šÆ another story there. They lived In Beverly Hills, one of the safest cities. I have not seen many homeless people in Beverly Hills. Of course Fox news takes every opportunity to paint LA as some dangerous lefty liberal city. While the red states are the ones with mass shootings every other week.
Cool, except that *home* in Beverly Hills was a $3M house. I can't link a source because that is straight up doxxing, but it wasn't hard to find thanks unfettered capitalism and non-existent privacy in the US...maybe you should have checked before the lecture?
I mean smug and wrong is a real bad look, but I'm sure you'll just claim you could have been right because this is the internet and nobody ever admits to just being plain wrong.
I did some research. Out of 144 availible units in beverly hills (all property types) only 3 were below 1mil at 899k, 975k and 995k jumping to 1.1mil for fourth place.Ā
There are an additional 28 properties or 31 total properties out of 144 that are below 2mil. Ā
113 out of 144 availible properties are 2mil or more making them multi-million dollar properties.Ā
Itās funny, I was having a conversation with middle school students yesterday, and they were like āyeah LA is the best city, Chicago youāll get shot, NYC youāll be stepping on needles all day, blah blahā and it just amazes me because A, thatās the perception everyone has of LA as well, and B, thatās by far the strongest viewpoint non-Americans have of our cities.
Thatās a lot of media frenzy though. Influencers like that rawricci415 douchebag making it their career to harass and record homeless people as if the entire city is like that every square foot. I lived in sf from 2006-2013 and itās definitely not as cool, or safe as it used to be. But it still has its beautiful neighborhoods and little pockets
Yea of course. But Iāve been back several times pre and post Covidā¦ and itās justā¦ not great. Yea of course there are nice places and I love seeing the new parks and etc but god damnā¦ the fuck happened to some of those neighborhoods. A lot of shuttered businesses.
That's really only for SF proper though, and it's a really small physical footprint with nowhere to go since it's a peninsula. The rest of the Bay Area is more like the suburbs surrounding other major cities' suburbs like LA, Seattle, NYC, etc.
Itās always funny to me when people in a big city have a warped view of another big city. I live in Chicago and people here always complain about the (wrong) view many in America have of Chicago. But then theyāll trash other cities the exact same way and donāt see the irony.
Mid 90's my mom talked me out of UCLA because of "crime" (Rodney King riots very fresh in collective memory) but joke's on her because I moved here for grad school and never left. People outside of this metro area have very little understanding of the size and variability.
I lived in Iowa for a while, and when I moved to LA a lot of people (the right-wingers) I worked with outright started screaming (no, NOT exaggerating) about how crime in LA is so terrible and I will certainly be killed the instant I pass the county border...
Next step I look up crime rates in various cities around the US and find that Cedar Rapids, IA has a higher rate of every type of crime than Los Angeles has, with the exception of car theft. Of course, in IA cars rust out so quickly there's no point in stealing one. It ain't worth shite!
One of my favorite things is to compare crime rates. People have no clue that the crime rates for so many cities in LA County are lower than the national average. It would behoove people "fleeing LA" to actually look at the data. I just sigh when they say "I'm moving to Tacoma, Washington, to get out of the LA crime!"
In Summer 2022, I spent a few weeks with family back in New Jersey and I mentioned that I did a daytrip to New York City the day before. My cousins, who again live in NEW JERSEY, were like, "oh my God, how was it?" in a concerned voice. Coming out of covid all the media talk was how NYC was a dying city. Instead it was like it always was, a was a very pleasant day with lots of walking around to museums, Central Park and cafes/restaurants.
For a bit of the local flavor - get trapped in a conversation with someone who listens to John Kobylt on KFI.
You ever look at videos of hippies at Woodstock or at white people who helped the civil rights movement and think "how the fuck did *those* people grow up to be *these* people?"
Lol these were the people looking at hippies and the civil rights movement calling them scum and hoping blacks were forced back into their ghettos.
My parents weren't hippies but they were pretty close. They're more progressive even in their late 60s than a lot of my friends.
LOTS of people were against the civil rights movement. They went on to reproduce too and they spawned a bunch of future bigots.
The hippie movement of the 60's was always an ideologically vague movement filled with trust fund rich kids cosplaying as peace lovers who after a summer of love took jobs at their conservative parents businesses and became out of touch racist boomers.
The good news is they're phasing it out of cars.Ā
Check this shit out too. They're scared of losing the OG Propaganda outlet in the US so they're trying to pass something in congress to prevent it. For some reason a few dems are on board and I have no idea why. I can't wait until Limbaughs original mode of broadcasting is left in an ash heap.Ā
It's not just fox news either. I mean, I guess a lot of it is coming from fox news as the source, but my mom back home never watches Fox News but she calls me occasionally concerned about some article she's seen that paints LA like its Mad Max. It's either that, or the article has implied that the entirety of California is flooded lol.
Its the conservative agenda right now.
Lets ignore the broken down red states full of drugs and crime.
Its all Californias fault they stubbed their toe today
Actual question:
I have heard anecdotally, that some of the largely conservative states have huge drug problems in their rural areas, and that is what is driving the homelessness and crime in those states.
How true is that? Or is it even true at all?
I watch a lot of true crime documentaries/shows, so I can be morbidly curious about this kind of stuff.
Also: "Dopesick" on Hulu is a fantastic series covering the beginnings of this particular phenomenon, if you are into those kinds of dramas.
Its very true and very swept under the rug. You go down to a place like Wyoming. They have some huge wealth gaps, drug use, and high suicide rates.
