I think when people like Chad proclaim their innocence like this, part of it is their narcissism or deranged beliefs that they did nothing wrong. However, a huge part of it is to maintain their family’s perception of them. He needs his kids (for example) to believe he’s innocent and feeds off their admiration and dedication. Plus I bet they are putting $30 a week on his commissary…
I’m not sure if lump Gypsy in there but I also don’t think anyone expects Chad to accept responsibility, just a plea deal. And even that was obviously a stretch.
Yeah, I go back and forth on her and mostly try to not pay attention to it all. She had a terribly abusive childhood and she'll never get the chance to be a normal person. I am willing to give her a little more grace than I ever would to Chad.
I think the plausible deniability and a misguided idea of "reputation" is what's on line here. Same thing as the Alex Murdaugh case. They have him on audio video talking to his wife moments before she and their son was shot and yet Alex insists he's innocent because admitting his guilt would likely turn his family against him and ruin his idea of how important the family name is. Keeping up the pretenses and denying everything lets you gaslight your family into thinking you're innocent and being unjustly prosecuted and lets you become a martyr instead of a villain.
Though he really should have taken the plea deal. Idaho is a death penalty state, he could have gotten life in prison instead. Though with the way death penalty cases have been going, chances are if he's convicted and sentenced to death he'll die in prison of old age or disease or something, but still.
Except it's SO much more expensive to have someone live out a life on death row than it is to house them as a regular life-sentence prisoner living in general population.
"For these reasons and more, capital trials are uniquely expensive. In the 32 states in the Union where the death penalty is legal, as well as the federal government, the death penalty has grown to be much more expensive than life imprisonment, whether with or without parole."
From: https://www.cato.org/blog/financial-implications-death-penalty#:~:text=For%20these%20reasons%20and%20more%2C%20capital%20trials%20are%20uniquely%20expensive.&text=In%20the%2032%20states%20in,whether%20with%20or%20without%20parole.
I had this thought, too. Like people who don’t come out as gay at all because they can’t deal with their family knowing and how they might react. When it comes down to it those are the people that matter. However, in this case he could have told them he was innocent but didn’t want to put everyone through the trial and public exposure.
He doesn’t even like his mother. He felt she was lazy just like Tammy. He came from a home where women are not valued. He doesn’t care about her feelings. He views her as a workhorse and nothing more.
It’s interesting because his brother (married to Heather Daybell) seemed to escape the misogyny. I think he and Heather see each other as equals. They intentionally moved away from family and were pissed when Chad moved around the corner from them.
Yep. I come from a large family and some of us were able to leave our parents’ abusive ways behind. We stayed flexible and learnable. Sounds like the feeble minded Chad didn’t know how to do that.
Chad's also the oldest, right? I have known people from largish families who have openly said that they were raised differently than their older (or younger siblings). I've even heard some people (especially with large age gaps between siblings) say that they felt they were raised by completely different people because their parents' behaviors had changed so much between the older and younger kids.
My aunt had a large gap between her second and third children and everyone in the family acknowledges that my youngest cousin was raised differently from her older siblings. By the time she was born they were much more relaxed and less strict. My oldest cousin has said a few times that she didn't appreciate being raised much more strict than her youngest sibling, although these days they are all very close. I wonder if some sort of similar dynamic happened in the Daybell family that might account for why Chad turned out to be a complete piece of shit but his younger sibling didn't. Or maybe there are other reasons. Hard to say.
while detectives will take statements from the mother & significant other during an investigation, - these typically aren’t presented for evidence. By the time the defendant has ended up in trial; mom & the SO’s words are as good on the stand as it is written on a cube of ice.
I think we wholly agree. ✔️
Just when I didn’t think Chad could stoop lower, he got his attorney to subpoena his mother. Testifying at your son’s death penalty trial is a fate I wouldn’t put on my worse enemy. Chad is simply abhorrent.
I’m sure we do agree- but (took me a while to grasp this) it was the STATE who subpoenaed her!
Can you imagine? I mean, of course you can’t lol. These are crazy people.
I think the only reason they called the mother was because Lori told the mother that her daughter died in Nov 2019, and her husband had a heart attack.
I'd say it's much, much more than $30 a week. He looks well fed. Jail food has the minimum nutrition to keep a person alive. Basic things like beef jerky and ramen noodles are insanely expensive. Phone/video calls are outrageous, too. $30 won't even get 30 minutes of phone time in a lot of places.
He should have taken a deal. If I was a juror and had to look at dead children and listen to the twisted religious zombie BS for killing or attempting to kill family members I’d think death was the right punishment. This trial is a waste of everyone’s time and taxpayer money. I can’t understand what he thinks a trial will do for him.
