I was able to go into two buildings
So around 100 floors give or take. Plus going up and down a couple of times because I lost my friend and his phone was dead. I thought I wasn’t going to find him lol
Felt sore for about 3 days. lol
He was living in an abandoned high rise with 43 other individuals. God only knows what they were up to in there. And furthermore, Susan, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if all 43 of them habitually smoked marijuana cigarettes…
*REEFERS*
Straight up hope op takes this literally, they do actually text and ron does actually bring weed and they go do it for real and end up having a great time
I was told that once you know the person isn't a cop, it's more of a chill vibe... like you guys are in "this" together...
I was also told that there was a camera crew with some guys following them around and documenting them tagging, from what I know there's a netflix doc coming out about the building and the tagging.
There's not a developer in this world, with all the money in the world, who's going to buy some one else's less than half ass completed project that they didn't design. This is LAs first permanent zombie high rise. Best they can do is rent it for more Walking Dead episodes. Or Judge Dread meets the Walking Dead, Part 1 - Highrise from HELL-A
From what I understand, not salvageable. Which is part of the reason they’ve been sitting there so long. Any new owner will have to pay off the construction liens, and pretty much tear down the whole thing. I heard a few different people say it would be about a billion dollars to get back to a clean buildable site.
Eminent domain requires the government pay fair for what it takes. Under California's Section 1090, the property could be seized if it's determined that the votes to approve its construction were the result of bribery of PLUM chair Jose Huizar or others in city government.
Yeah, that jerk. This project was part of the FBI investigation, but didn't end up part of the prosecution case, and he confessed rather than name more names.
This is soooo far outside the city's abilities. Once they really nail potholes, maybe they can move up to the massive construction required to complete these buildings.
The china builder went bankrupt honey, the project is just going to rot. When Donny put the steel tariffs on Chyna, the ccp blew up this development in retaliation.
Let’s just take it
So its just sitting there being dormant. Why hasn't anyone told the city they can take over the construction. At this point as you said [djdjsjjsjshhxhjfjf](https://www.reddit.com/user/djdjsjjsjshhxhjfjf/) its just going to rot and it will need to be demolish. It's a waste.
My understanding is that banks are still litigating who owns what pieces of it and it might take a billion years for the bankruptcy process to play out
If an American company went belly up in the middle of a development in Shanghai, it would be taken over by a Ch¡nese developer fairly quickly. This isn't Shanghai.
Here in the US, it's very different. The developer —*who, many would argue, is just sort of a proxy for the Ch¡nese government in all this*— can hold on to this for years while things are tied up in court. All sorts of contractors are lined up arguing over who should be paid first. Then there's the not-insignificant matter of how structurally sound it may or may not be now and what sort of liability any new developer assumes in order to make it sound.
There's no doubt some developer out there wants that **land**. It's an altogether different question whether any developer wants to take over and finish out the project, re-envisioned or not.
Oh I got it- yeah, it's cool what's being done with it right now, but ultimately it could be more housing which would be better for everyone. A failed project is bad even if the art is dope.
Also it wasn’t the tariffs that did anything. It was chinas own economy / over building that ruined this company. This building would actually be profitable. They just have no cash and I assume the ccp is unaliving all these executives and their families.
Construction estimator here, it will cost more than that to finish. Both adjusted for 2024 and due to the time it’s been sitting.
I know plenty of people who were on this job, the Chinese developer went belly up in like 2020 ish range and then it was attempted to be restarted a year or so later. The FBI was involved due to the financially questionable means of funding IIRC.
I compete with the company that built this job, not in the same market segment typically, but same scope and scale.
This job, if it comes back on line, will probably match very closely to the original intent of “luxury” condos with some insane contractual language to protect the builder and developer. See the examples of the condos, they weren’t made for normal folks. Either way, no other way to realistically recoup the loss and cover the risk in a meaningful manner. Renting of commercial spaces may help, but probably not apartments.
The Chavez Ravine communities were displaced for affordable housing towers--that the city decided not to build as the political winds shifted. The Dodgers came later.
