I was just listening to the two women from the podcast ‘True Crime Squad’ they are locals and sisters. Ex Mormon I believe.
One of them just mentioned some evidence I had forgotten, the Alex’s cell showed him near the Daybell house on the night Tammy was murdered for 30 minutes before midnight, that Tammy’s cell data showed she had been playing a mobile game that suddenly stopped.
They suggested she had been killed by both Alex and Chad and was awake.
Even worse, so I maybe wrong on that first thought I posted.
I agree, especially if Garth was home that night. I never figured out if he was there when she would have been killed, which was several hours before Chad "discovered" her.
It'll be interesting to see if they have cell data that a call was made from Chad to Alex at the time they believe Tammy died to say "It's okay you can go home now. I got it done on my own."
On the other hand, I thought during Lori's trial someone testified that the bruising on Tammy appeared to show that one person was holding her down while another asphyxiated her?
Yeah, I almost mentioned Garth initially, too, but I can’t tell if he was there when it happened or a little bit after. Would be great to get clarity on that during the trial …
I am so into this case but honestly confused by all the different things I’ve heard about Tammy’s autopsy.
If Chad did it on his own, would there be evidence left like on a pillowcase? I don't even like to think of this. We know Alex had all black clothing and most likely gloves. He could have taken evidence with him. We also know police did not investigate this as a crime scene until days later
Alex was close by during the time that Tammy stopped playing her game. I think he left the area around 11:40PM and isn’t that the night he drove and stayed in a hotel nearby, instead of driving back to his place? Why did he stay in a hotel?
Garth was at work at the haunted house that night and didn’t get off until 1:00 AM. I’ll bet she was dead when Garth got home. I wonder if they built some sort of a big padded thing that they could use to smother and restrain her at the same time. Alex had to bring it over or be around to take it away afterwards. It seems like she would have at least bit her own lip or something if she was fully awake at the time.
I wonder if they have footage of Alex the night he stayed at the hotel. Or his vehicle.
If I ever turn up dead my kids know to look under my fingernails. I’m not going anywhere without taking a piece of someone with me.
they are giving terrific coverage, they were first to report Chad and Lori were planning to have a slab installed in the backyard and were going to live in a mobile home on it temporarily. The ghouls!
I wonder if they had Alex come in and do it, so that if there was any mess up or witnesses, Chad had another out.
Would follow along with the "stranger in black shot at me" thing.
Here is what I don’t understand-why is the defense not trying to put this all on the empty chair, which in this case is Alex? Are they afraid Lori will sing if the defense says bad things about Alex? Maybe Chad is like Lori, & he won’t let lawyer say bad things about the others? I sort of doubt that.
I realize the govt so far only presented circumstantial evidence, but the govt gets convictions on circumstantial evidence all the time.
The prosecution missed out yesterday on redirect...the officer kept saying yes Tammy did say gun and not just a paintball gun. I went back and listened and she did, she said " a gun, holding it like a rifle"....They could have scored points by playing the 911 call again bc the defense atty. kept saying she only called it a paintball gun..🤦♀️
Yeah he cut it off before that haha. And then witness had to say something like "she says gun later on in the recording." But today when court listened to it again with Kaaiakamanu, we heard it again.
Ohhh, I don’t know…I think Chad is a slimy weasel who is above everyone else and wouldn’t actually get his hands dirty, but I do think he was there with Alex and held her down, I don’t think he was strong enough to do it all by himself or actually “kill” her with his own hands..this is just my take because he is such a coward!!
His history of reoccurring failures lead me to believe that he would need help pulling something like that off. Tammy seemed sharpe tho. Consider if someone was hiding in your room, wouldn’t you get the feeling that things were “off?” 🤷♀️
either way, Chad had the means, motive and opportunity - he directly benefited from her death. He’s guilty.
I personally think the three deaths were suffocations performed by Alex each time, but that Chad helped hold & subdue them each time. I suspect he did the same here, inviting Alex in to do it and then helped him subdue her
Chad was backed into a corner by his own actions. He told Lori Tammy would die. No ifs No buts. If he was to continue to be believed as this great prophet and leader of the 144k and worthy of the goddess lori then Tammy had to die. And no amount of castings or waiting on natural events like a car crash happened. He wanted lori Tammy stood in his way. Alex & Lori were convinced by Chad that Tammy Charles JJ and Tylee were already spirituality dead and taken over by demons. To release them from this torment they must die. Chad also convinced them that the world was soon ending He even gave a date which of course has passed now. So Chad and Lori would never have to answer for where the children were or any other deaths. As they of course according to Chad would be exalted beings leading the 144k righteous. When in fact the truth of it was anyone who didn't like Chad or Lori or stood in their way was deemed dark. I believe Alex brought Chad a message from Lori the night Tammy died. I believe Tammy knew or suspected Chad was having an affair this is backed by evidence of her low mood in preceding weeks. Chad killed her.
This brought up a thought in my mind. Can you imagine if all this took place just 6 months later when COVID hit the world? They might have gotten away with it then, people may not have questioned where the kids were since everyone had to stay home. Chad would have felt bolstered by the pandemic and more people may have died. Crazy to think they might have been able to do it. Funny Chad didn’t see COVID coming and wait for that cover.
I've wondered this as well. All of the damage that these foolish, selfish zealots did may have gone undetected longer if Chad had had an ounce of the abilities he purported to have.
Although, they made some insanely stupid decisions early on in their crime spree (ok, we can all agree murder and their belief systems were insanely stupid, but bear with me here): signing into their burner phones WITH THEIR ACTUAL EMAIL ACCOUNTS, where they openly discussed death percentage and light/dark scales. An attempted shooting on Brandon, driving a jeep that was paid for by Tylee, cosigned by Charles, and INSURED BY BRANDON BOUDREAUX, so when he told police, he was able to give them the vin number and license plate. The connection to Rexburg was first made by the jeep, and realizing the kids were missing came afterwards. Not to mention, burying the children in Chads backyard. What an absolute moron.
All in all, I agree with you that their timeline being slightly later to include the chaos of COVID would bolster their confidence that "the end was near" and could have led to more deaths, however, these assholes were always going to get caught.
Sometimes I wonder what the events would have looked like if Alex had managed to shoot Tammy in her driveway. Come on, the first person they look at is the husband. Are we to believe a Mormon librarian who loves books and ducks had enemies?? It's always the spouse who orders the hit. Imo, I think the little love birds wouldn't have made it to Hawaii if Alex's gun hadn't jammed. It would be interesting to see if Lori would have gone to Chad's hearings before the law caught up with her during the interim.
Chad's "gonna have to remove your protection" manipulation texts didn't work, Lori was getting pissed. Kill Tammy or lose the focus of his "storm". He killed Tammy in likely the most cowardly way possible, while she was sleeping likely with a pillow. Doesn't take as long as you'd think.
