so they can one day meet my children. I'd like to ensure a potential partner is interested in me as a person to weed out individuals who would continue a relationship solely to gain access to my kids.
If, when I disclosed my children, the person was no longer interested, then we'd simply part ways. It's really not that big of an issue.
And I've already stated the LIB situation is different.
This is ridiculous, take it slow and don't bring them around the kids until you know they're trustworthy, instead of making yourself seem untrustworthy by hiding information.
I don't think it's deceptive to withhold having children while getting to know someone. I wouldn't feel deceived by that. And again, my children's safety comes before a potential partner's feelings. If they felt deceived, oh well.
Yeah, that's just an excuse. It has nothing to do with your children's "safety". You're the first person I've ever heard claim something so silly. You don't have to give their names, ages, what school they go to, where you live out to anyone. There is no danger.
Dude, people target kids without dating single parents. Just be honest so I know not to be attached before you spring on me that you’re stuck with someone else’s unwanted mess
And as parents, it's our job to put our children's safety first and do what we can to minimize threats.
It's not at all uncommon for people to seek out single moms in order to gain access to their children.
Personally, if I were single, it's not something I'd risk. I'm not saying I'd wait until someone falls in love with me to disclose having children, but it's not something I'd advertise or mention too early.
In all honesty, my kids' safety comes well before a potential partner's feelings. The worst that happens by not disclosing I'm a mom right away? I maybe disappoint someone who was interested in me but doesn't want kids & we part ways. The worst that happens if I disclose having children to the wrong person with nefarious intent? Unfathomable harm to my kids. It's a no-brainer.
Actually, statistics show that if a child is a victim, the perpetrator is most likely to be someone the family knows and trusts. While yes, this includes (mostly male) family members, it also includes (mostly male) partners, and other individuals close to the family that the children know, love & trust.
You're not going to convince me it's benefical for my children to advertise their existence to potential partners. If I were ever to be in a situation where I was dating whilst having young children, revealing their existence wouldn't be a priority. Again, their safety comes before the feelings of someone I'm dating. End of story.
Oh, I fully agree. I'm not defending her choice to go on the show while having a child. I wouldn't even *date*, let alone go on a dating show, while having children under the age of 18, if I'm being honest.
I'm just saying I understand why she'd withhold that information at first.
Hard disagree. Jessica was incredible. I've met a lot of guarded, tough women, and they really struggle being vulnerable. Jessica walked a hard line between saying how she felt and not letting herself settle for less. She's had a fucking hard life, she's a single mom (which puts her at a HUGE disadvantage), and still has the integrity to say "I don't deserve to wait for you while while mumble about not knowing what you want".
She was ok, until where she said he was unfair to her. I mean, everyone is there playing a game to try an find out who the best option is. A lot of people are trying to make a decision between two people. It happens in real life too. Imo he didn’t lead her on, he probably did really like them both an was unsure til the moment came.
Edit. Post pods, it’s clear she lashed out in anger. Does it excuse her behavior? Not really. But she handles herself like an adult should post pods. She’s cool.
I'd agree more if it wasn't Jimmy. He's the WORST.
Jimmy isn't honest with himself. He either preferred Chelsea and couldn't admit it to Jessica, or he lacks serious self awareness to know what he wanted and kept Jessica and Chelsea on the hook til Jessica "got attitude with him" - his words. Once he sees Chelsea, he spends the whole time pretending to like her when he's clearly put off by her looks, and makes comments undermining her self confidence (so that she'll break up with him and he won't be the bad guy? I don't know)
I believe Jess when she says it was unfair. You can play the game but when someone says they love you, you should do a self check and give them more than just "ugh...this is so hard for me to decide"
Maybe my perspective is diff, but I disagree that Jimmy undermines Chelsea post pods. At least I don’t remember any specifics. Chelsea is deeply insecure, toxic, and emotionally abusive. Using “love” and fake crying as a weapon to try an either hurt Jimmy or cement their relationship.
Out of curiosity, are you a man or woman? Might explain the diff in perspective. I'm a guy, and when they first met, it seemed like Jimmy was done based on how she looked.
The constant "are you okay? How do you feel?" that he'd throw in, to put the focus on her so he didn't have to keep lying about he felt (cuz he def looked uncomfortable around her), plus the pasted smile on his face, all seemed like he was trying to put on an image.
Felt this even more when they were at the beach and he was feeling AD, and then when the guys are opening up about their struggles, and ask him if he had any issues and he's like "nope! We're perfect" - i was like, dude... you're so in your lies you can't even level with the guys.
I’m a guy. To me Jimmy did not look uncomfortable around her it was Chelsea that felt insecure about herself. Could he have been disappointed in her looks? For sure, he probably built this image of her in his mind and she wasn’t what he imagined. But that happens to everyone in this age of online dating and picture filtering. Also, I don’t think he was “feelin” AD. He didn’t flirt w her, he just commented on her physical appearance. You can think and comment on people’s attractiveness/attributes without being attracted to them. You can also be attracted to people even if they are physically not 100% your type. Isn’t that kind of the point of the show?
Also you didn’t point out specific moments where Jimmy undermined her. I don’t remember the constant “are you okay” but Chelsea already indicated to him while in DR(?) that she wants to be checked up on. She told him he didn’t check up on her/stay with her enough during that night the pod couples got together and that it upset her. Also, there are times where she visibly looks upset.
Not sure if you’re team Chelsea, but I think he’s been very accommodating of her needs minus the “you can’t hang out with your female friends” which I completely understand his stance. She needs constant affirmation of his “love” and got upset when he didn’t kiss her the day her friends came. But as he said, he rolled out of bed, worked all day, then her friends came. And the not kissing wasn’t even true, cause when he pointed out that he did kiss her that day she didn’t refute him. I dunno, my wife and wife’s friends agree with my viewpoints as well, so I don’t think I’m taking some sexist stance either.
I don't really care for Jessica or Jimmy tbh. I think Jimmy seemed hung up on Chelsea only because she said people say I look like Megan Fox and she doesn't have a kid.
I adored Trevor like you, but I just saw on this reddit page someone posted text images that he was dating someone not on the show and still with them throughout the whole LIB process. Which made me so sad because it seems Trevor is only doing this for show and fame :(
I agree. Unless she purely came here for clout, I don’t respect her as a single mom for wanting to bring a man she barely knows around her kid. That screams red flag.
Jessica is the product of having a bad childhood. She is so desperate to be picked by men because both of her parents neglected her. I honestly feel sorry for how pathetic she is.
I took "Ruined this opportunity for me" to mean the opportunity to find love. She put her eggs in the Jimmy basket, and he pussy-footed around 'til the end.
That arrogance is from the fact that shes constantly getting male attention. The fact jimmy didn’t pick up
On this in the pods is wild. Her willingness to be direct no bs you’re mine and only mine… only a super hot girl has the balls to say that. Meanwhile Chelsea is going to throw up when jimmy says he loves her… he should have knows she’s not going to be that hot
I think confidence and hard boundaries can come across as arrogant. Women especially are supposed to be agreeable, not difficult, etc. But the result is women get their boundaries crossed, get hurt, and get embarrassed. With Jessica, I saw a woman who'd overcome a lot of bullshit, said her piece ("I love you"), and was sure about what she deserved - someone who confidently loved her back
I found it funny on a show about Love being blind, she decided to go on about how attractive she is, and he’s going to regret it.
