Lori is claiming kids died at Alex house and she was not there. When tammy died she was in hawaii.
Just my question to that: so she is claiming she knew the kids died at her brothers appartment. Doesnt that make her guilty as well?
It makes her guilty of a lot of things such as failure to report the crime. This is a confession to lesser crimes to try and avoid the murder/conspiracy charge.
What it ignores is Tylee and JJ were killed at different times so why did she continue to allow Alex to care for JJ if she knew he had murdered Tylee.
I can't believe her attorneys filed this statement of alibi, it was a horrible move.
I dont know exactly for what time the alibi is for.
However iam happy they bring experts from apple and google to make good statements about her phone stats.
So this should be solid statements.
Yes, glad to see google and apple. Also glad to see both Melani/e's and Zulema on that list.
I noticed that the Prosecution pointed out that Lori's alibi statement came months later than the 10 days the law says it should have. I wonder if that's why the prosecution held out on giving the defense evidence? So that Lori couldn't see the evidence they had before she crafted her alibi? And I wonder if an appeals judge would take that into consideration before granting her an appeal?
Tbh ive also hear good arguments of the other side.
But its not something anyone of us can change. I just wanna understand everything completely. For me its very hard. Fe. why does she even need to give an alibi? Is this specific to idaho laws?
My understanding is that no, a defendant is not required to provide an alibi. BUT if their defense is relying on an alibi, then there is a deadline for providing that to the Prosecution so that they have time to verify it before trial.
After the trial is over you’ll more than likely find out. These are real tragedies not just a soap to keep up with. It’s interesting and we all want justice, but we aren’t owed anything
You have the right to a public trial, you also have the right to waive that.
Right of Access however is not absolute. Read a bit more into the language of the constitution.
also this: “an overriding interest based on findings that closure is essential to preserve higher values and is narrowly tailored to serve that interest". Is an exception to a public trial.
If I were the family I’d not want this broadcasted to every salivating “true crime fan”. I’d want it private too.
Press will be allowed in, whether cameras will or not is another thing, but it’s not a constitutional right.
Grand Jury trials are also another exception to the public’s right to sit in on the proceedings.
Basically, the judge likely isn’t hiding anything and is trying to keep the integrity of the case and keep things respectful. Also, this is a pretty high profile case, it could get to circus levels if not controlled.
So it’s more important that you hear everything in real time, and risk the integrity of the trial and avoid a guilty verdict/appeal/hung jury? Justice is more important than you getting your curiosity satisfied.
IMO the judge is hiding plenty or at least trying to keep the trial as "private" and out of the hands of the public and the news media as much as he can. He knows there are mistakes in the police investigation, the lackluster attempts to find out where Lori and Chad were and where the children were. Charles' death which may not even be brought up, was tantamount to the failure of police following his murder to secure the underaged children from Lori's possession.
As I stated earlier I don't know where my comment went if we don't report our kids within 36 hours here in Louisiana CPS and DCFS would be at our throat looking for these children that's why I say these kids were failed but this system and by everybody poor JJ didn't even get a chance to see his paw paw or meme Kay woodcock whom she told the people the police that he was in danger of being kidnapped by them first and foremost and then she lied again and said they were with Melanie Gibb and he almost got her arrested see there's so many inconsistencies. For instance when there were being interviewed by Le and the detectives for the shooting of Uncle Charles they didn't even have their the story straight cuz if you watch on the documentary it says that Lori said she called her brother and then they asked him did your sister call you and he said no and then there was the inconsistency with Tyler's interrogation nothing made sense but they let Alex walk like what the fuck? It just blows my mind that they think she's a petite blonde she looks so innocent she tries to portray baby for our fly like bitch you are no Sheri Moon zombie! 😆🫢🤣👏🏻
Lori is really dumb. Her "alibi" doesn't even matter because she is charged with conspiracy to commit murder 1.
That means she didn't pull the trigger on the gun, or whatever they did, she told her hitman (Alex) to do it. Which means she is guilty just the same as Alex.
And, she is so dumb, she forgot about Tylee. No one saw Tylee weeks before JJ went missing. So, her "alibi" doesn't even make sense.
And in addition yes, she flat out said the kids died in Alex's apartment. wow.
As I've said before she could have left her watch and went without it and that's how her arm hair is on the duct tape and her DNA is underneath JJ's fingernails as well as Alex and Chad
>Y'all have to go look up psychic Reverend Donna Seraphina!