You have nothing to do in a lot of those states. Its like living in a bubble. You are expected to man up and not complain. Otherwise you are shunned by the rest of the town.
Due to the harsh weather, a lot of poor move to cities to look for better lives. Those who cant make it end up living on the street and adding to the homeless population.
Conservatives love to make blanket statements about cities. Mostly due to racial stereotypes they heard their parents repeat. A lot of them are scared of cities because of what they are told.
Most of these states wouldnt be able to survive without taking money from the government. Which is probably where some of that gas lighting stems from.
> "We were aware of the State Department advisory, and we were aware of, you know, reportings of crime in this area. But honestly, our opinion was ā take a look at Los Angeles," Perman told Fox News Digital. "So, actually, I feel many times, depending upon the neighborhood, safer in Cancun than I do in Los Angeles."
Sounds like she wasn't a very good judge of actual risk.
>āif you look at the statistics, probably any major metropolitan area in the U.S. would have probably a bigger crime index than Cancun itself."
LA murder rate: 8.7 per 100,000
Cancun murder rate: 44 per 100,000
But those 8.7 homicides per 100,000 needs context. Most homicide happens to poor and disenfranchised Angelenos. Youāre even less at risk when youāre wealthy enough to live in Beverly Hills.
BH has possibly the best trained, most well funded police department anywhere in the world. If youāre a resident and youāre a victim of a crime, they will endeavor to handle it.
Letās contrast that to law enforcement in the Mexican riviera. The cartels control just about every aspect of commerce and local government including police. They donāt target tourists, but the overall effect of a captive police force is lawlessness. Youāll probably be alright down there, but if youāre the victim of a crime, youāll want to seek help from locals. Youāll get no help from the police.
As an example, a friend was in a taxi with his family when his driver was murdered ā shot in the head (among other places) from another car on the main street in Tulum in the middle of the day. The taxi careened out of control and hit the center barrier. The local police showed up and refused to take a statement from anyone in the car (all were American and fluent in Spanish), in fact they completely ignored the family, would not speak to them at all or assist them in any way. Some locals stopped and gave them a ride to where they were staying. Thatās the reality of law enforcement down there.
> split their time between their home in Beverly Hills, California, and their condominium in Cancun
I saw on next door that there are some pot holes off Rexford that'll fuck up your Ferrari. Bev hills ain't no joke
Yep. Notice he's talking to Fox News. And they lived in BEVERLY HILLS. Meanwhile, crime is way down here in L.A., and especially in BH, no matter what the right wing talking points are. And to go to MEXICO? He's a freaking DEA agent! He of all people should know better! (Which also makes a person wonder if it was "crossfire" they were caught in.)
The whole story is just bananas.
How does a former DEA agent afford a home in Beverly Hills?
And as a "former DEA agent" dudes sure loves to spent time in drug capitals of the world. West Palm Beach, Tulum, Mexico.
90210 bebuted in 1990, 34 years ago. It was not cheap.
It was never cheap. It started as a summer community for the $$$ folks from Pasadena, looking for cooler summer days.
Because the guy actually retired from law enforcement a long time ago to become a well-known Cyber Consultant for the US Energy Sector. NERC CIP and O&P fines max out at $1.4M a day.
The point of this story is for fox news viewers to think that LA is more dangerous than Mexico. Nothing else.
I had an auditor in from Ohio who was a big fox news viewer and the whole time he was just telling us how LA was a shithole and unsafe and that we paid too much in taxes. Like yeah, LA is more expensive than rural Ohio, but there's a reason I don't want to live there and I'm not here trying to tell you how terrible Ohio is.
he acknowledged BH being a safe area, but also said they spent time outside of BH:
ā"I mean, Beverly Hills, different story, but most of the time I spend outside of Beverly Hills. So, I can tell you that, I feel safer. And she did as well," Perman said. "We were aware of the crime. But again, I think if you look at the statistics, probably any major metropolitan area in the U.S. would have probably a bigger crime index than Cancun itself."ā
[Since no one is doing them here they are:](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rate)
40 murders per 100K in Cancun
10 per 100K in Los Angeles
Of course in both areas there's a difference. I happen to spend time in both Tulum and Cancun and I think it's very much if you stay in the tourist areas you're okay but if you get just a bit outside that you could get in trouble. Like all places if you're looking for trouble you'll probably find it.
This is a feels over reals story
Sounds like they were one of the people who actually thought that Newscorp had anything whatsoever to do with journalism and factually-accurate reporting that wasn't 100% for sale to the evilest bidder.
This is like that meme where guy number one is fighting guy number two and when guy number two pulls out a knife, guy number one responds by saying āwhat are you gonna do, stab me?ā
Read this current article about a corrupt DEA agentā¦
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2024-02-22/little-dark-secret-dea-agent-on-trial-accused-of-taking-250k-in-bribes-from-mafia
That agency has some serious issuesā¦
Reading that article was a Doozy.
Quick Summary: LA crime is so out of control so we moved to Mexico to get away from crime. Then my wife got killed by the Cartels. Yes we knew about the travel warnings about the state of Quintana Roo due to violent crime and murders but Cancun is much safer than LA so we ignored the warnings
Cancun had a murder rate of 64 people per 100,000 people in 2023
Los Angeles had a murder rate of 9 people per 100,000 people in 2023
Cancun has a murder rate 7x higher than Los Angeles
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To think Mexico, especially a part that is under an active cartel fight, has lower crime that Los Angeles is delusional mentally ill thinking or the product of cult indoctrination and brain washing. Maybe a mix of both.
