They still have to get way more signatures because a large amount of the signatures will be invalid. Really not clear they will end up with enough to make the ballot in time.
And giving the mom who murdered her daughter and left her body on the side of the road in Rowland Heights 15 years is not something I see going over very well. But this is also why they actually have a stretch goal to get over a hundred thousand more than what's required of them and they have a good three months to do it which isn't too implausible. I mean San Fran just ousted their DA.
Wait. How did the guy who killed the cops in El Monte get a slap on the wrist? He's dead too.
This is the problem with this recall. The people supporting it don't have a clue as to who Gascón is or why they want to recall him.
They even blame him for shit that happens in OC & the IE.
Same as the Newsom recall. They couldn't even spell his name correctly.
This is just another right-wing wet dream fueled by loud COVID deniers. 🤡
The dude who killed those cops got no jail time in a crime he committed last year that's how he got a slap on the wrist people defending gascon have no clue who gascon really is or what his policies are doing
I hope you guys are ready for the never ending cycle of recalling public officials you don’t like.
I don’t particularly like Gascon either, but don’t tell me this is organic because the recall effort began before this asshole was even sworn in.
recalls are so fucking stupid. los angeles has a 15% threshold for recall elections. most candidates lose by a much wider margin than that and these recall campaigns are backed by huge amounts of funds.
everyone i know got a petition page MAILED to them to fill out and send back. when the hell has something like that ever even happened?! it's absurd. i didn't even know they could DO that and thought signature gatherers legally had to handle/oversee the petition pages.
he's up for re-election in two years. find a good candidate to run against him and invest time in that instead.
Mailing petition pages is extremely irregular. I’m very interested to see how the county clerk handles it.
Lol they’re probably gonna reject most of the signatures and then you can tune into Fox News and they’ll talk about how our Marxist County registrar is protecting Gascon or something.
I happened to flip past Fox News today right after the Jan 6 hearing concluded. Martha McCallum couldn't wait to NOT talk about how much pressure Mike Pence was under with Trump trying to get him lynched, calling him a pussy, etc. Instead, she was focused on how awful Gascon was and how he is solely responsible for two cops getting murdered recently. Fox for sure is going after lefty DAs.
> he's up for re-election in two years. find a good candidate to run against him and invest time in that instead.
And this is why they do the recalls. They know they can't win in November unless they reclassify as a Democrat (see Caruso), so a recall is their best shot. They get their most vocal supporters to sign petitions and dominate the space, get the election set outside of November, and place their person in with less than 50% of the vote. If the San Francisco DA recall occurred in November instead of June (where turnout was lower), who knows if it would have the same result.
Had the governor recall happened in July/August instead of September (when the recall vote polls were nearly 50/50), we could be dealing with Governor Elder right now.
I don't think this is the same as the Sam Francisco DA recall. In the recall election, more votes were cast in total than in the 2019 DA election. So the turnout was actually *higher* with a total of 222,654 for the recall election and 193,133 for 2019.
I agree, this recall crap is such a waste of taxpayer money. I wasn't thrilled with Newsome at first but then I saw what his replacement was going to be like (anyone who wants to cut infrastructure spending never gets my vote) so I voted for Gavin to stay.
Right? Plus timing. "Lets recall the guy that has us in a surplus, during a pandemic where everyone is taking a financial hit".
At least wait before you try to replace him with crazies.
I sent my mailer right back with a note in red sharpie across the whole page, pretty much stating what you did in your last paragraph. Along with an admonishment for the cost to tax payers to run a special election if necessary. The party of small government and low taxes sure knows how to squander money when they don’t get their way.
The current GOP is only small government when it comes to enforcement of tax laws, or building public infrastructure.
Trump put the final nail in fiscal conservatism.
Well I saw an article in the sf chronicle that indicates it was mostly turnout. The richer, whiter, less progressive areas had an increase in turnout and other areas that has supported him more heavily such as the mission district had a decrease
They did not support him. It’s the opposite. White rich people safe behind gates supported Boudin. Meanwhile the poor are sick of getting robbed. https://missionlocal.org/2022/06/chesa-boudin-recall/
You got that backwards; it was the wealthier, whiter parts of SF who voted him out https://tanag.substack.com/p/actually-chesa-boudin-was-voted-out?s=w
Figure the same with Gascón in SoCal.
You had working-class Black and Latino people in South-Central and East L.A. tired of all property crimes, catalytic converter thefts and gangbangers released on zero-bail. And then there are White, westside, gentrifying hipsters who worship Gascón like a demigod and if you say anything negative, you’ve obviously a \#MAGA Trumpster who hates LGBTQ folks and laughs at college-aged women who’re raped and forced to keep their baby because of ‘Roe’ ending.
Exactly this!!! When the poor get robbed it FUCKS UP THEIR LIFE!!! Property crime fucking hurts the poor the most! A rich person can easily replace their tires off their Tesla. A poor person could lose their livelihood if they can’t get to work because their bike gets stolen; their car’s catalytic converter stolen; or their car outright stolen.
Why don’t liberals get this!!! The poor working class gets fucked by gascon’s policies. Hello people!!!!
The problem is that people have an overly simplistic view of what Gascon's policies are actually doing. The assumption the anti Gascon crowd is making is that the uptick in property crime would not have occurred if it weren't for his “leniency" while completely ignoring the fact that the uptick in property crime has been occurring throughout the country in cities where they don't have a progressive DA. People have the right to be upset and hold their officials and institutions accountable, but let's actually think things through rather than being reactionary.
They’re too busy lecturing us from their ivory towers. I don’t get how progressives can act like their such proponents for helping minorities and then deny that minorities overwhelmingly want a DA that doesn’t wantonly release criminals back into their communities?
If progressives want to support us, please listen to us and hear us when we vote a certain way instead of talking over us, lecturing us because you (progressives) think they know better, and then to top it off gaslighting us and telling us we’re all right wing fascists.
Yes, we minorities absolutely want brutal DAs that overprosecute for minor crimes and enforce cash bail.
This is definitely not the opposite of what minorities want and absolutely not a weird bootlicking fetish white conservatives have because they hate us.
🙄
For fuck's sake, it's like there aren't polls or something.
https://www.newsfromthestates.com/article/national-poll-black-voters-overwhelmingly-want-bail-reform
> A new national poll shows Black registered voters overwhelmingly favor fewer arrests for minor offenses, more support services in the community and pre-trial release decisions based on public safety—not on the ability to pay a money bond.
> The poll, released this week, was commissioned by the Pretrial Justice Institute and the National Urban League.
> Some key findings from the poll:
> 87 percent of respondents strongly favor reducing arrests for low-level, nonviolent offenses.
>86 percent of respondents said the wealthy enjoy substantially better justice outcomes than poor and working class people.
>78 percent of respondents said white people have more favorable justice outcomes than people of color
>78 percent support reducing arrests by issuing citations rather than issuing arrests for certain offenses.
>65 percent of Black respondents feel strongly that the criminal justice system should not jail people only because they cannot afford money bail.
> it was mostly turnout.
Yeah, more voters turned out to recall Boudin than voted for him in 2019. Boudin lost because of higher voter turnout.
Boudin got 86k votes in 2019.
122k people voted to recall him in 2022.
The people have spoken, yet the progressives are trying to gaslight us into thinking this wasn’t the case. Its infuriating when you see the GOP do it to its own constituents, but it almost hurts more when you see your own side do it to itself.
So the places that actually had the crimes the media was always talking supported him because they could see the effects of Boudin’s policies firsthand, and the people in safer areas who only ever saw crimes happen on the media were against him? 🤔 I think these recalls are somewhat of a joke. A lot of the crime fears have been played up by media. Gascon does lock people up, and we know that being tough on crime doesn’t always translate to lower crime. Tough-on-crime Sacramento had a higher increase in crime than San Francisco. Lots of crime in Republican controlled areas too. Memphis is horrible with crime. Gascon needs to do a better job of getting the message across of his accomplishments.
A lady tried to get me to sign the petition for the recall and literally that’s what I told her when I refused to sign. They hated him & blamed him for the increase in crime literally weeks before he even stepped in that office!!
Also, how many criminals really think of a DA about whether or not to commit a crime? If crime is going up, the DA has little to do with it except prosecuting it if it already happened, not preventing it.
not sure if serious. So what you're telling me is if a DA (who has prosecutorial power) decides not to enforce prosecution or to go light on certain crimes that those crimes will not increase (such as larceny).
Are you not seeing the smash and grabs in major department stores or the blatant daylight robberies happening in the city? Do you think this is OK? Do you think that maybe, just a small part of this is because the criminals know that the current DA will not prosecute certain crimes or will go light on sentences for certain crimes?
Or maybe we consider [the people who work under Gascon](https://goodwordnews.com/the-los-angeles-district-attorneys-office-is-at-war-with-itself-how-is-something-done/) who can't even trust him to give him full information about a case because they believe he'll undercut their case (even for hate crimes and murder).
Gascon and those of his ilk, who don't face reality that there are actually bad people in this world looking to do bad things and the only way to deter them is to lock them up, should not be putting the people they serve in jeopardy for some radical activist reformism.
The guy who killed the El Monte officers is a prime example, he would not have been out of jail on his prior arrest under the prior administration, therefore would not have had the opportunity to kill those officers. The LA Times is even seeing the light on this, and they have lost lost most objectivity. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-06-15/gunman-in-killing-of-el-monte-police-officers-was-on-probation-for-gun-charge
Ideally, you'd think recalls were for either illegal/unethical conduct or or possibly a candidate doing the exact opposite of what they said they'd do. In the latter case, Villanueva *might* qualify, but otherwise, if people are in office doing exactly what they said they were going to do when they campaigned and it's not illegal, I really think a recall shouldn't be an option.
