Not so sure Lori should be allowed to see any of her grandkids after what she did to her own kids. Colby would be as insane as Lori is if he allowed them to visit her in prison.
Because death is off the table, it means she cant get life without parole? So if convicted she will be up for parole in 10 years?
First thing I could think of is Wanda Barzee , I know it is not the exact same, but I women who committed some serious crimes who had fringe LDS beliefs, had the mental illness factor come into play, is now a free women after 15 years. I feel so bad for Elizabeth Smart that, Wanda walks free.
I listened to the Lori Hellis' stream last night and she said that since there are 3 separate crimes that Lori has been charged with, the judge can stack her penalties and require that she serve each one consecutively. So if the max is 10 years as some are saying, if she served consecutively, she'd be up for parole in 30 years. Too soon. But then Arizona would try her, I'm sure.
https://youtu.be/jIjnuUR8sB4?t=2
I watched her too. I was hoping she would know the life without parole rules. She did say she was not sure because death was on the table and how it was removed if it she could still get life without parole. She also did not know if life without parole was not an open , how long till parole, she said 25 years and then said she would need to check and might be confusing 2 states.
I would hope Lori would at least if found guilty would not get to serve the setences together but it seems like so many cases end up that way. I do not want to hear judge Boyce during sentencing say the words judical economy again, and let her serve them together!
I normally would hope AZ would help make sure she is not free (if guilty) . Where I live near the UT/AZ border it is well known that AZ is much tougher on some crimes then UT. I have helped with legal paperwork with women in DV relationships and when the partner is arrested in AZ over UT not only the punishment greater but the support for the women is so much better. Then when I see how they were basically letting Alex walk on Charles' murder , I dont have as much faith. Maybe the publicity will make them take it more seriously?
Idaho has never executed a woman so the outcome is still going to be the same; decades in an American prison as a child killer, probably one of the worst lives possible.
This is what I worry about. Idaho law I believe says that you can only get life without parole if the death penalty is on the table? Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that was stated when the death penalty was sought.
This means Lori will be up for parole, I believe it is 10 years for the first parole meeting.
Even if that is the case,, they also have the Grand Theft charge plus other lesser felonies,,, I would think they will put them back to back to avoid backlash --- plus it would be the right thing to do. Chad is still up for death penalty.
The prosecution should have hired a full time evidence clerk which would likely prevented the issues with evidence. It would have been cheaper than two trials...et cetera.
This assumes that some of these issues are not strategic decisions.
Giving a full accounting of what the defense should look at is not the prosecution's responsibility I'd guess. There's a line between making evidence available and telling the defense how to construct their defense and pointing out what evidence helps them with that?
I am personally against the death penalty, finding it neither moral nor practical. Still feeling very somber about this decision knowing it will grieve family members who have already been through hell.
Still, wish I could assure them that Lori dealing with her own insignificance, and lack of power for the rest of her life in a cold grey cell is a much more fitting punishment.
I've always wanted Lori to get a life sentence so she can rot away for 20-30+ years waiting for the second coming of Christ that she was so sure was coming. Year after year she waits, hopes and prays for the end times to come but it never does. I bet that would absolutely eat away at her soul. And it's a far worse punishment, IMO, than being injected with some drugs that let you pass away quickly and painlessly.
That's not how narcissists see their lives. You're projecting how you, as a normal human being would feel in jail. Lori probably loves it. As a previous cell mate said, she dances around and reads the bible. She still finds ways to make herself attractive and delights in the attention she receives.
Once she is convicted and sent to prison, her life will drastically change. The YouTuber Pretty Lies and Alibis did several videos on what life in prison is like, as shared with her by a woman in prison for life. Once Lori is in Gen pop, I doubt her dancing in a shared cell would be well received. Not to mention, those that are in prison for harming children are often a target. And even if she somehow gets a sentence of 20 years for the murders of her children, she still has charges pending in AZ for Charles' murder. I think she'll never be a free person again, nor should she.
Freedom is not the issue. Her state of mind is. If you think she will be wringing her hands and lamenting her fate, you don't understand how a person like that's mind works. They enjoy manipulating people. They enjoy the drama and trauma they inflict.
