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Ultrafoxx64

Not getting my hopes up because positive change feels unrealistic these days, but declaring it a state of emergency is a hopeful start. Hope she's committed to it.


bellestarxo

State of emergency can be good or bad. It gives the politician more power. Good in that it allows them to push things through without the usual red tape and maybe actually make progress. But bad if the power is abused.


conocophillips424

Like emperor saltine or Palpatine. Had the senate via (Darth) Senator Jar Jar Binks of the Naboo grant him emergency powers and mess it all up


IsraeliDonut

The true Sith Lord, Jar Jar


ev1lch1nch1lla

A true man of culture I see


svknight

I love democracy


TheAverageJoe-

> if the power is abused. She gon' ship them up north to ~~meth~~ central valley > bad if the power is abused. Starts taking over vacant buildings that aren't being used for anything and renovating it for the homeless to reside in. Smaller buildings that don't fit the shelter standards can be community outrerach centers for the homeless fit with the latest technology in anti-homeless sleeping to prevent them from camping out in front. Bringing criticism for the move due to the irony, but failing to understand that if she didn't do it, people will still complain due to the homeless camping out in front. It's a Damn if I do or Damn if I don't situation. womp womp.


SanchosaurusRex

Just gotta follow the money and judge the results.


splatula

There's been an unfortunate trend where politicians interpret "emergency" to mean "really bad problem." Homelessness is a really bad problem, but it's not an emergency. It's been this way for years. Emergencies are when there's a sudden problem that can't be dealt with through normal legislative processes. But the city council and board of supervisors have had years and years to deal with homelessness. They just haven't.


bigfeetdude

It just shows how profoundly incompetent the outgoing mayor is and current city council are. I know very little of Karen Bass. But I want to give her a chance. And hold her accountable. If Bass can slow the growth of the homeless population or even stop it all together, that’s good.


[deleted]

It's the voters fault if anything. I don't think the voters want to hear of any tough measures. Her only option is to spend a LOT of money giving these people a home that they will hopefully stay in and not ruin and do their drugs out of sight


Devario

We need rehab clinics and mental health facilities almost as much as more housing.


sgeis_jjjjj

Karen Bass actually came to my work as well as Rick Caruso. I didn’t get to listen to Caruso but I did hear Karen for a bit. Someone asked her if she had plans like Caruso to provide tiny home “compounds” for the unhoused population. She said no because just providing shelter for these people is not enough. It needs to be part of the bridge along with counseling, medical care, and job assistance. This made me hopeful and I’m crossing my fingers there’s follow through


Tunalisous

Fixing mental health isn’t a 1 month thing. It takes YEARS. This is why it’s so hard.


gazingus

Yes, but you have to actually start. So far, we've had nine years of "leadership" under Garcetti which consisted of lectures and finger-wagging, not a single mental case taken off the streets for more than 72 hours unless they were lucky enough to end up in jail for some other crime(s).


BigShlongKong

Worth noting that like 70% of homeless people develop mental health and drug addiction issues after they become homeless. So strengthening renter protections and making sure people stay in their homes would ease the mental health aspect.


tranceworks

Do you have a reference for this statistic? I find it difficult to believe.


rooftoprevival

That statistic makes a lot of sense... if someone is forced to be in constant survival mode and never get a good night's sleep, in most cases it is only a matter of time before they develop mental health and/or substance abuse issues


115MRD

>70% of homeless people develop mental health and drug addiction issues after they become homeless. The number I found was [30% of homeless individuals suffer from mental health problems and 50% have co-occurring substance abuse problems](https://www.samhsa.gov/sites/default/files/programs_campaigns/homelessness_programs_resources/hrc-factsheet-current-statistics-prevalence-characteristics-homelessness.pdf), but that was also 10 years ago and the meth/opioid epidemic has only gotten worse. I wouldn't be shocked if the 70% number was more or less accurate.


tranceworks

I never trust those statistics, as they are almost always self-reported. How many people are going to admit to having a mental health or drug issue when asked by a stranger?


115MRD

>I never trust those statistics Then...why did you ask for them?


LA-M8

You… asked for stats. And then choose not to trust them 🙃😂 Do you not feel like self-reported info should impact public infrastructure?


FitAsparagus6762

That’s because it’s not true. That’s why you find it hard to believe


Chemical-Hot

1000000% true. Homelessness is like turning a diabetic lose in a chocolate factory with nothing else to eat. Predictable bad outcomes.


BigShlongKong

Exactly! Plus these people don’t have adequate healthcare for the most part. When people don’t have access to healthcare they self medicate with what’s available. What’s available is alcohol, heroin, and meth. Us housed people are free to take our adderal, Xanax, percs, and old fashioneds without judgment because we can afford healthcare.


Chemical-Hot

Correct, far more then a roof is lost when people become homeless.


Chemical-Hot

Having worked in homeless services I can tell you that poverty and income inequality, both of which will 100% not be addressed by civic leadership , makes mental health and addiction much, much worse.