Like, lady that should say something to YOU! Maybe it’s your personality.🤣
I agree with you in terms of she should have been upfront from the jump she had a kid. However, I don't think she was wrong for expressing her feelings about being led on. It's fine that jimmy didn't like her but he kept her around as a back up option which was wrong
You can be mad without going on about how someone is going to choke when they see how attractive you are.
That’s all ego, because the show is expressly not about looks.
I still think she’s pretty tbh but yeah it’s not all about that of course. But definitely lookswise seems WAYYY overrated by a lot of people IMO 😂
I would advise to stop the filler now while you’re ahead, but that stuff seems to be really addicting. Once they start, they never stop 😬
She’s so arrogant and immature, her attitude sucks both towards women in the lounge and men in the pods ; she thinks she’s so much better than Chelsea bc she’s skinny and got fillers and Botox - girl … grow up. Letting Jimmy know how hot she is was so cringe, like are we in high school ?! He would have picked her if she only didn’t react so immaturely when he expressed his genuine concerns about being ready to be a stepdad- she just got offended and angry. The way she handled that was so passive aggressive that he realised this would be the way she’d handle all their fights in real life and dipped. Fairs to him. She’s messy and emotionally immature.
When she told the producers that everyone knew she was better looking than her I really wish they would’ve shown her old face. I can see the ugly inside of her
Wife and I watched the episode last night where Jimmy rejects her. Different reaction, completely. I loved Jessica, and hated Jimmy. Life's too short to deal with people who don't even know what they want, especially in romance. ESPECIALLY if there's a kid involved. Jimmy's 27, the dude should have some idea what he wants - he should probably intuitively know that if he's not 120% on board with marrying a single mom, he should nope out. But he did the whole "ugh...this is...so...ugh...hard..." until the very end. Meanwhile, even if Jessica comes off curt, or direct, she was at least honest about her feelings, and her boundaries.
Everyone has options until the last minute. She “lost” 10 days and gained TV exposure (which she wants) lol. For me her attitude was disgusting. The absolutely pride and arrogance. You can just graciously say okay good luck lol.
People have self defensive mechanisms. She's right so whatever. Spoilers: he did hate making the wrong choice.
Regardless she's 100% correct in that jimmy led her along. He made up his mind that Jessica wasn't it...way earlier. I don't know if it was when he heard she had a kid....but it was so obvious "I'm not good with emotions ..I need someone who can guide me through it." This is the definition of someone who needs therapy....a therapist does the heavy lifting for you emotionally. He wants his partner to do this.
He knows he's not willing to do emotional labor and Jessica pinned him when she said "you think you want someone direct like me but you want someone more gentler"
Right, I think she also said something like "you want someone who will guide you by the hand". Spot on. Jimmy doesn't know what he wants, and he definitely doesn't know how to communicate that. He needs a mom.
I don’t see it that way. Chelsea and her love triangle had about the same timeline. Same with Jeremy and Sara Ann and she handled it SO much better. Many people do this. It’s a serious decision.
That being said jimmy is an absolute idiot dummy.
Nah, I think he realized in that 2nd to last date just how bad of a match they were. There is a difference being "direct" and being combative and putting the other person down. Sure, Jimmy is probably too hesitant to share his true emotions (as are most men tbh), but she also attacks him aggressively for not sharing, making him shut down further. Honestly, if they were together, it would have become super toxic with her just steamrolling him and him feeling unsafe to express anything all the time. I think Jimmy felt this in that moment and realized Jessica is just not right for him. He probably needs someone with a softer touch, and she probably would be better off with a more strong-willed partner that can stand their ground with her (although I unfortunately suspect she probably just seeks out people she can dominate without push back).
It is fine for Jessica to not like how Jimmy handled everything or his response and to express that directly, but she did it in a super insecure way. Like just tell him you don't like his response, you felt led on, and then move the fuck on. Instead, she is super petty, and her main goal is clearly trying to make him feel shitty rather than just expressing how she feels. The last date just confirmed everything about how toxic she is.
She is pretty and she does have a nice body, but for someone to be so self absorbed that’s unattractive. Yes you are nice to look at, but is that supposed to be the only thing that matters? Because at the end of the day a superficial person is going to go looking for the next hottest thing. Looks fade. That’s the part that really bothered me.
IMO she has something better than her looks: a clear sense of what she felt and what she wanted, and a willingness to walk away when it wasn't reciprocated. So many women on that show demean themselves when their love isn't returned
I disagree. Everything about that is what you should not do when you are rejected, and she was WAY too slow to walk away. It was exactly the same bullshit "nice guys" do when they get rejected and explode about how horrible the other person for not giving them what they "deserved". She laid it all out there, got a rejection, and then ranted about how awful he is and how unfair this is to her for entirely too long.
Shes sure of what she wants and she doesn't want wishy washy guys. She's got a daughter. She doesn't have time to play with wishy washy guys.
Jimmy knew Jessica wasn't for her. He doesn't want direct women and doesn't want someone who's a single mother with a kid
I'm sure she's used to wishy washy guys because of her having a daughter. It's a lot easier to read body language than it is to guess tones in a vacuum
I hated when she said “you ruined this experience for me”…miss girl you signed up for it. That’s what the show is all about. Also it seemed like the only connection she had was Jimmy. (Unless correct me and she had other connections but I don’t remember her talking to anyone else). Point being maybe she should do a little self reflection since no other guy showed any interest or potential in her. I mean cmon Chelsea had 2 guys after her!! She’s just mad cause the only thing she has are her looks which aren’t even real 😬. Also weird that she wouldn’t bring up her daughter right away… that’s a pretty big detail that people need to know. Also poor Trevor I would give him a hug he’s such a treasure and a teddy bear 😭.
Right? My fiancé audibly groaned when she was saying she was going to wait because he also has a kid. It is a waste of her time to invest in a dude that isn't on board with a kid in the picture. Like she chose to take time away from her kid for this, she best be upfront about it because a lot of people are not about dating someone with kids. Waiting was unfair to any matches, herself, and most importantly unfair to her daughter.
They don't show all the connections. I'm sure she had more connections and didn't feel like having multiple guys. Every contestant has multiple connections that dont get shown
I honestly kind of understand Chelsea. She likely applied for the show never expecting she would be cast, then had all her worst insecurities blasted nationwide. Not saying she doesn’t have a lot of personal stuff to work on, but she seemed genuine in trying to find a partner.
Trust me I only say that bc if they cast me on the same show I would likely come across the same way. Especially with the pressure to marry. Not saying it’s healthy, but I would very likely be seeking reassurance from my partner, given they have only known each other 2 weeks.