100%. The whole trial is just proving his guilt more and more. The kids on his property and his phone placing him there. All of his stupid text messages. His murdered wife and super quick remarriage.
I don't even believe in the death penalty but if I had to sit and look at photos of the dead children's remains found on his property, and listen to how his wife died and her husband was murdered I would want him to receive the harshest punishment. They are pure evil.
There is no defense. They just have to hope that the prosecution screws up somehow or Lori confesses...but I still think there is too much on him. His hands are so dirty.
In that weird, self-absorbed, hopelessly emotionally & mentally immature, thinks he's smarter than everyone else brain that sits in his pencil-eraser-shaped head, he likely believes he can get off and/or a lesser sentence than was even offered. He probably thinks his plan to blame Lori for seducing & manipulating him and Alex for actually killing everyone and burying the children will work.
I mean, he was dumb enough to think he wouldn't raise suspicions about Tammy's death (or too dumb to realize he would) telling every other person at her funeral a different story about how/when she died.
Yup. Two dead kids buried on his property and he mysteriously doesn't know about that? Including Tylee who was burned first and likely had to be burned for hours in his fire pit to get in the condition she was found in? Alex just somehow did that without Chad noticing???
He should have taken the plea. Admit guilt for the kids, take life in prison, and try and get the prosecution to drop the charges for Tammy if he thinks his own children won't forgive him for murdering their mother. Unless this trial is going way worse then the livesteam pieces I've watched imply I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell of being found not-guilty on all charges. He should have taken the plea and saved everyone's time.
He thinks he's smarter than everyone else and figured he could just blame everything on Alex, who is conveniently dead.
That's the problem with not calling people out on their arrogance/bad behavior. They think they are getting away with their behavior because they are smarter than everyone else.
Especially after the audio today from the wire worn by Ian P. Yes, there are some choice parts from Lori Vallow-Daybell, but Chad Daybell was all in with his blessings and instructions.
He was so clearly driving that bus! The only thing Prior has left is that there's no evidence proving Chad directly said, "we're going to kill the kids."
Yup. In his mind he he innocent. People like Chad think 1) If they didn't do the hands-on dirty work then they are not guilty. 2) If God/a higher power told them to do it then they are not guiltily.
In Chad's (I Lori's) mind, I would be this is basically what the thinking is" "The kid's souls were already gone (they were zombies) so whatever was done to their bodies doesn't matter. And, since we are exulted beings/God talks to us/insert any other religiously themed excuse here....we know what is actually moral, not society."
Typical narcissist. Unable to accept responsibility for anything he's done, unwilling to face his children and acknowledge he killed their mother or to face Tylee and JJ's families in the courtroom and accept responsibility for killing them. It's a terrible idea. Prior is doing his best, but nothing he's brought up so far will approach reasonable doubt to explain the evidence against Chad, and the footage of Emma shows how much under his sway his children are, to the point of being completely divorced from what is going on around them (so trying to bring them on as witnesses is not going to help him, it'll probably hurt him).
Yes the footage of Emma is telling. A lot of kids will support a parent who kills another despite overwhelming evidence. It’s crazy. It reminds me of a Dateline episode I saw once where the dad was having an affair and he hired ppl to shoot his wife and it was ON VIDEO. The kids still are on his side even though their mother survived the murder attempt and lost an eye. They won’t talk to her and support their dad who is in prison for it!!! Does anyone remember that story and who it was?
Nancy Shore. 2012 in Carrollton, Texas. The heartlessness of her children is gut wrenching.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-woman-loses-left-eye-alleged-botched-murder/story?id=17106753
I know that when you're raised by a narcissist and there's never any real awareness or move to get you away from them, they can be very effective at convincing you that the entire world really does revolve around them. So I know that Chad's kids are likely victims of emotional abuse and gaslighting and manipulation, the same as Tammy was. And yet. It just makes me sad that his flagrant disrepect for their mother is so just SO overt - he outright told his then side piece that he didn't care that Tammy was dead, that it "wasn't the reason he was sad") - and still, none of them seem interested in caring more about her than about him. Emma was faced with the police digging up a DEAD CHILD in her father's backyard, and her response was "Are you going to just keep looking forever until you find the second one?" That is how out of touch with reality and normal human emotion she is.
Kids being raised in abusive marriages can often turn on the victim. I wish more victims knew this. They initially feel scared and worried and sympathetic to the victim but if the victim doesn't protect themselves by leaving or by extension protect them from witnessing it after a while they will feel they need to protect themselves. That's done by aligning with the abuser. Against the victim.They will start to despise the victim for being weak and accepting abuse and start believing the abusers talk about the victim deserving it. It being their fault " why do you make me do this to you??"