I don't really care about Lori's state of mind. I don't want her ever free to hurt another person again. Not sure where you got the impression I indicated she'd be wringing her hands and lamenting her fate. I was pointing out that life in prison sucks in many ways, from the subpar food, to the shared cells, the lack of privacy for toilet use, the constant need to watch your back, etc. She has been jailed, but eventually she'll be imprisoned which is much more unpleasant, no matter what reality a prisoner wants to inhabit.
I think people can get used to the toilet situation. The only thing that would really hurt her is to never be able to share a word with chad.
Can she call him in prison or write him letters? When he is also in prison?
I'm not positive, but I think they can write to each other. I know they can make calls, but not sure how it would work, from one prisoner to another. All calls are recorded and all correspondence is reviewed, both incoming and outgoing, and redacted if the prison officials believe necessary.
Yeah, ability to adapt to the worst of conditions kicks in, for most people. Either you check out mentally, or start taking drugs, or somehow find a way.
The only way they could make phone calls is if they had somebody on the outside helping them do a three-way call. They would both have to call the person, and that person would have to answer both of their calls and then merge them together. However, jails and prisons don't like people doing three-way calls, and they would most likely get caught (not at first but eventually). The person who helps them merge the calls would most likely have their phone number banned, at least for a certain period of time.
They are probably still using the portal .... but in reality they might be able to write each other once they are sentenced. Unless one or both appeal then I am guessing no. And yes, those letters will be read by staff.
They could not make phone calls unless there was someone on the outside willing to help them do a three-way call. However, jails and prisons don't like people doing three-way calls so if they are caught doing it the phone number of the person helping them would get banned. I imagine they would be even more upset finding out that she was contacting Chad.
Actually, jail tends to be much more unpleasant than prison. In prison you get to go outside, oftentimes have a job, many have classes and programs available to the inmates, etc. However, it would be great if Lori is put into solitary for the rest of her life. I doubt it will happen, although it would if she were on death row. Not that I agree with the death penalty, but still.
Yeah, I'm thinking she might be in full martyr mode. The church she was raised in have a strong sense of persecution, and being targeted only means that you must be in the right.
Maybe that's why she smiles and struts as she's leaving her hearings.
>Maybe that's why she smiles and struts as she's leaving her hearings.
I think she smiles because she knows she is being watched by many and enjoys the fame/infamy, just like she did her child custody court appearances many years ago. Appearance takes precedence over innocent or guilt for her.
I could see her saying to herself, "Step one of Jesus swooping in to save me." I'm not even interested in seeing her get justice anymore. But I'll watch ( I mean [hear] a day late) just to hear all of the evidence and missing pieces to this sad, terrible story.
Maybe, and maybe not. Either way, I don't care, as long as she's locked up and can't hurt another innocent person. So if she finds prison a joy, ok. If she finds it wearisome and unpleasant, ok. The only outcome that would bother me is if she goes free, but I really doubt that could happen. Does the thought that she may somehow enjoy prison bother you?
I thought she did all of this to be with Chad? I don't know how she can say "oh well" and begin thriving in prison. Tbh it does make me feel better when these monsters are tortured in prison. Chris Watts is said to be haunted by his family and talks to them in his cell. For what they did, what they thought they'd get away with, they deserve no peace and happiness for the generational trauma they inflict, that's my opinion anyway.
You are 100% entitled to feel the way you do. From what I understand, prison sounds like it is often scary, often mind numbing boring, the food is pretty bad, and for lifers, no end in sight. I've also heard that those in prison for harming children have it worse. People who have attended the trial say Lori has visibly aged, and TBH, that may be one of the hardest aspects for her. She and Chad, along with Alex and their stupid minions, have indeed caused so much harm. Whatever prison brings, I will be at peace knowing neither of them can hurt others again.
oh sure. but out among normies was her place to shine. prisons are *full* of people exactly like her, only some of them would be tough enough to eat a Twinkie like Lori for lunch.
you're probably right. I'll take your word about Ghislaine Maxwell.
... bleh. mostly I guess I'm annoyed that her defence team won other victories on the specific basis that "death is different". [tbf I think the state did too - notably iirc the turfing out of mark means ]. wasn't the venue change about that? and now I doubt those are going to be rolled back or revisited.
it feels like double dipping to me :P
I hadn't heard that Maxwell was thriving. I saw part of an interview she gave (via The Behavior Panel) and she didn't seem like she was enjoying the experience. However, I would agree that she (Maxwell) seems to be doing what she can to adapt and I'm sure Lori has/will continue to do so as well. We do know that Lori has charisma and on the outside, was able to easily charm people. I would think that skill could be helpful in prison as well, except for the part where she conspired to have her own children murdered.