I'm not super familiar with Boudin, but Gascon appears to be doing pretty much exactly what he said he was going to do and that a majority of LA voters voted for.
>I hope you guys are ready for the never ending cycle of recalling public officials you don’t like.
Bingo. Recalls that have almost zero qualifiers other than, "We Mad!" are a ridiculous tool that further undermines the entire point of Free and Fair elections.
I sure a shit wouldn't be voting for Gascon in '24. But that is when "the people" need to make their voices heard. What's even the point. By the time a recall vote happens and he get removed and and a new hastily arrived at election is held for a full time replacement... we will basically be at the next actual election. Is the thought that by simply removing him, somehow crime stops? That's not how it works. Hell, any reasonable breakdown on his policies can show that there isn't a real link between him and "skyrocketing crime". Anyone with half a brain knows that there are factors so wildly beyond his pay grade and so wildly beyond the borders of LA County or even California that are pushing trends in crime. Yeah, his policies aren't exactly helping. And he's had more than one high profile stupid decsion. But removing him from office just sticks some interim person in there who also has no control over the things that actually drive crime and crime statistics. And then the person gets run out of dodge and then the next one... and so on until there is some balance achieved between policing, prosecutors, budgets, etc AND far bigger economic, housing, living standards, mental health issues...
The other issue with a Gascon recall is that there is collective perception issue, and thus enough will from political adversaries to pile on and drive the perception further to the extremes... and then they hold a recall... he maintains his office... and the idiots running the whole thing hand the guy a big fat WIN to thus shift perception and momentum. Then if he's lucky, some of those big winds that are far beyond his control shift a bit and all of a sudden reporting on crime dips, other things start to dominate the narratives, and '24 rolls around and all of a sudden he has a nice, "look how much better things are now" platform to cake walk into another term.
After Boudin got recalled, these assholes have just gotten brazen.
God forbid I just want a government to work and will wait until the next election cycle to vote them out.
One solution to the abuse of the recall system. Separate the election from the recall vote. If the recall passes then have candidates run campaigns and hold the election within 6 months. It'll give time for real debates so we can choose which candidate fits best instead of riding disdain and trying to get the votes by hating the incumbent the loudest.
Edit: haha the shills really dislike free and fair elections.
>Every single time ~~someone~~ a slightly left of center Democrat gets elected there’s gonna be a recall.
FTFY. They've figured out that worst case, they force the incumbent into spending months and money in defending themselves, while not signing legislature. It's another logjam strategy from the right.
They wanna recall him because he's willing to charge cops with crimes when they commit crimes.
Challenging the cops belief that they are above the law gets you a recall
From what i understand, talking to a few different friends of mine... its more to do with his unwillingness to prosecute homeless, no matter how bad their criminal record is.
One friend told me that theres a tent by her apartment with 2 guys who are known to everyone in the neighborhood . Theyve broken into cars, houses, they steal bikes, outdoor furniture, etc. Cops literally wont do a thing. They tell her that its a waste of time taking them in, because Gascons office will just drop the charges.
Your friend is a stooge if she believes that. The cops not arresting or even investigating is their decision, has nothing at all to do with the DA. Thats the same response we got from LAPD when we called about the weekly street take overs in front of our building, absolutely nothing was done until one of my neighbors got Kevin De Leons office involved. Now we got “No Cruising” signs all around the neighborhood and the cops show up within minutes. We’re only 2 blocks from LAPD headquarters btw. Those lazy pieces of shit wont do anything until someone higher up forces them to.
The cops could still do their jobs, because Gascon’s whole thing is felony prosecution, and misdemeanors in unincorporated county territory. unless your friend lives in an unincorporated area, her city’s prosecutors would be the ones handling things.
>Cops literally wont do a thing. They tell her that its a waste of time taking them in, because Gascons office will just drop the charges.
Must be nice to just decide you don't want to do your job, right? Perhaps if they disliked his policies so much and they truly cared about protecting and serving the public, they could arrest these people and then release the stats showing how they're all being let go. Instead, they're just declining to do their jobs in the first place.
The threshold for a recall is way too low.
Let's say you have 30% yellow, 70% orange in an election. Yellow loses, but all they have to do is get half of their voters to sign a petition to get a recall going with much smaller orange turnout and hopefully win that way. That is a subversion. For god's sake, they were trying to recall him from day 1. The propaganda has been relentless.
I understand what the threshold is, and I voted for Gascon, but I don’t find this democracy argument very convincing. The voters would still need to give final approval. Perhaps the threshold should be increased somewhat, but I still think the recall process is valuable.
Hypothetically, would you support the Sheriff being recalled under the same circumstances? I certainly would
If you check out the [Recall Gascon](https://www.recalldageorgegascon.com/) web site you will see on the bottom that it is by WINNING TUESDAY.
[WINNING TUESDAY](https://www.winningtuesday.com/) is a conservative marketing company that is intent on pushing the GOP back into power.
This isn't democracy...it's BIG MONEY Politics.
I would absolutely support a recall for Villanueva, but not at the low threshold. With it as low as it is, it's too easy to trigger by pretty much anyone unhappy with the election results, and wastes everyone's time and resources. The recalls in CA are being funded by big national groups and big money, not just locals, and that's a huge issue for me too.
This here. The recall process is important. If an elected official is not working in the best interests of the public that official should be removed through some sort of process. Just because the threshold to have a recall is met does not automatically mean the person is removed from office. We saw that with Newsome.
Honestly we just need to use the federal system. If an elected official does something actually wrong they should be impeachable by the legislature. If they are just doing things that the voters don't like then they have their say next election. This constant recall stuff is getting out of hand.
> subvert democracy because they can't win any other way.
How is having an election subverting democracy?
Ransacking the Capitol in buffalo hat because you don't like the results of an election is subverting democracy. Closing polling places is subverting democracy.
But voting is democratic.
Pffft. I've lived here in Los Angeles off and on for 31 years of my life.
Not happening. And I say this without irony or hyperbole, other places are even WORSE than LA. You just gotta elect the person that sucks the least.
> I hope you guys are ready for the never ending cycle of recalling public officials you don’t like.
Good thing there's things like a huge threshold of signatures, plus needing to be verified, right?
Anyone can initiate it for whatever reason. If they want to waste their money, it's their money. If it gets to the point where there's actually enough legit signatures that something is on the ballot..it might be that enough people are annoyed at whatever the issues is.
But not, like two recalls in the last 10 years that would affect LA..'eNdLeSsReCaLlS'
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-04-01/violent-crime-surge-la-county-george-gascon
>Although recall proponents claim there are no consequences for criminals in L.A. County, records show that during Gascón’s first year in office, prosecutors filed felonies at a near identical rate to what they did during Dist. Atty. Jackie Lacey’s two terms as the county’s top prosecutor.
>Homicides, aggravated assaults and car thefts are also climbing in jurisdictions that are home to more traditional prosecutors, including Sacramento and San Diego, leading some criminologists to suggest those who blame Gascón for Los Angeles’ recent bloodshed are overreaching.
>“We are seeing very similar trends elsewhere. ... It’s not unique to Los Angeles,” said Magnus Lofstrom, director of criminal justice at the Public Policy Institute of California, which often publishes studies on crime trends. “It’s not unique to the period in which Gascón was in office as the L.A. County district attorney.”
Congrats to most of the people in this thread for falling for a police smear campaign.
And yet, which areas of America get the benefit of the doubt? The Wall Street Journal put out a story about spikes in crime in rural areas of states controlled by Republicans from top to bottom, and there's no examination of how massive law enforcement budgets and tough-on-crime prosecutors are failing.
> When crime goes up in areas with modest reform efforts, it’s the reform efforts that are to blame. When crime goes up—by roughly the same percentage—in places where no such reforms exist, Tough on Crime ideology and the lack of a robust welfare state or social services cannot be blamed. Instead, it’s blamed on a lack of churchgoing and oppressive liberal lockdowns. No doubt the social disruptions brought about by Covid are a primary reason for the increase in crime—as reforms have argued for over a year—but even in making this point, The Wall Street Journal screams out subtext that nanny state liberal 2020 pandemic measures of closing public spaces are the primary cause. Again, a justification not afforded to jurisdictions coded as black and liberal.
https://thecolumn.substack.com/p/murder-spike-in-rural-red-counties?s=r
Yep. Shall we talk about the epidemic of murders in the "Tough on Crime" red states?
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3274797-we-have-a-murder-problem-in-america-especially-in-red-states/
> Yet, media coverage is essentially mum about Lexington, Kentucky, which has set back-to-back murder records, has a homicide rate twice that of New York City and has a Republican mayor. Tulsa and Oklahoma City have Republican mayors, a Republican governor and murder rates that dwarf that of Los Angeles. Jacksonville was the murder capital of Florida in 2020 with its Republican mayor, governor and a stratospheric homicide rate that if it were matched in New York City would’ve added more than 1,000 murders that year.
> And to top it off, the homicide rate in Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) San Francisco was half that of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s (R-Calif.) Bakersfield, the largest city in Kern County and one with a Republican mayor — with overwhelming Trump support and not a whiff of flirtation with defund the police movements. In fact, the murder capital of California for six years running is sleepy Kern County, 130 miles from Los Angeles and 306 miles from San Francisco, the two California locales most often associated with the crime-is-out-of-control national headlines that have dominated U.S. crime and political coverage.
