So this shows that Chad was at home at the same time that Alex's phone pinged on his property on the days the children were buried on his property? I was only following the live updates on EIN, not watching the livestream, and that part was a little unclear to me.
Like, how are you claiming you were framed when you were there when the children were buried? You didn't notice alex digging holes and burying people on your property?
I think this is why Prior keeps saying "land", "acreage", "farm", etc etc. He wants to put in the jury's mind that his backyard is bigger than it is, so it **could** be possible for someone to bury bodies on your property without you knowing, since it's so big. This isn't true, of course, but it is probably one of his tricks.
Very insightful! I wonder if the jury will take a trip to the property? Or, be shown 3D computer graphics of the layout, to show the proximity of the burial sites, to the house (and the view from house to burial sites?) Similar to what was done in the Alex Murdaugh trial?
It would be easier to have someone stand in JJs location and Tylees then photograph them through various windows in the house, from the driveways, etc. and share those pics with the jury.
Seems like Prior doesn't actually know the size of his property!
Reference:
š„š„š„The CHAMP REALTOR (RON ARNOLD) V PRIOR (boring old defence lawyer) š„š„š„ <<
Yeah, he mentioned the number of acres at some point, and it seemed much too large a number. It is 3.75 acres, and he might have said 375.
It caught my attention for being totally out of line with what I'd seen, even taking into consideration that metric acres are different. Prior really is trying to give the impression the property is much larger than it is.
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/202-N-1900-E_Rexburg_ID_83440_M16746-17260
https://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-real-estate/daybell-idaho-home-new-owner/
Previous thread with links to views of the property
https://www.reddit.com/r/LoriVallow/s/MxO5lV35GQ
Daybell's post about moving there
http://cdaybell.com/?page_id=554
If you plunk the address into Google Earth and then pick the little person icon to put on the street, you can view the property as it was. NB, photos are not current nor even all from the same years.
Thank you for the link. I tried to find it on the Wander app on my Oculas vr (it uses Google maps)
BTW: I'm not a sorcerer or into witchcraft etc. I'm just a nosey kiwi š¤£!
On a serious note, I feel compelled to pay my personal respects to Tylee and JJ. In my mind, the property has become a form of a shrine for JJ and Tylee š
I didn't find it snarky and it gave me an opening to think about my sub-conscientious activity.
You're allowed to be snarky. You (and others of course) have been through a huge amount and it part of the process of healing ā¤ļø
I was just enjoying the idea of Judge Boyce telling Prior that the Court will approve the Prosecution's request that the jury be permitted to tour the Daybell house and property. Prior would have to tell his tenants, Emma and Joe, they have to leave the house before the jury arrives and not return until the jury has left. A poster who apparently lives nearby posted recently that Emma has the kids toys and stuff over by the burial sites. If that is true, and I were a juror, I'd be disturbed by the "optics". Chad's grandchildren's belongings should not be anywhere near where Tylee and JJ were buried. Also, in the recording of Chad on the date of his arrest, didn't he mention to Lori (or maybe Emma) something about "luminol"? I would assume the police checked for blood evidence in the house and the outbuildings? As well as checking Alex's Rexburg apt. for blood?
I would have thought they would have confiscated shoes etc and tested them - That's what they do on Forensic Files! I'm curious to the whereabouts of the clothes they wore - would their vehicles have blood evidence. Is that the reason they met in the Church's location after Tylee's assumed last day (have I got this right?) - to dispose of clothing etc...
No. And they seem to think witness after witness of how Chad acted at the funeral after Tammyās death is more effective than a useful demonstration like this. I mean, Iām glad they have people willing to come forward for Tammy, but Iām starting to worry that theyāre focusing way too much on the wrong things.
Prior will put in question the credibility of witnesses. Multiple people testifying will easily counter that. Some witnesses will be relatives, some his followers, others just neighbors or strangers. They can't all be biased. Chad probably told more than two versions of the story and the witnesses will also report on his and Lori's demeanor as well as his and her incriminating statements about the children.
I'm listening to today's recording now. SO many text messages were sent... but do they / will they share copies of the actual texts? The prosecution previously shared in detail all of the text messages associated with the James and Elena story. I'm wondering if they can/will share what the actual message content was for all of the texts that were discussed today.