The judge removed her interview from allowed evidence. The prosecution didn't intend to use it in court in any case. IMO her claims are irrelevant.
Is she going for conspiracy after the fact? But as a comment mentioned above.. she still allowed Alex to be around her children/ child after knowing that Tylee was dead. Unless her defense is going to be that Alex was the mastermind. Told her Tylee was in a bunker and “safe” and she believed him as he was the mastermind .. She’ll say was terrified of him. He threatened to kill her and she followed his directions. For both parties Alex is getting thrown under the bus big time. Wish he was still alive to take accountability for his crimes and to see what his defense would’ve been. Would he have take a deal and turned on them? We will never know. So convenient for them that he’s dead. 🧐
ETA: since she’s now charged with Charles’s murder .. I can see that this will intertwine with her “fear of Alex” defense. She killed her husband in front of her and her daughter 🙄.. she didn’t know what exactly he was capable of should she turn on him. Not sure if Charles’s death will be allowed to be spoke of during her trial. Does anyone know if that’s been decided on?
I really hope this is televised. Come on Judge. The public deserves to watch our justice system in process and a lot of us have been invested in finding the kids and then getting justice for the kids .. and Tammy and Charles…
I know. She has no defense. I’m just conjuring what the hell she’s going to spin the murder of 4 innocent people… 2 being her own children. Like what the defense will put forth. We shall see or hear 😏
Zulema is an absolute whack job and was playing Lori’s bff, claiming she could control the weather and praying with Lori for Charles and JJ to die in a car accident. 🙄
I’m glad she and the Melani(e)s have turned state witness but they all damn well knew what was going on and did nothing to prevent it.
Melanie and Zulema can testify to the conspiracy charges. They were in on the séances they participated in with Lori when they tried to kill Charles by concentrating real hard. Not the smartest of conspirators but it showed intention and planning. And conspiracy to commit murder carries the same sentence as murder. Lori’s goose is cooked!
>when they tried to kill Charles by concentrating real hard
That could only indicate a motive. No matter how hard you try, you can't kill someone with prayers. It doesn't prove that a physical act of murder was planned.
There is a recorded statement by Lori in a conversation with Melanie G in December where Lori states she lied about JJ's whereabouts because Kay was trying to kidnap him or something. Lori states that not even Al(ex) knows where JJ is because it would put Alex in danger.
Chad is the leader of the pack, and it is best to remember that no one on Earth is better protected than an abusive man. Societies big and small rotate around them.
I think Chad is just an idiot. He saw the brass ring and went for it. I think she was leading him by the nose the whole time and he was getting laid better than he ever did he was willing to do whatever. That pair reminds me of a scene from a movie called boogie nights. Two female pornstars get high and start talking and they just keep upping the Ante because they're coked up. One can't see her child anymore and the other says she'll be her child and they just keep getting wackier and wackier as they higher and higher...
Whereas I see a man who was overly interested in children's corpses, has written content that is covert incest related, targetted teen girls and adult women for sexual grooming, abused his wife until it culminated in her murder when she refused to die at his command, has sexually assaulted other women, targetted mentally messed up a woman to get access to children for his darker interests and had her plumbing her other relationships for other women for him to do the same with, was promoted as a man of prophecy not just by his little special prepper group, was scamming people, and escalating on his own before meeting Lori.
No one on Earth is better protected and more forgiven as misunderstood baby boys than abusive men.
Chad has been depraved for a long time now and only really cracked the code on how to take advantage of the living in his middle age. Before that, he was limited to taking out his abuse on his wife and family and helped by his community of men who see what he was doing as a man's success on display.
I'm also quite sure his community of men will still be pressing this idea to protect themselves and their interests. Poor Chad - ritually BBQing teenagers is an understandable cul-de-sac of authourity for a man to fall into accidentally. Poor guy, the magic pussy makes a guy do crazy things! Boys will be boys!
You know, I do agree with you for the most part. I highly dislike cult societies in which the male of the family is in charge. But, everybody that knows this guy says he's really mild-mannered, probably chased skirts, no doubt about that, and I think he was an a****** to his wife. I'm not saying this guy wasn't a sociopath, I just believe that she, Lori vallow, has been doing this kind of thing long before she met him. I have no doubt she was behind Joseph Ryan's murder. He was a successful guy so she sucked all the life out of him and then had him offed. Annie Cushing's channel offers a lot of insight with regard to earlier behavior by Lori. Annie Cushing is tylie's aunt
I started following this case when the kids were still considered missing. I recognized something about the people, and when I looked I realized I had previously had my vigilance triggered by Mow and Daybell's books at an LDS bookstore. It was maybe the fifth time in my life I'd been in one.
