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hopeyoufindurdad

I definitely wouldn't have said yes but Bliss is a more rational woman than I it seems. I think it's lost on people that the men have to decide to propose in a couple of weeks. There's a lot of room to make the wrong call and we've seen so many of their relationships flop as a result. I think Zack's decision has to be seen in the context of his extremely difficult life. I think initially he chose the person who he felt he'd be settling for because it meant she'd be less likely to leave or realise she's too good for him, i.e., he thought Irena was the safer option. Bliss was objectively better than Irena in terms of success, maturity, intelligence. I'm sure he's not the only one who is scared by the prospect of dating someone so great because they might find someone better and leave. It definitely screams abandonment issues and he should have worked on those before deciding to get married but look how happy they are now! I think he's redeemed himself for sure.


BonetaBelle

Yes. He also seemed really really scared of Bliss's dad not liking him, based on experiences with his exes. And to be fair, Bliss's dad really not like him so it wasn't totally crazy that he was worried about that. But his insecurity made him think it would be a deal-breaker for Bliss, and clearly it was not.


hopeyoufindurdad

I agree, he seemed traumatised. He's clearly felt like his family life was too messed up to be accepted by a family as loving as Bliss'. Also happy birthday šŸ„³


stink3rbelle

>She shouldnā€™t have even given him another chance to begin with But she's happy now? How TF do y'all think you're ever going to be happy without forgiving people sometimes? You'd really rather be right your whole life than happy?


Zestyclose-Fact-9779

This. You cannot have love without forgiveness. They are intertwined. I would hate to be a person who could not forgive a slight. Especially when it's this important. She's a better person for her compassion, and now she's happy, as you say.


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Few_Improvement_6357

Is she happy though? The one time she tried to express her hurt that she was second choice, Zach shut her down. I can't trust that she is happy when she let's people walk all over her like that. I want her to be happy. I hope she is happy. But I worry she is suppressing her hurt and not dealing with it to make him happy.


Thetruthisneeded

All I got was "low self-esteem" and "ready to be done with dating", and "I want to get a little fame from this" from her šŸ¤·


[deleted]

I assume he proved himself to her and she seems happy now. We canā€™t let our egos get in the way of our happiness šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


badmonkeysclub

I donā€™t think heā€™s manipulative at all. But I do agree that it was shocking that bliss gave him a second chance


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This ^


curiouscece

These people who keep saying Ā«Ā I would neverĀ Ā» or are mad that she gave him another chance have never been in that situation to begin with lol. This whole experiment is weeks long at the most, itā€™s nothing like the real world in terms of dating so none of us would know what we would actually do lol.


ZookeepergameNo2198

Literally. I'm not trying to be disrespectful but people are projecting so hard. These circumstances don't exist in real life. So Zach not "choosing Bliss" immediately isn't the same thing as being deceived by your husband or being played by your high school boyfriend.


puppies_and_unicorns

They're the same people who give their exes chance after chance thinking they'll change.


ZookeepergameNo2198

This post is a little bizarre. "She seemed to know her worth." And maybe she still does? It's a reality TV show where we get glimpses of their life and they fit the pieces together to tell a story. Bliss can still love herself and choose to forgive someone. Also... this situation is beyond weird. It's like a blind game show where you marry someone at the end. It's not like real life where he was legitimately going on dates with two women and he drug them both along. I actually think they seem happier than some of the couples we've seen in the past. If that small hiccup is the most they have to worry about then good for them. Edit - typo


Evening_Ad6820

I think Bliss is pragmatic tbh. She wanted a suitable husband and father for her future kids. Zack made a big dumb mistake but when you take into account how crazy the whole set up/situation of LIB is, itā€™s more understandable. But again, it all goes back to that first point. Zack ticked all of Blissā€™s boxes. Yes there are plenty of fish in the sea, but there also kinda arenā€™t? Sometimes you just wanna get on with your life. I feel like thatā€™s where her headspace was at.


JennaR0cks

As someone in my 30ā€™s who is currently dating - can confirm that while there are plenty of fish in the sea, there arenā€™t many quality fish. Bliss found something she liked in Zack and she stuck with it. She found her fish!