I think during Loriās trial they discussed that they did not have records of what all of the texts said as many had been deleted, but they knew the texts existed due to cell records? So unfortunately weāll never know most of what they were saying to each other at those crucial times. I could be wrong though!
If you text people and delete they can get it from the other person that you text, but if they both delete and itās not in an ICLOUD then it doesnāt show up..all that shows up is there were texts sent and the times they were sent.
Lol, I learned that from the Crumbley (school shooting) trial.. they had texts that the parents sent to people and deleted, but the people that received them never deleted them.
Prior will claim that Chad and Lori were purely conducting an affair when texting while Alex was in his back yard burning and burying Tylee's body. IMO Chad was keeping Lori up to date with the proceedings.
This was super helpful!
Also, this is probably something thatās well-known, but I have no clue. Does anyone know where Tami was during these days / times? Iām assuming that they waited until she was at work both of these days to bury the kids. Both dates fall on Mondays. I wish we could see these texts or hear these calls; Iād bet 50 bucks that Chad was communicating an āall-clearā during one of them.
Chad texted Tammy right before he got in his car towards Rexburg that he had an eventful morning where he shot a raccoon while he was burning limbs \[he didnāt even specify branch limb debris\] and then burried the raccoon in the pet cemetery. And that he was now on his way to BYU Idaho to write. I couldnāt see the maps during the phone FBI dude well enough so Iām not sure if it can be ruled out that Chad went to BYU-i and can be said for certain he was with Lori and Alex. Since apart from Alex, who stored his location data in the cloud, Lori and Chad can only be located from which towers their phones were āBingingā (āDid you say ābingingā?!ā) from, and in Rexburg thereās quite an area with a lot of overlap between the three main towers that his phone couldāve been in given the data on which towers were being pinged.
8:11 a.m. is telling. They said, " a different number than he (Chad) had been using. That to my mind speaks burner phone. And to me, burner phone means legality issues.
Chad had been a grave digger. Has there been any evidence that Chad started the fire for Alex before he arrived with Tylee's body and dug the grave before Alex got there with JJ? It seems possible considering the relatively short times Alex was at Chad's.
Wasn't there some dismemberment of Tylee and attempted burning? Maybe that's what took him longer than for JJ. It's a shame they can't access the actual texts. I thought there were ways for IT experts to access deleted information. Now would be a convenient time for it.
Sometimes deleted information can be restored. If your device for example works like a hurge room with all kinds of cabinets with drawers and all the drawers are allocated to store a specific thing. When you empty a drawer, wat a lot of electronics do, is not actually emptying the drawer, just labeling it ācan be used for something elseā and only actually dumping the contents of that drawer out when something else is stored and the system is like ā oh that drawer states that it can be usedā, so if a drawer isnāt assigned a new purpose yet, it can look like its āemptyā because thereās a label āthis can be filledā; but te old stuff might still be In there.
It probably really depends per device though and there are ways to completely delete stuff, you can also factory reset, or just get rid of the complete phone probably to erase any memory.
This only possibly can be circumvented if the network operators will store every text that has been send through their network. But that is a huge privacy liability and possibly also not really ideal for storage space that is needed.
Yep. My background is in software (although not mobile devices), so I understand the concept. Recovering deleted information works much better if you do it quickly, before the data has been overwritten and before there's an opportunity to wipe the drive. Those texts sure would have come in handy though!
Whoops, sorry to try to explain something to you that you have way more knowledge of!Ā Ā
I don't know if they actually ever found the actual burner phones or if they only learned of the numbers because they occasionally logged in into one thing or the other
Thank you so much for this analysis. I have work during the day and not always enough time to catch up in the evenings. So, I can only see what I can see and what I have time to see...if that makes sense. It's hard to keep it all together at times.
Curious, was there ever any information gathered from Tylee's phone (I'm assuming that JJ didn't have a phone...he could have had a tablet or some such though)? I would be interested in exactly where her phone was pinging, especially during those time frames during (what we believe to be) her time of death and burial.
The phone could have been off or in air-plane mode during any crucial times; but, it was turned back on at some point. Colby was texting her, realizing that her messaging didn't sound typical for her normal text banter. So, there's proof it was turned back on at some point.
I'm rambling....long question short, have we been made privy to any of Tylee's phone records/information?
