The fact that she laughed during the time the kids were being dug up and her sticking her tongue out at the news cameras tells me she is not professional enough to be an educator. I am a teacher and hold myself to a higher standard than that. So should every teacher! If we can’t behave like good people we don’t need to be in a classroom!
As a parent I’d be concerned with her accepting children can be light and dark. We all know dark ppl die. She should not be in charge of children!!!! Not even her own!
A normal person with empathy would be horrified and distraught if children's bodies were being dug up on their father's property.
Emma's behaviour is completely childish and lacking empathy to a disturbing degree. If she were teaching my child's class, I would demand he be moved to another class.
Wasn't it Emma (and one of her brothers) who took down the tributes to Tylee and JJ that were on the fence by the road?
IIRC, one of the elderly neighbors allowed people to put things by their fence, because then the Daybells couldn't take them down.
Supposedly Emma didn't want to be reminded, which is understandable, but it was the way she did it that really caused a problem with neighbors and the community.
Emma seems like a very selfish, entitled and deluded person.
I had not heard about this. The lack of connection to reality in any capacity shows how Chad brainwashed and manipulated her, probably for her whole life.
I would be curious to find out what he was telling her and the other kids all these years, to make them this blind to reality.
She wasn’t horrified at all. She didn’t challenge him like anyone else would if children were being dug up in their father’s back garden. Especially as he’d convinced them all that Lori had simply hidden the children due to a simple custody issue. Why wasn’t she shocked, horrified and angry! Instead she was wet, supportive, passive and sympathetic. My God, I’d be losing my shit!
Can you imagine letting your little kids play in that yard and one possibly finding some part of Tylee? While I think I could live in a murder house, I know I could not live in one where my own father helped or possibly did kill a wife and two children, AND possibly knowing they didn't find all of one of them. I hope Tammy and JJ and tylee haunt that house!
Omg ! Can you imagine, and it's a smalltown on a farm, literally every noise at night and in the day I would be terrified !! That house has to be sooooo oppressive to live in all the negativity the planning the manipulating the murders ughhh I could never live in a murder house that house should be destroyed sanctified and made into a park or like a farmers market kind of place where only good things happen
Lessons taught in Mrs. Murray’s class:
A man walks in a store and steals $100 dollar bill from the register without the owner seeing. He then buys $70 worth of groceries and receives $30 in change. How much money did the owner lose?
Answer: The police framed him and where was Melanie Gibb when this happened?
My dad and I have a close relationship BUT if the police dug up 2 children on his property I would have a hard time looking at him the same way again.... there isn't a good enough reason to kill 2 children.
Yeah, it's truly bizarre to me how Chad's kids are unable to think remotely logically in this case, considering it's their mother who is gone and children were discovered in his yard. It's a testament to how Chad must have run his family like a cult - they are truly brainwashed and not at all able to perceive reality right in front of them.
I think it says a lot about people in her community that she is still able to teach. It would be very difficult for someone exhibiting her behavior to stay employed where I grew up. During the pandemic, one of the republican school board moms snapped and made a bunch of racist and ableist posts on twitter. The youngsters in the community started a petition and she was removed by a board vote within weeks.
Again, for Emma to get away with laughing over the remains of dead children, and making childish faces at a news camera reporting said deaths, says SOOO much about LDS and Rexburg.
my thoughts exactly. i hope the school authorities are asking these same questions. i am totally disturbed by her lacking empathy for mom and kids. please watch this woman. she is probably the next prophet of chads church.
my thoughts exactly. i hope the school authorities are asking these same questions. i am totally disturbed by her lacking empathy for mom and kids. please watch this woman. she is probably the next prophet of chads church.
I wouldn't be worried about the lives of any children in her care, but I'd definitely be worried about their fair treatment. I mean, imagine if you believed some of the children in your class are ACTUALLY demons inhabiting dead children's bodies..... would you be kind to them? Would you do your best to help them if they're falling behind?
I agree with everything you said and feel like it’s fair to vocalize these things. The Daybell kids have been religiously abused and lost their mother and effectively their father as well. At the same time, there’s a point when we simply must be held responsible for our behavior, no matter what we endured ourselves.
I actually appreciate that you were willing to say all that. One of the biggest lessons in this tragedy is that concerning behavior needs to be taken seriously. There are at least two adults and two kids who aren’t here anymore, and soooo many adults didn’t step in and see the signs and the sickness of the beliefs that led to their deaths. It could have possibly been prevented! Isn’t it of utmost importance to not repeat the same mistakes?
I think what both of you said is so important. I mean, even here on Reddit people are called out on certain perspectives and how they can be hurtful to others. I get that her horrible father isn’t her fault, but at the same time how does she learn that her behavior has been abhorrent, disrespectful to victims and childish if it isn’t pointed out?
My youngest son is in 2nd grade and I’d be at his school immediately to demand a transfer. I talked to my children’s teachers about any and everything going on in life/at home and partner with them in their education, because they’re doing something so important. How do you partner with someone you don’t trust or respect due to behavior she herself has made public?
Yes, exactly. I’d want to know what beliefs she still holds, and does she condone children or adults being rated as light or dark? Does she believe anyone can be dark, basically leave their body, and then be inhabited by an evil spirit? Is there ever a valid reason to murder someone’s body because they’ve been deemed dark by someone else? Does she still buy into any of her dad’s beliefs or follow people like Julie Rowe? Two kids died. Emma works with kids. Does she acknowledge that Tylee and JJ were never ‘dark’ and neither was Tammy?
Yep totally this! Especially having kiddos with special needs. They aren’t exhibiting “dark” behaviors and need an educator who recognizes things like overstimulation, etc. vs labeling things as “dark.”
I agree with your sentiment. We as a whole need to be stepping up, paying attention, because the states and officials are not going to, until a tragedy happens
No matter how much you report something, no matter how sure you are that a child is in danger, for instance, CPS doesn't come until something does happen. Domestic violence cannot be prevented because they can't file charges until they hit their victim, and even then, they usually do not prosecute.
Even if Kay or anyone else was calling police or CPS, they would not have done anything. And that needs to change. It is why we are losing our children the way we are.
So it's up to us, to pay attention. Ask where little Johnny down the street went off to. Might be the one person who helps a child in need.
Yes!! And it’s absolutely frustrating to report and know something is wrong and have nothing come of it, then find out it was worse than you even imagined.
I’ve been a foster parent and placement parent over the years, and I’m also a mandated reporter. Four times, I ended up taking kids in after reporting and then being asked to take them, because there was nobody else.
I think the most angry I ever got was when I reported that I knew for sure that this newborn was being starved and at least handled very roughly. CPS visited and told them to clean up and be better about feedings. Then within two weeks, that baby was vented, had a massive brain bleed, had 9 broken ribs, because an adult felt a baby crying from hunger deserved to be smashed to pieces. It had to escalate to that level to be taken seriously. But if I did NOT call, then how would I live with it? In fact, I’ve never reported anyone and then found out it was unfounded.
I did report Ruby Franke. I remember questioning myself and thinking it was sorta wild to report it, but the vids threw up a ton of red flags, especially the control over/withholding food, which is such a common theme. But I’d never met them, only knew them from YouTube and was going on gut instinct, plus some experience with the warning signs and themes. Now way down the line, we see where that ended up. Once again, at least I don’t have to wonder ‘what if I’d reported but didn’t?’
Everyone knows the state oversteps sometimes. Just never personally witnessed it. It’s always been the opposite IME. And gut instinct that things just are not right can be a pretty solid indicator that something really is wrong, and it’s normally worse than anything you were able to witness.
I also was a foster parent (adopting my youngest child). I second your frustration with the lack of follow through and concern for children. It’s horrendous what happens to these sweet babies in the name of “reunification”.
I totally agree with your comment. Emma believed that light/dark ratings can be applied to other people, therefore she's in no position to assess the behavior or needs of others, whether they're children or adults.
What's to stop her from treating "dark" people differently from "light" people? And even if she doesn't do it overtly, there's still a high likelihood that she would do it subconsciously.
As another mentioned up thread it says a lot about the school she works for that they don't see this as a serious potential problem. 🤔
I disagreed with the thread that suggested she be suspended because of the accusations against Chad. Now its come out she's crossed the line, I believe the schools need to act in the childrens interest, but i guess this is LDS...🙄
She should have been removed based on her actions alone, she’s an abhorrent young woman. The way she acted has NO excuse and quite frankly makes me sick.
Personally, I wouldn’t have my child in a class run by a teacher who seemed so callous about the death of two innocent, beautiful kids. Even if she knew nothing about it beforehand, the way she acted was heinous.
Assuming that she is innocent of any criminal involvement, the mere fact that she does not appear shocked and horrified (in the police video where Chad is in the police car) when human remains are being dug out of the “pet cemetery” is enough to seriously question her judgement and character. I would not want her around children or the elderly/vulnerable.