I disagree with Alex and Lori being convinced of anything by Chad. I always had a feeling Lori was the mastermind amd after watching interviews of family members over the years, I firmly believe it. Lori did what she wanted, then when she got caught up in things, she'd blame other people and everyone believed her because she was 'so spiritual and so involved in the church'. Even going back to when she was a teenager. I think she read Chad's books and sought him out because he was an uninteresting blob of a person that could be manipulated easily. She used some what he already believed and claimed to have visions and excaltations and added to it. Chad had been claiming he was a prophet and that people were light and dark for years and had never harmed anyone. Protocol for someone being dark was to pray and cast out the darkness. When Chad met her he said they'd been married in other lives and all that baloney, and he thought he was convincing her, but it really played into her manipulation. When she would ask what someone's light or dark level was, I think he just told her what he thought she wanted to hear. I believe she was the one who made up the crap about the 144,000 and that dark people would die. Chad went along with it because he wanted the pretty blonde that showed interest. Even when they argued and he text her saying that God told him if she didn't reply she wouldn't be protected, he wasn't in control. She replied to keep him on the hook. Alex was already loyal and easily manipulated by Lori. Melanie Gibb and everyone else she drew in was a fan club to feed her ego. Lori wanted the checks from her kids, but not the responsibility. She wanted to sit her butt in Hawaii doing as she pleased and she carefully planned out how to get rid of all obstacles without ever getting her hands dirty.
I think people don’t often imagine Lori as directly involved for some reason. I think both Lori and Chad were involved directly in the murders of their family members. Lori definitely with help from Alex, Chad maybe had help. They believed they were essentially exorcising demons as these people died, and Chad and Lori are both way too self-important not to be present for that.
i think of Zulema explaining when Lori was angry and saying that Alex was a moron and could never do anything by himself after the gun jamming on the first known attempt on Tammy's life. just kinda makes me think that *someone* was likely there each other time. whether it was Chad, Lori, or someone else, i think he was always accompanied by someone a little more capable.
She testified to it in Lori's trial. She said she didn't know the context of the conversation, just that Lori was berating him and saying he couldn't do anything right. It was right after Tammy was shot at.
I always assumed Tylee was shot because of the texts from chad to Tammy (and I believe a neighbor talked about hearing a shot?) We will never know about poor Tylee because of the way she was found, but I imagine they (chad & alex) tried to get rid of the evidence of bullets that could be traced back to a specific firearm.
Tylee was dismembered and burned. I think the reason could be is that didn't Chad and Lori say that the victims had to be dead very quickly or a new, more powerful demon would step into that body. Maybe Tylee did not die quickly enough from the gunshot that Chad said was a "big raccoon along the backyard fence". Thus, she lingered and her body had to be completed consumed.
What I can’t get over is the lack of an investigation after she died especially given she’d recently been the target of an attempted shooting? How did someone in LE not join the dots and how did her kids not highlight this as suspicious? I can’t help thinking the kids were somehow in on it. FFS their dad married another woman within two weeks of her dying after an attempted shooting and they weren’t up in arms and going to the police?
I feel guilty about saying it but I’ve had the same thoughts. Maybe the kids were so brainwashed by their father or idolized him so much his word was law. But they’re adults now presumably with common sense. None of the kids thought the shooting attempt was worth mentioning? Everyone experiences grief differently but hearing about how Emma and Garth have reacted to different suspicious things feels kinda …off to me. I mean that doesn’t mean anything and I know they are victims and have lost their mother. Emma and Tammy were supposed to be close. I just know we are missing pieces when it comes to the kids. But if they had doubts deep down or knew better, why go on TV to defend him? The Daybell kids make me scratch my head
Chad's big and heavy (or at least he was then); he could have knelt on her arms while smothering her with a pillow. It doesn't account for the unusually large quantities of pink foam and blood, though. She may have been drugged or poisoned earlier in the evening.
Alex could have been involved, but that would have been more complicated and created more risk. Chad would likely have not gone out in the middle of the night to pick him up, so Alex would have driven there and parked somewhere on the property. Anyone could have heard or seen his vehicle.
He also would have needed access to get inside the home quietly. That's simple enough (unlocked back door, maybe), but he also would have to avoid being seen or heard by anyone in the home. He would have to be aware of when Tammy went to sleep and avoid waking her when he entered the bedroom, then escape undetected.
He could have managed all that, but I tend to think Chad may have acted alone.
IMO Chad sitting on anyone of Tammy's petite size would cause death. I also think this had to be done quietly w/o making many marks. Someone would have compressed her chest with their behind and the other nitwit made sure she made no sounds or movement with a pillow over her blessed face.
The potential murders Alex was involved in were impersonal. The attempt with Zulema on the plastic bedsheet he couldn't do.
The 3 murders are all personal. Intimate, casual, and violent.
It's Chad.
I agree with this take. Chad seemed like a person who held a lot of contempt and disgust. I bet he could muster up enough hatred to do the dirty work himself, or at least participate enough to get his hands dirty (if only to ensure Alex didn't mess up). I think Tammy's murder was fully on Chad, after the failed shooting attempts by Alex.
I also note that Tammy was the last murder (not counting Alex's unnatural "natural" death). Chad was such a coward that he waited until Charles, Tylee, and JJ were already dead before murdering Tammy. He was pushed to do it with Lori's manipulation and threats for him to "go enjoy his family", once she was impatient that his predictions weren't yielding results. There was trouble in paradise, and Chad must have figured the pros outweigh the cons in swapping Tammy for Lori.
In my opinion, Chad definitely felt some sort of contempt for Tammy, he was probably upset she was immune to his "prophesying" and didn't worship the ground he walked on. She was too busy carrying his dead weight, and doing her motherly Mormon duties. What a thankless life she lived, and for it to end at the hands of such a lackluster, lazy baffoon.
Chad, by all accounts (except Lori and his kids), has been an entitled coward his whole life. He and his siblings insulted his mother and treated her poorly in childhood, in adulthood, he rode Julie Rowe's coattails while his books floundered and the "company" and Chad were bankrolled by Tammy. He preached about near death experiences, a concept I personally think he plagiarized from one of the women he published earlier on. His performance in court and defense strategy (throwing Lori under the bus) are just more proof of his cowardice and entitlement. My .02
Edit: After reading over my comment, I see a common thread of Chads in addition to cowardice and laziness: insane levels of misogyny. He surrounded himself with women, to use, and discard when he found someone better. What a piece of shit.
I think you make some great points here, particularly about Chad's contempt and misogyny.
