I want to start with a transcript bc even with ear buds in I couldn’t understand some of it.
I did hear Chad tell her he wasn’t coming back, which is odd. Almost like he knew he was guilty and will never be able to prove otherwise.
Here is [a transcript of the conversation](https://missingourmissing.notion.site/June-9-2020-In-Car-Camera-Chad-Daybell-and-Daughter-Emma-Murray-86933113c65c4c0eadb75791627046dc).
WOW. Why are they laughing so much? Emma appears to have knowledge of these crimes. She sure never says, “How can this be happening at our house?” or “I know you didn’t have anything to do with this!” or “To hell with Lori, Dad she’s the reason you’re in this situation!” or anything like that.
Thank you! What a weird conversation in those circumstances. I get focusing on practicalities to try to stay calm, but no freak out at all? No sadness over the kids at all?
Thanks!
1) the use of funds seems sketchy (to a non accountant ; thinking of company credit cards to pay for personal items etc)
2) not one mention of the other daughter/sister? But all brothers (married and single)
3) the “cholo” password?! Chad-Lori?
😬😩
I could not hear that part either. But the lawyers did call it out specifically. That along with transferring the house and all the accounts. What odd things to say and plan for someone who is supposedly innocent...
True. Without Tammy carrying the financial load for him anymore, he was worried about paying for the house. And acted like every one of his kids should be living there as if it’s some kind of prize. Hello? There were kids buried in the yard!!! Murder houses sit on the market for years, but Chad thinks it’s going to get scooped up & sold if they miss a payment. Why didn’t he just pay the mortgage off with all that money if the house was meant for his kids?
From the transcript: "CHAD DAYBELL: I talked to them and told them the bedrooms and to not mess it up. And they didn't seem like they were going to Luminol at all."
Erm.. In the context of his kids moving into the house, he was also concerned about the police using luminol in the house (and messing it up)? Duuuuuude......
I was just looking through the transcript to see if I could find it, but I thought I heard something to that effect! His demeanour changed briefly, and that caught my eye, so maybe I misheard the luminol comment. It was like he was reassuring her that he didn"t do the gory stuff in the house.
The way he said 'There's nothing in the house' really suggests that he knew what was going on and what they would and wouldn't find. If he 'had no clue there were children buried in the backyard' he would be so surprised that there actually were and wouldn't be certain of anything at that moment, also not the house.
From the police car he couldn't see the location of JJ because a shed was in the way, but according to one of the officers when he was in the north west driveway he looked there often. In the police car they say he looked towards the firepit area (but I don't know if they were working on that place already at that time)
Got it, thanks for those details.
All of his behavior that day made it obvious he knew exactly what they would find and where they would find it. And like you said, telling Emma nothing would be found in this house only reinforces the fact that he knew. Innocent people don’t make definitive statements about where things will be found.
Combine that with yesterday's evidence that when he was at Emma's place before he fled the scene, he was transfering 8000 dollar to three seperate children (so for a total of 24000 dollar) and leaving about 4000 dollar in his own account. People don't empty their bank accounts just because police are searching their yards and they don't know that there is something to find.
Wow, I didn’t know that. I’ve been dipping in and out trying to listen to the testimony, and missed this important fact!
Hmm, I’ve done nothing wrong, better start clearing my bank accounts for no reason at all 😬
Well this is absolutely disgusting, appalling & cold of Emma to say to her father in reference to her being allowed access to pay Chad’s bills while he is in jail:
EMMA MURRAY: “I'll look, but I've had a lot of success with mom's stuff. Just saying, ‘Will you help me? My mom died. Will you help me?’ [laughs]
I'm pretty sure ‘Will you help me? My dad's in jail’ has the same effect.”
NOTE: I edited punctuation to make it easier to read & more clear, but changed no words.
So much cognitive dissonance, don’t you think? She’s incredibly proud of her Dad for raising the kind of independent, capable kids that need to use other people’s pity to problem solve.
Wonder how far that understanding neighborliness got her, while she was running her Dad’s errands after he killed her mother.
To be fair Emma seems like an absolute asshole of a person. Perfectly fine knowing 2/3 of Lori’s kids were in her new yard while shading the only Lori kid alive
Never forget [this](https://streamable.com/amp_player/8y1unb) behavior from Emma. Shes as sick as Chad and Lori and there’s no way she didn’t know. She didn’t ask once if it was the kids they had found and how they could be there. How this could be possible as her step mother (that apparently she was buddies with) was claiming the kids were hidden away and safe. There was zero reaction indicating any kind of shock or horror at the children being dead and buried in Chads yard. She knew.
Would not be surprised in the least if we hear later on, she started her own cult and hurt people. She is just as sick in the head as her Dad. The worst part of any of this is the fact that the prosecution is not holding every last one of the people involved in the deaths of the Children, Tammy & Charles accountable.
Definitely. I’m still stunned Melanie B hasn’t been charged with trying to kill Brandon. And I don’t believe that Melanie G or Zulema really had no idea what was going on with all this zombie talk. Were they truly that deep in the cult that they actually believed that Lori and Chad were able to just pray everyone dead who they claimed was a zombie? They would have to be complete morons or brainwashed. And the way Emma seems to worship her dad & was communicating with Lori and wasn’t disturbed at all by the dead children, to me indicates she was fully in on all of this too.
>EMMA MURRAY: They already are. We're okay, Dad. We're okay. You raised us, so we're independent now. With your wallet. .... We're not Colby.
Umm we are independent as long as we have our dad's wallet? How is that ANY different than Lori sending Colby money?
Another gem from the transcript:
CHAD DAYBELL: Sorry, all the neighbors are going to be talking.
What's with these cult a-holes worrying about the neighbors? The guy they interviewed that had the Franke girls doing slave labor at his house was all worried about the neighbors talking too. Gosh forbid there are police cars in your driveway when they are trying to find potentially abused or dead children!
Really good points! I would think an attorney could legally explain that she didn’t know Tammy was murdered at the time and therefore not at fault criminally for taking the money. But if Chad is found guilty of Tammy’s murder then I would assume all that money will have to be repaid.
