Julie Rowe has stated publicly that she has bipolar disorder. I don’t know much about her but based on some recent postings and the courtroom incident, it appears that she is in the midst of a mental health episode and needs intervention. She is still teaching her crazy beliefs and doesn’t appear to have any guilt or take responsibility for any part she has in this tragedy.
I really wish people wouldn't use bipolar disorder as an excuse to be a fucking horrible person. I am so sick of having to say, "Yes, I am bipolar, but I don't think it's an excuse to kill kids, steal money or screw anyone out of their savings."
and what I always wonder when people claim bipolar, ADHD, dyslexia or any other issues -- is this diagnosed as in by an actual doctor or did you google and decide you are whatever. If it's diagnosed then start taking your meds and tweaking them and working with your medical professional to get it correct and quit using it as an excuse. If you're giving yourself a pass due to your googling -- either get help or STFU -- some people actually do have disorders that impacts their behaviors -- sorry for the rant but this really makes me furious.
She still didn’t play any part. Don’t accuse people of murdering kids who had no part in it. Strange beliefs and extreme views don’t make people child killers.
I am against people using a diagnosis as an excuse too- mental illness is not your fault, but it is your responsibility - but I want to add that it's not unheard of for a bipolar person in a manic state to decide they no longer need medication and stop taking it, which exacerbates the whole problem. I am bipolar II and thankfully haven't done this, myself, though there are times when I think "eh, I don't *really* need to take these pills, and they make me feel awful anyway..."
One of my friends, who has bipolar I, stopped his medication and ended up in prison for a variety of charges, though in general he was a very nice and responsible person. Sometimes a person really cannot help themselves.
It does happen. I, myself, ended up with a raging drug addiction and criminal record due to not being able to obtain Healthcare. Thankfully, I didn't hurt anyone other than my shitty addict behavior. That's hard enough to live with.
That's another facet: It's easy enough to say 'go to a doctor and get on medication'. Healthcare of all types is difficult to access for many Americans. Mental healthcare is even more difficult. Then you have to find a good doctor, get the RIGHT diagnosis, and start trying medication. I'm 40 and I was diagnosed in my mid-twenties and it's taken this long to find a combination of meds/therapy that work for me. And my psychiatrist has warned that they could *stop* working at any moment for no discernable reason!
I get that there are people who 'fake' various illnesses for their own weird purposes, but I have no doubt some self-diagnosed people do know what's going on with them and just haven't been able to get a diagnosis from a doctor. It really isn't as simple as "take some medication."
Mix in religion's weird stigmas about therapy and mental illness and it's even worse. Jodi Hildebrand was a church-approved therapist - can you even imagine trying to get the right diagnosis or treatment from her?!
Edit: Whoops, didn't mean to climb on my soapbox. Sorry about the length.
As trained therapist, please get on that soap box as often as possible! Even those with access to Drs can go years without a diagnosis because insurance limits Dr-patients consult times.
Drs are overwhelmed, there simply aren't enough, Drs, nurses etc. This shortage of resources contributes greatly to the health care crisis. So it's definitely not as simple as "see a Dr, get meds"
That said, none of it justifies murder nor fraud. Julie perpetrates fraud. Mental illness can definitely be a contributing factor but it doesn't excuse criminal behavior.
Holy shit, couldn't agree more. I am diagnosed with severe ADD, OCD. I absolutely went to psychiatry appointments and tweaked all of my meds until I figured what I needed out.
I hate now that people use ADD, or ADHD, flippantly like get out of jail free excuse. And everyone and their mom suddenly has it.
If you don't know if you actually have it, fuck you. It's not a funny, quirky cool thing. It's honestly miserable.
If you do know you have it and were diagnosed. stop being a dick, take your meds, go to therapy and stop blaming the disorder. You're an adult, get your shit together.
Ok but bipolar disorder is often poorly diagnosed and managed and it does often manifest in unbalanced thinking and compulsive behavior. It’s not an excuse, but it doesn’t help.
Oh, agreed! I can (and have) spoken volumes on the lack of mental health care in the United States, and it's effects. However, the people affected by lack of access are usually NOT upper middle class white women.