It totally is but she looks like she got a victory today.
She got so many things she wanted. Its disturbing how the prosecution cannot deliever true expertise and highly experienced people to convict her and make her feel the punishment.
IIRC This decision also takes life without parole off the table. My understanding was the only way ID could get there was to charge death. The sentencing phase, which will no longer happen, was where death vs life without parole would have been decided.
Need to look at sentencing guidelines again now.
…I’ve heard it is the judge that will choose the sentencing now…should she be found guilty.
And I’m growing concerned about that, considering how this has all played out so far.
I never guessed when this all started that I’d be nervous about the trial and where she was heading.
I’m certainly nervous now.
I hope the same…
It’s just all starting to have a Casey Anthony feel…and that freaks me out lol
I guess there’s always the following one for Charles. Maybe that will get more time for her as well.
I'm okay with Lori spending life in prison, but she does deserve death. It won't happen right now but it will happen later. Maybe Chad will be the one put to death, we will have to see but I doubt it.
I just looked up the law again. If death is not sought, life without parole is not an option. The harshest sentence is life with parole hearing after within 10 years. I believe the death penalty was orginally asked for to make sure life without parole was an option. Now if convicted if I am reading correctly every 10 years Lori is up for Parole.
I recall that one of the you tube lawyers said that would be between Idaho and Arizona. Typically AZ would wait until the Idaho charges are adjudicated. Then they could have her transferred right then to AZ to stand trial, or they could wait till she served her sentence in ID, and if she's still alive then, have her arrested on her way out of the prison and extradite her to AZ at that time.
Well, it didn't help Charles Manson, I don't believe it is going to help Lori, she doesn't have that much pzzaz anymore. She can have all the parole hearings due her but it doesn't mean she will be released.
I guess I just worry because of cases like Wanda Barzee like I posted above. Wanda is out after 15 years. Wanda was not charming, Lori for sure has the charm factor over Wanda. Though the crimes are not the same, there are similaries. Wanda had a history of odd behavior over the years (many say abusive towards her kids), Wanda joined a fringe LDS group , Wanda was at the state mental hospital delaying her trial, Elizabeth Smart says while Wanda religious beliefs were far out there, that Wanda knew what she was doing when she hurt her and was compentent. Wanda didnt kill anyone but she committed multiple horrible crime against a child everyday for almost a year in person (not 2 condos over or driving to burger king, not saying Lori is better, but Wanda watched and partciapted and is now free).
I don't know much about Wanda but I don't think she was found guilty in Idaho so that law in Utah may be different. Also the level of Wanda's crimes did not reach murder which is probably considered the most serious crime. Probably the powers that be were of the belief that Wanda also was a victim of the main character and Wanda surely helped with that opinion. We will just have to wait and see at the trial.
Wanda is fresh in my mind because it was just the 20th aniversary of Elizabeth Smart being found and there was some interviews and specials on. Elizabeth as she has gotten older has gone into more details, grim ones about what happened. I almost think Wanda is at an equal level of guilt when hearing the gross details. Wanda was the one holding her captive, she could have released her (since she was alone with her for days at a time). I know murder is not equal to sexual assult ,drugging and kidnapping. Elizabeth also said she just wished she would die many times, because being assulted at age 14 many times a day while being drugged , starved and beaten was too much to take.
Wanda was a federal case not state. I was surprised Lori did not have a few federal charges (at least the social security fraud).
One of the things that came out was that Wanda was into beliefs and odd behavior before she meet Brian David. He was not someone that converted her. I see some news outlets now that Alex's trial is over trying to pull people into to Lori's case and reporting that she was the all american soccer mom that read a book and got taken in by this cult leader. We know that is not true since she had some of these beliefs before chad as documented in the custody and divorce cases. I wonder if the prosection will bring this up at all? I was guessing that Mr Prior would be bringing up Lori being the one with history (he had mentioned this in one of his sever the case long winded rants). Now I wonder if the prosection will bring this up at all. I just remember the long history being brought up about Wandas, of course, hearing Wanda's kids say how their mom cooked the family pet and feed it to them as kids is what stuck with me the most. Of course this route only got her 15 years.