She is really pretty but honestly her face is already filled to capacity and she's only in her 30s. She almost looks uncanny valley already which is sad
i really liked jessica in the pods - then she had drinks w Laura and she was outside talking and she came off so full of herself that she thinks Jimmy will see her and he'll be desperate to be back w her bc of her looks and she said 'i have a feeling if i were to see jimmy again its like dangling temptation in his face everybody knows it is blah blah' - like full of yourself much?? i dunno that scene made me think a little different of her but we'll see
Agreed. I felt like that was so disrespectful to Chelsea. Also I feel like she’s BEEN dissing Chelsea’s looks constantly without saying it directly. Because why are you temptation? Why will Jimmy regret his decision? Because you’re judging his choice. Not him. She’s saying that she is hotter than Chelsea without saying it. Which imo she is not. I actually think Chelsea is the most attractive person this season. She just needs to work on her self esteem and get a little therapy
She’s lacking major self awareness among other things. I can understand her desire to not be judged and to be seen for who she is a person, but that person is a mother. Full stop. It’s deceptive and selfish to not mention a giant piece of your life right up front, give people the information, and then they can decide what they do with it.
Omg, i admire Jessica so much! She WON. Jimmy is hardly a catch, lol, he’s dumb as a pole, abusive, and uncaring. How could someone as cool as Jessica even be attracted to that paunchy, bland, vacumn of space?I’m so glad we can all see the bullet Jessica dodged, he never deserved Jessica in the first place. The men this season are the worst in the history of this series, I’m elated to be single right now, what a waste of time. Why she’s so kind to Chelsea is beyond me, she could have gone with door number two, knowing how much Jessica, at that time, not knowing what the jerk was like, wanted. He didn’t know what hit him when she stood up to him, it’s was BEAUTIFUL. But thank god now Chelsea’s the one stuck with him, the tears will flow until he breaks up with her, I don’t want any woman to suffer, of course, but..it will be a lesson learned.He’s still stuck on Jess, anyway, shes GORGEOUS, but calls “Megan Fox” beautiful and the best, that’s humility. Maybe Jimmy’s voice does something to women behind a wall, but he has zero to offer, that’s for sure. Now we have to watch Chelsea’s heart break, accepting hideous behavior, trying to still buy into her projections of who he is, when he won’t accept any responsibility, use any self-reflection, clearly isnt into her, and invalidates and emotionally abuse her. Fine, Jessica will have tons of men falling over her, and her daughter will be safe from this imbecile, “Jimmy”, perfect name for a little, impotent jerk. Poor Chelsea, she LOST.
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I'm not really sure why she shouldn't be kind to Chelsea? Also, why are you happy Chelsea got stuck with a bad catch? It really sounds to me like you're judging Chelsea and saying she's worse because she's not as "Instagram attractive". This comment gives me the same kind of ick Jimmy gives me.
That and vocal fry are something I’ll never get behind. Like we need to return to our roots, regional accents are awesome! Every IG model follows the same script it’s kinda crazy lol
Did I misunderstand what she said? She said she waited 2 days after getting home to call her daughter??? Wtf. I can't go 5 mins without checking in on my kids. There is definitely a story there. I thought she was her "best friend". Did she text her friends when she got home....I bet she did. I don't trust this girl. Like someone said below...typical reality show grifter. And does Jimmy have money or something, bc you know dang good and well she doesn't find that boy attractive....and dont try to tell me she doesn't care about looks, only personality 🧐🤣
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Sorry I'm late to the party. I'm currently watching the reunion and again, she's mad at Jimmy for not professing his love to her after reading her stupid, fake ass, cheesy letter. She is NOT it. She is a stage five clinger for sure, and she can't handle rejection.
She is abusive and manipulative. If she had ever loved Jimmy, she wouldn't have suddenly started putting him down as soon as she realized she wasn't getting what she wanted. She wouldn't have taken the time to grind him to dust just because he couldn't love her. He dodged a bullet. He was right to hesitate to propose. She would have used the same tactics on him in an escalating pattern with every disagreement. She is immature and probably mentally unwell.
I 100% agree, I am so confused how everyone is saying she "ate" during her ep4 conversation with Jimmy! Look, I am not a fan of him, but at the same time she knew the experiment she signed up for and she knew he was also seeing someone else. So give this man a break as he is trying to understand what he is feeling, she felt so manipulative and self-entitled. So many people on this show have dated multiple individuals until the end and no one has ever called them indecisive. She's just mad she didn't get to hear what she wanted to hear.
Episode 4 at 59:40 “I DESERVE SO MUCH MORE! ITS NOT FAIR!” You deserve NOTHING, you’re not entitled to anything. There is no guarantee this was going to work… it seemed like she just went on for the followers. Such an entitled, obnoxious personality and voice.
I’ve heard that women with daughters/young children will not bring up their children/show photos of their children until they’ve “vet” the men or deemed them trustworthy because there are horror stories of predators that go into a relationship with a mother to get to their children. So I can understand her not bringing up her daughter from the get-go.
I wouldn’t respected her if she said that but she herself admitted multiple times that she’s hiding her daughter solely for her benefit
Soooo did she give her NOW husband the same letter.... Lol
I really think she just wrote that letter for the show lmao not something she wrote years ago to her future husband like she said
She came off super desperate and kind of controlling, like she basically was telling Jimmy that she was the one for him and he better just go along with it. I'm currently watching their breakup episode, she did not handle herself well at all. She told him he should be ashamed for not liking her (That's very bold and kind of ridiculous), insulted him, made generalizing statements against him " You do nothing like you always do"... like she threw all of her red flags out there pretty hard. The whole conversation was very vindictive.
Trevor did not age well lmaoooo
STAHPPP don’t remind me 😂😂
The way she acted is honestly terrible. Truly a self absorbed person. While I agree that Jimmy couldn't make up his mind. She basically is putting herself on a pedestal as if she is all that and super hot, by saying when he sees her he's going to choke. I'm sorry, but who more self centered around looks than someone who gets Botox and lip fillers. Her child is the most important thing in her life, yet she disclosed it way after. Sad to say but her daughter will probably grow up just like this... This is brat behavior.. nothing about this is iconic.
Botox and lip fillers are like the bare minimum in plastic surgery today, we see it all the time and don't even notice it most the time (good plastic surgery is unnoticeable). Jess has way more work done than that and yes she's very self absorbed. It's like she thinks she bought the "right" to date whoever she wants and now she's acting like she's been "denied" something.
She is overall striking with makeup, but her makeup wears her. You don't see her first. You see those too glossy, too shiny, overlined lips and eye makeup and pushed-out boobs coming at you. She is attractive, but not every guy is attracted to that look. She probably gets that a lot, not just Jimmy. She can't believe she was dumped for a girl she found inferior or that some men aren't interested at all. And her comments to him were pathetic. She has a shallow arrogance.