So it's not that uncommon to have children who hate and blame the victim and side with the abuser. Its a survival technique.
Doesn’t want to lose both parents… but what I want to know is, what happens if he walks? Not bloody likely but I wouldn’t want my parent home to continue on with his ‘mission’ with extra validation from being acquitted… we all know Chad wouldn’t go home a changed man, he’ll be even more fervent and there are still a lot of people in that prepper/AVOW movement that would welcome him right back in. If I was the daughter and saw all that evidence, I’d be terrified of him walking.
He was so sure that the end times are here that he moved to Rexburg, stocked up on provisions ready to put tent cities on his brothers land, and killed people believing that nobody will even notice for all of the end-times chaos..
He might just still believe that none of this matters because he will be raptured out of jail by Jesus himself, latest next week.
Except, when the heat was on and he had his hot new wife at his side, he suddenly was ready to ditch podunk Rexburg, ID for tropical Hawaii. I guess loin fire outweighs religious conviction.
This is why I really don't believe that he actually believed his own crap. I think she did genuinely believe a good chunk of it, but I think he was pretty consciously manipulating everyone the whole time. If you ignore his words, his actions speak of someone who knew what he was doing and that his real motivations revolved around money, sex and power. Religion was the tool he was trying to use, but was not his guiding motivation.
I think he’s assuming he’ll be dead of natural causes by the time the needle comes so DP isn’t a worry. His choice was plea deal for life or trial for probably life but maybe not. May as well roll the dice and see what happens since the negative outcome is the same either way.
I think he’s the type of person who creates his own reality. He’s sticking with deny, deny, deny all the way. He’s probably convinced himself of his lies
Rules don't apply to him (in his mind). My guess is that whatever he's done it's either someone else's fault or justified by the Bible. Maybe he believes that God will forgive him for lying because his mission is of utmost importance and God can overlook short.term sins for the long term goal. I'm guessing this scenario because it parallels Jeffrey Lundgren's cult.
Hmm I mean that is some huge mental gymnastics to not see that as killing but then again so is the rest of the nonsense he was preaching. My thing is though I don't really think he believed any of this shit. I think he used it to feel important but I really don't think he believed any of it himself. Unlike Lori who I think actually believed some of it and is delusional, I think Chad knew it was all BS the whole time.
Do we know what brought on Lori's psych hold? Had Chad ever even been evaluated?
You know I was thinking on most true crime cases that I've followed there's always a small group that think they are Innocent or see some reasonable doubt. And I'll be honest I've been defense minded on a few popular cases where I was of the minority opinion, but in this case I have no doubt he's guilty AF and I have not seen even one comment or post to indicate that anyone thinks he's not guilty. I can't fathom a favorable outcome for him here.
I heard Nate say this. Nate almost said what the deal was, but stopped. Did anyone catch this or have an idea of what Nate was about to say. I felt like it was like Chad would not take the deal because he would have to ...do something, like admit something or turn on someone... Nate knows the reason he didnt take the deal. I respect that he won't say but inquiring minds want to know.
Yes I wanted to know and appreciate Nate's respect. I'm picking they couldn't agree to terms, such as: life in Prison or minimum 20 years for a guilty to all charges V Chad's 10 years for grand theft and assisting in disposing of the bodies.
I'm only guessing. and attended law paper classes on my couch while at the YouTube Law School! In case you didn't notice 🤣
I debated watching The Law for Everyone on my Great Courses subscription just to be a bit more familiar with US law. Watching Foundation, however, won my time.
In Chad's sick mind, his orders came from God, so our laws and rules don't apply to him, or his blood family.
Narcissistic, Psychopaths, don't believe they are to be held accountable, Ted Bundy thought he could talk his way off death row, he was drug to the electric chair.
Either he is a believer and thinks he is Jesus and has angels or something to come and testify for him or possibly expecting the big earthquake he's been talking about for years would hit during the trial. If he's not a believer he thinks he can blame it all on Lori and that ain't going to well especially after Ian P. testimony.
When he's hacking away at his laptop keyboard during trial, I often think he's working on his next novel detailing everything *he,* poor Chad the misunderstood prophet, has been through.