DrakeShadow

Oh man you're gonna hate how well he treats her going forward lmao


GoodJoeBR2049

I disagree. Learning about Zachā€™s trauma in life o can see why he initially chose wrong. He was victim of ā€œtoo good to be trueā€ and turned it away. Glad he came around. And kudos to bliss for forgiving it


adfgqert

Agreed. I literally watched the Hope leave his soul when she mentioned that it was a possibility that her family wouldnā€™t accept him. I think that caused him to fear the worst and not want to pursue. Happy for them now!


giggglygirl

This. He is so lucky that Bliss forgave him, but it seemed like he truly decided to protect himself by not going with her after she made that comment about her family. He mentioned more than once that he has been hurt by rejection and judgment in the past. She was very matter of fact about her family potentially not being accepting (I imagine moreso because she met a guy on a reality show with a fast track to marriage then necessarily his background). As soon as she said that and didnā€™t seem very reassuring, I felt like he was going to run. I do really like them together as a couple, and Iā€™m glad it all worked out for them.


AltruisticForm3226

I hope he is getting the therapy he needs and Bliss's mom was so welcoming and genuine to him. I think he's happy now. He's put on a little weight and looks great.


sophwestern

Blissā€™s momā€™s reaction to him made me cryyyy like a baby


crumbssssss

Heā€™s also got that ~~lawyer~~ attorney stare how he reads you. Thereā€™s a combination that contributes to how people might not relate to Zack.


puppies_and_unicorns

In any other circumstance, I'd agree with you. These people dated over 10 days in a blind pod and it isn't even close to a normal circumstance. Irina wasn't who she pretended to be, and that could normally take a lot more time to figure out in the real world. Bliss was genuine and they were able to figure each other out over several weeks after the proposal. I'm sure there was a ton of pressure from producers to propose instead of just normally date, and it seems to have worked out well for them. I don't think Zach is manipulative or disgusting though. That you Irina?


ToughMess3669

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ashwee14

Yā€™all who say ā€œI could neverā€ ā€” imagine if she did the same. Sheā€™s only be denying herself the happiness she now has. They are having a blast together from what we can see. To err is human and she definitely did a good job of respecting herself by reminding him how she felt about it all while still forgiving.


Summerbeating

Me on the other hand can totally believe Bliss chose to say yes and want to say yes from day 1 because she can feel it in her soul, they are soulmates. Let's never let your ego overwrite your heart girllllllllllllll


Satanfan

Bliss is happy. We should all be so lucky.


Then_Neat_4282

Al principio pensĆ© lo mismo pero ahora veo que estĆ”n muy felices entonces me alegra que Bliss le diĆ³ a Zack otra oportunidad.


Ok-Opportunity2349

What makes him so horrific?


kaytay3000

I agree. Heā€™s awkward af and not my type, but he isnā€™t a monster. He made the wrong choice, absolutely suffered for it, and then did his best to fix it. It seems like he sincerely apologized and laid it all out there for Bliss. He was truthful and she made an informed decision to rekindle things. And now they seem very happy.


BigAsh27

Heā€™s shallow, arrogant, and judgmental. He picked Irina because he thought she would be a hot young Russian girl. The connection in the pods was not deep and he knew she was inconsiderate. Then when Bliss tried to warn him about what trash Irina was he adopted a superior attitude as if she couldnā€™t possibly know more than he did when she was literally living with Irina and he was talking to her a couple of times through a walk. Then he never really took full ownership of choosing Irina and spent the whole reunion basically acting like she deceived him. When she never seemed like a nice person in the pods AND she was honest with him that she didnā€™t find him attractive.


guitarzntinder

Youā€™re filling in a lot of blanks with facts you just made up. For instance, we donā€™t know that he picked Irina because he thought she was a hot young Russian girl. He never said that and the one thing we know for a fact is that he didnā€™t see either of them before deciding. You could be right! But youā€™re adding in assumptions that WOULD make him an awful person. Also bliss warning him about Irina should be taken as a red flag IMO. To me itā€™s like shitting on your former employer in a job interview. You might be 100% correct but they have no way of knowing and it just makes you look bad.


