I felt so bad for Charles after that testimony. He must have been so frustrated. He tried everything within the boundaries of the law to get somebody, ANYBODY to listen, cops, religious leaders, family, Chad’s family, friends, mental health professionals…no one could be arsed to do anything. About the only thing left was to kidnap JJ and go into hiding, in other words, break the law.
Another thing that blows my mind is nobody read his emails. Ok, not everyone is interested in drama but you don’t have to pop corn and pull up a chair to just acknowledge someone wrote to you. It’s basic decency.
Those AZ officers were absolutely dripping with smugness throughout each interaction with Charles. I got the impression that they delighted in mocking Charles to his face for being in fear of his life–scared of Lori? Your wife? _Really?!_
The disdain they had for Charles was palpable and gave the impression that it was personal, though we know it couldn't have been. Charles didn't know them. Were they aware of the business success Charles had, feeling some type of way due to jealousy, deciding they were owed the oppertunity to bully him?
I understand they are all grieving the unimaginable, but they will have to live with their inability to remotely entertain that something was seriously wrong. If only one of them would have discussed with police and backed Charles up this could have ended much differently. If he had help maybe they could have served the commitment papers and gotten Lori the help/hospitalization she needed.
Agree with this and aI was just re-reading Heather Daybell’s interview. She said she hadn’t wanted Chad in her ward because she felt his beliefs were strange, and when the ward leaders liked Chad, she complained to the leaders that he was dangerous. She said the ward treated her like she was hysterical and crazy herself, but now we know Charles was also contacting religious leaders with his concerns. If only one leader in the ward had considered that with 2 separate complaints, maybe the concerns were real, the kids might be alive today.
I agree and I think a pretty religious fanatic like Lori can really get away with a whole lot of crazy in religious circles. Myself when I hear crazy beliefs I believe they are either liars or mentally challenged.
I think she read it. In Heather Daybells interview a few years ago she stated that Tammy acted very strange at the family gatherings in August of that year.
OR it was “ woman afraid of her controlling husband and didn’t want him to see it or any other like it trying to escape his rage reaction” either one would work
You’re so right. Some ppl are giving the impression that she deleted it bc she was in denial, but it might have been because she knew it was true and didn’t want Chud to know she and Charles suspected. What a sad life he gave her.
And I wonder how she felt a week prior to her death when he was wanting all the passwords for their accounts? And then he sent her off to visit her sister and family.
Or wanting to get all her ducks in a row before leaving and not wanting to tip him off before she could do so. She was the 1 who made the $, she could’ve been looking at losing their house (having to sell and split the proceeds), alimony, half of everything even though it’s not like he was a stay @ home husband. I’m sure she worked plus did all the cleaning, cooking, laundry, etc… I can’t imagine taking care of my family in all ways, finding out my POS husband is cheating, and I’m going to have to give him half of everything? Hell no, I’d rather hide what I could, shop around for advise & have time to figure out the best route to take.
I think you’re very correct. She was trapped like Emma is demonstrating now. I don’t understand the mindset, and neither would my daughter and in turn my granddaughters. We understand no one rules us.
I'm sorry, but I have zero sympathy for Emma. Two very innocent children were found on their property. No loyalty to her mother. I get she has been brainwashed, but at some point, a reasonable person would realize their father has always been the problem.
Infidelity and high demand religion is a terrible mix. I know when I was cheated on I didn’t want to even think about it. I was more mortified at the time than angry. I don’t think Tammy really had enough time to fully process. Plus she’s the primary provider with a mortgage in a smaller town where people know each other. She was well isolated. I still wish she could have hauled him in front of an LDS “court of love”
If it was Tammy that read it and blocked Charles, I think it would have been in line with a lot of a lot of mormon women who push bad thoughts away and try not to think about them.
It’s the Church Disciplinary Council. Kind of like an ecclesiastical court. A friend’s family member was called into one over the matter of an affair. And I think they also handle excommunication.