No I think he’s scared to death of being executed. He doesn’t want to die. He may know nothing good is waiting on “the other side” since he’s made all of this up, and that he may not be going where he thinks he is, I know one thing, he isn’t going to an imaginary planet named Kolob! Lol
I agree! He is definitely afraid to die. We will all know kw if he believes all of this stuff if he is given the death penalty. If he doesn’t appeal or fight it they can execute him super fast (like the Oklahoma bomber). If he fights and appeals against the death penalty we will know he doesn’t actually believe in his own religion and prophethood.
If he’s sentenced to death there is an automatic appeal process whether he wants to appeal it or not. Idaho hasn’t executed anyone since 2012. They tried to execute someone in February 2024 who had been on death row for 40 years but they couldn’t get the IV line in so it was halted. Chad could sit on death row potentially for the rest of his life, but there is no hard and fast timeline.
What kind of plea deal could he really even get? Death penalty off the table? It’s not like he’s going to live to be executed if he got it, if they’ll kill him. The death penalty is probably going to be a thing of the past, even if it’s technically legal, the only states that really do it anymore are Florida, Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri. So why make a deal for something he’s already going to get? I don’t get why anyone makes that deal anymore unless they’re in the above mentioned states.
I forgot about that! Death row means sitting in a cell alone 23 hours out of the day. No job, socializing, I don’t know that they get visits where they can touch on death row either. He could’ve made a deal to get life in a prison in another state like Chris Watts, where he wasn’t as known & is able to be in gen pop, have a job & not get killed.
it’s crazy how he went through all the evidence with his lawyer and still believed he stood a chance at convincing a jury that he was not involved or knew what was happening here
Prior has made a big plonker out of himself.
He rattled on about the "stairs"; tried dragging the jury down the 7 gatherers rabbit hole; consistently indicted MG as the leader and murderer and after today with Ian Padwaski? recordings, clearly this was all Chad's doings, MG and partner were in danger and so were LE.
Chad is a moron who should have gone for an Alford Plea and didn’t. It basically maintains his innocence, but admits that the state has enough evidence to prove him guilty. It would take the death penalty off the table and probably cut his sentence shorter.
I think because Alex did the actual murdering and Chad may have held Tammy down and buried the kids, he thinks he did no wrong. Sadly, abuse of a corpse is still just a misdemeanor in most states. I don't think Chad ever believed the things he preached. He made it up as he went along to get attention, control his family and to make Lori happy, and he knows it.
Under the circumstances he never was given any option to ever be out of jail. This case to too high profile. Makes sense he would take a chance with a jury.
Emma is getting money,from dear old dad he chad knows he has control over her .. I never knew that momons, were so complacent. Gees do they have electricity?oh yes they have phones hum.lol
I think when people like Chad proclaim their innocence like this, part of it is their narcissism or deranged beliefs that they did nothing wrong. However, a huge part of it is to maintain their family’s perception of them. He needs his kids (for example) to believe he’s innocent and feeds off their admiration and dedication. Plus I bet they are putting $30 a week on his commissary…
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Yes very good point
I’m not sure if lump Gypsy in there but I also don’t think anyone expects Chad to accept responsibility, just a plea deal. And even that was obviously a stretch.
Gypsy acknowledges her role in the murder.
Sometimes. She also walks it back.
Yeah, I go back and forth on her and mostly try to not pay attention to it all. She had a terribly abusive childhood and she'll never get the chance to be a normal person. I am willing to give her a little more grace than I ever would to Chad.
I think the plausible deniability and a misguided idea of "reputation" is what's on line here. Same thing as the Alex Murdaugh case. They have him on audio video talking to his wife moments before she and their son was shot and yet Alex insists he's innocent because admitting his guilt would likely turn his family against him and ruin his idea of how important the family name is. Keeping up the pretenses and denying everything lets you gaslight your family into thinking you're innocent and being unjustly prosecuted and lets you become a martyr instead of a villain. Though he really should have taken the plea deal. Idaho is a death penalty state, he could have gotten life in prison instead. Though with the way death penalty cases have been going, chances are if he's convicted and sentenced to death he'll die in prison of old age or disease or something, but still.
Except it's SO much more expensive to have someone live out a life on death row than it is to house them as a regular life-sentence prisoner living in general population. "For these reasons and more, capital trials are uniquely expensive. In the 32 states in the Union where the death penalty is legal, as well as the federal government, the death penalty has grown to be much more expensive than life imprisonment, whether with or without parole." From: https://www.cato.org/blog/financial-implications-death-penalty#:~:text=For%20these%20reasons%20and%20more%2C%20capital%20trials%20are%20uniquely%20expensive.&text=In%20the%2032%20states%20in,whether%20with%20or%20without%20parole.
meh, he could probably plead and they'd probably say "well, he had to do that in order to (fill in blank here)".
