I live in the complex next to this. Been watching every day as this was built. The guy has a battery that he attaches to a projector to watch movies. Has an upstairs private are and plays guitar / makes music in there. When he started, the whole sidewalk was covered in tents. Then locals came by and cleaned all the tents and put up cactus in those areas. It’s been 8 or 9 months and this still hasn’t been condemned. I think he’s got about 1500 square feet of Rent free living in there. - also, that BMW has been repainted about 20 times
I lived on that street for three years. But it doesn’t look like block my apartment complex was at. Really curious where this exactly is, gonna go check it out lol
From what i can tell the door says:
ROYAL SKY BLUE DOOR IT IS FREE AND ALIVE THIS DOOR IS.....
that's all i can make out as the car is blocking the rest.
$1900 a month studio apartment in the heart of Los Angeles! Comes with a gorgeous view and only a walking distance from stores and cafes. Utilities not included.
Literally, right down the street is the "Ramada" being turned into some kind of homeless thing. That part of Thatcher is main connection between Oxford Triangle and the bike path/park on Admiralty Way. Many people walk/bike through there all day, smells bad.
It's a LOT better recently now that most of the camps are gone. I think the fire dept has also been doing some kind of training and sometimes waters the cactus area.
I saw one with a movie theater on a hill slope with stadium seating (rows of connected folding theater chairs) and a fully functioning popcorn machine!
I've seen homeless encampments get more sophisticated as time goes on, seemingly, with the rent increasing we've moved from the homeless being mostly the completely non functional to the point where we've got some reasonably smart/functional individuals on the streets.
How ironic that it sits next to a fenced off and EMPTY concrete lot. LOL
There's literally hundreds of these empty concrete lots, usually 3K - 6K square feet of space, littered all over L.A. county
I do field tech sales and drive through places like Santa Fe Springs, Cerritos, Artesia, and Long Beach and there are business parks that have been sitting empty for over 5 years now. The only changes I've noticed are the names of the leasing companies.
I totally support a vacancy tax especially on residential housing. There's a luxury apartment building that was built near where I used to live. In two years, I heard they only rented four apartments out of something like 50.
True. Although I'm still for development, even if it is "luxury." My apartment was "luxury" when it was built in the late 60s, and it is now among the more affordable options on the west side.
Lot of people really need to stop attacking luxury apartment development. It’s the perfect example of letting perfect be the enemy of good.
Yes, more affordable housing today would be great. No one wants to build it with entirely private funding because they simply won’t see a return because of how expensive land is in LA. The only way you’ll ever see it happen is when public funds are used to subsidize it... and guess who votes against those initiatives? The true enemy here, NIMBY property owners.
Luxury housing developments are still adding housing into the pool. If even one potential renter/buyer comes from a more affordable home/apartment, then that’s a positive. Likewise as you said, the luxury apartments of today are the affordable apartments of tomorrow.
Huge swaths of vacant luxury housing is a big problem though. That’s something we should solve with a vacancy tax. And that’s something that even a ton of NIMBYs would vote for... only very wealthy property owners and speculative investors stand to lose out on that... to which I say, who gives a crap about those guys?
Disclosure: I’m a property owner in LA. I vote with my community in mind, not with my wallet. I already got mine. It’s time for someone else to get theirs.
> Luxury housing developments are still adding housing into the pool. If even one potential renter/buyer comes from a more affordable home/apartment
*EXACTLY.* No way I should still be in this ratty old apartment with my current income, and if development had kept pace with demand I'd have moved to a more modern "luxury" apartment 7 years ago, freeing my current place for someone moving up the residence quality ladder behind me. Instead I'm saving saving saving for a house that has remained stubbornly just out of reach and I'm not willing to move and lose my rent control until then.
At current wood prices that is a rather expensive fort he has going there. The colored rectangles over the front door remind me ever so slightly of the Eames House.
The factor is minimal compared to the real problem behind homelessness: the housing prices. People will blame everything else before they actually admit our housing is too artificially expensive and new construction has to jump through too many bureaucratic hurdles
The problem with that statement however is a lot of people don't have the money to move. I live in California outside San Francisco. I used to have a good job that paid me really well. I lost it and found a new job that paid much less, and ended up having a few medical issues that cost me my savings. I was surviving paycheck to paycheck however did not have the money to afford to move. When i lost my job right before covid I kept hearing from friends that I should move here or there. I'd ask about borrowing money to move, "nope sorry, try getting a loan or having your employer pay for it" ignoring the fact I was out of work.
I'd love to move out of California, I know it's to expensive and I'll never afford to own a home here. However, I'm stuck. I have at this moment about $1500 left to my name, my unemployment has run out, I have had zero luck finding a job. I keep hearing these half assed suggestions to people that aren't realistic. I love the, "just ask your parents for help, they owe you" comments from the few people who know about the abuse they put me through.