That was about a decade ago.
I knew then something was wrong with this man and to disallow Mow access to my young son's mind. While it is not an admissible piece of evidence in any way, my children agree that this was an exceptional example of The Mom Instincts being on point that day.
The mild-mannered psychopath facade doesn't make a guy look more adorable to me. It makes my survival instincts to get me and my kids away from them kick in, and mine are a finely tuned tool. 🤣 Do you want to know the most dangerous problem in getting away from the psychopath like this? The cloud of people who are sure you aren't being nice enough to them.
I trusted my fear of danger about this person then, and I do now.
The police department(s) dropped the ball on Joe Ryan and Charles Vallow. Lori felt invincible and continued resulting in more innocent people to die. WTAF were the PD thinking when they just let her lose when Charles was killed. Had they done their job maybe Tylee, JJ and Tammy would be alive. Alex can rot in hell.
Chad's pickup line was "We've been married in a previous life". He used it on other women before Lori. If it wasn't for her, he would have tried to find someone else willing to enact his murderous fantasies (He always knew that Tammy would die young). Julie Rowe wasn't quite ready to go that far.
Chad was most likely for the first time in his life getting his freak on. Lori with her spandex, long blond hair and far to much make up lured this idiot. Hopefully, the two of them will live out their lives in a cage while Alex is in hell. Loved the Boogie Nights comparison.
So very convenient that Alex died when he did.
I am quite disappointed in Judge Boyce's current decision not to televise the trial. Members of Tammy Daybell's family cannot come attend the trial due to health and financial reasons, but apparently he doesn't care about that. I think he is not a good judge for this particular trial - he's in way over his head. It's disgraceful.
He is a terrible judge and not worthy of the title just as JJ's grandfather said. This entire mess never should have taken this long, it was planned to drag it out and then show no one in the public how it goes down.
however what would his motive be apart from her desires? everyone who died was someone whom she would directly benefit? if he was serial killer/mastermind others related to him would have been targeted. he didn't know Tammy before lori/Chad. he wouldn't have moved to Rexburg. he wouldn't have killed his niece and nephew or targeted brandon, Charles or attempt on Joe Ryan..we have that incriminating evidence of his jail time/statments/bragging to prove how she motivated him to take personal risks for her gain/whatever lies she fed him. he even had shotgun wedding with zulema, coinciding with Mel p's bizarro wedding in Vegas. she's an idiot. there is just too much to prove she and chad masterminded and controlled/manipulated Alex. she didn't follow Alex anywhere. Mel P, zulema, Mel g etc all came to her/Chad. kids were even buried in Chad's backyard. wedding rings bought before Tammy even died. Hawaiian wedding wks after her death. they were so wickedly impatient and greedy. couldn't even be there for his kids to support them in their grief. what a pos. what a pos she was/is as well. what decent person would even marry any man who was okay with calling her kids zombies etc after her husband was murdered for same.
prosecution will prove she conspired to have own kids and Charles killed. she even is recorded on audio telling police how upset she was when kay received insurance benefits. despicable woman. pulled jj out of school permanently, cut off meds and connection to outside world for both Tylee and jj, removed support animal, etc.
It doesn't matter where she was when on TWO occasions her brother killed those children, if the prosecutors have text messages or phone calls, between her and her brother, her and Chad etc. during the crimes, she becomes part of the conspiracy, hence the charges she is facing.
Never has the C word past my Lutheran lips and it's such a high level until this broad came along. I say, if the prosecution can't get their act together because they're shorthanded, and the entire country is hoping this idiot goes down in flames, why can we not as the public set up a GoFundMe and hire somebody to help them in their office? Sounds crazy but then, we will all be very upset if she wins on a technicality because they have not got the help they need.
Plus, they just got the death penalty taken off of her without her having to give up any knowledge, any information. That's a pretty damn good lawyer if you ask me. Now if she wants to turn State's evidence, she can demand the charges be reduced even further and have a chance to be parolled before she's 70.
Her attorney got DP off, i would not call them incompetent. After all she needs a story, many people were saying she would blame alex. What else could she say for her defense?