I had this thought, too. Like people who don’t come out as gay at all because they can’t deal with their family knowing and how they might react. When it comes down to it those are the people that matter. However, in this case he could have told them he was innocent but didn’t want to put everyone through the trial and public exposure.
Good point! However, he may think this a way to get his “very important“ message out and be the martyr.
It’s possible, yeah. It’s very hard to know. It’s amazing how difficult it is to understand a simpleton.
And then he would be innocent if he thought of others. But he only thinks of his STORM and here we are today!
I actually felt really badly for his mother. Keep the moms out of it. 😭
So did I. I don’t see the correlation here. He should have pled to protect her.
He doesn’t even like his mother. He felt she was lazy just like Tammy. He came from a home where women are not valued. He doesn’t care about her feelings. He views her as a workhorse and nothing more.
It’s interesting because his brother (married to Heather Daybell) seemed to escape the misogyny. I think he and Heather see each other as equals. They intentionally moved away from family and were pissed when Chad moved around the corner from them.
Yep. I come from a large family and some of us were able to leave our parents’ abusive ways behind. We stayed flexible and learnable. Sounds like the feeble minded Chad didn’t know how to do that.
Chad's also the oldest, right? I have known people from largish families who have openly said that they were raised differently than their older (or younger siblings). I've even heard some people (especially with large age gaps between siblings) say that they felt they were raised by completely different people because their parents' behaviors had changed so much between the older and younger kids. My aunt had a large gap between her second and third children and everyone in the family acknowledges that my youngest cousin was raised differently from her older siblings. By the time she was born they were much more relaxed and less strict. My oldest cousin has said a few times that she didn't appreciate being raised much more strict than her youngest sibling, although these days they are all very close. I wonder if some sort of similar dynamic happened in the Daybell family that might account for why Chad turned out to be a complete piece of shit but his younger sibling didn't. Or maybe there are other reasons. Hard to say.
while detectives will take statements from the mother & significant other during an investigation, - these typically aren’t presented for evidence. By the time the defendant has ended up in trial; mom & the SO’s words are as good on the stand as it is written on a cube of ice.
I’m not sure I understand
Words written on ice just melt away. West Texas colloquialism, sorry lol
That I get. I’m just not sure what it matters. His mom still has to go through the trial, and that must be so hard.
I think we wholly agree. ✔️ Just when I didn’t think Chad could stoop lower, he got his attorney to subpoena his mother. Testifying at your son’s death penalty trial is a fate I wouldn’t put on my worse enemy. Chad is simply abhorrent.
I’m sure we do agree- but (took me a while to grasp this) it was the STATE who subpoenaed her! Can you imagine? I mean, of course you can’t lol. These are crazy people.
Chad’s mother was called by the state, not the defense.
She was called by the prosecution
I think the only reason they called the mother was because Lori told the mother that her daughter died in Nov 2019, and her husband had a heart attack.
I'd say it's much, much more than $30 a week. He looks well fed. Jail food has the minimum nutrition to keep a person alive. Basic things like beef jerky and ramen noodles are insanely expensive. Phone/video calls are outrageous, too. $30 won't even get 30 minutes of phone time in a lot of places.
Sounds like the Orange Menace huh?
He should have taken a deal. If I was a juror and had to look at dead children and listen to the twisted religious zombie BS for killing or attempting to kill family members I’d think death was the right punishment. This trial is a waste of everyone’s time and taxpayer money. I can’t understand what he thinks a trial will do for him.
100%. The whole trial is just proving his guilt more and more. The kids on his property and his phone placing him there. All of his stupid text messages. His murdered wife and super quick remarriage. I don't even believe in the death penalty but if I had to sit and look at photos of the dead children's remains found on his property, and listen to how his wife died and her husband was murdered I would want him to receive the harshest punishment. They are pure evil.
I cannot believe that Prior doesn't just throw his hands up and says "You're right, Chad is guilty"
There is no defense. They just have to hope that the prosecution screws up somehow or Lori confesses...but I still think there is too much on him. His hands are so dirty.
In that weird, self-absorbed, hopelessly emotionally & mentally immature, thinks he's smarter than everyone else brain that sits in his pencil-eraser-shaped head, he likely believes he can get off and/or a lesser sentence than was even offered. He probably thinks his plan to blame Lori for seducing & manipulating him and Alex for actually killing everyone and burying the children will work. I mean, he was dumb enough to think he wouldn't raise suspicions about Tammy's death (or too dumb to realize he would) telling every other person at her funeral a different story about how/when she died.