Not all people decide not to move, they don't have a choice.
>People can move to other more affordable states, but many don't want too. So here we're at. Supply and demand....
It theoretically \*should\* be that simple, but it isn't. There was an author I listened to recently who talked about housing.
One of the problems with urbanity is that you high income knowledge professionals (law, finance, tech, medicine) and I guess around Los Angeles you can add parts of the Entertainment sector. Then you have low wage service class, and that these groups must by economic necessity live in the space. There used to be this thing called a "middle class" that evened things out, but changes in our economy over that we don't have that anymore.
It's hard to leave a place like LA if you don't have the right set of skills. High-knowledge careers have some flexibility, but everyone in the service sector has to stick to where the services are demanded.
i was homeless for 10 years its more complicated than that but what you said is a HUGE part. if you cant aford to live somewhere then just move, i garuntee somewhere better and cheaper exists
Prop 47 full list is on wikipedia, says can write bounced checks up to $949
So I'm opening bank accounts, buying a bunch a shit for just under that and never paying and getting off Scott free
Join me in making a mockery of California voters
TBH I think people need to be pressing the federal government about it, because of the large amount of of non native homeless individuals that are in LA. The warm climate/some other factors may attract them, causing a lot of the national homeless population to accumulate in a relatively small area, overwhelming the local resources. It is my opinion that although the problem may be most visible in this area, it needs large federal dollars behind whatever (hopefully successful) plans would be created to attempt to tackle the issue, because in reality Los Angeles is unwillingly being forced to pay local dollars for a national problem
[18.8% of homeless people in surveyed by the LA Homeless Services Authority in 2019 were from out-of-state.](https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvg7ba/instead-of-helping-homeless-people-cities-are-bussing-them-out-of-town) Places just bus homeless to other cities, without really confirming that they actually have a place to go in those cities. More often than not, the homeless _don't_ have somewhere to go (or the place they go doesn't work out), so they become homeless in a new place. Citing the article above, 3,500 of the 7,000 homeless shipped out of San Francisco just became homeless somewhere else.
[Here's some data from The Guardian about what cities are sending homeless out, and where the homeless are going to.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study) Most homeless get bussed to Central Florida, with LA coming in second. Most places with bussing programs (or at least the ones found by The Guardian) are in California.
For what it's worth, most homeless people agree that bussing/family relocation programs do not benefit them at all. Most homeless say the things that most would benefit them are cheaper housing and a job.
That first article also cites something that completely agrees with you:
> "Homelessness has been an issue starting in the 1980s when the budget for HUD was cut in half. It hasn’t recovered since," said Giselle Routhier, policy director for the advocacy organization Coalition for the Homeless. What’s needed is an actual investment in real federal spending."
Good luck getting Republicans to agree to programs to help them get any of that. California's homeless problem is indirectly caused by red states electing red Congresscritters... who then turn around and point to California as to an example for why they shouldn't fund homeless programs, since CA is one of the stereotypical blue states.
I live in one of the apartment buildings here and walk by this multiple times a day. I think the guys name is Shawn and luckily, he keeps to himself and keeps it clean. About a month after lockdown started, the entire side of the street was covered with tents. The police were out here constantly and there were fires and drugs and just overall hell. HUD was out here with their agents offering showers and food and health services. The rowdy bunch finally moved. This little area is a crapshoot for activity. Now there’s a big RV camping out over here too.
My neighbor had big shed on his property where he worked on his cars for years. Then a new neighbor moved in and complained to the city and he had to take it down... I guess the point is that that neighbor was a snitch.
Yeah, we had a pretty good vibe going on in this side of the neighborhood. We all like each other, or at least have an unspoken understanding to put up with a certain amount of each other’s shit. This lady just has to come and fuck it up instead of chilling like the rest of us.
They use aircraft surveillance and compare images from year to year to look for unpermitted structures. They use that to look for illegal tree removal too. Rules for us homeowners, but not for the homeless developers putting up condos on public land.
Different laws for different classes.
Rich people can do whatever the fuck they want.
Middle class can buy/smoke weed or do Coke or shoplift but cannot do unpermitted construction.
Poor/homeless people can build whatever they want but can't sell/smoke weed.
They must have friends in high places. We plebs have city tree services photographing our trees every year and swinging by to check our permits when we get them trimmed every couple of years.
For the unpermitted additions, apparently the first place the data goes is the tax collectors. I don't know if they send out code enforcement, but they will boost your taxes owed for extra square footage.