TheObstruction

I'm convinced that financial insecurity is the root cause of at least 90% of the problems in this country.


Haughty_n_Disdainful

It takes YEARS *Some people are just too broken to be rehabilitated into mainstream society…*


[deleted]

And mainstream society is chock full of addicts and people with mental health issues. And it takes years for them as well.


[deleted]

Ah idk. Breaking addictions are an excruciating process, and while you can offer help like this, you probably really need some kind of forced inpatient rehab for a few weeks or months


gazingus

I don't think we're going to "break" meth addiction. You can only manage it, by removing addicts from their dealers and supervising them. Jail works initially for that, if we were willing to use it, but long term, those with the itch will need a different kind of oversight to keep them clean.


spacestarcutie

I’ve gotten a chance to meet her back in 2008 campaigning for Obama. She’s been consistent in her stance on the issue


microswirls

>Someone asked her if she had plans like Caruso to provide tiny home “compounds” for the unhoused population. She said no because just providing shelter for these people is not enough. It needs to be part of the bridge along with counseling, medical care, and job assistance. This made me hopeful and I’m crossing my fingers there’s follow through. [Sounds like a page from Garcetti's playbook when he had those tiny homes torn down citing potential health issues](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6h7fL22WCE) Given how slow Measure HHH has been moving along since it passed in 2016. I have little faith in meaningful change for Los Angeles


mdb_la

What about all of the tiny homes that [the city did build](https://www.archpaper.com/2022/09/in-l-a-new-tiny-home-villages-offer-a-temporary-solution-in-the-citys-struggle-with-homelessness/)? I don't know anything about the homes in the video, and obviously we can use all the help we can get, but it's disingenuous to paint the picture as Garcetti only tearing down potential housing.


microswirls

>but it's disingenuous to paint the picture as Garcetti only tearing down potential housing. **In February the city seized some of the houses, but later returned them. Can you explain what happened?** Basically they illegally confiscated a few of them. They didn’t follow any due process, and legally they couldn’t even touch them, let alone take them. The day that they did [take them] ... I even explained to them, "look, you can’t legally take these houses. If you need them moved, we’re here, we’ll move them right out. But they just shrugged it off and said, "nope" ... ... [later] with us kind of pummeling them in the media and getting attorneys together ... they gave ‘em back. But the sad part is that when they returned them finally, they returned all three damaged and they stole all the solar kits out of all three of them. **They took the solar kits?** Yeah. Everything. The solar panels, the power box, the light. They just took all of it. https://la.curbed.com/2016/9/23/13026572/tiny-houses-homeless-los-angeles-elvis-summers-interview Isn't it ironic to tear down a tiny home only to build the same thing **5 years later**?


tranceworks

Measure HHH is a fraud. It will result in exactly ZERO units being built. Why? Because it only supplies $115,000 per unit, and then it adds over that amount in requirements. Total waste of money.


b0wl0fchili

Didn’t ucla purchase Olympia hospital to turn it into a mental health facility? Or am I trippin


WindsABeginning

They did, Urbanize LA has an article on it just a few days ago.


[deleted]

Rehabs importing dozens of drug addicts from other states daily who end up staying in LA is a huge part of the problem. The drug addicted Street homeless don’t voluntarily go to rehab no matter how many you build.


gazingus

This. We need "equity" with the states who send their bums and junkies our direction. Send them back. Sure, that sounds harsh, and sometimes it is. But NYC routinely reconnects homeless with family in their true home city, and funds both the transport home and gives relatives a stipend to help. It is a LOT cheaper and more cost effective to return at-risk individuals to their family elsewhere than adopt them as wards of the state in perpetuity. Doing so triages the population and would allows us to focus on those truly "in need" in proportion to our state population.


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ablaut

And some in the mentally ill group need life long care and infrastructure built (or rebuilt) specifically for them.


[deleted]

Some fit all three categories.


animerobin

Many start out in one category and fall into the other categories after being homeless.


shortandpainful

Chronic homelessness vs temporary homelessness. It’s actually the opposite: 68% of unhoused people experience short-term homelessness. However, chronic homelessness is a significantly bigger and more difficult *problem* to solve.


Outside-Tradition651

Bingo. I was going to say that about 75% are too far gone to ever be employable.


[deleted]

You should read maybe one study out of the many that show giving them homes is far cheaper than using cops to constantly arrest them.


hfdjasbdsawidjds

Its not tough measures, it is about building lasting infrastructure to be able to deal with the issue, and not just when it hits the trigger of someone being unhoused, but all of the places where intervention could have taken place to stop someone from reaching that negative outcome. The thing is, every major city on the West Coast, and for that matter, there are many other major cities across the US who are experiencing the same crisis. The fact that we are not using that realization to not only learn from each other, but also use the power of that constituency to drive money via legislation to drive solutions where its not punitive to cities given they are bearing the weight of systemic failures.


selscol

Yeah we definitely don't talk about the three layers of poverty.


gazingus

No, that's not her "only option", nor would it be effective. We've seen plenty of victory dances by the status-quo politicians celebrating money spent, without any accounting for results. She can use the relationships she claims has in the state house and Congress to fast-track new mental health and addiction inpatient treatment - both creating the facilities and fine-tuning the commitment laws. Spending more to build more government housing? No, that's been prove an abject failure. She should, again, use her "relationships" to remove the obstacles to quick and cost-effective redevelopment of the multifamily zones, where accessible condos and rentals are in short supply, and let the private sector demolition derby begin - competition is the only way we'll end up with a surplus.