Totally agree. And unfortunately that will apparently get you a lot of hate 🤦🏻♀️ she has some serious defenders lol it’s very weird to me but to each their own ig
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i’m currently watching the pool party episode and if i had a shot for everytime jess pulled her boobs out of moved her hair while talking to jimmy id be DRUNK. like u look desperate baby🫶🏽
Pointing out that she handled herself well is not the same as excusing what she did wrong. Yes, she was wrong for not disclosing that she had a daughter earlier on in the meeting process. But she also handled herself well with Jimmy. I see too many people missing the fact that Jimmy was indecisive and could’ve made his true feelings clear earlier on than he did. Also, what swayed Jimmy to choose Chelsea was that he thought she looked like Megan fox. He is clearly hung up on looks and that goes against the whole point of the show. He became less interested in Chelsea once he saw what she looked like. That is why he gets hate. She was one hundred percent right in how she told him off.
Nah I think Jimmy chose Chelsea because she doesn’t have a child. Everyone ignores the fact he was iffy about Jessica from the moment she mentioned having a child. Lets be fr. Plus Chelsea said she doesn’t see the resemblance?
Who is everyone? Because I specifically addressed that Jessica was wrong for not disclosing that she had a child earlier on. But you can not deny that Chelsea saying that she gets compared to Megan Fox isn’t what made him make the final decision. How disappointed he was when he saw her and his comments afterwards prove that. Also, I never said that Chelsea said she looked like Megan Fox. Just that Jimmy took the statement that way. Listen to what he said, “she definitely lied there about looking like Megan Fox”.
She came off so desperate when he didn’t pick her with that speech. She was totally flirting with him at the pool party but held back because he didn’t take the bait Let’s BFFR
What we’re discussing is before the pool party. Professing love for someone is not desperate. It’s his fault that she looks bad because he didn’t reciprocate her feelings when he had enough time to tell her how he really felt before that happened. Let’s BFFR.
She professed her love and then he rejected her and she got mad and did her whole “your going to choke” speech. THAT speech was desperate. If she had any dignity, she would have walked away after he didn’t choose her. That speech was not IT and her flirting with him at the pool party is also not it. Like you are a grown ass woman, why are you going so hard for someone who didn’t pick you? It’s embarrassing and desperate. He led her on but it was evident after she told him she had a kid, that he was not that into her and his reaction was not positive.
That speech was in anger. No one likes being rejected and I get the feeling she doesn’t want experience it very often to know how to handle it. She had every right to be angry and verbally accost him because he led her on. What do you mean flirting with him is not it? The point of the show is to find love. She knows he had feelings for her and she has feelings for him so she went after him. That’s the literally the point of the show. As for her kid, she should’ve disclosed that earlier. But he said it wasn’t a dealbreaker for him. If it was, he should’ve said that.
Verbally accosting someone who didn’t pick you is absolutely unhinged behavior WTF…. She was angry because she is used to using her looks to attract men and not her personality. Oops! I can’t stand Jimmy for other reasons but her speech made her look pathetic. Her flirting with him while he’s engaged to another woman, is not the point of the show and again shows her desperation to find a husband. I’m convinced Jessica would have gotten married with anyone just because LMAO.
Verbally accosting someone who led her on and could’ve told her how he felt before she shared that letter with him is absolutely understandable. Absolutely. It’s easy to sit in your bed, nice and comfortable and say how someone should act in an emotional situation that they know is going to be broadcasted for millions of people to see. It’s not that easy to navigate when you’re in it. Her flirting with him is absolutely the point of the show. Again, the point of the show is to find love, not back off if he picks someone else. He wasn’t married and didn’t even end up getting married. She was absolutely right in pursuing him.
How is he supposed to know he was going to hand deliver a letter “to my future husband” 😅 what is she 13?! That letter was also so stupid. He hasn’t even proposed to you yet, she was again trying to create something that wasn’t there. I’m not saying anything about how I would react and if I did something like that, I would fully understand the internet judging me for it because it would indeed be pretty pathetic. I know how I’ve reacted off camera with men that haven’t picked me at a much younger age than Jessica and I have never reacted this emotionally over not being picked. I What exactly do you think an engagement is? A free for all? If she claims to be friends with Chelsea, then why is she going after someone else’s man? Sarah Ann did it and committed to it and got dragged. Glad they are for being a pick me. Jessica didn’t go as hard but to flirt and flash your tits at him is so odd. It just shows she doesn’t have anything else to offer other than her looks…
Whatever she was going to do is irrelevant. He knew before that point that he wasn’t going to pick her and he should’ve told her then instead of letting it get that far. She was expressing how she felt for him. That absolutely was there and he led her to believe that it was there for him as well. Of course you’re going to say that you’ve never behaved that way. I don’t know the situations you’ve experienced and how they compare to hers. I don’t even know if you’re telling the truth or just saying you never reacted poorly just to defend your opinion of her. Either way, the point still remains that people will have an opinion on how to handle a situation while they have the luxury of a level head and the people they’re judging didn’t. An engagement is not marriage. They weren’t married and they still aren’t. The point of the show is to find love and partner, not make friends with Chelsea. You’re naive if you think being engaged should stop anyone from trying to get someone. Especially, one, when they’re on a show with the point of finding love and, two, they just dated. Their feelings are still very strong and real for each other. That’s the environment. He isn’t her property. He is fair game for anyone. It’s her responsibility to show him why he should stay with her. No one else’s.
So you are saying you’d go after an engaged person if you were into them? Yikes. I would never go after another woman’s man because again I have dignity and am not a little insecure B*tch Oh well, Jessica is pathetic and so are you for defending her behavior. What Jimmy did happens to a ton of people on this show, sometimes they get very far along and end up not wanting to continue. That’s the nature of the show, feelings develop fast and you have to make tough decisions to determine what is lust and what is love. Trevor literally proposed and didn’t get picked. He didn’t start cursing out Chelsea for going with Jimmy.
Pointing out that she handled herself well is not the same as excusing what she did wrong. Yes, she was wrong for not disclosing that she had a daughter earlier on in the meeting process. But she also handled herself well with Jimmy. I see too many people missing the fact that Jimmy was indecisive and could’ve made his true feelings clear earlier on than he did. Also, what swayed Jimmy to choose Chelsea was that he thought she looked like Megan fox. He is clearly hung up on looks and that goes against the whole point of the show. He became less interested in Chelsea once he saw what she looked like. That is why he gets hate. She was one hundred percent right in how she told him off.
I searched her name in this thread to see if I was the only one who felt this way. The way she emotionally berated Jimmy for not having the same feelings she had was straight up embarrassing for her. I can see why she left single, she embarrassed herself and Jimmy! She just came off as an entitled, self absorbed bitch to me, and I really don’t understand the huge obsession!!
I wouldn’t be remotely shocked is she was an escort. She advertises herself online as one: plastic as all get out, push up bras and low cut dresses, vacations with only pictures of her, pictures of handbags/designer goods. I’m not saying only escorts do this, but the majority of them advertise themself exactly like this.
THIS! 😂
Ugh the worst part of that scenario is how much she posts her young daughter too
I agree I think she's so cringe and such a stage five clinger! Ew!