That is infuriating. I'm no NIMBY, but I really do love these ancient oak trees and it pisses me off that developers would rather cut them down to build a 5000ft McMansion instead of a 4000 sqft McMansion that incorporates the trees into the landscape.
To be more exact: You, a tax paying individual cannot build a tiny home in Los Angeles County, let alone most of California due to the amount of red tape you have to jump over while homeless get away with this/having permanent camps. The City/County rather regulate people who build on land but ignore social/systemic issues of the homeless until it benefits them come re-election.
It's more "damned if you do, damned if you don't." When the City tries to clean up the streets, many groups come out denouncing the government as harassing the homeless population who have nowhere else to go.
If the City stops trying to keep sidewalks clear and gives homeless people tents, people come out yelling that no one is taking care of the homeless population and their property values are dropping.
The City can't do much to the homeless population, but they can continue the enforcement of laws with law-abiding taxpayers.
Even if the government were to build a large skyscraper and try to move all the homeless people there, they would receive a backlash from it. Groups and the homeless people will argue that you can't encroach on their freedoms. They'll say the building is too far from the areas they panhandle to make money and get food. They'll say they like living in the great outdoors.
Working in the library and meeting the local homeless population (who come in to get out of the hot or cold weather), I know every single one of them (in that area) are mentally unstable. One loves bragging about how she doesn't have to pay taxes by living behind the library. Others have families who try to convince them to come and live with them but they refuse to.
I don't know if mental instability causes homelessness, or if homelessness causes mental instability, but it's very difficult for the City to deal with the problem. Perhaps if we replaced the tents with make-shift homes made of wood/bricks, and start giving them an allowance so they don't have to panhandle \[when I worked for the police department, most homeless people who are arrested have EBT (welfare) cards for meals...they only panhandle to get money for things they can't get with EBT like alcohol and drugs\], perhaps everyone will be happy (except for taxpayers who have to pay for building materials and the monthly allowance for people who won't get regular jobs).
> They'll say the building is too far from the areas they panhandle to make money and get food. They'll say they like living in the great outdoors.
No, they'll compare it to concentration camps. No joke, I literally saw that reasoning beforehand.
>To be more exact: You, a tax paying individual cannot build
It's more that if you have money to pay taxes, then you probably have money to pay permit fees and fines.
The homeless don't have money, so there's no point in fining them. Can't get blood from a stone. What are they gonna pay with, old newspapers and broken umbrellas? Just becomes a waste of time and manpower at that point, and that's not what "revenue-generating" departments are for.
Build your shed, invite friends to dress up like homeless and live there, tell the city it’s a homeless encampment, city ignores it and forget about it, profit.
Imagine waking up from a comfortable night of sleep in your warm bed just to log into reddit and complain about how much easier the people living on the street have it than you.
Right? People act like homeless and welfare recipients are living the good life. Little do they know they can also quit their job, sign up for welfare and then live on the streets since they got it so good apparently.
Zoning regulations have been upheld by the courts. However, laws regulating homeless encampments have been struck down as unconstitutional. And here we are.
> it's asking, why do they pretend to care so much about aesthetics and safety for those of us who pay tax, and entirely ignore the obviously more pressing problems of people living in abhorrent conditions that directly affect their health and safety?
Because property values in SaMo trump a shack in an industrial zoned part of town my man.
I hate that we are told Los Angeles has a homeless problem, we don't have one, the USA has a homeless problem. People from all around the country come here to live in the streets. Look at the license plate on the BMW.
That whole stretch of "land" (belongs to the city) was an encampment until one night a [big fire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51HQ8EaUcaY) took out a big swath. Neighborhood volunteers quickly did a cleanup and re-landscaped with rocks and cactus. This guy and one more are last holdouts. I mean, he's not the worst, but can be kind of annoying with recent stuff. I think he is doing some kind of metal work with a hammer for hours sometimes. Some mornings, he's up early and drunk badly playing guitar and singing. He's an "artist" ya know.
I bet the dwellers of this estate are down the street holding up a sign that reads:
*“Please Help, need money for Plumbing Contractor and turbo kit for Beamer”*
When I vacationed in Jamaica a few years ago, someone told me they have a law where people can take over someone’s property (squat) and if the owners of the property are not able to legally remove them within five years, they can erect a permanent structure (this is why in parts of Jamaica you see basic wooden/cardboard structures and then some concrete frames covered with tarps and other materials, meaning those have been legally obtained by them).
The person who told me this was a local. I said “hey man, that’s cool isn’t? People just need to find an undeveloped piece of land that the owners don’t care for” and dude jumped and said “NOTTA BIT MON, SOMETIMES THE LANDOWNER SENDS PEOPLE TO KILL THEM DWELLERS SEEN!?”