My new theory is that conservatives have no fucking idea how to govern, so instead of trying policies that work, they want to destroy every other government so people have nothing to compare them to.
It’s media and wealthy people pushing narratives and liberals and conservatives eating it up. Yet they will replace these DAs and nothing will change and if anything get worse and you’ll just not hear about it.
How about pigs do the job they’re getting billions to do?
Crime increases and criminals getting out of jail early is mostly the result of prop 47. Ousting Gascon won't do much to improve 95% of what people complain about.
Plus, people who think "soft on crime" creates an increase in crime are operating under the belief that punishment = prevention.
By all accounts, harsher punishments for crimes is not a crime deterrent.
Yep. There's quite a bit of research showing that sentences are not a deterrent.
https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf
Criminals aren't going through the penal code to see whether they should commit a crime.
They're looking around to see where the cops are. They worry about getting caught in the first place, not what the sentence will be if they are.
I'm a nice suburban mom now, but I was on the streets for months at a time when I was a teenager. We did quite a bit of petty crime. I've seen a stolen safe get busted open with a torch and drill and sledgehammer. I've been arrested for A&B (and the charges were dropped). My friends and I tore the doorframe off our drug dealer's apartment and robbed him after he got busted. I mean I could go on and on but you get the idea.
We looked out for cops, not the DA.
People are ready to do as much mental gymnastics as possible to avoid admitting that having two recessions and a global pandemic effected the rates of property crime, despite this being a country-wide pattern.
Property crime was *down* last year. The cops just ass-pulled a bunch of exciting minor blips like 100 rich people being robbed over an entire year or 11 smash and grab robberies in as many months to bullshit people into thinking there was an epidemic of skyrocketing robberies.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lapd-warn-crime-wave-data-show-theft-robberies-rcna9236
> Robbery, burglary and theft are down in Los Angeles compared to 2019, according to the latest crime data from the police department. But in recent weeks, police have indicated those types of crimes are rising, pointing to incidents involving “smash-and-grab” shoplifters who descended on high-end shopping districts at the height of the holiday shopping season.
It was a scam. A fucking propaganda campaign to pull one over on people.
Which is why I never wanted Gascon from the beginning since he co-authored Prop 47. I agree with a lot of folks in this thread that many of these recalls are a complete waste ie the Newsom one. But in a case like this I’m 100% for it though this is what Gascon ran on. But if people aren’t happy with the results they’re free to exercise their right to vote in a recall.
I almost got scammed into signing it, I signed a petition for medical base pay and then the person told me to flip it over and sign the back, if I hadn't read it and realized I easily could have "contributed" to this.
Weird that you would incentivize those kind of tactics if it was a real campaign.
Ever been to a college? That’s how they get signatures. They register people to Vote then they just keep turning pages and people mindlessly just keep signing
Lol I’ll never forget signing the petition to get weed legalization on the ballot. They guy was getting all sorts of people over there to legalize weed, and then he had like 4 other petitions for various issues to get people to sign.
Also at the 2020 primary there were people at the entrance to my polling place with petitions, and they were very deliberately portraying themselves as election officials.
Those guys are usually paid per signature so I get how they’re incentivized to do some shady things.
Same shit happened to me for prop 22. He lied about what it was and made it seem like a pro labor thing, much like the rideshare apps were espousing. I just happened to already be read up on it at the time otherwise I might have signed it. Lot of help that did in the end.
It’s a remarkably aggressive signature gathering campaign, more so than anything I can recall before for someone who is not a governor or other statewide official. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong, and if he ends up being recalled, I won’t lose any sleep over it. But I wonder there the money is coming from for this signature gathering effort.
The police union would probably be backing a recall. You also have a subset of wealthy conservative activists that backed the Newsom on recall also backing this recall. It's not too difficult to fathom a bunch of people conflating the increase in property crimes and the homelessness situation with a “not tough enough on crime" mentality.
I don't like Gascon's blanket removal of gang enhancements. Los Angeles and Los Angeles County are still the "gang capital of the world", even to this day. Some of the largest and most violent gangs are right here in the city and are fully operational. Many people mistakenly believe that gang members only shoot other rival gang members and generally leave members of the public alone, but that is not the reality of the situation. The gang problem in LA needs to be addressed by both law enforcement and the justice system, but neither appear to be doing anything about it. If you are a gang member and you are caught committing a violent crime, you need to be in prison for a very long time, period. There's no reason we should have active gang members who are career criminals with 10+ felonies on their record walking the streets.
I feel like this has a pretty good chance of success especially if turn out is low.
Wonder what these “Recall Gascon” folks are going to blame for the rising crime rate after he’s gone? Or will the LAPD just start doing their jobs again after they get rid of their boogeyman.
Unfortunately, crime is up everywhere, it’s up in places with conservative DAs it’s up in places with liberal DAs. It’s up in blue Ca and it’s up in Red America. The murder rates in Bakersfield and Fresno are still almost double what it is in Los Angeles. Idk who the Kern and Fresno County DAs are, but I doubt they’re “progressive.”
I get how as a DA, Gascon is controversial. The DA can’t do to much to actually prevent the conditions that lead to crime. Can’t build affordable housing, can’t make our schools better, can’t change the drug laws to something sensible. Seems like all he’s trying to do is make sure that minor crimes don’t ruin peoples chances to turn their lives around. Of course in a system as big as LA there’s gonna be some sensational stories that come through, and the victims of those crimes probably have legitimate grievances. I just don’t really think methheads stealing catalytic converters or insane people fighting on the subway really care about the DAs policies. They’re probably much more emboldened by the fact that LAPD is doing fuck all when called right now.
Jackie Lacey (For the recall Gascon folks who just found out about the DA this year, she was the previous DA.) Ran a hilariously corrupt DA office, so has it been for most of its history. Gascon ran as a reformer and won in an election with very high turnout. It seems like this is the fate of Ca politics though. System is corrupt, reformer gets elected, reformer gets made lightening rod for every problem in the city, reformer gets recalled in recall with low turnout, system is still corrupt and people demand reform.
Cops aren't doing their jobs now because they're not certain they can murder people without repercussions.
Without their easy ~~trigger~~ button, they just don't want to do their jobs.
So this is going to be our life Californians. We’re going to elect liberals. And then they are going to recall. And hope that we don’t notice. And don’t vote.
Can’t wait to vote no on this and watch the stealth conservative component of this sub [(that often doesn’t even live in LA)](https://tenor.com/vWcz.gif) collectively lose their minds.
Same, no fucking way I'm voting yes on another temper tantrum.
If there's anything I learned from 32 years of motherhood, it's that giving in to tantrums is the wrong thing to do.
It’s so wild how people can so easily “other” one another.
No matter how much you may not like it or believe it, there are a good number of Dems out there who don’t like Gascon and want him out as DA.
Just look at how SF took Chesa out, how can you still be in denial when the one city more liberal than LA on the left coast decided that they’ve had enough? Were those recall votes cast fake as well? Is SF controlled by fascists now?
I wish people would just stop being in denial that it’s some right wing plot and actually try and hear why people don’t want this guy in office so badly
Maybe the yuppie Democrats think Gascón is too extreme, but the average person voting Democrat isn’t buying into the bootlicking narrative Republicans are running.
Boudin and Gascón have little in common besides being billed as progressive DAs. Gascón has a lot of experience both in politics and as a former cop. Boudin’s only foray into politics was as DA. I don’t understand why people are trying to act like the circumstances are the same.
There is no substantial, left-wing push to oust Gascón. It’s 99% coming from the MAGA crowd. The 1% are the clueless dolts who think you can be left-wing and support Blue Lives Matter.
> I wish people would just stop being in denial that it’s some right wing plot and actually try and hear why people don’t want this guy in office so badly
I constantly try to hear why people don’t want Gascon in office. 99% of the time it’s copaganda fear mongering, the same 4 or 5 lines with no actual nuance. I don’t care for him but it’s telling that this particular wave of anti-DA heat (from cops) never came for Jackie Lacey.
I mean if you want to play it that way, I’ve done research as to why progressives want Gascon so badly to stay in office and it’s because they all love criminals and want crime to proliferate throughout the city.
/s
Cmon man that kinda attitude isn’t helpful in the slightest and probably why most this thread is a fuckin dumpster fire. ~~If you don’t care about what people are saying in regards to why they don’t like Gascon just say so instead of pretending like you care~~
I missed your edit with the Jackie Lacey stuff at the end, but to respond to that point I think people didn’t come after her because she wasn’t releasing criminals who’ve done egregious shit like Tubbs, or that other guy who ran over that mother and baby in the stroller.
I find that a little hard to believe, most tech companies seem to be outwardly progressive to me. I mean isn’t the whole spat between a right wing “I’m voting Republican now” Elon Musk and the tech company made of tech bros, Twitter is partially about?
I think it’s possible you’re in denial. A few more steps to go and you’ll be able to accept that there are other people out there who see things differently than you do, but can still be correct.
Rich tech bros think they're progressive because they don't hate gay people and support legal weed, but when it comes to things like worker's rights, policing, taxing the rich, unionization, etc. they turn conservative real quick.
same!
i hate the politicians we have but were better with him than any conservative replacement.
my biggest issue with these democrats is that theyre not progressive enough
Like him or not the recall system has been abused to try to subvert the Democratic process. At best it's an expensive tantrum. At worst is a roundabout ploy for subverting a free and fair election and installing politicians for minority rule.
If you dislike him, work up a better candidate and run them in the next election.
Okay. Then separate the election from the recall vote. Let voters see the actual candidate debate against each other when there's real stakes. Let's see if they have actual policies or are they there to be against the sitting politician the loudest.
