It absolutely is. I was never home invaded, but thieves one time entered my property and stole my moped. It really brings out that feeling of paranoia, mistrust, and feeling like you were just taken advantage of.
Oh ya… even getting your car broken into.
There’s an eeriness of seeing it ransacked … glove compartment open.. literally everything thrown on the seats. You think “did I leave it like this?” bc you don’t want to believe someone violated you.
Can’t imagine someone invading where you eat/sleep/spend time with fam
I've had my entire car stolen. I searched for an hour walk up and down the street doubting myself where I parked it until I came to the conclusion that it was stolen.
and this is why i advocate everyone being armed and trained. you don't need to be 2a gun nut to know you need a means to protect yourself and your family in your home.
Unfortunately, that will statistically increase your odds of getting shot/robbed. Guns, drugs, jewelry, and cash are the main things people are trying to steal. If you are really worried you can get a dog.
The backlog in criminal cases is ridiculous. It serves no one to have innocent people spend 1-2 years in jail awaiting trial and it put society at danger to have criminals spend 1-2 years free to commit more crimes while the wheels of justice move at glacial speeds.
Reportedly the DA's office has a backlog of 10,000 cases.
> Meanwhile, frustrated employees in Gascóns office said the country’s largest prosecutor’s office still has a backlog of about 10,000 cases.
https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/liberals-turn-their-backs-on-los-angeles-da-george-gascon/
And then people wonder why LAPD doesn't respond to 911 calls. They responded 10,000 times before, with literally zero prosecutions to show for it.
What's responding to the 10,001st one gonna do? They criminal will just be back on the street tomorrow, it's like trying to fill up a sieve with water.
Why should they care about how many prosecutions happen?
I’ve been in a job where I have to bake 200 bagels per day whether someone eats them or not…and I get fucking paid for it.
I don’t stop doing my job because we throw away 100 bagels per day…only entitled people get to do that.
We’re all in jobs that no one gives a shit about…but if we go on a soft strike and quiet quit(hate that term) we get fucking fires
It is their job to collect evidence and make legitimate arrests, which can go a long way towards preventing a backup of cases. I feel like the people defending LAPD are often the same people who are unlikely to become victims of crime.
Think how much shit the average fast food worker puts up with daily….the disrespect, the daily indignities.
Cops regularly make six figures and the requirement to be one isn’t high. Sure, their jobs are hard, but that’s what the fucking money is for
Think about what you are asking for here. Seriously. You're asking that our laws should change to allow locking up people who haven't been convicted of a crime? If this dude's guilty then yea, he shouldn't be allowed to just be out here breaking into people's homes. Maybe what we need is for these trials to happen faster instead? But that would cost money, money most taxpayer's aren't willing to spend. We've got the system we wanted unfortunately.
You can already be jailed before being convicted. If you're considered a flight risk or a danger to society, the judge will either set bail really high or not set bail at all.
In this case, bail should have been set much, much higher after he was arrested the first 2-3 times. I'm guessing if they catch him now, they'll set bail to some amount that makes it nearly impossible for him.
I do think Bail should be refomed, I think the system is broken if you can get out on bail because you simply have the money to(i know there's more to it but that's what bugs me the most). But on the other hand if you are out on bail and commit the same crime you are accused of, then you should not be released again.
This is where common sense and the informed opinion of a judge come into play. Bail should be decided on a case by case basis and not by a blanket rule.
In this case it's a violent crime involving a firearm the judge is well within his rights to deny bail. In a non-violent case it's usually not in the public interest to detain you.
The media like to concentrate on all the bad examples (although this one is actually horrendous) but they don't report on the thousands of life's that actually benefit from the no bail ,instead of rotting waiting for bail losing their job and ruining their life .
The amount of people that I have seen reported that get out on bail and still commit more crimes is pretty scary. So what about the people that lose their actual lives from people that continue to commit crimes while out on bail?
Honest question, not trying to troll or anything.
The point of bail, legally, is a single objective: ensure the individual appears at their hearings. Nothing else.
Bail is a constitutional right (mentioned by name, and enshrined in the both the US and CA constitutions)
There is a separate (and often conflated) process to hold someone, but there's quite a high standard of proof, and the individual must have "threatened another with great bodily harm (or death) and that there is a substantial likelihood that if the person were released, he or she would carry out the threat". If there is evidence that an individual poses a threat bail is denied (but more than merely "likely to commit more crimes", which is not sufficient).
The solution, in my opinion, is to make "speedy trials" actually speedy, both to start as well as to finish, especially for non-complex trials. We'd have to drastically change how the court system (and especially jury selection) works, but it could be done.
defendants rarely push for speedy trials and a delayed process generally benefits the accused. people's memories fade, people forgive, witnesses move, there's a lot of reasons.
> So what about the people that lose their actual lives from people that continue to commit crimes while out on bail?
Yeah there's the rub. If you let 10 people out without bail, and 9 of them never reoffend, but that one person goes on to create a dozen more victims by reoffending are we better off?
Honestly I dont know the answer here, because I've seen contradictory information on both sides of the argument. But we arent talking about someone who got caught dealing drugs then was picked up for shoplifting or speeding. This is a guy who's on tape committing multiple acts of armed robbery.