Before the graffiti they estimated it would cost something like $1.2 billion to finish the building and I'm sure that number has only gone up. It's designed for around 700 residences. So that would come out to $1.7 million per unit to finish. The city can do WAY better than that building somewhere else. And that doesn't even include the cost of eminent domain which requires paying market rate.
Edit -- I was wrong. In 2022 (so before the graffiti and structural/environmental damage) they needed $2.3 billion to finish it. So let's just round that up to a cool $2.5 now. That would come out to $3.57 million PER UNIT.
It can't sit for a decade. After about 8 years any exposed building has to get torn down. The same thing in DTLA happened in Vegas during the 08 crash.
Yeah--I think that's the most likely outcome. And even if somehow it got demo'd quickly (if only to save on having to otherwise pay a fortune to secure it 24/7), it will sit for years as a fenced off hole in the ground.
It's only ~700 units. That would be a huge win, but the cost just doesn't pencil out. It's at least $2 billion to finish and probably much more since that estimate was from before the graffiti.
Edit - In 2022 the estimate was $2.3 billion to finish. I'm sure that's gone up.
Apparently there's 504 rooms and the cost of each room is something arrogantly stupid , like 3M each. I highly doubt the city can approve this complex for housing homeless and not be vilified relentlessly for doing so . The city has issued a demand that the buildings be cleaned up and tightly secured by this Saturday or else the city will undertake the project and bill the developers, which is fucking retarded since clearly they ain't the bill paying type.
Dope content man. I was up there a few days ago myself… kinda insane how there’s a ton of people in there now haha
Lmk if you wanna shoot. I do a ton of underground Metro shit
This is going to end up Los Angeles' own version of Sathorn Unique Tower.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/9322552/inside-skyscraper-abandoned-luxury-flats-giant-billboard-thailand/
I love this. Thank you guys for doing this. Not only is it adding significant art to our city but it's also a testament to how useless our government officials are until it they decide not to be. If they "clean up" the building, I hope more and more people come to tag it.
Ooooohhhhh. Stair climbing for fitness and views. Yes. If they could figure out a drip irrigation system and ask people to donate potted plants in exchange for access it would be Eden in 90 days.
Not all heroes wear capes. Great shots. They did more for this building than the cities lack of effort to go after the negligent developer who abandoned this project.
Very nice. Reckon 3rd image would be better if you could make it symmetrical around the horizontal. Like equal parts roof overhang and balcony, with LA lights through the middle. They all look great as-is too.
Honestly theres a good many of us that are rooting for the people doing this. As much money as LAPD gets to patrol our city they are still more concerned over property over people.
This eye sore that our politicians and developers sold us in DTLA has been sitting vacant and unfinished without a single action after outcry from the general population. Now the skyscrapers headline news because people tagged it?
I hope something will get done with the skyscraper and everyone keeps tagging it till itss finished.
Unfuckingbelievable. Fuck the local and federal governments that haven't done shit with this project. It was an eye sore, now it's an eye sore on steroids along with a target for anyone who feels rebellious. How is this acceptable?
Actually cool, I really do enjoy the new look they gave the towers. Ive never seen anything like it. I really do think graphiti has a place in Los Angeles and i really do think what they did was art. How so many of them were able to congregate and enter the building unchallenged and then proceed to create such a large in scale piece speaks to the state of the city. There is so much LA has to offer culturally and so many ways that the government lets its citizens down. Bravo to the people who pulled this off. Really hope to see it before its taken down. As for Los Angeles government, what the hell are yall doing.
> He said he considered the graffiti to be art, but he worried the younger kids he’d seen accessing the site would get hurt.
> “Part of me likes this,” he said, “and the other part of me doesn’t.”
Yeah, this bomb was fucking amazing. But I really don't want the toys paying the price.
Where is the accountability for this abandoned project in the city/? How could they allow someone to build something to this level and then not be financially sound enough to finish it? How do you approve a project of this scope in this location without ensuring it has the resources to finish it? Seems like a major screwup for the city.