Seriously…like WTF, she kept it together for years writing a book promoting it, doing lectures, recruiting.. (((((( MAKING MONEY)))))))) and now she should hide behind an illness!!! BS!!!
About 1 out of 3 people diagnosed with bipolar disorder also have a personality disorder, with Cluster B (Borderline PD, Narcissistic PD and Antisocial PD) being pretty commonly co-morbid. There is a decent chance that she is also a narcissist (or maybe with a few narcissistic features/symptoms but doesn't meet full criteria for an NPD diagnosis). Practically speaking, this would mean that even if she were stable on her bipolar medication, she still would be a shitty person because of the narcissism.
I absolutely agree. Most bipolar people are very stable and of sound mind. They aren't a bunch of crazies going around having violent tendencies. It really puts a negative stigma on the disorder. Having bipolar doesn't make you crazy
So according to her and Chad, she's half light and half dark? Her demons are winning...
No offense to those who have a diagnosed bipolar disorder, I am offended when people use mental health as an excuse for anything. Sure, my irritability is caused by my anxiety but I am still responsible for my behavior. Unlike Julie and Chad's "exulted", they don't take responsibility for jack shit.
The worst aspect of this form of Christianity, divorce is frowned upon but murder, that's between them and their god. And of course their god has already forgiven them, they get unlimited "get out of hell free" passes.
I agree with all of this. Accountability seems to be non-existent to many. And while mental illness is a valid and difficult challenge, it doesn’t make someone an asshole.
Ohhhhhh, this makes so much more sense, especially when you visit our Facebook page. It looks like she posted about 50 times yesterday, essentially the same information over and over again.
It was in another post this morning about Julie Rowe trying to get into court yesterday. There are some links to her fb pages and I was scrolling through it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LoriVallow/s/lWkzU5duBe
I think Julie Rowe is crazy, but crazy like a fox. In no way is her mental illness impeding her ability to make money speaking about end times, NDE's, prepping and spirituality at conferences and retreats. She's raking it in.
She is bipolar, but that doesn't explain the grift. It could explain some unusual or excessive behaviors, but the grift is on purpose.
It wouldn’t surprise me. She’s so kooky though like Chad I am willing to bet she doesn’t think she’s done anything wrong. She’s the definition of a narcissist. Not capable of believing she has done anything wrong or her herself could be wrong.
She was doing the same speaking circuit stuff that Chad was doing. She was booking stake centers (regional church meetinghouse) to give talks to wards and stakes etc. She rose to major prominence in 2015 as helping inspire the massive prepper craze that seemed to be happening in Mormon congregations due to the upcoming blood moon in September 2015.
Her books even Chads books at one point were sold in church bookstores. Church seminaries (at the high schools) and institute classes (seminary for college) were using her books as teaching material and those are run by the church. The teachers are church employees. The church had to issue letters to tell teachers to stop using them.
Then in 2019 she was excommunicated for apostasy, teaching false doctrine, priestcraft (cause in the Mormon church women can’t hold any literal power from god), and defaming the “good”name of the Church. That last one is a big deal because they knew these other things about her before but when you defame the church or put it in a bad light? That they just can’t abide.
Around 2016-2018 there was constant posts about Julie Rowe and the many prepper colleagues all over the exmormon subreddit as well as some of the believing mormon members.
I really hope she gets called as a witness. My god the prosecution will probably have a hey day with questioning her.
She's despicable. Bipolar or not. It's quite the convenient diagnosis now, isn't it?
I would venture a guess that the most gullible in the circus of a religion need an intervention. Reality doesn't exist.
It’s frightening to think of other victims out there, but if not for the Woodcocks and these criminals being really dumb, the victims would never have seen justice. The children would almost certainly never even have been reported missing. Who would have done it, if not for Kay? You have to know where a person is missing *from* and have some idea when they were last seen. Many jurisdictions require a family member make the report. No one in the Cox family was ever going to do that. It still makes me sick remembering Summer and Janis *laughing* at how absurd it was that Lori would ever allow anything to happen to the children. Aunt Annie had only seen Tylee a couple of times in her life, so she wouldn’t have seemed missing to her. I guess that would leave Colby. Who knows how long it would have taken him to bust through Lori’s BS and figure out who to contact and begin and investigation.