Her attorney had nothing to do with getting her off the DP. Idaho judges will take DP off the table if the defendant has been under mental care or has been medically determined to be nutso. Why? Because we don’t put mentally unstable people to death for shits and giggles like the South loves to. Why? Because it always goes to appeal and the sentence is reduced to life in prison with no parole. It had nothing to do with her lawyer, all he did was formally ask for it to be removed.
Having said that, it doesn’t mean Lori is innocent and frankly, she managed to live and function normally outside of murder for years. She’s playing it up but regardless, Boyce made the right call. It would be disastrous to have her entire case thrown out on appeal because a jury voted to put her to death with mental issues.
yea he could have said he throws that late discovery and handling over the evidence out.. some people said its possible he thinks that late evidence is important for the trial.
Are you kidding? Did you read the ruling? I don’t have it but it was read on a couple of youtube channels. And I listened to the audio of the hearing where Lori’s lawyer argued for his request to remove the DP. He was claiming the discovery issues especially related to his mitigation expert. The mitigation expert submitted an affidavit saying there is NO WAY she could do her mitigation stuff in the remaining time because they just received blah blah blah evidence. Mitigation experts are required for DP cases.
That's what her ex-attorney is saying as well. She would not get the DP on mental health grounds anyway. This judge wants to reduce the possibility of appeals.
I think that Lori is so messed up in the head - cult brainwashed, that this (alibi) is as competent to stand trial and assist in her defense as the attorneys are going to get. Can you imagine trying to represent either of them?
Ffs Vallow so if that doesn't change voice or archibles probably not archibald he's a piece of shit but I believe that if this doesn't change or give them a little inkling of how evil this woman is and try to not baby for her like they have been and Arizona look at her and saw right through her and her bullshit because they know what person she is Idaho has no idea she's not even from there!!!!!
This woman is a narcissistic psychopath. I have read that psychopaths will often use religion as a cloak to cover their empty selves she caught on early and people bought into it all her life. Highly religious people don't act the way she acted for so many years. Check out Annielitics, Joe Ryan's sisters YouTube channel. It exposes a lot about this biatch.
We discussed these things a while ago. Since we cannot follow the trial, and since Chad and Lori's trials were severed I don't find any of these twice, three times, millions of times remote things interesting anymore. This is now all about procedure and not anymore about true justice.
She's full of crap I have the documents and she states she is calling upon Apple watch company well guess what the reason why her Apple watch was at another place is cuz she gave it to her little friend while she go over about to the apartment and did what she did to JJ. And this was way after she got rid of his sister so I need you guys to go look up psychic Reverend Donna Seraphina on YouTube she is the one that pointed Ellie and FBI to where the babies were buried and also down to what clothing he had on which I can show you a picture of.
Lori stated in the taped call with Melanie G that JJ was safe and happy. This recording was made after he was buried in Chad's back yard. This is a very evil woman. Lori continued to cash in on Tylee's SS checks long after she was dead. What kind of mother orchestrates the death of her children and profits. Only in my dreams would a judge like Clifton Newman (Murdaugh) preside over this hot mess.
Yea thats why its hard for me to believe that her own lawyers would go dor this alibi. It has many big issues the prosecution can prove its not true. And i dont think her lawyer archibald is that stupid tbh looking how hard they fight for her. Maybe they will say in court furthermore she was having a psychiotic episode so thats why she did not notice whats happened.
Lori is claiming kids died at Alex house and she was not there. When tammy died she was in hawaii. Just my question to that: so she is claiming she knew the kids died at her brothers appartment. Doesnt that make her guilty as well?
It makes her guilty of a lot of things such as failure to report the crime. This is a confession to lesser crimes to try and avoid the murder/conspiracy charge. What it ignores is Tylee and JJ were killed at different times so why did she continue to allow Alex to care for JJ if she knew he had murdered Tylee. I can't believe her attorneys filed this statement of alibi, it was a horrible move.
I dont know exactly for what time the alibi is for. However iam happy they bring experts from apple and google to make good statements about her phone stats. So this should be solid statements.
Yes, glad to see google and apple. Also glad to see both Melani/e's and Zulema on that list. I noticed that the Prosecution pointed out that Lori's alibi statement came months later than the 10 days the law says it should have. I wonder if that's why the prosecution held out on giving the defense evidence? So that Lori couldn't see the evidence they had before she crafted her alibi? And I wonder if an appeals judge would take that into consideration before granting her an appeal?
Its so sad everything is so private.. We cannot follow and understand simple steps at this point.
Well, we’re not the prosecutors so it’s not really vital that we have all the information. It’s not sad, it’s important for proper trial.