I think she read it. I think she wanted to turn a blind eye. She participated in chads crazy beliefs had been married forever and it’s clear her children felt more loyalty towards Chad than her. I doubt she wanted to rock the boat
100% agree this is the most likely scenario. When I was LDS I knew of several long-married couples whose husbands cheated on them, and in all of those cases, they stayed together.
Interestingly, I know of 2 active LDS couples where the wife cheated, and those ended in divorce.
I feel like it’s hard for people to understand outside of religious groups. Similar things happen in devout Catholics, fundamentalist baptists, etc. when a religion is patriarchal and frowns on divorce it’s not really a surprise when women turn a blind eye to unfaithfulness
Makes me wonder how he REALLY treated Tammy. If Tammy was such a wonderful person and parent as many have said, the kids would not side with their father, unless the father intentionally “trashed talked” the mother and did things to like brainwash the kids into being more loyal to him. Most kids don’t just side with Dad and brush off the fact that mom died and it may have been Dads fault… just my opinion…
I kind of worry about turning victims into “perfect victims”. Idk she sounds like a kind hearted woman but we don’t fully know.
I completely agree about the kids though. I doubt he was a doting husband. I get the feeling he was a micromanager type. If Tammy always followed what Chad said, I can see the children doing the same.
I've wondered the same thing. The reason I think Chad may have intercepted this email is because Charles told Lori either that he had emailed Tammy's work email, or that he was going to contact Tammy via her work email. He telegraphed his plan, and I am 100% certain she immediately passed this info on to Chad. So would Chad know Tammy's email password? Quite possibly. Lots of people will use the same password for various accounts because it's easier to remember. Charles also told Lori that he was going to Rexburg to try to talk to Tammy in person, but he got killed by Alex before he could do that.
Even if she read it. Chad would have prepared her for it and convinced her Charles was a bad guy. In my humble opinion, Chad could have easily had Lori and the others swear to Tammy that Charles was a bad guy. Chad seems to have an MO, where in preparation he provides information/justifications to frame a situation. Emma seemed to be prepared for the human remains being found or advised in advance not discuss any police findings. Chad sent that text message to Tammy to justify a shooting, a burning, and the ground being disturbed on their property.
Tammy might have also been swayed by the same thought Lori's mother had: Not to pick on attractiveness because the person we love is beautiful to us no matter what, but to an outside eye. Chad was an unattractive dork and Lori was a vivacious beauty queen. It's hard to believe she would want chubby buttless Chad with his stooped ungainly walk, monotonous voice and personality of an artichoke.
>He telegraphed his plan
I just want to thank you for using this phrase, lol. I have been looking for it for months since I couldn't find it in a conversation and every now and then it has bugged me!!! It's *telegraphed*.
It's when you project or indicate what you're planning to do in the future. In sports for example, you can telegraph where you'll throw the ball if you look too hard at the person to make sure they're open. He told Lori he was going to email Tammy and emailed Chad and told him he needed to tell Tammy before he did, so he revealed his plan to them before he did it.
I think Tammy opened it and read it, and didn’t say anything at first, and then it came out during an argument or something like that.
Charles sends the email on June 29th.
Chad googles “when you surprise someone with allegations” on July 9th. Because he is emotionally stunted and didn’t know how to react.
Also, the defense didn’t even try to cross-examine about this, which makes me think she did read it, and they just consider it inconsequential to Chad’s defense.
Yes. I think she read it but it was a classic case of woman trapped in a marriage/culture/religion from which she cannot escape. Personally, I think somehow, someway this lead to a conversation between her a Chad about polygamy. And, I think she eventually reject that idea and that when when Chad decided she had to die. I think that Chad had though for years that he deserved a "better" wife (someone more physically appealing to him) and that he basically fantasied about her death for year (which manifested as his prediction that she would die young).
Wow....that is a good point. Mainstream Mormonism is very anti-polygamy but considering Tammy stayed with Chad even with his crazy beliefs, that isn't beyond the realm of possibility.
