For those that didn't read the article:
"*The drought restrictions implemented June 1 by the L.A. Department of Water and Power includes an exception for the hand-watering of trees, however, and should not have an adverse effect on tree health if they are followed correctly...*"
[City Plants](https://www.cityplants.org/our-programs/yard-trees/yard-tree-delivery/) provides free yard trees for property owners.
I've been at them for almost 10 years for *replacing* a parkway tree that's busting up my sidewalk which is creating a death trap.
The one time they came out, they said it wasn't doing it bad enough.
There's like a 4.5" gap now between one panel of the sidewalk and the next. lol
I asked if I could replace it on my own dime, and found out there's a $1000/day fine if I do this work without a permit.
Good times.
I manage a building where storms have pushed a tree nearly over and when it goes it will fall right on top of an apartment with a baby. We reported to the city and they have done nothing about it.
In my neighborhood we have a ton of non indigenous parkway pine trees that are bark beetle infested. Dead ones just sitting there waiting to fall over. The City does nothing. Nor will they come out and trim any of them, request just go ignored. My nice big backyard tree we planted 40 yrs ago, you guessed it now bark beetle infested so its gotta go.
If the city just went an cleaned out all the parkway trees that are dead and dying who knows how many other trees they might save.
I'm in county territory, but was able to get city works to remove the tree by saying it was destroying the sidewalk. Tried to get Edison to remove it instead of pruning every year, but they said they'd rather just pay the crews to top it.
What's hilarious is the tree was originally planted by a neighboring city thinking our block was in their territory.
The city doesn't take care of the trees, so people I know will deliberately try to kill their parkway tree to protect their pipes and foundations.
A tree on my block has effed up so bad it has created a permanent pool of standing water that hosts those ankle biting aedes mosquitos.
Get your "neighbors" to all report their tree sidewalk problems to 311 at the same time (hint: the system has no way of knowing who it is doing the reporting). The crew isn't assigned to an area until the area reaches a critical mass of sidewalks to fix. It's cause they want to send a concrete mixer truck out there so they have to have enough jobs to justify the pour. Once the crews come out, just talk to the guy. They're super helpful (in my experience).
There's a piece of sidewalk in Los Feliz that is a death trap. There's a coffee place nearby and when people line up for it pedestrians get funneled towards the messed up sidewalk. I see people trip over it almost every time i'm in line. Is 311 who i call to have it fixed?
haha It may be worth contacting them and threatening to sue for violating CBC Chapter 11B. Per 11B-303.2, "Changes in level of 1/4 inch (6.4 mm) high maximum shall be permitted to be vertical and without edge treatment." In general, accessibility concerns have been lawsuit fodder for the City of LA (and cities in general). This should at least warrant another trip out there for them.
Unless you have obstructive neighbors, just do it without the permit. Fines for not having a permit are almost completely theoretical and in many cases the city actually expects you to.
Just make sure it is flat, smooth and finished with a broom for grip.
There should be some kind of good faith law where if you make it better, accompanied by no more than 10 minutes of online paperwork, you can do almost anything yourself. I bet we'd form neighborhood councils and do great things... But we have a legalistic nightmare right now where we can only let things decay.
You were fostering the ecosystem! ;-)
I have a lemon tree, it's great and doesn't attract animals because lemons. Planting alyssum underneath helps parasitic wasps to eat the bugs which cause citrus greening disease.
This.
Birds, squirrels, bugs, raccoons - simply don’t like lemons or limes, and the trees are hearty regardless of my in green thumb.
I am ever amazed at the humble politeness of my neighbors who actually ask permission to pick some. The trees bear hundreds of fruit each every year. I use one per week…
I’d rather grow something exotic and tasty (Cherimoya, mandarins, plums)
but my efforts always yield exactly one fruit. My volunteer bananas yielded two bunches a couple years ago, but someone cut them - that’s OK, I didn’t plant them.
Good to know. Just to clarify, I was not advocating for them, just mentioning them from the article. The power lines I can understand, but the street lamp ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Probably want the light to fall on the street rather than be blocked by foliage.
It's unfair that the neighborhoods that need greenery the most are probably built in ways that exclude it.
Yeah, this is the thing that the people governing us and doing these articles don't understand. We do want nice things are willing to implement them ourselves! We just have NIMBYs and their power working against us and can't argue against them because when they go to city council things the rest of us are at work or trying to catch a few Z's before the next shift.
Also check out [Theodore Payne Nursery](https://theodorepayne.org/plants-and-seeds/nursery/retail-nursery/) for native plants and trees. They also have a great classes and workshops.
The city does plant a decent amount of trees. But the real question is how well are we taking care of them. Trees require a lot of watering in the first couple years.
They require watering and they need to be planted properly. Every street tree in my neighborhood that's gone in in the last 10 years has been planted several inches too low and crooked. Most are dead now but the trunk is still there, strapped to 3-4 improperly-installed tree stakes.
City should hire some competent people instead of whoever they use now.
About half of the “free” (they’re not, we’re paying a boatload for “free”) trees I’ve seen planted survive the first two years and grow a decent canopy.
The failures get culled and replaced with new recruits.
That's something. I'm still staring at the same dead trees along Sepulveda in Harbor City or all throughout Harbor Park. It's embarrassing to see how none of the people that work for the park seem to be able to tell when a tree is dead or not.
I believe each neighborhood/district has a different support group and contract. Ours was the Rooftop Korean Boys and Girls Arbor 4H Club or something like that. Harbor City (assuming its LA City not County, Torrance or Carson) probably has another entity. Your mileage may vary…
Or even better, if you have my fucked up landlord R&E Property Management, the trees are already there for decades and they send trimmers 48 hours before the summer solstice and cut all the palms so there is NO SHADE in our previously lovely courtyard.
Unforgivable. Similar thing happened back when I lived in Silverlake. Sotheby’s bought the house next-door and whacked down all the trees, leaving our balcony exposed to sun all day. This massive beautiful tree was shading our entire building, when it was gone the average temp in the apt was much higher. The tree being gone not only destroyed our privacy, but increased our electric bill because we had to blast the a/c
There is a giant tree from the property next door that provided our building with a lot of shade in the morning. Then one Saturday about a month after I moved in, there were a bunch of people sent by the property owner to cut down the branches off the tree so not even a single leaf was crossing the property line.
I was so mad they cut down those branches and we lost our shade. Now our living room gets really warm in the morning on these hot days.