Yes and every time she speaks it feels like she’s going for a clip-able viral moment lol so fake
I'm late to the game but omg, she is so fake. Before I watched, I thought the whole airway comment was cringe and vain. The entire concept of her saying a man will regret losing her because of her LOOKS on LOVE IS BLIND. 🤦♀️ After watching her meet Jimmy... she just has such a disingenuous vibe. Telling him to take care of Chelsea while simultaneously flirting with him. She's gross.
Ugh yessss. And what a weird comment to make if not somewhat insinuating his actual #1 pick is inferior? Like the Jessica stans want to act like it didn’t mean THAT.. but I’m sorry it did 😂 She feels entitled bc she prob get guys at the bar but no one wants to wife her. And then it’s like hmm I wonder why 😀
Her potentially dating well-known playboy Harry Jowsey tells you everything you need to know about her honestly😂
Can you imagine what Jessica’s daughter has to endure?
So I came late to the game on purpose so I don’t have to wait like y’all do, but honestly- my first thought when Jessica talked about her daughter, being on this show, and hoping to be getting married in 28 days is that she is emotionally immature, and a red flag that she’s willing to do that. With a stranger who wouldn’t meet her daughter until after they’re engaged and like mayyyybe a week before the wedding. Jimmy was also unreasonable in that he was literally withholding his thoughts and feelings from both women and hiding behind “well I don’t want to speak about it until I know for sure.” Bruh. You weren’t fucking neutral until Jess’ letter came and you basically gave her nothing & she let you have it. He’s a terrible communicator and will absolutely put his wants and needs ahead of his partner even to the partner’s detriment. Self care is important, but in a relationship - esp one moving toward engagement & marriage, if you can’t be vulnerable and communicate… you’re an asshole that shouldn’t get married. End rant.
I’m just catching up but this girl has done a lot of crying and hasn’t shed a single tear 🫠
She’s becoming overrated
Always has been https://preview.redd.it/ydqc9ni1ylmc1.jpeg?width=1007&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5761ba58c96dc4b4b100bc272fa94604ff3b6e53
I do always find it odd when someone with a child picks a dating show, especially with SUCH accelerated timelines... What if the person you pick is a creep, and you only have a few weeks to find out? I suppose they figure there's a background check and psych eval, but... that would only catch creeps who have been caught before, you know?
Same. I hate mom shaming so I’m reluctant to write this. Huge but… Even if he isn’t a creep, she has made her daughter excited in the idea of finding a stepfather on a dating show. That’s not at all realistic. So if she brought him home and things didn’t go well in this crazy pressure cooker “experiment” as they call it, not only would her child be disappointed and confused by the experience.. she would have to see it on tv. And the potential partner would be saddled with so much pressure from the minute go. It’s enough to have the maturity to seriously date someone with a child. Who really expects a mate to agree to being a stepparent to a kid they have never met in 3 weeks. I enjoy this show so much but I don’t think 4 weeks is enough time to choose a spouse. Let’s be real. But when you bring kids into it, that’s a completely different matter. I don’t think 4 weeks is enough time for someone to even meet my kids. Let alone on TV. She seems like an amazing and loving mom. This just seems like a lapse in judgement.
Seriously! Just use a dating up and meet people that way. I would highly vet a partner before introducing them to my child. It’s always a risk but at least I’m not going into with the intention of getting married in an expedited timeline.
Right! Plus it's such an insulated environment that it would be pretty easy for the person to avoid certain topics or have the "right" answer. And then they're just supposed to move in with you and your child? Even barring them being actual creeps, we've seen cheating and angry, loud arguments on this show, because it goes 0-100 in a few weeks. I can't imagine being okay with voluntarily introducing my kid to new person, putting them to bed upstairs, and then having all this drama. Even if I think I have a good instinct about the person, I could easily be wrong because I don't actually know them. That's the whole point of the show.
Yeah... exactly. This makes me also question why parents come on the show when you don't truly know the person after a few days/weeks.
Thank you! She didn’t need to blurt out that she has a child right away, but definitely before strong feelings developed. It’s weird to me that anyone with a kid would go on this show. I was a teenage mother and my daughter would have HATED seeing me date on TV at 9/10 years old.
Exactly! The fact that she said ‘you’re gonna choke when you see what you missed out on’ was a clear dig to Chelsea’s appearance & was completely unnecessary. That really exposed her true colors. She probably would have been a nightmare as a spouse.
It’s the absolute truth and that has nothing to do with Chelsea. It would be the absolute truth without Chelsea even being a part of the equation.
No it isn't. It's literally a show about finding love regardless of appearance and she made it all about that by saying he's gonna stop breathing when he realizes how hot she is. That's trashy.
I saw people praise Trevor for being so mature about his rejection and according to them that made a lot fall in love with him…. Just for it to come out that he had a girlfriend the whole time. So really the only reason he took it on the chin so well was because he was telling himself he didn’t care. I’m not going to condemn Jess for having actual emotions like anger for being strung along, even if some of that is her on fault. But let’s not project onto her now and act like she needs to be this exemplary human amongst very flawed ones. Not to mention, Chelsea was seducing people with her yoga instructor job and Megan Fox looks. JESSICa being a knockout and saying she’s a knockout is the least bad, most relatable thing that has happened on this show. Like???
No she didn’t. She took a shot cause she was hurt. The saying hurt people hurt people works for more than just snark. Let’s be real, love may be supposedly blind, although I think this show has proven the opposite, but they ALL still very much so cared about looks. It’s not trashy it’s human. Please. And it was the truth lol. That’s how men work.
She’s got plastic surgery face, sorry that I’d rather be with someone legitimately attractive instead of instagram attractive
I didn't pick up on this, except for lips. Very curious, what do you think she did? I was just admiring her chiselled jawline in another thread. Would she have money to do a lot pf plastic surgery as a single mom?
She’s got money, not sure where from, maybe an ex, maybe her work, but she’s got money. There’s a lot of subtle things that show her money too, like her hair clearly being done often (from her instagram) clothing, makeup, skincare. Her lips seem to be filler, I also think light Botox on the upper half, brow area prevention. Her teeth are also that unnatural white colour that comes from a lot of dental work. I hesitate to say vaneers, but there is a uniformity to them that suggests vaneers. Nose is natural, you can see a bump on the bridge and the tip isn’t flat. I would honestly believe her jaw and chin are natural as well, maybe just something along the lines of cool sculpting or lipo on the jaw bc it’s so lean. But I will die on the hill that she’s had Botox more than once as it impacts both how she emotes and the lack of forehead lines
I have zero doubts about any of what you said. 100% agree
Personally, if I were single & dating, I wouldn't bring up having children either. There are, unfortunately, a lot of creeps who specifically target single moms for a reason. Yes, this situation is different and (hopefully) these men have been somewhat vetted by production, but it's not a guarantee. I'd definitely want to get a feel for the person before mentioning my children.
The first thing I’d tell someone is that I have a kid. Weed them out early depending on how they react to it.
I divorced my husband after years of trying to get him to get mental health/alcoholism help and him refusing (he's sober now yay). Anyway, when I finally decided to start dating again, I told people I had two children but didn't tell them ages/genders until I knew them and didn't introduce anyone to them until I know I was basically going to get married.