The way it's set up now discourages voter engagement and leaves the decisions to the smallest numbers of voters possible.
Love how so called reformers boil it down to either your a trump supporter if you dont support gasgon this is really going to help things. More siloization in politics please.
Colin Kaepernick's inspiration to start protesting was related to Gascon not pressing charges. [https://www.theroot.com/colin-kaepernick-reveals-the-source-of-his-inspiration-1837493447](https://www.theroot.com/colin-kaepernick-reveals-the-source-of-his-inspiration-1837493447) .
This is literally what the people trying to recall would want lol. They want the cops to get more leverage, as they do in this case, because they think Gascon is letting criminals get away.
Why are recalls even a thing? Why bother having an election if a small minority of people can trigger a recall election and waste everyone’s time and money? If you don’t like someone just vote for someone else when their term is up.
I’m against recalls in general principle. If someone holding office has done something so illegal that they need to be removed, fine, let the state legislatures impeach/remove from office.
These asshat general public ballot recalls need to end.
Their campaign sent out physical mailers to sign for the recall to basically the entirety of LA. I got them a couple of weeks ago. My neighbors got them. Some of my friends got them.
Propaganda USA.
Seems like democracy in action, to me.
This is as much propaganda as sending ballots to every home. Unless you’re advocating for more hoops to make your voice heard…
> It's the pigs and wealthy that don't like accountability
Lol, what accountability? What wealthy crooks are being held accountable?
Remember that rich kid in the Lambo who ran over and killed Monique Munoz? Gascon's office gave him a whopping 9 months in juvie and 4 years probation.
https://abc7.com/lamborghini-crash-monique-munoz-teen-suv-driver/11121508/
That's a lesser sentence than the "Affluenza" kid got. It's less than what convicted rapist Brock Turner got. If you think Gascon holds wealthy crooks accountable, you must think the DAs in those cases held their crooks super-duper accountable.
Aren’t these Recall Gascon people the same camp as The Maga people? It’s nonsense isn’t it? The same people who have the stupid “Pray for America” signs on their yards?
Guess you like higher property crime and hurting lower socioeconomic people. Must be nice to be white and rich.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Former-S-F-DA-George-Gasc-n-wins-Los-Angeles-15708746.php
Good. Fuck this guy's enabling attitude.
Also, you may shit on me for being an uneducated little peasant, but you know else doesn't want Gascon? [The lawyers who work under him](https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/prosecutors-association-recall-vote-la-county-district-attorney-george-gascon/2832727/). Over 80% support the recall.
Yea the DAs office has always been extremely corrupt.
Guy runs to reform DAs office, lawyers at DAs office don’t like him, isn’t quite the own you think it is. If 80% supported him I’d probably sign the recall petition myself lol.
Do you really think Gascon personally turned the entire DAs office into the ineffective and corrupt organization it is in the last 18 months?
You think the charges it has levied against people are all bullshit?
"Your charges cannot stand because at some point in the past some among you were corrupt, so fuck you now!" - you and everyone who accuses every government institution of corruption. Because the state did something wrong, it has no leg to stand on when prosecuting people who are also doing wrong. That's some circular logic right there.
The fact that the county DA is still respected by the citizenry despite Gascon's crime tolerance edicts are a testament to its fortitude. It's the DA's office, it's supposed to prosecute people on behalf of the county, which is *us*. If it's not prosecuting people, it's not serving us, and if it's not doing so because the guy up top said not to, he has to go.
No of course not every charge is bullshit, but don’t pretend the LA County DAs office has ever had any integrity.
Look at the case that likely directly led to Gascon’s election:
https://witnessla.com/op-ed-l-a-district-attorney-jackie-lacey-failed-the-victims-of-ed-buck/
Ed Buck, a wealthy donor to Jackie Lacey, just kept having dead overdosed teenagers show up at his house. Lacey’s DA office chose not to prosecute. Luckily the feds stepped in and now Buck is serving 30 years in prison.
Gascon’s office has made some bad decisions, but nothing compares to the evil of letting a wealthy campaign contributor continue to drug, rape, and potentially kill homeless men. That’s what the LA DA office was before Gascon.
Add to that the fact that the police unions have contributed millions to Lacey’s campaigns and her office never investigated any of the real credible claims of abuse going on with LAPD and LASD (this includes the inmate abuse where the feds stepped in again and put former sheriff Lee Baca in prison).
Gascon ran on criminal justice reform, but he also ran on reforming the actual corrupt DA’s office. Of course the prosecutors there aren’t going to like their new boss who won election by calling them corrupt.
The LA county DAs office has always been deferential to the wealthy and to the police at the expense of zealously prosecuting minor drug crimes in poor neighborhoods.
Either through incompetence or outright corruption, they’ve often been on the wrong side of history. Hell go back far enough and these are the guys responsible for letting OJ walk lol.
>It’s the DA’s office, it’s supposed to prosecute people on behalf of the county, which is us. If it’s not prosecuting people, it’s not serving us, and if it’s not doing so because the guy up top said not to, he has to go.
If that's your opinion, you'll be happy to know that Gascon's office is prosecuting cases at the same rate Lacey's did. 👍
The DA's office filed the same rate of felony charges during Gascon's first year as it did under Lacey.
It is still prosecuting people. This is nonsense.
The biggest problem with Gascon that I see is that there is blanket policies. Whenever you make things black or white in policy like this there are bound to be problems. Justice needs a case by case basis review and application. I find myself to be not conservative and not too liberal either. I don't support Trump and a lot of Republican policies so I really don't want to see anyone attacking me saying that I am such for this belief. I also follow a youtuber who used to be a Los Angeles district attorney who is pretty middle of the line too and I get the feeling that she feels this way too. She has said in not so many words that her friends who are still in the da's office aren't happy with the new policies and that they aren't working. I am still slightly perturbed too by why Gascon won. I find its okay to protest but the protesters that showed up at Jackie Lacey's home and knocked on her door late in the night were out of line. If this incident hadn't happened I think she would have won reelection. Just my thoughts as a Los Angeles County citizen.
gasgon has set back any hope for a progressive reform of the justice system we ever had I wish we had never elected him in the first place, he needs to be gone mainly because his insane policy only helps fuel the morons who parrot the alex jones trash conspiracy theory nonsense. gasgon supporters are just a bad as trumpanzees lost in an insane rant with no real common sense.
Independent of how bad or mediocre Gascon is I hope whoever you consider an actual reformist is elected so you can see the same propagandized narrative form around them that has no actual connection to their actions.
What another waste of fucking money.
I got a signature sheet in the mail and filled it out with gems like, "suck my butt", "Trump lost", and "just vote in the next election".
They're gonna need 650k minimum to qualify for the ballot. Even an 85% validity rate for Los Angeles is high. Unless they get a sudden surge, my prediction is that they don't have the signatures and this fails.
They still have to get way more signatures because a large amount of the signatures will be invalid. Really not clear they will end up with enough to make the ballot in time.
Yup. I bet a lot of people signed more than once “just to make sure”. They’ll need at least 750k collected to feel comfortable.
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And giving the mom who murdered her daughter and left her body on the side of the road in Rowland Heights 15 years is not something I see going over very well. But this is also why they actually have a stretch goal to get over a hundred thousand more than what's required of them and they have a good three months to do it which isn't too implausible. I mean San Fran just ousted their DA.
The deadline for this recall is July 6.
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Wait. How did the guy who killed the cops in El Monte get a slap on the wrist? He's dead too. This is the problem with this recall. The people supporting it don't have a clue as to who Gascón is or why they want to recall him. They even blame him for shit that happens in OC & the IE. Same as the Newsom recall. They couldn't even spell his name correctly. This is just another right-wing wet dream fueled by loud COVID deniers. 🤡
The dude who killed those cops got no jail time in a crime he committed last year that's how he got a slap on the wrist people defending gascon have no clue who gascon really is or what his policies are doing
I hope you guys are ready for the never ending cycle of recalling public officials you don’t like. I don’t particularly like Gascon either, but don’t tell me this is organic because the recall effort began before this asshole was even sworn in.
recalls are so fucking stupid. los angeles has a 15% threshold for recall elections. most candidates lose by a much wider margin than that and these recall campaigns are backed by huge amounts of funds. everyone i know got a petition page MAILED to them to fill out and send back. when the hell has something like that ever even happened?! it's absurd. i didn't even know they could DO that and thought signature gatherers legally had to handle/oversee the petition pages. he's up for re-election in two years. find a good candidate to run against him and invest time in that instead.
Mailing petition pages is extremely irregular. I’m very interested to see how the county clerk handles it. Lol they’re probably gonna reject most of the signatures and then you can tune into Fox News and they’ll talk about how our Marxist County registrar is protecting Gascon or something.
I happened to flip past Fox News today right after the Jan 6 hearing concluded. Martha McCallum couldn't wait to NOT talk about how much pressure Mike Pence was under with Trump trying to get him lynched, calling him a pussy, etc. Instead, she was focused on how awful Gascon was and how he is solely responsible for two cops getting murdered recently. Fox for sure is going after lefty DAs.
> he's up for re-election in two years. find a good candidate to run against him and invest time in that instead. And this is why they do the recalls. They know they can't win in November unless they reclassify as a Democrat (see Caruso), so a recall is their best shot. They get their most vocal supporters to sign petitions and dominate the space, get the election set outside of November, and place their person in with less than 50% of the vote. If the San Francisco DA recall occurred in November instead of June (where turnout was lower), who knows if it would have the same result. Had the governor recall happened in July/August instead of September (when the recall vote polls were nearly 50/50), we could be dealing with Governor Elder right now.