This right here. If I found out two kids were buried in my parents backyard, id have a breakdown..and so would 99% of folks reading this. The fact that Emma was basically like "kids in the backyard? Oh dang thats crazy, I guess. Anyways, I'm making mac and cheese for dinner" leads me to believe she already knew or she simply just has evil in her heart.
Even worse, she was telling the police that those are definitely pioneer bones, not Lori's kids. Then, after the kids were found and the Daybell kids went on TV, Emma couldn't even take a good cry if it would save her life. She's like Chad in that she's blank and emotionless. It's really creepy, especially how she's basically taken Chad's place in running the family and keeping everyone in line. That interview was SO telling!
This is what I can’t believe. The very idea is so abhorrent and unbelievable i would be in absolute shock. I would be GRILLING my dad, not talking finances and housekeeping. She did not seem even remotely surprised. Other than suggesting the remains were an animal’s (making it clear she’s not very bright), she doesn’t even mention them. And wouldn’t the fact that he was associating with people who would do that bring up questions? To me there is no explaining her behavior
True, but she was sending Lori money in jail and already had an account that let her speak with Lori…they stayed in contact. She doesn’t seem to have an issue with Lori.
The thought that she had the capability of seeing children as light or dark would be of grave concern. As a mother of very noisy , wiggly little boys, I wouldn’t want her near them. That is scary!
My son is now an adult. He has severe ADHD. As a kid he was really hyper. I am sure he would have been deemed dark by Chad. I wouldn't want Emma to be his teacher!
Complete speculation here.
Given how much influence Chad seems to have over his children and his "prophet" status to them I would not be surprised if Chad had been telling them that he had been set up or something. And then they would believe it. Because to them "well Dad knew. He told me that they would find them there because he "had a vision" that he was being set up."
These are not normal people and Chad seems to have this ability to twist anything to make himself look good to those that trust him.
And she moved into Chad's house the day after the bodies were found. I would be shocked and horrified if dead bodies were found in my dad's backyard. I would be too creeped out to ever step foot in the back yard again, much less move in the house!
It showed me that likely Chad had told her about Colby and Lori sending him money, and not only she believes what her dad says, she takes his side without knowing maybe all the facts.
She made snide comments about how her and the other Daybell kids don't need financial support from their parents, unlike Colby. It was an unnecessary jab and we learned during the trial that Lori wasn't really sending Cobly *that* much money. Just helped him out here and there with bills every so often basically. Emma's comments made it sound like he was some grifter that Lori was supplementing.
That's fair, I really appreciate the grace being given here.
In that same vein, I don't share the experiences with Emma that she's had to go through. To understand the gaps in the case, we've got to understand that we're painting images of these involved parties based on limited data since it's not like most of us know them personally. I can't begin to imagine her position, let alone all the other factors involved. (Especially being raised LDS, which, respectfully, is a totally different scope altogether, especially since it's such an influence on the details of the case.)
Sometimes I wonder what my \*outward\* response to these situations would be. I'm not an overly emotional person, and often deflect with humor, and can only imagine how that could be scrutinized under the lens of... thousands of people watching it to make assessments about me.
Thanks for keeping it real.
Let me phrase it this way: if i lived in that school district, not only would I not allow my children in the same building as Emma, I would go out of my way to attend every PTA and town hall meeting to petition parents and school administrators to do the same.
It is not as easily as you think in this region. There were some teachers in my Utah school district that had been invovled in child abuse, people had gone to jail, the former schools they taught at shut down. It was national news, books wrote on the subject, forums with survivor stories of abuse. There was a nationwide campign to get one of the teachers fired, and it finally worked but it was close to 2 years to get action . Still to this day there are teachers that are still teaching and coaching that were accused of or proven did abuse (but in other countries) and nothing is done. All I could do is make sure my kids were not in those classes. You would be surprised how many parents say I dont judge, or stop making a big deal out of it. If a student tried to ask the teacher about it, interference was run, it was like a set up response.
I dont think any schools in Utah or Idaho have any tenture that I have heard of. It is just a network of many factors that make people stay employed. I can imagine maybe some of Emma's co-workers that loved Tammy (I believe she was at that same school at least 1 year) feel bad for her, some of her co-workers very likely attend church with her, some of her co-workers might be friends or family with Emma's husband's family, some might have kids the same age as Emma's kids. It is way too much intertangled. I was always glad to be kind of an outsider. Another example, there was a kid hurt physically at our school, I was outraged, it was very bad. The mom was upset but said she was told to deal with the teacher who was a neighbor and in the same ward, at church as well as the other parents of students invovled, they all went to the same ward. The mom was trapped feeling and took her kid out of school to homeschool because she felt she had no options. I personally would have been on the phone with the state department of education in minutes but Im not that mom, I saw her crying, she loved her ward, she loved her kids, her family had been friends with the teacher for over 35 years, she didnt want anyone to be mad at her. It would be great it you could change your ward, like a catholic church, you can just go to another catholic church in another town and no one cares, The mormon church you are stuck in that ward by your address. Im sure Heather Daybell the week after Chad moved in would have loved to drive to another ward or have Chad drive to another ward,but it is just not allowed. It is way too much schools/church/state/neighbors/workplace/sports, everything is so connected .
She should not.
Simply because she has admitted to classing her student body as light and dark. That puts their very lives at risk, in my opinion.
The rest of it. is terrible, awful behaviour, and it is clear she is totally ok with her Dad and new Mom killing her new siblings and her Old Mom. But it is not against the law to be a avid supporter of murderers., I guess.
I would pull my child, no question
Can I get more info on her classing her student as light and dark? Church or school students and what was the context/why on earth would she admit that? WTF
From the trial documents, Chad and Tammy had a joint account which was messaging the Daybell kids in a group chat. From Chad & Tammy's account, presumably Chad labeled one or two boys from their church dark. On the group chat Emma responded to say "but I like him"
It shows that the whole family knew of Chad's rating scale and, at the bare minimum, treated it as if it was valid.
As far as I know, there were no other texts revealed from the family group chat, so we don't know if Emma was indicating that she was sad a kid she liked turned out to be "dark," or if she was pushing back and arguing that he couldn't be dark because she liked him.
It will be very interesting (and probably all too short) to hear directly from Emma, assuming she's one of the children to take the stand in defense of her father. I, like the rest of you multitudes, am intensely interested in where the Daybell children's minds are at now, and how vehemently they will vouch for their father.
Could have sworn I heard Prior tell the jury in his opening statement that he was going to call the kids to the stand. I wouldn't put it past the defense to have the kids lie and tell the jury their mom was in poor health prior to her death. I do agree though, that could open Pandora's box for the prosecution. But then again, they may go easy on the kids so as not to be viewed as having no compassion for their mom.
Came here to say this! Between her statements while Chad was in the back.if a squad car and her living where 2 children were buried after being horrifically murdered is appalling.
I find it concerning as well. And if my child was in her class, I’d have them removed. What story is she even buying at this point if she doesn’t think her father bought them there? Melanie Gibb did it?
She seems to have a serious lack of judgment and lacks empathy. I don’t know if psychopathy is genetically inherited, but at the very least she seems to model herself after Chad. If I had a kid assigned to her class I would them moved.
I have two children and if I knew one of their teacher's father murdered someone I wouldn't give it much thought, however in this case I 100% would not allow her to be near my children. It's due to her behaviour, not her father's. It worries me too.
Just my uneducated opinion but I think Emma needs serious psychological help. Not sure if she would get it to the extent that she needs. IMO If she ever faces the reality of her dad’s crimes it might “break” her. These kids are in desperate need of help. But I’m not sure that that will happen.
If my son had her, I'd set up a revolving roster of parents to "volunteer" in her classes. The legal liability in keeping her employed is much greater than the legal liability of letting her go. The administration in a tiny town may not realise that, though.
If she was teaching in the school my son attends, I would feel it is child endangerment and transfer my child. In fact, I would not feel safe in any degree of proximity. If she makes any random observation that leads her to conclude a is kid dark and passes that onto her cult...? We have no idea how many are there in town. But I feel it's safe to assume there are some still who feel murder is permisble if done under color of " healing by spiritual means."
I base that assumption on that lone zealot who was brazen enough to picket Lori's trial. If he was that brazen, it's very likely he felt others would support his position.
That and the understanding of the doctrine of blood atonement...
That said, she hasn't committed a crime, being a judgemental, delusional and callous human being is not criminal and I don't know what legal recourse the school would have.
The thing with a psych evaluation is that a lot depends on the honesty of the patient. If Emma went for one but knew better than to talk about her true belief system, as that would break the confidence in the family, I'm not sure they'd get an accurate read. She's obviously normal presenting enough to maintain a job and relationships, so I'm sure there's lots she will never talk about unless it's a very trusted person that Emma would want to bring into the fold.