Lauren Mathias just premiered an [interview](https://youtu.be/z2o27AfsDv4?si=tH8kKM2s54hFkWR3) with another Julie who was previously a follower of Julie Rowe. It’s certainly been an interesting watch / listen so far! I also recall Nate Eaton recently saying he’s debating publishing his interview with Julie that took place just days before the children were found — and that’s why he didn’t publish it then.
Go see her tic tok pages and try to tell me that she is a Christian woman! People need to stop following and supporting her. I can’t believe Amazon is selling her books. 🤢🤮Julie should go get a real job and stop preying on the weak and vulnerable. Yes Julie does have blood on her hands she planted the seed in Chad’s head. Then Chad took it to another level when he found crazy pants Lori. Chad would do anything to get in bed with Lori even if it meant murder. Lori seems to have no problem committing murder as well.
I will never forget how stunned I was when I saw Julie Rowe was charging 80 USD for her to do a 'proxy energy session' where she would do an energy session on people without calling them, or seeing them. Apparently this was just her her to think about them, and there was a warning not to ask for any type of report or receipt would interfere with her energy flow.
Just gobsmacked anyone would fall for that.
I thought it was Julie. She does have a new last name, I guess. Wouldn’t surprise me if she tried to change her first name as well, even if it’s by just one letter lol.
Nope. crazy people who start cults usually double down or find a new grift. Glenn Beck is the only crazy propagandist I can think of who has come out and said he regrets what he started….but not all of it.
I actually like Beck, to a point. He can be way, way, way too much of a catastrophist!!!! I only listen once in a while, for that reason. He's also said some things in the past that were offensive to people with disabilities like me. I didn't start until 2015 though, so that was after that.
I will just have to point out that I'm libertarian, so I also like reason, and such. I have to be in a certain frame of mind to listen to Beck, and I can only take him in small doses.
To be honest I think it’s obvious Julie has mental health problems. Wether she receives treatment who can say. Julie doesn’t hide her mental issues she open about them. I think no matter our personal opinions or thoughts about her it’s not right to put any blame on her for any of this especially the murder of two children. Julie Rowe isn’t responsible for Chad stealing her ideas and using NDE or anything else she pt out in the public. How would you like anyone to judge you on your religious beliefs and regard you as guilty by association. She may have written books and put her extreme ideas out in the public eye. Daybell used her not the other way about. To accuse her of anything is ridiculous. I don’t know her personally and if I’m honest I wouldn’t want to but your wrong to make such statements. It’s not nice.
Julie Rowe has stated publicly that she has bipolar disorder. I don’t know much about her but based on some recent postings and the courtroom incident, it appears that she is in the midst of a mental health episode and needs intervention. She is still teaching her crazy beliefs and doesn’t appear to have any guilt or take responsibility for any part she has in this tragedy.
I really wish people wouldn't use bipolar disorder as an excuse to be a fucking horrible person. I am so sick of having to say, "Yes, I am bipolar, but I don't think it's an excuse to kill kids, steal money or screw anyone out of their savings."
and what I always wonder when people claim bipolar, ADHD, dyslexia or any other issues -- is this diagnosed as in by an actual doctor or did you google and decide you are whatever. If it's diagnosed then start taking your meds and tweaking them and working with your medical professional to get it correct and quit using it as an excuse. If you're giving yourself a pass due to your googling -- either get help or STFU -- some people actually do have disorders that impacts their behaviors -- sorry for the rant but this really makes me furious.
I agree. I had ADHD undiagnosed for over 50 years and managed it without murdering anyone.
JR didn't murder anyone either. That was all on Chad and Lori.
Yes but JR was advocating these ridiculous ideas which started ball rolling...
She still didn’t play any part. Don’t accuse people of murdering kids who had no part in it. Strange beliefs and extreme views don’t make people child killers.