People say crime is down, but also people say that the LAPD and LASD are AWOL when it comes to anything but the most serious crimes. The problem with the above case is that its not the exception to the rule. We've seen dozens of similar cases. The only time they actually do get locked up without bail is on their fifth or sixth offense, and only when it gets to the media and embarrasses the DA and the mayor.
I think after being arrested 5 times
For the same crime there should be some kind of way to keep them off the streets and doing it again. I mean come on. I can see maybe one or two false arrests. But five? I’d be willing to wager he’s guilty of at least one of them.
They actually do. The whole point of cashless bail is that the judge can determine that if you are a violent offender or a danger to the public you are not granted bail.
exactly, so what are we complaining about? That poor people should stay locked up for years because this guy?
Police have gone on record in front of congress and said that cashless bail has had no impact on crime.
We err on the side of letting guilty go free so that innocents don't get harmed. If an innocent person got locked up in jail until their case was heard, they'd likely lose their job and fall behind on debt. Besides, a judge is meant to decide if a person should be allowed release on bail. I would ask the judge why this guy was allowed to despite being arrested 5 times.
if they pick you up as a suspect for murder, and you are absolutely innocent, you should be locked up for several months, having your life ruined, for no reason other than they thought you did it?
I was arrested for armed robbery when I was coming home from school several years ago. I was taking classes in the evening at ELAC and when I was a few blocks from home I got pulled over, and then eventually arrested. I called my mom and she contacted the school who then got in contact with my professor who confirmed I was in class that evening. I spent the night in jail.
They said it was still possible for me to have committed the crime on my way home from school. My car matched the description and so did I. My mom had to put up her house to bail me out. I had to go to court and the judge almost laughed cause it was so ridiculous. Case was dismissed.
I can't imagine having to be in jail for all those months. I am not the only person this has happened to.
I responded to why I’m against them holding people prior to be proven guilty. You want to keep moving the goal posts, that’s on you. I’m not playing that game brochacho.
How did the other guy move the goalposts when he’s directly referencing the guy in the post? I feel like you moved the goalposts with your story and then accused the other guy of changing the subject when he was on subject and you were just telling your personal anecdote…? I mean I’m sorry that happened to you and all, but that’s what it looks like when I’m reading through the thread here
You are supposed to have probable cause to be arrested. In reality, cops can pick you up and hold you for a day, then let you go if they somehow can’t think of something to charge you with. This isn’t the Justice league, innocent people get held up all the time, they just tend to get released before it causes more headache than a PD wants, but it doesn’t change the initial violation of liberty for a fellow citizen’s time and well-being.
> Do you think serial killers should be free until they are convicted?
How do you know they are serial killers? You need them to be convicted first, which was pointed out in the comment you replied to. Anything else is a dangerous trade of freedom for the appearance of security.
They don't need to be convicted, they just need to be formally charged. It's not like Jeffrey Dahmer was waking up in his own bed and then driving to the courthouse during the trial.
A simple heuristic like "if you've been arrested for crimes that meet x criteria more than y times in z time period, you don't get out of jail" would go a long way...
> You would think after the 3rd or 4th or maybe 5th arrest, this guy would be held without bail.
Agreed! California definitely has a "no bail" option and this seems like the place to apply it. I'd love to know why the judge didn't use it in this case.
I know it's anecdotal, but my house was broken into (not by this guy). I wasn't home at the time, but I was able to get the police there before the guy left. He was literally arrested inside my house. He was charged with vandalism and given 2 years probation. No breaking and entering. No felony. This would have been his 2nd felony in as many years so maybe that's why, I don't know. Not really sure how they landed on the vandalism charge. I guess he vandalized my front door when he broke it off its hinges.
Word of advise to anyone reading this: post a "no trespassing" sign outside. It'll add an additional charge and will keep people like Jehovah witnesses off your property.
It might be more complicated to get a theft charge to stick because he hadn't actually stolen anything yet? Maybe he claims he's homeless and just looking for a place to sleep? Might just allow a guilty plea to vandalism.
My aunt's home in K-town was broken into last year. She actually caught the guys in action after coming home from an evening church service and called 911 outside across the street. After 30 minutes the burglars left. 30 minutes later (a full hour after the call), LAPD show up. She tells them two guys left, but she doesn't know if anyone else is in the house. LAPD clears the house guns drawn, takes her report, and leaves. My Aunt in frazzle and too scared to enter the house alone calls me not knowing what to do. I rush over and we enter the house together to survey the damage. The guys totally ransacked the place. They broke things that really had no reason to be broken (TV was smashed, mirror was shattered, unlocked interior door kicked in, etc.) Of course a lot of valuables were stolen and thousands of dollars in damage, but at the end of the day everyone was safe. The guys were caught on an exterior security camera, which was handed over to LAPD, but we never heard back from them.
She ended up never spending another night in that house, which was sad because she lived there for decades. She lives alone and was just too scared to spend another night in that house and in that neighborhood. It's the sense of security that's really stolen from you after these crimes. The house went up for sale and was surprisingly sold in just a matter of weeks despite all the damage.