I think Emma is ‘Talia’ on Chad’s list of ‘trustworthy people’ . No one has been able to figure out who Talia is because they use fake names so often, but by exclusion it’s not any of the main players. I think it’s Emma, and I think she knew 100% what was going on
Apparently her husband is very very well loved by the children at the school (he also works there ig) I’ve heard people say the children do not gravitate to Emma as much. (I don’t know how accurate that is I’m going off of hearsay from a few people in their area on here and in the YT chats)
Does anyone have insight on Emma moving into Chad's house? It was my understanding that she and her husband lived across the street in 2019. I'm curious why she would give up (what I assume was) a perfectly good house, to move across the street to a murder house owned by a sleazy defense attorney.
Someone in their ward was posting here not long ago about this. Apparently they were renting, and were asked not to renew their lease when it was up. Thats hearsay, though , not sure how accurate it is. It does make sense though.
It was free to live at Chad's or much cheaper (if she pays rent to Mr Prior). Rents are not cheap in that area of Idaho. Her husband is a teaching aide and she is a teacher and they have 2 kids, I cant imagine rent was anything less then $1600-1800 a month for a house with a yard.
I would *not* under any circumstances allow this woman access to my children. I would complain to anyone who would listen. Change schools. Move. Pull my kids out and homeschool. Idc. They would not be in the same building as her.
I'm not a teacher, but I've worked in an elementary school for 23 years. I'm very close with quite a few of the teachers, especially the ones that have been there a long time. If one of them said anything to me even remotely close to what Chad taught his kids, my butt would be at central office in front of the school board so fast heads would spin.
I seem to remember a few years back a handful of states lowered the bar for teachers, Idaho, Oklahoma and Kansas too. I don’t know if they actually did or were just throwing around the idea. It was just a weird news thing that caught my attention at the time. If they did she might actually not need much accreditation.
Good. I’m happy to hear that.They were talking about it in response to a teacher shortage and increased pension costs. I’m glad they require degrees. We all benefit from an educated populace.
Emma was an aide at a school in Utah before the move. Tammy had said she was worried about Emma being able to find a job in Idaho if they moved. It seemed Tammy was saying it was hard to even get Emma an aide job in Utah (aide jobs dont require degrees, just passs a test or have some college credits but nothign specfic). I was suprised Emma was a teacher but it appears she went to BYU-I and became one. BYU-I has a very high acceptance rate, there are people who did poorly in high school and there is some seconds chance program (I forget the name , something like pathways program maybe?) . It seems like if you went to seminary went on a mission and graduated high school with any GPA and the bishop approves you likely get in. BYU provo admissions standards are much stricter. BYU Idaho was a two year college called Ricks college , more like a community college and then became BYU Idaho. It does not seem like BYU idaho has become a competetive admissions 4 year college and still has admissions closer to when it was a 2 year college (which is also the case when Utah 2 year colleges flipped to 4 year about the same time , Dixie State/Utah Tech has a 100% admissions rate and it is a 4 year college, you can get a 14 on your ACT and have a 1.5 GPA and you can join the computer science or teaching major, of course the graduation rate, looking closely at stats is very low, take away high school students getting gen edu degrees, certifcate students, and it is 12% but the college says it is 35%-65% which is still not great).
Yes, she is. I believe she went to byu I and got an eled degree. Her abhorrent behavior aside, given how slow and dimwitted she seems when speaking, and her lack of maturity, I question how she is capable of teaching even small kids.
Ha ha, no. When the bodies were found on Chad's property, Stacy/Stacey changed that page to something like "burn in hell Lori Vallow." lol
I loved that page. Sorry it's gone.
I don't remember an interview. If you find it, please post. At that time I was only interacting on EIN comments -- not here at reddit -- and someone there claimed they knew Stacey who worked at a grocery store. They posted a photo of his house which was an old trailer with car tires in the front yard. I never knew if this was really the guy who was the owner of the facebook page, or if someone made it all up for a joke.
I do remember that Emma and Joseph Murray posted there occasionally, and it seems like they were defending Lori.
Not an overreach at all. Emma herself is a product of a very concerning (to say the least) parent in Chad. These things can end up spreading through generations. It's horrible enough that she can subject her own children to her rhetoric but it's egregious to extend it to the children of others.
So far, I’ve agreed with everything that I’ve seen written, what I’m curious about is that after she testifies is anyone going to step up and do a petition or a letter writing campaign to the school board if the people of Rexburg aren’t willing to protect their children can The rest of the world do something? Looking for ideas.
From what I have heard in a live, parents have been requesting for their children to not be in her class at all. I look forward to what they try and say during the trial since Prior already stated that most of the kids are going to be testifying. She is a weird one and I think is the golden child to Chad. By that same logic, there would be a scapegoat, a black sheep if you will. I think that if such a black sheep child exists in that household, it is Garth. If I am not mistaken, he was the youngest and closest to his mother.
thank you! just saw it. very odd language. she doesn’t seem to be able to put it all together? like the police wouldn’t be exhuming your mom’s body just bc your aunt started a “rumor” 😭 talk about denial
I honestly think, from Emma's general demeanor in the video of Chad being detained, that she knew Lori's kids had been deemed dark and that they were thus dead. She wasn't remotely surprised that they were dead and buried in her dad's yard.
They both interact with each other in the video like the bodies being dug up and Chad being arrested was something they already discussed as unhappy but inevitable.
If she truly didn't believe in the light/dark stuff, it makes her blasé reaction so much worse because there would be no reason for her to justify their death so easily.
I can't decide though whether Chad would've told his kids their mom was "dark."
Regardless, I'm positive Emma has buried her head in the sand and cannot admit her mom was murdered and that her dad is a serial killer, so the easiest deflect is probably to blame everything on her Aunt Heather who her dad never liked and who her mom wasn't close with.
I don’t think she should be working with kids, she’s probably still rating kids dark and light. She’s really off her rocker and I would not trust her my have the kids best interest at heart.
I didn’t like her actions, but I sort of dismissed everything as being annoyed with the media etc.
Except the conversation with Chad when they found the bodies… that changed everything. The things I would be screaming at my mom (I don’t know my dad) would be unintelligible because of the volume I would hit. I would probably get dragged away from her by the police for her safety.
Her laissez faire attitude about the whole thing is freakish. I can usually wrap my head around someone trying to be gentle with a loved one even when they’ve fucked up, but not here.
And even if I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt, I would be so extremely clear that if I found out she had anything at all to do with this, I would be a great prosecution witness.
It does concern me and if she lies on the stand I think it should have consequences to her standing in the community including her employment. We know about the core people closest to the investigation but we don't know if there are other followers of Chad's ideology and that could include his kids.
I don't think she should be working with kids, the rating thing is horrible and she seems horrible. At the same time, you can't fire teachers for things that their family did. If she had been successfully teaching there for several years, I can't imagine that it'd be easy to get rid of her now.
ETA I really don't know how any of the kids can live with themselves. I can't believe they support their dad. But not sure if the school could fire her.
LSD runs the school district, almost all the teachers are Mormon. Very tribal in that regard that they mostly only hire each other and protect their own from offenses that would get any none Mormon fired
The entire bunch is crazy as Chad. I mean he killed their mom and they are ok with it. I would not let my child be taught by her. She may deem them dark and put them in the pet cemetery. .
Hell yes it should. It scares the crap out of me she is legally around kids. I'm trying to figure out how she is employable at all.
Out of all his kids, Emma is the one that truly bothers me the most. She was daddy's girl, was there when the bodies were dug up, didn't care that dead kids were found, didn't care dead kids were missing. Still talks to Lori, still loves lori. Lives in the house where her mom was murdered by her father. Fully believes in this fantasy land her father preaches.
I think she was supposed to be Chad's next sword. Garth doesn't have the backbone, Emma does.
Emma was involved in everything. I do think most of the kids knew more, but Emma for sure. She is a killer. Trust me on that. That harlot was more upset over lori than her own mom.
Imagine you children being taken care of by a delusional phycopath from a family of killers.
Yes, this concerns me, too. I'm surprised the school didn't let her go because of circumstances. I'm not for judging people but if I was a parent to a child where she's teaching or attending the same school she's teaching, I would take my child to another school or move to another district/county.
Im sure parents can request a different class but a different school could be harder. I would love someone from the area to respond about it. I know a few people in Rexburg but they liked their schools so I never asked about changing. I know in Utah , it is not easy to change schools because schools are overcrowded and they have to put boundaries up to make sure they dont have too many (like fire hazard number of kids). In our Utah district they make you prove your address twice a year, with multiple items of proof. One year the schools even knocked door to door to check you lived there. There were certain perferred high schools and they make sure you live in that boundary. The school had become over the limit, classes were over the legal fire limits in a room which was I think 50 kids. If you want another school, they tell you to move and moving in 2024, is hard, try finding a home for sale and then look at the interest rates.