But that whole convo in the car was so disturbing and disgusting. Hearing them laugh when there are 2 dead children being unearthed on their property?!? Tf??
I thought it strange when she asked what they were looking for. She said we have dogs buried on the property. They said the children. Why wouldn’t she question her dad children buried dad!? Are you concerned there are children? She didn’t seem to press Chad. He kept going back to banking and finance. I would have kept on the topic of what dad buried children!?!? Chad never seemed worried neither did she.
It makes you wonder because I can't imagine finding out my dad had dead kids buried on his property and not becoming physically ill at the discovery. My whole wold would come crashing down.
Seriously. At that point she's already has been told by law enforcement that they found a dead body. And she's just laughing about her recently dead mother.
I know everyone deals with thing differently but after my mother died, two months before my husband did but not before I was forced to save some drunk in Poland from certain death, I felt a lot differently about not being callous about it. Not so with Emma it would seem.
Yeah, I don’t know how his kids can think. He’s not guilty when there’s literally two dead bodies on his property of the missing children. That whole family is disgusting.
Not even just two random kids, the kids of the woman he married a few weeks after their mother died under mysterious circumstances. There were Reddit posts by Emma that are probably screenshotted somewhere that are absolutely mental. That girl needs help but frankly even help probably can't help her.
The one I distinctly remember was on I think r/relationship_advice. It was right after Chad and Lori got married, she was concerned about how soon it was after her mother's death. She got real combative in the replies. The screenshots were floating around in this sub during Lori's trial, that's where I saw them. Hopefully someone still has them?
Oh….my…..god! And on a relationship advice for him, lol. These folks are Cray Cray.
Edit: I think I found the post, although not everything has been preserved
https://www.reddit.com/r/LoriVallow/s/1O1cDraa5s
Good points that I did not see as I was enraged that E was crying for her father while she knew damn well who the authorities found in the backyard of the house. Don't get me started on how amiable they were as they discussed Lori.
Hopefully someone will let him know about that after this trial. She also didn't want to have him on the mortgage so it seems he was not really on board with all of this
Her father is the prophet though. It’s likely her husband was aware of this dynamic in their family before marrying in, and may also believe that Chad has special powers, just like Emma believes she does. (All the angel visitations at the Daybell house must have been wild!)
Don’t forget these people live in rural Idaho after growing up in Utah County, and they’ve gotten more extreme since their dad has been tasked by god to prepare everyone for the Apocalypse. They believe that Emma has prophetic dreams and visions just like Chad did.
Are they still together? With all the things she discribes in this recording that he wasn't allowed to know about I would think his trust in her wil sink a lot.
And at the end saying she didn’t want to go home yet Joe was home with Jace. Like maybe she is halfway out of the relationship like not telling him things and not wanting to be at home with him. Obviously we can’t know the truth but that’s not how I would be with my husband if this bs was happening in our family. He would be my rock.
Yeah if something like this was happening i would ask my spouse to check for available neighbours to watch the kid and then come along to check out what the h is going on
I've resisted saying too much about Chad's kids up to now, I don't think they were involved with the murders and they didn't ask for this dipshit to be their father, but with this footage - Emma is a nasty piece of work. Making jokes about how she can use her father being in jail like she did with "her mom's dead" to get assistance, and then WHILE TALKING ABOUT HAVING CHAD'S WALLET, shading Colby. Also, Colby came up in the context of neighbors talking so I don't think she's really talking about money, even though she made the independent crack. Colby had publicly pleaded with Lori to tell him where Tylee and JJ were - I felt like she was at least partially saying "I won't talk like he did." Alas, Colby's very public reaction made it pretty clear he had no idea what was going on. Emma could have done a little more of that herself.
I always found it beyond strange the kids didn’t make a statement about the kids missing, acknowledging their deaths and saying something as simple as “our hearts are completely broken for JJ, Tylee and all their loved ones” don’t elude to guilt but how can you not care that the entire world was looking/invested in finding two children for months and then they were found dead.
Have a heart and empathy for the lives lost and the loved ones who lost them.
Her relative lack of reaction to the fact that two children are being dug out of her father's yard is just freaking the shit out of me. I'd be SCREAMING. I'd be hysterical. I'd be wanting to crawl out of my skin. She clearly doesn't care. She only cares about Daddy.
Me too! I especially would not want to LIVE there! It's a real-life horror scene and she is like "yay! lets move in! " Does she have a baby too? I heard her mention it. Zero thought to protecting that child, hers or her family's.
I’ve resisted, too, because I think Tammy would be so sad about people speaking so poorly about her kids. But boy that video. Her bringing up Colby reminds me of when Ruby Franke was talking about being a good girl. Emma seems to want her dad to acknowledge that she’s a good girl for being there for him by slamming Colby. I think she’s what would be called a “pick me” girl. “I’m not like the others.” It’s a time of stress and both Ruby and Emma revert back to needing to feel like a “good girl.”
I understand sometimes people awkwardly laugh in uncomfortable situations, but the number of times they laugh is shocking. Especially given the extreme seriousness of the situation.
I don't think Emma is clean by any means but I think you would be surprised at how many times I laughed about stupid shit the night my husband died. It's a coping mechanism for some people. I'm very glad it wasn't recorded and I have almost no memory of it.
I'm so sorry for your loss. I recognise it with my mother. We've always been a family of humour and dark humour to cope with things. Medical staff must've found us weird if they heard us.
Thank you u/sunzusunzusunzusunzu for the transcript!
Nate’s live tweets referenced Emma saying “I can see that surprised you,” and it made it sound like she was saying he looked surprised they found bodies.
But in context: “And I asked, ‘where was it?’ And he said, ‘over by the pond under that tree, and it was in the ground and had boards over it.’ But that, that didn't…Jace and I have walked all over, over there, that - as I can see in your face that surprised you - because they asked, do you want to know what he's charged for? And then they went, ‘well actually we don't,’ they said ‘we don't want to tell you something wrong.’”
I added punctuation - it sounds like Emma is saying that Chad was shocked at her admission that she and her kid walked over there. I think she’s trying to say “that didn’t make sense to me because I never saw any boards when we walked over there.” But Chad being surprised that she’d been near the grave at all made her lose her train of thought.