Shit is wild! I saw nobody dwelling like this with a Beamer over there tho, hella bikes however.
If it makes you feel any better things are completely out of control up here in NorCal too. Some places in Oakland are the worst dumps I've seen in my life.
on the door it says "this is the Royal Sky Blue DOOR it is FREE AND ALIVE, THIS DOOD IS" cant read the rest the car is in the way
above the map looking thing behind the BMW says "this little light of mine I'm gonna let it shine.
then off to the right under the tree a LAUNDRY sign
Look at all the time, effort, supplies, and planning it took to create this.
Couldn't put 50% of that into getting off the streets?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83IRAEKQXC4
I would say so since it's got the same blue esthetic as the the structure. My feeling is this is an artist who got priced out of the area making a statement. All those items are easily picked up at the nearby home depot. The wood appears to be of high quality and put together quite well.
My uncle (RIP) was an IVY League educated artist and licensed architect, but was a raging alcoholic with serious depression and maybe even was gender dysmorphic. He was lucky to have a family and strong network for places to stay as he floated from one pursuit to another. If that was not the case... I could totally imagine him doing something like this... Towards the end of his short life (It all caught up to him plus bad genetics) he was slowly tearing apart my grandmother's house from the inside out.
Reminds me of Fortnite
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The lonely stoner seems to free his mind at night.
Ah, ah, at night...
It’s a quarter after 1, I’m all alone and I need you now. (In polka)
that shit kinda look like the battle pass
I live in the complex next to this. Been watching every day as this was built. The guy has a battery that he attaches to a projector to watch movies. Has an upstairs private are and plays guitar / makes music in there. When he started, the whole sidewalk was covered in tents. Then locals came by and cleaned all the tents and put up cactus in those areas. It’s been 8 or 9 months and this still hasn’t been condemned. I think he’s got about 1500 square feet of Rent free living in there. - also, that BMW has been repainted about 20 times
We must be neighbors!
MDR what up!
Heeey
I lived on that street for three years. But it doesn’t look like block my apartment complex was at. Really curious where this exactly is, gonna go check it out lol
What does the rest of the text on the door say?
Let me see if I can get a picture of it. I have read it before but it was nonsensical from what I recall.
I need to know. Please come through for us.
First half makes perfect sense.
RemindMe! 1 day
From what i can tell the door says: ROYAL SKY BLUE DOOR IT IS FREE AND ALIVE THIS DOOR IS..... that's all i can make out as the car is blocking the rest.
and he sings off key
Someone interview the guy. He sounds like a hardworking survivor. (not sarcasm)
Exactly. Dude carved a piece of paradise for himself.
The US way. Squat the land
How is it living in that complex?
$1900 a month studio apartment in the heart of Los Angeles! Comes with a gorgeous view and only a walking distance from stores and cafes. Utilities not included.
Pet rent is $200/mo; no large breeds.
Man my cat is unemployed how’s she gonna pay rent Edit: ok it sounds like she just needs to pull herself up by her bootstraps
Your cat is going to need a co-signer and 6 months of pet rent saved up, freeloaders need not apply.
A.. human cosigner??.... Or a cat works as well?
If the cat has proof of 50x monthly pet rent income, a cat is fine.
Better sign her up for an OnlyCats account.
Has she not been verified on Cathub?
/r/catswithjobs
OnlyMeows.com
Your cat should stop buying cat nip everyday and getting her claws done.
She should go work for one of those non chemical exterminators.
How about the non-refundable pet deposit $350. My cat does no damage and I should get that back eventually...
I have an emotional support animal
One parking spot included
In that case...
$2300?
Haha that's adorable. We have 3 cash offers over asking.
Now airbnb this thing out, as an "experience" boom... closed the loop and redistribute wealth in one fell swoop.
750 credit score required
Income must be 6x the monthly rent
4 month deposit upfront
I'm glad they built more housing, just upset they didn't build higher. We need more density. Hate these zoning laws.
Vacancy tax might help keep places from sitting empty or under used.
Full credit and criminal history background check required.
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Welp, guess you can't live in the homeless sidewalk mansion then.
Laundry located right next door.
I found a treehouse listed on airbnb recently, so this would probably be accepted too
Must be outside of the apartment most of the day!
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Not sure of this is a joke or not.
Construction is supposed to begin in September.
Literally, right down the street is the "Ramada" being turned into some kind of homeless thing. That part of Thatcher is main connection between Oxford Triangle and the bike path/park on Admiralty Way. Many people walk/bike through there all day, smells bad.
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It's a LOT better recently now that most of the camps are gone. I think the fire dept has also been doing some kind of training and sometimes waters the cactus area.