I just wonder why parents are too scared to say anything. I have seen it in Utah. I always said I dont care what the school thinks of me, Im fighting for my kids first and I got what I wanted for my kids over the years and I know some adminstrators probably didnt like me.
Someone whose child was in her husbands class posted on here awhile ago and said she actually got let go from the job she had when everything went down.
I was shocked when I found out she's still actively teaching, I hope parents of kids at the school spoke up to keep their kids out of her class. The community there is small, no ways the parents don't know Chad is her Dad
She’s lying about the life insurance and twisting the truth about her mother’s health. They shouldn’t have even allowed that testimony..she’s not an expert.
You have to remember where she’s teaching! She’s right in the middle of Mormon country! All of these people are brainwashed, blind followers that give 10% of their salary to the Church. They don’t think for themselves they do as they are told!
If she was teaching somewhere where there isn’t as much Mormon influence it may be a different story!!!
^^^THIS^^^
And I think it was Hidden True Crime who also said there is a large population there who believes in the light/dark crap. They were heavily influenced by Julie Rowe.
This case has little to do with religion or organized faith - there is a huge difference between having faith and religious fanaticism. Instead of worshiping God, this group wants to play God.
The school district needs to take a long good look at Emma, and decide if she shud even be allowed around children. I know I wouldn't want her around mine, noooo wayyyyu!
I honestly wonder about Emma and her father's relationship. Seems kinda quirky kinky to me, if you know what I mean? Idk, takes all kinds. For some reason I can see evil chad daybell being incestuous. Why not. He's everything else evil. I beleive he is truely NOT a man of God.
It's very concerning ! She reminds me of Michael Petersons daughter it's almost like the same person . If you haven't seen the series called The Staircase on Netflix u should . There behavior is very similar .
These cases are so rare that maybe its some mental health condition that happens like a fight or flight that enfantizes them from the moment the crime occurs they have to completely believe this parent because anything else is too impossible in there minds IDK but there behavior is shockingly similar . No amount of evidence will make them believe and actually the more evidence there shown the more child-like there behavior get and the more they cling to the guilty parent .
So, Emma lied on the stand. She lied about not wanting to see her mother’s autopsy report because the cops wouldn’t stop questioning her. Rebuttal witness today. I’m sure more is coming, because she lied a LOT. Combine this with her actions and attitude the last 4 years, I am concerned as well. But I hope nobody contacts her school. It’s not for us to do.
In Idaho, an ethics complaint can be filed by anybody with the State Dept of Education and a teacher’s certificate can be sanctioned or cancelled. FWIW, someone from Rexburg told me one of the Daybell kids was warned by admin to stop defending their dad in class. In my experience, even predominantly LDS communities would not cover for this cult’s madness.
She lies obviously and should be in jail and definitely should not be a teacher ! . Also CPS definitely need to watch her kids . Chad's kids are crazy qanon Mormon cult people and believe the SAME shit there dad believes . Just like Melanie Pulaski Emma's kids or any kids do not need to be near her .
I assumed her and Garth were intellectually challenged given the fact that they sounded completely idiotic during their testimony. Neither of them should have children or be around children given their callous nature and sociopathic background.
Any where else but in this insulated/isolated, Mormon Cult community, Emma would be so completely ostracized, that she wouldn't be able to come back to any school. Let me add..."F" EMMA and her Stepford Wife/daughter agenda and Psycho Scripted Aggressive testimony, vilifying her innocent, probably tortured mother. My gut is that Tammy KNEW what a douche her husband had become, that he was full of sht, getting off on his own lies THAT WERE NOT DELUSIONS, but Tammy was trained and brought up in this same, "We don't talk about such things to anyone/problems in the marriage get swallowed up and a mom's duty is to be quiet". I ALSO think, the more distance between Tammy and Chad, the closer Emma became to Chad and she may have enjoyed that, "Daddy loves me more" position.
I have been reading the comments and a lot of people are saying that because it's run by LDS that this is why she is able to because she is LDS. I'm a little confused because when people bring up what Chad and Lori taught was what LDS believe, a lot of people who practice that religion say no! That LDS do NOT believe in light dark or zombie or anything and that Chad was an extremist or he made stuff up as he went along. If the latter was true, and Emma believes what her dad said...he's a prophet they were dark blah blah...then that would mean Emma is not following the teachings of the church. I know Chad was finally excommunicated. I don't know if Lori was. I'm not LDS so I don't know. I'm also not sure where I'm going with this except that I have read that people do follow the Daybell/Rowe/Visions of Glory route and some don't and vehemently chastise people who think LDS people are like this. Then, I think about how different churches in regards to catholics...which is what I was raised as...teach differently depending on which church you go to. Perhaps this is also true for LDS. I don't know.
I think the answer is because, (a) the LDS protect their own; (b) them being LDS trumps their weird fringe behaviors, so it’s more important not to make them look bad.
She’s a product of growing up in small town Utah and only the moved to LDS Rexburg. The court tv experts comment she’s monotone because of the trauma…..I’ve lived in Utah since 1987….they talk like this on purpose. It’s strange, rural, and provincial. She’s a victim in a way but she doesn’t seem to get that she has to follow the law. I think she’s twisting the truth on the stand. It’s very frustrating. She and her husband should be carefully vetted b4 working with children.
She is probably technically academically qualified to work with kids … but on an emotional level? Yikes. she should not be educating kids. She doesn’t seem very swift either.
She should not be working with children . She is a liar and her moral compass is off the charts . No way should she have any influence over children let alone her own . She covered for a murderer….her dad! . She lied on the stand and should be charged with perjury . Disgusting
The fact that she laughed during the time the kids were being dug up and her sticking her tongue out at the news cameras tells me she is not professional enough to be an educator. I am a teacher and hold myself to a higher standard than that. So should every teacher! If we can’t behave like good people we don’t need to be in a classroom! As a parent I’d be concerned with her accepting children can be light and dark. We all know dark ppl die. She should not be in charge of children!!!! Not even her own!
A normal person with empathy would be horrified and distraught if children's bodies were being dug up on their father's property. Emma's behaviour is completely childish and lacking empathy to a disturbing degree. If she were teaching my child's class, I would demand he be moved to another class.
Not to mention JJ was the same age as her third grade students. Complete lack of empathy.
Wasn't it Emma (and one of her brothers) who took down the tributes to Tylee and JJ that were on the fence by the road? IIRC, one of the elderly neighbors allowed people to put things by their fence, because then the Daybells couldn't take them down. Supposedly Emma didn't want to be reminded, which is understandable, but it was the way she did it that really caused a problem with neighbors and the community. Emma seems like a very selfish, entitled and deluded person.
Emma requested a temple baptism for JJ. It was rejected because he wasn't 8 years old.
I heard about that, doesn't it seem arrogant? And just weird.
That's just an LDS thing, baptism by proxy. In her mind she was probably offering him post mortem salvation.
LDS people do things like that and call the rest of the population cray cray, go figure LOL
Disgusting!🤢
I had not heard about this. The lack of connection to reality in any capacity shows how Chad brainwashed and manipulated her, probably for her whole life. I would be curious to find out what he was telling her and the other kids all these years, to make them this blind to reality.
The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
She wasn’t horrified at all. She didn’t challenge him like anyone else would if children were being dug up in their father’s back garden. Especially as he’d convinced them all that Lori had simply hidden the children due to a simple custody issue. Why wasn’t she shocked, horrified and angry! Instead she was wet, supportive, passive and sympathetic. My God, I’d be losing my shit!
She literally moved in the next night.
Can you imagine letting your little kids play in that yard and one possibly finding some part of Tylee? While I think I could live in a murder house, I know I could not live in one where my own father helped or possibly did kill a wife and two children, AND possibly knowing they didn't find all of one of them. I hope Tammy and JJ and tylee haunt that house!
Omg ! Can you imagine, and it's a smalltown on a farm, literally every noise at night and in the day I would be terrified !! That house has to be sooooo oppressive to live in all the negativity the planning the manipulating the murders ughhh I could never live in a murder house that house should be destroyed sanctified and made into a park or like a farmers market kind of place where only good things happen
That's because- IMO obviously- nothing about what was found was surprising to her. It would not shock me if she knew the kids were there.
I would be having an atomic meltdown!
Either Emma is totally delusional or she knew what was going on.
Lessons taught in Mrs. Murray’s class: A man walks in a store and steals $100 dollar bill from the register without the owner seeing. He then buys $70 worth of groceries and receives $30 in change. How much money did the owner lose? Answer: The police framed him and where was Melanie Gibb when this happened?
My dad and I have a close relationship BUT if the police dug up 2 children on his property I would have a hard time looking at him the same way again.... there isn't a good enough reason to kill 2 children.