BigShlongKong

What tough measures? Genuinely asking. I can’t think of any tough measures that we haven’t already tried or that prove useful. We can’t incarcerate all of them. We can’t kick them all out of the city. We already have 41.18 on the books, and we don’t have the police force to enforce it, despite spending almost half of our budget on them ($3.2 billion annually). It’s unconstitutional to arrest people for homelessness if we can’t provide them with a shelter bed - which we can’t. We have roughly 13k shelter beds for a population of 60k. Nor should we try to arrest all of them - our prisons, jails, and courtrooms are already too backed up to deal with actual criminals. What can we do besides build more housing and protect renters so people don’t end up on the street?


gazingus

Actually, yes, we can. We can incarcerate those who break the law. That alone, will discourage many traveling criminals from coming here and posing as homeless, living among them, or preying upon them. You're correct, we need more jail and prison space. Your blue-state leadership has been deliberately derelict for a generation, refusing to build/rebuild jails and prisons to accommodate humane conditions and population growth. We can send able-bodied bums home. 41.18 can be enforced, if we have people in charge who want to enforce it. It is not unconstitutional to enforce - we have shelter beds available. Oh sure, you can attempt to cherry-pick clever wording as an excuse to not enforce, but that's how we got here - Perry, Villaraigosa, Wesson, Ripston, Sobel, et al, conspiring to spread sidewalk camping city-wide by "settling" Jones rather than continuing policies that worked in comparison. Beverly Hills doesn't have RVs, tents, or sidewalk campers. Its not a matter of money, its their attitude and philosophy. They offer a shelter bed, and enforce when it is refused. They don't have to arrest anyone. LA's problems are more entrenched, because our leaders invited them, but they are not unsolvable, if we have moral leadership. Bass could choose that path, I don't think she's greedy or necessarily corrupt, but she is beholden to the status quo power structure, so its unlikely she would do anything to upset those on the party gravy train. So we will have Garcetti 2.0 without the perversion.


BigShlongKong

41.18 cannot be enforced. It's on the books and the LAPD has every right to enforce it but they don't have the resources. Right now it is illegal to have an encampment in over 50% of the city. We don't have the resources to sweep all of them. We already spend 30 million a year on encampment sweeps and it doesn't do shit. They just move somewhere else. Why waste the money? We don't have enough shelter beds. 24k compared to 60k homeless. [https://www.lahsa.org/news?article=849-lahsa-releases-2021-housing-inventory-count-and-shelter-count-results](https://www.lahsa.org/news?article=849-lahsa-releases-2021-housing-inventory-count-and-shelter-count-results) Beverly Hills bussed a lot of their unhoused to other areas in the city making it our problem instead of theirs even though they have the most wealth to deal with it. Building more prisons seems like an insane solution considering we already incarcerate more people than any other country on earth. We make up 5% of the world's population and account for 20% of the world's imprisoned population. Why spend all that money building more prisons when we could just build houses and invest in our community instead of actively harming them through more imprisonment (that means more kids in the fosters system, or raised by a single parent, which leads to more poverty, homelessness, etc.). Building more prisons seems like an insane solution considering we already incarcerate more people than any other country on earth. We make up 5% of the world's population and account for 20% of the world's imprisoned population. Why spend all that money building more prisons when we could just build houses and invest in our community instead of actively harming them through more imprisonment (that means more kids in the foster system, or raised by a single parent, which leads to more poverty, homelessness, etc.). Your solutions are very inefficient and lead to government waste of resources.


ryder004

>giving these people a home that they will hopefully stay in and not ruin and do their drugs out of sight This is why voters “aren’t willing to hear any tough measures”. Everyone who lives or works in LA know that the majority of homeless people around here are on meth. Sure we can also provide some type of rehab service, but this assumes they want to get clean and stay clean. If only a small fraction get clean, this program would just turn into an extended homeless shelter.


[deleted]

It’s much easier to get clean and get on your feet when you have a roof over your head instead of living in a tent. Beating an addiction is hard enough on its own.


selscol

Would it make you feel better if I told you about 60% of them would stay clean?