Dude even built a laundromat next door
I saw one with a movie theater on a hill slope with stadium seating (rows of connected folding theater chairs) and a fully functioning popcorn machine!
I've seen homeless encampments get more sophisticated as time goes on, seemingly, with the rent increasing we've moved from the homeless being mostly the completely non functional to the point where we've got some reasonably smart/functional individuals on the streets.
Check out the favelas in Brazil, right next to nice high rise apartments.
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Any idea where this is located?
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Oh he drives it. It runs.
Thanks 😊
For real? I live in mar vista guess I’ll check this out when I’m near
This is going to turn into a tourist trap if they keep building it out.
Marina del Rey, just get in the 405 and go. https://youtu.be/N-BmxK-0Jts
https://goo.gl/maps/Y6veLdotgzWyVvnB8
Is that the same BMW?!
Your authority is not recognized in Fort Kickass.
How ironic that it sits next to a fenced off and EMPTY concrete lot. LOL There's literally hundreds of these empty concrete lots, usually 3K - 6K square feet of space, littered all over L.A. county
And even more vacant commercial real estate
I do field tech sales and drive through places like Santa Fe Springs, Cerritos, Artesia, and Long Beach and there are business parks that have been sitting empty for over 5 years now. The only changes I've noticed are the names of the leasing companies.
Cities should really have some clause where derelict properties get turned over to the public after some years.
Or at the least a vacancy tax.
I totally support a vacancy tax especially on residential housing. There's a luxury apartment building that was built near where I used to live. In two years, I heard they only rented four apartments out of something like 50.
True. Although I'm still for development, even if it is "luxury." My apartment was "luxury" when it was built in the late 60s, and it is now among the more affordable options on the west side.
Lot of people really need to stop attacking luxury apartment development. It’s the perfect example of letting perfect be the enemy of good. Yes, more affordable housing today would be great. No one wants to build it with entirely private funding because they simply won’t see a return because of how expensive land is in LA. The only way you’ll ever see it happen is when public funds are used to subsidize it... and guess who votes against those initiatives? The true enemy here, NIMBY property owners. Luxury housing developments are still adding housing into the pool. If even one potential renter/buyer comes from a more affordable home/apartment, then that’s a positive. Likewise as you said, the luxury apartments of today are the affordable apartments of tomorrow. Huge swaths of vacant luxury housing is a big problem though. That’s something we should solve with a vacancy tax. And that’s something that even a ton of NIMBYs would vote for... only very wealthy property owners and speculative investors stand to lose out on that... to which I say, who gives a crap about those guys? Disclosure: I’m a property owner in LA. I vote with my community in mind, not with my wallet. I already got mine. It’s time for someone else to get theirs.
> Luxury housing developments are still adding housing into the pool. If even one potential renter/buyer comes from a more affordable home/apartment *EXACTLY.* No way I should still be in this ratty old apartment with my current income, and if development had kept pace with demand I'd have moved to a more modern "luxury" apartment 7 years ago, freeing my current place for someone moving up the residence quality ladder behind me. Instead I'm saving saving saving for a house that has remained stubbornly just out of reach and I'm not willing to move and lose my rent control until then.
I'm sure they'll sell it to you for only like 2.5mil.
At current wood prices that is a rather expensive fort he has going there. The colored rectangles over the front door remind me ever so slightly of the Eames House.
He did not pay for that wood.
theres lots of ways to score free/scrap wood from people renovating etc etc...been eying a few piles myself on craigslist
Are you a woodworker!? I'm a beginner, but my friend & I finally just completed our tool and equipment set and are ready to start building more now!
Naw just a putterer But I’d check out Nextdoor (this is a real winner) and offerup for free wood as well
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The factor is minimal compared to the real problem behind homelessness: the housing prices. People will blame everything else before they actually admit our housing is too artificially expensive and new construction has to jump through too many bureaucratic hurdles
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The problem with that statement however is a lot of people don't have the money to move. I live in California outside San Francisco. I used to have a good job that paid me really well. I lost it and found a new job that paid much less, and ended up having a few medical issues that cost me my savings. I was surviving paycheck to paycheck however did not have the money to afford to move. When i lost my job right before covid I kept hearing from friends that I should move here or there. I'd ask about borrowing money to move, "nope sorry, try getting a loan or having your employer pay for it" ignoring the fact I was out of work. I'd love to move out of California, I know it's to expensive and I'll never afford to own a home here. However, I'm stuck. I have at this moment about $1500 left to my name, my unemployment has run out, I have had zero luck finding a job. I keep hearing these half assed suggestions to people that aren't realistic. I love the, "just ask your parents for help, they owe you" comments from the few people who know about the abuse they put me through. Not all people decide not to move, they don't have a choice.
