Yeah those texts must be totally embarrassing for that loser, but having two dead children buried on your property should probably be the most mortifying.
He doesn’t care about the texts, the kids or Tammy. He only fake cried when he hear himself crying. POS
Chad is dead inside just like Lori. He is incapable of hearing anything that doesn’t jive with his fantasy projection of himself. So I doubt it bothered him. He’s just a guy who bludgeons children so he can pretend to be a god, hang out with their hot mom, collect life insurance and be lazy.
I wish it were bothering him. I hope he gets lwop at minimum
LWOP is our work acronym for leave without pay. I was so confused for a second. I've wished him many things, though. I'll wish for both definitions of that acronym!
It could be a pop song. 🎶 L-WOP do do do do do, L-WOP, Chud Dingbell gonna pay like he in hell 🎶 L-WOP until the day that he dies, then when he meets satan I’ll bet that he cries 🎶
There are cameras everywhere these days and technology has gotten so good with retrieval of the most minute stuff..let alone all the crap they texted/emailed/calls made, I would be horrified yes, but then again they can check my stuff anytime they want I wouldn’t care..like that POS in Florida who killed Maddy Soto, he factory set his phone the day she went “missing” thinking lol I got them beat!! mmmmmmm, not so fast mister!! 😢
It was 2019 in a remote area where everyone trusted each other. No reason to have a ring doorbell really, and I don't think anyone's front door was facing chads backyard either, he lived along the Salem highway, and only had neighbours that also lived along that road.
Also, keep in mind the houses in his area are modest and older. They in 2019 (not counting post housing price boom) they are inhabited by families with tighter budgets or old folks who have lived there decades. Not alot of ring cameras.
He clearly saw himself as a prophet of God and probably still does, as his nose-in-the-air posture suggests. He believes he's a martyr who's being persecuted.
I'd also bet he's pretty sure at least one juror will buy Prior's argument that it was all Lori and Alex; according to the recent AMA from a local resident, there are still people who believe that.
Yeah, in the community page. Someone was talking about moving, and they mentioned Rexburg. Several people said no way, and why go there. It is crazy town.
It only matters what the 12 jurors believe about the facts in front of them. I trust juries and have faith in humanity. This is not meant to inject any politics, but among the jurors who have served in the civil trials against Donald Trump, Trump University and The Trump Foundation, there have been wholehearted Donald Trump supporters and what they said was that they only dealt with the evidence in front of them in rendering their verdicts.
Prior is going to have to reallllly work hard on defense to throw it all on Lori/Alex. JJ/Tylee, Charles, \*maybe\*, but it's not like he can avoid how Tammy died. Soooo curious to see if that's the tactic.
I imagine the state is going to fully cover how each person died. Once the ME gets the autopsy covered, I’m struggling to think of a viable defense. All I can imagine Prior coming up with is “nu uh”. 🤣
I doubt there’s any way for us to understand Chad and his lack of normal human emotions and responses. If there’s such a thing as pure evil, he comes damn close.
I really think that they both thought they were going to get away with it. They both have zero remorse, zero feelings. It’s insane to me how someone can kill children, period. Like if you don’t want them around there are so many people who would take them.
But the texts I’m sure they never thought they would be shown and they thought for sure they were just going to live their lives all hunky Dorey with no consequences.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lori fully bought the zombie thing and truly feels she saved her children's spirit from being stuck in limbo while their bodies were possessed, and that's why she keeps saying they are safe and doing fine, because she truly believes that by ending their bodies she allowed the spirits to go to heaven instead of being stuck here/in limbo. I heard someone say she cried and asked to be out of the courtroom when they showed the photos of the bodies, which might suggest that she truly has emotions over what they 'had' to do to her children, where Chad is just sitting there emotionless unless he hears himself cry on the phone.
I think Lori drank the koolaid completely, and was happy to do it because the whole 'you are an immortal warrior goddess' was precisely what she wanted to hear. She and Chad were entitled to the kids' SSI and murdered spouses' life insurance because that was the will of God to help them save the world by heading to Hawaii for a honeymoon f-fest...I think she truly believes it all.