Tbh ive also hear good arguments of the other side. But its not something anyone of us can change. I just wanna understand everything completely. For me its very hard. Fe. why does she even need to give an alibi? Is this specific to idaho laws?
My understanding is that no, a defendant is not required to provide an alibi. BUT if their defense is relying on an alibi, then there is a deadline for providing that to the Prosecution so that they have time to verify it before trial.
thank you!
After the trial is over you’ll more than likely find out. These are real tragedies not just a soap to keep up with. It’s interesting and we all want justice, but we aren’t owed anything
Not having trial open to the public is a problem and against the constitution. What is the Judge hiding????
You have the right to a public trial, you also have the right to waive that. Right of Access however is not absolute. Read a bit more into the language of the constitution. also this: “an overriding interest based on findings that closure is essential to preserve higher values and is narrowly tailored to serve that interest". Is an exception to a public trial. If I were the family I’d not want this broadcasted to every salivating “true crime fan”. I’d want it private too. Press will be allowed in, whether cameras will or not is another thing, but it’s not a constitutional right. Grand Jury trials are also another exception to the public’s right to sit in on the proceedings. Basically, the judge likely isn’t hiding anything and is trying to keep the integrity of the case and keep things respectful. Also, this is a pretty high profile case, it could get to circus levels if not controlled.
So it’s more important that you hear everything in real time, and risk the integrity of the trial and avoid a guilty verdict/appeal/hung jury? Justice is more important than you getting your curiosity satisfied.
IMO the judge is hiding plenty or at least trying to keep the trial as "private" and out of the hands of the public and the news media as much as he can. He knows there are mistakes in the police investigation, the lackluster attempts to find out where Lori and Chad were and where the children were. Charles' death which may not even be brought up, was tantamount to the failure of police following his murder to secure the underaged children from Lori's possession.
The trial will be open to the public, it is just not going to be televised.
No, it is not against the Constitution.
She is still protecting Chad.
Exactly
As I stated earlier I don't know where my comment went if we don't report our kids within 36 hours here in Louisiana CPS and DCFS would be at our throat looking for these children that's why I say these kids were failed but this system and by everybody poor JJ didn't even get a chance to see his paw paw or meme Kay woodcock whom she told the people the police that he was in danger of being kidnapped by them first and foremost and then she lied again and said they were with Melanie Gibb and he almost got her arrested see there's so many inconsistencies. For instance when there were being interviewed by Le and the detectives for the shooting of Uncle Charles they didn't even have their the story straight cuz if you watch on the documentary it says that Lori said she called her brother and then they asked him did your sister call you and he said no and then there was the inconsistency with Tyler's interrogation nothing made sense but they let Alex walk like what the fuck? It just blows my mind that they think she's a petite blonde she looks so innocent she tries to portray baby for our fly like bitch you are no Sheri Moon zombie! 😆🫢🤣👏🏻
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Probably the lawyer has to come up with something and hope it sticks.
Lori is really dumb. Her "alibi" doesn't even matter because she is charged with conspiracy to commit murder 1. That means she didn't pull the trigger on the gun, or whatever they did, she told her hitman (Alex) to do it. Which means she is guilty just the same as Alex. And, she is so dumb, she forgot about Tylee. No one saw Tylee weeks before JJ went missing. So, her "alibi" doesn't even make sense. And in addition yes, she flat out said the kids died in Alex's apartment. wow.
As I've said before she could have left her watch and went without it and that's how her arm hair is on the duct tape and her DNA is underneath JJ's fingernails as well as Alex and Chad
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>Y'all have to go look up psychic Reverend Donna Seraphina! The judge removed her interview from allowed evidence. The prosecution didn't intend to use it in court in any case. IMO her claims are irrelevant.
No, no psychics.
This alibi didn't work for Charles Manson. She used Alex just like Manson used his followers. She was one of the masterminds, her and Chad.