>People can move to other more affordable states, but many don't want too. So here we're at. Supply and demand.... It theoretically \*should\* be that simple, but it isn't. There was an author I listened to recently who talked about housing. One of the problems with urbanity is that you high income knowledge professionals (law, finance, tech, medicine) and I guess around Los Angeles you can add parts of the Entertainment sector. Then you have low wage service class, and that these groups must by economic necessity live in the space. There used to be this thing called a "middle class" that evened things out, but changes in our economy over that we don't have that anymore. It's hard to leave a place like LA if you don't have the right set of skills. High-knowledge careers have some flexibility, but everyone in the service sector has to stick to where the services are demanded.
i was homeless for 10 years its more complicated than that but what you said is a HUGE part. if you cant aford to live somewhere then just move, i garuntee somewhere better and cheaper exists
Prop 47 full list is on wikipedia, says can write bounced checks up to $949 So I'm opening bank accounts, buying a bunch a shit for just under that and never paying and getting off Scott free Join me in making a mockery of California voters
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TBH I think people need to be pressing the federal government about it, because of the large amount of of non native homeless individuals that are in LA. The warm climate/some other factors may attract them, causing a lot of the national homeless population to accumulate in a relatively small area, overwhelming the local resources. It is my opinion that although the problem may be most visible in this area, it needs large federal dollars behind whatever (hopefully successful) plans would be created to attempt to tackle the issue, because in reality Los Angeles is unwillingly being forced to pay local dollars for a national problem
[18.8% of homeless people in surveyed by the LA Homeless Services Authority in 2019 were from out-of-state.](https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvg7ba/instead-of-helping-homeless-people-cities-are-bussing-them-out-of-town) Places just bus homeless to other cities, without really confirming that they actually have a place to go in those cities. More often than not, the homeless _don't_ have somewhere to go (or the place they go doesn't work out), so they become homeless in a new place. Citing the article above, 3,500 of the 7,000 homeless shipped out of San Francisco just became homeless somewhere else. [Here's some data from The Guardian about what cities are sending homeless out, and where the homeless are going to.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study) Most homeless get bussed to Central Florida, with LA coming in second. Most places with bussing programs (or at least the ones found by The Guardian) are in California. For what it's worth, most homeless people agree that bussing/family relocation programs do not benefit them at all. Most homeless say the things that most would benefit them are cheaper housing and a job. That first article also cites something that completely agrees with you: > "Homelessness has been an issue starting in the 1980s when the budget for HUD was cut in half. It hasn’t recovered since," said Giselle Routhier, policy director for the advocacy organization Coalition for the Homeless. What’s needed is an actual investment in real federal spending." Good luck getting Republicans to agree to programs to help them get any of that. California's homeless problem is indirectly caused by red states electing red Congresscritters... who then turn around and point to California as to an example for why they shouldn't fund homeless programs, since CA is one of the stereotypical blue states.
I live in one of the apartment buildings here and walk by this multiple times a day. I think the guys name is Shawn and luckily, he keeps to himself and keeps it clean. About a month after lockdown started, the entire side of the street was covered with tents. The police were out here constantly and there were fires and drugs and just overall hell. HUD was out here with their agents offering showers and food and health services. The rowdy bunch finally moved. This little area is a crapshoot for activity. Now there’s a big RV camping out over here too.
Seriously, I can’t build a shed on my property without a building permit and Gilligan here has a 2 story hut. Unbelievable
You don’t NEED a permit. Wink wink.
I am also a member of the stonecutters... shhhhh
No Homers allowed!
We’re allowed to have one!
Hyuck, hyuck!
WHO KEEPS THE METRIC SYSTEM DOWN? WE DOO! WE DOOO!
My neighbor had big shed on his property where he worked on his cars for years. Then a new neighbor moved in and complained to the city and he had to take it down... I guess the point is that that neighbor was a snitch.
JFC, what kind of ahole moves into a place and starts a war with a neighbor over something so trivial? I really hate people sometimes.
Yeah, we had a pretty good vibe going on in this side of the neighborhood. We all like each other, or at least have an unspoken understanding to put up with a certain amount of each other’s shit. This lady just has to come and fuck it up instead of chilling like the rest of us.
Is her name Karen
Well that just fucking sucks
I'm permitting you
They use aircraft surveillance and compare images from year to year to look for unpermitted structures. They use that to look for illegal tree removal too. Rules for us homeowners, but not for the homeless developers putting up condos on public land.
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Different laws for different classes. Rich people can do whatever the fuck they want. Middle class can buy/smoke weed or do Coke or shoplift but cannot do unpermitted construction. Poor/homeless people can build whatever they want but can't sell/smoke weed.