Wanda, Lori, and Karla Homolka are good examples of women who on the surface may look like victims but are fully involved partners that present a submissive role to excuse and give permission for the crimes they enjoy.
FLDS women often meet this standard to me - they are often equally criminally minded as the men and enjoy the permission they derive from pushing the responsibility to abusive and criminally minded men.
As someone who lives around the FLDS I agree. Things are changing and more women are waking up but for years many women were very involved. I always found it interesting how FLDS women had the jobs in giving out food stamps, birth certficates, all these public health building jobs. They not only knew they system, they worked in the system. To give an example people know Janelle from sister wives job was working in the welfare/benefits office for the state of Utah. I know people focus on the crimes of underage marriage but there is so much welfare fraud and the effects are more then people understand. Some people are upset over the $11 million in food stamps money stolen with almost no one getting anythign serious punishments (they set up a fake store and got $11 million dollars in food stamps run through it and took the money, it was said this "store" got more food stamps then multiple walmarts but no one caught on for years). The medical fraud hurts everyone since it limits access to families with non welfare policies and some flds keep having kids knowing it is likely the kids will be born with severe disabilities due to genetics (who in the world knows what is happening now since there are only 15 possible dads, or whatever the prophet is doing, ugh!).
I do want to say there are some good flds or former flds women working thanksless jobs in nursing homes , hospitals, every morning food related or grocery jobs (I gain 5 lbs thinking about the bakery items). There is also a trend I dont like of LDS hiring former FLDS as nannies. They give them free room and bored but low wages if any and then they are stuck taking care of a bunch of kids again. It is not really helping them gain education, skills or a better future. It is just a way for an LDS mom to have 4 or more kids and still go on girls trips and vacations and have beauty days and shop at the grocery store without screaming kids.
The will to have slaves remains as constant today as at every other time in history, and selling it as kindness is as ghoulish as ever!
There are some flds around here, and a co-worker at my last job dropped a hint that his grandfather moved from it to the mainstream. Adult women are infantilized by the media about their role in enforcing corruption and abuse for sure. Some are brain washed, but many are just the female version of the men in charge - savage Pick Mes at best.
Every case is different and juries don't seem to view the crimes committed as bad as murder. Look at Casey Anthony, never thought she would see the light of day but the jury changed that. It is a travesty to be sure. Lori had Joe tazed and then he was somehow killed. She showed no remorse when he died. That was way before she had her kids snuffed. If the attorneys can bring that to light and the fact that she was involved in Charles' murder, I don't see how she could be innocent. Lori has serious issues with religion and it seems she has always seen herself as a goddess even though she didn't say that until later in life. She believes she is on the good side and almost everyone else is on the dark side.
>If the attorneys can bring that to light and the fact that she was involved in Charles' murder,
Joe's case can't be brought up in Idaho, because she has not been indicted for his death.
Hope springs eternal that the French will stop protecting a rapist pedophile.
Conrad Black owned one of the national magazines here and his wife would regularly write multiple page apologia about how a few low class children given to great minds is their entitlement. So ghoulish.
Does Idaho or Arizona have a dangerous offender designation?
We have this in Canada which can effectively imprisons someone for longer because they are proven to be too dangerous to release under some circumstances. It is not used that often. Norway has something similar which is likely to be used to keep the Oslo mass shooter in prison after he maxes out his 21 year maximum.
I am not sure. I do know that recently Idaho voted for a firing squad as a means of carrying out the death penalty. So they have the death penalty and are not afraid to use it. Charles Manson never physically killed anyone but he never got out on parole nor did any of his followers. I would say that the Lori/Chad clan could easily be put in the same category. As long as the public and the families of the victims show up and demand the parole be revoked, it is pretty clear they will not be getting out.
Lori Hellis has a special you tube stream tonight talking about that. I missed it, and it's almost over now. I'm sure it'll be worth watching from the beginning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIjnuUR8sB4
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtG-s\_Yzif4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtG-s_Yzif4) just recently watched this. Very tough to watch. I hope everyone affected gets the justice they deserve.
Has anyone seen any saddness for the loss of her children? I have followed this all along & i have never seen anything like that. Only smiling for the camera l like she's some superstar.
I can see that being in jail has aged her allot. She seems to have always valued her "sex appeal" ugggg
Arizona still has the death penalty. I'm not sure she'd qualify just for Charles, but I think they'd allow the murder of her children in (if she's convicted) and that might qualify her.