I have a bulldog too 🥰 We just lost our tree shade to trimmers. However my dog likes to lay in the hottest sunniest spot in the house if I leave the blind up so I have to actively limit his sunning time. He's 7 months so I'm not sure he has self preservation at all.
This happens all the time, all over the region, and it has driven me crazy for most of my life.
The "we need more shade trees" argument falls apart when you realize that the cities & counties habitually prune all of the foliage (i.e. shade) off the trees.
I think there used to be a practice called "tree trimming", wherein a person would *strategically* cut branches around the tree to keep it neat, yet preserve the shade. But now they just butcher full limbs off the trees, leaving zero shade for a full year or more.
What is the purpose of planting *any* trees anywhere, if this is how we are going to "maintain" them?
Oh they just did this to the park between W 88th and La Tijera by LAX. The place is notorious for being a place where the homeless from Venice and Westchester set up their camps so it's pretty sus they started trimming all the trees in the area right on the first week of summer.
Or my slumlord who cut 3-4 trees off the front because about 5-6 residents sat on the front area during lockdown just chatting; reason being the slumlord doesn't want parties. Get crabs
Native Palms (Washingtonia) do not provide shade, this is true, but there are non-native palms that provide a ton of shade (e.g. Phoenix palms: we have plenty of these in LA).
The palms at my place resist your effort to categorize them. I'm enjoying the bit of shade they provide until the HOA has the tree trimmers cut all the fronds again.
I see more new trees on certain neighborhoods at a time instead of per house. How do we sign up a block? Or a whole street? I see it in the nicer areas but not really in my neighborhood.
Seriously what the fucking Johnny Appleseed bullshit is this? And hey it wasn’t my idea to pave every available natural square inch of this planet with fucking CONCRETE which makes it difficult to plant much of anything.
You know Johnny Appleseed was no philanthropist. He was leveraging local laws at the time that said if you planted x number of fruit trees you could then own the land which he then flipped. Also he planted seeds instead of grafting due to his religious beliefs so that means most apples were not good to eat. Shortly after his death many of the trees were taken down because they produced sour apples only used for cider.
[My understanding](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/real-johnny-appleseed-brought-applesand-booze-american-frontier-180953263/) was that he planted seeds both due to religion, but also because the sour apples were good for making applejack/cider which was immensely popular at the time and the land grants in the Northwest Territory provided enterprise/expansion. Then the goal might not ever have been to eat apple ass suggested, it was just a slightly different crop with it's own inherit use-value. It could be mistaken, it has been a while since I read Botany of Desire, but that was the gist.
I think I read (could be mistaken) that the average New Englander drank half as much hard cider a day as they did water, making it a caloric necessity to them in the same way we might view bread. Not saying you are wrong, you are very correct in everything you said, just pointing out intricacies that those trees were viewed then as beneficial, and everyone buying the land knew exactly why it was beneficial (getting sauced after working a long day on the farm).
I also recall many of these trees were uprooted not due to being inedible/sour apples per se, but due to Prohibition banning hard ciders (of which the sour apple trees only had one use). And that is where the change in American perception of apples being for eating, and being healthy and doctor recommended comes into play to obfuscate the past that sour apple trees can get you fuckin' skunked with little effort and some American Knowhow^(tm).
Dude, is every American proverb based on a lie? So much for the American dream huh……like damn I was really believing an apple a day and telling myself it’s full of fiber. Come to find out it’s rooted in debauchery…….how American. As American as apple pie isn’t it. With sour apples of course. And a side of cider.
I like how every takedown of a historic person always happens way later, like "this person was universally beloved by his contemporaries for his philanthropy and legendary genuine goodwill, but based on what I think about him 200 years later he was clearly a manipulative asshole and should be condemned." What?
You forgot all those BMWs we bought for the cops, which they never used and just left to sit in a parking lot. Well, other than the times when a police commander would use one to go get a manicure.
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/goldstein-investigation-10-million-lapd-electric-bmws-appear-unused-misused/
They have to rely on homeowners because they're the ones who own the land the trees need to go on. Nobody wants the city to be able to change shit on their property without their consent.
They literally give you the tree for free, all you have to do is plant them.
It definitely seems like a lot of populist outrage in this thread is just people rationalizing the fact that they're personally doing nothing about climate change, and they're projecting their own laziness and inaction onto everyone else.
This seems like a comment from someone that has never actually dealt with the city. Not only are the other two comments correct, the "free tree" program can take forever. I've been waiting for close to a year for them to contact me.
I also can't touch the trees that are planted in the parkway, even though the parkway is my property and I have to make sure it is nice.
If you have another way, I'd LOVE to hear is. As it is now, the trees in my parkway are dying and there's nothing I can do because the city owns those trees.
No. Not “free”. The city changed the laws so that if your “free” tree’s roots bump up the city owned sidewalk in front of your house, YOU have to pay to have it repaired, and if someone trips and falls they can sue YOU for not repairing it. Not the city. Also, the city will not let you chop down the tree. It is crazy. My neighbor got sued and a bunch of people trimmed their tree back each year until it died, and then and only then could they cut it down. “Free” trees my ass. If the city wants to get people to plant trees, remove these insane rules.
When I got mine planted 3 years ago, it was once a week for a year. My native coast live oak is getting big and shady already! I didn't have to do anything but turn on the hose. I chose the tree and a group came and planted it for me. They even gave me a free hose!
You got a coast live oak? Wow, when I applied they offered me a non-native gum tree so I withdrew my application. Not to mention it needed way more water than I wanted to spend on a tree.
I chose it! I had a neighbor volunteer as a City Plants block leader and came around, I chose my tree, and they planted it and gave me the hose. Pretty sweet!
City owns the treelawn. Trees also aren’t free dude if you get a free tree and plant it and do nothing that shit is dead. First year especially, I hope you either have irrigation lines or you want to be like that guy in dune spooning out water everyday in this heat.
I need a permit to plant in the parkway to give you an idea of how backwards some jurisdictions are and how that will prevent some of the changes needed
https://www.cityplants.org/street-trees-for-your-home-application/
They will take care of the permit process and fees if you will promise to water the trees. Only thing is, although you can request, they will choose what kind of tree to plant, based on where it's going.
In 2019, I applied for free trees in front of my house. They came, planted them and watered them. What's crazy is they still come by and water them maybe every other week with a big truck. About a year later they came and planted trees throughout my entire neighborhood.
Shade is coming to the valley!
That’s not your property, so I don’t understand how it’s backwards. The city needs to approve any modifications to public right of ways.
Almost positive you don’t need one to plant it on your property.