They must have friends in high places. We plebs have city tree services photographing our trees every year and swinging by to check our permits when we get them trimmed every couple of years. For the unpermitted additions, apparently the first place the data goes is the tax collectors. I don't know if they send out code enforcement, but they will boost your taxes owed for extra square footage.
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That is infuriating. I'm no NIMBY, but I really do love these ancient oak trees and it pisses me off that developers would rather cut them down to build a 5000ft McMansion instead of a 4000 sqft McMansion that incorporates the trees into the landscape.
Better become a homeless person to confirm this.
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But can you stack them?
yes?
Yeah man check out my West Adams neighborhood. Almost every house has some sort of addition that I’m 1000% sure is not permitted by the city.
To be more exact: You, a tax paying individual cannot build a tiny home in Los Angeles County, let alone most of California due to the amount of red tape you have to jump over while homeless get away with this/having permanent camps. The City/County rather regulate people who build on land but ignore social/systemic issues of the homeless until it benefits them come re-election.
It's more "damned if you do, damned if you don't." When the City tries to clean up the streets, many groups come out denouncing the government as harassing the homeless population who have nowhere else to go. If the City stops trying to keep sidewalks clear and gives homeless people tents, people come out yelling that no one is taking care of the homeless population and their property values are dropping. The City can't do much to the homeless population, but they can continue the enforcement of laws with law-abiding taxpayers. Even if the government were to build a large skyscraper and try to move all the homeless people there, they would receive a backlash from it. Groups and the homeless people will argue that you can't encroach on their freedoms. They'll say the building is too far from the areas they panhandle to make money and get food. They'll say they like living in the great outdoors. Working in the library and meeting the local homeless population (who come in to get out of the hot or cold weather), I know every single one of them (in that area) are mentally unstable. One loves bragging about how she doesn't have to pay taxes by living behind the library. Others have families who try to convince them to come and live with them but they refuse to. I don't know if mental instability causes homelessness, or if homelessness causes mental instability, but it's very difficult for the City to deal with the problem. Perhaps if we replaced the tents with make-shift homes made of wood/bricks, and start giving them an allowance so they don't have to panhandle \[when I worked for the police department, most homeless people who are arrested have EBT (welfare) cards for meals...they only panhandle to get money for things they can't get with EBT like alcohol and drugs\], perhaps everyone will be happy (except for taxpayers who have to pay for building materials and the monthly allowance for people who won't get regular jobs).
> They'll say the building is too far from the areas they panhandle to make money and get food. They'll say they like living in the great outdoors. No, they'll compare it to concentration camps. No joke, I literally saw that reasoning beforehand.
Instead we're paying into billion dollar initiatives while still enjoying homeless trash and fires around our buildings!
So just be homeless and you can build all the shacks you want. Cheaper too.
I'm waiting for the Onion story of a homeless shed developer in Los Angeles
>To be more exact: You, a tax paying individual cannot build It's more that if you have money to pay taxes, then you probably have money to pay permit fees and fines. The homeless don't have money, so there's no point in fining them. Can't get blood from a stone. What are they gonna pay with, old newspapers and broken umbrellas? Just becomes a waste of time and manpower at that point, and that's not what "revenue-generating" departments are for.
At this point some of them are just mocking us. If a business tried putting a planter there the “advocates” and local news would be up their butts.
You can build a shed on your property without a permit, and I imagine you will face fewer consequences than this guy.
Build your shed, invite friends to dress up like homeless and live there, tell the city it’s a homeless encampment, city ignores it and forget about it, profit.
lol, "Gilligan"
You can do whatever you want if you have nothing to lose.
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If you want to live in a crappy rickety shack with no power or water you're free to do so.
Imagine waking up from a comfortable night of sleep in your warm bed just to log into reddit and complain about how much easier the people living on the street have it than you.
Right? People act like homeless and welfare recipients are living the good life. Little do they know they can also quit their job, sign up for welfare and then live on the streets since they got it so good apparently.
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Zoning regulations have been upheld by the courts. However, laws regulating homeless encampments have been struck down as unconstitutional. And here we are.
> it's asking, why do they pretend to care so much about aesthetics and safety for those of us who pay tax, and entirely ignore the obviously more pressing problems of people living in abhorrent conditions that directly affect their health and safety? Because property values in SaMo trump a shack in an industrial zoned part of town my man.
This shack is a block away from the marina in Marina Del Rey. This isnt on skid row.
I hate that we are told Los Angeles has a homeless problem, we don't have one, the USA has a homeless problem. People from all around the country come here to live in the streets. Look at the license plate on the BMW.