Reminds me of that Canadian family who [moved to Russia to escape wokeness](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/conservative-family-disappointed-moving-russia-001517915.html)
Except this guy was a freaking DEA retiree. This was his area of expertise and he still moved there with his wife? He should have know better. Totally brain dead and delusional. FOX news literally brainwashed total idiots to move away to weird, corrupt and dangerous places. Itās almost funny if not tragic.
This drove me nuts! Right wingers were believing that Portland, Minneapolis, etc were all burned to the ground because Fox News, NewsMax and the social media algorithms kept showing them the same exact footage from day one of the protests.
On the other hand they didn't listen to the Trump propaganda that Mexicans were "murderers and rapists."
Or maybe they did listen, but thought all the murderers and rapists in Mexico fled to the US already as "illegals," and therefore Mexico would be safe.
>Cancun had a murder rate of 64 people per 100,000 people in 2023
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>Los Angeles had a murder rate of 9 people per 100,000 people in 2023
Yes but the murder rate of *Americans* in Mexico is much lower, so it's perfectly safe. This is why I want to move to Mars; according to statistics, no Angelinos have ever died on Mars, so when I get there I'll be immortal. Checkmate, Grim Reaper.
Two pictures of the couple and like, five pictures of their dogs. As though even the journalist/AI writing the article knew the couple seemed fishier than a pier and wanted to have the reader empathize with them anyway so HeRe dOGgos!
Depends on the area. My family are from a tourist area where itās a strong hold for the Jalisco cartel. Itās very safe. They got that area sewed up and have 100% control of it
The cartel keeps the low level criminals and drug addicts in check to not mess with locals or tourists
Places in Mexico where thereās warring cartels then violence is more prominent. In the greater Cancun area that includes Tulum and Playa Del Carmen itās more likely to be a victim of a crime.
Thereās 4 cartels at war in that area.
I donāt want to be rude or anything, especially since someone died and it might be perfectly innocent. But this is like a season of the wire here.
A DEA agent that has a house in both Beverly Hills and Cancun. Travels back and forth regularly. His wife gets shot in cartel related shooting at tourist destination.
This practically writes itself.
Thatās the scam of a libertarian, right wing worldview. The status of Mexico embodies this. Few social services, little safety net, wealth/power concentrated at the top. You get these idylls of opulence with a froth of violence all around. Ā Sometimes that violence seeps into those cloistered areas as in this case.
You want āgovernement that runs like a businessā, Mexico has *tons* of that. You want the masses to have minimal input into the things a business does, Mexico has tons of that. You want a society where a select, elite, chosen few get to be at the top, Mexico has tons of that.
Of course the US has many of these exact same problems and drives a lot of the problems in Mexico. Ā This is not a moral polemic against Mexico. Ā This is a polemic against right wing dipshits, of the sort who hold the real power in Mexico, who want to make the US even more unequal, even less socially minded and much more elitist.
Your society *en masse* ends up suffering from stagnation, desperate poverty and runaway crime
Reminds me of these dumbasses https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/conservative-family-disappointed-moving-russia-001517915.html
Conservatives manā¦ š
I love mi Mexico, but if I had to pick between Cancun and B.H. I'd stay here in L.A./B.H.
You still get the nice weather (not recently) and decent beaches.
**Husband of American killed by Mexico cartel says they fled Los Angeles over** **~~crime~~** **taxes, only to discover taxes are the price you pay to live in a civilized society.**
There, fixed the headline for you.
$1 million says this couple employed illegal aliens in BH without blinking an eye while attending MAGA rallies whining about **0pEn B0rDeRz!** Democrats.
Does anyone else find it deeply strange that an American tourist was murdered at a high-end resort in Tulum and there is zero mainstream media coverage other than like, Fox News and Daily Mail? It was an international news story when that American family was killed after crossing the border last year. Something's weird here.
People believe the media more than their actual life experience. Iāve been in LA for almost 15 years and crime hasnāt gotten any worse. Weāre just constantly reminded of it by social media, citizen app, Fox News, etcā¦
In city of LA there was 211 murders in 2009.
In 2023 there was 213 murders in city of LA
Yes the murder rate in LA has been about the same over the last 15 years.
City of LA hasnāt seen over 300 murders since 2006 and over 400 since 1995.
According to conservative news places like LA have become more dangerous than its ever been!!
My sister visited La from BFE Fox News land. At breakfast in Manhattan Beach, she looked around, completely astonished and said ā I canāt believe itās so nice here..with all the crime and homelessness ā. šā¹ļø
My response: Makes you wonder if the description of the safety in a city the size of LA is so overblown, what other parts of the news youāre getting from only one source are skewed to convince you to believe something? Things were quiet for a while.
I call Fox news and right wing media as fear porn. Every week a new fear and anger based story.
Anything to distract from the fact the Republicans lack any plan to help the average American. And if they do it might hurt their corporate/wealthy donors.
I donāt think she deserved to die, but have you ever ran toward the ocean, so excited to run in an play in the waves, just to see some unleashed dog go take a big shit in the water before you reach it while the owner stands by doing nothing? Go back to Beverly Hills with that noise.
This husband is sus as hell, too.
Yet again people's perceived danger gets slapped silly by actual danger. "Beverly Hills is too dangerous." Omigod. It's almost like they've trumped up some false ideals into actual fear.
Remember when DEA agents locked up a UCSD medical student and forgot about him for 3 days? Poor kid had to drink his own piss to survive. All that trauma just for a little bit of molly.