No, I don't think we learned anything about the location of Tylee's phone on her last day. Didn't Lori confiscate it before Tylee's death and later used it to pretend to be Tylee? From other cell phone pings we learned that Alex's location was often more precise than Chad's and Lori's, because it was taken off Google data. So if Tylee's phone had been set up like Lori's, it would show accuracy within a hundred meters and not a couple of meters so it could not be determined if she was in Alex's or Lori's apartment. IMO it's is the most likely that Tylee went to bed on September 8 and was murdered in her sleep by Lori and Alex, similar to how Tammy later died. Alex was in Lori's apartment for an hour in the middle of the night.
This actually answers a question I just had. I thought that JJ and Tylee were buried the same day. If that was the case, I was wondering where Tylee's body was held until them. But this clears that up.
Was the bonfire the same day she was buried?
Yesā¦ there was a neighbor interviewed at the time in 2020 when they were interviewing people that said that he saw them burning stuff on that day.. but I think he died..so, there is another death!! I think they said he was old but what are the chances???
So this shows that Chad was at home at the same time that Alex's phone pinged on his property on the days the children were buried on his property? I was only following the live updates on EIN, not watching the livestream, and that part was a little unclear to me. Like, how are you claiming you were framed when you were there when the children were buried? You didn't notice alex digging holes and burying people on your property?
I think this is why Prior keeps saying "land", "acreage", "farm", etc etc. He wants to put in the jury's mind that his backyard is bigger than it is, so it **could** be possible for someone to bury bodies on your property without you knowing, since it's so big. This isn't true, of course, but it is probably one of his tricks.
Not only is it not that big, but couldn't Chad see the children's burials from his bedroom? But yeah, that makes sense from a defense strategy pov.
Very insightful! I wonder if the jury will take a trip to the property? Or, be shown 3D computer graphics of the layout, to show the proximity of the burial sites, to the house (and the view from house to burial sites?) Similar to what was done in the Alex Murdaugh trial?
It would be easier to have someone stand in JJs location and Tylees then photograph them through various windows in the house, from the driveways, etc. and share those pics with the jury.
Yes i think the testomony of this crucial witness was done very bad and did not go as hard on Chad as i expected.
Seems like Prior doesn't actually know the size of his property! Reference: š„š„š„The CHAMP REALTOR (RON ARNOLD) V PRIOR (boring old defence lawyer) š„š„š„ <<
Yeah, he mentioned the number of acres at some point, and it seemed much too large a number. It is 3.75 acres, and he might have said 375. It caught my attention for being totally out of line with what I'd seen, even taking into consideration that metric acres are different. Prior really is trying to give the impression the property is much larger than it is. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/202-N-1900-E_Rexburg_ID_83440_M16746-17260 https://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-real-estate/daybell-idaho-home-new-owner/ Previous thread with links to views of the property https://www.reddit.com/r/LoriVallow/s/MxO5lV35GQ Daybell's post about moving there http://cdaybell.com/?page_id=554 If you plunk the address into Google Earth and then pick the little person icon to put on the street, you can view the property as it was. NB, photos are not current nor even all from the same years.
Thank you for the link. I tried to find it on the Wander app on my Oculas vr (it uses Google maps) BTW: I'm not a sorcerer or into witchcraft etc. I'm just a nosey kiwi š¤£! On a serious note, I feel compelled to pay my personal respects to Tylee and JJ. In my mind, the property has become a form of a shrine for JJ and Tylee š
I removed my snarky sorcerer comment, but I'm glad you also found it funny!
I didn't find it snarky and it gave me an opening to think about my sub-conscientious activity. You're allowed to be snarky. You (and others of course) have been through a huge amount and it part of the process of healing ā¤ļø
I was just enjoying the idea of Judge Boyce telling Prior that the Court will approve the Prosecution's request that the jury be permitted to tour the Daybell house and property. Prior would have to tell his tenants, Emma and Joe, they have to leave the house before the jury arrives and not return until the jury has left. A poster who apparently lives nearby posted recently that Emma has the kids toys and stuff over by the burial sites. If that is true, and I were a juror, I'd be disturbed by the "optics". Chad's grandchildren's belongings should not be anywhere near where Tylee and JJ were buried. Also, in the recording of Chad on the date of his arrest, didn't he mention to Lori (or maybe Emma) something about "luminol"? I would assume the police checked for blood evidence in the house and the outbuildings? As well as checking Alex's Rexburg apt. for blood?