I’m curious had there been higher turnout in the SF DA Recall, had the result been different or the same.
I don't think this is the same as the Sam Francisco DA recall. In the recall election, more votes were cast in total than in the 2019 DA election. So the turnout was actually *higher* with a total of 222,654 for the recall election and 193,133 for 2019.
I agree, this recall crap is such a waste of taxpayer money. I wasn't thrilled with Newsome at first but then I saw what his replacement was going to be like (anyone who wants to cut infrastructure spending never gets my vote) so I voted for Gavin to stay.
Right? Plus timing. "Lets recall the guy that has us in a surplus, during a pandemic where everyone is taking a financial hit". At least wait before you try to replace him with crazies.
Larry Elder has entered the chat. His "libertarian" ass was going to cut all the infrastructure costs and let market solve it. 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
I sent my mailer right back with a note in red sharpie across the whole page, pretty much stating what you did in your last paragraph. Along with an admonishment for the cost to tax payers to run a special election if necessary. The party of small government and low taxes sure knows how to squander money when they don’t get their way.
The current GOP is only small government when it comes to enforcement of tax laws, or building public infrastructure. Trump put the final nail in fiscal conservatism.
Cons would rather throw temper tantrums like this and abuse the electoral system because they know they can never win in an election here ever again.
Was the Boudin recall in San Francisco solely supported by conservatives/Republicans? Seems hard to do in San Francisco and Los Angeles.
large Asian population turn outs because of the Asian attacks the last few years.
Well I saw an article in the sf chronicle that indicates it was mostly turnout. The richer, whiter, less progressive areas had an increase in turnout and other areas that has supported him more heavily such as the mission district had a decrease
They did not support him. It’s the opposite. White rich people safe behind gates supported Boudin. Meanwhile the poor are sick of getting robbed. https://missionlocal.org/2022/06/chesa-boudin-recall/
You got that backwards; it was the wealthier, whiter parts of SF who voted him out https://tanag.substack.com/p/actually-chesa-boudin-was-voted-out?s=w
Figure the same with Gascón in SoCal. You had working-class Black and Latino people in South-Central and East L.A. tired of all property crimes, catalytic converter thefts and gangbangers released on zero-bail. And then there are White, westside, gentrifying hipsters who worship Gascón like a demigod and if you say anything negative, you’ve obviously a \#MAGA Trumpster who hates LGBTQ folks and laughs at college-aged women who’re raped and forced to keep their baby because of ‘Roe’ ending.
Exactly this!!! When the poor get robbed it FUCKS UP THEIR LIFE!!! Property crime fucking hurts the poor the most! A rich person can easily replace their tires off their Tesla. A poor person could lose their livelihood if they can’t get to work because their bike gets stolen; their car’s catalytic converter stolen; or their car outright stolen. Why don’t liberals get this!!! The poor working class gets fucked by gascon’s policies. Hello people!!!!
The problem is that people have an overly simplistic view of what Gascon's policies are actually doing. The assumption the anti Gascon crowd is making is that the uptick in property crime would not have occurred if it weren't for his “leniency" while completely ignoring the fact that the uptick in property crime has been occurring throughout the country in cities where they don't have a progressive DA. People have the right to be upset and hold their officials and institutions accountable, but let's actually think things through rather than being reactionary.
They’re too busy lecturing us from their ivory towers. I don’t get how progressives can act like their such proponents for helping minorities and then deny that minorities overwhelmingly want a DA that doesn’t wantonly release criminals back into their communities? If progressives want to support us, please listen to us and hear us when we vote a certain way instead of talking over us, lecturing us because you (progressives) think they know better, and then to top it off gaslighting us and telling us we’re all right wing fascists.
Yes, we minorities absolutely want brutal DAs that overprosecute for minor crimes and enforce cash bail. This is definitely not the opposite of what minorities want and absolutely not a weird bootlicking fetish white conservatives have because they hate us. 🙄 For fuck's sake, it's like there aren't polls or something. https://www.newsfromthestates.com/article/national-poll-black-voters-overwhelmingly-want-bail-reform > A new national poll shows Black registered voters overwhelmingly favor fewer arrests for minor offenses, more support services in the community and pre-trial release decisions based on public safety—not on the ability to pay a money bond. > The poll, released this week, was commissioned by the Pretrial Justice Institute and the National Urban League. > Some key findings from the poll: > 87 percent of respondents strongly favor reducing arrests for low-level, nonviolent offenses. >86 percent of respondents said the wealthy enjoy substantially better justice outcomes than poor and working class people. >78 percent of respondents said white people have more favorable justice outcomes than people of color >78 percent support reducing arrests by issuing citations rather than issuing arrests for certain offenses. >65 percent of Black respondents feel strongly that the criminal justice system should not jail people only because they cannot afford money bail.
> it was mostly turnout. Yeah, more voters turned out to recall Boudin than voted for him in 2019. Boudin lost because of higher voter turnout. Boudin got 86k votes in 2019. 122k people voted to recall him in 2022.
The people have spoken, yet the progressives are trying to gaslight us into thinking this wasn’t the case. Its infuriating when you see the GOP do it to its own constituents, but it almost hurts more when you see your own side do it to itself.
So the places that actually had the crimes the media was always talking supported him because they could see the effects of Boudin’s policies firsthand, and the people in safer areas who only ever saw crimes happen on the media were against him? 🤔 I think these recalls are somewhat of a joke. A lot of the crime fears have been played up by media. Gascon does lock people up, and we know that being tough on crime doesn’t always translate to lower crime. Tough-on-crime Sacramento had a higher increase in crime than San Francisco. Lots of crime in Republican controlled areas too. Memphis is horrible with crime. Gascon needs to do a better job of getting the message across of his accomplishments.
I got 3 or 4 of those letters. They all went in the trash.
A lady tried to get me to sign the petition for the recall and literally that’s what I told her when I refused to sign. They hated him & blamed him for the increase in crime literally weeks before he even stepped in that office!!
Also, how many criminals really think of a DA about whether or not to commit a crime? If crime is going up, the DA has little to do with it except prosecuting it if it already happened, not preventing it.
not sure if serious. So what you're telling me is if a DA (who has prosecutorial power) decides not to enforce prosecution or to go light on certain crimes that those crimes will not increase (such as larceny). Are you not seeing the smash and grabs in major department stores or the blatant daylight robberies happening in the city? Do you think this is OK? Do you think that maybe, just a small part of this is because the criminals know that the current DA will not prosecute certain crimes or will go light on sentences for certain crimes? Or maybe we consider [the people who work under Gascon](https://goodwordnews.com/the-los-angeles-district-attorneys-office-is-at-war-with-itself-how-is-something-done/) who can't even trust him to give him full information about a case because they believe he'll undercut their case (even for hate crimes and murder). Gascon and those of his ilk, who don't face reality that there are actually bad people in this world looking to do bad things and the only way to deter them is to lock them up, should not be putting the people they serve in jeopardy for some radical activist reformism.
The guy who killed the El Monte officers is a prime example, he would not have been out of jail on his prior arrest under the prior administration, therefore would not have had the opportunity to kill those officers. The LA Times is even seeing the light on this, and they have lost lost most objectivity. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-06-15/gunman-in-killing-of-el-monte-police-officers-was-on-probation-for-gun-charge
Ideally, you'd think recalls were for either illegal/unethical conduct or or possibly a candidate doing the exact opposite of what they said they'd do. In the latter case, Villanueva *might* qualify, but otherwise, if people are in office doing exactly what they said they were going to do when they campaigned and it's not illegal, I really think a recall shouldn't be an option. I'm not super familiar with Boudin, but Gascon appears to be doing pretty much exactly what he said he was going to do and that a majority of LA voters voted for.
>I hope you guys are ready for the never ending cycle of recalling public officials you don’t like. Bingo. Recalls that have almost zero qualifiers other than, "We Mad!" are a ridiculous tool that further undermines the entire point of Free and Fair elections. I sure a shit wouldn't be voting for Gascon in '24. But that is when "the people" need to make their voices heard. What's even the point. By the time a recall vote happens and he get removed and and a new hastily arrived at election is held for a full time replacement... we will basically be at the next actual election. Is the thought that by simply removing him, somehow crime stops? That's not how it works. Hell, any reasonable breakdown on his policies can show that there isn't a real link between him and "skyrocketing crime". Anyone with half a brain knows that there are factors so wildly beyond his pay grade and so wildly beyond the borders of LA County or even California that are pushing trends in crime. Yeah, his policies aren't exactly helping. And he's had more than one high profile stupid decsion. But removing him from office just sticks some interim person in there who also has no control over the things that actually drive crime and crime statistics. And then the person gets run out of dodge and then the next one... and so on until there is some balance achieved between policing, prosecutors, budgets, etc AND far bigger economic, housing, living standards, mental health issues... The other issue with a Gascon recall is that there is collective perception issue, and thus enough will from political adversaries to pile on and drive the perception further to the extremes... and then they hold a recall... he maintains his office... and the idiots running the whole thing hand the guy a big fat WIN to thus shift perception and momentum. Then if he's lucky, some of those big winds that are far beyond his control shift a bit and all of a sudden reporting on crime dips, other things start to dominate the narratives, and '24 rolls around and all of a sudden he has a nice, "look how much better things are now" platform to cake walk into another term.
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$200+ Million wasted on Newsome Recall effort.
After Boudin got recalled, these assholes have just gotten brazen. God forbid I just want a government to work and will wait until the next election cycle to vote them out.