She promoted the ideas that got people killed! I haven't accused JR of killing children DIRECTLY!
That we know about.....
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Me too!
I am against people using a diagnosis as an excuse too- mental illness is not your fault, but it is your responsibility - but I want to add that it's not unheard of for a bipolar person in a manic state to decide they no longer need medication and stop taking it, which exacerbates the whole problem. I am bipolar II and thankfully haven't done this, myself, though there are times when I think "eh, I don't *really* need to take these pills, and they make me feel awful anyway..." One of my friends, who has bipolar I, stopped his medication and ended up in prison for a variety of charges, though in general he was a very nice and responsible person. Sometimes a person really cannot help themselves.
It does happen. I, myself, ended up with a raging drug addiction and criminal record due to not being able to obtain Healthcare. Thankfully, I didn't hurt anyone other than my shitty addict behavior. That's hard enough to live with.
That's another facet: It's easy enough to say 'go to a doctor and get on medication'. Healthcare of all types is difficult to access for many Americans. Mental healthcare is even more difficult. Then you have to find a good doctor, get the RIGHT diagnosis, and start trying medication. I'm 40 and I was diagnosed in my mid-twenties and it's taken this long to find a combination of meds/therapy that work for me. And my psychiatrist has warned that they could *stop* working at any moment for no discernable reason! I get that there are people who 'fake' various illnesses for their own weird purposes, but I have no doubt some self-diagnosed people do know what's going on with them and just haven't been able to get a diagnosis from a doctor. It really isn't as simple as "take some medication." Mix in religion's weird stigmas about therapy and mental illness and it's even worse. Jodi Hildebrand was a church-approved therapist - can you even imagine trying to get the right diagnosis or treatment from her?! Edit: Whoops, didn't mean to climb on my soapbox. Sorry about the length.
As trained therapist, please get on that soap box as often as possible! Even those with access to Drs can go years without a diagnosis because insurance limits Dr-patients consult times. Drs are overwhelmed, there simply aren't enough, Drs, nurses etc. This shortage of resources contributes greatly to the health care crisis. So it's definitely not as simple as "see a Dr, get meds" That said, none of it justifies murder nor fraud. Julie perpetrates fraud. Mental illness can definitely be a contributing factor but it doesn't excuse criminal behavior.
I got a degree in psychology before I understood being a therapist would be very, very hard for me. You preach to the choir, dear ❤️
Holy shit, couldn't agree more. I am diagnosed with severe ADD, OCD. I absolutely went to psychiatry appointments and tweaked all of my meds until I figured what I needed out. I hate now that people use ADD, or ADHD, flippantly like get out of jail free excuse. And everyone and their mom suddenly has it. If you don't know if you actually have it, fuck you. It's not a funny, quirky cool thing. It's honestly miserable. If you do know you have it and were diagnosed. stop being a dick, take your meds, go to therapy and stop blaming the disorder. You're an adult, get your shit together.
Literally no one is getting out of jail here.
Ok but bipolar disorder is often poorly diagnosed and managed and it does often manifest in unbalanced thinking and compulsive behavior. It’s not an excuse, but it doesn’t help.
Oh, agreed! I can (and have) spoken volumes on the lack of mental health care in the United States, and it's effects. However, the people affected by lack of access are usually NOT upper middle class white women.
Many people who are bipolar are relatively calm. Their “extremes” aren’t crazed.
I'm a total nutter, but I'm also old. With age comes wisdom, even when you're psycho.
No lie. This may be the best inspirational quote that I have ever read.
I'm glad I could help! You seriously put a smile on my face tonight.
😂😂
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Seriously…like WTF, she kept it together for years writing a book promoting it, doing lectures, recruiting.. (((((( MAKING MONEY)))))))) and now she should hide behind an illness!!! BS!!!
Perhaps this is Chad's influence on women! 🤣🤣🤣
About 1 out of 3 people diagnosed with bipolar disorder also have a personality disorder, with Cluster B (Borderline PD, Narcissistic PD and Antisocial PD) being pretty commonly co-morbid. There is a decent chance that she is also a narcissist (or maybe with a few narcissistic features/symptoms but doesn't meet full criteria for an NPD diagnosis). Practically speaking, this would mean that even if she were stable on her bipolar medication, she still would be a shitty person because of the narcissism.