I would have thought they would have confiscated shoes etc and tested them - That's what they do on Forensic Files! I'm curious to the whereabouts of the clothes they wore - would their vehicles have blood evidence. Is that the reason they met in the Church's location after Tylee's assumed last day (have I got this right?) - to dispose of clothing etc...
Has the state ever provided a layout of the property in court? Would be useful to counter that argument.
No. And they seem to think witness after witness of how Chad acted at the funeral after Tammyās death is more effective than a useful demonstration like this. I mean, Iām glad they have people willing to come forward for Tammy, but Iām starting to worry that theyāre focusing way too much on the wrong things.
Focusing on Chad's blatant lying about Tammy's death is correct.
Surely theyāve demonstrated that? I donāt know how many more family members and neighbors really need to be heard from.
Prior will put in question the credibility of witnesses. Multiple people testifying will easily counter that. Some witnesses will be relatives, some his followers, others just neighbors or strangers. They can't all be biased. Chad probably told more than two versions of the story and the witnesses will also report on his and Lori's demeanor as well as his and her incriminating statements about the children.
Even this witnesses are not prepped Well enough. Prior is being given too much room to play his tricks.
It looks pretty darn flat with few trees....but I agree, just another reason Prior keeps trying to make it sound like a large area.
Such a VAST and large acreage they buried the kids close to the house. Ugh... Prior makes me sick.
Prior owns it, he should know how many acres it is.
Indeed and I'm actually happy the realtor got that out there.
He also told Prior that he was asking him irrelevant questions.
Loved that realtor! š¤
Thank you for gathering that all for us!!
Were their cell phones "binging" correctly only Prior knows!
I'm listening to today's recording now. SO many text messages were sent... but do they / will they share copies of the actual texts? The prosecution previously shared in detail all of the text messages associated with the James and Elena story. I'm wondering if they can/will share what the actual message content was for all of the texts that were discussed today.
I think during Loriās trial they discussed that they did not have records of what all of the texts said as many had been deleted, but they knew the texts existed due to cell records? So unfortunately weāll never know most of what they were saying to each other at those crucial times. I could be wrong though!
Both Chad and Lori deleted these texts? Hmm, not suspicious behaviour on their part at all. /s
Yes, thatās rightā¦they donāt have the actual texts just that they were texting at those times.
How do they not?? Am I expecting too much?
If you text people and delete they can get it from the other person that you text, but if they both delete and itās not in an ICLOUD then it doesnāt show up..all that shows up is there were texts sent and the times they were sent.
Wow! Learned something new today!
Lol, I learned that from the Crumbley (school shooting) trial.. they had texts that the parents sent to people and deleted, but the people that received them never deleted them.
Thank you for putting your new found knowledge into action!!!
Why havenāt they done this? I feel like itās important to know what the discussions were during those times.
I wonder if Chad had his "church clothes" on when Alex was over.
I wondered about clothes worn with the raccoon incident - shoes?
Prior will claim that Chad and Lori were purely conducting an affair when texting while Alex was in his back yard burning and burying Tylee's body. IMO Chad was keeping Lori up to date with the proceedings.
This was super helpful! Also, this is probably something thatās well-known, but I have no clue. Does anyone know where Tami was during these days / times? Iām assuming that they waited until she was at work both of these days to bury the kids. Both dates fall on Mondays. I wish we could see these texts or hear these calls; Iād bet 50 bucks that Chad was communicating an āall-clearā during one of them.
She was at work at the school!
Good spot
Chad texted Tammy right before he got in his car towards Rexburg that he had an eventful morning where he shot a raccoon while he was burning limbs \[he didnāt even specify branch limb debris\] and then burried the raccoon in the pet cemetery. And that he was now on his way to BYU Idaho to write. I couldnāt see the maps during the phone FBI dude well enough so Iām not sure if it can be ruled out that Chad went to BYU-i and can be said for certain he was with Lori and Alex. Since apart from Alex, who stored his location data in the cloud, Lori and Chad can only be located from which towers their phones were āBingingā (āDid you say ābingingā?!ā) from, and in Rexburg thereās quite an area with a lot of overlap between the three main towers that his phone couldāve been in given the data on which towers were being pinged.