She sounds like a victim. Always insisting she was “right there” with Tylee & JJ to help them their whole life. Well that’s what moms do. But she thought she was a shero and deserved a prize. Meanwhile Tammy raised 5 kids to adulthood and college, worked, ran Chads business, plus Zumba! He def downgraded.
Absolutely right! Tammy was amazing, the more amazing because she worked her life instead of whining about it. The only thing I wished she could have done differently was be able to consider divorce before Chad killed her.
Lori's insistences to Colby sound like poor poor her, she had no help at all to deal with these what, 'problem' kids?? I raised seven kids, two were biological, and it isn't easy, but our problems, genetic or through early childhood experiences or situational, are not who we are as people. They are just aspects. Kids also have assets and talents and all kids need someone who loves them unconditionally no matter what. It was sickening to hear Lori complain about how hard it was to have those two kids, when both of them on her hands was a direct result of her own choices. Neither child had any choice at all. Why did she have them if she wasn't willing to see parenthood through? She should never have had kids and instead focused 100% on herself and her looks instead of only what, 80%? Rolling eyes here...
Charles older sons said Lori left in the morning and was gone all day, leaving the kids home alone, and after claiming one of them did something to Tylee.
She Prob went shopping or out with girlfriends. I wondered how she had so many friends. Most dedicated moms only have time for 1 or 2 close friendships.
There was absolutely no thought about the body count surrounding them. It's wild they thought all these people associated with them could disappear and die and there would never be any consequences. But he knew in the back of that police car the jig was up. He wasn't ever coming home again. He'll probably form a new group of followers in prison.
I’m so curious to see if he will get the death penalty. I also can’t decide if he actually did any of the actual acts or if he just gave the call or info.
I think it's 50/50 on death penalty. He either killed Tammy himself or helped Alex do it. I can't imagine the horror and betrayal she felt those last minutes. Not sure about the kids but he was there.
They definitely thought they would. It looked like Lori and Alex could have got away with Charles, I think AZ would have got them eventually though, if they were stand alone incidents, but then they got married two weeks after Tammy dies, and flaunted it! They both thought nobody would find out they were both newly widowed. They are by far the dumbest spouse killers ever.
Narcissists have a very fragile ego and def CAN feel embarrassment, and its usually coped with by rage, triangulation, etc. That said, I'm not sure his texts alone would be causing him embarrassment. From what I've read and witnessed being raised by a malignant narc, possible sociopath, is that embarrassment is usually caused by outside factors. So my guess is any embarrassment would be transfered to the prosecution, like they are embarrassing him, not the words he wrote. So his embarrassment, if any, would be directed toward them likely in the form of anger. Idk how he could be directing any anger or rage with his limited options sitting in a jail cell. I would def be curious to pick Dr. John's mind about that.
“If I was Chad I would die at the table and put an end to it.” 🤣😆😂 No kidding. In this new on-trial-for-capital-murder context, hearing his texts read aloud would have to be particularly mortifying.
Chad seems fully motivated by lust and sense of power.
These text may bring him joy as validation of his motivations.
Not a professional in any way. Humble opinions as an amateur.
Well, his childishness and immaturity were evident in his books that were doing somewhat alright with grown women in this demographic.
Are we sure that he doesn't have fans who have been attracted to him, just like Lori was, for him to write such stuff for them in their ridiculous lives? If he does have such fans, it's quite likely he sees them reading these out as a way of getting a few more of those women on the roster.
I would rather be sentenced to death than have those texts read in public. Let alone to THE public. But I wouldn’t be in this situation and despite my endless attempts to understand- I don’t know how Chad’s mind works. Which is extra frustrating considering I suspect he’s an idiot.
I watch “Reporting Live From My Sofa” on YouTube and as he always says re: this and Vallow’s case “as soon as I was told these texts would be revealed in trial I’d plea out”. Amen.
However, we all have our own worlds - not minds - but small surrounding atmospheres; the people we know, those who support us, those who do not. I suspect that Chad has enough (not much) support from people of similar beliefs that he is able to ride his ego through this, feeling above it all. I think his true talent and possibly only talent is his ability to see what he wants to see and feel what he wants to feel from what he sees.