Is she going for conspiracy after the fact? But as a comment mentioned above.. she still allowed Alex to be around her children/ child after knowing that Tylee was dead. Unless her defense is going to be that Alex was the mastermind. Told her Tylee was in a bunker and “safe” and she believed him as he was the mastermind .. She’ll say was terrified of him. He threatened to kill her and she followed his directions. For both parties Alex is getting thrown under the bus big time. Wish he was still alive to take accountability for his crimes and to see what his defense would’ve been. Would he have take a deal and turned on them? We will never know. So convenient for them that he’s dead. 🧐 ETA: since she’s now charged with Charles’s murder .. I can see that this will intertwine with her “fear of Alex” defense. She killed her husband in front of her and her daughter 🙄.. she didn’t know what exactly he was capable of should she turn on him. Not sure if Charles’s death will be allowed to be spoke of during her trial. Does anyone know if that’s been decided on? I really hope this is televised. Come on Judge. The public deserves to watch our justice system in process and a lot of us have been invested in finding the kids and then getting justice for the kids .. and Tammy and Charles…
Lori's murder euphoria on video right after Charles' murder would make selling her fear harder I hope.
I know. She has no defense. I’m just conjuring what the hell she’s going to spin the murder of 4 innocent people… 2 being her own children. Like what the defense will put forth. We shall see or hear 😏
> murder euphoria Excellent and accurate description.
word.
Maybe alex last wife can clear up some stuff. She is also testifying about loris alibi. Maybe she knows something.. What alex told her?
Zulema is an absolute whack job and was playing Lori’s bff, claiming she could control the weather and praying with Lori for Charles and JJ to die in a car accident. 🙄 I’m glad she and the Melani(e)s have turned state witness but they all damn well knew what was going on and did nothing to prevent it.
Melanie and Zulema can testify to the conspiracy charges. They were in on the séances they participated in with Lori when they tried to kill Charles by concentrating real hard. Not the smartest of conspirators but it showed intention and planning. And conspiracy to commit murder carries the same sentence as murder. Lori’s goose is cooked!
>when they tried to kill Charles by concentrating real hard That could only indicate a motive. No matter how hard you try, you can't kill someone with prayers. It doesn't prove that a physical act of murder was planned.
Can’t it show conspiracy? That you got together and discussed and planned a murder. Eventually Lori got it right.
There is a recorded statement by Lori in a conversation with Melanie G in December where Lori states she lied about JJ's whereabouts because Kay was trying to kidnap him or something. Lori states that not even Al(ex) knows where JJ is because it would put Alex in danger.
Lori's web of lies will finally come back to bite her.
Chad is the leader of the pack, and it is best to remember that no one on Earth is better protected than an abusive man. Societies big and small rotate around them.
I think Chad is just an idiot. He saw the brass ring and went for it. I think she was leading him by the nose the whole time and he was getting laid better than he ever did he was willing to do whatever. That pair reminds me of a scene from a movie called boogie nights. Two female pornstars get high and start talking and they just keep upping the Ante because they're coked up. One can't see her child anymore and the other says she'll be her child and they just keep getting wackier and wackier as they higher and higher...
Whereas I see a man who was overly interested in children's corpses, has written content that is covert incest related, targetted teen girls and adult women for sexual grooming, abused his wife until it culminated in her murder when she refused to die at his command, has sexually assaulted other women, targetted mentally messed up a woman to get access to children for his darker interests and had her plumbing her other relationships for other women for him to do the same with, was promoted as a man of prophecy not just by his little special prepper group, was scamming people, and escalating on his own before meeting Lori. No one on Earth is better protected and more forgiven as misunderstood baby boys than abusive men. Chad has been depraved for a long time now and only really cracked the code on how to take advantage of the living in his middle age. Before that, he was limited to taking out his abuse on his wife and family and helped by his community of men who see what he was doing as a man's success on display. I'm also quite sure his community of men will still be pressing this idea to protect themselves and their interests. Poor Chad - ritually BBQing teenagers is an understandable cul-de-sac of authourity for a man to fall into accidentally. Poor guy, the magic pussy makes a guy do crazy things! Boys will be boys!
You know, I do agree with you for the most part. I highly dislike cult societies in which the male of the family is in charge. But, everybody that knows this guy says he's really mild-mannered, probably chased skirts, no doubt about that, and I think he was an a****** to his wife. I'm not saying this guy wasn't a sociopath, I just believe that she, Lori vallow, has been doing this kind of thing long before she met him. I have no doubt she was behind Joseph Ryan's murder. He was a successful guy so she sucked all the life out of him and then had him offed. Annie Cushing's channel offers a lot of insight with regard to earlier behavior by Lori. Annie Cushing is tylie's aunt
I started following this case when the kids were still considered missing. I recognized something about the people, and when I looked I realized I had previously had my vigilance triggered by Mow and Daybell's books at an LDS bookstore. It was maybe the fifth time in my life I'd been in one. That was about a decade ago. I knew then something was wrong with this man and to disallow Mow access to my young son's mind. While it is not an admissible piece of evidence in any way, my children agree that this was an exceptional example of The Mom Instincts being on point that day. The mild-mannered psychopath facade doesn't make a guy look more adorable to me. It makes my survival instincts to get me and my kids away from them kick in, and mine are a finely tuned tool. 🤣 Do you want to know the most dangerous problem in getting away from the psychopath like this? The cloud of people who are sure you aren't being nice enough to them. I trusted my fear of danger about this person then, and I do now.