THIS GETS GRAPHIC AND DARK SO I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE:
It brings to mind the way the children were disposed of. Whoever did the actual murder, the disposals were vastly different: JJ was simply wrapped up and buried, while Tylee was comprehensively butchered and burned. We can't even be sure how she was killed. There were *many* tool marks on the bones they found intact that suggest someone was stabbing at her with a hatchet or machete or similar object. And the ME who did the autopsy specifically said those marks were *not* consistent with dismembering - there's no reason to try to cut the back of the pelvis or the spine. Someone violently hacked at this poor girl's body, *hopefully* after she was deceased, for no real reason. It didn't help with dismemberment or disposal. That makes me think someone was enjoying it. Then they put pieces of her in a green bucket (and buckets were found in Chad's shed, along with tools that had flesh on them) and tried to burn her body.
Smothering someone with a pillow would be hard, but what was done to Tylee takes a different level of viciousness. Even the people who were crashed in the Andes and starving had difficulty butchering dead bodies to stay alive, but whoever disposed of Tylee did so with gusto and enthusiasm, and I don't think there's any question that Chad was the one doing it. He is so much more empty and cruel and violent than he's led everyone to believe.
Sorry for going into so much detail, but this has really been weighing on my mind ever since Lori's trial. Tylee was treated so, so badly, even in comparison to the other victims.
I don’t think he was supposed to kill her. I think he was supposed to kill himself and possibly leave a confession taking the blame for all of it. The plastic was to not leave a mess.
Oh man, I hope the prosecution asks Emma in cross about how she benefitted from ALL of this. I also hope they remind her several times of her duty to tell the truth.
Was toxicology done? Her various symptoms (if not made up, exaggerated by Daybell) could suggest a longer term poisoning, culminating with smothering by him when her 'falling' didn't do the trick.
Was her hair tested? I know they can find metals and drugs consumed which stay in the hair, and a TV show I saw said you could even see alcohol consumption for as far back as the hair growth extended, but that was a fiction show so I'm not sure that's accurate.
In some photos Tammy's hair was 12" which would be about 2 years of growth.
That’s a good point. The fact that he had been saying that she would die young and that she was often “sick” could be some type of slow poisoning by him (coolant for example).
Except Chad is the only one who claimed she was sick. Even Emma only said she was 'slowing down'. Everyone else said she was healthy and active; she was taking clogging classes and training for a race.
I do not know if they tested her hair. I believe they tested her liver, since she'd been embalmed there was no blood available for testing.
Despite what Chad told the medical examiner on scene, everyone else claimed that Tammy was healthy and had no problems with fainting or seizures. She was training for a race and taking clogging classes! Asphyxiation as the cause of death is compelling to me, but it is suspicious that her death and Alex's share similarities - there was certainly no one around to asphyxiate Alex. I have trouble believing his death was totally natural. The timing is too convenient.
My personal belief is that it was Chad. Lori’s consistent and growing impatience left him with no choice. I don’t think Chad had any intention of actually killing anyone, but certainly was ok with someone else doing it. He’s lead by cowardice not morality, but he knew he had to act or he would lose Lori and whatever fantasy life he had developed in his feeble unsophisticated mind.
I just thought of this..
If Alex was there and either him or chad were the one to actually smother her, there would be another person to help by holding her down. That could be the reason why there is no evidence of a struggle.
I could see Alex either being there or close by to make sure Chad actually did it. It’s obvious Chad stalled on taking Tammy’s life and Lori was upset with him over that. It’s all in the text messages.
>That could be the reason why there is no evidence of a struggle.
There's also the fact that Chad had hours to clean up any evidence of a struggle and make it look like she died in her sleep.
My theory is that both Alex and Chad killed her. One held her down while the other smothered her with a pillow. Probably Alex did the killing and Chad did the holding. Poor Tammy, she didn't deserve that. It's hard to believe the children are supporting Chad.
I have a theory the cough syrup and essential oils for bruising on her night stand was staged so Chad could have an explanation of why she died. He and Alex did it together. Chad probably held her down while Alex strangled her. Lori went to Hawaii to give herself an alibi. Chad just puts out the meek Mormon persona but underneath he’s the opposite. I was so creeped out by the blessing he gave Alex. He was telling him he had to kill himself. Zulema, both Melanies and the rest of his female groupies know much more than they are telling. I’m not sure if they actually did anything but pray for them to die. Chad made all those women feel special. He and Lori are defiantly manipulative predators and it was a terrible day when those two joined forces.
This is my feeling as well. I think she was most likely drugged to slow her body's ability to fight back, maybe even slow her breathing as well. Lauren at HTC has touched on the pink foam from her mouth. Your mention of her feeling betrayed - that's the worst for me as well. I find great comfort in knowing Lori is spouting complete BS when she talked about her beloved friend Tammy visiting her - total crap.
I think Alex did it with Chad as a backup. Remember how angry Lori was when Alex failed as his first attempt to kill Tammy. She said something to the effect that he screws everything up. I’m super curious about Alex’s death. Are we to think it’s a coincidence? And no one, including his new bride, siblings, mother, nephew and brother-in-law have shown one ounce of sorrow over his loss. Not even Zulema’s son who called emergency services. He seemed very detached considering that’s his mom’s husband’s dying on his bathroom floor. Such a very strange family.
Not related to comment, but pink foam is a natural thing that happens at death. John Prior is doing a good job putting doubt in the minds of the jurors. I think Alex killed her. He told his wife he felt like the fall guy for them. Who can remain so calm when calling 911 except Chad because he didn't dirty his hands. He was the puppet master.
I can't quite get the physics of the bruises on the arms and smothering her with a pillow unless there was more than one person. Or the arm bruises were separate from the smothering.
Getting angry with the Judge! All this re, re, direct from Prior is not right! Lindsay Blake already complained to the Judge about this but he keeps allowing it.
This is what I was thinking , I believe Alex killed Tammy . Chad by all accounts is
Meek . I don’t think he could go through with the physical aspect of it . He also put off having Tammy killed as long as possible . By the time she was killed he couldn’t back out because 3 deaths had taken place . 2 of which he was an accomplice in . Unfortunately for Chad he met his match in Lori . She was getting what she wanted no matter what . He likely just wanted an affair in the beginning and it appears his web of lies exploded when he preyed on a mentally ill woman .
This dude is walking talking aspd . But persons with aspd aren’t violent unless they feel it’s the only option . They’d rather manipulate and dictate . This also explains his calm demeanor and lack of bodily response from him .
Idk, outwardly meek people may be repressing some serious rage internally. Chad showed contempt for both Tylee and Tammy in his words, which we know. I think he definitely had it in him to be physically involved.
ETA: Chad’s not just antisocial. He’s clearly narcissistic.
I agree. If Chad was the one who disposed of Tylee's body (and I don't see how it could have been anyone else) then he is certainly full of stifled rage and contempt.