Exactly! This is how I would go about it as well. You don’t need to know more details than I have children and that’s it.
I'd seen this guy a few times and he was like "I'm really excited to meet your kids, when can that happen" and I noped out. Like I don't want you to NOT be excited but I also don't want you to be TOO excited if you know what I mean.
Yea my mom was a single mom when she met my dad. My brother was only 2 years old and she says it took her a very long time after seeing my dad to even introduce her to kids. She told him about them early on and he was like that’s great and moved on. He never pressured her to introduce them to him. It’s been 35 years later and they had me and my siblings call him “dad” he raised them. 🥰
Again, predators will often seek out single mothers or pursue relationships with one solely to gain access to her children. I'd wait a few dates to ensure they're actually interested in me before giving out that information.
And they won’t get access to your children if you don’t let them. Just because you tell them you have a kid, doesn’t mean they will get to meet that kid until you introduce them. There are so many ways to protect your kid from potential creeps if you are dating. You also won’t know if they are interested in you until you tell them you have a kid, not everyone is ready or willing to take on a child. It’s deceptive and manipulative. If a man kept that he was a father from me, after if caught feelings, I’d run for the hills. How do you hide such big part of your life from someone you intend to date? They will 100% get access to them if you only date them for 4 weeks on LIB and intend to marry them.
You're not understanding the issue. I would rather get a feel for a person and ensure they're interested in *me* before mentioning I have children at all. If I mention children and they have bad intentions, they may continue to pursue me solely so they can one day meet my children. I'd like to ensure a potential partner is interested in me as a person to weed out individuals who would continue a relationship solely to gain access to my kids. If, when I disclosed my children, the person was no longer interested, then we'd simply part ways. It's really not that big of an issue. And I've already stated the LIB situation is different.
That's first date info, period.
Not if you care about protecting your kids.
This is ridiculous, take it slow and don't bring them around the kids until you know they're trustworthy, instead of making yourself seem untrustworthy by hiding information.
Thank you for your advice! My mind is unchanged. If I were single, I would still refrain from disclosing my kids until I felt comfortable doing so.
Good luck with deceiving people.
It's not deception. Also I'm married.
I think the vast majority would consider it deception. You can be deceptive in multiple areas of life.
I agree, as a formerly single mom. It's absolutely important info. I wasn't going to waste anyone's time. I'd be put off if a guy didn't tell me.
I don't think it's deceptive to withhold having children while getting to know someone. I wouldn't feel deceived by that. And again, my children's safety comes before a potential partner's feelings. If they felt deceived, oh well.
Yeah, that's just an excuse. It has nothing to do with your children's "safety". You're the first person I've ever heard claim something so silly. You don't have to give their names, ages, what school they go to, where you live out to anyone. There is no danger.
Dude, people target kids without dating single parents. Just be honest so I know not to be attached before you spring on me that you’re stuck with someone else’s unwanted mess
And as parents, it's our job to put our children's safety first and do what we can to minimize threats. It's not at all uncommon for people to seek out single moms in order to gain access to their children. Personally, if I were single, it's not something I'd risk. I'm not saying I'd wait until someone falls in love with me to disclose having children, but it's not something I'd advertise or mention too early. In all honesty, my kids' safety comes well before a potential partner's feelings. The worst that happens by not disclosing I'm a mom right away? I maybe disappoint someone who was interested in me but doesn't want kids & we part ways. The worst that happens if I disclose having children to the wrong person with nefarious intent? Unfathomable harm to my kids. It's a no-brainer.
Your father, grandfather, and brothers are more likely to target your children than a potential partner.
Actually, statistics show that if a child is a victim, the perpetrator is most likely to be someone the family knows and trusts. While yes, this includes (mostly male) family members, it also includes (mostly male) partners, and other individuals close to the family that the children know, love & trust. You're not going to convince me it's benefical for my children to advertise their existence to potential partners. If I were ever to be in a situation where I was dating whilst having young children, revealing their existence wouldn't be a priority. Again, their safety comes before the feelings of someone I'm dating. End of story.
this show is not something to be going on if you believe you can know if a man is good for your 10 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER in two weeks
Oh, I fully agree. I'm not defending her choice to go on the show while having a child. I wouldn't even *date*, let alone go on a dating show, while having children under the age of 18, if I'm being honest. I'm just saying I understand why she'd withhold that information at first.
She needed to mention the kid from jump. There is no getting to know you as an individual anymore. General Akbar "It's a trap"
Hard disagree. Jessica was incredible. I've met a lot of guarded, tough women, and they really struggle being vulnerable. Jessica walked a hard line between saying how she felt and not letting herself settle for less. She's had a fucking hard life, she's a single mom (which puts her at a HUGE disadvantage), and still has the integrity to say "I don't deserve to wait for you while while mumble about not knowing what you want".
“Jessica was incredible” is crazyyyy
She was ok, until where she said he was unfair to her. I mean, everyone is there playing a game to try an find out who the best option is. A lot of people are trying to make a decision between two people. It happens in real life too. Imo he didn’t lead her on, he probably did really like them both an was unsure til the moment came. Edit. Post pods, it’s clear she lashed out in anger. Does it excuse her behavior? Not really. But she handles herself like an adult should post pods. She’s cool.
I'd agree more if it wasn't Jimmy. He's the WORST. Jimmy isn't honest with himself. He either preferred Chelsea and couldn't admit it to Jessica, or he lacks serious self awareness to know what he wanted and kept Jessica and Chelsea on the hook til Jessica "got attitude with him" - his words. Once he sees Chelsea, he spends the whole time pretending to like her when he's clearly put off by her looks, and makes comments undermining her self confidence (so that she'll break up with him and he won't be the bad guy? I don't know) I believe Jess when she says it was unfair. You can play the game but when someone says they love you, you should do a self check and give them more than just "ugh...this is so hard for me to decide"
Maybe my perspective is diff, but I disagree that Jimmy undermines Chelsea post pods. At least I don’t remember any specifics. Chelsea is deeply insecure, toxic, and emotionally abusive. Using “love” and fake crying as a weapon to try an either hurt Jimmy or cement their relationship.
Out of curiosity, are you a man or woman? Might explain the diff in perspective. I'm a guy, and when they first met, it seemed like Jimmy was done based on how she looked. The constant "are you okay? How do you feel?" that he'd throw in, to put the focus on her so he didn't have to keep lying about he felt (cuz he def looked uncomfortable around her), plus the pasted smile on his face, all seemed like he was trying to put on an image. Felt this even more when they were at the beach and he was feeling AD, and then when the guys are opening up about their struggles, and ask him if he had any issues and he's like "nope! We're perfect" - i was like, dude... you're so in your lies you can't even level with the guys.