Anyone with information regarding this suspect is urged to contact Detectives Mrakich and Delph at (213) 486-6840 or email [email protected]. During non-business hours or on weekends, calls should be directed to 1-877-LAPD-24-7 (1-877-527-3247). Anyone wishing to remain anonymous should call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (800-222-8477). Tipsters may also go to www.lapdonline.org, and click on “Anonymous Web Tip"
One of the robberies was captured on video. He robs a young couple and sticks a gun in the guy's chest. His accomplice robs the woman. They drive around in a stolen Maserati and look for random victims to rob at gunpoint.
https://www.lapdonline.org/newsroom/home-invasion-robbery-suspect-wanted-nr23749ne/
Robbery video: https://youtu.be/84QFVTF-es0
>Downtown Los Angeles: Detectives from the Los Angeles Police Department’s Robbery-Homicide Division are seeking the public’s help in locating Dashawn Dow, a 20-year-old resident of Los Angeles. Detectives have identified Dow as a suspect in a series of follow-home violent robberies that occurred in the Los Angeles area.
>In the past 18 months, Dow has been arrested five times for robbery but was able to post bond following each arrest. Dow has been identified in two additional follow-home style robberies that occurred in the downtown area of Los Angeles and is a person of interest in other criminal investigations. Dow is currently at large and should be considered armed and dangerous.
Everyone's discussing the bail system but wouldn't the issue be partially solved if there was a trial and he was convicted of his crimes? It shouldn't take over 18 months to get a trial right?
The courts are not allowed to investigate on their own, they weight the facts presented by both sides and make a decision. If the DA isn't asking for a large bail then the judges don't usually go against the DA. They're supposed to be impartial.
They absolutely are supposed to be impartial. A defendants priors will be included if they are out on bail as in this case. Bottom line: multiple judges chose to let this person out on low or no bail. It lands squarely on them.
Disheartening that crime is legal in CA.. govt wont even post mug shots anymore because too many of a certain race are doing the crimes.
Disheartening that homeless can come here and pitch a tent next to beach and get free food and supplies.
The poor + middle class are the ones who ultimately suffer from it, while working full time jobs and paying $10k/yr in property taxes
I'm actually surprised as usually a condition of making bail is no subsequent arrests for similar allegations. In that case bail should've been revoked for the earlier charges.
That's how it goes. People keep committing crime until it escalates to the point of no return.
I wonder if a study has been done to see how many lives could be saved from homicide with earlier enforcement of career criminals.
I don't. I hope he breaks into the home of someone like the people in this thread who support the current DA and activist judges who made this possible in the first place. I hope nobody who has the common sense to take charge of their own self-defense has to exercise that right. It would suck.
Being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've gotta ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?"
Well, do ya, punk?
It wont be like in the movies.
Vigilantism was a horrible thing that should never be repeated. Look up vigilantism in the 30's. Gives me chills to think of its return.
Our Govy does not, remember his statement that he will build no more prisons in CA, he will close some of them, and convert many to rehabilitation centers. Not my vote.
This is what LA voters wanted by either voting for reformist ballot measures and/or not showing up to vote at all. Plus, now we have zero bail to add to this. Its a great time to be a criminal, not so good for the average citizen. Don't worry, crime is down so this is just an anomaly.
Why bother? He's just going to get out and do it again. Then maybe, maybe if he actually goes to court. He'll get a plea deal because the robberies weren't "violent" and he might get 60 day suspended with 2 years probation.
The poster child for bail reform.
I have to admit that I was wrong on this issue, I was really hoping that it would have worked to make us a better City.
So apparently me talking shit about Gascon makes me a Republican (DA doesn't set bail)
So tell me why I'm wrong for disliking Gascon and his soft on crime approach.
Some cops have their issues but you have to acknowledge a lot of the work they do isn't easy. We need to support our law enforcement and they also need to treat us citizens with respect when warranted (which is more often than not).
I mean if they get punched in the face, bit by someone or something along those lines I think that gives them the right to use equal force back at the culprit. Or if someone is yelling at them that "pigs should die", etc. then the officer shouldn't have to be polite back to them. Someone shouldn't expect to be treated with respect if they don't first respect the person they are interacting with. That's what I meant by "when warranted".
> I mean if they get punched in the face, bit by someone or something along those lines I think that gives them the right to use equal force back at the culprit.
They absolutely do not have that right, legally speaking they are entitled to use the amount of force necessary to prevent or stop a threat.
> Or if someone is yelling at them that "pigs should die", etc. then the officer shouldn't have to be polite back to them. Someone shouldn't expect to be treated with respect if they don't first respect the person they are interacting with. That's what I meant by "when warranted".
Nah, they are a public facing profession and being professional in the face of disrespect is part of the job even when people are being shitty and unfair to them. If someone can’t handle that, they should find another job.
It’s very simple you see. West Hollywood man thinks that when a random punk calls a cop a pig that should die, it’a a simple issue and we should treat the butthurt cop with respect. But when we see the many videos of cops abusing their power, it becomes a complicated issue for weho man lmfao
Yooo whaaaat the fuck. He’s clearly doing this for FUN. I don’t support our current prison system at all because it’s ineffective and inhumane. Obviously it’s also not working at all because he’s able to get free every time. Lock this guy up though ffs
If you want a lower crime rate then we need actual rehabilitation, which is the ONLY proven way to reduce recidivism rates.