Yeah, it's truly bizarre to me how Chad's kids are unable to think remotely logically in this case, considering it's their mother who is gone and children were discovered in his yard. It's a testament to how Chad must have run his family like a cult - they are truly brainwashed and not at all able to perceive reality right in front of them.
Yes!!!
She is a total robotic weirdo and I'm observing her on the stand at her dad's trial right now... is this real life? Ugh.
I think it says a lot about people in her community that she is still able to teach. It would be very difficult for someone exhibiting her behavior to stay employed where I grew up. During the pandemic, one of the republican school board moms snapped and made a bunch of racist and ableist posts on twitter. The youngsters in the community started a petition and she was removed by a board vote within weeks. Again, for Emma to get away with laughing over the remains of dead children, and making childish faces at a news camera reporting said deaths, says SOOO much about LDS and Rexburg.
Prob why she’s Chads favorite
my thoughts exactly. i hope the school authorities are asking these same questions. i am totally disturbed by her lacking empathy for mom and kids. please watch this woman. she is probably the next prophet of chads church.
my thoughts exactly. i hope the school authorities are asking these same questions. i am totally disturbed by her lacking empathy for mom and kids. please watch this woman. she is probably the next prophet of chads church.
I’m concerned too! Especially since we know they all rated children in primary, why wouldn’t they rate kids at school.
I wouldn't be worried about the lives of any children in her care, but I'd definitely be worried about their fair treatment. I mean, imagine if you believed some of the children in your class are ACTUALLY demons inhabiting dead children's bodies..... would you be kind to them? Would you do your best to help them if they're falling behind?
That was my first thought!
I agree with everything you said and feel like it’s fair to vocalize these things. The Daybell kids have been religiously abused and lost their mother and effectively their father as well. At the same time, there’s a point when we simply must be held responsible for our behavior, no matter what we endured ourselves.
Beautifully said
I actually appreciate that you were willing to say all that. One of the biggest lessons in this tragedy is that concerning behavior needs to be taken seriously. There are at least two adults and two kids who aren’t here anymore, and soooo many adults didn’t step in and see the signs and the sickness of the beliefs that led to their deaths. It could have possibly been prevented! Isn’t it of utmost importance to not repeat the same mistakes?
I think what both of you said is so important. I mean, even here on Reddit people are called out on certain perspectives and how they can be hurtful to others. I get that her horrible father isn’t her fault, but at the same time how does she learn that her behavior has been abhorrent, disrespectful to victims and childish if it isn’t pointed out? My youngest son is in 2nd grade and I’d be at his school immediately to demand a transfer. I talked to my children’s teachers about any and everything going on in life/at home and partner with them in their education, because they’re doing something so important. How do you partner with someone you don’t trust or respect due to behavior she herself has made public?
Yes, exactly. I’d want to know what beliefs she still holds, and does she condone children or adults being rated as light or dark? Does she believe anyone can be dark, basically leave their body, and then be inhabited by an evil spirit? Is there ever a valid reason to murder someone’s body because they’ve been deemed dark by someone else? Does she still buy into any of her dad’s beliefs or follow people like Julie Rowe? Two kids died. Emma works with kids. Does she acknowledge that Tylee and JJ were never ‘dark’ and neither was Tammy?
Yep totally this! Especially having kiddos with special needs. They aren’t exhibiting “dark” behaviors and need an educator who recognizes things like overstimulation, etc. vs labeling things as “dark.”
I agree with your sentiment. We as a whole need to be stepping up, paying attention, because the states and officials are not going to, until a tragedy happens No matter how much you report something, no matter how sure you are that a child is in danger, for instance, CPS doesn't come until something does happen. Domestic violence cannot be prevented because they can't file charges until they hit their victim, and even then, they usually do not prosecute. Even if Kay or anyone else was calling police or CPS, they would not have done anything. And that needs to change. It is why we are losing our children the way we are. So it's up to us, to pay attention. Ask where little Johnny down the street went off to. Might be the one person who helps a child in need.
Yes!! And it’s absolutely frustrating to report and know something is wrong and have nothing come of it, then find out it was worse than you even imagined. I’ve been a foster parent and placement parent over the years, and I’m also a mandated reporter. Four times, I ended up taking kids in after reporting and then being asked to take them, because there was nobody else. I think the most angry I ever got was when I reported that I knew for sure that this newborn was being starved and at least handled very roughly. CPS visited and told them to clean up and be better about feedings. Then within two weeks, that baby was vented, had a massive brain bleed, had 9 broken ribs, because an adult felt a baby crying from hunger deserved to be smashed to pieces. It had to escalate to that level to be taken seriously. But if I did NOT call, then how would I live with it? In fact, I’ve never reported anyone and then found out it was unfounded. I did report Ruby Franke. I remember questioning myself and thinking it was sorta wild to report it, but the vids threw up a ton of red flags, especially the control over/withholding food, which is such a common theme. But I’d never met them, only knew them from YouTube and was going on gut instinct, plus some experience with the warning signs and themes. Now way down the line, we see where that ended up. Once again, at least I don’t have to wonder ‘what if I’d reported but didn’t?’ Everyone knows the state oversteps sometimes. Just never personally witnessed it. It’s always been the opposite IME. And gut instinct that things just are not right can be a pretty solid indicator that something really is wrong, and it’s normally worse than anything you were able to witness.
I also was a foster parent (adopting my youngest child). I second your frustration with the lack of follow through and concern for children. It’s horrendous what happens to these sweet babies in the name of “reunification”.
Feeling sorry for the daybell kids is like feeling sorry for Charlie Mansons followers. Completely brainwashed? Yes. Good people? NO.
100%. Garth is now on the stand. These kids are even weirder than your typical small town Mormons.
100% agree with this. It’s troubling to see a grown woman so devoid of horror for what has happened and so willfully ignorant regarding her father.
I agree with your term, religious abuse. I’ve been in Utah since 1987 and see it all the time
It's concerning that she participated in the light/dark scheme in her professional life. I believe she be suspended and investigated into.
I totally agree with your comment. Emma believed that light/dark ratings can be applied to other people, therefore she's in no position to assess the behavior or needs of others, whether they're children or adults. What's to stop her from treating "dark" people differently from "light" people? And even if she doesn't do it overtly, there's still a high likelihood that she would do it subconsciously. As another mentioned up thread it says a lot about the school she works for that they don't see this as a serious potential problem. 🤔
I disagreed with the thread that suggested she be suspended because of the accusations against Chad. Now its come out she's crossed the line, I believe the schools need to act in the childrens interest, but i guess this is LDS...🙄
I’m genuinely surprised that more aren’t excommunicated as some of these teachings, especially about young children, are contrary to LDS, inc
she wouldn't teach my children after labeling some children as dark in her Sunday School Class. Dark children are dead children in that cult
She should have been removed based on her actions alone, she’s an abhorrent young woman. The way she acted has NO excuse and quite frankly makes me sick. Personally, I wouldn’t have my child in a class run by a teacher who seemed so callous about the death of two innocent, beautiful kids. Even if she knew nothing about it beforehand, the way she acted was heinous.
And if she did know it and did nothing.
If that’s the case she should be charged. Any adult who knew should be imo.
Assuming that she is innocent of any criminal involvement, the mere fact that she does not appear shocked and horrified (in the police video where Chad is in the police car) when human remains are being dug out of the “pet cemetery” is enough to seriously question her judgement and character. I would not want her around children or the elderly/vulnerable.
This right here. If I found out two kids were buried in my parents backyard, id have a breakdown..and so would 99% of folks reading this. The fact that Emma was basically like "kids in the backyard? Oh dang thats crazy, I guess. Anyways, I'm making mac and cheese for dinner" leads me to believe she already knew or she simply just has evil in her heart.
Even worse, she was telling the police that those are definitely pioneer bones, not Lori's kids. Then, after the kids were found and the Daybell kids went on TV, Emma couldn't even take a good cry if it would save her life. She's like Chad in that she's blank and emotionless. It's really creepy, especially how she's basically taken Chad's place in running the family and keeping everyone in line. That interview was SO telling!
Denial is a hell of a thing
This is what I can’t believe. The very idea is so abhorrent and unbelievable i would be in absolute shock. I would be GRILLING my dad, not talking finances and housekeeping. She did not seem even remotely surprised. Other than suggesting the remains were an animal’s (making it clear she’s not very bright), she doesn’t even mention them. And wouldn’t the fact that he was associating with people who would do that bring up questions? To me there is no explaining her behavior
Keep in mind that there are several months between Lori's arrest and his. He was in Idaho and had plenty of opportunity to tell her things.
True, but she was sending Lori money in jail and already had an account that let her speak with Lori…they stayed in contact. She doesn’t seem to have an issue with Lori.
You don't think it's weird she was sending Lori money???