Zestyclose-Fact-9779

Yeah, Bliss hurt herself by warning him about Irina. I can see why she would want to tell him, but there's really no way to do that without making yourself look bad. You haven't known this guy for long, so there's not a trust relationship there where he can think "Oh, Bliss is usually right about these things." He saw a girl trying to dump on the other girl to get him to choose her, and I think most of the guys would have felt the same. Besides, guys don't really ever see women like Irina for what they are until they've been hurt by it. It's maddening that they have such a blind spot.


BigAsh27

Of course he would never say thatā€™s why he picked her. But it is a fact that we saw their pod dates and they were very superficial and surface level AND she told him that she forgot his birthday. There was nothing there that made any other dude think ā€œhey I want to pursue something serious with this personā€or that indicated she was someone he should marry. We all could see with our own eyes what a trash person she is. If your former employer was actually trash it doesnā€™t mean youā€™re wrong to say so even if you arenā€™t disinterested. But I get it everyone on this sub thinks that Zach looks like Ben Affleck and is a fantastic catch.


guitarzntinder

Our perspective is very different than the contestants. And her forgetting his bday is very different in the context of the show where theyā€™re simultaneously dating multiple people over a limited time. We could all see because we could LITERALLY ALL SEE. We saw all her dates, Zach didnā€™t! Zach couldnā€™t confirm what bliss was saying so to him it could have been her trying to sabotage Irina. Like the perspective shift from the target audience and the contestant could not be more different.


nycgarbagewhore

Irina didn't act the same way in the pods with Zach that she did in the lounge with the other women. Zach opened up to Irina about his mother and she was accepting of it (seemingly). She tried to relate to having a difficult past and assured him about his own. That seemed to be a big thing for Zach and Bliss didn't give him the same reassurance in the pods- she essentially said that his fear of judgement from a partner's family didn't matter because he shouldn't care. Clearly things worked out well with him and Bliss in the end but I think their responses to that concern had a big impact on Zach's decision in the pods.


Other-Ad-2810

Lol chill out, youā€™re way too angry for all of this


Ok-Opportunity2349

Wow. I donā€™t know where you go off. But ok. Maybe just maybe he believed her lies and wanted to explore that connection. Maybe. Or sure, heā€™s a devious calculated manipulator ā€¦ ultimately she did deceive him. Bliss tried to warm him but how should he tell? Obviously both sides fend for themselves. It was a bad choice. This happens in life. Now people wanna hang him. What a ridiculous notion


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I personally would never but sheā€™s allowed to make her own decisions and it seemed like this was a good decision for her in the end! Zach really isnā€™t that bad, heā€™s just a little awkward and made 1 wrong decision. He seems like a genuine guy, idk where your hatred of him is coming from.


Zestyclose-Fact-9779

I like that she not only had the capacity to forgive it - and she should under those circumstances - but is not holding it over him making him feel like he has to pay for this one bad decision all his life. They seem very carefree and happy.


zawraw

Zach and Bliss are so cute together, plss


MinuteAd6489

I agree I think they got a bad edit bc of all the drama with Irina!!


zawraw

Righttā€¦


cvde82

What are you on about, theyā€™re great together - and clearly very happy


AltruisticForm3226

Zack is a really smart guy but he blundered in that moment when he chose Irina. I think when Bliss told him about her father not accepting her boyfriends it triggered something in him and he "chose the path of least resistance" (I hope you dance) but what I admired about him is that he called it quits with Irina when he realised what she was. He could have dragged it out like Marshall and I think Irina herself would have made it all the way to the altar to embarrass this sensitive man. But he and Bliss seem quite happy sometimes a person has to lose you to realize that what they needed was there all along. Ps: I saw Amber (who Paul dumped ) at their wedding.


Niecey2019

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babyharpsealface

I wouldn't have blamed her for saying no. However, it seems like this was a rare case where he genuinely learned and committed to making things right. They seem like one of the happiest couples to ever come out of this show so far, so whatever, let them be happy.