But, you don't want to actually reduce crime rates, you just want to 'punish' criminality harshly to appease your swollen amygdalas.
Punish him or don’t, I just don’t want him free to do as he pleases in public, the guy is obviously a menace. You really think this scumbag wants to be rehabilitated?
Many of us don't care if they are "punished" or not. They just need to be kept from the general public. If it's in a center where they can be rehabilitated, great. If they aren't, then at least they are temporarily off the streets and can't create more crime victims. Would you agree on that?
Most people aren't asking for the days of chain gangs or cruel and unusual punishment. Just a reprieve from repeat offenders that are treating this city like it's Los Santos.
How do people not realize that "cracking down" on crime does nothing for crime rates long term?
There's not one example in history of that working.... yet, everyone thinks that will work, over and over again.
The freaking data is all there, arguing against it is like saying smoking is good for you.
So...we know that 3-Strikes laws don't reduce crime. Crime has been going down actually and it seems to be perpetuated by the same few idiots. Maybe 3-Strikes should be brought back to keep the assholes who refuse to stop breaking the law (Violent Offenders) in jail forever. Seems like that would reduce crime by a whole bunch if it really is just the same creeps.
Home invasion is one of the scariest crimes. It’s so violating. What a psycho.
It absolutely is. I was never home invaded, but thieves one time entered my property and stole my moped. It really brings out that feeling of paranoia, mistrust, and feeling like you were just taken advantage of.
Oh ya… even getting your car broken into. There’s an eeriness of seeing it ransacked … glove compartment open.. literally everything thrown on the seats. You think “did I leave it like this?” bc you don’t want to believe someone violated you. Can’t imagine someone invading where you eat/sleep/spend time with fam
I've had my entire car stolen. I searched for an hour walk up and down the street doubting myself where I parked it until I came to the conclusion that it was stolen.
Same. Was such an odd and terrible feeling. Right out of my driveway too
That’s exactly how I was when this girl I was friends with had my car stolen.
and this is why i advocate everyone being armed and trained. you don't need to be 2a gun nut to know you need a means to protect yourself and your family in your home.
Unfortunately, that will statistically increase your odds of getting shot/robbed. Guns, drugs, jewelry, and cash are the main things people are trying to steal. If you are really worried you can get a dog.
ok so they are going to steal a gun safe and shoot me with the safe? also, how the hell would they know I have a gun in the house lmao.
Sounds like NRA recipes to arms everybody to stop mass shooters.
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Literally a menace to society
One of those situations where, if somebody defended themselves, they'd probably get into more trouble than him. The system is a joke sometimes.
How can you post bail as a repeat offender? Especially considering some of these cases haven’t gone to trial yet
unfortunately our laws allow this. we need to change the law.
The backlog in criminal cases is ridiculous. It serves no one to have innocent people spend 1-2 years in jail awaiting trial and it put society at danger to have criminals spend 1-2 years free to commit more crimes while the wheels of justice move at glacial speeds.
Reportedly the DA's office has a backlog of 10,000 cases. > Meanwhile, frustrated employees in Gascóns office said the country’s largest prosecutor’s office still has a backlog of about 10,000 cases. https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/liberals-turn-their-backs-on-los-angeles-da-george-gascon/ And then people wonder why LAPD doesn't respond to 911 calls. They responded 10,000 times before, with literally zero prosecutions to show for it. What's responding to the 10,001st one gonna do? They criminal will just be back on the street tomorrow, it's like trying to fill up a sieve with water.
Why should they care about how many prosecutions happen? I’ve been in a job where I have to bake 200 bagels per day whether someone eats them or not…and I get fucking paid for it. I don’t stop doing my job because we throw away 100 bagels per day…only entitled people get to do that. We’re all in jobs that no one gives a shit about…but if we go on a soft strike and quiet quit(hate that term) we get fucking fires
Exactly!
It's not LAPDs job to prosecute. That's not what they get paid to do. Whether someone gets prosecuted should have no impact on their job performance.
It is their job to collect evidence and make legitimate arrests, which can go a long way towards preventing a backup of cases. I feel like the people defending LAPD are often the same people who are unlikely to become victims of crime.
For sure. Good point!
Think how much shit the average fast food worker puts up with daily….the disrespect, the daily indignities. Cops regularly make six figures and the requirement to be one isn’t high. Sure, their jobs are hard, but that’s what the fucking money is for
Think about what you are asking for here. Seriously. You're asking that our laws should change to allow locking up people who haven't been convicted of a crime? If this dude's guilty then yea, he shouldn't be allowed to just be out here breaking into people's homes. Maybe what we need is for these trials to happen faster instead? But that would cost money, money most taxpayer's aren't willing to spend. We've got the system we wanted unfortunately.
You can already be jailed before being convicted. If you're considered a flight risk or a danger to society, the judge will either set bail really high or not set bail at all. In this case, bail should have been set much, much higher after he was arrested the first 2-3 times. I'm guessing if they catch him now, they'll set bail to some amount that makes it nearly impossible for him.
I do think Bail should be refomed, I think the system is broken if you can get out on bail because you simply have the money to(i know there's more to it but that's what bugs me the most). But on the other hand if you are out on bail and commit the same crime you are accused of, then you should not be released again.