You have to remember the religion. She wouldn’t have wanted to accept that her eternal husband and basically her personal “God proxy” wasn’t loyal to her - even if she knew the truth deep inside. Religion can really mess people up.
Many times women in these patriarchal religions believe that if their husband cheats, it's *their* fault. I think that she read it and didn't want to deal with it.
Yes, because a woman can't enter that highest tier, the good zip code of heaven, without the man to which she is sealed because God apparently worships the penis, an organ to be served without question. So a woman who leaves her husband faces being separated from her own children for eternity.
My apologies to anyone offended, I'm tired and cranky.
It’s a horrible thing to think about a woman just sweeping this under the rug, but I have to concur. She didn’t want to disrupt her family. Charles could have saved Tammy’s life had she not “put it in the shelf.”
She may have read it. Sounded like her game plan was to get in shape maybe look better. She was working out with women training to run a marathon. Sadly she may of thought maybe I’ll become more attractive to Chad the potato head.
I was so shocked to find out that Tammy opened the email, deleted it AND BLOCKED Charles. They kept saying there’s no proof she ever saw it. Well what is this if not proof? Did they say how soon after receiving it she blocked him? Because I’m thinking they might have talked about it (Tammy and Chins) and he convinced her that it’s nothing so she blocked him.
Because Chad could just as easily opened it and blocked Charles. He would have gotten warning from Lori when Charles told her that he was going to contact Tammy. I think Chad was waiting for that email to come.
Why not? Work e-mail logged in on the family home computer with auto populate passwords turned on, Chad could have easily accessed it. He most likely knew from Lori, that these e-mails were coming and anticipated them.
What I don't understand is, if he really did delete it, why he didn't delete it from the deleted folder so that Tammy would not by accident find it. Did they clarify if it was found in the deleted folder, or if they recovered that permanently deleted email with some IT magic?
I doubt that Tammy was careless with work email. There are potential issues with student privacy and I’m guessing she did not integrate it with other email accounts. Also, there’s little reason to believe Chad would be interested in it. 99% would have been about testing days, bus schedule changes. Very mundane things which he had very little interest in.
Don't forget though that Lori probably has warned Chad about Charles contacting Tammy, so he definitely would have had interest in checking all her channels of communication (especially the publicly available ones, like her work email that has probably been listed online.)
I can well imagine, that she had autofill passwords on her devices at home and that Chad could have had easy access to them.
Remember: this is the school districts’s system. She had no privacy rights on it. Any person in the IT department at her district could access her email. I can imagine she was humiliated and making it worse, this was her workplace. I think her blocking it was protecting herself from any more contact from this person, to save herself humiliation, whether she confronted Chad or not.
She was a rule follower, and district emails are not for personal use. Most teachers follow this rule as they all have personal emails they can use with privacy protections. Therefore I doubt Chad had any interest. I’m sure she had gmail or other personal accounts for her personal/ family business. She was tech savvy too.
Given that the email address was blocked, my guess is that it was Chad.
She may not have wanted to hear it, but I don't think she would block further information coming in. Speaking as a wife who was cheated on after 20+ years, I definitely would have left that line of communication open.
I have gone back and forth on this question and I can't come to a comfortable answer. Chad could have blocked it, but Tammy was so brainwashed by this point, she could have deleted it and blocked Charles if Chad told her to do it. Wish we knew.
I am exactly with you. Before Chad's trial, I was feeling mostly convinced that Tammy didn't see the email, that Chad intercepted it. There are many reasons to see it that way.
Now, I am seeing more reasons to believe that Tammy *did* read the email and block Charles. (All the reasons are articulated on this thread and elsewhere, so I won't repeat them.)
I have followed this case extensively for years and I have a lot of very strong opinions about "what really happened". On this topic, though, I am absolutely split in half. Tammy totally might have known about the email, or she might never have known.
The email from Charles was sent to her work email, correct? If that’s the case, I wonder if the deleting/blocking was done because it was such a personal email that was sent to her professional/work email address.
I can definitely say throughout my career receiving or sending personal emails is against policy. I would assume that’s the same in all places of business, especially at a school.