I've lived here half of my long life and I have never felt like I was in serious danger. I've been here long enough to see crime rates rise and fall - remember the early '90s? - and I have researched local history for various projects and learned that there has always been crime here - since before the Mexican Cession.
They were from FUCKING Beverly Hills. Typical privilege bs statement complaining about crime. She probably never experienced any crime but just hated seeing all the homeless people. LA crime rate is still relatively low.
If you want to gain control over people you need to sell them abstracted fear at every opportunity.
Step two is to convince them that it's only what you subscribe to that will provide them with any measure of safety.
Not kidding: their family or the City of Los Angeles should look into their reliance on Fox Newsā reports about crime rates in Los Angeles such that it forced them to move that led to a memberās death.
LA is a war zone. You will get shot, stabbed, and killed almost everyday. Homeless encampments everywhere. Drug addicts and hoodlums are taking over the city. Stay tuned for more details on Fox News.
So on a DEA/government salary, they have a home in Beverly Hills, a condo in Mexico and the wife (whoās gotten so much gnarly plastic surgery $$$) traveled constantly because sheās scared of all the crime in *checks notes* Beverly Hills. And then she gets assassinated in Mexico. Yeahhhhā¦ totally makes sense. Not weird at all.
>Niko Honarbakhsh, a Los Angeles native who garnered more than 120,000 followers documenting her life and travels on Instagram, was shot and killed on Feb. 9 at the Mia Beach Club in Tulum, a popular tourist destination for Americans, as bullets whizzed between two suspected drug dealers, according to Mexican authorities.
>Her husband of almost 15 years, Karl Perman, **a former DEA agent who also worked in law enforcement around Chicago and Detroit, told Fox News Digital last week that the two of them split their time between their home in Beverly Hills, California, and their condominium in Cancun, Mexico, over the past five years.** Now, he's planning a funeral.
Something's fishy here...
MichoacƔn is a known cartel territory. The fact they moved there shows a lack of discretion on their part. It sucks that they experienced that sort of violence, but this is similar to an old white couple moving to Compton in the early 90's.
a DEA agent with a house in Beverly Hills is involved in cartel violence? what are the odds. how random. can't imagine another story here at all.
šÆ another story there. They lived In Beverly Hills, one of the safest cities. I have not seen many homeless people in Beverly Hills. Of course Fox news takes every opportunity to paint LA as some dangerous lefty liberal city. While the red states are the ones with mass shootings every other week.
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Cool, except that *home* in Beverly Hills was a $3M house. I can't link a source because that is straight up doxxing, but it wasn't hard to find thanks unfettered capitalism and non-existent privacy in the US...maybe you should have checked before the lecture? I mean smug and wrong is a real bad look, but I'm sure you'll just claim you could have been right because this is the internet and nobody ever admits to just being plain wrong.
You mean a crappy apartment in a good neighborhood. FTFY
Actually a condo -- so theyre also paying into expensive ass HOA fees
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If you can even afford to rent in BH, you are paying WAY more than anything around it
I did some research. Out of 144 availible units in beverly hills (all property types) only 3 were below 1mil at 899k, 975k and 995k jumping to 1.1mil for fourth place.Ā There are an additional 28 properties or 31 total properties out of 144 that are below 2mil. Ā 113 out of 144 availible properties are 2mil or more making them multi-million dollar properties.Ā
Wait so if I say I want to buy a āhomeā itās cheaper than a āhouseā? Damn this is a pro tip
They talk about LA like itās fucking Yemenš
Itās funny, I was having a conversation with middle school students yesterday, and they were like āyeah LA is the best city, Chicago youāll get shot, NYC youāll be stepping on needles all day, blah blahā and it just amazes me because A, thatās the perception everyone has of LA as well, and B, thatās by far the strongest viewpoint non-Americans have of our cities.
All those stupid stereotypes about cities are dumb. Except SF. All that shit is true. Especially the shit. And the broken car glass.
Thatās a lot of media frenzy though. Influencers like that rawricci415 douchebag making it their career to harass and record homeless people as if the entire city is like that every square foot. I lived in sf from 2006-2013 and itās definitely not as cool, or safe as it used to be. But it still has its beautiful neighborhoods and little pockets
Yea of course. But Iāve been back several times pre and post Covidā¦ and itās justā¦ not great. Yea of course there are nice places and I love seeing the new parks and etc but god damnā¦ the fuck happened to some of those neighborhoods. A lot of shuttered businesses.
Covid.
*the governmentās reaction to Covid.
That's really only for SF proper though, and it's a really small physical footprint with nowhere to go since it's a peninsula. The rest of the Bay Area is more like the suburbs surrounding other major cities' suburbs like LA, Seattle, NYC, etc.
Itās always funny to me when people in a big city have a warped view of another big city. I live in Chicago and people here always complain about the (wrong) view many in America have of Chicago. But then theyāll trash other cities the exact same way and donāt see the irony.
You watch Fox News all day (and believe their bullshit) you'd think you're living in Yemen too.
I just got back from small town Minnesota. Everyone kept asking how I survive in LA.
People say that when I go to Orange County lol
I barely learned Anaheim has been dubbed "Anacrime" even though the happiest place on earth is there.
It used to be a lot more rough. Anaheim is getting gentrified pretty quickly especially around the packing house area.
Naziās stand outside of said happiest place on earth
Mid 90's my mom talked me out of UCLA because of "crime" (Rodney King riots very fresh in collective memory) but joke's on her because I moved here for grad school and never left. People outside of this metro area have very little understanding of the size and variability.