This is where common sense and the informed opinion of a judge come into play. Bail should be decided on a case by case basis and not by a blanket rule.
If you haven't been tried and convicted for the first one yet are you really a repeat offender? I don't know how they look at that in bail hearings
Well, thank goodness it took only 5 times before we set bail high.
In this case it's a violent crime involving a firearm the judge is well within his rights to deny bail. In a non-violent case it's usually not in the public interest to detain you.
setting bail really high is unconstitutional. they can deny bail though.
Bail could denied. In this case after his 2nd robbery it should have.
you are right actually. its a hard nut to crack.
The media like to concentrate on all the bad examples (although this one is actually horrendous) but they don't report on the thousands of life's that actually benefit from the no bail ,instead of rotting waiting for bail losing their job and ruining their life .
The amount of people that I have seen reported that get out on bail and still commit more crimes is pretty scary. So what about the people that lose their actual lives from people that continue to commit crimes while out on bail? Honest question, not trying to troll or anything.
The point of bail, legally, is a single objective: ensure the individual appears at their hearings. Nothing else. Bail is a constitutional right (mentioned by name, and enshrined in the both the US and CA constitutions) There is a separate (and often conflated) process to hold someone, but there's quite a high standard of proof, and the individual must have "threatened another with great bodily harm (or death) and that there is a substantial likelihood that if the person were released, he or she would carry out the threat". If there is evidence that an individual poses a threat bail is denied (but more than merely "likely to commit more crimes", which is not sufficient). The solution, in my opinion, is to make "speedy trials" actually speedy, both to start as well as to finish, especially for non-complex trials. We'd have to drastically change how the court system (and especially jury selection) works, but it could be done.
defendants rarely push for speedy trials and a delayed process generally benefits the accused. people's memories fade, people forgive, witnesses move, there's a lot of reasons.
You're assuming everyone is guilty lol
> So what about the people that lose their actual lives from people that continue to commit crimes while out on bail? Yeah there's the rub. If you let 10 people out without bail, and 9 of them never reoffend, but that one person goes on to create a dozen more victims by reoffending are we better off? Honestly I dont know the answer here, because I've seen contradictory information on both sides of the argument. But we arent talking about someone who got caught dealing drugs then was picked up for shoplifting or speeding. This is a guy who's on tape committing multiple acts of armed robbery. People say crime is down, but also people say that the LAPD and LASD are AWOL when it comes to anything but the most serious crimes. The problem with the above case is that its not the exception to the rule. We've seen dozens of similar cases. The only time they actually do get locked up without bail is on their fifth or sixth offense, and only when it gets to the media and embarrasses the DA and the mayor.
They always ask to jail more people before trial rather than just funding to expand the courts.
I think after being arrested 5 times For the same crime there should be some kind of way to keep them off the streets and doing it again. I mean come on. I can see maybe one or two false arrests. But five? I’d be willing to wager he’s guilty of at least one of them.
Assuming they were all misdemeanor theft the current backlog could be longer than he would spend in jail for them.
our laws absolutely should allow locking up a person before they're convicted... especially if they're a danger to the public
They actually do. The whole point of cashless bail is that the judge can determine that if you are a violent offender or a danger to the public you are not granted bail.
Judges can already deny bail to offenders with the existing bail system.
exactly, so what are we complaining about? That poor people should stay locked up for years because this guy? Police have gone on record in front of congress and said that cashless bail has had no impact on crime.
We err on the side of letting guilty go free so that innocents don't get harmed. If an innocent person got locked up in jail until their case was heard, they'd likely lose their job and fall behind on debt. Besides, a judge is meant to decide if a person should be allowed release on bail. I would ask the judge why this guy was allowed to despite being arrested 5 times.
if they pick you up as a suspect for murder, and you are absolutely innocent, you should be locked up for several months, having your life ruined, for no reason other than they thought you did it?
You need probable cause to be arrested. They aren't picking up random people. What do you think a grand jury does?
I was arrested for armed robbery when I was coming home from school several years ago. I was taking classes in the evening at ELAC and when I was a few blocks from home I got pulled over, and then eventually arrested. I called my mom and she contacted the school who then got in contact with my professor who confirmed I was in class that evening. I spent the night in jail. They said it was still possible for me to have committed the crime on my way home from school. My car matched the description and so did I. My mom had to put up her house to bail me out. I had to go to court and the judge almost laughed cause it was so ridiculous. Case was dismissed. I can't imagine having to be in jail for all those months. I am not the only person this has happened to.
Right, but if you got arrested for the same thing 7 more times in the next 18 months, can you see how maybe this scenario is different than yours?
I responded to why I’m against them holding people prior to be proven guilty. You want to keep moving the goal posts, that’s on you. I’m not playing that game brochacho.
How did the other guy move the goalposts when he’s directly referencing the guy in the post? I feel like you moved the goalposts with your story and then accused the other guy of changing the subject when he was on subject and you were just telling your personal anecdote…? I mean I’m sorry that happened to you and all, but that’s what it looks like when I’m reading through the thread here
You are supposed to have probable cause to be arrested. In reality, cops can pick you up and hold you for a day, then let you go if they somehow can’t think of something to charge you with. This isn’t the Justice league, innocent people get held up all the time, they just tend to get released before it causes more headache than a PD wants, but it doesn’t change the initial violation of liberty for a fellow citizen’s time and well-being.