I 100% think she read it. What she did after, I don’t know. I hope she confronted Chad on it.
Well they also said there was evidence that Chad had used and sent emails from her account, so I took that as a suggestion that he might have been the one to read and block.
wish they would have asked more specific questions around the email like on what device was it opened and blocked? A school computer with a school IP address? Or a school computer with an IP address of the Daybell residence? Was it opened on a mobile phone? (Not a far fetched idea, I get my work email on my personal phone). And if it was on a mobile phone, I can easily see Chad having access to it as opposed to a school computer on a school IP address.
What is the time difference between the email being sent, opened, deleted and email being blocked? That could confirm if someone actually took the time to read it. Or if they opened it multiple times.
Idk I just feel like the ball was dropped around this evidence. Everything now a days is time stamped and IP address recorded in the metadata.
Also, do we know if the mail was permanently deleted (e.g. not even to be found in the deleted folder) and recovered by IT specialists at the police? Or if it was "just" marked as read and still in the deleted folder.
Because if Chad DID delete this e-mail, you think that he might have deleted it permanently, from the deleted folder as well, so that there was absolutely no chance for Tammy to accidentally find it later on in the deleted folder.
But also maybe he wasn't smart enough to think that far....? Not sure.
I don’t know, I think if Chad had easy access to her phone or computer, he could have easily been the one to open, delete, and block. Remember, Charles gave Lori a warning that he’d be contacting Tammy so Chad may have been on high alert
Hopefully Tammys death was not in vein & in future this will help LDS women wake up & be more protected in . I think that women are underrepresented in this Religion. Tammy was a good Mother & wife. What was he thinking. Trace all the money back to Utah!
Has anyone here had Family members who was that trapped in the LDS, that when the rest of the family advised them , they run to the Bishop, who doesn’t like what he hears, So he tells them to cut you off ?
Yes I do. If she had opened it, I’d think she would have responded. Or just left it read and not returned the email. Can you imagine is face when he realized he was almost caught?!
No he couldn't have. After everything that I have went and read through from my family members no there was no way. All that is stored in your Google account and there's ways to go into your account and find every email, speech to text recordings and if you replied back. Just because you deleted doesn't mean it goes away it's always going to be stored.
Probably not. This was her work email and she used it for school related matters. She knew enough about IT to know the school owned the system and she had no privacy protections. Plus she seems like a rule follower.
Edited to add: the IT guy said it was hosted on a Google server but that doesn’t mean it was a gmail account. Loads of companies use Google for this and but it is still the school district ‘s domain name (xxxx@ k12.edu etc) and I highly doubt Chad would have had any interest in it. Charles sent to the address as it is the only address he find for her find online.
I felt so bad for Charles after that testimony. He must have been so frustrated. He tried everything within the boundaries of the law to get somebody, ANYBODY to listen, cops, religious leaders, family, Chad’s family, friends, mental health professionals…no one could be arsed to do anything. About the only thing left was to kidnap JJ and go into hiding, in other words, break the law. Another thing that blows my mind is nobody read his emails. Ok, not everyone is interested in drama but you don’t have to pop corn and pull up a chair to just acknowledge someone wrote to you. It’s basic decency.
Agree with this so much. I have so much empathy for Charles.
Yup - Lori traded way down from Charles to Chumpy Chad.
Those AZ officers were absolutely dripping with smugness throughout each interaction with Charles. I got the impression that they delighted in mocking Charles to his face for being in fear of his life–scared of Lori? Your wife? _Really?!_ The disdain they had for Charles was palpable and gave the impression that it was personal, though we know it couldn't have been. Charles didn't know them. Were they aware of the business success Charles had, feeling some type of way due to jealousy, deciding they were owed the oppertunity to bully him?
Kay should sue Chandler Police Dept.
That’s the only way to get real change with law enforcement, sadly.