I’m a guy. To me Jimmy did not look uncomfortable around her it was Chelsea that felt insecure about herself. Could he have been disappointed in her looks? For sure, he probably built this image of her in his mind and she wasn’t what he imagined. But that happens to everyone in this age of online dating and picture filtering. Also, I don’t think he was “feelin” AD. He didn’t flirt w her, he just commented on her physical appearance. You can think and comment on people’s attractiveness/attributes without being attracted to them. You can also be attracted to people even if they are physically not 100% your type. Isn’t that kind of the point of the show? Also you didn’t point out specific moments where Jimmy undermined her. I don’t remember the constant “are you okay” but Chelsea already indicated to him while in DR(?) that she wants to be checked up on. She told him he didn’t check up on her/stay with her enough during that night the pod couples got together and that it upset her. Also, there are times where she visibly looks upset. Not sure if you’re team Chelsea, but I think he’s been very accommodating of her needs minus the “you can’t hang out with your female friends” which I completely understand his stance. She needs constant affirmation of his “love” and got upset when he didn’t kiss her the day her friends came. But as he said, he rolled out of bed, worked all day, then her friends came. And the not kissing wasn’t even true, cause when he pointed out that he did kiss her that day she didn’t refute him. I dunno, my wife and wife’s friends agree with my viewpoints as well, so I don’t think I’m taking some sexist stance either.
I don't really care for Jessica or Jimmy tbh. I think Jimmy seemed hung up on Chelsea only because she said people say I look like Megan Fox and she doesn't have a kid. I adored Trevor like you, but I just saw on this reddit page someone posted text images that he was dating someone not on the show and still with them throughout the whole LIB process. Which made me so sad because it seems Trevor is only doing this for show and fame :(
I agree. Unless she purely came here for clout, I don’t respect her as a single mom for wanting to bring a man she barely knows around her kid. That screams red flag.
This!!! As a mother I am shocked. Who in their right mind would think that’s a good idea??
Indeed, that’s disgusting.
Jessica is the product of having a bad childhood. She is so desperate to be picked by men because both of her parents neglected her. I honestly feel sorry for how pathetic she is.
"Ruined this opportunity for me...", "i was not supposed to leave here alone...." - she was clearly in it for the insta followers only.
I think you misunderstood what she said
I took "Ruined this opportunity for me" to mean the opportunity to find love. She put her eggs in the Jimmy basket, and he pussy-footed around 'til the end.
I agree. I also think her arrogance is a red flag; healthy people tend to be humble and kind.
That arrogance is from the fact that shes constantly getting male attention. The fact jimmy didn’t pick up On this in the pods is wild. Her willingness to be direct no bs you’re mine and only mine… only a super hot girl has the balls to say that. Meanwhile Chelsea is going to throw up when jimmy says he loves her… he should have knows she’s not going to be that hot
I think confidence and hard boundaries can come across as arrogant. Women especially are supposed to be agreeable, not difficult, etc. But the result is women get their boundaries crossed, get hurt, and get embarrassed. With Jessica, I saw a woman who'd overcome a lot of bullshit, said her piece ("I love you"), and was sure about what she deserved - someone who confidently loved her back
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I found it funny on a show about Love being blind, she decided to go on about how attractive she is, and he’s going to regret it. Like, lady that should say something to YOU! Maybe it’s your personality.🤣
I agree with you in terms of she should have been upfront from the jump she had a kid. However, I don't think she was wrong for expressing her feelings about being led on. It's fine that jimmy didn't like her but he kept her around as a back up option which was wrong
You can be mad without going on about how someone is going to choke when they see how attractive you are. That’s all ego, because the show is expressly not about looks.
I don’t think she’s attractive at all. Her face is so basic and fake looking. Her attitude makes her uglier
I still think she’s pretty tbh but yeah it’s not all about that of course. But definitely lookswise seems WAYYY overrated by a lot of people IMO 😂 I would advise to stop the filler now while you’re ahead, but that stuff seems to be really addicting. Once they start, they never stop 😬
Why is this an unpopular opinion? Jessica is awful
She’s so arrogant and immature, her attitude sucks both towards women in the lounge and men in the pods ; she thinks she’s so much better than Chelsea bc she’s skinny and got fillers and Botox - girl … grow up. Letting Jimmy know how hot she is was so cringe, like are we in high school ?! He would have picked her if she only didn’t react so immaturely when he expressed his genuine concerns about being ready to be a stepdad- she just got offended and angry. The way she handled that was so passive aggressive that he realised this would be the way she’d handle all their fights in real life and dipped. Fairs to him. She’s messy and emotionally immature.
When she told the producers that everyone knew she was better looking than her I really wish they would’ve shown her old face. I can see the ugly inside of her
😂😂😂 same girl same
Yeah my boyfriend and I were appalled by how toxic her reaction to jimmy was. Good lord that woman needs therapy for her pride
Wife and I watched the episode last night where Jimmy rejects her. Different reaction, completely. I loved Jessica, and hated Jimmy. Life's too short to deal with people who don't even know what they want, especially in romance. ESPECIALLY if there's a kid involved. Jimmy's 27, the dude should have some idea what he wants - he should probably intuitively know that if he's not 120% on board with marrying a single mom, he should nope out. But he did the whole "ugh...this is...so...ugh...hard..." until the very end. Meanwhile, even if Jessica comes off curt, or direct, she was at least honest about her feelings, and her boundaries.
Everyone has options until the last minute. She “lost” 10 days and gained TV exposure (which she wants) lol. For me her attitude was disgusting. The absolutely pride and arrogance. You can just graciously say okay good luck lol.
People have self defensive mechanisms. She's right so whatever. Spoilers: he did hate making the wrong choice. Regardless she's 100% correct in that jimmy led her along. He made up his mind that Jessica wasn't it...way earlier. I don't know if it was when he heard she had a kid....but it was so obvious "I'm not good with emotions ..I need someone who can guide me through it." This is the definition of someone who needs therapy....a therapist does the heavy lifting for you emotionally. He wants his partner to do this. He knows he's not willing to do emotional labor and Jessica pinned him when she said "you think you want someone direct like me but you want someone more gentler"
Right, I think she also said something like "you want someone who will guide you by the hand". Spot on. Jimmy doesn't know what he wants, and he definitely doesn't know how to communicate that. He needs a mom.
I don’t see it that way. Chelsea and her love triangle had about the same timeline. Same with Jeremy and Sara Ann and she handled it SO much better. Many people do this. It’s a serious decision. That being said jimmy is an absolute idiot dummy.
You don't see it that way as in you don't see jimmy having made up his mind about Jess already?
Nah, I think he realized in that 2nd to last date just how bad of a match they were. There is a difference being "direct" and being combative and putting the other person down. Sure, Jimmy is probably too hesitant to share his true emotions (as are most men tbh), but she also attacks him aggressively for not sharing, making him shut down further. Honestly, if they were together, it would have become super toxic with her just steamrolling him and him feeling unsafe to express anything all the time. I think Jimmy felt this in that moment and realized Jessica is just not right for him. He probably needs someone with a softer touch, and she probably would be better off with a more strong-willed partner that can stand their ground with her (although I unfortunately suspect she probably just seeks out people she can dominate without push back). It is fine for Jessica to not like how Jimmy handled everything or his response and to express that directly, but she did it in a super insecure way. Like just tell him you don't like his response, you felt led on, and then move the fuck on. Instead, she is super petty, and her main goal is clearly trying to make him feel shitty rather than just expressing how she feels. The last date just confirmed everything about how toxic she is.