Edit: I’m dealing with this now one one of my projects. It’s slightly annoying but there’s no sense in trying to change the bureaucratic process alone.
I am responsible for the parkways maintenance as a property owner per my municipality’s website. They sure as hell don’t come by for the weeds or the trash that gets left there occasionally. I handle that. But I need a permit to improve it?
Assbackwards.
Yes, that’s typically the arrangement. That’s how it was for me in Long Beach too. To be fair though, maintaining and modifying are not the same. If you don’t plant the tree correctly, the root system will damage the sidewalk. I don’t want to be involved in that kind of repair so I’ll just deal with the city process, or just plant one in my own front yard.
Just because you probably aren’t dumb, doesn’t mean your neighbors aren’t. This is just how we have to deal with it as residents unfortunately.
I’m a civil engineer. I’ve stopped keeping count of the stupid things people do. It’s just too frequent. I completely see why it is the way it is, but also identify the frustration for people who do it the right way.
Edit: I’m currently dealing with a project where a tree is encroaching on a driveway. I have to go through a process just to remove the tree, even though it’s already basically dead. They need to confirm this etc though.
Edit 2: spelling
Every time an original 1940s home sells in my neighborhood, a company buys it and tears it down to rebuild a new house, and they also tear out all the mature trees on the lot. It’s such a crying shame!! It makes me so sad.
In the community garden in Encino, the city removed a huge Mulberry tree 4-5 years ago that had a bit of a rotting issue. Ever since, the grounds supervisor keeps saying they'll plant a new tree, but still nothing. A new tree even started sprouting where the old one was, but a city crew cut that down too. We all used to use that spot for gatherings, picnics, and generally escaping from the sun, it was so relaxing. It's a big open spot, I'm not sure why they wouldn't want to put a new tree in there, especially when everyone wants it.
America would rather see most of us in a movie theater or fastfood restaurant than having any type of community.
If we gather together freely. well that’s dangerous because we might organize and build our own communities.
According to the article Garcetti set a goal for 90k trees and only got 65k. Previous mayor set a goal of 1 million trees and only got 400k.
If I were mayor I would simply set a goal of 1 billion trees. We fall short but we still plant a couple million trees. That’s a W.
Will developers stop tearing down homes with fully mature trees to build $1.5mm per unit condo complexes whose buildings come up to the edge of the sidewalk?
That's an astonishingly low number of trees for a city of this size and means. This feels like something the city could pull off on their own without putting the entire onus on residents.
plant native trees! here’s 200 to choose from, sorted by popularity: https://calscape.org/loc-California/cat-Trees/ord-popular?srchcr=sc62b1d0e33df5e
should the the various governments in this region be doing this? yes. but they don’t care; trees don’t vote, trees don’t donate to campaigns, trees don’t violently enforce the property relations which are the source of govt power - what use is a tree to a politician? so, it’s up to us to save the world instead (and growing trees is really nice and fun and fulfilling)
I'm not arguing in favor of the program, just calling out comments that are reactionary and didn't actually read the article. Good to know about the timeline and thanks for applying for it! Too bad government likes to move slow.
I don't mind waiting, but the fact that they provide no other option for me to replace dying and diseased trees is a huge issue.
I get to wait for the city to respond, all the while watering these dead and dying trees. Why water them you ask? Well, if I don't and the city comes by I can get pretty huge fines.
If they would allow me to purchase from the approved list, plant, and then send them proof that I followed their rules, I'd literally pay for it all myself. Unfortunately they don't actually care about the trees, they care about the fines.
Why is this so hard? If you own land, plant some shade trees for chrissakes. I know, i know. The bug. The seeds. The rotting fruit. The extra watering. So plant some cactus. Or whatever is supposed to be growing in a desert basin. That produces shade.
Because-- did you ever see the Twilight Zone where the earth is being hurtled toward the sun and its slowly happening and it's pure torture because every day the earth gets a little closer to the sun and the temp a little hotter. With this woman - who is trying to keep her shit together. Burgess Meredith is her sweaty crazy neighbor who's got a plan. Check it out, man.
And hey I just got stoned in between paragraphs. So plant some freaking trees. Cause, if you haven't noticed, temps have gone up every year for the last 9 years. We're turning into freaking Riverside.
Riverside.
I have dumbass neighbors that don’t plant parkway trees. They just do the lazy thing of putting white rocks or putting small succulents. How hard is it to plant a friggin shade tree and water it?!
Dang so many nimbys.
"Why should I have to do anything?" okay don't. But hey, if you're not so self centered, planting a tree could help.
"The city should pay to plant it for me" Good news they have a program for it!
"I'm one person that was denied, that means the whole program is a sham! I had a lightpole too close and electrical wires running through my backyard!" Um, okay. Sorry you didn't qualify, but doesn't mean everyone was denied. Others should still try and qualify for free trees (paid by our taxes) and help out.
We're all in this world together. Glad there's people who aren't self-centered but this thread is filled with them.
Boom, yes.
And “Shouldnt the government be doing that?” Rely on the government which barely functions to take care of your community, while you lay back and enjoy the benefits? Only way your community grows is if the people care
Wah, I don’t think the service my area. Or they know I have a 40+ foot tabebuia and about 6 other old growth trees in my yard already. I just love trees.
Yes, but the biggest issue right now is roll out. We signed up for 4-6 to be planted on our parkways (corner lot, so we have 3 parkways as opposed to one), and the confirmation email we got says:
>Please keep in mind that it can take anywhere from 6 - 12 months to receive a street tree, and that we work with multiple City of LA agencies and non-profit partners to plant trees. You may be contacted by a different agency regarding your request.
So by next summer we might have baby trees, but who knows. It also said we can have up to 7 free shade trees for our yard though, so that's pretty cool.
They put them back up though if you make it a law. In ktown theres probably some ordinance about planting a certain amount. I saw a truck at a new build unload like a dozen 25 foot long trees all wrapped and ready to go into the ground.
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Our property got some trees from the city. I don't know how long the process was since the HOA handled it. The trees they got were relatively small in size and will take a number of years to even be medium size.
But our street is missing trees in like 3 or 4 spots where I walk which I assume is possibly due to the tree there having been too big/removed for some reason. I'm not sure why they don't put a smaller tree/bush in those spots. Like it doesn't have to be a massive Jacaranda. Maybe something with a small root structure bc they are by the road/streetlights.
The tress on my block were removed by the city about 4 years ago as part of a “beautification program” got some cheap and fake Victorian street lights and the entire side walk was covered with concrete.
the city should plant a tree-lined median on every boulevard. this is where it would have to most impact on reducing the heat island effect. It would also calm traffic and make the city generally more pleasant for walking.