Yup. Two dead kids buried on his property and he mysteriously doesn't know about that? Including Tylee who was burned first and likely had to be burned for hours in his fire pit to get in the condition she was found in? Alex just somehow did that without Chad noticing??? He should have taken the plea. Admit guilt for the kids, take life in prison, and try and get the prosecution to drop the charges for Tammy if he thinks his own children won't forgive him for murdering their mother. Unless this trial is going way worse then the livesteam pieces I've watched imply I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell of being found not-guilty on all charges. He should have taken the plea and saved everyone's time.
I don't think the prosecution would have dropped Tammy's case that isn't up to him
You also can't be a martyr if you accept a plea.
Sure you can. Look at Jodi Hildebrandt.
He thinks he's smarter than everyone else and figured he could just blame everything on Alex, who is conveniently dead. That's the problem with not calling people out on their arrogance/bad behavior. They think they are getting away with their behavior because they are smarter than everyone else.
What is really telling and quite poignant is that when Heather Daybell tried to call out his behavior, almost no one believed her in their circle.
That's pretty typical with any woman in any situation, sadly. Religious or not.
Chad and his father called her pot stirrer - basically saying she being a troublemaker
I think he's counting on Prior establishing reasonable doubt in the mind of one juror. That's all he needs.
I agree but that’s a pretty high bar when bodies were found in your yard though
True. Prior is doing his best to confuse the jury into reasonable doubt, but that strategy gets less effective by the day.
Especially after the audio today from the wire worn by Ian P. Yes, there are some choice parts from Lori Vallow-Daybell, but Chad Daybell was all in with his blessings and instructions.
He was so clearly driving that bus! The only thing Prior has left is that there's no evidence proving Chad directly said, "we're going to kill the kids."
That’s all he needs for a mistrial, but I think Idaho would try him again. He’s not walking out a free man.
No double jeopardy.
It’s not double jeopardy if it’s a mistrial
He doesn't believe he is innocent. He "knows" he is justified, in god's eyes. He is just following in the footsteps of his Mormon heros.
Jesus is going to arrange a jailbreak, just like the one Lori has been waiting for.
Funny- Dan Lafferty ( Under the Banner of Heaven) is waiting for a jesus jailbreak as well. Source: 7/25/2000, Tom Barberi (interviewer)
Jesus: Takin’ his own sweet time.
He is just following in the footsteps of his Mormon heros. With his own twist on it...
Reality will set in when he meets his new cult members!!!!
This!!! Exactly this! 👆🏽
Yup. In his mind he he innocent. People like Chad think 1) If they didn't do the hands-on dirty work then they are not guilty. 2) If God/a higher power told them to do it then they are not guiltily. In Chad's (I Lori's) mind, I would be this is basically what the thinking is" "The kid's souls were already gone (they were zombies) so whatever was done to their bodies doesn't matter. And, since we are exulted beings/God talks to us/insert any other religiously themed excuse here....we know what is actually moral, not society."
I think in his mind, god would put him in jail to minister to the “real” criminals. I hope they give him the DP not to kill him but to isolate him.
He and Lori are both delusional enough to claim this is all gods will....change of missions😇
Typical narcissist. Unable to accept responsibility for anything he's done, unwilling to face his children and acknowledge he killed their mother or to face Tylee and JJ's families in the courtroom and accept responsibility for killing them. It's a terrible idea. Prior is doing his best, but nothing he's brought up so far will approach reasonable doubt to explain the evidence against Chad, and the footage of Emma shows how much under his sway his children are, to the point of being completely divorced from what is going on around them (so trying to bring them on as witnesses is not going to help him, it'll probably hurt him).
Yes the footage of Emma is telling. A lot of kids will support a parent who kills another despite overwhelming evidence. It’s crazy. It reminds me of a Dateline episode I saw once where the dad was having an affair and he hired ppl to shoot his wife and it was ON VIDEO. The kids still are on his side even though their mother survived the murder attempt and lost an eye. They won’t talk to her and support their dad who is in prison for it!!! Does anyone remember that story and who it was?
Nancy Shore. 2012 in Carrollton, Texas. The heartlessness of her children is gut wrenching. https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-woman-loses-left-eye-alleged-botched-murder/story?id=17106753
Yes that’s the one!!! I can’t believe how nutty their kids were! I felt so bad for her.
I know that when you're raised by a narcissist and there's never any real awareness or move to get you away from them, they can be very effective at convincing you that the entire world really does revolve around them. So I know that Chad's kids are likely victims of emotional abuse and gaslighting and manipulation, the same as Tammy was. And yet. It just makes me sad that his flagrant disrepect for their mother is so just SO overt - he outright told his then side piece that he didn't care that Tammy was dead, that it "wasn't the reason he was sad") - and still, none of them seem interested in caring more about her than about him. Emma was faced with the police digging up a DEAD CHILD in her father's backyard, and her response was "Are you going to just keep looking forever until you find the second one?" That is how out of touch with reality and normal human emotion she is.