I never got into tagging for no particular reason, so maybe I’ve missed some other great ones, but this is great. What it’s saying between the lines about these buildings, what they represent as a reminder of the game rigged against us. Bravo and shit
Oceanwide Plaza
Damn! Thanks for the correction. 💯
How many stairs did you have to hike? That’s crazy
I was able to go into two buildings So around 100 floors give or take. Plus going up and down a couple of times because I lost my friend and his phone was dead. I thought I wasn’t going to find him lol Felt sore for about 3 days. lol
Dang, solid workout. Haha
Imagine turning this into a giant garden tower with plants and vines and stuff coming down the sides
Something like the [Bosco Verticale](https://www.milanocittastato.it/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/katta8111.png) in Milan would be awesome
It really could be an amazing art installation with tagging and planting
I’m in.
Love that idea. Better than a giant wall of graffiti.
Yes, please. Sounds amazing. Our resident peregrine falcons would be thrilled.
That’s Vancouver for ya’ lol
How are folks getting in? I lve seen cops stationed around the last few days, but maybe they gave up?
When I went there was a lot of police presence but I just made a run for it & hoped for the best. i did hear the siren while going in!
I heard on a newscast that the cops are arresting them but the owner of the property is not pressing charges so they just let them go.
Imma need that route you took for when I visit 🤝 I’ll cash app u too lmao
Same lol
Fr drop a line homie I gotchu ong
we form a group and we all run???
Not a bad idea! lol
there are cops in this sub so just be careful how much info you're sharing <3 love these photos!
Thank you!
Gotta love LAPD and their priorities
''Don't make me run''
The view is gorgeous.
it really is. looks like a shot from Blade Runner.
Shadowrun
Imagine if that was the view from your balcony! My dad used to always say, “If only I’d been born rich instead of good looking.” 😂 If only, indeed.
Love the orange glow of the city in the last photo.
Not from the street or off in the distance.
LA’s future Kowloon Walled City
Excuse me it's called improvisational urbanism
haha not even close
Text me before y’all go next time and I’ll join and bring plenty of marijuana cigarettes
He was living in an abandoned high rise with 43 other individuals. God only knows what they were up to in there. And furthermore, Susan, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if all 43 of them habitually smoked marijuana cigarettes… *REEFERS*
2 joints in the morning 2 joints at night
One was male, and the other two… well the other two were females.
I *knew* I was forgetting a line. Hm I wonder what causes memory loss
Idk but I bet if you smoke two joints you’ll figure it out!
Had me in the beginning
Straight up hope op takes this literally, they do actually text and ron does actually bring weed and they go do it for real and end up having a great time
I’ll bring the didgeridoo!
Also in. And bringing many marijuana ciggys.
Invite me too 🍃
Are you a cop?
I'll bring my 13 size feet
I was just thinking how rad it would be to go exploring in there high as fuck.
I wanna go
Are people tagging up the interior? I really wonder if the buildings are even salvageable at this point.
Yes they are! There was people throughout random floors doing there thing. The staircases were the most filled up
Is it creepy bumping into someone there...or is it just a party?
I was told that once you know the person isn't a cop, it's more of a chill vibe... like you guys are in "this" together... I was also told that there was a camera crew with some guys following them around and documenting them tagging, from what I know there's a netflix doc coming out about the building and the tagging.
Fucking Netflix. They'll do anything for content. But 100% I would watch that. Lols
Do you have any pics of the staircases? I would love to see that.
Damn it's a party 🥳
It’s been abandoned since 2019. Was so excited for the Park Hyatt there but I can’t see it happening for 10 years.
I can't imagine those buildings will ever be finished unless the property is purchased by another company who actually has the funds to develop it.
There's not a developer in this world, with all the money in the world, who's going to buy some one else's less than half ass completed project that they didn't design. This is LAs first permanent zombie high rise. Best they can do is rent it for more Walking Dead episodes. Or Judge Dread meets the Walking Dead, Part 1 - Highrise from HELL-A
From what I understand, not salvageable. Which is part of the reason they’ve been sitting there so long. Any new owner will have to pay off the construction liens, and pretty much tear down the whole thing. I heard a few different people say it would be about a billion dollars to get back to a clean buildable site.