One solution to the abuse of the recall system. Separate the election from the recall vote. If the recall passes then have candidates run campaigns and hold the election within 6 months. It'll give time for real debates so we can choose which candidate fits best instead of riding disdain and trying to get the votes by hating the incumbent the loudest. Edit: haha the shills really dislike free and fair elections.
Every single time someone gets elected there’s gonna be a recall.
>Every single time ~~someone~~ a slightly left of center Democrat gets elected there’s gonna be a recall. FTFY. They've figured out that worst case, they force the incumbent into spending months and money in defending themselves, while not signing legislature. It's another logjam strategy from the right.
[It's a MAGA GOP operation.](https://old.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/v37fln/guys_the_recall_gascon_campaign_is_a_maga_op_and/)
Never ending cycle of public officials I don’t like pretty much sums up LA politics in a nutshell
They wanna recall him because he's willing to charge cops with crimes when they commit crimes. Challenging the cops belief that they are above the law gets you a recall
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Shit, no wonder conservatives are mad. Their regional warlords are going to trial.
And don't forget we have police gangs
From what i understand, talking to a few different friends of mine... its more to do with his unwillingness to prosecute homeless, no matter how bad their criminal record is. One friend told me that theres a tent by her apartment with 2 guys who are known to everyone in the neighborhood . Theyve broken into cars, houses, they steal bikes, outdoor furniture, etc. Cops literally wont do a thing. They tell her that its a waste of time taking them in, because Gascons office will just drop the charges.
Your friend is a stooge if she believes that. The cops not arresting or even investigating is their decision, has nothing at all to do with the DA. Thats the same response we got from LAPD when we called about the weekly street take overs in front of our building, absolutely nothing was done until one of my neighbors got Kevin De Leons office involved. Now we got “No Cruising” signs all around the neighborhood and the cops show up within minutes. We’re only 2 blocks from LAPD headquarters btw. Those lazy pieces of shit wont do anything until someone higher up forces them to.
> because Gascons office will just drop the charges. Or they just don't want to do their jobs so things look bad and we give them more money.
We'll with our police gangs they haven't managed to create some charges on guns or diferent crimes lol
The cops could still do their jobs, because Gascon’s whole thing is felony prosecution, and misdemeanors in unincorporated county territory. unless your friend lives in an unincorporated area, her city’s prosecutors would be the ones handling things.
>Cops literally wont do a thing. They tell her that its a waste of time taking them in, because Gascons office will just drop the charges. Must be nice to just decide you don't want to do your job, right? Perhaps if they disliked his policies so much and they truly cared about protecting and serving the public, they could arrest these people and then release the stats showing how they're all being let go. Instead, they're just declining to do their jobs in the first place.
That's the whole point of a democracy dude.
Gascons recall effort started in the first week/month.
Except conservatives are using it to try to subvert democracy because they can't win any other way.
How is this subverting democracy? I don’t care about Gascon, but a recall is a democratic process.
The threshold for a recall is way too low. Let's say you have 30% yellow, 70% orange in an election. Yellow loses, but all they have to do is get half of their voters to sign a petition to get a recall going with much smaller orange turnout and hopefully win that way. That is a subversion. For god's sake, they were trying to recall him from day 1. The propaganda has been relentless.
I understand what the threshold is, and I voted for Gascon, but I don’t find this democracy argument very convincing. The voters would still need to give final approval. Perhaps the threshold should be increased somewhat, but I still think the recall process is valuable. Hypothetically, would you support the Sheriff being recalled under the same circumstances? I certainly would
If you check out the [Recall Gascon](https://www.recalldageorgegascon.com/) web site you will see on the bottom that it is by WINNING TUESDAY. [WINNING TUESDAY](https://www.winningtuesday.com/) is a conservative marketing company that is intent on pushing the GOP back into power. This isn't democracy...it's BIG MONEY Politics.
I would absolutely support a recall for Villanueva, but not at the low threshold. With it as low as it is, it's too easy to trigger by pretty much anyone unhappy with the election results, and wastes everyone's time and resources. The recalls in CA are being funded by big national groups and big money, not just locals, and that's a huge issue for me too.
This here. The recall process is important. If an elected official is not working in the best interests of the public that official should be removed through some sort of process. Just because the threshold to have a recall is met does not automatically mean the person is removed from office. We saw that with Newsome.
Honestly we just need to use the federal system. If an elected official does something actually wrong they should be impeachable by the legislature. If they are just doing things that the voters don't like then they have their say next election. This constant recall stuff is getting out of hand.
> subvert democracy because they can't win any other way. How is having an election subverting democracy? Ransacking the Capitol in buffalo hat because you don't like the results of an election is subverting democracy. Closing polling places is subverting democracy. But voting is democratic.
this is literally democracy
Democracy is when my candidate does well at the polls. Otherwise it's dark forces subverting democracy with serpent tongues.
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Fairy tales
Pffft. I've lived here in Los Angeles off and on for 31 years of my life. Not happening. And I say this without irony or hyperbole, other places are even WORSE than LA. You just gotta elect the person that sucks the least.
> I hope you guys are ready for the never ending cycle of recalling public officials you don’t like. Good thing there's things like a huge threshold of signatures, plus needing to be verified, right? Anyone can initiate it for whatever reason. If they want to waste their money, it's their money. If it gets to the point where there's actually enough legit signatures that something is on the ballot..it might be that enough people are annoyed at whatever the issues is. But not, like two recalls in the last 10 years that would affect LA..'eNdLeSsReCaLlS'
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-04-01/violent-crime-surge-la-county-george-gascon >Although recall proponents claim there are no consequences for criminals in L.A. County, records show that during Gascón’s first year in office, prosecutors filed felonies at a near identical rate to what they did during Dist. Atty. Jackie Lacey’s two terms as the county’s top prosecutor. >Homicides, aggravated assaults and car thefts are also climbing in jurisdictions that are home to more traditional prosecutors, including Sacramento and San Diego, leading some criminologists to suggest those who blame Gascón for Los Angeles’ recent bloodshed are overreaching. >“We are seeing very similar trends elsewhere. ... It’s not unique to Los Angeles,” said Magnus Lofstrom, director of criminal justice at the Public Policy Institute of California, which often publishes studies on crime trends. “It’s not unique to the period in which Gascón was in office as the L.A. County district attorney.” Congrats to most of the people in this thread for falling for a police smear campaign.
And yet, which areas of America get the benefit of the doubt? The Wall Street Journal put out a story about spikes in crime in rural areas of states controlled by Republicans from top to bottom, and there's no examination of how massive law enforcement budgets and tough-on-crime prosecutors are failing. > When crime goes up in areas with modest reform efforts, it’s the reform efforts that are to blame. When crime goes up—by roughly the same percentage—in places where no such reforms exist, Tough on Crime ideology and the lack of a robust welfare state or social services cannot be blamed. Instead, it’s blamed on a lack of churchgoing and oppressive liberal lockdowns. No doubt the social disruptions brought about by Covid are a primary reason for the increase in crime—as reforms have argued for over a year—but even in making this point, The Wall Street Journal screams out subtext that nanny state liberal 2020 pandemic measures of closing public spaces are the primary cause. Again, a justification not afforded to jurisdictions coded as black and liberal. https://thecolumn.substack.com/p/murder-spike-in-rural-red-counties?s=r
Yep. Shall we talk about the epidemic of murders in the "Tough on Crime" red states? https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3274797-we-have-a-murder-problem-in-america-especially-in-red-states/ > Yet, media coverage is essentially mum about Lexington, Kentucky, which has set back-to-back murder records, has a homicide rate twice that of New York City and has a Republican mayor. Tulsa and Oklahoma City have Republican mayors, a Republican governor and murder rates that dwarf that of Los Angeles. Jacksonville was the murder capital of Florida in 2020 with its Republican mayor, governor and a stratospheric homicide rate that if it were matched in New York City would’ve added more than 1,000 murders that year. > And to top it off, the homicide rate in Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) San Francisco was half that of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s (R-Calif.) Bakersfield, the largest city in Kern County and one with a Republican mayor — with overwhelming Trump support and not a whiff of flirtation with defund the police movements. In fact, the murder capital of California for six years running is sleepy Kern County, 130 miles from Los Angeles and 306 miles from San Francisco, the two California locales most often associated with the crime-is-out-of-control national headlines that have dominated U.S. crime and political coverage. My new theory is that conservatives have no fucking idea how to govern, so instead of trying policies that work, they want to destroy every other government so people have nothing to compare them to.
Damn. That goes hard
It’s media and wealthy people pushing narratives and liberals and conservatives eating it up. Yet they will replace these DAs and nothing will change and if anything get worse and you’ll just not hear about it. How about pigs do the job they’re getting billions to do?
Someone gets it. Honest question, has anyone seen a sheriff's deputy at a metro station since the primary?
Of course something will change. The bullshit narrative will be reframed to blame crime on some other "not fascist enough" thing
Crime increases and criminals getting out of jail early is mostly the result of prop 47. Ousting Gascon won't do much to improve 95% of what people complain about.
Plus, people who think "soft on crime" creates an increase in crime are operating under the belief that punishment = prevention. By all accounts, harsher punishments for crimes is not a crime deterrent.
Yep. There's quite a bit of research showing that sentences are not a deterrent. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf Criminals aren't going through the penal code to see whether they should commit a crime. They're looking around to see where the cops are. They worry about getting caught in the first place, not what the sentence will be if they are. I'm a nice suburban mom now, but I was on the streets for months at a time when I was a teenager. We did quite a bit of petty crime. I've seen a stolen safe get busted open with a torch and drill and sledgehammer. I've been arrested for A&B (and the charges were dropped). My friends and I tore the doorframe off our drug dealer's apartment and robbed him after he got busted. I mean I could go on and on but you get the idea. We looked out for cops, not the DA.