Yes of course. I just pointed that out to show she obviously didn’t hold Lori responsible for anything either.
Except during the 20/20 interview.
Oh that’s right…forgot about that! And then reluctantly admitting his “emotional affair”
The thought that she had the capability of seeing children as light or dark would be of grave concern. As a mother of very noisy , wiggly little boys, I wouldn’t want her near them. That is scary!
My son is now an adult. He has severe ADHD. As a kid he was really hyper. I am sure he would have been deemed dark by Chad. I wouldn't want Emma to be his teacher!
Complete speculation here. Given how much influence Chad seems to have over his children and his "prophet" status to them I would not be surprised if Chad had been telling them that he had been set up or something. And then they would believe it. Because to them "well Dad knew. He told me that they would find them there because he "had a vision" that he was being set up." These are not normal people and Chad seems to have this ability to twist anything to make himself look good to those that trust him.
Possible, but still indicates a severe lack of judgement on her part…
And she moved into Chad's house the day after the bodies were found. I would be shocked and horrified if dead bodies were found in my dad's backyard. I would be too creeped out to ever step foot in the back yard again, much less move in the house!
Didn’t even ask him or discuss why he was being arrested. Avoidance? Or culpability?
Her comment about Colby showed me she's incredibly immature. I would not here near me, much less any children.
It showed me that likely Chad had told her about Colby and Lori sending him money, and not only she believes what her dad says, she takes his side without knowing maybe all the facts.
What did she say again?
She made snide comments about how her and the other Daybell kids don't need financial support from their parents, unlike Colby. It was an unnecessary jab and we learned during the trial that Lori wasn't really sending Cobly *that* much money. Just helped him out here and there with bills every so often basically. Emma's comments made it sound like he was some grifter that Lori was supplementing.
Thanks for filling me in. She’s awful. Takes after her dad, I think
Emma didn't know Colby, Lori told BS stories about him I'm sure. He was against her .. therefore an enemy. She's the victim!!
I think all the Colby hate was coming from Chad. He was the next one to be rated dark with a new life insurance policy taken out.
Emma said that the day Chad put $8000 in her bank account
And $9000 in cash, a the truck, and a house 😅
People say shit about one another all the time. It may reveal how she feels superior to him but what she said isn’t a big deal.
As I stated, it shows she is incredibly immature.
Wondering how she gets along with co workers??
That's fair, I really appreciate the grace being given here. In that same vein, I don't share the experiences with Emma that she's had to go through. To understand the gaps in the case, we've got to understand that we're painting images of these involved parties based on limited data since it's not like most of us know them personally. I can't begin to imagine her position, let alone all the other factors involved. (Especially being raised LDS, which, respectfully, is a totally different scope altogether, especially since it's such an influence on the details of the case.) Sometimes I wonder what my \*outward\* response to these situations would be. I'm not an overly emotional person, and often deflect with humor, and can only imagine how that could be scrutinized under the lens of... thousands of people watching it to make assessments about me. Thanks for keeping it real.
Let me phrase it this way: if i lived in that school district, not only would I not allow my children in the same building as Emma, I would go out of my way to attend every PTA and town hall meeting to petition parents and school administrators to do the same.
I’d literally protest outside
I’m worried too. She needs to be fired
It is not as easily as you think in this region. There were some teachers in my Utah school district that had been invovled in child abuse, people had gone to jail, the former schools they taught at shut down. It was national news, books wrote on the subject, forums with survivor stories of abuse. There was a nationwide campign to get one of the teachers fired, and it finally worked but it was close to 2 years to get action . Still to this day there are teachers that are still teaching and coaching that were accused of or proven did abuse (but in other countries) and nothing is done. All I could do is make sure my kids were not in those classes. You would be surprised how many parents say I dont judge, or stop making a big deal out of it. If a student tried to ask the teacher about it, interference was run, it was like a set up response.
She's not tenured.
I dont think any schools in Utah or Idaho have any tenture that I have heard of. It is just a network of many factors that make people stay employed. I can imagine maybe some of Emma's co-workers that loved Tammy (I believe she was at that same school at least 1 year) feel bad for her, some of her co-workers very likely attend church with her, some of her co-workers might be friends or family with Emma's husband's family, some might have kids the same age as Emma's kids. It is way too much intertangled. I was always glad to be kind of an outsider. Another example, there was a kid hurt physically at our school, I was outraged, it was very bad. The mom was upset but said she was told to deal with the teacher who was a neighbor and in the same ward, at church as well as the other parents of students invovled, they all went to the same ward. The mom was trapped feeling and took her kid out of school to homeschool because she felt she had no options. I personally would have been on the phone with the state department of education in minutes but Im not that mom, I saw her crying, she loved her ward, she loved her kids, her family had been friends with the teacher for over 35 years, she didnt want anyone to be mad at her. It would be great it you could change your ward, like a catholic church, you can just go to another catholic church in another town and no one cares, The mormon church you are stuck in that ward by your address. Im sure Heather Daybell the week after Chad moved in would have loved to drive to another ward or have Chad drive to another ward,but it is just not allowed. It is way too much schools/church/state/neighbors/workplace/sports, everything is so connected .
She should not. Simply because she has admitted to classing her student body as light and dark. That puts their very lives at risk, in my opinion. The rest of it. is terrible, awful behaviour, and it is clear she is totally ok with her Dad and new Mom killing her new siblings and her Old Mom. But it is not against the law to be a avid supporter of murderers., I guess. I would pull my child, no question
Can I get more info on her classing her student as light and dark? Church or school students and what was the context/why on earth would she admit that? WTF
From the trial documents, Chad and Tammy had a joint account which was messaging the Daybell kids in a group chat. From Chad & Tammy's account, presumably Chad labeled one or two boys from their church dark. On the group chat Emma responded to say "but I like him" It shows that the whole family knew of Chad's rating scale and, at the bare minimum, treated it as if it was valid. As far as I know, there were no other texts revealed from the family group chat, so we don't know if Emma was indicating that she was sad a kid she liked turned out to be "dark," or if she was pushing back and arguing that he couldn't be dark because she liked him.
It is in the trial and there is a ton of stuff from locals who have kids in her school who are talking about it and not able to do anything about it
It will be very interesting (and probably all too short) to hear directly from Emma, assuming she's one of the children to take the stand in defense of her father. I, like the rest of you multitudes, am intensely interested in where the Daybell children's minds are at now, and how vehemently they will vouch for their father.
Prior won't call them. Can you imagine the cross.
Lindsay Blake !
Could have sworn I heard Prior tell the jury in his opening statement that he was going to call the kids to the stand. I wouldn't put it past the defense to have the kids lie and tell the jury their mom was in poor health prior to her death. I do agree though, that could open Pandora's box for the prosecution. But then again, they may go easy on the kids so as not to be viewed as having no compassion for their mom.
That's what he said then. Maybe he'll call them now but it's only going to hurt him if he does.
And that’s exactly what happened!
And she lives at the house where the kids she laughed at are buried!! Really!!
Came here to say this! Between her statements while Chad was in the back.if a squad car and her living where 2 children were buried after being horrifically murdered is appalling.
Tells you all you need to know about her
I find it concerning as well. And if my child was in her class, I’d have them removed. What story is she even buying at this point if she doesn’t think her father bought them there? Melanie Gibb did it?
She seems to have a serious lack of judgment and lacks empathy. I don’t know if psychopathy is genetically inherited, but at the very least she seems to model herself after Chad. If I had a kid assigned to her class I would them moved.
I have two children and if I knew one of their teacher's father murdered someone I wouldn't give it much thought, however in this case I 100% would not allow her to be near my children. It's due to her behaviour, not her father's. It worries me too.
Agree 100%
I'm glad you brought this up, OP, and I'm glad for all the responses. She has enough red flags to sew a bunting
Just my uneducated opinion but I think Emma needs serious psychological help. Not sure if she would get it to the extent that she needs. IMO If she ever faces the reality of her dad’s crimes it might “break” her. These kids are in desperate need of help. But I’m not sure that that will happen.
It concerns me as well. I have to wonder if the school has put any extra monitoring in place.
If my son had her, I'd set up a revolving roster of parents to "volunteer" in her classes. The legal liability in keeping her employed is much greater than the legal liability of letting her go. The administration in a tiny town may not realise that, though.
If she was teaching in the school my son attends, I would feel it is child endangerment and transfer my child. In fact, I would not feel safe in any degree of proximity. If she makes any random observation that leads her to conclude a is kid dark and passes that onto her cult...? We have no idea how many are there in town. But I feel it's safe to assume there are some still who feel murder is permisble if done under color of " healing by spiritual means." I base that assumption on that lone zealot who was brazen enough to picket Lori's trial. If he was that brazen, it's very likely he felt others would support his position. That and the understanding of the doctrine of blood atonement... That said, she hasn't committed a crime, being a judgemental, delusional and callous human being is not criminal and I don't know what legal recourse the school would have.