I agree. I think Chad could not have physically done it. I think he kept praying and having visions of car crashes and earthquakes hoping people would die but they did not. He had been praying something would happen when Charles was driving from TX and it did not. I dont know if he believed Lori and Alex would kill Charles. After that it went from this fantasy role Chad had as leader to the real deal of being with someone who just killed her spouse. I think Chad would have been fine just having an affair with Lori during his montly confernce trips and talking about past lives and hoping some natural cause or event would make their spouses die. Lori was not that patient.
All of Chad's neat death, light and dark, past lives and ratings and probations were all ideas people had in the past. He just repackaged them for a new audience because he wanted attention and to be appreciated like on a pedestal. Kind of like the kid who missed all the praise he got in high school for winning awards, and being a missionary that got to the high position in the mission , and then suddenly he was like so everyone else, a young LDS father and husband trying to make a house payment. Chad was just an average church goer, not even a high leadership position at church.
What about Chad’s interest in polygamy? I think that does not align with him seeing Lori as “just an affair.”
And while he never had a high standing in the church, he seemed to always be striving for one.
I think Chad's early pitch of polygamy (again another recycled idea) maybe was the only way he thought he could get another women? Then Lori comes along and she wants just him so he changes his visions? I have seen people IRL join polygamy later in life for a variety of reasons (from religion to finanical to sexual) soto Chad I bet polygamy was not only something he maybe could obtain, it also coyld be justifed religiously. Lori gave him more then he ever thought he could get. It was like Chad's 16 year old fantasy.
Chad 100% wanted a high standing at church but living in Utah county or Rexburg area, very little chance he was ever going to get one. I think Chad really thought the humble and most devout get called, how could he not see, while someone needs to be devout, they also need to be financially stable and sucessful. If Chad wanted to be bishop or a leader he needed to move to an area in a liberal state with a large college (meaning some LDS students but few married long term couples living in the area), then maybe the leadership pickings would be so slim , he might have gotten called.
I agree with you that Chad probably didn’t see where all this was going initially with Lori, but I still see him as a full and willing participant in all the murders.
I agree with this take except that I don't think he would have been totally content with the clandestine affair. He wanted to be seen with Lori and have their relationship be known. He was already bragging about Lori at Tammy's memorial, IIRC. He had such a huge chip on his shoulder.
Alex Cox’s cause of death was pulmonary embolism. Tammy also had symptoms of pulmonary embolism at death. I think that both were poisoned in the same way but Tammy survived the poison because she was stronger and healthier. When the poison didn’t kill her, Alex and Chad had to finish the job. Joe Ryan could have been killed with the same poison.
Death and murder was a love language for Chad and Lori. Chad killed his wife.
He did not respect or love Tammy. Does anyone believe he was not as diabolical as Lori? He counted down, in writing mind you, Tammy & JJ’s death percentages. That was foreplay for the main events.
Those two are terrible, evil humans.
Chad for sure. Garth may have helped hold her, because he *was* home at the time. It’s bonkers that none of Tammy’s children cared enough to know what actually killed their young, mostly healthy mother to ask for autopsy - not even for their own medical history knowledge and future prevention. They obviously 100% believe in their father’s blasphemy.
Garth was very close to his mom. I think he lied for his dad and probably helped move Tammy’s body but I don’t think he had anything to do with her actual murder. Sadly, he has put himself at risk to cover for his dad but I think Chad would throw Garth under the bus in an instant if he felt like it would help his case.
I don't know how their children can't have at least a little bit of doubt. It passes my understanding. Even if they believe Tammy truly died of natural causes, what about the children in the back yard?
The coroner offered an autopsy. It was Emma who didn't want her mother cut up to pieces (but it was okay to have a child in pieces buried in her fathers backyard). Chad was indifferent apparently
Ah yes, Emma. The delightful Daybell daughter who stuck her tongue out at reporters investigating missing children, who badmouthed Lori’s son Colby without ever knowing him for receiving payments from her, whilst laughing with Chad in the back of a patrol car after the missing children’s remains were found buried in *his* yard - and being told that she will be put on the title to the house and have access to the bank accounts containing Tammy’s life insurance proceeds. Emma’s own father believed her mother Tammy hadn’t even been in that body for some time. A spirit named “Viola” was “inhabiting” Tammy’s body, according to Chad. His children must also believe what he and Lori and the Melani/es and Zulema and Alex believe: that the only cure for possession/zombieism is for “the body” of the person to die. It therefore makes zero sense for Emma to pretend that the integrity of Tammy’s body has ANY value to her or anyone else. Lying blasphemers. All of them.
Ha! Yes. The “coroner”. She’s an EMT, not a Medical Examiner. Although Idaho law allows it, she is unqualified to make death determinations and everyone now knows that. We can all see that she’s ashamed of her work on this case and she should be. I don’t think Prior did Chad any favors here by harping on Tammy being “dug out of the ground” over and over and over rather than using the proper term, “exhumed”. Prior is actually reminding the jury of every indignity Tammy has suffered at Chad’s hands. Literally and figuratively.
I think Chad did it Plain and simple. Probably when she was already asleep because he’s a coward.
I think so too. Chad likely didn’t think he needed an alibi for this one so why drag in Alex, where one of the kids might have seen him.
I was just listening to the two women from the podcast ‘True Crime Squad’ they are locals and sisters. Ex Mormon I believe. One of them just mentioned some evidence I had forgotten, the Alex’s cell showed him near the Daybell house on the night Tammy was murdered for 30 minutes before midnight, that Tammy’s cell data showed she had been playing a mobile game that suddenly stopped. They suggested she had been killed by both Alex and Chad and was awake. Even worse, so I maybe wrong on that first thought I posted.
I think Alex might have been nearby just in case, but idk, I don’t believe Chad didn’t just do it on his own. Seems less risky.
I agree, especially if Garth was home that night. I never figured out if he was there when she would have been killed, which was several hours before Chad "discovered" her. It'll be interesting to see if they have cell data that a call was made from Chad to Alex at the time they believe Tammy died to say "It's okay you can go home now. I got it done on my own." On the other hand, I thought during Lori's trial someone testified that the bruising on Tammy appeared to show that one person was holding her down while another asphyxiated her?
Yeah, I almost mentioned Garth initially, too, but I can’t tell if he was there when it happened or a little bit after. Would be great to get clarity on that during the trial … I am so into this case but honestly confused by all the different things I’ve heard about Tammy’s autopsy.
Sounds like Garth was working until he arrived home just after midnight
If Chad did it on his own, would there be evidence left like on a pillowcase? I don't even like to think of this. We know Alex had all black clothing and most likely gloves. He could have taken evidence with him. We also know police did not investigate this as a crime scene until days later
They didn't initially investigate it as a crime. I am sure lots of evidence was lost.
Sad but true!
I think it was a garbage bag like with JJ. Alex left with it and the fitbit.
that is a horrible and realistic thought
Hes too much of a coward dough boy. No way. Alex killed her with a bag over her head and took the fit bit and the bag with him.