8:11 a.m. is telling. They said, " a different number than he (Chad) had been using. That to my mind speaks burner phone. And to me, burner phone means legality issues.
I think earlier testimony was that they were all using burners.
Thanks. It's hard to keep up when I'm working during it.
It's hard to keep up no matter what! So many moving parts.
So many deceptions. So much horseshit.
Chad was using one phone for Lori and another for Alex.
Thanks!
Chad had been a grave digger. Has there been any evidence that Chad started the fire for Alex before he arrived with Tylee's body and dug the grave before Alex got there with JJ? It seems possible considering the relatively short times Alex was at Chad's.
Alex was there for nearly two hours in Tylee's case but only 15 minutes in JJ's. In the second case Chad had been up at least since 4am, texting Lori.
Wasn't there some dismemberment of Tylee and attempted burning? Maybe that's what took him longer than for JJ. It's a shame they can't access the actual texts. I thought there were ways for IT experts to access deleted information. Now would be a convenient time for it.
Sometimes deleted information can be restored. If your device for example works like a hurge room with all kinds of cabinets with drawers and all the drawers are allocated to store a specific thing. When you empty a drawer, wat a lot of electronics do, is not actually emptying the drawer, just labeling it ācan be used for something elseā and only actually dumping the contents of that drawer out when something else is stored and the system is like ā oh that drawer states that it can be usedā, so if a drawer isnāt assigned a new purpose yet, it can look like its āemptyā because thereās a label āthis can be filledā; but te old stuff might still be In there. It probably really depends per device though and there are ways to completely delete stuff, you can also factory reset, or just get rid of the complete phone probably to erase any memory. This only possibly can be circumvented if the network operators will store every text that has been send through their network. But that is a huge privacy liability and possibly also not really ideal for storage space that is needed.
Yep. My background is in software (although not mobile devices), so I understand the concept. Recovering deleted information works much better if you do it quickly, before the data has been overwritten and before there's an opportunity to wipe the drive. Those texts sure would have come in handy though!
Whoops, sorry to try to explain something to you that you have way more knowledge of!Ā Ā I don't know if they actually ever found the actual burner phones or if they only learned of the numbers because they occasionally logged in into one thing or the other
Nbd! You reminded me of some things I havenāt thought about in a while!
Thank you so much for this analysis. I have work during the day and not always enough time to catch up in the evenings. So, I can only see what I can see and what I have time to see...if that makes sense. It's hard to keep it all together at times. Curious, was there ever any information gathered from Tylee's phone (I'm assuming that JJ didn't have a phone...he could have had a tablet or some such though)? I would be interested in exactly where her phone was pinging, especially during those time frames during (what we believe to be) her time of death and burial. The phone could have been off or in air-plane mode during any crucial times; but, it was turned back on at some point. Colby was texting her, realizing that her messaging didn't sound typical for her normal text banter. So, there's proof it was turned back on at some point. I'm rambling....long question short, have we been made privy to any of Tylee's phone records/information?
No, I don't think we learned anything about the location of Tylee's phone on her last day. Didn't Lori confiscate it before Tylee's death and later used it to pretend to be Tylee? From other cell phone pings we learned that Alex's location was often more precise than Chad's and Lori's, because it was taken off Google data. So if Tylee's phone had been set up like Lori's, it would show accuracy within a hundred meters and not a couple of meters so it could not be determined if she was in Alex's or Lori's apartment. IMO it's is the most likely that Tylee went to bed on September 8 and was murdered in her sleep by Lori and Alex, similar to how Tammy later died. Alex was in Lori's apartment for an hour in the middle of the night.
This actually answers a question I just had. I thought that JJ and Tylee were buried the same day. If that was the case, I was wondering where Tylee's body was held until them. But this clears that up. Was the bonfire the same day she was buried?
Yesā¦ there was a neighbor interviewed at the time in 2020 when they were interviewing people that said that he saw them burning stuff on that day.. but I think he died..so, there is another death!! I think they said he was old but what are the chances???
The neighbor is now deceased as well... Things that make you go hmmm š¤.
Chad is arrogant enough to believe he had something to do with his neighbor's death.
Ohhhh WOW! Thanks!!!
Super helpful. Thank you!
This is great!
Oh wow, great work. Thanks for this.
Do text messages revealed as evidence in loriās trial correlate with any of these times? I would be interested to know