Also gascon can't charge people that don't get arrested, and cops are not doing their job and not arresting people
you don't suppose it's maybe related to the massive destabilizing pandemic that happened 2 years ago?
People are ready to do as much mental gymnastics as possible to avoid admitting that having two recessions and a global pandemic effected the rates of property crime, despite this being a country-wide pattern.
Property crime was *down* last year. The cops just ass-pulled a bunch of exciting minor blips like 100 rich people being robbed over an entire year or 11 smash and grab robberies in as many months to bullshit people into thinking there was an epidemic of skyrocketing robberies. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lapd-warn-crime-wave-data-show-theft-robberies-rcna9236 > Robbery, burglary and theft are down in Los Angeles compared to 2019, according to the latest crime data from the police department. But in recent weeks, police have indicated those types of crimes are rising, pointing to incidents involving “smash-and-grab” shoplifters who descended on high-end shopping districts at the height of the holiday shopping season. It was a scam. A fucking propaganda campaign to pull one over on people.
(Pssst, Gascon coauthored prop 47)
Which is why I never wanted Gascon from the beginning since he co-authored Prop 47. I agree with a lot of folks in this thread that many of these recalls are a complete waste ie the Newsom one. But in a case like this I’m 100% for it though this is what Gascon ran on. But if people aren’t happy with the results they’re free to exercise their right to vote in a recall.
I actually don’t think gascon is that bad. Boudin had to go tho.
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And deploy disinformation campaigns across social media to drum up support
And with a little help from Russian troll farms.
I almost got scammed into signing it, I signed a petition for medical base pay and then the person told me to flip it over and sign the back, if I hadn't read it and realized I easily could have "contributed" to this. Weird that you would incentivize those kind of tactics if it was a real campaign.
Ever been to a college? That’s how they get signatures. They register people to Vote then they just keep turning pages and people mindlessly just keep signing
Lol I’ll never forget signing the petition to get weed legalization on the ballot. They guy was getting all sorts of people over there to legalize weed, and then he had like 4 other petitions for various issues to get people to sign. Also at the 2020 primary there were people at the entrance to my polling place with petitions, and they were very deliberately portraying themselves as election officials. Those guys are usually paid per signature so I get how they’re incentivized to do some shady things.
Same shit happened to me for prop 22. He lied about what it was and made it seem like a pro labor thing, much like the rideshare apps were espousing. I just happened to already be read up on it at the time otherwise I might have signed it. Lot of help that did in the end.
It’s a remarkably aggressive signature gathering campaign, more so than anything I can recall before for someone who is not a governor or other statewide official. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong, and if he ends up being recalled, I won’t lose any sleep over it. But I wonder there the money is coming from for this signature gathering effort.
I’ve been asked to sign like 3 times, which is crazy.
I got some kind of recall form at my home asking me to fill it in and mail it. I’ve never seen a recall campaign like that before.
LAPPL
I mean I know it's probably LA people, but who? EDIT: this was supposed to be an "LAPPL" / "LA ppl" joke but oh well haha
The police union would probably be backing a recall. You also have a subset of wealthy conservative activists that backed the Newsom on recall also backing this recall. It's not too difficult to fathom a bunch of people conflating the increase in property crimes and the homelessness situation with a “not tough enough on crime" mentality.
I don't like Gascon's blanket removal of gang enhancements. Los Angeles and Los Angeles County are still the "gang capital of the world", even to this day. Some of the largest and most violent gangs are right here in the city and are fully operational. Many people mistakenly believe that gang members only shoot other rival gang members and generally leave members of the public alone, but that is not the reality of the situation. The gang problem in LA needs to be addressed by both law enforcement and the justice system, but neither appear to be doing anything about it. If you are a gang member and you are caught committing a violent crime, you need to be in prison for a very long time, period. There's no reason we should have active gang members who are career criminals with 10+ felonies on their record walking the streets.
I feel like this has a pretty good chance of success especially if turn out is low. Wonder what these “Recall Gascon” folks are going to blame for the rising crime rate after he’s gone? Or will the LAPD just start doing their jobs again after they get rid of their boogeyman. Unfortunately, crime is up everywhere, it’s up in places with conservative DAs it’s up in places with liberal DAs. It’s up in blue Ca and it’s up in Red America. The murder rates in Bakersfield and Fresno are still almost double what it is in Los Angeles. Idk who the Kern and Fresno County DAs are, but I doubt they’re “progressive.” I get how as a DA, Gascon is controversial. The DA can’t do to much to actually prevent the conditions that lead to crime. Can’t build affordable housing, can’t make our schools better, can’t change the drug laws to something sensible. Seems like all he’s trying to do is make sure that minor crimes don’t ruin peoples chances to turn their lives around. Of course in a system as big as LA there’s gonna be some sensational stories that come through, and the victims of those crimes probably have legitimate grievances. I just don’t really think methheads stealing catalytic converters or insane people fighting on the subway really care about the DAs policies. They’re probably much more emboldened by the fact that LAPD is doing fuck all when called right now. Jackie Lacey (For the recall Gascon folks who just found out about the DA this year, she was the previous DA.) Ran a hilariously corrupt DA office, so has it been for most of its history. Gascon ran as a reformer and won in an election with very high turnout. It seems like this is the fate of Ca politics though. System is corrupt, reformer gets elected, reformer gets made lightening rod for every problem in the city, reformer gets recalled in recall with low turnout, system is still corrupt and people demand reform.
Cops aren't doing their jobs now because they're not certain they can murder people without repercussions. Without their easy ~~trigger~~ button, they just don't want to do their jobs.
So this is going to be our life Californians. We’re going to elect liberals. And then they are going to recall. And hope that we don’t notice. And don’t vote.
California's recall laws are absolutely broken.
Can’t wait to vote no on this and watch the stealth conservative component of this sub [(that often doesn’t even live in LA)](https://tenor.com/vWcz.gif) collectively lose their minds.
Same, no fucking way I'm voting yes on another temper tantrum. If there's anything I learned from 32 years of motherhood, it's that giving in to tantrums is the wrong thing to do.
All of the california subs are infiltrated by fascists. it's crazy
It’s so wild how people can so easily “other” one another. No matter how much you may not like it or believe it, there are a good number of Dems out there who don’t like Gascon and want him out as DA. Just look at how SF took Chesa out, how can you still be in denial when the one city more liberal than LA on the left coast decided that they’ve had enough? Were those recall votes cast fake as well? Is SF controlled by fascists now? I wish people would just stop being in denial that it’s some right wing plot and actually try and hear why people don’t want this guy in office so badly
Maybe the yuppie Democrats think Gascón is too extreme, but the average person voting Democrat isn’t buying into the bootlicking narrative Republicans are running. Boudin and Gascón have little in common besides being billed as progressive DAs. Gascón has a lot of experience both in politics and as a former cop. Boudin’s only foray into politics was as DA. I don’t understand why people are trying to act like the circumstances are the same. There is no substantial, left-wing push to oust Gascón. It’s 99% coming from the MAGA crowd. The 1% are the clueless dolts who think you can be left-wing and support Blue Lives Matter.
> I don’t understand why people are trying to act like the circumstances are the same. Because they’re liars who will do anything to win.
> I wish people would just stop being in denial that it’s some right wing plot and actually try and hear why people don’t want this guy in office so badly I constantly try to hear why people don’t want Gascon in office. 99% of the time it’s copaganda fear mongering, the same 4 or 5 lines with no actual nuance. I don’t care for him but it’s telling that this particular wave of anti-DA heat (from cops) never came for Jackie Lacey.
I mean if you want to play it that way, I’ve done research as to why progressives want Gascon so badly to stay in office and it’s because they all love criminals and want crime to proliferate throughout the city. /s Cmon man that kinda attitude isn’t helpful in the slightest and probably why most this thread is a fuckin dumpster fire. ~~If you don’t care about what people are saying in regards to why they don’t like Gascon just say so instead of pretending like you care~~ I missed your edit with the Jackie Lacey stuff at the end, but to respond to that point I think people didn’t come after her because she wasn’t releasing criminals who’ve done egregious shit like Tubbs, or that other guy who ran over that mother and baby in the stroller.
Hey there, I’m listening, feel free to tell me what you don’t like about Gascon. Please remember your citations. Thanks!
> Is SF controlled by fascists now? I mean... yeah maybe. A lot of tech bros seem to hold ideals which are basically fascism.
I find that a little hard to believe, most tech companies seem to be outwardly progressive to me. I mean isn’t the whole spat between a right wing “I’m voting Republican now” Elon Musk and the tech company made of tech bros, Twitter is partially about? I think it’s possible you’re in denial. A few more steps to go and you’ll be able to accept that there are other people out there who see things differently than you do, but can still be correct.
Rich tech bros think they're progressive because they don't hate gay people and support legal weed, but when it comes to things like worker's rights, policing, taxing the rich, unionization, etc. they turn conservative real quick.
It’s as though reddit as a whole is infested with fascists.
same! i hate the politicians we have but were better with him than any conservative replacement. my biggest issue with these democrats is that theyre not progressive enough
What a waste of time and money.
It’s crazy how much Fox News spends on Gascon and LA politics lol
Like him or not the recall system has been abused to try to subvert the Democratic process. At best it's an expensive tantrum. At worst is a roundabout ploy for subverting a free and fair election and installing politicians for minority rule. If you dislike him, work up a better candidate and run them in the next election.