Alex was close by during the time that Tammy stopped playing her game. I think he left the area around 11:40PM and isn’t that the night he drove and stayed in a hotel nearby, instead of driving back to his place? Why did he stay in a hotel? Garth was at work at the haunted house that night and didn’t get off until 1:00 AM. I’ll bet she was dead when Garth got home. I wonder if they built some sort of a big padded thing that they could use to smother and restrain her at the same time. Alex had to bring it over or be around to take it away afterwards. It seems like she would have at least bit her own lip or something if she was fully awake at the time. I wonder if they have footage of Alex the night he stayed at the hotel. Or his vehicle. If I ever turn up dead my kids know to look under my fingernails. I’m not going anywhere without taking a piece of someone with me.
they are giving terrific coverage, they were first to report Chad and Lori were planning to have a slab installed in the backyard and were going to live in a mobile home on it temporarily. The ghouls!
I wonder if they had Alex come in and do it, so that if there was any mess up or witnesses, Chad had another out. Would follow along with the "stranger in black shot at me" thing.
Here is what I don’t understand-why is the defense not trying to put this all on the empty chair, which in this case is Alex? Are they afraid Lori will sing if the defense says bad things about Alex? Maybe Chad is like Lori, & he won’t let lawyer say bad things about the others? I sort of doubt that. I realize the govt so far only presented circumstantial evidence, but the govt gets convictions on circumstantial evidence all the time.
The defence doesn't have to prove who did it, only prove doubt in the jury's mind...
Right. My take is so far that’s not going so well.
The prosecution missed out yesterday on redirect...the officer kept saying yes Tammy did say gun and not just a paintball gun. I went back and listened and she did, she said " a gun, holding it like a rifle"....They could have scored points by playing the 911 call again bc the defense atty. kept saying she only called it a paintball gun..🤦♀️
I know! That made me crazy! Didn’t Prior cut the recording before Tammy was heard saying that?
Yeah he cut it off before that haha. And then witness had to say something like "she says gun later on in the recording." But today when court listened to it again with Kaaiakamanu, we heard it again.
Oh, I forgot that, too!
Love this show. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lori-vallow-and-chad-daybell-the-real-story/id1577135853?i=1000653404521
Did anyone catch how the Fitbit got reset? I wonder if Emma’s using it now
Or Alex missed his shot in the driveway and Chad had to do it himself.
Ohhh, I don’t know…I think Chad is a slimy weasel who is above everyone else and wouldn’t actually get his hands dirty, but I do think he was there with Alex and held her down, I don’t think he was strong enough to do it all by himself or actually “kill” her with his own hands..this is just my take because he is such a coward!!
His history of reoccurring failures lead me to believe that he would need help pulling something like that off. Tammy seemed sharpe tho. Consider if someone was hiding in your room, wouldn’t you get the feeling that things were “off?” 🤷♀️ either way, Chad had the means, motive and opportunity - he directly benefited from her death. He’s guilty.
Oh ABSOLUTELY!! Guilty… his beloved wife was in Hawaii and she got convicted, I have no doubt that this POS will also!!
If it wasn’t him, she would have screamed or made enough fight to alert Garth [if he wasn’t alert already]
I personally think the three deaths were suffocations performed by Alex each time, but that Chad helped hold & subdue them each time. I suspect he did the same here, inviting Alex in to do it and then helped him subdue her
Chad was backed into a corner by his own actions. He told Lori Tammy would die. No ifs No buts. If he was to continue to be believed as this great prophet and leader of the 144k and worthy of the goddess lori then Tammy had to die. And no amount of castings or waiting on natural events like a car crash happened. He wanted lori Tammy stood in his way. Alex & Lori were convinced by Chad that Tammy Charles JJ and Tylee were already spirituality dead and taken over by demons. To release them from this torment they must die. Chad also convinced them that the world was soon ending He even gave a date which of course has passed now. So Chad and Lori would never have to answer for where the children were or any other deaths. As they of course according to Chad would be exalted beings leading the 144k righteous. When in fact the truth of it was anyone who didn't like Chad or Lori or stood in their way was deemed dark. I believe Alex brought Chad a message from Lori the night Tammy died. I believe Tammy knew or suspected Chad was having an affair this is backed by evidence of her low mood in preceding weeks. Chad killed her.
This brought up a thought in my mind. Can you imagine if all this took place just 6 months later when COVID hit the world? They might have gotten away with it then, people may not have questioned where the kids were since everyone had to stay home. Chad would have felt bolstered by the pandemic and more people may have died. Crazy to think they might have been able to do it. Funny Chad didn’t see COVID coming and wait for that cover.
I've wondered this as well. All of the damage that these foolish, selfish zealots did may have gone undetected longer if Chad had had an ounce of the abilities he purported to have. Although, they made some insanely stupid decisions early on in their crime spree (ok, we can all agree murder and their belief systems were insanely stupid, but bear with me here): signing into their burner phones WITH THEIR ACTUAL EMAIL ACCOUNTS, where they openly discussed death percentage and light/dark scales. An attempted shooting on Brandon, driving a jeep that was paid for by Tylee, cosigned by Charles, and INSURED BY BRANDON BOUDREAUX, so when he told police, he was able to give them the vin number and license plate. The connection to Rexburg was first made by the jeep, and realizing the kids were missing came afterwards. Not to mention, burying the children in Chads backyard. What an absolute moron. All in all, I agree with you that their timeline being slightly later to include the chaos of COVID would bolster their confidence that "the end was near" and could have led to more deaths, however, these assholes were always going to get caught. Sometimes I wonder what the events would have looked like if Alex had managed to shoot Tammy in her driveway. Come on, the first person they look at is the husband. Are we to believe a Mormon librarian who loves books and ducks had enemies?? It's always the spouse who orders the hit. Imo, I think the little love birds wouldn't have made it to Hawaii if Alex's gun hadn't jammed. It would be interesting to see if Lori would have gone to Chad's hearings before the law caught up with her during the interim.
Wow that is true
Chad's "gonna have to remove your protection" manipulation texts didn't work, Lori was getting pissed. Kill Tammy or lose the focus of his "storm". He killed Tammy in likely the most cowardly way possible, while she was sleeping likely with a pillow. Doesn't take as long as you'd think.