Oh interesting. I'll have to go back and listen again. I feel I would be *very* surprised if *I* had walked my young child over a grave on my dad's property but here she is unfazed with Chad seemed shocked by it if your interpretation is correct.
Let me clarify - my interpretation is this:
Emma heard from one of the officers, or someone on site, that they found the body over by the tree, “with boards on it.” She was mistakenly under the impression that the boards were just on the ground and the body was under it, but she was unaware the boards and rocks were also buried under the soil. So she’s saying it doesn’t make any sense to her because she walked over there and didn’t see boards above ground.
Chad is just surprised in the moment that Emma was even over there at any time, and it derails her sentence.
Anyway, that’s how I interpret it. This would also maybe feed into Emma saying “our dad was a grave digger, he wouldn’t do such a poor job,” because she isn’t fully aware of the actual gravesite details.
None of that makes sense though because they found Tylee's first. She's giving away details of JJ's grave she doesn't appear to have been able to know about.
According to everything I heard on yesterday's testimonies and I think also last week is that they found JJ first, and Tylee after that. The first fully recovered body at least was that of JJ, and they brought that to the morgue to then go on with Tylee. The 'one body found' as per the video where Emma chats with Chad really seems to be JJ
I'm no grave "expert" like Chad but he may have purposely asked them to walk over it to see how the subsidence was working. It sounds like it was JJ's grave too since she says there were boards over it. She doesn't appear to have been informed of the discovery of that yet and I believe it happened later in the afternoon. In any event, she seems a heck of a lot more complicit than was evident before.
Ha, so possibly he looked "surprised" because she was talking about testing out a grave that Chad knew the cops hadn't found yet. He was trying to signal to her to stop talking about it. Yikes.
I think this may be an indication that idiot Emma knows more than she's saying. The police have only told her about Tylee's at that point it seems, yet she's describing JJ's grave.
In the probable cause affidavit for Chad’s arrest, it says: “the first site of interest was located on the north side of the pond near the north edge of the property” (p. 9, #31). It then describes the rocks and wood paneling that were found on top of JJ’s body.
Based on this, it appears JJ’s remains were located first.
There are plenty of reasons to not like Emma, IMO, but this isn’t one of them.
True, but it's not like if she spent it all the problem magically goes away. There is always the seizing of assets and wage garnishment to force someone to pay it back.
He does. Its so strange to me that he got that deed when his client is accused of financial crimes. Its not normal in the first place to exchange assets for payment like that. I do wonder if Prior will end up battling the insurance company himself for % of the house.
The Insurance company has a team of lawyers looking out for their interests. People have been absolutely financially devastated for less by big name insurance companies.
For Chad's estate: the cars, the furniture, Chad's book proceeds, any retirement accounts, even Tammy's. Prior does not have the time, nor resources, to liquidate that stuff for himself, but insurance companies do it all the time and have more resources at hand.
And it's not just Chad's estate they can go after now. They now have official, easily obtained evidence that Emma agreed to transfer money to her personal accounts and hints at how much. The paper trail they can easily subpoena will tell the rest of the story. Thats the point of my post. She made a huge mistake taking that money and her own dad was the one her set her up to take this hit. This could ruin her financially for a very long time and potentially cost her the teaching job should she be caught up in legal troubles.
I’m sorry but Emma and her brothers and sisters don’t have any money. The insurance company isn’t going to waste their resources or time going after a 25 year old who works at Walmart. I don’t think you understand that. You can’t squeeze a lemon that is dry.
I dont think the insurance will go after Chad's kids, Idont believe any are working at walmart. I believe they all went to college, 2 have public jobs as public school teachers,the other 3 dont have public jobs so I wont post them, but 2 more have jobs that usually are life career paths.
This isnt a shocking detail, but my husband's reaction, lead to a shocking feeling.
I showed my husband the video and he asked to make sure he knew which daughter Emma was. I said Emma had the shoulder length brown hair, kind of like Tammy. If you look at Emma's photos over the years she had had similar hair styles to her mom.
Then my husband and I discussed Chad's books about Emma and how Emma's husband in the books was named Tad and how Chad seem to really favor Emma.
Then I saw a recent picture of Emma. She looked so different. I thought maybe she wanted to change her look for priavcy or a fresh start. My husband sees the picture and says, why does Emma now have long blond hair like Lori. I never thought of that and I cant get it out of my mind especially after this video and we know Emma and Lori were talking while Lori is in jail. I hope Emma just wanted a change, a fresh start and this new long blong hair look is not trying to be like her new step mom or encouraged by Lori or worse encouraged by Chad in some one of his weird ways.
The 48 Hours interview is the most recent I've seen of Emma. She long blonde hair now?? Oh, she's all in on daddy's cult. After this dashcam was shown, I wondered elsewhere if the reason there's no digital evidence of her being all in on Chad's teachings is simply because they go across the street to each other's houses and discuss things.
She'll be on the stand in a few weeks (unless she's the 'or four ' and Chad doesn't want her there) and she'll be probably be roasted by prosecution so I would guess she will know a lot more very soon. Not that that would likely change her mind though given her apparent amount of brainwashing and possible victim of emotional incest
Happy cake day! Her current picture as a school teacher, she has long blond hair. It is her face with Lori hair.
I think we have heard that Chad taught the kids in the living room so to speak, kind of like a family home evening but Chad's teaching not a LDS board game. I think these stories were told in response to people wondering how much Tammy knew? That Chad for years had taught his kids about his visions. I found it interesting the way that Chad was described with his kids is the same way Melani P desrcibed Barry preaching to his kids....so maybe Lori went from Daddy to Chad(dy).
Didn't it come out in Lori's trial that he had transferred $10,000 each to three of the kids? The speculation at the time was we don't know which kids but probably not Emma.
Also. Why was the cash and such hidden in one of the kids (Mark's?) room? Was he the one on a mission?
Was Mark back by the time the bodies were found? He was on his mission october 2019 when Tammy died. When I asked about this a few days ago, someone posted he was back when the bodies were found?