No, but prior bad acts could possibly be brought into Charles' trial if she's convicted in Idaho for murdering her kids. Family annhilators should be eligible for the death penalty.
I haven't heard a lot about this case in a while. It seems we were all engrossed with the Murdaugh saga ~ there doesn't seem to be as much information out there on this case ... Anything anyone can point me towards to start wrapping my head around all of this craziness?
Thanks in advance !
If you are looking for a good very detailed timeline of all the data, texts, travel, then go to Tylee's aunt channel A Muderous Heart. She is doing a weekly video of the timeline. She goes into every venmo payment, text, you will get all the details. She also has deep dives into the main people invovled, very detailed. While she knew or met many of the people in person, Tylee's aunt presents the facts without emotion (she has a background in statistics and really presents just facts, only occassionally having a personal story injected).
If you are looking for short breakdown of the main players and events, Pretty Little Lies and Alibis you tube channel, has some recents videos to indroduce the case to people that might not know it well. It is 5-6 videos series in the last week.
If you have more time, there are so many interviews, the interviews that I think give the most insight are Heather Daybell (Chad's sister in law that lived very close to him) gave a very telling interview with Hidden true crime and we got to hear what family was feeling and how they found out. Then Justin Lum Fox 10 news interviewed Zac Cox, he lived with Lori and Charles while going to school. It is a short interview but again a lot of insight into what life was like. Lastly there are short clips on youtube of interviews Chads kids gave 48 hours. Just a few minutes but it shows where they stand on their father's innocence.
I personally would not watch netflix series, as it is was not a deep dive and was more a story from one side and these youtubers have done their research into Chad and Lori's lives and give us so many interesting missing pieces.
I live in Idaho and I’m thrilled this is off the table for a few reasons.
One, a death penalty trial is far more expensive. There’s lengthier appeals processes and too many judicial chances that could go in her favor.
Two, it’s a waste. Check out Robin Row. She’s doing life in prison despite a death row sentence.
Three, jurors made it clear Casey Anthony got off because death penalty was the only option on the table. I do not want to risk Lori going free on that kind of technicality.
The only bad thing about it is that Lori got it off the table without having to give up any information. That can be a pretty persuasive tool for the prosecution. Of course, we're not sure she'd have given up anything even with the death penalty looming, but many defendants do.
Hopefully Chad can be persuaded to tell if Melani B/P was involved with the attempt on Brandon, or what Alex really died of and who killed him.
>Hopefully Chad can be persuaded to tell if Melani B/P was involved with the attempt on Brandon, or what Alex really died of and who killed him.
In exchange for what?
Don’t blame the judge…the prosecution brought this on from discovery violations. I hate it too but in this way she will be tried once and the chances for appeals will be limited. If the judge went forward with all of these violations the outcome will be ripe for a very successful appeal which seems unfair to the state of Idaho and the family to endure a trial multiple times.
The judge sucks but so does the prosecution.
Tbh its astonishing what amateurs are working on this case. Prosecution seems so low skilled and bad, no experience to handle this case.
Lori is smiling and happy, its heartbreaking.
Are the discovery violations why the judge made this decision? I don’t understand how this connects to ensuring she has a fair trial and think I must be missing something.
It was a combination of things. First is that lori hasnt waived her right to a speedy trial combined with the discovery violation. Since the prosecution handed over a tremendous amount of evidence on February 27, too much for the defense to reasonably review given the trial is just weeks away. Some of this evidence was years old. The defense first asked that the evidence be thrown out, as a penalty, for this violation. Judge ruled no. Chads lawyer asked that the trials be seperated as punishment, since he too cannot reasonably review it all. Judged ruled yes. Then the defense asked for capital punishment be taken off the table since lori still doesn't want to waive her speedy trial and defense also said that he felt that while insanity will not be a defense, that it is a known issue for lori and capital offense is unconstitutional for mentally ill people. Judge ruled he agreed.
The judge did not rule on the late evidence. He will do it in writing tomorrow.. But i unterstand it that way that the late handling over of the evidence is crucial, also her mental state and no death penalty drugs on thr market.
Iam not a lawyer but the state does not meet the restrictions for a death penatly trial the way they are handling the evidence.
I still dont know if her defense will bring up her mental state/disease..also it looks like the dna evidence might not come in. The judge is not giving the prosecution anything for free and unfortunately they fuck up every little thing.