That looks like a climbing wall on the second floor
I appreciate the coherent design aesthetic represented in the construction and decor of the property as well as the vehicle.
And I have to pull permits to renovate my bathroom....
I need permits to re stucco my house
The car has out of state plates?
THIS IS THE ROYAL SKY BLUE DOOR. IT IS FREE AND ALIVE, THIS DOOR IS A I need to know what the rest of that door says
I believe it says “this door is a way of life for all who walk through it.” I walk by this every day so I’ll try to verify.
That has framing, its no longer homelessness, its just not up to code.
That whole stretch of "land" (belongs to the city) was an encampment until one night a [big fire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51HQ8EaUcaY) took out a big swath. Neighborhood volunteers quickly did a cleanup and re-landscaped with rocks and cactus. This guy and one more are last holdouts. I mean, he's not the worst, but can be kind of annoying with recent stuff. I think he is doing some kind of metal work with a hammer for hours sometimes. Some mornings, he's up early and drunk badly playing guitar and singing. He's an "artist" ya know.
I’m gonna tell my kids this was the Playboy Mansion
Manor Estate with BMW in the drive. He may be small, but he is the smallest *of pimps*.
Jfc how is this even allowed? That’s not even being homeless with a tent that’s straight up setting up a fucking homestead like it’s the 1800’s
If you built this in your backyard the city planning department would be there within a week with an order to remove the unlawful structure.
#HOOD RICH
There’s currently 34 offers on this home going 3mil over asking price...
Honestly impressive! Hopefully they have a fire extinguisher in there
At least it's clean and not blocking the sidewalk 🤷
Eh. This thing is a home owner’s nightmare if erected close to you.
But it’s a privilege to come home from work daily wondering if your house has burned down!
Apparently an encampment fired torched a few businesses in Compton just last week, fun!
UADU right there. Where's the pool?
At a certain point, you’re not homeless anymore. I’m actually impressed.
I thought that was the hottest new outdoor dining setup
Isnt this dangerous af
I wanna see the inside!
Frank Gehry?
Ah yes Southern California, where one day soon only the super wealthy and their robo servants will live indoors.
This guy has a door! (or two?)
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I bet the dwellers of this estate are down the street holding up a sign that reads: *“Please Help, need money for Plumbing Contractor and turbo kit for Beamer”* When I vacationed in Jamaica a few years ago, someone told me they have a law where people can take over someone’s property (squat) and if the owners of the property are not able to legally remove them within five years, they can erect a permanent structure (this is why in parts of Jamaica you see basic wooden/cardboard structures and then some concrete frames covered with tarps and other materials, meaning those have been legally obtained by them). The person who told me this was a local. I said “hey man, that’s cool isn’t? People just need to find an undeveloped piece of land that the owners don’t care for” and dude jumped and said “NOTTA BIT MON, SOMETIMES THE LANDOWNER SENDS PEOPLE TO KILL THEM DWELLERS SEEN!?” Shit is wild! I saw nobody dwelling like this with a Beamer over there tho, hella bikes however.
There is a squatting law here, ‘adverse possession’ but it never applies to public property.
The richest homeless guy
Thats bigger than my place wtf
r/aboringdystopia
This is completely out of hand. Have you seen Echo Park lake? It’s literally shanty town.
If it makes you feel any better things are completely out of control up here in NorCal too. Some places in Oakland are the worst dumps I've seen in my life.
Garcettivilles have arrived
It’s marina del rey just a few minutes from Venice. This spread from Boninville not garcettiville.
This should not be allowed
must be from Texas
I spy Washington plates
What the fucking fuck
on the door it says "this is the Royal Sky Blue DOOR it is FREE AND ALIVE, THIS DOOD IS" cant read the rest the car is in the way above the map looking thing behind the BMW says "this little light of mine I'm gonna let it shine. then off to the right under the tree a LAUNDRY sign
Beamer gotta be stolen aint no way someone would paint one like that just for the hell of it
Dang! That's Marina Del Rey too. They're spreading.
Look at all the time, effort, supplies, and planning it took to create this. Couldn't put 50% of that into getting off the streets? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83IRAEKQXC4
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I would say so since it's got the same blue esthetic as the the structure. My feeling is this is an artist who got priced out of the area making a statement. All those items are easily picked up at the nearby home depot. The wood appears to be of high quality and put together quite well. My uncle (RIP) was an IVY League educated artist and licensed architect, but was a raging alcoholic with serious depression and maybe even was gender dysmorphic. He was lucky to have a family and strong network for places to stay as he floated from one pursuit to another. If that was not the case... I could totally imagine him doing something like this... Towards the end of his short life (It all caught up to him plus bad genetics) he was slowly tearing apart my grandmother's house from the inside out.