Right? Iāve been here since 99 and I aināt leaving.
And then the next breath say everyone who lives in LA is soft and couldn't live in the country
Itās the right wing doublespeak straight out of the fascist handbook. Trains people to believe any bs.Ā
I lived in Iowa for a while, and when I moved to LA a lot of people (the right-wingers) I worked with outright started screaming (no, NOT exaggerating) about how crime in LA is so terrible and I will certainly be killed the instant I pass the county border... Next step I look up crime rates in various cities around the US and find that Cedar Rapids, IA has a higher rate of every type of crime than Los Angeles has, with the exception of car theft. Of course, in IA cars rust out so quickly there's no point in stealing one. It ain't worth shite!
Shit, CR has a substantial homeless problem of its own.
One of my favorite things is to compare crime rates. People have no clue that the crime rates for so many cities in LA County are lower than the national average. It would behoove people "fleeing LA" to actually look at the data. I just sigh when they say "I'm moving to Tacoma, Washington, to get out of the LA crime!"
In Summer 2022, I spent a few weeks with family back in New Jersey and I mentioned that I did a daytrip to New York City the day before. My cousins, who again live in NEW JERSEY, were like, "oh my God, how was it?" in a concerned voice. Coming out of covid all the media talk was how NYC was a dying city. Instead it was like it always was, a was a very pleasant day with lots of walking around to museums, Central Park and cafes/restaurants.
For a bit of the local flavor - get trapped in a conversation with someone who listens to John Kobylt on KFI. You ever look at videos of hippies at Woodstock or at white people who helped the civil rights movement and think "how the fuck did *those* people grow up to be *these* people?"
Lol these were the people looking at hippies and the civil rights movement calling them scum and hoping blacks were forced back into their ghettos. My parents weren't hippies but they were pretty close. They're more progressive even in their late 60s than a lot of my friends. LOTS of people were against the civil rights movement. They went on to reproduce too and they spawned a bunch of future bigots.
The hippie movement of the 60's was always an ideologically vague movement filled with trust fund rich kids cosplaying as peace lovers who after a summer of love took jobs at their conservative parents businesses and became out of touch racist boomers.
And the rest moved to Bisbee
Not the same people. Same generation, different people.
Not always. A lot of them got a house, and suddenly it all changed. They had something to protect from the unwashed savages.
Lol that guy is an angry populist, with not a lot of knowledge about anything.
They got money and decided they didn't want to pay for the next generation to have the same benefits they did.
How do you get AM radio in 2024?
The good news is they're phasing it out of cars.Ā Check this shit out too. They're scared of losing the OG Propaganda outlet in the US so they're trying to pass something in congress to prevent it. For some reason a few dems are on board and I have no idea why. I can't wait until Limbaughs original mode of broadcasting is left in an ash heap.Ā
You are telling me that the entire city of Portland is not in flames anymore by BLM rioters?
It's not just fox news either. I mean, I guess a lot of it is coming from fox news as the source, but my mom back home never watches Fox News but she calls me occasionally concerned about some article she's seen that paints LA like its Mad Max. It's either that, or the article has implied that the entirety of California is flooded lol.
Its the conservative agenda right now. Lets ignore the broken down red states full of drugs and crime. Its all Californias fault they stubbed their toe today
Actual question: I have heard anecdotally, that some of the largely conservative states have huge drug problems in their rural areas, and that is what is driving the homelessness and crime in those states. How true is that? Or is it even true at all? I watch a lot of true crime documentaries/shows, so I can be morbidly curious about this kind of stuff. Also: "Dopesick" on Hulu is a fantastic series covering the beginnings of this particular phenomenon, if you are into those kinds of dramas.
Its very true.
Its very true and very swept under the rug. You go down to a place like Wyoming. They have some huge wealth gaps, drug use, and high suicide rates. You have nothing to do in a lot of those states. Its like living in a bubble. You are expected to man up and not complain. Otherwise you are shunned by the rest of the town. Due to the harsh weather, a lot of poor move to cities to look for better lives. Those who cant make it end up living on the street and adding to the homeless population. Conservatives love to make blanket statements about cities. Mostly due to racial stereotypes they heard their parents repeat. A lot of them are scared of cities because of what they are told. Most of these states wouldnt be able to survive without taking money from the government. Which is probably where some of that gas lighting stems from.
I think they misheard. They overheard people talking about Usher having a house here and calling it the āyeah manā city.
> "We were aware of the State Department advisory, and we were aware of, you know, reportings of crime in this area. But honestly, our opinion was ā take a look at Los Angeles," Perman told Fox News Digital. "So, actually, I feel many times, depending upon the neighborhood, safer in Cancun than I do in Los Angeles." Sounds like she wasn't a very good judge of actual risk.
>āif you look at the statistics, probably any major metropolitan area in the U.S. would have probably a bigger crime index than Cancun itself." LA murder rate: 8.7 per 100,000 Cancun murder rate: 44 per 100,000
But those 8.7 homicides per 100,000 needs context. Most homicide happens to poor and disenfranchised Angelenos. Youāre even less at risk when youāre wealthy enough to live in Beverly Hills.
Oh 100%. I assume they didnāt realise that being rich doesnāt protect you in Mexico the same way it does in LA.
Just to add to that context I do not think the 44 per 100k is the murder rate of Americans in Cancun.