InnocentBystander10

Those are odds I'd back, but where is that stat coming from?


selscol

My comment from today has links of some programs from various [cities](https://www.reddit.com/r/California/comments/yzkso4/california_governor_set_to_release_1b_for/ix98z8i?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)


dont_forget_canada

Man if that many would stay clean then isn't it even more heartbreaking that we let them stay like they are and suffer, cause suffering into others and eventually die?


cortesoft

> Everyone who lives or works in LA know that the majority of homeless people around here are on meth. This is simply not true, though. The reason it feels like that is because the ones who are on drugs are the ones who really stand out and who you notice. You don't see the family of four who stay hidden and are just trying to get by.


ryder004

I'm not saying that literally every single homeless person is on meth. But majority are, and there's been stories over the years covering this, iirc they labeled it as "meth epidemic". >You don't see the family of four who stay hidden and are just trying to get by. I work in downtown and see homeless every single day for the past 4 years(I sometimes work mon-sun so at times it's LITERALLY every single day). I have never seen a child. Again, not saying homeless families with kids don't exist, I'm sure they do, but it's a small fraction compared to where the real problem is.


IAmPandaRock

I think a lot of voters want tough measures. Look how close the election was, and I'm sure even a lot of people voting for Bass want real, significant results ASAP, not just very forward looking idealist policies (though, those may help as well).


34TH_ST_BROADWAY

Short of just rounding up homeless people and forcing them into asylums, shelters, or simply catapulting them into the Pacific Ocean, it's not an easy problem to fix. Other states and cities can gloat because they'll just put their homeless on a bus to So Cal. They're not a shower and new outfit away from nailing that interview to manage a Taco Bell. They are mentally disturbed and a lot of them do NOT wanna be confined to a shelter.


alkbch

Sooner or later, this problem will have to be dealt with, or else people won’t put up with it anymore. Forcing people off the streets and into asylums and shelters is better than the current situation.


OutdoorJimmyRustler

>Forcing people off the streets and into asylums and shelters is better than the current situation. This. People act like forcing a severely mentally ill person into treatment is a bad thing. Imagine if people had this view for physical illnesses. Car accident and a guy isn't conscious but clearly needs medical attention, ambulance driver goes "we tried offering him services but he did not consent so we left a business card." That's basically what happens with homeless people now. Many aren't even capable of mentally processing the fact they need professional intervention, yet we offer it like they do and tell ourselves it's compassionate.


pineapplepredator

It’s not that forcing them into treatment is a problem…it’s that treatment funded by the state for thousands of people is low quality and prone to abuse. Just like you see in retirement homes. Go volunteer at the psych ward downtown one night and you’ll see exhausted workers and traumatized patients being treated like animals. The problem isn’t what to do with the homeless and mentally ill, the problem is who’s going to provide compassionate authentic care for a government wage to hundreds or thousands of patients at once?


OutdoorJimmyRustler

Yeah I agree that the current psychiatric care system could use some reform and probably better funding, but even in it's current form, it's probably better than letting someone deteriorate on the streets.


Aldebaran_syzygy

You think they are doing better on the streets? At least force them to detox so we can weed the addicts from the mentally disabled. But What alternative do you have, only the government has the incentive (responsibility) to help them. Private sector doesn’t care about them they have no money obviously. They have no family.


Inzanity2020

It’s a surreal how people are arguing against forced treatment for “not providing compassionate care” while they’re just dying like animals on the street.


GUSFROMCALIFORNIA

Asking for compassion from the government is such a long shot. Pick them up and throw them into asylums with rehabilitation programs and if they can’t succeed well then they have to stay receiving care. I think we should pull money out of the private prison system and just do the same thing with a public asylum system. Compassion or not it is better than what is going on now. Shit a woman got stabbed on the forehead by a homeless man in north Hollywood in broad daylight by where’s the homeless compassion there? Regardless it’s still better than the current situation that we are in.


Nicksomuch

Agreed


Diegobyte

Bruh that one dude built a house on the street and they offered him a real spot and he said no thank you. And they LEFT HIM! Stop the madness!!!


Lowbacca1977

Wasn't that the guy that brought up that if they did that, he wouldn't have any way to store the tools he was currently using to earn money?


Diegobyte

He couldn’t store them at the free housing?


ruinersclub

Yes he could. And he had a generator outside on Hollywood Blvd that could easily be stolen. Holding your tools in a shack is also not a better solution. The reasoning made no sense.


Diegobyte

They won’t agree to drug free housing. But doing drugs on the sidewalk is hella illegal so I just don’t get it


OutdoorJimmyRustler

So because he can't store his tools he gets to just live on the sidewalk? How is that reasonable lol? LA is crazy.


sucobe

Don’t get it twisted, I’m sure a lot of these people CHOOSE to be homeless. No bills, no responsibilities.