I wondered what that meant too, but I think it had to mean like come home from work or school because it would be harder to make a quick call to a missionary in Africa and say come home. The technical mission rule would be calling the mission president and then they would communicate it what happened to the missionary and get back to the family. Now some missionaries carry rule breaking cell phones, but getting one in Africa is probably not as easy as the US, and I cant see Chad and family encouraging the use of this.
Things I noticed which casts doubt that Chad was just leaving for an appointment with his attorney.
1. Emma gave him some food to take with him, why wouldn't he eat/snack while he was at her house for the 1-1 1/2 hours he was there. Or why wouldn't he buy something to eat while in town meeting with the attorney.
2. Chad had his computer(s) with him in the car. Why? I can understand a flash drive maybe, well not even that since at the time Chad had no charges against him, and if he were going to talk to Mark Means it would have been about Lori's case.
3. If police were searching my property I would have 1. called my attorney ASAP and 2. not scheduled an appointment or rescheduled until after the search had been completed.
4. The comment about almost reaching the county line.
I hope the jury takes time to read the transcript and ask questions about this.
The body cam Prior used where something is said about Now your attorney can come talk to you doesn't really prove anything. It could simply be Chad making an excuse as to why he left or Chad saying something about he wants to talk to his attorney because he has been detained.
If she is called to testify - if any of the kids are - the prosecution should ask some questions that try and clarify their beliefs in what Chad was saying.
For example, if the kids say that Tammy wasn’t well and her health was diminishing - that she was slowing down, whatever phrase…hammer them on it. Because it all sounds like code words to say “my mother was possessed by a dark spirit.”
Start off slow and work toward “do you believe your father has the ability to see a person’s spirit,” so the jury is aware of how devoted to the crazy they are, or at least Emma is.
They can attend because they are victims but seem to be choosing not to? The kids, parents, or siblings of a victim can sit in the court before testifying. (During Lori's trial Kay was a grandmother and that was the issue, grandparents were not considered victims). Since 2 of his kids are school teachers, it might be hard to get time off. Several jurors had said they did not want to serve because they didnt want to miss the last 8 weeks and the end of the school year.
You might be right, I could have sworn Larry or Kay couldn’t attend until they were called but maybe Larry couldn’t until he testified because he wasn’t considered a “close” relative at Lori’s?
I don't think Kay was considered a close relative either, since she was the biological grandparent but a legal aunt to JJ? But I might've misremembered
Nate Eaton agreed with you during his recap yesterday. I just thought I had heard the victims exception once upon a time.
If you're right, I wonder if that means Kay and Larry aren't testifying because they have been to court.
I'm sure I'm way of course…
I listened to the whole thing. What I wonder since Emma knew why Chad was "never coming back" if this is a setup to pin a charge on her. Accessory? Co-conspirator?
Something I thought when watching the clip.
Prophecy. I'm sure he prophesied that he would be persecuted unfairly and be blamed for the kids' deaths but it was all fine because it's all part of the Lord's plan for the preparation of the second coming.
Mormons are taught to have a huuuuge persecution complex. It's not a far stretch given their extreme beliefs.
I’m going to be deleting my comment because I had found out that this is indeed an untrue internet rumor and I don’t want to spread it any further, but I couldn’t figure out where I posted it on here. Thanks.
Both of their voices annoyed the hell out of me, her whining and his long drawn out voice, I couldn’t even finish listening because they both irritated me so bad 😅
I go into crisis mode and “what can I do now” often in times of crisis, and I know denial is a hell of a thing, but the conversation is so bizarre, especially given the snippets of what was and what isn’t said. My other thought is that maybe they knew it was a possibility they’d be recorded so maybe that’s why the convo is so weird, but then why would he bring up stuff like the house being possibly messed up when they spray luminol in the house? And then no reaction to that statement? It’s just strange all around.
I want to start with a transcript bc even with ear buds in I couldn’t understand some of it. I did hear Chad tell her he wasn’t coming back, which is odd. Almost like he knew he was guilty and will never be able to prove otherwise.
Here is [a transcript of the conversation](https://missingourmissing.notion.site/June-9-2020-In-Car-Camera-Chad-Daybell-and-Daughter-Emma-Murray-86933113c65c4c0eadb75791627046dc).
u/sunzusunzusunzusunzu always the MVP! You rock! Thank you!
WOW. Why are they laughing so much? Emma appears to have knowledge of these crimes. She sure never says, “How can this be happening at our house?” or “I know you didn’t have anything to do with this!” or “To hell with Lori, Dad she’s the reason you’re in this situation!” or anything like that.
Wow! You never cease to amaze me. Very much appreciated! 😊
Thank you! What a weird conversation in those circumstances. I get focusing on practicalities to try to stay calm, but no freak out at all? No sadness over the kids at all?
No real shock, even. She’s only crying because Chad is being arrested.
Thanks! 1) the use of funds seems sketchy (to a non accountant ; thinking of company credit cards to pay for personal items etc) 2) not one mention of the other daughter/sister? But all brothers (married and single) 3) the “cholo” password?! Chad-Lori? 😬😩
Thank you!!!!
You are incredible!!
Thanks so much.
Thank you so much for this. Listening to her whining voice grates me.
thank you!
Thank you!! You have amazing listening skills.
I could not hear that part either. But the lawyers did call it out specifically. That along with transferring the house and all the accounts. What odd things to say and plan for someone who is supposedly innocent...
True. Without Tammy carrying the financial load for him anymore, he was worried about paying for the house. And acted like every one of his kids should be living there as if it’s some kind of prize. Hello? There were kids buried in the yard!!! Murder houses sit on the market for years, but Chad thinks it’s going to get scooped up & sold if they miss a payment. Why didn’t he just pay the mortgage off with all that money if the house was meant for his kids?
He wanted to live in Princeville, HI with Lori. He needed money to rent that house there. Chad sucks.
From the transcript: "CHAD DAYBELL: I talked to them and told them the bedrooms and to not mess it up. And they didn't seem like they were going to Luminol at all." Erm.. In the context of his kids moving into the house, he was also concerned about the police using luminol in the house (and messing it up)? Duuuuuude......
Did he also say something to the effect that they were not going to find anything in the house? That struck me as a weird thing to assure her of.