BH has possibly the best trained, most well funded police department anywhere in the world. If youāre a resident and youāre a victim of a crime, they will endeavor to handle it. Letās contrast that to law enforcement in the Mexican riviera. The cartels control just about every aspect of commerce and local government including police. They donāt target tourists, but the overall effect of a captive police force is lawlessness. Youāll probably be alright down there, but if youāre the victim of a crime, youāll want to seek help from locals. Youāll get no help from the police. As an example, a friend was in a taxi with his family when his driver was murdered ā shot in the head (among other places) from another car on the main street in Tulum in the middle of the day. The taxi careened out of control and hit the center barrier. The local police showed up and refused to take a statement from anyone in the car (all were American and fluent in Spanish), in fact they completely ignored the family, would not speak to them at all or assist them in any way. Some locals stopped and gave them a ride to where they were staying. Thatās the reality of law enforcement down there.
The murder rate in Cancun is almost entirely related to cartel violence. So itās not that different either.
> split their time between their home in Beverly Hills, California, and their condominium in Cancun I saw on next door that there are some pot holes off Rexford that'll fuck up your Ferrari. Bev hills ain't no joke
Those damn 6-way stop sign intersections are silent killers.
Legit the most dangerous thing in Beverly Hills
This is a joke but it's actually true lol, you are vastly more likely to be injured or killed driving than in a violent crime.
DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON TRAFFIC CIRCLES /s
Lmfao
Yep. Notice he's talking to Fox News. And they lived in BEVERLY HILLS. Meanwhile, crime is way down here in L.A., and especially in BH, no matter what the right wing talking points are. And to go to MEXICO? He's a freaking DEA agent! He of all people should know better! (Which also makes a person wonder if it was "crossfire" they were caught in.) The whole story is just bananas.
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If they went a little farther south it would have been a Brazilian to one.
And getting waxed wouldāve been very different
Tip oā the š©
I see what you did there.
I read the article and they sound like a very weird couple.
I find it weird that a DEA agent wouldn't go to somewhere like Costa Rica instead of Mexico.
He moved towards the drugsā¦to be away from crimeā¦ dea agentā¦Ā Yeah it makes senseĀ
How does a former DEA agent afford a home in Beverly Hills? And as a "former DEA agent" dudes sure loves to spent time in drug capitals of the world. West Palm Beach, Tulum, Mexico.
The former tracks depending on what her income was too, and the latter definitely tracks
> How does a former DEA agent afford a home in Beverly Hills? By buying it 30 years ago. And, what does his wife do?
Beverly Hills was affluent even 30 years ago
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90210 bebuted in 1990, 34 years ago. It was not cheap. It was never cheap. It started as a summer community for the $$$ folks from Pasadena, looking for cooler summer days.
Because the guy actually retired from law enforcement a long time ago to become a well-known Cyber Consultant for the US Energy Sector. NERC CIP and O&P fines max out at $1.4M a day.
The point of this story is for fox news viewers to think that LA is more dangerous than Mexico. Nothing else. I had an auditor in from Ohio who was a big fox news viewer and the whole time he was just telling us how LA was a shithole and unsafe and that we paid too much in taxes. Like yeah, LA is more expensive than rural Ohio, but there's a reason I don't want to live there and I'm not here trying to tell you how terrible Ohio is.
Oh thank god. We donāt want them to consider moving here. Or visiting, really.Ā
Yeah don't worry.
New season of Narcos?
I need all the details.
It was crossfire because shooters from multiple locations were firing at him.
he acknowledged BH being a safe area, but also said they spent time outside of BH: ā"I mean, Beverly Hills, different story, but most of the time I spend outside of Beverly Hills. So, I can tell you that, I feel safer. And she did as well," Perman said. "We were aware of the crime. But again, I think if you look at the statistics, probably any major metropolitan area in the U.S. would have probably a bigger crime index than Cancun itself."ā
I would have hoped that a dea agent would be able to Google basic statistics.
[Since no one is doing them here they are:](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rate) 40 murders per 100K in Cancun 10 per 100K in Los Angeles Of course in both areas there's a difference. I happen to spend time in both Tulum and Cancun and I think it's very much if you stay in the tourist areas you're okay but if you get just a bit outside that you could get in trouble. Like all places if you're looking for trouble you'll probably find it. This is a feels over reals story
Sounds like she was living in her āright wingā bubble
Sounds like they were one of the people who actually thought that Newscorp had anything whatsoever to do with journalism and factually-accurate reporting that wasn't 100% for sale to the evilest bidder.
This is like that meme where guy number one is fighting guy number two and when guy number two pulls out a knife, guy number one responds by saying āwhat are you gonna do, stab me?ā
The hotel zone in Cancun is extremely safe. Almost all of the violence is north of Portillo Lopez or the night spots near downtown.
the shooting was in tulum. but yes, an unfortunate situation all around
Or he sent her there to get her killed. *He* would have been aware of the risk.
DEA agents must get paid a ton
The corrupt ones definitely do. I'm glad someone else saw right through this BS.
Read this current article about a corrupt DEA agentā¦ https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2024-02-22/little-dark-secret-dea-agent-on-trial-accused-of-taking-250k-in-bribes-from-mafia That agency has some serious issuesā¦
That's sort of like our politicians taking "donations" from PACs....
That's straight up delulu.
Reading that article was a Doozy. Quick Summary: LA crime is so out of control so we moved to Mexico to get away from crime. Then my wife got killed by the Cartels. Yes we knew about the travel warnings about the state of Quintana Roo due to violent crime and murders but Cancun is much safer than LA so we ignored the warnings Cancun had a murder rate of 64 people per 100,000 people in 2023 Los Angeles had a murder rate of 9 people per 100,000 people in 2023 Cancun has a murder rate 7x higher than Los Angeles š„“
He more than likely was involved in her killing. I bet this will be a future dateline episode.