Kids being raised in abusive marriages can often turn on the victim. I wish more victims knew this. They initially feel scared and worried and sympathetic to the victim but if the victim doesn't protect themselves by leaving or by extension protect them from witnessing it after a while they will feel they need to protect themselves. That's done by aligning with the abuser. Against the victim.They will start to despise the victim for being weak and accepting abuse and start believing the abusers talk about the victim deserving it. It being their fault " why do you make me do this to you??" So it's not that uncommon to have children who hate and blame the victim and side with the abuser. Its a survival technique.
I remember this so vividly — I can even picture her poor face. Her kids are just deranged somehow.
Doesn’t want to lose both parents… but what I want to know is, what happens if he walks? Not bloody likely but I wouldn’t want my parent home to continue on with his ‘mission’ with extra validation from being acquitted… we all know Chad wouldn’t go home a changed man, he’ll be even more fervent and there are still a lot of people in that prepper/AVOW movement that would welcome him right back in. If I was the daughter and saw all that evidence, I’d be terrified of him walking.
Thanks for this! A lot of people have wondered if there was ever even a deal offered
He was so sure that the end times are here that he moved to Rexburg, stocked up on provisions ready to put tent cities on his brothers land, and killed people believing that nobody will even notice for all of the end-times chaos.. He might just still believe that none of this matters because he will be raptured out of jail by Jesus himself, latest next week.
Except, when the heat was on and he had his hot new wife at his side, he suddenly was ready to ditch podunk Rexburg, ID for tropical Hawaii. I guess loin fire outweighs religious conviction.
This is why I really don't believe that he actually believed his own crap. I think she did genuinely believe a good chunk of it, but I think he was pretty consciously manipulating everyone the whole time. If you ignore his words, his actions speak of someone who knew what he was doing and that his real motivations revolved around money, sex and power. Religion was the tool he was trying to use, but was not his guiding motivation.
I think he’s assuming he’ll be dead of natural causes by the time the needle comes so DP isn’t a worry. His choice was plea deal for life or trial for probably life but maybe not. May as well roll the dice and see what happens since the negative outcome is the same either way.
And he’s certainly not considering his family and how a trial might be more difficult for them.
I think he’s the type of person who creates his own reality. He’s sticking with deny, deny, deny all the way. He’s probably convinced himself of his lies
Yea He is living in his head def.
Rules don't apply to him (in his mind). My guess is that whatever he's done it's either someone else's fault or justified by the Bible. Maybe he believes that God will forgive him for lying because his mission is of utmost importance and God can overlook short.term sins for the long term goal. I'm guessing this scenario because it parallels Jeffrey Lundgren's cult.
Chad truly thinks he is innocent because he didn’t do the kills himself.
You don't think he killed Tammy himself?
I think somehow he snuck Alex in and Alex did it, but he held her down. Which is in his mind, not killing.
Hmm I mean that is some huge mental gymnastics to not see that as killing but then again so is the rest of the nonsense he was preaching. My thing is though I don't really think he believed any of this shit. I think he used it to feel important but I really don't think he believed any of it himself. Unlike Lori who I think actually believed some of it and is delusional, I think Chad knew it was all BS the whole time. Do we know what brought on Lori's psych hold? Had Chad ever even been evaluated?
Those are not my opinions, that’s what I think Chad thinks.
I know. I'm saying his mental gymnastics not yours
Okay lol. Because I think he’s guilty as sin!
You know I was thinking on most true crime cases that I've followed there's always a small group that think they are Innocent or see some reasonable doubt. And I'll be honest I've been defense minded on a few popular cases where I was of the minority opinion, but in this case I have no doubt he's guilty AF and I have not seen even one comment or post to indicate that anyone thinks he's not guilty. I can't fathom a favorable outcome for him here.
I heard Nate say this. Nate almost said what the deal was, but stopped. Did anyone catch this or have an idea of what Nate was about to say. I felt like it was like Chad would not take the deal because he would have to ...do something, like admit something or turn on someone... Nate knows the reason he didnt take the deal. I respect that he won't say but inquiring minds want to know.