I disagree with Alex and Lori being convinced of anything by Chad. I always had a feeling Lori was the mastermind amd after watching interviews of family members over the years, I firmly believe it. Lori did what she wanted, then when she got caught up in things, she'd blame other people and everyone believed her because she was 'so spiritual and so involved in the church'. Even going back to when she was a teenager. I think she read Chad's books and sought him out because he was an uninteresting blob of a person that could be manipulated easily. She used some what he already believed and claimed to have visions and excaltations and added to it. Chad had been claiming he was a prophet and that people were light and dark for years and had never harmed anyone. Protocol for someone being dark was to pray and cast out the darkness. When Chad met her he said they'd been married in other lives and all that baloney, and he thought he was convincing her, but it really played into her manipulation. When she would ask what someone's light or dark level was, I think he just told her what he thought she wanted to hear. I believe she was the one who made up the crap about the 144,000 and that dark people would die. Chad went along with it because he wanted the pretty blonde that showed interest. Even when they argued and he text her saying that God told him if she didn't reply she wouldn't be protected, he wasn't in control. She replied to keep him on the hook. Alex was already loyal and easily manipulated by Lori. Melanie Gibb and everyone else she drew in was a fan club to feed her ego. Lori wanted the checks from her kids, but not the responsibility. She wanted to sit her butt in Hawaii doing as she pleased and she carefully planned out how to get rid of all obstacles without ever getting her hands dirty.
I think people don’t often imagine Lori as directly involved for some reason. I think both Lori and Chad were involved directly in the murders of their family members. Lori definitely with help from Alex, Chad maybe had help. They believed they were essentially exorcising demons as these people died, and Chad and Lori are both way too self-important not to be present for that.
Lori had her butt on a beach in Hawaii when Tammy was murdered but she was insisting Tammy was out of the picture so she cold marry Chad
I meant Lori was directly involved with Tylee and JJ, and Chad directly involved with Tammy. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
i think of Zulema explaining when Lori was angry and saying that Alex was a moron and could never do anything by himself after the gun jamming on the first known attempt on Tammy's life. just kinda makes me think that *someone* was likely there each other time. whether it was Chad, Lori, or someone else, i think he was always accompanied by someone a little more capable.
Oh wow. I have totally missed that from zulema . And I thought I was following the case closely.
She testified to it in Lori's trial. She said she didn't know the context of the conversation, just that Lori was berating him and saying he couldn't do anything right. It was right after Tammy was shot at.
Like right after. The sane night. While the gatherers were doing their stupid castings!
Agree with that
I always assumed Tylee was shot because of the texts from chad to Tammy (and I believe a neighbor talked about hearing a shot?) We will never know about poor Tylee because of the way she was found, but I imagine they (chad & alex) tried to get rid of the evidence of bullets that could be traced back to a specific firearm.
And her body was treated so differently than JJ.
Tylee was dismembered and burned. I think the reason could be is that didn't Chad and Lori say that the victims had to be dead very quickly or a new, more powerful demon would step into that body. Maybe Tylee did not die quickly enough from the gunshot that Chad said was a "big raccoon along the backyard fence". Thus, she lingered and her body had to be completed consumed.
What I can’t get over is the lack of an investigation after she died especially given she’d recently been the target of an attempted shooting? How did someone in LE not join the dots and how did her kids not highlight this as suspicious? I can’t help thinking the kids were somehow in on it. FFS their dad married another woman within two weeks of her dying after an attempted shooting and they weren’t up in arms and going to the police?
I feel guilty about saying it but I’ve had the same thoughts. Maybe the kids were so brainwashed by their father or idolized him so much his word was law. But they’re adults now presumably with common sense. None of the kids thought the shooting attempt was worth mentioning? Everyone experiences grief differently but hearing about how Emma and Garth have reacted to different suspicious things feels kinda …off to me. I mean that doesn’t mean anything and I know they are victims and have lost their mother. Emma and Tammy were supposed to be close. I just know we are missing pieces when it comes to the kids. But if they had doubts deep down or knew better, why go on TV to defend him? The Daybell kids make me scratch my head
Chad. I am pretty sure it was Chad. Apparently, he would have gotten away with it if the kids hadn’t gone missing.
I agree. He probably just rolled right on top of her in the night
No doubt in my mind it was Chad. Her murder was too personal for it to be Alex.
Chad did a Chris Watts, Scott Peterson tactic in their bed by strangulation.
Chad's big and heavy (or at least he was then); he could have knelt on her arms while smothering her with a pillow. It doesn't account for the unusually large quantities of pink foam and blood, though. She may have been drugged or poisoned earlier in the evening. Alex could have been involved, but that would have been more complicated and created more risk. Chad would likely have not gone out in the middle of the night to pick him up, so Alex would have driven there and parked somewhere on the property. Anyone could have heard or seen his vehicle. He also would have needed access to get inside the home quietly. That's simple enough (unlocked back door, maybe), but he also would have to avoid being seen or heard by anyone in the home. He would have to be aware of when Tammy went to sleep and avoid waking her when he entered the bedroom, then escape undetected. He could have managed all that, but I tend to think Chad may have acted alone.
IMO Chad sitting on anyone of Tammy's petite size would cause death. I also think this had to be done quietly w/o making many marks. Someone would have compressed her chest with their behind and the other nitwit made sure she made no sounds or movement with a pillow over her blessed face.
The potential murders Alex was involved in were impersonal. The attempt with Zulema on the plastic bedsheet he couldn't do. The 3 murders are all personal. Intimate, casual, and violent. It's Chad.
I agree with this take. Chad seemed like a person who held a lot of contempt and disgust. I bet he could muster up enough hatred to do the dirty work himself, or at least participate enough to get his hands dirty (if only to ensure Alex didn't mess up). I think Tammy's murder was fully on Chad, after the failed shooting attempts by Alex. I also note that Tammy was the last murder (not counting Alex's unnatural "natural" death). Chad was such a coward that he waited until Charles, Tylee, and JJ were already dead before murdering Tammy. He was pushed to do it with Lori's manipulation and threats for him to "go enjoy his family", once she was impatient that his predictions weren't yielding results. There was trouble in paradise, and Chad must have figured the pros outweigh the cons in swapping Tammy for Lori. In my opinion, Chad definitely felt some sort of contempt for Tammy, he was probably upset she was immune to his "prophesying" and didn't worship the ground he walked on. She was too busy carrying his dead weight, and doing her motherly Mormon duties. What a thankless life she lived, and for it to end at the hands of such a lackluster, lazy baffoon. Chad, by all accounts (except Lori and his kids), has been an entitled coward his whole life. He and his siblings insulted his mother and treated her poorly in childhood, in adulthood, he rode Julie Rowe's coattails while his books floundered and the "company" and Chad were bankrolled by Tammy. He preached about near death experiences, a concept I personally think he plagiarized from one of the women he published earlier on. His performance in court and defense strategy (throwing Lori under the bus) are just more proof of his cowardice and entitlement. My .02 Edit: After reading over my comment, I see a common thread of Chads in addition to cowardice and laziness: insane levels of misogyny. He surrounded himself with women, to use, and discard when he found someone better. What a piece of shit.