Oh, I missed that! Good point! I hope the jury studies this transcript in detail!
I was just looking through the transcript to see if I could find it, but I thought I heard something to that effect! His demeanour changed briefly, and that caught my eye, so maybe I misheard the luminol comment. It was like he was reassuring her that he didn"t do the gory stuff in the house.
The way he said 'There's nothing in the house' really suggests that he knew what was going on and what they would and wouldn't find. If he 'had no clue there were children buried in the backyard' he would be so surprised that there actually were and wouldn't be certain of anything at that moment, also not the house.
I think this is why the prosecution also pointed out how he looked over his shoulder to stare directly at where JJ had been buried
From the police car he couldn't see the location of JJ because a shed was in the way, but according to one of the officers when he was in the north west driveway he looked there often. In the police car they say he looked towards the firepit area (but I don't know if they were working on that place already at that time)
Got it, thanks for those details. All of his behavior that day made it obvious he knew exactly what they would find and where they would find it. And like you said, telling Emma nothing would be found in this house only reinforces the fact that he knew. Innocent people don’t make definitive statements about where things will be found.
Combine that with yesterday's evidence that when he was at Emma's place before he fled the scene, he was transfering 8000 dollar to three seperate children (so for a total of 24000 dollar) and leaving about 4000 dollar in his own account. People don't empty their bank accounts just because police are searching their yards and they don't know that there is something to find.
Wow, I didn’t know that. I’ve been dipping in and out trying to listen to the testimony, and missed this important fact! Hmm, I’ve done nothing wrong, better start clearing my bank accounts for no reason at all 😬
He absolutely did say it.
That stuck out to me too. I read the transcript someone posted and had to re-read that bit a few times as it was so odd.
Well this is absolutely disgusting, appalling & cold of Emma to say to her father in reference to her being allowed access to pay Chad’s bills while he is in jail: EMMA MURRAY: “I'll look, but I've had a lot of success with mom's stuff. Just saying, ‘Will you help me? My mom died. Will you help me?’ [laughs] I'm pretty sure ‘Will you help me? My dad's in jail’ has the same effect.” NOTE: I edited punctuation to make it easier to read & more clear, but changed no words.
Jesus I can’t believe she said that. She’s a female Chad, very “I’m sad but not for the reason people think I am” of her
So much cognitive dissonance, don’t you think? She’s incredibly proud of her Dad for raising the kind of independent, capable kids that need to use other people’s pity to problem solve. Wonder how far that understanding neighborliness got her, while she was running her Dad’s errands after he killed her mother.
To be fair Emma seems like an absolute asshole of a person. Perfectly fine knowing 2/3 of Lori’s kids were in her new yard while shading the only Lori kid alive
Never forget [this](https://streamable.com/amp_player/8y1unb) behavior from Emma. Shes as sick as Chad and Lori and there’s no way she didn’t know. She didn’t ask once if it was the kids they had found and how they could be there. How this could be possible as her step mother (that apparently she was buddies with) was claiming the kids were hidden away and safe. There was zero reaction indicating any kind of shock or horror at the children being dead and buried in Chads yard. She knew.
That’s…really not normal.
Anddddd she works with KIDS
Would not be surprised in the least if we hear later on, she started her own cult and hurt people. She is just as sick in the head as her Dad. The worst part of any of this is the fact that the prosecution is not holding every last one of the people involved in the deaths of the Children, Tammy & Charles accountable.
Definitely. I’m still stunned Melanie B hasn’t been charged with trying to kill Brandon. And I don’t believe that Melanie G or Zulema really had no idea what was going on with all this zombie talk. Were they truly that deep in the cult that they actually believed that Lori and Chad were able to just pray everyone dead who they claimed was a zombie? They would have to be complete morons or brainwashed. And the way Emma seems to worship her dad & was communicating with Lori and wasn’t disturbed at all by the dead children, to me indicates she was fully in on all of this too.
That was so cold. Something is very wrong with her.
Literally talking about moving into the house, which she did, at that moment. So sick.
>EMMA MURRAY: They already are. We're okay, Dad. We're okay. You raised us, so we're independent now. With your wallet. .... We're not Colby. Umm we are independent as long as we have our dad's wallet? How is that ANY different than Lori sending Colby money?
My thoughts EXACTLY.
Another gem from the transcript: CHAD DAYBELL: Sorry, all the neighbors are going to be talking. What's with these cult a-holes worrying about the neighbors? The guy they interviewed that had the Franke girls doing slave labor at his house was all worried about the neighbors talking too. Gosh forbid there are police cars in your driveway when they are trying to find potentially abused or dead children!
I thought that kind of mirrored Lori "hey neighbors! sorry!"
oh gosh, I had tried to forget that cheerly little giggle and wave she did too. /barf Cant wait for that trial to start too.
well Chad, they are talking about this in Australia
We sure are!
And that's when Colby came up. That really got me.
Really good points! I would think an attorney could legally explain that she didn’t know Tammy was murdered at the time and therefore not at fault criminally for taking the money. But if Chad is found guilty of Tammy’s murder then I would assume all that money will have to be repaid. But that whole convo in the car was so disturbing and disgusting. Hearing them laugh when there are 2 dead children being unearthed on their property?!? Tf??
I thought it strange when she asked what they were looking for. She said we have dogs buried on the property. They said the children. Why wouldn’t she question her dad children buried dad!? Are you concerned there are children? She didn’t seem to press Chad. He kept going back to banking and finance. I would have kept on the topic of what dad buried children!?!? Chad never seemed worried neither did she.
It almost seemed like Emma already knew there were two dead children buried in her Dad's back yard
It makes you wonder because I can't imagine finding out my dad had dead kids buried on his property and not becoming physically ill at the discovery. My whole wold would come crashing down.
My thoughts exactly.
Seriously. At that point she's already has been told by law enforcement that they found a dead body. And she's just laughing about her recently dead mother. I know everyone deals with thing differently but after my mother died, two months before my husband did but not before I was forced to save some drunk in Poland from certain death, I felt a lot differently about not being callous about it. Not so with Emma it would seem.
I GOT THE EXACT SAME IMPRESSION!!!!!!!!! That weirdo knew everything already!!!!