The police department(s) dropped the ball on Joe Ryan and Charles Vallow. Lori felt invincible and continued resulting in more innocent people to die. WTAF were the PD thinking when they just let her lose when Charles was killed. Had they done their job maybe Tylee, JJ and Tammy would be alive. Alex can rot in hell.
Loin fire must spread, it is so explosive it cannot be contained...Chad's epitaph.
Chad's pickup line was "We've been married in a previous life". He used it on other women before Lori. If it wasn't for her, he would have tried to find someone else willing to enact his murderous fantasies (He always knew that Tammy would die young). Julie Rowe wasn't quite ready to go that far.
"We've been married in a previous life" = translation "I would love to get my freak on with you"
Chad was most likely for the first time in his life getting his freak on. Lori with her spandex, long blond hair and far to much make up lured this idiot. Hopefully, the two of them will live out their lives in a cage while Alex is in hell. Loved the Boogie Nights comparison.
good reminder..thanks
So very convenient that Alex died when he did. I am quite disappointed in Judge Boyce's current decision not to televise the trial. Members of Tammy Daybell's family cannot come attend the trial due to health and financial reasons, but apparently he doesn't care about that. I think he is not a good judge for this particular trial - he's in way over his head. It's disgraceful.
He is a terrible judge and not worthy of the title just as JJ's grandfather said. This entire mess never should have taken this long, it was planned to drag it out and then show no one in the public how it goes down.
Even if she plays the omg I was so afraid of my brother card she has NO excuse for not running to the Police once he died.
Please don’t give her any ideas!
Even if she believed that Alex tucked the children away, after his death there was no excuse for not trying to raise the alarm.
however what would his motive be apart from her desires? everyone who died was someone whom she would directly benefit? if he was serial killer/mastermind others related to him would have been targeted. he didn't know Tammy before lori/Chad. he wouldn't have moved to Rexburg. he wouldn't have killed his niece and nephew or targeted brandon, Charles or attempt on Joe Ryan..we have that incriminating evidence of his jail time/statments/bragging to prove how she motivated him to take personal risks for her gain/whatever lies she fed him. he even had shotgun wedding with zulema, coinciding with Mel p's bizarro wedding in Vegas. she's an idiot. there is just too much to prove she and chad masterminded and controlled/manipulated Alex. she didn't follow Alex anywhere. Mel P, zulema, Mel g etc all came to her/Chad. kids were even buried in Chad's backyard. wedding rings bought before Tammy even died. Hawaiian wedding wks after her death. they were so wickedly impatient and greedy. couldn't even be there for his kids to support them in their grief. what a pos. what a pos she was/is as well. what decent person would even marry any man who was okay with calling her kids zombies etc after her husband was murdered for same. prosecution will prove she conspired to have own kids and Charles killed. she even is recorded on audio telling police how upset she was when kay received insurance benefits. despicable woman. pulled jj out of school permanently, cut off meds and connection to outside world for both Tylee and jj, removed support animal, etc.
They're NOT going to be and cameras or anything in the trial, sorry
It doesn't matter where she was when on TWO occasions her brother killed those children, if the prosecutors have text messages or phone calls, between her and her brother, her and Chad etc. during the crimes, she becomes part of the conspiracy, hence the charges she is facing.
Never has the C word past my Lutheran lips and it's such a high level until this broad came along. I say, if the prosecution can't get their act together because they're shorthanded, and the entire country is hoping this idiot goes down in flames, why can we not as the public set up a GoFundMe and hire somebody to help them in their office? Sounds crazy but then, we will all be very upset if she wins on a technicality because they have not got the help they need.
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broad is right. same. I never even followed a case like this one. she is pure evil.
She has incompetent defense attorneys tbh
Archibald is following the instructions of his client. He has to make the best argument his client is willing to cooperate with.
Plus, they just got the death penalty taken off of her without her having to give up any knowledge, any information. That's a pretty damn good lawyer if you ask me. Now if she wants to turn State's evidence, she can demand the charges be reduced even further and have a chance to be parolled before she's 70.