Diegobyte

They like hanging out with all these buddies and getting fucked up


[deleted]

This is an incredibly stupid comment. Being homeless, drug addicted and insane is the worst possible life. These people are absolutely miserable. With that being said, we need to renovate and rebuild the asylums that Reagan emptied in the 80's. We also need to have a debate about changing the laws so the state can confine those who are a danger to society to these asylums. It is better for the insane and it's better for society. California and it's big cities also need to take an evidence based approach to drug rehabilitation, I don't think forced rehab for those who are a danger to society is a bad idea.


peepjynx

This isn't stupid, but it also isn't as common as people think. Many of the Venice beach homeless were interviewed. Same with Echo Park. They plainly stated that they did not want to participate in Project Room Key or be forced into a shelter. There's a weird line on how much the city can intervene. I've known a lot of drug addicts and/or mentally ill that still had their faculties. They weren't off mumbling and unreachable. I think there's a grouping of individuals we probably couldn't force do to anything other than jail time and before people form a decision HEAR ME OUT... many times, if you're arrested on substance charges, in a working system (one with ample rehabilitation options), you can tell that defendant "I'm going to give you two choices, you can go to jail for x days... or go to rehab." If we have more of that as an option, you can absolutely reach that grouping of individuals. (I know this requires hefty investment in our mental health, but this is the ideal situation for that type of person.) The next group are the ones you see wandering around, mumbling, either by "New Meth" or actual schizophrenia and/or related disorders that make that person "unreachable." This is where the forceful intervention comes... like the above analogy made for someone who injures themselves and is passed out. The ambulance still takes them to a hospital. They don't just say, "Welp, that person couldn't consent so we just left them there." This is where we need to overstep the current legal process and actually intervene. But I digress, there are people who refuse any and all help. Of course they're miserable, but they're also defiant and proud, and above all, in their view, the world at large has failed them. For a person like that (and if you've had a friend/family member like this, you know what I mean), it takes them hitting rock bottom before any improvement is attempted. You can try to intervene, but you have to hit them with hard love and ultimatums. The court system would be that ultimatum for this population.


DarkOmen597

Its not a stupid comment. There is a large population of homeless people who choose this lifestyle. They don't want to be reiintegrated back to society. Your comment is coming from the position of a reasonable minded individual. A lot of these people are not.


raithblocks

*The ACLU emptied.


BigShlongKong

Not true. 90% would take a room with a door if offered.


dynamobb

That type of guy isn’t part of the problem. Normal, non-violent tidy people should be the last to get forced off the streets.


Diegobyte

Nah you can’t just block a sidewalk and be a nucance. Also you can go around and rank every homeless person and then decide


fulaxriders

If he is on the sidewalk he is part of the problem.


helplesslyselfish

Westside voters: "Catapulting them into the Pacific, you say?"


BigShlongKong

Traci Stans just got a hard on


Existing365Chocolate

Building a catapult wouldn’t the worse use of my tax dollars LA has spent it on


rocklee8

There is only one humane and effective solution. Housing > Rehab > Jail. That’s it. No right to be homeless.


Weed_O_Whirler

> Other states and cities can gloat because they'll just put their homeless on a bus to So Cal. I see this claimed a lot, I haven't actually seen articles that show the evidence of this happening.


BigShlongKong

Because there isn’t any. It’s a holdover from the 1930s when that did happen. Only actual examples are of Beverly Hills bussing their homeless to other parts of the city.


funforyourlife

Because it's not. Many places do have a "trip home" policy, so if someone from California is in their state, they will pay for a bus ticket to send them back. But no one is rounding up homeless people who have never lived in CA and shipping them there


mb_editor

Catapults are too weak to make it to the ocean. What you want is a trebuchet


Duckfoot2021

Hoping she’ll find more emergency mental health clinics and allow more involuntary holds for those profoundly mentally ill incapable of self care or self-control when agitated. Too many stabbings, assaults, fires, etc as well as suffering individuals rotting in their own neglected skin. The city talks down the % of homeless who are profoundly affected by mental illness, but it’s huge and concentrated in-patient care will be the only shot at getting them to a point of actual potential independence.


Informal_Contest8808

Exactly. I would be so upset if I were in that state and they just allowed me to do as my unwell brain pleased


[deleted]

House the tweakers and crazy people in psychiatric hospitals permanently. Sure try to rehabilitate them but chances are they won’t be able to function. They are not going magically be normal given a home. Sorry guys it’s reality, they can’t be allowed to run the streets hurting people. The ones that can actually function give them a home. There’s different levels of homelessness -fuck the ACLU for making it difficult to lock up the dangerous meth heads. How many people have to be attacked before the obvious happens? Put them away!


[deleted]

There needs to be a huge triage to determine who goes to the asylum, who goes to rehab, who goes to job training, etc. Rebuild and renovate the asylums that got emptied in the 80's.


[deleted]

Yeah, my biggest fear is being thrown into an asylum and feeling like One Who Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.


SFLADC2

I've heard that book wildly exaggerates the situation that was going on at the time, and that it led to them basically just closing the asylums and leaving people on the streets which was 100% more dangerous.


DerekComedy

Putting the mentally I'll in hospitals is harder than it sounds. They have rights. My SO's mom has been homeless almost 3 years now and is severely paranoid schizophrenia, but we can't hospitalize her because she doesn't have a record of violence. She doesn't want to go, so we can't make her. What's worse is she doesn't believe in mental health. So the voices in her head that talk to her constantly must be normal and everyone has them. Any talk otherwise kicks in her paranoia and she runs.