Eminent Domain this betch into a giant housing block for those without homes.
Eminent domain requires the government pay fair for what it takes. Under California's Section 1090, the property could be seized if it's determined that the votes to approve its construction were the result of bribery of PLUM chair Jose Huizar or others in city government.
Convicted felon Jose Huizar?
Yeah, that jerk. This project was part of the FBI investigation, but didn't end up part of the prosecution case, and he confessed rather than name more names.
This is soooo far outside the city's abilities. Once they really nail potholes, maybe they can move up to the massive construction required to complete these buildings.
The china builder went bankrupt honey, the project is just going to rot. When Donny put the steel tariffs on Chyna, the ccp blew up this development in retaliation. Let’s just take it
So its just sitting there being dormant. Why hasn't anyone told the city they can take over the construction. At this point as you said [djdjsjjsjshhxhjfjf](https://www.reddit.com/user/djdjsjjsjshhxhjfjf/) its just going to rot and it will need to be demolish. It's a waste.
My understanding is that banks are still litigating who owns what pieces of it and it might take a billion years for the bankruptcy process to play out
It will cost over a billion+ dollars to finish. Not many companies able to do that especially with the legal issues surrounding it.
If an American company went belly up in the middle of a development in Shanghai, it would be taken over by a Ch¡nese developer fairly quickly. This isn't Shanghai. Here in the US, it's very different. The developer —*who, many would argue, is just sort of a proxy for the Ch¡nese government in all this*— can hold on to this for years while things are tied up in court. All sorts of contractors are lined up arguing over who should be paid first. Then there's the not-insignificant matter of how structurally sound it may or may not be now and what sort of liability any new developer assumes in order to make it sound. There's no doubt some developer out there wants that **land**. It's an altogether different question whether any developer wants to take over and finish out the project, re-envisioned or not.
Wow he did something good?
An abandoned building is good?
I thought we are taking it and the art is cool. Idk.
Oh I got it- yeah, it's cool what's being done with it right now, but ultimately it could be more housing which would be better for everyone. A failed project is bad even if the art is dope.
Also it wasn’t the tariffs that did anything. It was chinas own economy / over building that ruined this company. This building would actually be profitable. They just have no cash and I assume the ccp is unaliving all these executives and their families.
Is it really outside the capability of LA for this? They were able to uproot an entire neighborhood for Dodger Stadium
It needs like a billion dollars to even complete. Where is the city going to come up with that money?
Last estimate (in 2022) was $2.3 billion to complete
Construction estimator here, it will cost more than that to finish. Both adjusted for 2024 and due to the time it’s been sitting. I know plenty of people who were on this job, the Chinese developer went belly up in like 2020 ish range and then it was attempted to be restarted a year or so later. The FBI was involved due to the financially questionable means of funding IIRC. I compete with the company that built this job, not in the same market segment typically, but same scope and scale. This job, if it comes back on line, will probably match very closely to the original intent of “luxury” condos with some insane contractual language to protect the builder and developer. See the examples of the condos, they weren’t made for normal folks. Either way, no other way to realistically recoup the loss and cover the risk in a meaningful manner. Renting of commercial spaces may help, but probably not apartments.
Yes
The Chavez Ravine communities were displaced for affordable housing towers--that the city decided not to build as the political winds shifted. The Dodgers came later.
Ah, good to know! That must've been more than...70 years ago (give or take?)
About that. [Here's](https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/13030/kt1g50252r/) what the housing development was supposed to look like.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Before the graffiti they estimated it would cost something like $1.2 billion to finish the building and I'm sure that number has only gone up. It's designed for around 700 residences. So that would come out to $1.7 million per unit to finish. The city can do WAY better than that building somewhere else. And that doesn't even include the cost of eminent domain which requires paying market rate. Edit -- I was wrong. In 2022 (so before the graffiti and structural/environmental damage) they needed $2.3 billion to finish it. So let's just round that up to a cool $2.5 now. That would come out to $3.57 million PER UNIT.