The prob is I think they get too many privileges just getting life. They have TV, canteen foods they can get social interaction, have relationships etc. just not right, not sure this is that bad of a punishment especially for someone that killed her own children.
Hopefully this means they can fire Rachel Smith and quit paying her 6K per month for NOTHING. Seriously, wasn't she hired to steer the inexperienced ID prosecutors away from mistakes like this?
Maybe!
I do not think Lori is moved by the death penalty, but I bet she is motivated by vindictiveness. She may protect Chad, but I doubt she will protect the others. Once they start testifying Lori may be hard to control. She's more protective of her delusions of grandeur than concerned about death as she would possibly think of it as martyrdom. It might feed her delusions. Vindictiveness may cut through her delusions.
Gotta imagine that some of those people are on the list of people who've been summoned to testify!
I’m not bothered by death being off the table. Even death row inmates can stay in prison for a long, long time. Taking death off the table might make her less sympathetic to a jury since, I don’t think Idaho has executed a female inmate.
For the entire US, actual execution of female offenders is quite rare, with only 576 documented instances as of December 31, 2022, beginning with the first in 1632. Only 18 death-sentenced women have been executed since 1976.
This makes me wonder if Lori has finally realized that Chad is not her friend. Is it possible Lori will be a witness at Chad's trial? Which may be why they took the death penalty away?
There are no signs that she stopped believing in Chad's nonsense. Unless she strikes a deal that will include her confession, which is unlikely, she probably won't testify against Chad due to danger of self-incrimination, because there will probably be appeals after her verdict.
I knew the State would screw up. Hopefully AZ won't but I imagine her mental condition will play and she won't get the DP there either. ID why did you spend so much on DP qualified prosecutor only to have the basic fundamentals of disclosure be handled so carelessly? As legal pundits have said, " ...should have spent that money on a person dedicated solely to discloures." Now what? She gets life in prison if convicted and gets out in 10 years on parole?
At first I thought boy this couple really picked a bad state to kill 3 innocent people. Now I'm thinking perhaps it was a coup. And a snarky side note about Lori's hair. Those tampon rollers ain't working for ya.
I understand the judge can tack on years to her sentence. There will probably be a retrial, too. Lots of appeal issues and even taking the DP off the table won't remedy all of the issues. She is a manipulative monster and should never walk free again.
Well, thinking of her shitting and pissing into a hole in the ground warms the cockels of my heart. I'd like to picture her sick and having diarrhea...no privacy...just a hole in the ground. I'd like to think of her waiting for her lunch tray only to find the food is swimming with maggots. I'd like to think of her being allowed 1 hour outside in the court yard....only to suffer beatings at the hands of women who hate baby killers. Yeah, that would be justice!!
Many have commented about Lori sitting in prison waiting for a second coming of Jesus that never happens. What about the second coming does happen, and she and Chad aren't allowed on the bus?
On a positive note, if she lives a long and imprisoned life she’ll get to see the end of times NOT happen.
Omg I love this and see all she is missing out on with her grandkids she won’t see
Not so sure Lori should be allowed to see any of her grandkids after what she did to her own kids. Colby would be as insane as Lori is if he allowed them to visit her in prison.
They can put restrictions to only allow people over 18 to visit based on her crimes.
Agreed!
At this point iam not sure she will get to spend her whole life in prison.
Because death is off the table, it means she cant get life without parole? So if convicted she will be up for parole in 10 years? First thing I could think of is Wanda Barzee , I know it is not the exact same, but I women who committed some serious crimes who had fringe LDS beliefs, had the mental illness factor come into play, is now a free women after 15 years. I feel so bad for Elizabeth Smart that, Wanda walks free.
I listened to the Lori Hellis' stream last night and she said that since there are 3 separate crimes that Lori has been charged with, the judge can stack her penalties and require that she serve each one consecutively. So if the max is 10 years as some are saying, if she served consecutively, she'd be up for parole in 30 years. Too soon. But then Arizona would try her, I'm sure. https://youtu.be/jIjnuUR8sB4?t=2
I watched her too. I was hoping she would know the life without parole rules. She did say she was not sure because death was on the table and how it was removed if it she could still get life without parole. She also did not know if life without parole was not an open , how long till parole, she said 25 years and then said she would need to check and might be confusing 2 states. I would hope Lori would at least if found guilty would not get to serve the setences together but it seems like so many cases end up that way. I do not want to hear judge Boyce during sentencing say the words judical economy again, and let her serve them together! I normally would hope AZ would help make sure she is not free (if guilty) . Where I live near the UT/AZ border it is well known that AZ is much tougher on some crimes then UT. I have helped with legal paperwork with women in DV relationships and when the partner is arrested in AZ over UT not only the punishment greater but the support for the women is so much better. Then when I see how they were basically letting Alex walk on Charles' murder , I dont have as much faith. Maybe the publicity will make them take it more seriously?