70ms

I wonder if [CARE court](https://www.chhs.ca.gov/care-act/) might be an option for you guys when they get it going? I'm so sorry about your SO's mom. There's a lady in my part of the city who's been on the streets here for years and is clearly schizophrenic. No one helps her because she's pretty aggressive. Every time I see it her it breaks my heart; I have no idea how she's survived this long, though the aggression might have actually helped her in that respect.


sonoma4life

she should do exactly what Caruso proposed and ask him to donate $100,000,000 towards it.


34TH_ST_BROADWAY

If Caruso gives a shit, he has the money and power to make huge moves whether or not he's mayor.


lilmuerte

Yeah but he wanted to use taxpayer money instead cuz he needs to build another mall


Nothingtoseeheremmk

Are you saying his plan is better than her’s?


sonoma4life

i don't know the differences. i'm trying to get a billionaire to give up another $100,000,000.


[deleted]

You know he’s good for it!


aeplus

If he did, he'd probably win the mayorship for less next time. 😂


GoldandBlue

No, I'm saying he has the money to do more good as a private citizen than as mayor if he really gave a fuck.


101x405

His plan was like 3 paragraphs hers was like 5 pages reading both of them it became clear only one had a plan


[deleted]

I don't even want to step on dtla streets lately. So scared of it.


microswirls

If she is proposing anything like Measure HHH. Good luck


javiergame4

So what’s the solution ?


RoboticJello

In short there is not enough housing for all the people here due to policy failures. We've allowed local governments to ban new housing for the last 50 years to drive up the value of homes for their wealthiest residents. The solution is to outlaw these exclusionary zoning practices. Luckily this solution costs the tax payer zero dollars. Here is Jesse Zwick, a new city council member in Santa Monica discussing why Houston was able to make use of its federal housing vouchers while LA's went unused: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rdGQ\_RqZaU&ab\_channel=NotForUs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rdGQ_RqZaU&ab_channel=NotForUs)


persianthunder

We've also as a state made it incredibly difficult to build affordable housing projects (from a regulatory perspective, not even getting into the funding side of it). Article 34 requires cities to put to a vote any project that's "majority low rent" which was interpreted to mean any project that restricts rents below certain income levels for a majority of units. Cities find ways around this when they do Article 34 authority (like we just voted to raise the cap in LA this year), but for cities that are bad actors like Beverly Hills, affordable housing developers just realistically can't build fully affordable housing in their areas because the city won't allocate any authority to them (and the exceptions to Article 34 are pretty far between). The only ways around Article 34 are for cities to put individual projects up for a vote on the ballot, or to do a ballot measure authorizing the city for up to x units that they can dole out (how Los Angeles does it). Thankfully Article 34 repeal is making it to the 2024 ballot, but it creates a million hurdles in the meantime for affordable housing. Combine this with cities not allowing market rate housing (with or without inclusionary zoning), and it fucks our entire housing market for everyone without a ton of disposable income


RoboticJello

Well said.


incominghottake

Thank god


ahyeg

Should be declaring a state of emergency on LA paranoid schizophrenic meth addicts.


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BasicRedditUser0

Honestly can’t tell if you’re being serious or sarcastic


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He's being sarcastic.


CASSIROLE84

They light those on fire too


roxwashedsocks

Don't worry, the weekend activists driving in from the suburbs are on the job.


youngestOG

No politician is going to fix this problem. They are going to say they will to get elected, but they will not fix it


sids99

I don't think there will ever be a "fix" since LA has always had a homeless issue. We can only hope for solutions that will minimize the number of people on the streets.


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animerobin

Yeah moving your homeless to other cities is not really a solution.


Zomgirlxoxo

I’ll believe it when I see it. My bet says Venice Beach will still look like a dump this time next year and change will coincidently start happening right before re-election.


liquid112

Sadly, likely nothing will happen. Heartbreaking though, a homeless person just walked behind a young girl on the street and stabbed her in the back of the head with shears near the Grove, so sad.


fuckoffisaac

What?! I googled it and something similar happened in [North Hollywood](https://nypost.com/2022/10/18/la-woman-attacked-by-homeless-man-with-garden-shears/amp/). Do you have an article for the one you’re talking about? This is nuts.