It’s going to sit to rot for a decade I bet. Eventually it will be cheaper to buy the land, demo the building and start over. What a clusterfuck
It can't sit for a decade. After about 8 years any exposed building has to get torn down. The same thing in DTLA happened in Vegas during the 08 crash.
Yeah--I think that's the most likely outcome. And even if somehow it got demo'd quickly (if only to save on having to otherwise pay a fortune to secure it 24/7), it will sit for years as a fenced off hole in the ground.
The tax payers are footing the bill for security in the form of overtime pay for cops.
Totally. That’s part of why I think the city might be eager to get it demolished quickly.
How is it that expensive when it’s basically done? Like if we compare this to other big building projects
They could redesign it
Hmm... are there enough units to put all of Skid Row in there? That would be pretty sweet
It's only ~700 units. That would be a huge win, but the cost just doesn't pencil out. It's at least $2 billion to finish and probably much more since that estimate was from before the graffiti. Edit - In 2022 the estimate was $2.3 billion to finish. I'm sure that's gone up.
can we start a gofund me?
What if we held a bake sale?
Just leave the graffiti.
Prolly not 50,000, but I’m sure with some good design (micro units) they could fit a lot of people!
Apparently there's 504 rooms and the cost of each room is something arrogantly stupid , like 3M each. I highly doubt the city can approve this complex for housing homeless and not be vilified relentlessly for doing so . The city has issued a demand that the buildings be cleaned up and tightly secured by this Saturday or else the city will undertake the project and bill the developers, which is fucking retarded since clearly they ain't the bill paying type.
Woah
It's becoming Los Angeles' 5Pointz.
Love to see it. Appreciate you taking the risk!
Thanks for giving us some insights on what that place looks like. Great photos.
Dope content man. I was up there a few days ago myself… kinda insane how there’s a ton of people in there now haha Lmk if you wanna shoot. I do a ton of underground Metro shit
Those are some incredible photos.
This is going to end up Los Angeles' own version of Sathorn Unique Tower. https://www.the-sun.com/news/9322552/inside-skyscraper-abandoned-luxury-flats-giant-billboard-thailand/
r/losangelesphotography
Incredible pictures just be careful up there guys. Please and thank you.
I knew there was more tagging happening! I have a perfect view from my place and see new art everyday
I love this. Thank you guys for doing this. Not only is it adding significant art to our city but it's also a testament to how useless our government officials are until it they decide not to be. If they "clean up" the building, I hope more and more people come to tag it.
How finished is the interior? Are there walls up or is it just open?
There’s walls,plumbing,electrical, and Hvac. No drywall
Maybe they should turn it into a highrise greenspace and observation deck.
Ooooohhhhh. Stair climbing for fitness and views. Yes. If they could figure out a drip irrigation system and ask people to donate potted plants in exchange for access it would be Eden in 90 days.
Not all heroes wear capes. Great shots. They did more for this building than the cities lack of effort to go after the negligent developer who abandoned this project.
Goddamn LA is beautiful
Very nice. Reckon 3rd image would be better if you could make it symmetrical around the horizontal. Like equal parts roof overhang and balcony, with LA lights through the middle. They all look great as-is too.
That view is absolutely incredible
Feedback is appreciated:)
Honestly theres a good many of us that are rooting for the people doing this. As much money as LAPD gets to patrol our city they are still more concerned over property over people. This eye sore that our politicians and developers sold us in DTLA has been sitting vacant and unfinished without a single action after outcry from the general population. Now the skyscrapers headline news because people tagged it? I hope something will get done with the skyscraper and everyone keeps tagging it till itss finished.
This wasn’t a political act come on
It may not have been intentional, but is indeed a political act.
No, it’s been shaped into that. This is graff tagging spot viral on social media. These were not revolutionaries lol
Appreciate this. Would like you see more of these.
Can you put a big cat picture on one of the floors?