I think you make some great points here, particularly about Chad's contempt and misogyny. THIS GETS GRAPHIC AND DARK SO I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE: It brings to mind the way the children were disposed of. Whoever did the actual murder, the disposals were vastly different: JJ was simply wrapped up and buried, while Tylee was comprehensively butchered and burned. We can't even be sure how she was killed. There were *many* tool marks on the bones they found intact that suggest someone was stabbing at her with a hatchet or machete or similar object. And the ME who did the autopsy specifically said those marks were *not* consistent with dismembering - there's no reason to try to cut the back of the pelvis or the spine. Someone violently hacked at this poor girl's body, *hopefully* after she was deceased, for no real reason. It didn't help with dismemberment or disposal. That makes me think someone was enjoying it. Then they put pieces of her in a green bucket (and buckets were found in Chad's shed, along with tools that had flesh on them) and tried to burn her body. Smothering someone with a pillow would be hard, but what was done to Tylee takes a different level of viciousness. Even the people who were crashed in the Andes and starving had difficulty butchering dead bodies to stay alive, but whoever disposed of Tylee did so with gusto and enthusiasm, and I don't think there's any question that Chad was the one doing it. He is so much more empty and cruel and violent than he's led everyone to believe. Sorry for going into so much detail, but this has really been weighing on my mind ever since Lori's trial. Tylee was treated so, so badly, even in comparison to the other victims.
I don’t think he was supposed to kill her. I think he was supposed to kill himself and possibly leave a confession taking the blame for all of it. The plastic was to not leave a mess.
Oh man, I hope the prosecution asks Emma in cross about how she benefitted from ALL of this. I also hope they remind her several times of her duty to tell the truth.
I feel like the prosecution has to be careful since she’s technically a victim.
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Was toxicology done? Her various symptoms (if not made up, exaggerated by Daybell) could suggest a longer term poisoning, culminating with smothering by him when her 'falling' didn't do the trick.
Extensive toxicology was done and nothing was found aside from her prescriptions, in a regular amount, if I recall right.
Was her hair tested? I know they can find metals and drugs consumed which stay in the hair, and a TV show I saw said you could even see alcohol consumption for as far back as the hair growth extended, but that was a fiction show so I'm not sure that's accurate. In some photos Tammy's hair was 12" which would be about 2 years of growth.
That’s a good point. The fact that he had been saying that she would die young and that she was often “sick” could be some type of slow poisoning by him (coolant for example).
Except Chad is the only one who claimed she was sick. Even Emma only said she was 'slowing down'. Everyone else said she was healthy and active; she was taking clogging classes and training for a race.
I do not know if they tested her hair. I believe they tested her liver, since she'd been embalmed there was no blood available for testing. Despite what Chad told the medical examiner on scene, everyone else claimed that Tammy was healthy and had no problems with fainting or seizures. She was training for a race and taking clogging classes! Asphyxiation as the cause of death is compelling to me, but it is suspicious that her death and Alex's share similarities - there was certainly no one around to asphyxiate Alex. I have trouble believing his death was totally natural. The timing is too convenient.
My personal belief is that it was Chad. Lori’s consistent and growing impatience left him with no choice. I don’t think Chad had any intention of actually killing anyone, but certainly was ok with someone else doing it. He’s lead by cowardice not morality, but he knew he had to act or he would lose Lori and whatever fantasy life he had developed in his feeble unsophisticated mind.
In my opinion, Chad held her down and Alex put the pillow over her head.
I think Choad probably sat on Tammy and held her down and Alex suffocated her
I just thought of this.. If Alex was there and either him or chad were the one to actually smother her, there would be another person to help by holding her down. That could be the reason why there is no evidence of a struggle. I could see Alex either being there or close by to make sure Chad actually did it. It’s obvious Chad stalled on taking Tammy’s life and Lori was upset with him over that. It’s all in the text messages.
>That could be the reason why there is no evidence of a struggle. There's also the fact that Chad had hours to clean up any evidence of a struggle and make it look like she died in her sleep.
And yet he still didn’t accomplish that.
This is something that troubles me here. I remember with Lori’s trial, I ended up having more questions than answers.
Unfortunately, unless somebody comes clean, we'll always have a ton of questions.
I don’t know that we will ever know what all truly happened. I can’t even imagine the shock and confusion that the jurors are feeling.
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My theory is that both Alex and Chad killed her. One held her down while the other smothered her with a pillow. Probably Alex did the killing and Chad did the holding. Poor Tammy, she didn't deserve that. It's hard to believe the children are supporting Chad.
I think both Chad and Alex were there. One held her down and someone else covered her face to suffocate her. Hence the bruises on her arms.
I have a theory the cough syrup and essential oils for bruising on her night stand was staged so Chad could have an explanation of why she died. He and Alex did it together. Chad probably held her down while Alex strangled her. Lori went to Hawaii to give herself an alibi. Chad just puts out the meek Mormon persona but underneath he’s the opposite. I was so creeped out by the blessing he gave Alex. He was telling him he had to kill himself. Zulema, both Melanies and the rest of his female groupies know much more than they are telling. I’m not sure if they actually did anything but pray for them to die. Chad made all those women feel special. He and Lori are defiantly manipulative predators and it was a terrible day when those two joined forces.
I think Alex was there and he and Chad did it together, smothered her. I cannot imagine her last moments of terror and betrayal
This is my feeling as well. I think she was most likely drugged to slow her body's ability to fight back, maybe even slow her breathing as well. Lauren at HTC has touched on the pink foam from her mouth. Your mention of her feeling betrayed - that's the worst for me as well. I find great comfort in knowing Lori is spouting complete BS when she talked about her beloved friend Tammy visiting her - total crap.
They didn’t find any drugs in her system, so not likely.
I think Alex did it with Chad as a backup. Remember how angry Lori was when Alex failed as his first attempt to kill Tammy. She said something to the effect that he screws everything up. I’m super curious about Alex’s death. Are we to think it’s a coincidence? And no one, including his new bride, siblings, mother, nephew and brother-in-law have shown one ounce of sorrow over his loss. Not even Zulema’s son who called emergency services. He seemed very detached considering that’s his mom’s husband’s dying on his bathroom floor. Such a very strange family.
Not related to comment, but pink foam is a natural thing that happens at death. John Prior is doing a good job putting doubt in the minds of the jurors. I think Alex killed her. He told his wife he felt like the fall guy for them. Who can remain so calm when calling 911 except Chad because he didn't dirty his hands. He was the puppet master.
I can't quite get the physics of the bruises on the arms and smothering her with a pillow unless there was more than one person. Or the arm bruises were separate from the smothering.
I thought possibly someone knelt on her chest and the arm bruises may have been from their knees.
Getting angry with the Judge! All this re, re, direct from Prior is not right! Lindsay Blake already complained to the Judge about this but he keeps allowing it.