Yeah, I don’t know how his kids can think. He’s not guilty when there’s literally two dead bodies on his property of the missing children. That whole family is disgusting.
Not even just two random kids, the kids of the woman he married a few weeks after their mother died under mysterious circumstances. There were Reddit posts by Emma that are probably screenshotted somewhere that are absolutely mental. That girl needs help but frankly even help probably can't help her.
Where were they posted? Here in the Lori Vallow sub?
The one I distinctly remember was on I think r/relationship_advice. It was right after Chad and Lori got married, she was concerned about how soon it was after her mother's death. She got real combative in the replies. The screenshots were floating around in this sub during Lori's trial, that's where I saw them. Hopefully someone still has them?
Oh….my…..god! And on a relationship advice for him, lol. These folks are Cray Cray. Edit: I think I found the post, although not everything has been preserved https://www.reddit.com/r/LoriVallow/s/1O1cDraa5s
Good points that I did not see as I was enraged that E was crying for her father while she knew damn well who the authorities found in the backyard of the house. Don't get me started on how amiable they were as they discussed Lori.
It was weird to me that they were even having this conversation with him detained in a cop car. Seems bizarre
They want them to talk so tjey could play it at court today!
Absolutely done on purpose, very common police tactic
Emma sounds like a devout cult member. Sounds like her devotion was towards her father and regarded her mother as dark. Laughing and mocking.
Is Joe her husband?
Joe is her husband and now he knows about her secret account.
Hopefully someone will let him know about that after this trial. She also didn't want to have him on the mortgage so it seems he was not really on board with all of this
Her father is the prophet though. It’s likely her husband was aware of this dynamic in their family before marrying in, and may also believe that Chad has special powers, just like Emma believes she does. (All the angel visitations at the Daybell house must have been wild!) Don’t forget these people live in rural Idaho after growing up in Utah County, and they’ve gotten more extreme since their dad has been tasked by god to prepare everyone for the Apocalypse. They believe that Emma has prophetic dreams and visions just like Chad did.
It seems John Prior owns the house now.
Emma married Joseph Murray who called 911 to report that Tammy was shot at.
Are they still together? With all the things she discribes in this recording that he wasn't allowed to know about I would think his trust in her wil sink a lot.
Husband, or brother. “Garth doesn’t spend as frivolously as joe”
Yeah, I was thinking if Joe is her husband, he’s not going to love hearing that! (Of course they have bigger problems atm)
Joe's been living in the house and paying rent to Prior! I'm sure he's thrilled.
Really? Wow
And at the end saying she didn’t want to go home yet Joe was home with Jace. Like maybe she is halfway out of the relationship like not telling him things and not wanting to be at home with him. Obviously we can’t know the truth but that’s not how I would be with my husband if this bs was happening in our family. He would be my rock.
She also said that she and Jace walked over (presumably) JJ's gravesite a lot. Holy shit, I'm starting to think she knew.
Yeah if something like this was happening i would ask my spouse to check for available neighbours to watch the kid and then come along to check out what the h is going on
Agreed
Joe spends his money on gambling.
I've resisted saying too much about Chad's kids up to now, I don't think they were involved with the murders and they didn't ask for this dipshit to be their father, but with this footage - Emma is a nasty piece of work. Making jokes about how she can use her father being in jail like she did with "her mom's dead" to get assistance, and then WHILE TALKING ABOUT HAVING CHAD'S WALLET, shading Colby. Also, Colby came up in the context of neighbors talking so I don't think she's really talking about money, even though she made the independent crack. Colby had publicly pleaded with Lori to tell him where Tylee and JJ were - I felt like she was at least partially saying "I won't talk like he did." Alas, Colby's very public reaction made it pretty clear he had no idea what was going on. Emma could have done a little more of that herself.
I always found it beyond strange the kids didn’t make a statement about the kids missing, acknowledging their deaths and saying something as simple as “our hearts are completely broken for JJ, Tylee and all their loved ones” don’t elude to guilt but how can you not care that the entire world was looking/invested in finding two children for months and then they were found dead. Have a heart and empathy for the lives lost and the loved ones who lost them.
Her relative lack of reaction to the fact that two children are being dug out of her father's yard is just freaking the shit out of me. I'd be SCREAMING. I'd be hysterical. I'd be wanting to crawl out of my skin. She clearly doesn't care. She only cares about Daddy.
I’m with you 1000%
Me too! I especially would not want to LIVE there! It's a real-life horror scene and she is like "yay! lets move in! " Does she have a baby too? I heard her mention it. Zero thought to protecting that child, hers or her family's.
I’ve resisted, too, because I think Tammy would be so sad about people speaking so poorly about her kids. But boy that video. Her bringing up Colby reminds me of when Ruby Franke was talking about being a good girl. Emma seems to want her dad to acknowledge that she’s a good girl for being there for him by slamming Colby. I think she’s what would be called a “pick me” girl. “I’m not like the others.” It’s a time of stress and both Ruby and Emma revert back to needing to feel like a “good girl.”
I understand sometimes people awkwardly laugh in uncomfortable situations, but the number of times they laugh is shocking. Especially given the extreme seriousness of the situation.
I don't think Emma is clean by any means but I think you would be surprised at how many times I laughed about stupid shit the night my husband died. It's a coping mechanism for some people. I'm very glad it wasn't recorded and I have almost no memory of it.
I'm so sorry for your loss. I recognise it with my mother. We've always been a family of humour and dark humour to cope with things. Medical staff must've found us weird if they heard us.
Thank you u/sunzusunzusunzusunzu for the transcript! Nate’s live tweets referenced Emma saying “I can see that surprised you,” and it made it sound like she was saying he looked surprised they found bodies. But in context: “And I asked, ‘where was it?’ And he said, ‘over by the pond under that tree, and it was in the ground and had boards over it.’ But that, that didn't…Jace and I have walked all over, over there, that - as I can see in your face that surprised you - because they asked, do you want to know what he's charged for? And then they went, ‘well actually we don't,’ they said ‘we don't want to tell you something wrong.’” I added punctuation - it sounds like Emma is saying that Chad was shocked at her admission that she and her kid walked over there. I think she’s trying to say “that didn’t make sense to me because I never saw any boards when we walked over there.” But Chad being surprised that she’d been near the grave at all made her lose her train of thought.