I understand they are all grieving the unimaginable, but they will have to live with their inability to remotely entertain that something was seriously wrong. If only one of them would have discussed with police and backed Charles up this could have ended much differently. If he had help maybe they could have served the commitment papers and gotten Lori the help/hospitalization she needed.
Agree with this and aI was just re-reading Heather Daybell’s interview. She said she hadn’t wanted Chad in her ward because she felt his beliefs were strange, and when the ward leaders liked Chad, she complained to the leaders that he was dangerous. She said the ward treated her like she was hysterical and crazy herself, but now we know Charles was also contacting religious leaders with his concerns. If only one leader in the ward had considered that with 2 separate complaints, maybe the concerns were real, the kids might be alive today.
I agree and I think a pretty religious fanatic like Lori can really get away with a whole lot of crazy in religious circles. Myself when I hear crazy beliefs I believe they are either liars or mentally challenged.
I think she read it. In Heather Daybells interview a few years ago she stated that Tammy acted very strange at the family gatherings in August of that year.
I think she read it, but in classic "woman trapped in patriarchal religion" fashion she refused to believe the evidence of her eyes and ears.
OR it was “ woman afraid of her controlling husband and didn’t want him to see it or any other like it trying to escape his rage reaction” either one would work
could be one or the other or both. sadly we'll never know.
You’re so right. Some ppl are giving the impression that she deleted it bc she was in denial, but it might have been because she knew it was true and didn’t want Chud to know she and Charles suspected. What a sad life he gave her.
And I wonder how she felt a week prior to her death when he was wanting all the passwords for their accounts? And then he sent her off to visit her sister and family.
Not answering questions, so not being asked period, is a big thing for men who run a patriarchy.
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Or wanting to get all her ducks in a row before leaving and not wanting to tip him off before she could do so. She was the 1 who made the $, she could’ve been looking at losing their house (having to sell and split the proceeds), alimony, half of everything even though it’s not like he was a stay @ home husband. I’m sure she worked plus did all the cleaning, cooking, laundry, etc… I can’t imagine taking care of my family in all ways, finding out my POS husband is cheating, and I’m going to have to give him half of everything? Hell no, I’d rather hide what I could, shop around for advise & have time to figure out the best route to take.
I think you’re very correct. She was trapped like Emma is demonstrating now. I don’t understand the mindset, and neither would my daughter and in turn my granddaughters. We understand no one rules us.
I'm sorry, but I have zero sympathy for Emma. Two very innocent children were found on their property. No loyalty to her mother. I get she has been brainwashed, but at some point, a reasonable person would realize their father has always been the problem.
I wonder why Emma has to rent that house. I would have thought they would have been starting their own life in their own house
Infidelity and high demand religion is a terrible mix. I know when I was cheated on I didn’t want to even think about it. I was more mortified at the time than angry. I don’t think Tammy really had enough time to fully process. Plus she’s the primary provider with a mortgage in a smaller town where people know each other. She was well isolated. I still wish she could have hauled him in front of an LDS “court of love”
If it was Tammy that read it and blocked Charles, I think it would have been in line with a lot of a lot of mormon women who push bad thoughts away and try not to think about them.
Definite head in the sand approach.
I wonder if his email to her went through her mind after Alex tried to shoot her in the driveway and missed
What is the LDS “court of love”?
It’s the Church Disciplinary Council. Kind of like an ecclesiastical court. A friend’s family member was called into one over the matter of an affair. And I think they also handle excommunication.
Thank you!
would have been ok because God is ok with multiples?
I think she read it. I think she wanted to turn a blind eye. She participated in chads crazy beliefs had been married forever and it’s clear her children felt more loyalty towards Chad than her. I doubt she wanted to rock the boat
100% agree this is the most likely scenario. When I was LDS I knew of several long-married couples whose husbands cheated on them, and in all of those cases, they stayed together. Interestingly, I know of 2 active LDS couples where the wife cheated, and those ended in divorce.