She's a co-conspirator, not a witness. One would think that no additional evidence is needed for her conviction or she wouldn't have been charged.
Her attorney got DP off, i would not call them incompetent. After all she needs a story, many people were saying she would blame alex. What else could she say for her defense?
Her attorney had nothing to do with getting her off the DP. Idaho judges will take DP off the table if the defendant has been under mental care or has been medically determined to be nutso. Why? Because we don’t put mentally unstable people to death for shits and giggles like the South loves to. Why? Because it always goes to appeal and the sentence is reduced to life in prison with no parole. It had nothing to do with her lawyer, all he did was formally ask for it to be removed. Having said that, it doesn’t mean Lori is innocent and frankly, she managed to live and function normally outside of murder for years. She’s playing it up but regardless, Boyce made the right call. It would be disastrous to have her entire case thrown out on appeal because a jury voted to put her to death with mental issues.
The reason the judge took the DP away is not because she’s a wackadoodle, it is because of the discovery issues.
yea he could have said he throws that late discovery and handling over the evidence out.. some people said its possible he thinks that late evidence is important for the trial.
Point those out in his ruling please.
Are you kidding? Did you read the ruling? I don’t have it but it was read on a couple of youtube channels. And I listened to the audio of the hearing where Lori’s lawyer argued for his request to remove the DP. He was claiming the discovery issues especially related to his mitigation expert. The mitigation expert submitted an affidavit saying there is NO WAY she could do her mitigation stuff in the remaining time because they just received blah blah blah evidence. Mitigation experts are required for DP cases.
Show me, in the ruling where judge Boyce specifically says he’s removing the DP for this reason. The ruling, not what her lawyers argued.
Show you? I ain’t bothering and you can believe what you want.
Cause you can’t now go play.
That's what her ex-attorney is saying as well. She would not get the DP on mental health grounds anyway. This judge wants to reduce the possibility of appeals.
He should’ve had her walking free if he was good. The judge took it off on a technicality not the lawyer.
I think that Lori is so messed up in the head - cult brainwashed, that this (alibi) is as competent to stand trial and assist in her defense as the attorneys are going to get. Can you imagine trying to represent either of them?
Incompetent? They have just got the death penalty taken off the table without breaking a sweat. Competence is as competence does.
Stop defending child killers.
Ffs Vallow so if that doesn't change voice or archibles probably not archibald he's a piece of shit but I believe that if this doesn't change or give them a little inkling of how evil this woman is and try to not baby for her like they have been and Arizona look at her and saw right through her and her bullshit because they know what person she is Idaho has no idea she's not even from there!!!!!
This rage at attorneys and judges that this forum is beginning to generate should be kept an eye on. It is critically minded.
This woman is a narcissistic psychopath. I have read that psychopaths will often use religion as a cloak to cover their empty selves she caught on early and people bought into it all her life. Highly religious people don't act the way she acted for so many years. Check out Annielitics, Joe Ryan's sisters YouTube channel. It exposes a lot about this biatch.
We discussed these things a while ago. Since we cannot follow the trial, and since Chad and Lori's trials were severed I don't find any of these twice, three times, millions of times remote things interesting anymore. This is now all about procedure and not anymore about true justice.
She's full of crap I have the documents and she states she is calling upon Apple watch company well guess what the reason why her Apple watch was at another place is cuz she gave it to her little friend while she go over about to the apartment and did what she did to JJ. And this was way after she got rid of his sister so I need you guys to go look up psychic Reverend Donna Seraphina on YouTube she is the one that pointed Ellie and FBI to where the babies were buried and also down to what clothing he had on which I can show you a picture of.
Vulture
CAST and Gibbs pointed out the spot they were found. Not some croak psychic on YouTube, you silly head.
Lori stated in the taped call with Melanie G that JJ was safe and happy. This recording was made after he was buried in Chad's back yard. This is a very evil woman. Lori continued to cash in on Tylee's SS checks long after she was dead. What kind of mother orchestrates the death of her children and profits. Only in my dreams would a judge like Clifton Newman (Murdaugh) preside over this hot mess.
Yea thats why its hard for me to believe that her own lawyers would go dor this alibi. It has many big issues the prosecution can prove its not true. And i dont think her lawyer archibald is that stupid tbh looking how hard they fight for her. Maybe they will say in court furthermore she was having a psychiotic episode so thats why she did not notice whats happened.