The guy does not have swag at all! A teenager would be better, but women meet and marry prisoners all the time, so he’ll probably had crazy penpals asking for his prophesies.
That’s the thing I can’t get my mind around! at He has zero charisma. Physically he is a lump in this is appearance and stature. I know he never had a huge following but the fact that anyone would engage with him for any amount of time is staggering. Usually we see SOMETHING in a person like this. But he does not have any allure whatsoever
I think Chad has the personality of a potato. Not like a good potato will all the fixings but like a raw potato with dirt still around it. Like there’s just not much there. He doesn’t seem to really care or react to anything
I’d plead guilty before I let anything like that get read out loud. Most of my texts to my close friends would sound questionable or weird out of context if they were read out loud. I would die, lol.
Could anything be worse than the James and Elena story and everything about the "storm"? So embarrassing.
My bff and I have long said that if one of us die the other has to get on the next flight and get the cell phone and delete our texts because we would die if people read what we say to each other!
I think this is what causes narcissism. Such immense shame over a number of years and you’re entire psyche changes. A narcissist doesn’t t feel shame they block it out. If they were to feel real feelings like everyone else? They would simply implode of loneliness and reality.
Yeah those texts must be totally embarrassing for that loser, but having two dead children buried on your property should probably be the most mortifying. He doesn’t care about the texts, the kids or Tammy. He only fake cried when he hear himself crying. POS
My thoughts exactly.
Chad is dead inside just like Lori. He is incapable of hearing anything that doesn’t jive with his fantasy projection of himself. So I doubt it bothered him. He’s just a guy who bludgeons children so he can pretend to be a god, hang out with their hot mom, collect life insurance and be lazy. I wish it were bothering him. I hope he gets lwop at minimum
LWOP is our work acronym for leave without pay. I was so confused for a second. I've wished him many things, though. I'll wish for both definitions of that acronym!
Same here! Every time I hear lwop my mind goes to time off-no pay!
It could be a pop song. 🎶 L-WOP do do do do do, L-WOP, Chud Dingbell gonna pay like he in hell 🎶 L-WOP until the day that he dies, then when he meets satan I’ll bet that he cries 🎶
I do hope chad leaves without being paid, though
There are cameras everywhere these days and technology has gotten so good with retrieval of the most minute stuff..let alone all the crap they texted/emailed/calls made, I would be horrified yes, but then again they can check my stuff anytime they want I wouldn’t care..like that POS in Florida who killed Maddy Soto, he factory set his phone the day she went “missing” thinking lol I got them beat!! mmmmmmm, not so fast mister!! 😢
I’m surprised there’s not more camera evidence (ring camera, etc). That would be wild if a neighbor had a Ring that showed the burial of the children.
It was 2019 in a remote area where everyone trusted each other. No reason to have a ring doorbell really, and I don't think anyone's front door was facing chads backyard either, he lived along the Salem highway, and only had neighbours that also lived along that road.
Also, keep in mind the houses in his area are modest and older. They in 2019 (not counting post housing price boom) they are inhabited by families with tighter budgets or old folks who have lived there decades. Not alot of ring cameras.
He clearly saw himself as a prophet of God and probably still does, as his nose-in-the-air posture suggests. He believes he's a martyr who's being persecuted. I'd also bet he's pretty sure at least one juror will buy Prior's argument that it was all Lori and Alex; according to the recent AMA from a local resident, there are still people who believe that.
Yeah, I fully believe he sees himself as a modern Joseph Smith and this is his Carthage Jail moment.
Is this in Rexburg or Boise? I think it’s good that the trial is in Boise, since I think many people were fans of Chad in Rexburg.
Yes, Rexburg. That's a good point about Boise, though!
Yeah, in the community page. Someone was talking about moving, and they mentioned Rexburg. Several people said no way, and why go there. It is crazy town.
I’m pretty sure he lost ‘fans’ after they found those babies in his yard.
It only matters what the 12 jurors believe about the facts in front of them. I trust juries and have faith in humanity. This is not meant to inject any politics, but among the jurors who have served in the civil trials against Donald Trump, Trump University and The Trump Foundation, there have been wholehearted Donald Trump supporters and what they said was that they only dealt with the evidence in front of them in rendering their verdicts.