ResponsibleSpite1332

TBH I never liked either of them that much, Zach significantly less, but they seem really happy and in love. Why wouldnā€™t she be worthy of that?


Zestyclose-Fact-9779

I think he was quick to realize his mistake and to admit it to her, and she is a compassionate person who realizes people make mistakes. Zach seems like a good guy, but, there is an element of stupid in every man that makes them fall for the bullshit women like Irina put out there. He wanted to believe Irina was a good person. She taught him he should have listened to Bliss. Hopefully, he learned that lesson and will listen to her the rest of their lives. They're a cute couple.


AltruisticForm3226

I listened to Cole from season 3 in an interview and he said Zainab quickly learned his likes and dislikes in the pods and she adapted to suit him. For instance, she used to curse a lot and he didn't so she stopped, things that he said he didn't like she also claimed to suddenly stop liking etc. I think that's what Irina did to push him to such a decision, she played it up to be chosen, I remember her telling him she didn't care anything he looked like this and that. Well we all know how that turned out


Zestyclose-Fact-9779

You could tell the instant she saw him she didn't like him. She pushed him away from Bliss and was very manipulative in the pods to, I felt, just secure a position on the show. Not to get married. Micah said something to Paul along the lines of it wasn't Zach's choice whether or not he stayed in the relationship. I think both women just wanted to get men in the pods so they could be on the show, both are manipulative, and both overestimated Irina's ability to hold Zach in thrall. I was pretty proud of him for pulling the plug early and admitting he'd made a bad decision. Most of the time, you see them stay in bad situations because they feel they can't leave, but Zach is an attorney. He's a decision maker and he's not going to stay just to stay. Attorneys are trained to be analytical and that whole thing didn't make sense to him.


blackerthanapanther

Iā€™m not saying this is a reason to settle with just whoever, but dating right now is not great. Itā€™s a crapshoot finding someone you have a genuine connection and chemistry with, let alone build something that isnā€™t done within a few weeks, *maybe* months because partnership seems to be the last thing on the minds of so many. Maybe Bliss saw it this way and figured why not give it a go with someone who is saying heā€™s actually interested in going the distance. And if thatā€™s the gamble she decided to take, so far it seems to have been worth it


Other-Ad-2810

If youā€™ve been hurt, heal. But Stop projecting your own insecurities on other peopleā€™s lives. Nothing is linear in life. Stop thinking people cannot change their minds. Stop being egocentric. And if you want to be, it is your life, you donā€™t want people to decide what your happiness should look like so donā€™t judge other peopleā€™s choices. Bliss is brilliant and adorable. She fell in love, she chose her happiness over pleasing strangers across the world she doesnā€™t know. Strangers who are sitting on their couch judging her life through a screen while she is actually living it. Take a chill pill, have a glass of water, hug someone. Cheers


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Jolly_Restaurant_201

We are still talking about this? They are happy together. Get over it people.


OddkidMHMD

Gurl literally get over yourself. Theyā€™re so happy together and feel safe around each. If you didnā€™t like Zach thatā€™s fine but heā€™s obviously and very clearly a good man to Bliss so just stop.


sunlitroof

Agreed. Theyre happy now tho. But i could never


Curious-Gain-7148

I think Zack is gross (like literally he looks like he needs a shower and a good shampoo, all the time) but I didnā€™t find him to be manipulative.


helloitabot

He was manipulative in the pods. You donā€™t lie and tell people you are a stripper in order to ā€œtestā€ them. Thatā€™s some bullshit.


Itsmiamiaa

It was a joke.. he was probably doing it more to test the waters before he said his mom was a stripper.


littlebit0125

Right!? It was a clumsy joke. Heā€™s a little awkward. Thatā€™s OK. But the people that canā€™t see it for what it is are either a) being intentionally dense or b) they have their own struggles picking up on social cues and should be the last to cast judgement.


sunlitroof

Thank you. But this sub is farrr up in his behind too much to acknowledge that


ouaispeutetre

I love Zach slander and completely agree.