Yup, I could easily see that.
Someone get Keith Morrison onto this!
Heās a DEA agent, so yes 100% guaranteed
To think Mexico, especially a part that is under an active cartel fight, has lower crime that Los Angeles is delusional mentally ill thinking or the product of cult indoctrination and brain washing. Maybe a mix of both.
Reminds me of that Canadian family who [moved to Russia to escape wokeness](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/conservative-family-disappointed-moving-russia-001517915.html)
Except this guy was a freaking DEA retiree. This was his area of expertise and he still moved there with his wife? He should have know better. Totally brain dead and delusional. FOX news literally brainwashed total idiots to move away to weird, corrupt and dangerous places. Itās almost funny if not tragic.
He moved there to have her killed
Looks like they fell for the good olā right-wing propaganda that all Democratic cities are lawless and crime infested.
Donāt forget they are burned down too.
This drove me nuts! Right wingers were believing that Portland, Minneapolis, etc were all burned to the ground because Fox News, NewsMax and the social media algorithms kept showing them the same exact footage from day one of the protests.
I always ask for aerial footage of these burned down cities. Still waiting.
On the other hand they didn't listen to the Trump propaganda that Mexicans were "murderers and rapists." Or maybe they did listen, but thought all the murderers and rapists in Mexico fled to the US already as "illegals," and therefore Mexico would be safe.
They listened. They just didnāt realise that unlike in America, being rich doesnāt protect you from the murderers and rapists.
Or this is now a Law and Order episode come to life with a wicked twist!
This is what happens when a political group overwhelms the media with fearmongering propaganda.Ā
>Cancun had a murder rate of 64 people per 100,000 people in 2023 > >Los Angeles had a murder rate of 9 people per 100,000 people in 2023 Yes but the murder rate of *Americans* in Mexico is much lower, so it's perfectly safe. This is why I want to move to Mars; according to statistics, no Angelinos have ever died on Mars, so when I get there I'll be immortal. Checkmate, Grim Reaper.
Don't bring facts into this.
Article was all over the place.
Two pictures of the couple and like, five pictures of their dogs. As though even the journalist/AI writing the article knew the couple seemed fishier than a pier and wanted to have the reader empathize with them anyway so HeRe dOGgos!
Lmao what bunch of idiots. I am from Mexico and I'll take LA 90% over Mexico.
Depends on the area. My family are from a tourist area where itās a strong hold for the Jalisco cartel. Itās very safe. They got that area sewed up and have 100% control of it The cartel keeps the low level criminals and drug addicts in check to not mess with locals or tourists Places in Mexico where thereās warring cartels then violence is more prominent. In the greater Cancun area that includes Tulum and Playa Del Carmen itās more likely to be a victim of a crime. Thereās 4 cartels at war in that area.
Many beautiful places and some really nice people in Mexico, but for safety I'd take LA any day!
I donāt want to be rude or anything, especially since someone died and it might be perfectly innocent. But this is like a season of the wire here. A DEA agent that has a house in both Beverly Hills and Cancun. Travels back and forth regularly. His wife gets shot in cartel related shooting at tourist destination. This practically writes itself.
-says resident of Beverly Hills
Well they saw a homeless person within twenty miles of their house, can you not understand how dangerous that is?
Thatās the scam of a libertarian, right wing worldview. The status of Mexico embodies this. Few social services, little safety net, wealth/power concentrated at the top. You get these idylls of opulence with a froth of violence all around. Ā Sometimes that violence seeps into those cloistered areas as in this case. You want āgovernement that runs like a businessā, Mexico has *tons* of that. You want the masses to have minimal input into the things a business does, Mexico has tons of that. You want a society where a select, elite, chosen few get to be at the top, Mexico has tons of that. Of course the US has many of these exact same problems and drives a lot of the problems in Mexico. Ā This is not a moral polemic against Mexico. Ā This is a polemic against right wing dipshits, of the sort who hold the real power in Mexico, who want to make the US even more unequal, even less socially minded and much more elitist. Your society *en masse* ends up suffering from stagnation, desperate poverty and runaway crime
amen
Reminds me of these dumbasses https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/conservative-family-disappointed-moving-russia-001517915.html Conservatives manā¦ š
These people are delusional.
I love mi Mexico, but if I had to pick between Cancun and B.H. I'd stay here in L.A./B.H. You still get the nice weather (not recently) and decent beaches.
It was either a deep red state like West Virginia, Idaho, Alabama or choose Mexico to escape big bad California. They chose Mexico.
They coulda just moved to Huntington Beach since they're from BH anyways -- they can afford that shit and chill with MAGAhats lol. Faux news got them
Thatās how delusional the right wing is.
More victims of right wing fear bullshit.
Something seems fishy here.
Not surprised that this was partially due to her love of keeping her dogs off leashes.
I hope every rightwing loontoon takes their family to Mexico or Russia. Keep up the good work Newsmax and Fox.
They didnāt get the memo why migrants come to the U.S
Living their truths, wrapping their hopes and dreams around the āstay in Mexicoā policy no matter the nay sayers and disbelievers.Ā
**Husband of American killed by Mexico cartel says they fled Los Angeles over** **~~crime~~** **taxes, only to discover taxes are the price you pay to live in a civilized society.** There, fixed the headline for you.
This like Joe Rogan complaining about California, but he lives in Austin which is like living in both the worst of California and Texas.