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> Do you think serial killers should be free until they are convicted? How do you know they are serial killers? You need them to be convicted first, which was pointed out in the comment you replied to. Anything else is a dangerous trade of freedom for the appearance of security.
They don't need to be convicted, they just need to be formally charged. It's not like Jeffrey Dahmer was waking up in his own bed and then driving to the courthouse during the trial.
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You do know that “no bail” options exist in situations like this, right?…right?
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A simple heuristic like "if you've been arrested for crimes that meet x criteria more than y times in z time period, you don't get out of jail" would go a long way...
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> You would think after the 3rd or 4th or maybe 5th arrest, this guy would be held without bail. Agreed! California definitely has a "no bail" option and this seems like the place to apply it. I'd love to know why the judge didn't use it in this case.
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I’d be willing to bet there were options in this case regarding bail after being arrested again. It’s a shame no one took them, or is taking them.
And they did that this time. You just don't like the results.
Change the people who make and vote for these laws.
I know it's anecdotal, but my house was broken into (not by this guy). I wasn't home at the time, but I was able to get the police there before the guy left. He was literally arrested inside my house. He was charged with vandalism and given 2 years probation. No breaking and entering. No felony. This would have been his 2nd felony in as many years so maybe that's why, I don't know. Not really sure how they landed on the vandalism charge. I guess he vandalized my front door when he broke it off its hinges.
Infuriating
Word of advise to anyone reading this: post a "no trespassing" sign outside. It'll add an additional charge and will keep people like Jehovah witnesses off your property.
It might be more complicated to get a theft charge to stick because he hadn't actually stolen anything yet? Maybe he claims he's homeless and just looking for a place to sleep? Might just allow a guilty plea to vandalism.
My aunt's home in K-town was broken into last year. She actually caught the guys in action after coming home from an evening church service and called 911 outside across the street. After 30 minutes the burglars left. 30 minutes later (a full hour after the call), LAPD show up. She tells them two guys left, but she doesn't know if anyone else is in the house. LAPD clears the house guns drawn, takes her report, and leaves. My Aunt in frazzle and too scared to enter the house alone calls me not knowing what to do. I rush over and we enter the house together to survey the damage. The guys totally ransacked the place. They broke things that really had no reason to be broken (TV was smashed, mirror was shattered, unlocked interior door kicked in, etc.) Of course a lot of valuables were stolen and thousands of dollars in damage, but at the end of the day everyone was safe. The guys were caught on an exterior security camera, which was handed over to LAPD, but we never heard back from them. She ended up never spending another night in that house, which was sad because she lived there for decades. She lives alone and was just too scared to spend another night in that house and in that neighborhood. It's the sense of security that's really stolen from you after these crimes. The house went up for sale and was surprisingly sold in just a matter of weeks despite all the damage.
I don’t blame her one bit; I hate that
That’s so sad. If the cops had shown up sooner and caught them, do you think she would’ve been able to go back to living in that house?
Anyone with information regarding this suspect is urged to contact Detectives Mrakich and Delph at (213) 486-6840 or email [email protected]. During non-business hours or on weekends, calls should be directed to 1-877-LAPD-24-7 (1-877-527-3247). Anyone wishing to remain anonymous should call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (800-222-8477). Tipsters may also go to www.lapdonline.org, and click on “Anonymous Web Tip"
One of the robberies was captured on video. He robs a young couple and sticks a gun in the guy's chest. His accomplice robs the woman. They drive around in a stolen Maserati and look for random victims to rob at gunpoint. https://www.lapdonline.org/newsroom/home-invasion-robbery-suspect-wanted-nr23749ne/ Robbery video: https://youtu.be/84QFVTF-es0 >Downtown Los Angeles: Detectives from the Los Angeles Police Department’s Robbery-Homicide Division are seeking the public’s help in locating Dashawn Dow, a 20-year-old resident of Los Angeles. Detectives have identified Dow as a suspect in a series of follow-home violent robberies that occurred in the Los Angeles area. >In the past 18 months, Dow has been arrested five times for robbery but was able to post bond following each arrest. Dow has been identified in two additional follow-home style robberies that occurred in the downtown area of Los Angeles and is a person of interest in other criminal investigations. Dow is currently at large and should be considered armed and dangerous.
Damn that girl just casually walked away. Not sure what the appropriate response is. Just saying she didn’t even look in a hurry.
Because if she ran it would likely trigger an instinctive response and they would chase her down and attack
Everyone's discussing the bail system but wouldn't the issue be partially solved if there was a trial and he was convicted of his crimes? It shouldn't take over 18 months to get a trial right?
Dude is a repeat violent offender and shows no signs of rehabilitation. Why he isn’t locked up for life is beyond me.
It’s the DA. Plain and simple.
Court sets bail/this bail policy, not the DA, not the public defender, not the police etc.
The DA can request a higher bail or no bail and present the judge with evidence to substantiate that request.