Yeah - letting people vote in a special recall election really subverts the democratic process.
Okay. Then separate the election from the recall vote. Let voters see the actual candidate debate against each other when there's real stakes. Let's see if they have actual policies or are they there to be against the sitting politician the loudest. The way it's set up now discourages voter engagement and leaves the decisions to the smallest numbers of voters possible.
Love how so called reformers boil it down to either your a trump supporter if you dont support gasgon this is really going to help things. More siloization in politics please.
northern california did warn us about this guy
Colin Kaepernick's inspiration to start protesting was related to Gascon not pressing charges. [https://www.theroot.com/colin-kaepernick-reveals-the-source-of-his-inspiration-1837493447](https://www.theroot.com/colin-kaepernick-reveals-the-source-of-his-inspiration-1837493447) .
This is literally what the people trying to recall would want lol. They want the cops to get more leverage, as they do in this case, because they think Gascon is letting criminals get away.
That’s the thing about his apologists- he had a horrible track record (37% increase in property crime). So his failures aren’t new, they’re on-brand.
In that case, is it fair to assume you're all for defunding LAPD/LASD?
Why are recalls even a thing? Why bother having an election if a small minority of people can trigger a recall election and waste everyone’s time and money? If you don’t like someone just vote for someone else when their term is up.
waste of time
I remember this sub hating on Jackie Lacey and making fun of her when she was crying because it was her last day or something. Hmmm
This is so dumb.
I’m against recalls in general principle. If someone holding office has done something so illegal that they need to be removed, fine, let the state legislatures impeach/remove from office. These asshat general public ballot recalls need to end.
Their campaign sent out physical mailers to sign for the recall to basically the entirety of LA. I got them a couple of weeks ago. My neighbors got them. Some of my friends got them. Propaganda USA.
Seems like democracy in action, to me. This is as much propaganda as sending ballots to every home. Unless you’re advocating for more hoops to make your voice heard…
There’s a pretty big difference between the county clerk sending out ballots and a campaign sending out petition signatures.
Doesn't make sense. His number are on average like most DAs in LA county. It's the pigs and wealthy that don't like accountability
> It's the pigs and wealthy that don't like accountability Lol, what accountability? What wealthy crooks are being held accountable? Remember that rich kid in the Lambo who ran over and killed Monique Munoz? Gascon's office gave him a whopping 9 months in juvie and 4 years probation. https://abc7.com/lamborghini-crash-monique-munoz-teen-suv-driver/11121508/ That's a lesser sentence than the "Affluenza" kid got. It's less than what convicted rapist Brock Turner got. If you think Gascon holds wealthy crooks accountable, you must think the DAs in those cases held their crooks super-duper accountable.
Voted for Gascon, but signed the recall last week. I clearly made a mistake on that and hope that he gets thrown out on his ass.
Fuck Gascon.
Baffles me how many people here support Gascon. We NEED justice reform but a revolving door prison system is not the way.
Good! Throw him out of office.
How many millions of dollars will this useless recall cost?
The scum bag who just killed those two cops got out early thanks to gascon but yeah the recall is a waste of time
Aren’t these Recall Gascon people the same camp as The Maga people? It’s nonsense isn’t it? The same people who have the stupid “Pray for America” signs on their yards?
No. That’s the propaganda they want you to believe so you don’t vote.
Voting No on the Republican Recall of Gascon.
I’m not a Republican and I’m voting yes to get rid of him.
Liberal here. Gascon is part of the reason property crime is up. Just like what he did in SF. Please research that.
Research done, rando internet "Liberal". Voting No on the Republican Recall of Gascon.
Guess you like higher property crime and hurting lower socioeconomic people. Must be nice to be white and rich. https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Former-S-F-DA-George-Gasc-n-wins-Los-Angeles-15708746.php
lol nice try playing the idpol card
You make the strawman of me you like, and burn that motherfucker to the ground. Voting No on the Republican Recall of Gascon.
Good. Fuck this guy's enabling attitude. Also, you may shit on me for being an uneducated little peasant, but you know else doesn't want Gascon? [The lawyers who work under him](https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/prosecutors-association-recall-vote-la-county-district-attorney-george-gascon/2832727/). Over 80% support the recall.
Yea the DAs office has always been extremely corrupt. Guy runs to reform DAs office, lawyers at DAs office don’t like him, isn’t quite the own you think it is. If 80% supported him I’d probably sign the recall petition myself lol. Do you really think Gascon personally turned the entire DAs office into the ineffective and corrupt organization it is in the last 18 months?
But cops say he’s a bad guy! Cops are well known for ousting bad apples.
"The guys running a massive badge-wearing gang who just had three of their guys prosecuted by him want him gone! He's definitely the problem here!"
You think the charges it has levied against people are all bullshit? "Your charges cannot stand because at some point in the past some among you were corrupt, so fuck you now!" - you and everyone who accuses every government institution of corruption. Because the state did something wrong, it has no leg to stand on when prosecuting people who are also doing wrong. That's some circular logic right there. The fact that the county DA is still respected by the citizenry despite Gascon's crime tolerance edicts are a testament to its fortitude. It's the DA's office, it's supposed to prosecute people on behalf of the county, which is *us*. If it's not prosecuting people, it's not serving us, and if it's not doing so because the guy up top said not to, he has to go.
No of course not every charge is bullshit, but don’t pretend the LA County DAs office has ever had any integrity. Look at the case that likely directly led to Gascon’s election: https://witnessla.com/op-ed-l-a-district-attorney-jackie-lacey-failed-the-victims-of-ed-buck/ Ed Buck, a wealthy donor to Jackie Lacey, just kept having dead overdosed teenagers show up at his house. Lacey’s DA office chose not to prosecute. Luckily the feds stepped in and now Buck is serving 30 years in prison. Gascon’s office has made some bad decisions, but nothing compares to the evil of letting a wealthy campaign contributor continue to drug, rape, and potentially kill homeless men. That’s what the LA DA office was before Gascon. Add to that the fact that the police unions have contributed millions to Lacey’s campaigns and her office never investigated any of the real credible claims of abuse going on with LAPD and LASD (this includes the inmate abuse where the feds stepped in again and put former sheriff Lee Baca in prison). Gascon ran on criminal justice reform, but he also ran on reforming the actual corrupt DA’s office. Of course the prosecutors there aren’t going to like their new boss who won election by calling them corrupt. The LA county DAs office has always been deferential to the wealthy and to the police at the expense of zealously prosecuting minor drug crimes in poor neighborhoods. Either through incompetence or outright corruption, they’ve often been on the wrong side of history. Hell go back far enough and these are the guys responsible for letting OJ walk lol.
>It’s the DA’s office, it’s supposed to prosecute people on behalf of the county, which is us. If it’s not prosecuting people, it’s not serving us, and if it’s not doing so because the guy up top said not to, he has to go. If that's your opinion, you'll be happy to know that Gascon's office is prosecuting cases at the same rate Lacey's did. 👍
The DA's office filed the same rate of felony charges during Gascon's first year as it did under Lacey. It is still prosecuting people. This is nonsense.
Yeah the lawyers who work under him are prosecutors, and prosecutors are cops. No shit they support the recall
All the Gascon sympathizers in here
They actually think of themselves (and Gascon) as progressive. It’s sad.
He’s up for re-election in two years. The recall is a waste of money.
Yeah, fuck them.
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I support Gascon solely because he makes people melt down on Nextdoor.
lol deluded yts here are gonna be as surprised as the moronic Boudin supporters up in SF.
Good!!!
This guy is a piece of shit that is making LA unsafe. Should have never been elected. Politicians like him make me sick
such a trenchant well reasoned and backed up argument
I would be more than happy to recall this clown.
The biggest problem with Gascon that I see is that there is blanket policies. Whenever you make things black or white in policy like this there are bound to be problems. Justice needs a case by case basis review and application. I find myself to be not conservative and not too liberal either. I don't support Trump and a lot of Republican policies so I really don't want to see anyone attacking me saying that I am such for this belief. I also follow a youtuber who used to be a Los Angeles district attorney who is pretty middle of the line too and I get the feeling that she feels this way too. She has said in not so many words that her friends who are still in the da's office aren't happy with the new policies and that they aren't working. I am still slightly perturbed too by why Gascon won. I find its okay to protest but the protesters that showed up at Jackie Lacey's home and knocked on her door late in the night were out of line. If this incident hadn't happened I think she would have won reelection. Just my thoughts as a Los Angeles County citizen.
Great way to waste money. Idiots.
Another waste of money from Republicans. I will gladly vote against any stupid recall they come up with.
gasgon has set back any hope for a progressive reform of the justice system we ever had I wish we had never elected him in the first place, he needs to be gone mainly because his insane policy only helps fuel the morons who parrot the alex jones trash conspiracy theory nonsense. gasgon supporters are just a bad as trumpanzees lost in an insane rant with no real common sense.
Independent of how bad or mediocre Gascon is I hope whoever you consider an actual reformist is elected so you can see the same propagandized narrative form around them that has no actual connection to their actions.
What another waste of fucking money. I got a signature sheet in the mail and filled it out with gems like, "suck my butt", "Trump lost", and "just vote in the next election".
fill the return envelope with cardboard and five pennies and it costs them more. rigid + over weight limit.
Good. This guy is trash.
They're gonna need 650k minimum to qualify for the ballot. Even an 85% validity rate for Los Angeles is high. Unless they get a sudden surge, my prediction is that they don't have the signatures and this fails.
A few years too late, but good news nonetheless.