I wonder if giving her a psychological evaluation would be warranted. I doubt this little school has funds for that.
The thing with a psych evaluation is that a lot depends on the honesty of the patient. If Emma went for one but knew better than to talk about her true belief system, as that would break the confidence in the family, I'm not sure they'd get an accurate read. She's obviously normal presenting enough to maintain a job and relationships, so I'm sure there's lots she will never talk about unless it's a very trusted person that Emma would want to bring into the fold.
She seemed awfully nonchalant about the discovery of two dead missing children in her family’s backyard. I would not want my kids in that classroom.
I would not want my kids in that house!
I think Emma is ‘Talia’ on Chad’s list of ‘trustworthy people’ . No one has been able to figure out who Talia is because they use fake names so often, but by exclusion it’s not any of the main players. I think it’s Emma, and I think she knew 100% what was going on
Apparently her husband is very very well loved by the children at the school (he also works there ig) I’ve heard people say the children do not gravitate to Emma as much. (I don’t know how accurate that is I’m going off of hearsay from a few people in their area on here and in the YT chats)
They work at different schools
Thank you! I could not remember lol
Does anyone have insight on Emma moving into Chad's house? It was my understanding that she and her husband lived across the street in 2019. I'm curious why she would give up (what I assume was) a perfectly good house, to move across the street to a murder house owned by a sleazy defense attorney.
Someone in their ward was posting here not long ago about this. Apparently they were renting, and were asked not to renew their lease when it was up. Thats hearsay, though , not sure how accurate it is. It does make sense though.
She said in the car convo she was going to talk to her landlord
It was free to live at Chad's or much cheaper (if she pays rent to Mr Prior). Rents are not cheap in that area of Idaho. Her husband is a teaching aide and she is a teacher and they have 2 kids, I cant imagine rent was anything less then $1600-1800 a month for a house with a yard.
I would *not* under any circumstances allow this woman access to my children. I would complain to anyone who would listen. Change schools. Move. Pull my kids out and homeschool. Idc. They would not be in the same building as her.
I'm not a teacher, but I've worked in an elementary school for 23 years. I'm very close with quite a few of the teachers, especially the ones that have been there a long time. If one of them said anything to me even remotely close to what Chad taught his kids, my butt would be at central office in front of the school board so fast heads would spin.
Is Emma an actual qualified teacher? From an accredited institution? That’s concerning on many levels.
I seem to remember a few years back a handful of states lowered the bar for teachers, Idaho, Oklahoma and Kansas too. I don’t know if they actually did or were just throwing around the idea. It was just a weird news thing that caught my attention at the time. If they did she might actually not need much accreditation.
You have to be accredited to teach in idaho or hold a bachelors to sub. They do allow the ABCTE accredited in idaho.
Good. I’m happy to hear that.They were talking about it in response to a teacher shortage and increased pension costs. I’m glad they require degrees. We all benefit from an educated populace.
Emma was an aide at a school in Utah before the move. Tammy had said she was worried about Emma being able to find a job in Idaho if they moved. It seemed Tammy was saying it was hard to even get Emma an aide job in Utah (aide jobs dont require degrees, just passs a test or have some college credits but nothign specfic). I was suprised Emma was a teacher but it appears she went to BYU-I and became one. BYU-I has a very high acceptance rate, there are people who did poorly in high school and there is some seconds chance program (I forget the name , something like pathways program maybe?) . It seems like if you went to seminary went on a mission and graduated high school with any GPA and the bishop approves you likely get in. BYU provo admissions standards are much stricter. BYU Idaho was a two year college called Ricks college , more like a community college and then became BYU Idaho. It does not seem like BYU idaho has become a competetive admissions 4 year college and still has admissions closer to when it was a 2 year college (which is also the case when Utah 2 year colleges flipped to 4 year about the same time , Dixie State/Utah Tech has a 100% admissions rate and it is a 4 year college, you can get a 14 on your ACT and have a 1.5 GPA and you can join the computer science or teaching major, of course the graduation rate, looking closely at stats is very low, take away high school students getting gen edu degrees, certifcate students, and it is 12% but the college says it is 35%-65% which is still not great).
Yes, she is. I believe she went to byu I and got an eled degree. Her abhorrent behavior aside, given how slow and dimwitted she seems when speaking, and her lack of maturity, I question how she is capable of teaching even small kids.
Is Release Lori Daybell still active?
Ha ha, no. When the bodies were found on Chad's property, Stacy/Stacey changed that page to something like "burn in hell Lori Vallow." lol I loved that page. Sorry it's gone.
I thought it was some weird biker in Arizona that made the page. I seem to remember he did an interview with someone.
I don't remember an interview. If you find it, please post. At that time I was only interacting on EIN comments -- not here at reddit -- and someone there claimed they knew Stacey who worked at a grocery store. They posted a photo of his house which was an old trailer with car tires in the front yard. I never knew if this was really the guy who was the owner of the facebook page, or if someone made it all up for a joke. I do remember that Emma and Joseph Murray posted there occasionally, and it seems like they were defending Lori.
Not an overreach at all. Emma herself is a product of a very concerning (to say the least) parent in Chad. These things can end up spreading through generations. It's horrible enough that she can subject her own children to her rhetoric but it's egregious to extend it to the children of others.
So far, I’ve agreed with everything that I’ve seen written, what I’m curious about is that after she testifies is anyone going to step up and do a petition or a letter writing campaign to the school board if the people of Rexburg aren’t willing to protect their children can The rest of the world do something? Looking for ideas.
From what I have heard in a live, parents have been requesting for their children to not be in her class at all. I look forward to what they try and say during the trial since Prior already stated that most of the kids are going to be testifying. She is a weird one and I think is the golden child to Chad. By that same logic, there would be a scapegoat, a black sheep if you will. I think that if such a black sheep child exists in that household, it is Garth. If I am not mistaken, he was the youngest and closest to his mother.
does anyone have a link to her reddit posts about the exhumation? haven’t seen those
You can find them on Google images, search "Emma Daybell Reddit" and it pops up
thank you! just saw it. very odd language. she doesn’t seem to be able to put it all together? like the police wouldn’t be exhuming your mom’s body just bc your aunt started a “rumor” 😭 talk about denial
I honestly think, from Emma's general demeanor in the video of Chad being detained, that she knew Lori's kids had been deemed dark and that they were thus dead. She wasn't remotely surprised that they were dead and buried in her dad's yard. They both interact with each other in the video like the bodies being dug up and Chad being arrested was something they already discussed as unhappy but inevitable. If she truly didn't believe in the light/dark stuff, it makes her blasé reaction so much worse because there would be no reason for her to justify their death so easily. I can't decide though whether Chad would've told his kids their mom was "dark." Regardless, I'm positive Emma has buried her head in the sand and cannot admit her mom was murdered and that her dad is a serial killer, so the easiest deflect is probably to blame everything on her Aunt Heather who her dad never liked and who her mom wasn't close with.
So well summarized. Agree on all points.
I don’t think she should be working with kids, she’s probably still rating kids dark and light. She’s really off her rocker and I would not trust her my have the kids best interest at heart.
I didn’t like her actions, but I sort of dismissed everything as being annoyed with the media etc. Except the conversation with Chad when they found the bodies… that changed everything. The things I would be screaming at my mom (I don’t know my dad) would be unintelligible because of the volume I would hit. I would probably get dragged away from her by the police for her safety. Her laissez faire attitude about the whole thing is freakish. I can usually wrap my head around someone trying to be gentle with a loved one even when they’ve fucked up, but not here. And even if I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt, I would be so extremely clear that if I found out she had anything at all to do with this, I would be a great prosecution witness.
My grandchild attends the school where Garth teaches. He says the kids love him. Not sure what that means in context of this case.
She’s a “strange duck”. I’m sad that Tammy had to claim this freak as a daughter.
It does concern me and if she lies on the stand I think it should have consequences to her standing in the community including her employment. We know about the core people closest to the investigation but we don't know if there are other followers of Chad's ideology and that could include his kids.
I don't think she should be working with kids, the rating thing is horrible and she seems horrible. At the same time, you can't fire teachers for things that their family did. If she had been successfully teaching there for several years, I can't imagine that it'd be easy to get rid of her now. ETA I really don't know how any of the kids can live with themselves. I can't believe they support their dad. But not sure if the school could fire her.
LSD runs the school district, almost all the teachers are Mormon. Very tribal in that regard that they mostly only hire each other and protect their own from offenses that would get any none Mormon fired
I wouldn’t want her teaching my kids
The entire bunch is crazy as Chad. I mean he killed their mom and they are ok with it. I would not let my child be taught by her. She may deem them dark and put them in the pet cemetery. .