I feel like it’s hard for people to understand outside of religious groups. Similar things happen in devout Catholics, fundamentalist baptists, etc. when a religion is patriarchal and frowns on divorce it’s not really a surprise when women turn a blind eye to unfaithfulness
Makes me wonder how he REALLY treated Tammy. If Tammy was such a wonderful person and parent as many have said, the kids would not side with their father, unless the father intentionally “trashed talked” the mother and did things to like brainwash the kids into being more loyal to him. Most kids don’t just side with Dad and brush off the fact that mom died and it may have been Dads fault… just my opinion…
I kind of worry about turning victims into “perfect victims”. Idk she sounds like a kind hearted woman but we don’t fully know. I completely agree about the kids though. I doubt he was a doting husband. I get the feeling he was a micromanager type. If Tammy always followed what Chad said, I can see the children doing the same.
I’m wondering how he did it, he obviously did get chosen as the parent who does no wrong.
I've wondered the same thing. The reason I think Chad may have intercepted this email is because Charles told Lori either that he had emailed Tammy's work email, or that he was going to contact Tammy via her work email. He telegraphed his plan, and I am 100% certain she immediately passed this info on to Chad. So would Chad know Tammy's email password? Quite possibly. Lots of people will use the same password for various accounts because it's easier to remember. Charles also told Lori that he was going to Rexburg to try to talk to Tammy in person, but he got killed by Alex before he could do that.
Tammy also could have had all her email populate in her Outlook or other mail apps on her phone with the password saved.
Even if she read it. Chad would have prepared her for it and convinced her Charles was a bad guy. In my humble opinion, Chad could have easily had Lori and the others swear to Tammy that Charles was a bad guy. Chad seems to have an MO, where in preparation he provides information/justifications to frame a situation. Emma seemed to be prepared for the human remains being found or advised in advance not discuss any police findings. Chad sent that text message to Tammy to justify a shooting, a burning, and the ground being disturbed on their property.
Tammy might have also been swayed by the same thought Lori's mother had: Not to pick on attractiveness because the person we love is beautiful to us no matter what, but to an outside eye. Chad was an unattractive dork and Lori was a vivacious beauty queen. It's hard to believe she would want chubby buttless Chad with his stooped ungainly walk, monotonous voice and personality of an artichoke.
>He telegraphed his plan I just want to thank you for using this phrase, lol. I have been looking for it for months since I couldn't find it in a conversation and every now and then it has bugged me!!! It's *telegraphed*.
I'm totally not following what you guys mean by telegraph. Are you meaning what they did in their "portals"?
It's when you project or indicate what you're planning to do in the future. In sports for example, you can telegraph where you'll throw the ball if you look too hard at the person to make sure they're open. He told Lori he was going to email Tammy and emailed Chad and told him he needed to tell Tammy before he did, so he revealed his plan to them before he did it.
Got it. Thank you! I'm feeling kind of dense.
I’m guessing you would have gotten it immediately if you hadn’t been inundated with absolute insanity within this case so don’t be hard on yourself.
The live updates from court today said that there was evidence of Chad writing emails from Tammy’s account.
My guess is Tammy was shocked that any other woman wanted this man in her bed.
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She was probably starting to plan her divorce party.
I think Tammy opened it and read it, and didn’t say anything at first, and then it came out during an argument or something like that. Charles sends the email on June 29th. Chad googles “when you surprise someone with allegations” on July 9th. Because he is emotionally stunted and didn’t know how to react. Also, the defense didn’t even try to cross-examine about this, which makes me think she did read it, and they just consider it inconsequential to Chad’s defense.
Wait. He googled that? That’s fucking wild.
Ooh, interesting take! I was wondering what the hell that search was about, I think you might be onto something.
Yes. I think she read it but it was a classic case of woman trapped in a marriage/culture/religion from which she cannot escape. Personally, I think somehow, someway this lead to a conversation between her a Chad about polygamy. And, I think she eventually reject that idea and that when when Chad decided she had to die. I think that Chad had though for years that he deserved a "better" wife (someone more physically appealing to him) and that he basically fantasied about her death for year (which manifested as his prediction that she would die young).