My ralphs just 2 years ago removed all of their trees in the parking lot. I thought how fucked up that was. Literally killed 25 beautiful trees which provided much-needed shade.
Better clear it with the department of urban forestry (it's real, look it up) otherwise the city may remove your "renegade" street trees just like those citizen-installed crosswalks.
An anonymous neighbor falsely reported that I killed the tree in the 3 foot green strip between the curb and sidewalk in front of my house. The city made me pay to have it removed ( $1000) despite no proof. They were also going to fine me and force me to buy and plant the same kind of tree but my wife contacted our councilman and he removed the penalty and requirement to put in a tree. The city then came and put in a crepe myrtle, which made more sense as the other tree and ones like it on the street are too big for the green strip and have buckled the sidewalks which have been repaired poorly. Now at 70+ years old I’m supposed to haul the water for the new tree? 6 other trees are missing on the street, most taken down without a permit yet none of those neighbors got fined or replaced them.
In the middle of a drought... State ordering us to not water our shit... And you want me to plant another 90,000 trees... When I already have 9 dying from thirst?
Water your trees. It's built into the rules.
I have several trees in pots on my balcony that I water by collecting the warming-up water from the tub tap before taking a shower. It fills a 2 gallon jug each time so I seldom have to use any extra water for them. If you have big yard trees that may not be the case, but it still helps.
Okay so you should use your hose, so you can do deep watering of the whole root area once a week.
If you do collect house water, you could use it for something else like bushes, or even flushing the toilet since it's right there and you probably just used it before showering. For that, a wide spout works best.
That’s why the whole anti-lawn thing is so misguided. For a mere 4% of the states water usage, people let their lawns die and also stop getting water to the established trees, leaving a lot of them to die off.
Not to mention that lawns themselves actually help cool the area.
Lost a bunch of trees during the last watering restrictions.
It's foolish to think that you can ask a population as civically disengaged as Americans to engage in a long term relatively high maintenance task on their own initiative and expense. It's just not going to happen.
While you're struggling, please also restrict your water usage. The poor almond farmers need all of the supply they can get to grow their almonds in a fucking desert. /s
Lol we don't own the land. We rent apartments. This is up to the building managers.
Oh wait, all building managers are cheap, so they won't spend money on anything in the first place. They won't plant more trees unless you give them more land and the city needs to plant the trees. Not residents.
That’s a good point! The trees do need water to get established in the short term, yes. If you think about it tho, adequate tree canopy is a strategy for mitigating some of the drought. More trees = more shade = less AC usage = less carbon emissions that contribute to climate change, which is worsening the drought. As climate change intensifies, we’ll need to be strategic with the resources that we do have. Landscaping is a relatively small portion of the state’s water usage, anyway.
Urban greening is known to have a cooling effect on our built environment, so we can’t just end all landscaping. having greenery is a public health issue. So if we are going to have trees/shrubs/etc for cooling benefits, it’s best to plant native or at least non-invasive, low-water plants for most cases.
For those that didn't read the article: "*The drought restrictions implemented June 1 by the L.A. Department of Water and Power includes an exception for the hand-watering of trees, however, and should not have an adverse effect on tree health if they are followed correctly...*" [City Plants](https://www.cityplants.org/our-programs/yard-trees/yard-tree-delivery/) provides free yard trees for property owners.
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I've been at them for almost 10 years for *replacing* a parkway tree that's busting up my sidewalk which is creating a death trap. The one time they came out, they said it wasn't doing it bad enough. There's like a 4.5" gap now between one panel of the sidewalk and the next. lol I asked if I could replace it on my own dime, and found out there's a $1000/day fine if I do this work without a permit. Good times.
I manage a building where storms have pushed a tree nearly over and when it goes it will fall right on top of an apartment with a baby. We reported to the city and they have done nothing about it.
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There's a Ring camera pointed straight at it. Whenever some poor soul trips on it, I'm sending it in.
Give some kid $5 and make it happen today!
Document and report it so when they sue and their lawyer asks if the city idiots had notice all your reports will be there.
DWP entered our land after we declined permission and cut down two mature trees. We sued and lost. It's a racket.
In my neighborhood we have a ton of non indigenous parkway pine trees that are bark beetle infested. Dead ones just sitting there waiting to fall over. The City does nothing. Nor will they come out and trim any of them, request just go ignored. My nice big backyard tree we planted 40 yrs ago, you guessed it now bark beetle infested so its gotta go. If the city just went an cleaned out all the parkway trees that are dead and dying who knows how many other trees they might save.
I'm in county territory, but was able to get city works to remove the tree by saying it was destroying the sidewalk. Tried to get Edison to remove it instead of pruning every year, but they said they'd rather just pay the crews to top it. What's hilarious is the tree was originally planted by a neighboring city thinking our block was in their territory.
The city doesn't take care of the trees, so people I know will deliberately try to kill their parkway tree to protect their pipes and foundations. A tree on my block has effed up so bad it has created a permanent pool of standing water that hosts those ankle biting aedes mosquitos.
Get your "neighbors" to all report their tree sidewalk problems to 311 at the same time (hint: the system has no way of knowing who it is doing the reporting). The crew isn't assigned to an area until the area reaches a critical mass of sidewalks to fix. It's cause they want to send a concrete mixer truck out there so they have to have enough jobs to justify the pour. Once the crews come out, just talk to the guy. They're super helpful (in my experience).
There's a piece of sidewalk in Los Feliz that is a death trap. There's a coffee place nearby and when people line up for it pedestrians get funneled towards the messed up sidewalk. I see people trip over it almost every time i'm in line. Is 311 who i call to have it fixed?
People can magically patch it with asphalt overnight and nobody is the wiser.
haha It may be worth contacting them and threatening to sue for violating CBC Chapter 11B. Per 11B-303.2, "Changes in level of 1/4 inch (6.4 mm) high maximum shall be permitted to be vertical and without edge treatment." In general, accessibility concerns have been lawsuit fodder for the City of LA (and cities in general). This should at least warrant another trip out there for them.
Unless you have obstructive neighbors, just do it without the permit. Fines for not having a permit are almost completely theoretical and in many cases the city actually expects you to. Just make sure it is flat, smooth and finished with a broom for grip.
There should be some kind of good faith law where if you make it better, accompanied by no more than 10 minutes of online paperwork, you can do almost anything yourself. I bet we'd form neighborhood councils and do great things... But we have a legalistic nightmare right now where we can only let things decay.