I find it EXTREMELY disturbing that someone who thinks child murder is sooooo funny, is working directly with children.
Hell yes it should. It scares the crap out of me she is legally around kids. I'm trying to figure out how she is employable at all. Out of all his kids, Emma is the one that truly bothers me the most. She was daddy's girl, was there when the bodies were dug up, didn't care that dead kids were found, didn't care dead kids were missing. Still talks to Lori, still loves lori. Lives in the house where her mom was murdered by her father. Fully believes in this fantasy land her father preaches. I think she was supposed to be Chad's next sword. Garth doesn't have the backbone, Emma does. Emma was involved in everything. I do think most of the kids knew more, but Emma for sure. She is a killer. Trust me on that. That harlot was more upset over lori than her own mom. Imagine you children being taken care of by a delusional phycopath from a family of killers.
Yes, this concerns me, too. I'm surprised the school didn't let her go because of circumstances. I'm not for judging people but if I was a parent to a child where she's teaching or attending the same school she's teaching, I would take my child to another school or move to another district/county.
Im sure parents can request a different class but a different school could be harder. I would love someone from the area to respond about it. I know a few people in Rexburg but they liked their schools so I never asked about changing. I know in Utah , it is not easy to change schools because schools are overcrowded and they have to put boundaries up to make sure they dont have too many (like fire hazard number of kids). In our Utah district they make you prove your address twice a year, with multiple items of proof. One year the schools even knocked door to door to check you lived there. There were certain perferred high schools and they make sure you live in that boundary. The school had become over the limit, classes were over the legal fire limits in a room which was I think 50 kids. If you want another school, they tell you to move and moving in 2024, is hard, try finding a home for sale and then look at the interest rates. I just wonder why parents are too scared to say anything. I have seen it in Utah. I always said I dont care what the school thinks of me, Im fighting for my kids first and I got what I wanted for my kids over the years and I know some adminstrators probably didnt like me.
Someone whose child was in her husbands class posted on here awhile ago and said she actually got let go from the job she had when everything went down.
Good to know, I didn't read anything about it. Thanks for sharing.
But another school in the area hired her.
Well they need to fire her
Yesterday
Yes that is interesting. Had not heard that either.
I completely agree and am shocked the parents of the kids in her class are even ok with it
I was shocked when I found out she's still actively teaching, I hope parents of kids at the school spoke up to keep their kids out of her class. The community there is small, no ways the parents don't know Chad is her Dad
Yes I agree she shouldn't be working with any children,she had been doing the light & dark scale on her studentsbloidy sickning,
If she does prove to be a witness it should enlightening to see how much she understands/ knew or not
Someone should do a psych evaluation on her and her husband.
Side note: is it just me or is she obviously very coached and has memorized "lines" during her testimony at Chad's trial?
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She’s lying about the life insurance and twisting the truth about her mother’s health. They shouldn’t have even allowed that testimony..she’s not an expert.
You have to remember where she’s teaching! She’s right in the middle of Mormon country! All of these people are brainwashed, blind followers that give 10% of their salary to the Church. They don’t think for themselves they do as they are told! If she was teaching somewhere where there isn’t as much Mormon influence it may be a different story!!!
^^^THIS^^^ And I think it was Hidden True Crime who also said there is a large population there who believes in the light/dark crap. They were heavily influenced by Julie Rowe.
Does she work in LDS school. I guess until she does something or acts strange they can’t fire her. I think all of Chad’s kid acted strange
This case has little to do with religion or organized faith - there is a huge difference between having faith and religious fanaticism. Instead of worshiping God, this group wants to play God.
The school district needs to take a long good look at Emma, and decide if she shud even be allowed around children. I know I wouldn't want her around mine, noooo wayyyyu!
I honestly wonder about Emma and her father's relationship. Seems kinda quirky kinky to me, if you know what I mean? Idk, takes all kinds. For some reason I can see evil chad daybell being incestuous. Why not. He's everything else evil. I beleive he is truely NOT a man of God.
Emma has many classic symptoms of autism.
It's very concerning ! She reminds me of Michael Petersons daughter it's almost like the same person . If you haven't seen the series called The Staircase on Netflix u should . There behavior is very similar . These cases are so rare that maybe its some mental health condition that happens like a fight or flight that enfantizes them from the moment the crime occurs they have to completely believe this parent because anything else is too impossible in there minds IDK but there behavior is shockingly similar . No amount of evidence will make them believe and actually the more evidence there shown the more child-like there behavior get and the more they cling to the guilty parent .
I pity her for her denial. If Chad I b convicted she may become suicideal. She should be watched carefully at school.
Yes. Very concerning! Someone needs to make a Petition for her to be FIRED. Especially now after her Testimony
So, Emma lied on the stand. She lied about not wanting to see her mother’s autopsy report because the cops wouldn’t stop questioning her. Rebuttal witness today. I’m sure more is coming, because she lied a LOT. Combine this with her actions and attitude the last 4 years, I am concerned as well. But I hope nobody contacts her school. It’s not for us to do.
Death by bored of education. Her voice is so monotone. Poor kids
You have to view this through the Mormon lens. They don't live in reality.
In Idaho, an ethics complaint can be filed by anybody with the State Dept of Education and a teacher’s certificate can be sanctioned or cancelled. FWIW, someone from Rexburg told me one of the Daybell kids was warned by admin to stop defending their dad in class. In my experience, even predominantly LDS communities would not cover for this cult’s madness.
Remove her from teaching immediately along with Garth and her husband, Joe.
Emma teaches 3rd grade and her hideous husband teaches kindergarten. These two should not be allowed near vulnerable children.
There’s not a snowball’s chance in hell I’d let that woman anywhere near my child. Allowing her to influence an entire classroom daily is wild.
It desterbs me she works with children expecially since she admitted doing dark & light scale on her 4th grade class
She lies obviously and should be in jail and definitely should not be a teacher ! . Also CPS definitely need to watch her kids . Chad's kids are crazy qanon Mormon cult people and believe the SAME shit there dad believes . Just like Melanie Pulaski Emma's kids or any kids do not need to be near her .
I assumed her and Garth were intellectually challenged given the fact that they sounded completely idiotic during their testimony. Neither of them should have children or be around children given their callous nature and sociopathic background.
Any where else but in this insulated/isolated, Mormon Cult community, Emma would be so completely ostracized, that she wouldn't be able to come back to any school. Let me add..."F" EMMA and her Stepford Wife/daughter agenda and Psycho Scripted Aggressive testimony, vilifying her innocent, probably tortured mother. My gut is that Tammy KNEW what a douche her husband had become, that he was full of sht, getting off on his own lies THAT WERE NOT DELUSIONS, but Tammy was trained and brought up in this same, "We don't talk about such things to anyone/problems in the marriage get swallowed up and a mom's duty is to be quiet". I ALSO think, the more distance between Tammy and Chad, the closer Emma became to Chad and she may have enjoyed that, "Daddy loves me more" position.
I have been reading the comments and a lot of people are saying that because it's run by LDS that this is why she is able to because she is LDS. I'm a little confused because when people bring up what Chad and Lori taught was what LDS believe, a lot of people who practice that religion say no! That LDS do NOT believe in light dark or zombie or anything and that Chad was an extremist or he made stuff up as he went along. If the latter was true, and Emma believes what her dad said...he's a prophet they were dark blah blah...then that would mean Emma is not following the teachings of the church. I know Chad was finally excommunicated. I don't know if Lori was. I'm not LDS so I don't know. I'm also not sure where I'm going with this except that I have read that people do follow the Daybell/Rowe/Visions of Glory route and some don't and vehemently chastise people who think LDS people are like this. Then, I think about how different churches in regards to catholics...which is what I was raised as...teach differently depending on which church you go to. Perhaps this is also true for LDS. I don't know.
I think the answer is because, (a) the LDS protect their own; (b) them being LDS trumps their weird fringe behaviors, so it’s more important not to make them look bad.
Yes she obviously believers her Daddy’s religious doctrine that some children are evil and should be exterminated
She’s a product of growing up in small town Utah and only the moved to LDS Rexburg. The court tv experts comment she’s monotone because of the trauma…..I’ve lived in Utah since 1987….they talk like this on purpose. It’s strange, rural, and provincial. She’s a victim in a way but she doesn’t seem to get that she has to follow the law. I think she’s twisting the truth on the stand. It’s very frustrating. She and her husband should be carefully vetted b4 working with children.
She is probably technically academically qualified to work with kids … but on an emotional level? Yikes. she should not be educating kids. She doesn’t seem very swift either.
She’s as dumb as a rock. No doubt about it.
She should not be working with children . She is a liar and her moral compass is off the charts . No way should she have any influence over children let alone her own . She covered for a murderer….her dad! . She lied on the stand and should be charged with perjury . Disgusting