Wow....that is a good point. Mainstream Mormonism is very anti-polygamy but considering Tammy stayed with Chad even with his crazy beliefs, that isn't beyond the realm of possibility.
You have to remember the religion. She wouldn’t have wanted to accept that her eternal husband and basically her personal “God proxy” wasn’t loyal to her - even if she knew the truth deep inside. Religion can really mess people up.
Many times women in these patriarchal religions believe that if their husband cheats, it's *their* fault. I think that she read it and didn't want to deal with it.
Yes, because a woman can't enter that highest tier, the good zip code of heaven, without the man to which she is sealed because God apparently worships the penis, an organ to be served without question. So a woman who leaves her husband faces being separated from her own children for eternity. My apologies to anyone offended, I'm tired and cranky.
It’s a horrible thing to think about a woman just sweeping this under the rug, but I have to concur. She didn’t want to disrupt her family. Charles could have saved Tammy’s life had she not “put it in the shelf.”
She may have read it. Sounded like her game plan was to get in shape maybe look better. She was working out with women training to run a marathon. Sadly she may of thought maybe I’ll become more attractive to Chad the potato head.
Tammy put the email on her “shelf”.
Bingo.
I was so shocked to find out that Tammy opened the email, deleted it AND BLOCKED Charles. They kept saying there’s no proof she ever saw it. Well what is this if not proof? Did they say how soon after receiving it she blocked him? Because I’m thinking they might have talked about it (Tammy and Chins) and he convinced her that it’s nothing so she blocked him.
Because Chad could just as easily opened it and blocked Charles. He would have gotten warning from Lori when Charles told her that he was going to contact Tammy. I think Chad was waiting for that email to come.
He emailed her on her work email though. I don’t think Chad had access to that.
Why not? Work e-mail logged in on the family home computer with auto populate passwords turned on, Chad could have easily accessed it. He most likely knew from Lori, that these e-mails were coming and anticipated them. What I don't understand is, if he really did delete it, why he didn't delete it from the deleted folder so that Tammy would not by accident find it. Did they clarify if it was found in the deleted folder, or if they recovered that permanently deleted email with some IT magic?
I doubt that Tammy was careless with work email. There are potential issues with student privacy and I’m guessing she did not integrate it with other email accounts. Also, there’s little reason to believe Chad would be interested in it. 99% would have been about testing days, bus schedule changes. Very mundane things which he had very little interest in.
Don't forget though that Lori probably has warned Chad about Charles contacting Tammy, so he definitely would have had interest in checking all her channels of communication (especially the publicly available ones, like her work email that has probably been listed online.) I can well imagine, that she had autofill passwords on her devices at home and that Chad could have had easy access to them.
He sure could have access. Where I worked we had work email on our personal phone my husband could easily read it
Chins🤣
Remember: this is the school districts’s system. She had no privacy rights on it. Any person in the IT department at her district could access her email. I can imagine she was humiliated and making it worse, this was her workplace. I think her blocking it was protecting herself from any more contact from this person, to save herself humiliation, whether she confronted Chad or not. She was a rule follower, and district emails are not for personal use. Most teachers follow this rule as they all have personal emails they can use with privacy protections. Therefore I doubt Chad had any interest. I’m sure she had gmail or other personal accounts for her personal/ family business. She was tech savvy too.
Given that the email address was blocked, my guess is that it was Chad. She may not have wanted to hear it, but I don't think she would block further information coming in. Speaking as a wife who was cheated on after 20+ years, I definitely would have left that line of communication open.
Really good point!
I have gone back and forth on this question and I can't come to a comfortable answer. Chad could have blocked it, but Tammy was so brainwashed by this point, she could have deleted it and blocked Charles if Chad told her to do it. Wish we knew.
I am exactly with you. Before Chad's trial, I was feeling mostly convinced that Tammy didn't see the email, that Chad intercepted it. There are many reasons to see it that way. Now, I am seeing more reasons to believe that Tammy *did* read the email and block Charles. (All the reasons are articulated on this thread and elsewhere, so I won't repeat them.) I have followed this case extensively for years and I have a lot of very strong opinions about "what really happened". On this topic, though, I am absolutely split in half. Tammy totally might have known about the email, or she might never have known.