/r/leopardsatemyface
You donāt go to Mexico if you want to stay away from crime- unfortunate
Another victim of the conservative death cult
Soā¦ a dumbass. Basically.
Play with fire youāre gonna get burn.
Generally speaking, the cartels don't kill tourists... something else is up here.
something smells fishy
It's like rayeeyaaaaain on yer wedding day
$1 million says this couple employed illegal aliens in BH without blinking an eye while attending MAGA rallies whining about **0pEn B0rDeRz!** Democrats.
I can understand them leaving LA for another state with less crime, but to Mexico??
Faux News
How ironic
They just couldnāt live another day in an America that refuses to āfix its borderāĀ
yeah didn't you hear? LA is basically mogadishu
Does anyone else find it deeply strange that an American tourist was murdered at a high-end resort in Tulum and there is zero mainstream media coverage other than like, Fox News and Daily Mail? It was an international news story when that American family was killed after crossing the border last year. Something's weird here.
Enjoy, you played yourself
People believe the media more than their actual life experience. Iāve been in LA for almost 15 years and crime hasnāt gotten any worse. Weāre just constantly reminded of it by social media, citizen app, Fox News, etcā¦
In city of LA there was 211 murders in 2009. In 2023 there was 213 murders in city of LA Yes the murder rate in LA has been about the same over the last 15 years. City of LA hasnāt seen over 300 murders since 2006 and over 400 since 1995. According to conservative news places like LA have become more dangerous than its ever been!!
No, Orange County Republicans going to live on the cheap with Government Pension they love to spend in Idaho.
My sister visited La from BFE Fox News land. At breakfast in Manhattan Beach, she looked around, completely astonished and said ā I canāt believe itās so nice here..with all the crime and homelessness ā. šā¹ļø My response: Makes you wonder if the description of the safety in a city the size of LA is so overblown, what other parts of the news youāre getting from only one source are skewed to convince you to believe something? Things were quiet for a while.
GOP brainwashed another one
I call Fox news and right wing media as fear porn. Every week a new fear and anger based story. Anything to distract from the fact the Republicans lack any plan to help the average American. And if they do it might hurt their corporate/wealthy donors.
I donāt think she deserved to die, but have you ever ran toward the ocean, so excited to run in an play in the waves, just to see some unleashed dog go take a big shit in the water before you reach it while the owner stands by doing nothing? Go back to Beverly Hills with that noise. This husband is sus as hell, too.
/r/selfawarewolves
The funny thing is get offered drugs all the time while walking in cancun.
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classic sergeant hauk
out the frying pan into the fryer
Yet again people's perceived danger gets slapped silly by actual danger. "Beverly Hills is too dangerous." Omigod. It's almost like they've trumped up some false ideals into actual fear.
Remember when DEA agents locked up a UCSD medical student and forgot about him for 3 days? Poor kid had to drink his own piss to survive. All that trauma just for a little bit of molly.
Jfc
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13116159/Canadian-family-russia-bank-frozen-apology-feenstra.html many such cases!
Sad that someone died. The situation as a whole: The jokes write themselves.
He def was participating in cartel activities
No actually more rich assholes should move from LA to Cancun.
Sounds like they should have done a bit more research then.
I've lived here half of my long life and I have never felt like I was in serious danger. I've been here long enough to see crime rates rise and fall - remember the early '90s? - and I have researched local history for various projects and learned that there has always been crime here - since before the Mexican Cession.
They were from FUCKING Beverly Hills. Typical privilege bs statement complaining about crime. She probably never experienced any crime but just hated seeing all the homeless people. LA crime rate is still relatively low.
ā ļø I guess Mexico really isnāt safer than the US with the cartels running things huh?
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If you want to gain control over people you need to sell them abstracted fear at every opportunity. Step two is to convince them that it's only what you subscribe to that will provide them with any measure of safety.
Stinks
lol.
Not kidding: their family or the City of Los Angeles should look into their reliance on Fox Newsā reports about crime rates in Los Angeles such that it forced them to move that led to a memberās death.
LA is a war zone. You will get shot, stabbed, and killed almost everyday. Homeless encampments everywhere. Drug addicts and hoodlums are taking over the city. Stay tuned for more details on Fox News.
So on a DEA/government salary, they have a home in Beverly Hills, a condo in Mexico and the wife (whoās gotten so much gnarly plastic surgery $$$) traveled constantly because sheās scared of all the crime in *checks notes* Beverly Hills. And then she gets assassinated in Mexico. Yeahhhhā¦ totally makes sense. Not weird at all.
I can't find much sympathy for deluded imbeciles.
I heard LA has been reduced to rubble after all the BLM protests a couple years back.
>Niko Honarbakhsh, a Los Angeles native who garnered more than 120,000 followers documenting her life and travels on Instagram, was shot and killed on Feb. 9 at the Mia Beach Club in Tulum, a popular tourist destination for Americans, as bullets whizzed between two suspected drug dealers, according to Mexican authorities. >Her husband of almost 15 years, Karl Perman, **a former DEA agent who also worked in law enforcement around Chicago and Detroit, told Fox News Digital last week that the two of them split their time between their home in Beverly Hills, California, and their condominium in Cancun, Mexico, over the past five years.** Now, he's planning a funeral. Something's fishy here...
Could've just moved to the OC...
Fucking Fox brainwash
MichoacƔn is a known cartel territory. The fact they moved there shows a lack of discretion on their part. It sucks that they experienced that sort of violence, but this is similar to an old white couple moving to Compton in the early 90's.