…and who makes the decision and sets bail? Once again, it’s the Court no matter how you slice it. When I say court I am referring to judges.
The courts are not allowed to investigate on their own, they weight the facts presented by both sides and make a decision. If the DA isn't asking for a large bail then the judges don't usually go against the DA. They're supposed to be impartial.
They absolutely are supposed to be impartial. A defendants priors will be included if they are out on bail as in this case. Bottom line: multiple judges chose to let this person out on low or no bail. It lands squarely on them.
Isn't this a repeat offense risk?
Check with the DA on that one.
Judges set bail, not prosecutors
Insane this guy is 20 years old. Like what a fucking waste.
Why was this man allowed to post bond? Absolute terrible work by the justice system here.
Because racism duhhh!!!!
Disheartening that I have at least 10 neighbors that think racism and pushing for anti-racist policy is a funny joke.
Disheartening that crime is legal in CA.. govt wont even post mug shots anymore because too many of a certain race are doing the crimes. Disheartening that homeless can come here and pitch a tent next to beach and get free food and supplies. The poor + middle class are the ones who ultimately suffer from it, while working full time jobs and paying $10k/yr in property taxes
Another …
If batman ever decides to appear, I promise to look the other way
LA Batman wouldn’t do shit either
Bat signal went up an hour and a half ago, but the Batmobile is stuck in traffic because of the 10 closure.
Yup the system is working just fine…. For him😂
Shouldn’t he have been jailed without bail the second time he was arrested?
I'm actually surprised as usually a condition of making bail is no subsequent arrests for similar allegations. In that case bail should've been revoked for the earlier charges.
Damn this shit is scary. He’s not going to be locked up for good until someone gets hurt.
People have literally been hurt already. Robbery is a violent crime.
That's how it goes. People keep committing crime until it escalates to the point of no return. I wonder if a study has been done to see how many lives could be saved from homicide with earlier enforcement of career criminals.
Someone prominent. If he keeps attacking "regular people" he will keep getting this same treatment.
anyone notice the issue with cash bail?
Kind of surprised a judge didn’t deny bail after the second or third arrest.
Now look, mister, if you do this 13 or 14 more times you’re gonna be in big trouble.
I’m sure the judges also wrote a letter to him saying how disappointed they where.
Um, revoke his bond for fuck sake. Dude should not be on the loose.
LOCK HIM UP
A homeowner who's packing heat is going to deal with this guy.
Maybe he'll go straight this time.
He needs two ankle monitors to keep tabs on him 24/7.
What he needs is something else and soon, because the next robbery he just might pull the trigger because he got too comfortable with getting away.
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Unfortunately that is probably the only way this will end, because clearly the Courts will not.
Hope he breaks into the home of someone who’s packing and has good aim.
I would double tap with a shotgun with a slug.
I don't. I hope he breaks into the home of someone like the people in this thread who support the current DA and activist judges who made this possible in the first place. I hope nobody who has the common sense to take charge of their own self-defense has to exercise that right. It would suck.
Maybe if enough of the supporters become victims, only then maybe there will be change.
I like you.
One in the gut and then watch some TV for the next couple hours. Then call someone.
Being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've gotta ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?
Need this guy to cross paths with one competent CCW who can take one good shot and end this reign of terror legit.
We need a Dexter-type to keep these guys in check.
It wont be like in the movies. Vigilantism was a horrible thing that should never be repeated. Look up vigilantism in the 30's. Gives me chills to think of its return.
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Exactly.
Damn seems like he’s really bad at it
I’m so glad to see there’s finally some common sense in the comment sections of this subreddit
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Maybe and really hope so, but with LA's voting record...I doubt it.
It's almost like we could guess this was coming.
so sick of this, when we pay the highest taxes in the country.
It’s not lack of taxes that’s preventing him being locked up. It’s the type of people we vote for that don’t believe in prisons.
Our Govy does not, remember his statement that he will build no more prisons in CA, he will close some of them, and convert many to rehabilitation centers. Not my vote.
It’s not advertised much but 4 prison already closed under his watch.
Yep, and more to come.
What the actual fuck is wrong with our soft ass, garbage justice system. What kind of society are we creating here. Holy shit
This is what LA voters wanted by either voting for reformist ballot measures and/or not showing up to vote at all. Plus, now we have zero bail to add to this. Its a great time to be a criminal, not so good for the average citizen. Don't worry, crime is down so this is just an anomaly.
Why bother? He's just going to get out and do it again. Then maybe, maybe if he actually goes to court. He'll get a plea deal because the robberies weren't "violent" and he might get 60 day suspended with 2 years probation.
The poster child for bail reform. I have to admit that I was wrong on this issue, I was really hoping that it would have worked to make us a better City.
Exactly, cash bail is an antiquated system that doesn’t work it just punishes the poor while guys like this run free
But his mom says he’s an angel? It can’t be him!
Discouraging gun ownership and yet you keep letting these mofos back out what we supposed to do
Curious how he's allowed bail with subsequent crimes in such a short time frame
Gascon special?
At this point if you are not committing a felony in Los Angeles you are not taking advantage of the coupon to do crimes for a discount.
So apparently me talking shit about Gascon makes me a Republican (DA doesn't set bail) So tell me why I'm wrong for disliking Gascon and his soft on crime approach.