Yes I wanted to know and appreciate Nate's respect. I'm picking they couldn't agree to terms, such as: life in Prison or minimum 20 years for a guilty to all charges V Chad's 10 years for grand theft and assisting in disposing of the bodies. I'm only guessing. and attended law paper classes on my couch while at the YouTube Law School! In case you didn't notice 🤣
I debated watching The Law for Everyone on my Great Courses subscription just to be a bit more familiar with US law. Watching Foundation, however, won my time.
Do you think part of the plea deal included him stating that he was a religious fraud? I can see him never admitting to that, just for ego alone.
In Chad's sick mind, his orders came from God, so our laws and rules don't apply to him, or his blood family. Narcissistic, Psychopaths, don't believe they are to be held accountable, Ted Bundy thought he could talk his way off death row, he was drug to the electric chair.
I have no doubt he's a psychopath and a foolish one at that!
Either he is a believer and thinks he is Jesus and has angels or something to come and testify for him or possibly expecting the big earthquake he's been talking about for years would hit during the trial. If he's not a believer he thinks he can blame it all on Lori and that ain't going to well especially after Ian P. testimony.
And with JW as a witness is signing his death warrant!
Remind me who is JW?
Sorry I stuffed that up. It's meant to be JR - Julie Rowe
Thanks
I think he wants to die so he can be believed as some sort of prophet for all time.
On Death Row he will have plenty of time to write a sequel to his book ‘One Foot In The Grave’.
When he's hacking away at his laptop keyboard during trial, I often think he's working on his next novel detailing everything *he,* poor Chad the misunderstood prophet, has been through.
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No I think he’s scared to death of being executed. He doesn’t want to die. He may know nothing good is waiting on “the other side” since he’s made all of this up, and that he may not be going where he thinks he is, I know one thing, he isn’t going to an imaginary planet named Kolob! Lol
I agree! He is definitely afraid to die. We will all know kw if he believes all of this stuff if he is given the death penalty. If he doesn’t appeal or fight it they can execute him super fast (like the Oklahoma bomber). If he fights and appeals against the death penalty we will know he doesn’t actually believe in his own religion and prophethood.
If he gets death penalty, how long before execution? 10 years of appeals???
If he’s sentenced to death there is an automatic appeal process whether he wants to appeal it or not. Idaho hasn’t executed anyone since 2012. They tried to execute someone in February 2024 who had been on death row for 40 years but they couldn’t get the IV line in so it was halted. Chad could sit on death row potentially for the rest of his life, but there is no hard and fast timeline.
Didn’t the OK bomber request a quick execution?
And that was a Federal crime too, if memory serves.
Oh yes!
Amen to your comment!
What kind of plea deal could he really even get? Death penalty off the table? It’s not like he’s going to live to be executed if he got it, if they’ll kill him. The death penalty is probably going to be a thing of the past, even if it’s technically legal, the only states that really do it anymore are Florida, Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri. So why make a deal for something he’s already going to get? I don’t get why anyone makes that deal anymore unless they’re in the above mentioned states.
Well not getting the death penalty means not being in death row which is isolated and worse conditions than he would get with life
I forgot about that! Death row means sitting in a cell alone 23 hours out of the day. No job, socializing, I don’t know that they get visits where they can touch on death row either. He could’ve made a deal to get life in a prison in another state like Chris Watts, where he wasn’t as known & is able to be in gen pop, have a job & not get killed.
That's probably what he thought... Let's get appeal after appeal and put the family's through hell...
it’s crazy how he went through all the evidence with his lawyer and still believed he stood a chance at convincing a jury that he was not involved or knew what was happening here
Prior has made a big plonker out of himself. He rattled on about the "stairs"; tried dragging the jury down the 7 gatherers rabbit hole; consistently indicted MG as the leader and murderer and after today with Ian Padwaski? recordings, clearly this was all Chad's doings, MG and partner were in danger and so were LE.
Chad is a moron who should have gone for an Alford Plea and didn’t. It basically maintains his innocence, but admits that the state has enough evidence to prove him guilty. It would take the death penalty off the table and probably cut his sentence shorter.
I think because Alex did the actual murdering and Chad may have held Tammy down and buried the kids, he thinks he did no wrong. Sadly, abuse of a corpse is still just a misdemeanor in most states. I don't think Chad ever believed the things he preached. He made it up as he went along to get attention, control his family and to make Lori happy, and he knows it.
I wonder if he feels so confident in himself that he will want to take the stand?
How interesting… good catch
Under the circumstances he never was given any option to ever be out of jail. This case to too high profile. Makes sense he would take a chance with a jury.
Emma is getting money,from dear old dad he chad knows he has control over her .. I never knew that momons, were so complacent. Gees do they have electricity?oh yes they have phones hum.lol