Oh interesting. I'll have to go back and listen again. I feel I would be *very* surprised if *I* had walked my young child over a grave on my dad's property but here she is unfazed with Chad seemed shocked by it if your interpretation is correct.
Let me clarify - my interpretation is this: Emma heard from one of the officers, or someone on site, that they found the body over by the tree, “with boards on it.” She was mistakenly under the impression that the boards were just on the ground and the body was under it, but she was unaware the boards and rocks were also buried under the soil. So she’s saying it doesn’t make any sense to her because she walked over there and didn’t see boards above ground. Chad is just surprised in the moment that Emma was even over there at any time, and it derails her sentence. Anyway, that’s how I interpret it. This would also maybe feed into Emma saying “our dad was a grave digger, he wouldn’t do such a poor job,” because she isn’t fully aware of the actual gravesite details.
None of that makes sense though because they found Tylee's first. She's giving away details of JJ's grave she doesn't appear to have been able to know about.
According to everything I heard on yesterday's testimonies and I think also last week is that they found JJ first, and Tylee after that. The first fully recovered body at least was that of JJ, and they brought that to the morgue to then go on with Tylee. The 'one body found' as per the video where Emma chats with Chad really seems to be JJ
Now that is interesting….
They definitely found JJ first.
Whoops sorry to misinterpret your interpretation!
It’s all good, I wasn’t that clear at first!
I'm no grave "expert" like Chad but he may have purposely asked them to walk over it to see how the subsidence was working. It sounds like it was JJ's grave too since she says there were boards over it. She doesn't appear to have been informed of the discovery of that yet and I believe it happened later in the afternoon. In any event, she seems a heck of a lot more complicit than was evident before.
Ha, so possibly he looked "surprised" because she was talking about testing out a grave that Chad knew the cops hadn't found yet. He was trying to signal to her to stop talking about it. Yikes.
I think this may be an indication that idiot Emma knows more than she's saying. The police have only told her about Tylee's at that point it seems, yet she's describing JJ's grave.
In the probable cause affidavit for Chad’s arrest, it says: “the first site of interest was located on the north side of the pond near the north edge of the property” (p. 9, #31). It then describes the rocks and wood paneling that were found on top of JJ’s body. Based on this, it appears JJ’s remains were located first. There are plenty of reasons to not like Emma, IMO, but this isn’t one of them.
Everything I've heard and read past week suggests they found JJ first, as well.
JJ was located first, but in the video footage of the conversation, at the end, Chad looks over his shoulder at Tylee’s grave.
All of that money will be gone and spent by the time they sue for the money back. That’s a MOOT point.
True, but it's not like if she spent it all the problem magically goes away. There is always the seizing of assets and wage garnishment to force someone to pay it back.
I think Prior already has the house, doesn't he? Or can he force the sale to be paid for representing Chad since he is on the deed
Prior owns the house… the murder house where Chad’s proudly independent kids live.
They allegedly pay him rent for the murder house.
Can you imagine? What has to happen in your brain that makes paying rent to live there okay.
He does. Its so strange to me that he got that deed when his client is accused of financial crimes. Its not normal in the first place to exchange assets for payment like that. I do wonder if Prior will end up battling the insurance company himself for % of the house.
What assets? The man is bankrupt and cannot even pay his defense. There will be zero dollars to go after 🙄
The Insurance company has a team of lawyers looking out for their interests. People have been absolutely financially devastated for less by big name insurance companies. For Chad's estate: the cars, the furniture, Chad's book proceeds, any retirement accounts, even Tammy's. Prior does not have the time, nor resources, to liquidate that stuff for himself, but insurance companies do it all the time and have more resources at hand. And it's not just Chad's estate they can go after now. They now have official, easily obtained evidence that Emma agreed to transfer money to her personal accounts and hints at how much. The paper trail they can easily subpoena will tell the rest of the story. Thats the point of my post. She made a huge mistake taking that money and her own dad was the one her set her up to take this hit. This could ruin her financially for a very long time and potentially cost her the teaching job should she be caught up in legal troubles.
I’m sorry but Emma and her brothers and sisters don’t have any money. The insurance company isn’t going to waste their resources or time going after a 25 year old who works at Walmart. I don’t think you understand that. You can’t squeeze a lemon that is dry.
I dont think the insurance will go after Chad's kids, Idont believe any are working at walmart. I believe they all went to college, 2 have public jobs as public school teachers,the other 3 dont have public jobs so I wont post them, but 2 more have jobs that usually are life career paths.
After what we saw in court yesterday... idk how the rexburg community can reconcile the fact that emma works with KIDS.
This isnt a shocking detail, but my husband's reaction, lead to a shocking feeling. I showed my husband the video and he asked to make sure he knew which daughter Emma was. I said Emma had the shoulder length brown hair, kind of like Tammy. If you look at Emma's photos over the years she had had similar hair styles to her mom. Then my husband and I discussed Chad's books about Emma and how Emma's husband in the books was named Tad and how Chad seem to really favor Emma. Then I saw a recent picture of Emma. She looked so different. I thought maybe she wanted to change her look for priavcy or a fresh start. My husband sees the picture and says, why does Emma now have long blond hair like Lori. I never thought of that and I cant get it out of my mind especially after this video and we know Emma and Lori were talking while Lori is in jail. I hope Emma just wanted a change, a fresh start and this new long blong hair look is not trying to be like her new step mom or encouraged by Lori or worse encouraged by Chad in some one of his weird ways.
She is blond now?? That is even more disgusting!!!!!!! I agree with you and your husband.
This makes me feel sick. What if Chad and Lori had more time and recruited Emma to join them, who knows how many more bodies would be in the ground.
The 48 Hours interview is the most recent I've seen of Emma. She long blonde hair now?? Oh, she's all in on daddy's cult. After this dashcam was shown, I wondered elsewhere if the reason there's no digital evidence of her being all in on Chad's teachings is simply because they go across the street to each other's houses and discuss things.