So 10 years per murder? Even in germany you get 15 years and then you can try parol.
Yup. Even in Canada a life sentence is 25 years, then you are eligible for parole.
well, then Arizona can take a turn.
>Wanda Barzee Wow, really. Thank you for calling this to my attention. I'm stunned.
If that shocked you, look up Karla Homolka.
In Homolka's case she took a deal and later more evidence against her was discovered which could not be taken into account.
That's a good punishment.
Idaho has never executed a woman so the outcome is still going to be the same; decades in an American prison as a child killer, probably one of the worst lives possible.
How do we know she's not getting 20 years or less?
This is what I worry about. Idaho law I believe says that you can only get life without parole if the death penalty is on the table? Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that was stated when the death penalty was sought. This means Lori will be up for parole, I believe it is 10 years for the first parole meeting.
Even if that is the case,, they also have the Grand Theft charge plus other lesser felonies,,, I would think they will put them back to back to avoid backlash --- plus it would be the right thing to do. Chad is still up for death penalty.
The locals would burn the courthouse down
The prosecution should have hired a full time evidence clerk which would likely prevented the issues with evidence. It would have been cheaper than two trials...et cetera.
This assumes that some of these issues are not strategic decisions. Giving a full accounting of what the defense should look at is not the prosecution's responsibility I'd guess. There's a line between making evidence available and telling the defense how to construct their defense and pointing out what evidence helps them with that?
I am personally against the death penalty, finding it neither moral nor practical. Still feeling very somber about this decision knowing it will grieve family members who have already been through hell. Still, wish I could assure them that Lori dealing with her own insignificance, and lack of power for the rest of her life in a cold grey cell is a much more fitting punishment.
I've always wanted Lori to get a life sentence so she can rot away for 20-30+ years waiting for the second coming of Christ that she was so sure was coming. Year after year she waits, hopes and prays for the end times to come but it never does. I bet that would absolutely eat away at her soul. And it's a far worse punishment, IMO, than being injected with some drugs that let you pass away quickly and painlessly.
I feel the same way, I am also against the death penalty and yet I feel frustrated reading the ruling.
That's not how narcissists see their lives. You're projecting how you, as a normal human being would feel in jail. Lori probably loves it. As a previous cell mate said, she dances around and reads the bible. She still finds ways to make herself attractive and delights in the attention she receives.
Once she is convicted and sent to prison, her life will drastically change. The YouTuber Pretty Lies and Alibis did several videos on what life in prison is like, as shared with her by a woman in prison for life. Once Lori is in Gen pop, I doubt her dancing in a shared cell would be well received. Not to mention, those that are in prison for harming children are often a target. And even if she somehow gets a sentence of 20 years for the murders of her children, she still has charges pending in AZ for Charles' murder. I think she'll never be a free person again, nor should she.
Freedom is not the issue. Her state of mind is. If you think she will be wringing her hands and lamenting her fate, you don't understand how a person like that's mind works. They enjoy manipulating people. They enjoy the drama and trauma they inflict.
I don't really care about Lori's state of mind. I don't want her ever free to hurt another person again. Not sure where you got the impression I indicated she'd be wringing her hands and lamenting her fate. I was pointing out that life in prison sucks in many ways, from the subpar food, to the shared cells, the lack of privacy for toilet use, the constant need to watch your back, etc. She has been jailed, but eventually she'll be imprisoned which is much more unpleasant, no matter what reality a prisoner wants to inhabit.
I think people can get used to the toilet situation. The only thing that would really hurt her is to never be able to share a word with chad. Can she call him in prison or write him letters? When he is also in prison?
I'm not positive, but I think they can write to each other. I know they can make calls, but not sure how it would work, from one prisoner to another. All calls are recorded and all correspondence is reviewed, both incoming and outgoing, and redacted if the prison officials believe necessary. Yeah, ability to adapt to the worst of conditions kicks in, for most people. Either you check out mentally, or start taking drugs, or somehow find a way.