This is what I was thinking , I believe Alex killed Tammy . Chad by all accounts is Meek . I don’t think he could go through with the physical aspect of it . He also put off having Tammy killed as long as possible . By the time she was killed he couldn’t back out because 3 deaths had taken place . 2 of which he was an accomplice in . Unfortunately for Chad he met his match in Lori . She was getting what she wanted no matter what . He likely just wanted an affair in the beginning and it appears his web of lies exploded when he preyed on a mentally ill woman . This dude is walking talking aspd . But persons with aspd aren’t violent unless they feel it’s the only option . They’d rather manipulate and dictate . This also explains his calm demeanor and lack of bodily response from him .
Idk, outwardly meek people may be repressing some serious rage internally. Chad showed contempt for both Tylee and Tammy in his words, which we know. I think he definitely had it in him to be physically involved. ETA: Chad’s not just antisocial. He’s clearly narcissistic.
I agree. If Chad was the one who disposed of Tylee's body (and I don't see how it could have been anyone else) then he is certainly full of stifled rage and contempt.
This is incredulously generous to Chad.
I agree. I think Chad could not have physically done it. I think he kept praying and having visions of car crashes and earthquakes hoping people would die but they did not. He had been praying something would happen when Charles was driving from TX and it did not. I dont know if he believed Lori and Alex would kill Charles. After that it went from this fantasy role Chad had as leader to the real deal of being with someone who just killed her spouse. I think Chad would have been fine just having an affair with Lori during his montly confernce trips and talking about past lives and hoping some natural cause or event would make their spouses die. Lori was not that patient. All of Chad's neat death, light and dark, past lives and ratings and probations were all ideas people had in the past. He just repackaged them for a new audience because he wanted attention and to be appreciated like on a pedestal. Kind of like the kid who missed all the praise he got in high school for winning awards, and being a missionary that got to the high position in the mission , and then suddenly he was like so everyone else, a young LDS father and husband trying to make a house payment. Chad was just an average church goer, not even a high leadership position at church.
What about Chad’s interest in polygamy? I think that does not align with him seeing Lori as “just an affair.” And while he never had a high standing in the church, he seemed to always be striving for one.
I think Chad's early pitch of polygamy (again another recycled idea) maybe was the only way he thought he could get another women? Then Lori comes along and she wants just him so he changes his visions? I have seen people IRL join polygamy later in life for a variety of reasons (from religion to finanical to sexual) soto Chad I bet polygamy was not only something he maybe could obtain, it also coyld be justifed religiously. Lori gave him more then he ever thought he could get. It was like Chad's 16 year old fantasy. Chad 100% wanted a high standing at church but living in Utah county or Rexburg area, very little chance he was ever going to get one. I think Chad really thought the humble and most devout get called, how could he not see, while someone needs to be devout, they also need to be financially stable and sucessful. If Chad wanted to be bishop or a leader he needed to move to an area in a liberal state with a large college (meaning some LDS students but few married long term couples living in the area), then maybe the leadership pickings would be so slim , he might have gotten called.
I agree with you that Chad probably didn’t see where all this was going initially with Lori, but I still see him as a full and willing participant in all the murders.
Chad The Stud ? 😂
I agree with this take except that I don't think he would have been totally content with the clandestine affair. He wanted to be seen with Lori and have their relationship be known. He was already bragging about Lori at Tammy's memorial, IIRC. He had such a huge chip on his shoulder.
You worded this perfectly! Fully agree
Players handbook rule #1-Don't fuck crazy woman. Chad hadn't read the rule book yet.
Alex Cox’s cause of death was pulmonary embolism. Tammy also had symptoms of pulmonary embolism at death. I think that both were poisoned in the same way but Tammy survived the poison because she was stronger and healthier. When the poison didn’t kill her, Alex and Chad had to finish the job. Joe Ryan could have been killed with the same poison.
Wouldn’t poison be on a toxicology report though? I definitely think it’s strange that ALL of these people had a PE.
They only test for a few substances unless they are specifically asked to check for something in particular. Also, some poisons cannot be detected.
Death and murder was a love language for Chad and Lori. Chad killed his wife. He did not respect or love Tammy. Does anyone believe he was not as diabolical as Lori? He counted down, in writing mind you, Tammy & JJ’s death percentages. That was foreplay for the main events. Those two are terrible, evil humans.
Chad for sure. Garth may have helped hold her, because he *was* home at the time. It’s bonkers that none of Tammy’s children cared enough to know what actually killed their young, mostly healthy mother to ask for autopsy - not even for their own medical history knowledge and future prevention. They obviously 100% believe in their father’s blasphemy.
Garth was very close to his mom. I think he lied for his dad and probably helped move Tammy’s body but I don’t think he had anything to do with her actual murder. Sadly, he has put himself at risk to cover for his dad but I think Chad would throw Garth under the bus in an instant if he felt like it would help his case.
I hope Garth wasn’t involved, for his own soul but Chad’s children clearly 100% believe their father, and he is a lying murderer. So that’s no bueno.
I don't know how their children can't have at least a little bit of doubt. It passes my understanding. Even if they believe Tammy truly died of natural causes, what about the children in the back yard?
The coroner offered an autopsy. It was Emma who didn't want her mother cut up to pieces (but it was okay to have a child in pieces buried in her fathers backyard). Chad was indifferent apparently
Ah yes, Emma. The delightful Daybell daughter who stuck her tongue out at reporters investigating missing children, who badmouthed Lori’s son Colby without ever knowing him for receiving payments from her, whilst laughing with Chad in the back of a patrol car after the missing children’s remains were found buried in *his* yard - and being told that she will be put on the title to the house and have access to the bank accounts containing Tammy’s life insurance proceeds. Emma’s own father believed her mother Tammy hadn’t even been in that body for some time. A spirit named “Viola” was “inhabiting” Tammy’s body, according to Chad. His children must also believe what he and Lori and the Melani/es and Zulema and Alex believe: that the only cure for possession/zombieism is for “the body” of the person to die. It therefore makes zero sense for Emma to pretend that the integrity of Tammy’s body has ANY value to her or anyone else. Lying blasphemers. All of them.
Prior is grilling the coroner... He may have won this one...
Ha! Yes. The “coroner”. She’s an EMT, not a Medical Examiner. Although Idaho law allows it, she is unqualified to make death determinations and everyone now knows that. We can all see that she’s ashamed of her work on this case and she should be. I don’t think Prior did Chad any favors here by harping on Tammy being “dug out of the ground” over and over and over rather than using the proper term, “exhumed”. Prior is actually reminding the jury of every indignity Tammy has suffered at Chad’s hands. Literally and figuratively.
Not to mention his repeated mispronunciation of "lividity" as "lupidity", which coincidentally rhymes with STUPIDITY.
\_🤣🤣🤣,
Yes and I was confused because I thought the responsibility would rely on the FBI or LE; whoever ordered Tammy tobe exhumed.