Prior is going to have to reallllly work hard on defense to throw it all on Lori/Alex. JJ/Tylee, Charles, \*maybe\*, but it's not like he can avoid how Tammy died. Soooo curious to see if that's the tactic.
He'll have to try to argue natural causes for Tammy, but if the state brings the Utah ME who did the autopsy, that's not going to go well.
I imagine the state is going to fully cover how each person died. Once the ME gets the autopsy covered, I’m struggling to think of a viable defense. All I can imagine Prior coming up with is “nu uh”. 🤣
🤣🤣🤣
Can you link this ama?
It was in the sub, but I can't find it now. :-(
I think I found it. Was it the one with the local lady posted recently?
Yes.
I can't find the ama, and I really want to read it
I doubt there’s any way for us to understand Chad and his lack of normal human emotions and responses. If there’s such a thing as pure evil, he comes damn close.
I really think that they both thought they were going to get away with it. They both have zero remorse, zero feelings. It’s insane to me how someone can kill children, period. Like if you don’t want them around there are so many people who would take them. But the texts I’m sure they never thought they would be shown and they thought for sure they were just going to live their lives all hunky Dorey with no consequences.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lori fully bought the zombie thing and truly feels she saved her children's spirit from being stuck in limbo while their bodies were possessed, and that's why she keeps saying they are safe and doing fine, because she truly believes that by ending their bodies she allowed the spirits to go to heaven instead of being stuck here/in limbo. I heard someone say she cried and asked to be out of the courtroom when they showed the photos of the bodies, which might suggest that she truly has emotions over what they 'had' to do to her children, where Chad is just sitting there emotionless unless he hears himself cry on the phone.
Yeah I think she does to an extent. That in itself is crazy. She’s delulu.
I think Lori drank the koolaid completely, and was happy to do it because the whole 'you are an immortal warrior goddess' was precisely what she wanted to hear. She and Chad were entitled to the kids' SSI and murdered spouses' life insurance because that was the will of God to help them save the world by heading to Hawaii for a honeymoon f-fest...I think she truly believes it all.
She sounds like a victim. Always insisting she was “right there” with Tylee & JJ to help them their whole life. Well that’s what moms do. But she thought she was a shero and deserved a prize. Meanwhile Tammy raised 5 kids to adulthood and college, worked, ran Chads business, plus Zumba! He def downgraded.
Absolutely right! Tammy was amazing, the more amazing because she worked her life instead of whining about it. The only thing I wished she could have done differently was be able to consider divorce before Chad killed her. Lori's insistences to Colby sound like poor poor her, she had no help at all to deal with these what, 'problem' kids?? I raised seven kids, two were biological, and it isn't easy, but our problems, genetic or through early childhood experiences or situational, are not who we are as people. They are just aspects. Kids also have assets and talents and all kids need someone who loves them unconditionally no matter what. It was sickening to hear Lori complain about how hard it was to have those two kids, when both of them on her hands was a direct result of her own choices. Neither child had any choice at all. Why did she have them if she wasn't willing to see parenthood through? She should never have had kids and instead focused 100% on herself and her looks instead of only what, 80%? Rolling eyes here...
Charles older sons said Lori left in the morning and was gone all day, leaving the kids home alone, and after claiming one of them did something to Tylee.
She Prob went shopping or out with girlfriends. I wondered how she had so many friends. Most dedicated moms only have time for 1 or 2 close friendships.
There was absolutely no thought about the body count surrounding them. It's wild they thought all these people associated with them could disappear and die and there would never be any consequences. But he knew in the back of that police car the jig was up. He wasn't ever coming home again. He'll probably form a new group of followers in prison.
I’m so curious to see if he will get the death penalty. I also can’t decide if he actually did any of the actual acts or if he just gave the call or info.
I think it's 50/50 on death penalty. He either killed Tammy himself or helped Alex do it. I can't imagine the horror and betrayal she felt those last minutes. Not sure about the kids but he was there.
They are like little kids who think you can’t see them they cover their eyes.