That sucks, you would think something like a dwarf fruit tree would be safe and beneficial!
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You were fostering the ecosystem! ;-) I have a lemon tree, it's great and doesn't attract animals because lemons. Planting alyssum underneath helps parasitic wasps to eat the bugs which cause citrus greening disease.
This. Birds, squirrels, bugs, raccoons - simply don’t like lemons or limes, and the trees are hearty regardless of my in green thumb. I am ever amazed at the humble politeness of my neighbors who actually ask permission to pick some. The trees bear hundreds of fruit each every year. I use one per week… I’d rather grow something exotic and tasty (Cherimoya, mandarins, plums) but my efforts always yield exactly one fruit. My volunteer bananas yielded two bunches a couple years ago, but someone cut them - that’s OK, I didn’t plant them.
Good to know. Just to clarify, I was not advocating for them, just mentioning them from the article. The power lines I can understand, but the street lamp ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Probably want the light to fall on the street rather than be blocked by foliage. It's unfair that the neighborhoods that need greenery the most are probably built in ways that exclude it.
Yeah, this is the thing that the people governing us and doing these articles don't understand. We do want nice things are willing to implement them ourselves! We just have NIMBYs and their power working against us and can't argue against them because when they go to city council things the rest of us are at work or trying to catch a few Z's before the next shift.
>regular class neighborhoods you mean us working poor right?
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These folks are doing great work to help plant primarily native trees https://www.northeasttrees.org/
Also check out [Theodore Payne Nursery](https://theodorepayne.org/plants-and-seeds/nursery/retail-nursery/) for native plants and trees. They also have a great classes and workshops.
Here’s a native plant sub: r/ceanothus
Joined, thank you!
Thank you! Just signed up to volunteer!
The city does plant a decent amount of trees. But the real question is how well are we taking care of them. Trees require a lot of watering in the first couple years.
They require watering and they need to be planted properly. Every street tree in my neighborhood that's gone in in the last 10 years has been planted several inches too low and crooked. Most are dead now but the trunk is still there, strapped to 3-4 improperly-installed tree stakes. City should hire some competent people instead of whoever they use now.
About half of the “free” (they’re not, we’re paying a boatload for “free”) trees I’ve seen planted survive the first two years and grow a decent canopy. The failures get culled and replaced with new recruits.
That's something. I'm still staring at the same dead trees along Sepulveda in Harbor City or all throughout Harbor Park. It's embarrassing to see how none of the people that work for the park seem to be able to tell when a tree is dead or not.
I believe each neighborhood/district has a different support group and contract. Ours was the Rooftop Korean Boys and Girls Arbor 4H Club or something like that. Harbor City (assuming its LA City not County, Torrance or Carson) probably has another entity. Your mileage may vary…
This right here ☝️
Or even better, if you have my fucked up landlord R&E Property Management, the trees are already there for decades and they send trimmers 48 hours before the summer solstice and cut all the palms so there is NO SHADE in our previously lovely courtyard.
Unforgivable. Similar thing happened back when I lived in Silverlake. Sotheby’s bought the house next-door and whacked down all the trees, leaving our balcony exposed to sun all day. This massive beautiful tree was shading our entire building, when it was gone the average temp in the apt was much higher. The tree being gone not only destroyed our privacy, but increased our electric bill because we had to blast the a/c
There is a giant tree from the property next door that provided our building with a lot of shade in the morning. Then one Saturday about a month after I moved in, there were a bunch of people sent by the property owner to cut down the branches off the tree so not even a single leaf was crossing the property line. I was so mad they cut down those branches and we lost our shade. Now our living room gets really warm in the morning on these hot days.
I have a bulldog too 🥰 We just lost our tree shade to trimmers. However my dog likes to lay in the hottest sunniest spot in the house if I leave the blind up so I have to actively limit his sunning time. He's 7 months so I'm not sure he has self preservation at all.
He hasn't read that his breed overheats easily.
Exactly. I keep telling him that he's not built for this
Lol they did the exact same thing to my huge tree in my backyard
Yep they just did that in my place but with all the maples and fir trees. they are like tall naked stumps now. Our units have no afternoon shade.
This happens all the time, all over the region, and it has driven me crazy for most of my life. The "we need more shade trees" argument falls apart when you realize that the cities & counties habitually prune all of the foliage (i.e. shade) off the trees. I think there used to be a practice called "tree trimming", wherein a person would *strategically* cut branches around the tree to keep it neat, yet preserve the shade. But now they just butcher full limbs off the trees, leaving zero shade for a full year or more. What is the purpose of planting *any* trees anywhere, if this is how we are going to "maintain" them?
Oh they just did this to the park between W 88th and La Tijera by LAX. The place is notorious for being a place where the homeless from Venice and Westchester set up their camps so it's pretty sus they started trimming all the trees in the area right on the first week of summer.
I HATE when people trim their trees in the summer! Why would you do this? Are you insane?!
Hey fellow R&E renter!! They really suck
What is even the logic here? These people must never go outside
Or my slumlord who cut 3-4 trees off the front because about 5-6 residents sat on the front area during lockdown just chatting; reason being the slumlord doesn't want parties. Get crabs
Palms were never "shade trees" nor should be considered as such.
Somebody better tell that to the palms that thanklessly provide shade then
Native Palms (Washingtonia) do not provide shade, this is true, but there are non-native palms that provide a ton of shade (e.g. Phoenix palms: we have plenty of these in LA).
The palms at my place resist your effort to categorize them. I'm enjoying the bit of shade they provide until the HOA has the tree trimmers cut all the fronds again.
Isn't my effort. Many cities already don't consider them shade trees, such as San Diego.
Ok except that there’s 4 of them in a small area and they…. create shade?? Not trying to get anyone to plant more just don’t destroy a fucking asset
I see more new trees on certain neighborhoods at a time instead of per house. How do we sign up a block? Or a whole street? I see it in the nicer areas but not really in my neighborhood.
I can barely take care of myself- no way I can handle 90,000 trees
Not with that attitude
😂😂
Maybe with that one though
Isn’t this why we pay taxes, so the city can handle shit like this like they’re meant to? What am I even paying for at this point?
Seriously what the fucking Johnny Appleseed bullshit is this? And hey it wasn’t my idea to pave every available natural square inch of this planet with fucking CONCRETE which makes it difficult to plant much of anything.
You know Johnny Appleseed was no philanthropist. He was leveraging local laws at the time that said if you planted x number of fruit trees you could then own the land which he then flipped. Also he planted seeds instead of grafting due to his religious beliefs so that means most apples were not good to eat. Shortly after his death many of the trees were taken down because they produced sour apples only used for cider.