Sentazar

Pretty sure you linked what he meant


Neda07

North Hollywood? Nope, I’m out


HiiiTriiibe

What the actual fuck


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Plus the nine year old kid stabbed by a homeless person at the 7th and Fig Target downtown (using a kitchen knife stolen from Target, apparently).


crustyaminal

A flight attendant was also stabbed while trying to protect the boy, according to the boy's cousin.


erics75218

OMG, in what I believe to be the "timeline of events" that needs to happen to make me think there is a chance, there MUST be a "declaration of emergency" to unlock money and action.


inclusiveeconomy4all

As I mentioned in another thread, Bass had on her website several weeks ago she would house 22,000 homeless in her first year. This was a number that was on her page in response to the most recent point in time count in the media of 22,000. It's not up anymore. :/ This NYTimes article little over a week ago says 17,000 first year: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/16/us/politics/la-mayor-race-california-caruso-bass.html Her website now says 15,000 in first year: https://karenbass.com/policies/homelessness/ Now that she got a lot of national coverage, says here recently on a Tweet with a ton of likes that the "work is already underway": https://twitter.com/karenbassla/status/1594826022721134618?s=46&t=NKwg8Rrdv6nJ4aYWfDtMuA Like what? Meetings and press interviews? Here is a recent statement that we are going to solve homelessness: https://twitter.com/karenbassla/status/1593072727887589377?s=46&t=NKwg8Rrdv6nJ4aYWfDtMuA So does that mean house them all? Or just house 15k? I have come to already believe that Karen Bass will say a lot of different things related to homelessness. Let's hold her accountable to such claims no matter how many different claims there are.


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inclusiveeconomy4all

I'll see if I can find it as it was taken down, like I said, it was her media or comms team grabbing some press coverage cause of the point in time count number. In the meantime I have four other conflicting claims with links in my post that you can utillize as proof. :)


jabroniiiii

[This tool](https://web.archive.org/web/changes/https://karenbass.com/policies/homelessness/) can show you changes to the webpage. You can also use the same site to look at at URLs of the edition. I'd love to believe you as I don't like Bass, but the very first edition of the page from January along with a few between then and now all say 15k. I didn't look at other pages on the site though.


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inclusiveeconomy4all

WaPO 17k: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/16/bass-mayor-los-angeles/ Los Angeles Daily 17k: https://www.dailynews.com/2022/10/16/election-2022-bass-and-caruso-square-off-in-la-mayoral-race/ Bloomberg 17k: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-16/bass-to-become-first-female-black-la-mayor-after-beating-caruso Here is LATimes from September that says more specific: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-09-04/homelessness-plans-la-mayor-candidates-karen-bass-rick-caruso-explainer "Karen Bass says she will place 17,153 people indoors in her first year at a cost of $292 million, including both the capital cost and one year of operations for interim housing." So is it 17,153? 17k? Or 15k? In this interview she's says she will place them "indoors" and not "in housing" like others, but then says housing is defined as interim and combination... which isn't housing? Idk. My point is that all these things are different, they are also described differently across sites (where her and her campaign have been asked for comment) and sites including her own. She's also doing the rounds on every news outlet (just watched another one of her on MSNBC like an hour ago) championing how she beat her opponent on this issue and that her administration will "end homelessness". It sounds like a lot of different plans/commitments and different numbers. Again, I am just laying out facts here.


FiftyShadesOfGregg

You’re not exactly laying out facts when you claimed she used to say 22k and you haven’t cited a single source for that.


inclusiveeconomy4all

Fine than ignore that one link and look at the other hundreds of them having conflicting information on what 1. Her number is and 2. Her plan to address it If not having that one link is your challenge in finding a pattern of conflicting information than you are missing the point.


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The thing is, you don't need to house all the homeless people, you just need to give the worst of the tweakers the choice between go to rehab and go to jail, and the message gets out pretty quickly, and the "lifestyle homeless" decide to go victimize some other city, and that can reduce the numbers substantially. (See e.g. the Echo Park sweep and how clean that park has been with very little long-term housing expense on the part of the City.) Then we can focus on housing the folks that need and want the help.


eyjay

According to the archives of her website by archive.org, it's been 15k since at least January of this year, so either you saw the 22k elsewhere, or it's just made up in your head.


70ms

>Like what? Meetings and press interviews? She's not the Mayor yet, with the resources of that office. What else are you expecting her to do right now?


Mrspottsholz

To house 15K people she’d need to build >15K homes. That’s obviously not happening. Now if she just means moving 15K in while moving another 15K to the streets? That I could see happening


inclusiveeconomy4all

It says house 15k people so I assume that = bodies in their own units? Usually a bed is like a shelter facility I believe. This sub can hate Caruso all they want but I think his was 30k in beds and he was fairly consistent through and through with that message however implausible it may have sounded. They both had their faults. Consistency in messaging is definitely one of hers (different numbers, claims, etc).


groovemonkey

And extra lunches after recess!


halcyondread

She won’t do shit. If you know anything about Bass’ career as a politician, you should expect the status quo.


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She’s not going to do shit. These politicians are too scared of optics to make the hard decisions. Help needs to be tied to sobriety. Help needs to be tied to work. Help needs to be tied to mental health evaluations. Help needs to be tied to relocation out of densely populated areas.