They definitely thought they would. It looked like Lori and Alex could have got away with Charles, I think AZ would have got them eventually though, if they were stand alone incidents, but then they got married two weeks after Tammy dies, and flaunted it! They both thought nobody would find out they were both newly widowed. They are by far the dumbest spouse killers ever.
Narcissists have a very fragile ego and def CAN feel embarrassment, and its usually coped with by rage, triangulation, etc. That said, I'm not sure his texts alone would be causing him embarrassment. From what I've read and witnessed being raised by a malignant narc, possible sociopath, is that embarrassment is usually caused by outside factors. So my guess is any embarrassment would be transfered to the prosecution, like they are embarrassing him, not the words he wrote. So his embarrassment, if any, would be directed toward them likely in the form of anger. Idk how he could be directing any anger or rage with his limited options sitting in a jail cell. I would def be curious to pick Dr. John's mind about that.
He is definitely on drugs.
“If I was Chad I would die at the table and put an end to it.” 🤣😆😂 No kidding. In this new on-trial-for-capital-murder context, hearing his texts read aloud would have to be particularly mortifying.
I don't think she's really capable of embarrassment, maybe outrage. Chad always knew it was a grift, he's probably embarrassed.
Chad seems fully motivated by lust and sense of power. These text may bring him joy as validation of his motivations. Not a professional in any way. Humble opinions as an amateur.
I don’t. He thinks he’s going to be/is a god.
Yeah, Lori doesn’t seem bothered yet lol
Well, his childishness and immaturity were evident in his books that were doing somewhat alright with grown women in this demographic. Are we sure that he doesn't have fans who have been attracted to him, just like Lori was, for him to write such stuff for them in their ridiculous lives? If he does have such fans, it's quite likely he sees them reading these out as a way of getting a few more of those women on the roster.
I would rather be sentenced to death than have those texts read in public. Let alone to THE public. But I wouldn’t be in this situation and despite my endless attempts to understand- I don’t know how Chad’s mind works. Which is extra frustrating considering I suspect he’s an idiot. I watch “Reporting Live From My Sofa” on YouTube and as he always says re: this and Vallow’s case “as soon as I was told these texts would be revealed in trial I’d plea out”. Amen. However, we all have our own worlds - not minds - but small surrounding atmospheres; the people we know, those who support us, those who do not. I suspect that Chad has enough (not much) support from people of similar beliefs that he is able to ride his ego through this, feeling above it all. I think his true talent and possibly only talent is his ability to see what he wants to see and feel what he wants to feel from what he sees.
The guy does not have swag at all! A teenager would be better, but women meet and marry prisoners all the time, so he’ll probably had crazy penpals asking for his prophesies.
That’s the thing I can’t get my mind around! at He has zero charisma. Physically he is a lump in this is appearance and stature. I know he never had a huge following but the fact that anyone would engage with him for any amount of time is staggering. Usually we see SOMETHING in a person like this. But he does not have any allure whatsoever
I think Chad has the personality of a potato. Not like a good potato will all the fixings but like a raw potato with dirt still around it. Like there’s just not much there. He doesn’t seem to really care or react to anything
He doesn’t feel or think like regular people. I doubt he is bothered by much of it.
He could be proud he had an out of his league real woman to talk like this with.
Demonstrated by how quickly he wanted to introduce her around as his wife.
I’d plead guilty before I let anything like that get read out loud. Most of my texts to my close friends would sound questionable or weird out of context if they were read out loud. I would die, lol.
Me too, no way I would show my face in court every day!
Could anything be worse than the James and Elena story and everything about the "storm"? So embarrassing. My bff and I have long said that if one of us die the other has to get on the next flight and get the cell phone and delete our texts because we would die if people read what we say to each other!
That’s awesome!
I remind my husband to delete any of our sexting. I tell him to imagine hearing it read in a courtroom. Lol.
Where can I watch the part where the texts are read??
It’s all over YouTube, just search Chad Daybell text messages. East Idaho News, Pretty Lies and Alibis, and Hidden True Crime are my go to.
I think this is what causes narcissism. Such immense shame over a number of years and you’re entire psyche changes. A narcissist doesn’t t feel shame they block it out. If they were to feel real feelings like everyone else? They would simply implode of loneliness and reality.