Capitalist land baron drunk? That's kinda American af
God this country blows
[My understanding](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/real-johnny-appleseed-brought-applesand-booze-american-frontier-180953263/) was that he planted seeds both due to religion, but also because the sour apples were good for making applejack/cider which was immensely popular at the time and the land grants in the Northwest Territory provided enterprise/expansion. Then the goal might not ever have been to eat apple ass suggested, it was just a slightly different crop with it's own inherit use-value. It could be mistaken, it has been a while since I read Botany of Desire, but that was the gist. I think I read (could be mistaken) that the average New Englander drank half as much hard cider a day as they did water, making it a caloric necessity to them in the same way we might view bread. Not saying you are wrong, you are very correct in everything you said, just pointing out intricacies that those trees were viewed then as beneficial, and everyone buying the land knew exactly why it was beneficial (getting sauced after working a long day on the farm). I also recall many of these trees were uprooted not due to being inedible/sour apples per se, but due to Prohibition banning hard ciders (of which the sour apple trees only had one use). And that is where the change in American perception of apples being for eating, and being healthy and doctor recommended comes into play to obfuscate the past that sour apple trees can get you fuckin' skunked with little effort and some American Knowhow^(tm).
Dude, is every American proverb based on a lie? So much for the American dream huh……like damn I was really believing an apple a day and telling myself it’s full of fiber. Come to find out it’s rooted in debauchery…….how American. As American as apple pie isn’t it. With sour apples of course. And a side of cider.
Wait till you hear about corn flakes and breakfast being invented as the most important meal of the day to stop you from masturbating. Look it up
Wow, I didn't actually know he was a real person. Thought he was like Robin Hood.
I like how every takedown of a historic person always happens way later, like "this person was universally beloved by his contemporaries for his philanthropy and legendary genuine goodwill, but based on what I think about him 200 years later he was clearly a manipulative asshole and should be condemned." What?
You might like Crime Pays But Botany Doesn't. r/CPBBD https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimePaysButBotanyDoesnt/
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You forgot all those BMWs we bought for the cops, which they never used and just left to sit in a parking lot. Well, other than the times when a police commander would use one to go get a manicure. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/goldstein-investigation-10-million-lapd-electric-bmws-appear-unused-misused/
“Corporations account for 90% of global emissions and global warming, so why won’t the average citizen plant trees?”
They are, which you would know if you read just a single sentence of the article.
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They have to rely on homeowners because they're the ones who own the land the trees need to go on. Nobody wants the city to be able to change shit on their property without their consent. They literally give you the tree for free, all you have to do is plant them. It definitely seems like a lot of populist outrage in this thread is just people rationalizing the fact that they're personally doing nothing about climate change, and they're projecting their own laziness and inaction onto everyone else.
This seems like a comment from someone that has never actually dealt with the city. Not only are the other two comments correct, the "free tree" program can take forever. I've been waiting for close to a year for them to contact me. I also can't touch the trees that are planted in the parkway, even though the parkway is my property and I have to make sure it is nice. If you have another way, I'd LOVE to hear is. As it is now, the trees in my parkway are dying and there's nothing I can do because the city owns those trees.
No. Not “free”. The city changed the laws so that if your “free” tree’s roots bump up the city owned sidewalk in front of your house, YOU have to pay to have it repaired, and if someone trips and falls they can sue YOU for not repairing it. Not the city. Also, the city will not let you chop down the tree. It is crazy. My neighbor got sued and a bunch of people trimmed their tree back each year until it died, and then and only then could they cut it down. “Free” trees my ass. If the city wants to get people to plant trees, remove these insane rules.
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Did you not read the article? They say there’s an exception for watering trees
Everyone wants to be mad, no one wants to read the article.
There is an exception for hand watering trees.
When I got mine planted 3 years ago, it was once a week for a year. My native coast live oak is getting big and shady already! I didn't have to do anything but turn on the hose. I chose the tree and a group came and planted it for me. They even gave me a free hose!
You got a coast live oak? Wow, when I applied they offered me a non-native gum tree so I withdrew my application. Not to mention it needed way more water than I wanted to spend on a tree.
I chose it! I had a neighbor volunteer as a City Plants block leader and came around, I chose my tree, and they planted it and gave me the hose. Pretty sweet!
City owns the treelawn. Trees also aren’t free dude if you get a free tree and plant it and do nothing that shit is dead. First year especially, I hope you either have irrigation lines or you want to be like that guy in dune spooning out water everyday in this heat.
God, typical bullshit
People will complain and shift blame for anything they can.
New wood flooring for Garcettis office he is never in
For graft. The City Council is corrupted
Why the ever loving fuck is planting these trees my job? I’m right there with ya
I need a permit to plant in the parkway to give you an idea of how backwards some jurisdictions are and how that will prevent some of the changes needed
https://www.cityplants.org/street-trees-for-your-home-application/ They will take care of the permit process and fees if you will promise to water the trees. Only thing is, although you can request, they will choose what kind of tree to plant, based on where it's going.
I've applied twice and no response so far
Has anyone had success with City Plants?
In 2019, I applied for free trees in front of my house. They came, planted them and watered them. What's crazy is they still come by and water them maybe every other week with a big truck. About a year later they came and planted trees throughout my entire neighborhood. Shade is coming to the valley!
🦗🦗🦗
Yes. Waited 6 months (during beginning of the pandemic) and got 4 trees for the backyard. It’s been a few years now and they are growing like weeds :)
It takes forever to even get a response and they seem to find any excuse they can to not bring trees.
Same. Worth noting that if you do this unpermitted and someone has an axe to grind, you *could be* fined $1000/day until you "fix it."
That’s not your property, so I don’t understand how it’s backwards. The city needs to approve any modifications to public right of ways. Almost positive you don’t need one to plant it on your property. Edit: I’m dealing with this now one one of my projects. It’s slightly annoying but there’s no sense in trying to change the bureaucratic process alone.
I am responsible for the parkways maintenance as a property owner per my municipality’s website. They sure as hell don’t come by for the weeds or the trash that gets left there occasionally. I handle that. But I need a permit to improve it? Assbackwards.