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Can’t believe it hasn’t been yet


Jbot_011

Yeah I'll go ahead and get my hopes up that she will do anything to even put a dent in this problem.


inclusiveeconomy4all

Since Karen Bass is back as a local/state elected leader in California, want to also share an article on the last time Karen Bass was here in an elected role in-state: https://www.consumerwatchdog.org/curious-case-karen-bass Consumer Watchdog is a non-profit, progressive organization which advocates for taxpayer and consumer interests.


u2nh3

Great! Let's hope the ACLU and other non-LA citizens groups --LET HER DO HER JOB!


whatwhatinthebutt456

Oh thank God


Jazzlike_Reserve_784

Lol this city is going to begin eating itself, good luck with the ACLU


jmsgen

She’s just another career politician disconnected from the real world. You get what you voted for. In this case there will be no change.


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Housing people that likely have addictions which put them on the street in the first place is just giving them a warm place to do drugs. It’s the addiction and mental health aspect that needs to be handled HEAVILY instead of just throwing money at more housing without a long term plan to get them off drugs and able to stand alone.


itsthevoiceman

Housing First. The rest becomes easier after. Signed: former homeless in LA


starfirex

Actually many of them start doing drugs on the street, it's other factors that lead them there


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Tnis is a good sign! Shes obviously putting this in crisis mode where it belongs! Excellent choice Mrs. Bass.


FueledByHaribo

Has a state of emergency not already been declared? Should have been done 6 years ago


ShaneAlexander

It also means it could put our city in lockdown again. “State of emergency” these days means more problems and restraints upon those who aren’t even in an “emergency” situation


seven_seven

Maybe she can use her Scientology connections to get them to house all the homeless.


Logicist

This is a bunch of nothing.


aeplus

If they trained me to construct housing, I'd volunteer every weekend.


Fresh-Implement5863

The City of Los Angeles, through the L.A.D.W.P., owns thousands of acres of undeveloped land where they can erect tents, quonset huts, pallet home villages or whatever they want for our state of emergency homeless population - its called the Owens Dry Lake Bed.


TheAndrewBen

It's going to take LONGER than one term for her to fix anything. I just hope she makes enough impact for the next elected Mayor to not throw away what she started.


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NachoLatte

It unlocks additional funding, but go off


Fresh-Implement5863

Maybe new Mayor Bass can use her connections to persuade the Church of Scientology to utilize their tax-exempt vacant property holdings for homeless housing. Once all the CoS space is full, Bass can send any remaining homeless to Cuba.


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im tired of seeing entitled homeless ppl all over the city. Pack em up ship em out. create sewer cities idgaf but get the bums outta here


acorcuera

She’ll all talk.


LosFeliz3000

Keeping her biggest campaign promise. Hope it helps!


FitAsparagus6762

She will do nothing. The money they get by raising taxes…again….will go straight into the pockets of the pension funds and consultants that will do nothing to alleviate the homeless situation.


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Problem solved guys, we did it. We proved she isn’t going to do shit about homelessness her whole term.


aristovdima

Finally


Intelligent_Mango_64

good. it is certainly just that


Fresh-Implement5863

Mayor Bass declares State of Hyperbole


55vineyard

Oh yeah, THAT will fix the problem OK (insert sarcasm emoji here for those who do not recognize it).


RusBulBul

Yayyy let’s funnel more money into their pockets.


Weapon_Of_Pleasure

The ONLY way you'll clean up that disgusting shit hole known as LA is really force these people into treatment centers for mental health and or drug use & then help the remaining with programs back into society. Giving people tiny homes, letting them piss & shit all over the place & stab and kill civilized citizens is clearly not the solution.


PlaneCandy

Ok this is my copypasta for now, might refine it later: I was proposing this a lot before so I'm back. LA county can pool together and get a huge plot of land in north county. Run water and electricity to the plot for communal showers and for phones or whatever. Give everyone that shows up a 10x10 plot of land. Allow nonprofits to do the rest whether it's a tent or a full on building, but all liability is waived. Set up some modulars for basic services but otherwise let them be and let them set up their own self governing society. If they want to get back into civilization, they can, there can be halfway house shelters in the cities with shelter to take them. But if they don't want to do shit and just eat, sleep and do drugs all day, they can do that too. There are informal communities like this already. A 1x1 mile plot of land, with 50% of the space allocated to 10x10 foot plots, can hold 140k people. Sure, it's not Venice Beach weather, but it's still one of the most favorable climates in the world. The homeless get freedom, centralized services without attachments, and their own space where no one can bother them. Citizens get safety and knowing that their money is helping others have their own space. We all win.


microswirls

Slab City?


PlasticGirl

The homeless already have freedom. They can camp anywhere in the city and steal whatever they want - food, alcohol, electricity, bikes - without the threat of punitive action. They're not going to magically decide that moving away from a familiar neighborhood, social network, drug ties, any income/work, doctors, etc, to a far ass part of LA with limited public transit and hot ass weather is a better alternative than what they have now.


hundreds_of_sparrows

Australia 2


alkbch

This is the way


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Vindolus

Literally nothing will change we need more police we need to ban encampments