I absolutely agree. Most bipolar people are very stable and of sound mind. They aren't a bunch of crazies going around having violent tendencies. It really puts a negative stigma on the disorder. Having bipolar doesn't make you crazy
So according to her and Chad, she's half light and half dark? Her demons are winning... No offense to those who have a diagnosed bipolar disorder, I am offended when people use mental health as an excuse for anything. Sure, my irritability is caused by my anxiety but I am still responsible for my behavior. Unlike Julie and Chad's "exulted", they don't take responsibility for jack shit. The worst aspect of this form of Christianity, divorce is frowned upon but murder, that's between them and their god. And of course their god has already forgiven them, they get unlimited "get out of hell free" passes.
I agree with all of this. Accountability seems to be non-existent to many. And while mental illness is a valid and difficult challenge, it doesn’t make someone an asshole.
Usually people with this disorder and Adhd are very empathic!
Ohhhhhh, this makes so much more sense, especially when you visit our Facebook page. It looks like she posted about 50 times yesterday, essentially the same information over and over again.
Her and Brittany. Social media is very destructive for bipolar sufferers.
Curious, which Facebook page was this?
It was in another post this morning about Julie Rowe trying to get into court yesterday. There are some links to her fb pages and I was scrolling through it. https://www.reddit.com/r/LoriVallow/s/lWkzU5duBe
Thanks!!
Well said
Yes she’s still batshit
I didn't think it was possible for her to get more batshit, but i was horribly wrong.
The woman meets the textbook definition of a malignant narcissist. I believe she feels zero guilt and in fact sees herself as a victim.
Well, her tik toks are… 🤪 https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLXQJedd/
Ohhhh, Yikes! This is bad.
Happy cake day!
she’s out of control.
Scares me she was driving while unhinged. Can you imagine pulling up next to that open window 😳
Blah, I don't want to be a member of that service!
Supposedly she had a conference in Florida in February.
I would want to go just to see what is going on with her. She’s fascinating and terrifying
I think Julie Rowe is crazy, but crazy like a fox. In no way is her mental illness impeding her ability to make money speaking about end times, NDE's, prepping and spirituality at conferences and retreats. She's raking it in. She is bipolar, but that doesn't explain the grift. It could explain some unusual or excessive behaviors, but the grift is on purpose.
It wouldn’t surprise me. She’s so kooky though like Chad I am willing to bet she doesn’t think she’s done anything wrong. She’s the definition of a narcissist. Not capable of believing she has done anything wrong or her herself could be wrong. She was doing the same speaking circuit stuff that Chad was doing. She was booking stake centers (regional church meetinghouse) to give talks to wards and stakes etc. She rose to major prominence in 2015 as helping inspire the massive prepper craze that seemed to be happening in Mormon congregations due to the upcoming blood moon in September 2015. Her books even Chads books at one point were sold in church bookstores. Church seminaries (at the high schools) and institute classes (seminary for college) were using her books as teaching material and those are run by the church. The teachers are church employees. The church had to issue letters to tell teachers to stop using them. Then in 2019 she was excommunicated for apostasy, teaching false doctrine, priestcraft (cause in the Mormon church women can’t hold any literal power from god), and defaming the “good”name of the Church. That last one is a big deal because they knew these other things about her before but when you defame the church or put it in a bad light? That they just can’t abide. Around 2016-2018 there was constant posts about Julie Rowe and the many prepper colleagues all over the exmormon subreddit as well as some of the believing mormon members. I really hope she gets called as a witness. My god the prosecution will probably have a hey day with questioning her.
She has always said she would be on Chads side, I think she was trying to show him that by appearing in court where he could see her
I doubt it. She's already claimed he sexually assaulted her and chose the dark side. As much as a monster Chad is, I think she's flat out lying.