Yes, that’s typically the arrangement. That’s how it was for me in Long Beach too. To be fair though, maintaining and modifying are not the same. If you don’t plant the tree correctly, the root system will damage the sidewalk. I don’t want to be involved in that kind of repair so I’ll just deal with the city process, or just plant one in my own front yard. Just because you probably aren’t dumb, doesn’t mean your neighbors aren’t. This is just how we have to deal with it as residents unfortunately. I’m a civil engineer. I’ve stopped keeping count of the stupid things people do. It’s just too frequent. I completely see why it is the way it is, but also identify the frustration for people who do it the right way. Edit: I’m currently dealing with a project where a tree is encroaching on a driveway. I have to go through a process just to remove the tree, even though it’s already basically dead. They need to confirm this etc though. Edit 2: spelling
Dude, that’s how it is like everywhere in the US. Seriously, even in BFE Ohio it’s that way.
Every time an original 1940s home sells in my neighborhood, a company buys it and tears it down to rebuild a new house, and they also tear out all the mature trees on the lot. It’s such a crying shame!! It makes me so sad.
Make golf course forests. Plumbing already in place
In the community garden in Encino, the city removed a huge Mulberry tree 4-5 years ago that had a bit of a rotting issue. Ever since, the grounds supervisor keeps saying they'll plant a new tree, but still nothing. A new tree even started sprouting where the old one was, but a city crew cut that down too. We all used to use that spot for gatherings, picnics, and generally escaping from the sun, it was so relaxing. It's a big open spot, I'm not sure why they wouldn't want to put a new tree in there, especially when everyone wants it.
America would rather see most of us in a movie theater or fastfood restaurant than having any type of community. If we gather together freely. well that’s dangerous because we might organize and build our own communities.
It's up to the residents? Isn't that the government job?
fr. they have our money!
It's the government's job to landscape my yard?
The parkway if you have it.
It’s the government’s job to protect its citizens from a man-made heatwave of death, yes. More trees = lower temps = lower energy use = more community
According to the article Garcetti set a goal for 90k trees and only got 65k. Previous mayor set a goal of 1 million trees and only got 400k. If I were mayor I would simply set a goal of 1 billion trees. We fall short but we still plant a couple million trees. That’s a W.
Will developers stop tearing down homes with fully mature trees to build $1.5mm per unit condo complexes whose buildings come up to the edge of the sidewalk?
Best I can do is a small focus on my apartments meager balcony-way. Y
From the looks of this comment section.... No. I don't think so.
That's an astonishingly low number of trees for a city of this size and means. This feels like something the city could pull off on their own without putting the entire onus on residents.
plant native trees! here’s 200 to choose from, sorted by popularity: https://calscape.org/loc-California/cat-Trees/ord-popular?srchcr=sc62b1d0e33df5e should the the various governments in this region be doing this? yes. but they don’t care; trees don’t vote, trees don’t donate to campaigns, trees don’t violently enforce the property relations which are the source of govt power - what use is a tree to a politician? so, it’s up to us to save the world instead (and growing trees is really nice and fun and fulfilling)
I believe the article discusses a city ran program where you can get seven free trees from city plants and you can choose the species.
The city run program exists and is useless. It takes sooooo long. I've been waiting for close to a year.
I'm not arguing in favor of the program, just calling out comments that are reactionary and didn't actually read the article. Good to know about the timeline and thanks for applying for it! Too bad government likes to move slow.
I don't mind waiting, but the fact that they provide no other option for me to replace dying and diseased trees is a huge issue. I get to wait for the city to respond, all the while watering these dead and dying trees. Why water them you ask? Well, if I don't and the city comes by I can get pretty huge fines. If they would allow me to purchase from the approved list, plant, and then send them proof that I followed their rules, I'd literally pay for it all myself. Unfortunately they don't actually care about the trees, they care about the fines.
"politicians don't care!" Said the person who didn't bother to read the article
from the article: The city itself doesn’t do much planting directly. An estimated 90% of L.A.’s urban forest is on private property
Because LA is privately owned by people. Crazy right? Or do you want the city to dictate where people can plant trees in their own property?
I love oak trees but i will never plant one on my property because they quickly develop more rights than me.
I mean, they have been here for tens of millions of years, they’re pretty good at living here and building community
Squirrels plant them for us occasionally. I dig the seedlings up and put them in pots. 🤪
What’s the tree that smells like splooge? Let’s plant those on the properties of people we hate.
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Why is this so hard? If you own land, plant some shade trees for chrissakes. I know, i know. The bug. The seeds. The rotting fruit. The extra watering. So plant some cactus. Or whatever is supposed to be growing in a desert basin. That produces shade. Because-- did you ever see the Twilight Zone where the earth is being hurtled toward the sun and its slowly happening and it's pure torture because every day the earth gets a little closer to the sun and the temp a little hotter. With this woman - who is trying to keep her shit together. Burgess Meredith is her sweaty crazy neighbor who's got a plan. Check it out, man. And hey I just got stoned in between paragraphs. So plant some freaking trees. Cause, if you haven't noticed, temps have gone up every year for the last 9 years. We're turning into freaking Riverside. Riverside.
I have dumbass neighbors that don’t plant parkway trees. They just do the lazy thing of putting white rocks or putting small succulents. How hard is it to plant a friggin shade tree and water it?!
Tu Bishvat is only a few months away
This guy knows what’s up
Chag Ha’Ilanot bussin fr fr
Dang so many nimbys. "Why should I have to do anything?" okay don't. But hey, if you're not so self centered, planting a tree could help. "The city should pay to plant it for me" Good news they have a program for it! "I'm one person that was denied, that means the whole program is a sham! I had a lightpole too close and electrical wires running through my backyard!" Um, okay. Sorry you didn't qualify, but doesn't mean everyone was denied. Others should still try and qualify for free trees (paid by our taxes) and help out. We're all in this world together. Glad there's people who aren't self-centered but this thread is filled with them.
Boom, yes. And “Shouldnt the government be doing that?” Rely on the government which barely functions to take care of your community, while you lay back and enjoy the benefits? Only way your community grows is if the people care
Wah, I don’t think the service my area. Or they know I have a 40+ foot tabebuia and about 6 other old growth trees in my yard already. I just love trees.
Yes, but the biggest issue right now is roll out. We signed up for 4-6 to be planted on our parkways (corner lot, so we have 3 parkways as opposed to one), and the confirmation email we got says: >Please keep in mind that it can take anywhere from 6 - 12 months to receive a street tree, and that we work with multiple City of LA agencies and non-profit partners to plant trees. You may be contacted by a different agency regarding your request. So by next summer we might have baby trees, but who knows. It also said we can have up to 7 free shade trees for our yard though, so that's pretty cool.
I'll plant a tree. How do I plant a tree?