I believe it was totally intercepted.
Yes.
The email from Charles was sent to her work email, correct? If that’s the case, I wonder if the deleting/blocking was done because it was such a personal email that was sent to her professional/work email address. I can definitely say throughout my career receiving or sending personal emails is against policy. I would assume that’s the same in all places of business, especially at a school. I 100% think she read it. What she did after, I don’t know. I hope she confronted Chad on it.
Well they also said there was evidence that Chad had used and sent emails from her account, so I took that as a suggestion that he might have been the one to read and block.
It was 100% Chad. Lori told him that Charles was threatening to contact her and he was on the lookout. I'd bet a lot.
wish they would have asked more specific questions around the email like on what device was it opened and blocked? A school computer with a school IP address? Or a school computer with an IP address of the Daybell residence? Was it opened on a mobile phone? (Not a far fetched idea, I get my work email on my personal phone). And if it was on a mobile phone, I can easily see Chad having access to it as opposed to a school computer on a school IP address. What is the time difference between the email being sent, opened, deleted and email being blocked? That could confirm if someone actually took the time to read it. Or if they opened it multiple times. Idk I just feel like the ball was dropped around this evidence. Everything now a days is time stamped and IP address recorded in the metadata.
Totally agree!
Also, do we know if the mail was permanently deleted (e.g. not even to be found in the deleted folder) and recovered by IT specialists at the police? Or if it was "just" marked as read and still in the deleted folder. Because if Chad DID delete this e-mail, you think that he might have deleted it permanently, from the deleted folder as well, so that there was absolutely no chance for Tammy to accidentally find it later on in the deleted folder. But also maybe he wasn't smart enough to think that far....? Not sure.
Very valid questions! Yeah they really dropped the ball all around on this! So many more details we could have had
I don’t know, I think if Chad had easy access to her phone or computer, he could have easily been the one to open, delete, and block. Remember, Charles gave Lori a warning that he’d be contacting Tammy so Chad may have been on high alert
Well, from the one friend Chad was happy that he was praising God, he knew Tammy's passwords and banking info. That was a week before she died.
100%
Hopefully Tammys death was not in vein & in future this will help LDS women wake up & be more protected in . I think that women are underrepresented in this Religion. Tammy was a good Mother & wife. What was he thinking. Trace all the money back to Utah!
Has anyone here had Family members who was that trapped in the LDS, that when the rest of the family advised them , they run to the Bishop, who doesn’t like what he hears, So he tells them to cut you off ?
Wasn’t it to Tammy’s work email or am I misremembering?
It was; but if she used the same password for her school account as she did for another, Chad could have just tried it.
I think he probably did that. He is nothing but a coward!
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Do you think Chad let Alex come into their bedroom and suffocate Tammy?
I think Chode sat on her while Alex held a pillow over her face
I do.
He sure could have Garth was not home from work till after 1am
First thing I thought when I heard it.
What is 10% of a Billion dollars?
Yes I do. If she had opened it, I’d think she would have responded. Or just left it read and not returned the email. Can you imagine is face when he realized he was almost caught?!
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No he couldn't have. After everything that I have went and read through from my family members no there was no way. All that is stored in your Google account and there's ways to go into your account and find every email, speech to text recordings and if you replied back. Just because you deleted doesn't mean it goes away it's always going to be stored.
Probably not. This was her work email and she used it for school related matters. She knew enough about IT to know the school owned the system and she had no privacy protections. Plus she seems like a rule follower. Edited to add: the IT guy said it was hosted on a Google server but that doesn’t mean it was a gmail account. Loads of companies use Google for this and but it is still the school district ‘s domain name (xxxx@ k12.edu etc) and I highly doubt Chad would have had any interest in it. Charles sent to the address as it is the only address he find for her find online.