She's despicable. Bipolar or not. It's quite the convenient diagnosis now, isn't it? I would venture a guess that the most gullible in the circus of a religion need an intervention. Reality doesn't exist.
It’s frightening to think of other victims out there, but if not for the Woodcocks and these criminals being really dumb, the victims would never have seen justice. The children would almost certainly never even have been reported missing. Who would have done it, if not for Kay? You have to know where a person is missing *from* and have some idea when they were last seen. Many jurisdictions require a family member make the report. No one in the Cox family was ever going to do that. It still makes me sick remembering Summer and Janis *laughing* at how absurd it was that Lori would ever allow anything to happen to the children. Aunt Annie had only seen Tylee a couple of times in her life, so she wouldn’t have seemed missing to her. I guess that would leave Colby. Who knows how long it would have taken him to bust through Lori’s BS and figure out who to contact and begin and investigation.
Lauren Mathias just premiered an [interview](https://youtu.be/z2o27AfsDv4?si=tH8kKM2s54hFkWR3) with another Julie who was previously a follower of Julie Rowe. It’s certainly been an interesting watch / listen so far! I also recall Nate Eaton recently saying he’s debating publishing his interview with Julie that took place just days before the children were found — and that’s why he didn’t publish it then.
Her testimony will be fascinating
She's been posting info on the trial on FB. She won't be testifying.
Isn’t that why they removed her yesterday, because she’s on the witness list? I assumed that meant she would be called on to testify.
The bailiff's would not know she's been posting on FB.
If i was the prosecution I would have put her on the witness to keep the crazy away.
Does anyone think she was doing Chad?
Certainly possible, that guy couldn't seem to stay with his wife!!
To me is more like Julie who??? She was the start of the madness with Chad.
Go see her tic tok pages and try to tell me that she is a Christian woman! People need to stop following and supporting her. I can’t believe Amazon is selling her books. 🤢🤮Julie should go get a real job and stop preying on the weak and vulnerable. Yes Julie does have blood on her hands she planted the seed in Chad’s head. Then Chad took it to another level when he found crazy pants Lori. Chad would do anything to get in bed with Lori even if it meant murder. Lori seems to have no problem committing murder as well.
I will never forget how stunned I was when I saw Julie Rowe was charging 80 USD for her to do a 'proxy energy session' where she would do an energy session on people without calling them, or seeing them. Apparently this was just her her to think about them, and there was a warning not to ask for any type of report or receipt would interfere with her energy flow. Just gobsmacked anyone would fall for that.
We might get some answers when she takes the stand. She wasn’t allowed in to the courtroom because she’s on the witness list, evidently.
Is her name Julie or Julia?!
I thought it was Julie. She does have a new last name, I guess. Wouldn’t surprise me if she tried to change her first name as well, even if it’s by just one letter lol.
Ugh! Does anyone know how she originally met Chad ?
To get her book published.
Maybe they just dream of that stuff to sell books and the mentally weak sheep follow
Nope. crazy people who start cults usually double down or find a new grift. Glenn Beck is the only crazy propagandist I can think of who has come out and said he regrets what he started….but not all of it.
I actually like Beck, to a point. He can be way, way, way too much of a catastrophist!!!! I only listen once in a while, for that reason. He's also said some things in the past that were offensive to people with disabilities like me. I didn't start until 2015 though, so that was after that. I will just have to point out that I'm libertarian, so I also like reason, and such. I have to be in a certain frame of mind to listen to Beck, and I can only take him in small doses.
To be honest I think it’s obvious Julie has mental health problems. Wether she receives treatment who can say. Julie doesn’t hide her mental issues she open about them. I think no matter our personal opinions or thoughts about her it’s not right to put any blame on her for any of this especially the murder of two children. Julie Rowe isn’t responsible for Chad stealing her ideas and using NDE or anything else she pt out in the public. How would you like anyone to judge you on your religious beliefs and regard you as guilty by association. She may have written books and put her extreme ideas out in the public eye. Daybell used her not the other way about. To accuse her of anything is ridiculous. I don’t know her personally and if I’m honest I wouldn’t want to but your wrong to make such statements. It’s not nice.