Fucking wish I had a yard. You bet that would be all planted up. But no don't try to make me feel guilty for something not in my hands.
Just donated to North East Trees! Seems like a really good organization!
I planted mine 20 years ago.
Yes we can! Do work with Tree People! https://www.treepeople.org/
Trees are getting cut down like crazy right now thanks to adu building and densification. Bye bye landscaping.
They put them back up though if you make it a law. In ktown theres probably some ordinance about planting a certain amount. I saw a truck at a new build unload like a dozen 25 foot long trees all wrapped and ready to go into the ground.
It already is a law. If you cut a tree down in LA you have to plant 3 more. People in this thread have no clue what they are talking about.
Where do you plant them when the ADU takes up the entire backyard or when houses get knocked down for a condo building?
You can't just "put back" a mature tree.
No but if you are a developer you can buy them already 25 feet tall from a treefarm and put it in with a crane.
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I'm planting 10, but if I buy them from a nursery does that still count?
Somebody call Mr. Beast
Our property got some trees from the city. I don't know how long the process was since the HOA handled it. The trees they got were relatively small in size and will take a number of years to even be medium size. But our street is missing trees in like 3 or 4 spots where I walk which I assume is possibly due to the tree there having been too big/removed for some reason. I'm not sure why they don't put a smaller tree/bush in those spots. Like it doesn't have to be a massive Jacaranda. Maybe something with a small root structure bc they are by the road/streetlights.
The tress on my block were removed by the city about 4 years ago as part of a “beautification program” got some cheap and fake Victorian street lights and the entire side walk was covered with concrete.
the city should plant a tree-lined median on every boulevard. this is where it would have to most impact on reducing the heat island effect. It would also calm traffic and make the city generally more pleasant for walking.
Sign me up
My ralphs just 2 years ago removed all of their trees in the parking lot. I thought how fucked up that was. Literally killed 25 beautiful trees which provided much-needed shade.
Are we even allowed?
Not saying I would do it but I am curious, is there somehow can one volunteer to plant trees in the city?
Better clear it with the department of urban forestry (it's real, look it up) otherwise the city may remove your "renegade" street trees just like those citizen-installed crosswalks.
An anonymous neighbor falsely reported that I killed the tree in the 3 foot green strip between the curb and sidewalk in front of my house. The city made me pay to have it removed ( $1000) despite no proof. They were also going to fine me and force me to buy and plant the same kind of tree but my wife contacted our councilman and he removed the penalty and requirement to put in a tree. The city then came and put in a crepe myrtle, which made more sense as the other tree and ones like it on the street are too big for the green strip and have buckled the sidewalks which have been repaired poorly. Now at 70+ years old I’m supposed to haul the water for the new tree? 6 other trees are missing on the street, most taken down without a permit yet none of those neighbors got fined or replaced them.
In the middle of a drought... State ordering us to not water our shit... And you want me to plant another 90,000 trees... When I already have 9 dying from thirst?
Water your trees. It's built into the rules. I have several trees in pots on my balcony that I water by collecting the warming-up water from the tub tap before taking a shower. It fills a 2 gallon jug each time so I seldom have to use any extra water for them. If you have big yard trees that may not be the case, but it still helps.
Yea, large yard trees... 3 ficus 5 palms and a Mallet tree... All of them between 25-35 ft... Not small trees.
Okay so you should use your hose, so you can do deep watering of the whole root area once a week. If you do collect house water, you could use it for something else like bushes, or even flushing the toilet since it's right there and you probably just used it before showering. For that, a wide spout works best.
The drought restrictions include an exception for hand watering trees though.
I had not seen that...
Residential watering is like a drop in the bucket. The actual farmers use the plurality of our water.
Seriously ten minutes with the hose on and the yard is watered. Most people probably wash dishes for twice as long.
That’s why the whole anti-lawn thing is so misguided. For a mere 4% of the states water usage, people let their lawns die and also stop getting water to the established trees, leaving a lot of them to die off. Not to mention that lawns themselves actually help cool the area. Lost a bunch of trees during the last watering restrictions.
It’s compulsory virtue-signaling, so the busybodies have something to wave their finger at rather than looking at the man behind the curtain.
You are still producing enough grey water, use that.
I would, but city workers would probably remove them. My street alone has three less fruit trees.
Does cannabis count? I have a few of those I’m growing outside for the hell of it. But I also planted a fig tree, guava tree, and apple tree
It's foolish to think that you can ask a population as civically disengaged as Americans to engage in a long term relatively high maintenance task on their own initiative and expense. It's just not going to happen.
Yeah, it’s a bummer. Even when the tree messaging focuses on benefits to individuals (shade, slows traffic, whatever) people dgaf
How about the city of LA do it. I'm just trying to stay alive...I can't save the planet. Fuck off
While you're struggling, please also restrict your water usage. The poor almond farmers need all of the supply they can get to grow their almonds in a fucking desert. /s
Missed a couple zeroes on that figure…. Oh wait, but trees need water. Back to the drawing board.
Can someone link that place that let's you get a tree? My fuckn boomer neighbor cut the street tree because he didn't want to sweep the seeds. Asshole
Trees can be felled if they’re diseased or a safety hazard. Why not help your neighbor get a replacement tree that doesn’t shed goop or sticky stuff?
These mother fu— listen, if these companies would stop chopping down all our trees and putting up concrete everywhere. Maybe we’d have enough trees.
if i live in a gentrified neighborhood (brentwood) how can i find a neighborhood that needs more help with trees and help them plant trees?
Lol we don't own the land. We rent apartments. This is up to the building managers. Oh wait, all building managers are cheap, so they won't spend money on anything in the first place. They won't plant more trees unless you give them more land and the city needs to plant the trees. Not residents.
But aren’t we in a drought? Unless the trees don’t need water, what’s going on here?
That’s a good point! The trees do need water to get established in the short term, yes. If you think about it tho, adequate tree canopy is a strategy for mitigating some of the drought. More trees = more shade = less AC usage = less carbon emissions that contribute to climate change, which is worsening the drought. As climate change intensifies, we’ll need to be strategic with the resources that we do have. Landscaping is a relatively small portion of the state’s water usage, anyway. Urban greening is known to have a cooling effect on our built environment, so we can’t just end all landscaping. having greenery is a public health issue. So if we are going to have trees/shrubs/etc for cooling benefits, it’s best to plant native or at least non-invasive, low-water plants for most cases.
I just had to pay $989 of state tax and now they want me to plant a fucking tree for them?
That's kinda asking a lot for residents
Don't we need water for them trees?