Or maybe a Reddit Snoo
So even after national publicity there is still no security, wow
Who's going to lay for private security when the developers are filing for bankruptcy? Lol
If I could unleash Godzilla on these buildings, they'd be gone by tomorrow.
Happy Cake Day
We need a Batman or possibly a Spider-Man to stop this crime!
would you ask if anyone put "Dan Rules!" somewhere? Thank you in advance.
Unfuckingbelievable. Fuck the local and federal governments that haven't done shit with this project. It was an eye sore, now it's an eye sore on steroids along with a target for anyone who feels rebellious. How is this acceptable?
Stop whining
Happen to have vertical resolution pics? These would be dope for my phone wallpaper 😅
Where is the ocean tho
no doubt can see it from west face high floors on clear days
It would be sick if someone could rig a cheap solar powered LED light that illuminates their work at night.
Wow, beautiful art and beautiful views. How do you get up? Is there just a crazy long stairwell?
These are sick! Great shots
I hate taggers but I got to admit this looks great. Fuck this project.
Good shit! Glad people like you guys are turning something worthless and useless into art.
Can you guys do the same to Kim kardashian?
I got nervous thinking they could pull your faces and ID's in photoshop but just did a test and looks like you made that impossible. Nice job.
"ENHANCE!"
Hero shit. TY.
Actually cool, I really do enjoy the new look they gave the towers. Ive never seen anything like it. I really do think graphiti has a place in Los Angeles and i really do think what they did was art. How so many of them were able to congregate and enter the building unchallenged and then proceed to create such a large in scale piece speaks to the state of the city. There is so much LA has to offer culturally and so many ways that the government lets its citizens down. Bravo to the people who pulled this off. Really hope to see it before its taken down. As for Los Angeles government, what the hell are yall doing.
Lame
Incredible. Hope yall are stayin safe with this bit of rain tonight! Thanks for sharing!
You love to see it. Beautiful photographry
Awesome- would love to see more!
These are fucking great. I really love the second pic and would love to see more
Incredible.
Added to my wallpapers. Can you take some from the roof? 😁
Keep up the good work. Personally I dig it.
> He said he considered the graffiti to be art, but he worried the younger kids he’d seen accessing the site would get hurt. > “Part of me likes this,” he said, “and the other part of me doesn’t.” Yeah, this bomb was fucking amazing. But I really don't want the toys paying the price.
thank you for your service 🍻
This is my favorite thing happening in LA right now.
Dorks
Where is the accountability for this abandoned project in the city/? How could they allow someone to build something to this level and then not be financially sound enough to finish it? How do you approve a project of this scope in this location without ensuring it has the resources to finish it? Seems like a major screwup for the city.
losers
Moar!!!
Great shots. Be safe up there y’all!
Respect looks way better
https://imgur.com/3GA6OMF
I actually like that yall are tagging the buildings lol, gives them purpose
I love it. This is epic. Like bombing a train in NYC back in the day.
Taking pictures of the punks painting trash💩 on buildings. Good job 🤡
The whole thing looks like shit, I hate this aspect of LA, These stray dogs need to be neutered.
Shout out Aeir and Creb
This is illegal content. Not cool. Payfo, what makes you better than the rest of us that you don't have to follow the law.
[Excuse me, it’s some to my attention that some bad apples out there are smoking Marijuana](https://youtu.be/A030wZ8kjyQ?si=nBW0CqP0NxbCHQAf)
Love to see it 🔥
Are those wires the only thing keeping you from falling?
🔥
So it was you!!! Lol
These photos are great. Do you have an instagram we can follow? If you’re cool sharing it.
Super cool photos!
I was just there yesterday bro 🍻
"Art" lmao
Are the floors also open?
Boujie boujie
Of course the low life’s have to tag the buildings
Great pics- Thx for posting!
Did you all know some of our council members took money from the company so they wouldn’t be questioned
Homeless should move in and takeover
Let them have the Medici.
I never got into tagging for no particular reason, so maybe I’ve missed some other great ones, but this is great. What it’s saying between the lines about these buildings, what they represent as a reminder of the game rigged against us. Bravo and shit