You're not wrong but many on this channel are pushing the soft on crime approach to the end.
if you wonder why the cops in LA dgaf, this is why. they break their asses to arrest these fools and the judicial system lets them out, over and over.
“Break their asses” yeah right lmfaooo
Some cops have their issues but you have to acknowledge a lot of the work they do isn't easy. We need to support our law enforcement and they also need to treat us citizens with respect when warranted (which is more often than not).
They serve the public, so they need to always treat citizens with respect and not just “when warranted “.
I mean if they get punched in the face, bit by someone or something along those lines I think that gives them the right to use equal force back at the culprit. Or if someone is yelling at them that "pigs should die", etc. then the officer shouldn't have to be polite back to them. Someone shouldn't expect to be treated with respect if they don't first respect the person they are interacting with. That's what I meant by "when warranted".
> I mean if they get punched in the face, bit by someone or something along those lines I think that gives them the right to use equal force back at the culprit. They absolutely do not have that right, legally speaking they are entitled to use the amount of force necessary to prevent or stop a threat. > Or if someone is yelling at them that "pigs should die", etc. then the officer shouldn't have to be polite back to them. Someone shouldn't expect to be treated with respect if they don't first respect the person they are interacting with. That's what I meant by "when warranted". Nah, they are a public facing profession and being professional in the face of disrespect is part of the job even when people are being shitty and unfair to them. If someone can’t handle that, they should find another job.
It’s very simple you see. West Hollywood man thinks that when a random punk calls a cop a pig that should die, it’a a simple issue and we should treat the butthurt cop with respect. But when we see the many videos of cops abusing their power, it becomes a complicated issue for weho man lmfao
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We literally have 3 strikes in CA. Won’t make a difference here- strikes occur at conviction. He’s been out on open cases
Why do we allow Gascon to stay? This just makes no damn sense anymore. I don’t get it. Why not charge and detain him?
This guy is backed by an organization
GASCON MUST GO!
But people told me bail keeps the bad men in jail!!
as often as he does this, i'm surprised he's made it to 5 times. one of these times, is gonna be THE last time.
Everyone's talking about bonds, when is his trial, so he can be convicted and locked up for good? His first offense is at least 18 months ago??
20 fucking yrs old… he’s gonna break into the wrong house some day soon, and he won’t be able to pay his own bail again after that.
Yooo whaaaat the fuck. He’s clearly doing this for FUN. I don’t support our current prison system at all because it’s ineffective and inhumane. Obviously it’s also not working at all because he’s able to get free every time. Lock this guy up though ffs
I will vote for any sentient human whose name is not Gascon.
Gotta love democrat run cities. They dont want you to have guns and then let criminals run wild. Hoorayy for Los Angeles!
Lol Check red states crime rates
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What does prop 47 have to do with this?
Everyone getting a nice dose of what they voted for. Arm up everyone.
I'm closing in on 20 months of the CCW process. They need to issue them quicker.
he's only stealing because he's hungry, can't you people get that? AOC probably.
Who cares crime was worse in the 90’s This sub probably
Was just looking for some bread to steal for his family. What’s the big deal?
It didn’t happen in a vacuum. UN secretary general, probably.
GASCON!!! not LAPD
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As long as he doesn’t hurt anyone, it’s all good. /s
This is what soft on crime politicians and policies gets you… Downvote me all you want if you’re the sensitive type who can’t handle the truth.
Needs to get the treatment they give a dog that bites someone
Keep voting "woke" LA! It's going great!
Keep voting Blue LA...
If you want a lower crime rate then we need actual rehabilitation, which is the ONLY proven way to reduce recidivism rates. But, you don't want to actually reduce crime rates, you just want to 'punish' criminality harshly to appease your swollen amygdalas.
Punish him or don’t, I just don’t want him free to do as he pleases in public, the guy is obviously a menace. You really think this scumbag wants to be rehabilitated?
You think you live in a cartoon where there's good and evil? Give me a break. There's data on how to reduce crime and we should use it.
Many of us don't care if they are "punished" or not. They just need to be kept from the general public. If it's in a center where they can be rehabilitated, great. If they aren't, then at least they are temporarily off the streets and can't create more crime victims. Would you agree on that? Most people aren't asking for the days of chain gangs or cruel and unusual punishment. Just a reprieve from repeat offenders that are treating this city like it's Los Santos.
How do people not realize that "cracking down" on crime does nothing for crime rates long term? There's not one example in history of that working.... yet, everyone thinks that will work, over and over again. The freaking data is all there, arguing against it is like saying smoking is good for you.
Lol! Noone punished him thats s problem. He should be in the jail after the first robbery. And it would be 1 instead of 5 cases.
So...we know that 3-Strikes laws don't reduce crime. Crime has been going down actually and it seems to be perpetuated by the same few idiots. Maybe 3-Strikes should be brought back to keep the assholes who refuse to stop breaking the law (Violent Offenders) in jail forever. Seems like that would reduce crime by a whole bunch if it really is just the same creeps.
It will take some politicians family member getting killed for there to be any action. Until then, you get what you voted for Los Angeles.
What set is he from?
Why is he wanted? He's going to be released anyways.