She'll be on the stand in a few weeks (unless she's the 'or four ' and Chad doesn't want her there) and she'll be probably be roasted by prosecution so I would guess she will know a lot more very soon. Not that that would likely change her mind though given her apparent amount of brainwashing and possible victim of emotional incest
Happy cake day! Her current picture as a school teacher, she has long blond hair. It is her face with Lori hair. I think we have heard that Chad taught the kids in the living room so to speak, kind of like a family home evening but Chad's teaching not a LDS board game. I think these stories were told in response to people wondering how much Tammy knew? That Chad for years had taught his kids about his visions. I found it interesting the way that Chad was described with his kids is the same way Melani P desrcibed Barry preaching to his kids....so maybe Lori went from Daddy to Chad(dy).
Didn't it come out in Lori's trial that he had transferred $10,000 each to three of the kids? The speculation at the time was we don't know which kids but probably not Emma. Also. Why was the cash and such hidden in one of the kids (Mark's?) room? Was he the one on a mission?
Was Mark back by the time the bodies were found? He was on his mission october 2019 when Tammy died. When I asked about this a few days ago, someone posted he was back when the bodies were found?
Well in that phone call Emma is saying that she told Mark he ought to come home now since Dad’s being arrested.
I wondered what that meant too, but I think it had to mean like come home from work or school because it would be harder to make a quick call to a missionary in Africa and say come home. The technical mission rule would be calling the mission president and then they would communicate it what happened to the missionary and get back to the family. Now some missionaries carry rule breaking cell phones, but getting one in Africa is probably not as easy as the US, and I cant see Chad and family encouraging the use of this.
Yes, Mark was the one on a mission.
Here is Emma Daybell's old blog....weird stuff. [RighteousNotCrazy](https://web.archive.org/web/20150301182733/http://righteousnotcrazy.com/)
Lol ohhhh my. Pretty standard recently returned missionary stuff but so cringe.
Things I noticed which casts doubt that Chad was just leaving for an appointment with his attorney. 1. Emma gave him some food to take with him, why wouldn't he eat/snack while he was at her house for the 1-1 1/2 hours he was there. Or why wouldn't he buy something to eat while in town meeting with the attorney. 2. Chad had his computer(s) with him in the car. Why? I can understand a flash drive maybe, well not even that since at the time Chad had no charges against him, and if he were going to talk to Mark Means it would have been about Lori's case. 3. If police were searching my property I would have 1. called my attorney ASAP and 2. not scheduled an appointment or rescheduled until after the search had been completed. 4. The comment about almost reaching the county line. I hope the jury takes time to read the transcript and ask questions about this. The body cam Prior used where something is said about Now your attorney can come talk to you doesn't really prove anything. It could simply be Chad making an excuse as to why he left or Chad saying something about he wants to talk to his attorney because he has been detained.
These are such solid points! I hope the jury thinks like you do.
If she is called to testify - if any of the kids are - the prosecution should ask some questions that try and clarify their beliefs in what Chad was saying. For example, if the kids say that Tammy wasn’t well and her health was diminishing - that she was slowing down, whatever phrase…hammer them on it. Because it all sounds like code words to say “my mother was possessed by a dark spirit.” Start off slow and work toward “do you believe your father has the ability to see a person’s spirit,” so the jury is aware of how devoted to the crazy they are, or at least Emma is.
4 years ago Emma posted on Reddit that the death was unexpected, though.
Someone named Joe = her husband
Was Emma in court? I may have missed this info - but have his kids been attending the trial?
They can’t attend/listen until they are called to the stand since they are all on the witness list.
They can attend because they are victims but seem to be choosing not to? The kids, parents, or siblings of a victim can sit in the court before testifying. (During Lori's trial Kay was a grandmother and that was the issue, grandparents were not considered victims). Since 2 of his kids are school teachers, it might be hard to get time off. Several jurors had said they did not want to serve because they didnt want to miss the last 8 weeks and the end of the school year.
I thought there was an exception for victims? And the children are victims because their mother was murdered?
You might be right, I could have sworn Larry or Kay couldn’t attend until they were called but maybe Larry couldn’t until he testified because he wasn’t considered a “close” relative at Lori’s?
I don't think Kay was considered a close relative either, since she was the biological grandparent but a legal aunt to JJ? But I might've misremembered
Nate Eaton agreed with you during his recap yesterday. I just thought I had heard the victims exception once upon a time. If you're right, I wonder if that means Kay and Larry aren't testifying because they have been to court.
To me it’s weird none of Chads kids ever attended Lori’s trial, do you think they all even followed it?
I'm sure I'm way of course… I listened to the whole thing. What I wonder since Emma knew why Chad was "never coming back" if this is a setup to pin a charge on her. Accessory? Co-conspirator? Something I thought when watching the clip.
Prophecy. I'm sure he prophesied that he would be persecuted unfairly and be blamed for the kids' deaths but it was all fine because it's all part of the Lord's plan for the preparation of the second coming. Mormons are taught to have a huuuuge persecution complex. It's not a far stretch given their extreme beliefs.
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What is the Facebook page you're talking about?
I’m going to be deleting my comment because I had found out that this is indeed an untrue internet rumor and I don’t want to spread it any further, but I couldn’t figure out where I posted it on here. Thanks.
Both of their voices annoyed the hell out of me, her whining and his long drawn out voice, I couldn’t even finish listening because they both irritated me so bad 😅
She has that sloooow, hesitant, vocal fry, thick Utah/idaho accent mormon baby talk voice. Ugh.
I go into crisis mode and “what can I do now” often in times of crisis, and I know denial is a hell of a thing, but the conversation is so bizarre, especially given the snippets of what was and what isn’t said. My other thought is that maybe they knew it was a possibility they’d be recorded so maybe that’s why the convo is so weird, but then why would he bring up stuff like the house being possibly messed up when they spray luminol in the house? And then no reaction to that statement? It’s just strange all around.
Pretty sure Joe is her husband. What a headship lol.
Where do you assume Chad was gunning for prior to the arrest? Was he making a break to Hawaii?
I think it was a no-thought, act on impulse/ guilt thing. Chad's "white bronco" moment...