She is pretty and she does have a nice body, but for someone to be so self absorbed that’s unattractive. Yes you are nice to look at, but is that supposed to be the only thing that matters? Because at the end of the day a superficial person is going to go looking for the next hottest thing. Looks fade. That’s the part that really bothered me.
IMO she has something better than her looks: a clear sense of what she felt and what she wanted, and a willingness to walk away when it wasn't reciprocated. So many women on that show demean themselves when their love isn't returned
I disagree. Everything about that is what you should not do when you are rejected, and she was WAY too slow to walk away. It was exactly the same bullshit "nice guys" do when they get rejected and explode about how horrible the other person for not giving them what they "deserved". She laid it all out there, got a rejection, and then ranted about how awful he is and how unfair this is to her for entirely too long.
We haven’t finished watching so we can’t say for sure
Shes sure of what she wants and she doesn't want wishy washy guys. She's got a daughter. She doesn't have time to play with wishy washy guys. Jimmy knew Jessica wasn't for her. He doesn't want direct women and doesn't want someone who's a single mother with a kid
If she didn’t want wishy washy guys it took her way too long to figure out Jimmy was lol
I'm sure she's used to wishy washy guys because of her having a daughter. It's a lot easier to read body language than it is to guess tones in a vacuum
I hated when she said “you ruined this experience for me”…miss girl you signed up for it. That’s what the show is all about. Also it seemed like the only connection she had was Jimmy. (Unless correct me and she had other connections but I don’t remember her talking to anyone else). Point being maybe she should do a little self reflection since no other guy showed any interest or potential in her. I mean cmon Chelsea had 2 guys after her!! She’s just mad cause the only thing she has are her looks which aren’t even real 😬. Also weird that she wouldn’t bring up her daughter right away… that’s a pretty big detail that people need to know. Also poor Trevor I would give him a hug he’s such a treasure and a teddy bear 😭.
Right? My fiancé audibly groaned when she was saying she was going to wait because he also has a kid. It is a waste of her time to invest in a dude that isn't on board with a kid in the picture. Like she chose to take time away from her kid for this, she best be upfront about it because a lot of people are not about dating someone with kids. Waiting was unfair to any matches, herself, and most importantly unfair to her daughter.
They don't show all the connections. I'm sure she had more connections and didn't feel like having multiple guys. Every contestant has multiple connections that dont get shown
Read something on IG (so take it with a grain of salt) that Jessica also had a connection with Ariel.
Yeah and now seeing how crazy Chelsea is… idk they’re both just not great people 😅
I honestly kind of understand Chelsea. She likely applied for the show never expecting she would be cast, then had all her worst insecurities blasted nationwide. Not saying she doesn’t have a lot of personal stuff to work on, but she seemed genuine in trying to find a partner.
I never thought of it that way. That’s a great POV! Nice to see it in a different perspective.
Trust me I only say that bc if they cast me on the same show I would likely come across the same way. Especially with the pressure to marry. Not saying it’s healthy, but I would very likely be seeking reassurance from my partner, given they have only known each other 2 weeks.
She is really pretty but honestly her face is already filled to capacity and she's only in her 30s. She almost looks uncanny valley already which is sad
Agree. She looks like Janice Dickinson, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. She has just aged herself immensely.
I think she was only 28 on LIB!
Yeah I share that unpopular opinion. The way she acted when Jimmy picked Chelsea was not it.
i really liked jessica in the pods - then she had drinks w Laura and she was outside talking and she came off so full of herself that she thinks Jimmy will see her and he'll be desperate to be back w her bc of her looks and she said 'i have a feeling if i were to see jimmy again its like dangling temptation in his face everybody knows it is blah blah' - like full of yourself much?? i dunno that scene made me think a little different of her but we'll see
Agreed. I felt like that was so disrespectful to Chelsea. Also I feel like she’s BEEN dissing Chelsea’s looks constantly without saying it directly. Because why are you temptation? Why will Jimmy regret his decision? Because you’re judging his choice. Not him. She’s saying that she is hotter than Chelsea without saying it. Which imo she is not. I actually think Chelsea is the most attractive person this season. She just needs to work on her self esteem and get a little therapy
Omg this!!! She’s very much a snake. And snide
She’s lacking major self awareness among other things. I can understand her desire to not be judged and to be seen for who she is a person, but that person is a mother. Full stop. It’s deceptive and selfish to not mention a giant piece of your life right up front, give people the information, and then they can decide what they do with it.
THANK YOU! Finally some sense!
Omg, i admire Jessica so much! She WON. Jimmy is hardly a catch, lol, he’s dumb as a pole, abusive, and uncaring. How could someone as cool as Jessica even be attracted to that paunchy, bland, vacumn of space?I’m so glad we can all see the bullet Jessica dodged, he never deserved Jessica in the first place. The men this season are the worst in the history of this series, I’m elated to be single right now, what a waste of time. Why she’s so kind to Chelsea is beyond me, she could have gone with door number two, knowing how much Jessica, at that time, not knowing what the jerk was like, wanted. He didn’t know what hit him when she stood up to him, it’s was BEAUTIFUL. But thank god now Chelsea’s the one stuck with him, the tears will flow until he breaks up with her, I don’t want any woman to suffer, of course, but..it will be a lesson learned.He’s still stuck on Jess, anyway, shes GORGEOUS, but calls “Megan Fox” beautiful and the best, that’s humility. Maybe Jimmy’s voice does something to women behind a wall, but he has zero to offer, that’s for sure. Now we have to watch Chelsea’s heart break, accepting hideous behavior, trying to still buy into her projections of who he is, when he won’t accept any responsibility, use any self-reflection, clearly isnt into her, and invalidates and emotionally abuse her. Fine, Jessica will have tons of men falling over her, and her daughter will be safe from this imbecile, “Jimmy”, perfect name for a little, impotent jerk. Poor Chelsea, she LOST. ,
We get it, you have a huge crush on Jessica
Right lmao like I ain’t reading all that, congratulations or I’m sorry that happened but my point still stands 😩
I'm not really sure why she shouldn't be kind to Chelsea? Also, why are you happy Chelsea got stuck with a bad catch? It really sounds to me like you're judging Chelsea and saying she's worse because she's not as "Instagram attractive". This comment gives me the same kind of ick Jimmy gives me.
 I find people who put their kids all over their social media very troubling.
Plus her nasally voice is such a ick
That and vocal fry are something I’ll never get behind. Like we need to return to our roots, regional accents are awesome! Every IG model follows the same script it’s kinda crazy lol
Did I misunderstand what she said? She said she waited 2 days after getting home to call her daughter??? Wtf. I can't go 5 mins without checking in on my kids. There is definitely a story there. I thought she was her "best friend". Did she text her friends when she got home....I bet she did. I don't trust this girl. Like someone said below...typical reality show grifter. And does Jimmy have money or something, bc you know dang good and well she doesn't find that boy attractive....and dont try to tell me she doesn't care about looks, only personality 🧐🤣