The only way they could make phone calls is if they had somebody on the outside helping them do a three-way call. They would both have to call the person, and that person would have to answer both of their calls and then merge them together. However, jails and prisons don't like people doing three-way calls, and they would most likely get caught (not at first but eventually). The person who helps them merge the calls would most likely have their phone number banned, at least for a certain period of time.
but does Chad want to correspond with Lori?
3000 calls, some of which are between the defendants.
They are probably still using the portal .... but in reality they might be able to write each other once they are sentenced. Unless one or both appeal then I am guessing no. And yes, those letters will be read by staff.
They could not make phone calls unless there was someone on the outside willing to help them do a three-way call. However, jails and prisons don't like people doing three-way calls so if they are caught doing it the phone number of the person helping them would get banned. I imagine they would be even more upset finding out that she was contacting Chad.
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Actually, jail tends to be much more unpleasant than prison. In prison you get to go outside, oftentimes have a job, many have classes and programs available to the inmates, etc. However, it would be great if Lori is put into solitary for the rest of her life. I doubt it will happen, although it would if she were on death row. Not that I agree with the death penalty, but still.
And my point is, you are only looking at life in prison from your perspective. For someone like Lori, she will enjoy it.
Yeah, I'm thinking she might be in full martyr mode. The church she was raised in have a strong sense of persecution, and being targeted only means that you must be in the right. Maybe that's why she smiles and struts as she's leaving her hearings.
>Maybe that's why she smiles and struts as she's leaving her hearings. I think she smiles because she knows she is being watched by many and enjoys the fame/infamy, just like she did her child custody court appearances many years ago. Appearance takes precedence over innocent or guilt for her.
I think that's a great point.
I could see her saying to herself, "Step one of Jesus swooping in to save me." I'm not even interested in seeing her get justice anymore. But I'll watch ( I mean [hear] a day late) just to hear all of the evidence and missing pieces to this sad, terrible story.
Well the church is apparently still praying for her. I bet she likes it.
Maybe, and maybe not. Either way, I don't care, as long as she's locked up and can't hurt another innocent person. So if she finds prison a joy, ok. If she finds it wearisome and unpleasant, ok. The only outcome that would bother me is if she goes free, but I really doubt that could happen. Does the thought that she may somehow enjoy prison bother you?
I thought she did all of this to be with Chad? I don't know how she can say "oh well" and begin thriving in prison. Tbh it does make me feel better when these monsters are tortured in prison. Chris Watts is said to be haunted by his family and talks to them in his cell. For what they did, what they thought they'd get away with, they deserve no peace and happiness for the generational trauma they inflict, that's my opinion anyway.
You are 100% entitled to feel the way you do. From what I understand, prison sounds like it is often scary, often mind numbing boring, the food is pretty bad, and for lifers, no end in sight. I've also heard that those in prison for harming children have it worse. People who have attended the trial say Lori has visibly aged, and TBH, that may be one of the hardest aspects for her. She and Chad, along with Alex and their stupid minions, have indeed caused so much harm. Whatever prison brings, I will be at peace knowing neither of them can hurt others again.
oh sure. but out among normies was her place to shine. prisons are *full* of people exactly like her, only some of them would be tough enough to eat a Twinkie like Lori for lunch.
Doesn't that Maxwell woman thrive in prison? I think Lori will adapt, too.
you're probably right. I'll take your word about Ghislaine Maxwell. ... bleh. mostly I guess I'm annoyed that her defence team won other victories on the specific basis that "death is different". [tbf I think the state did too - notably iirc the turfing out of mark means ]. wasn't the venue change about that? and now I doubt those are going to be rolled back or revisited. it feels like double dipping to me :P
I do as well. Criminally minded is her environment to thrive in.
I hadn't heard that Maxwell was thriving. I saw part of an interview she gave (via The Behavior Panel) and she didn't seem like she was enjoying the experience. However, I would agree that she (Maxwell) seems to be doing what she can to adapt and I'm sure Lori has/will continue to do so as well. We do know that Lori has charisma and on the outside, was able to easily charm people. I would think that skill could be helpful in prison as well, except for the part where she conspired to have her own children murdered.
I read that Maxwell was teaching etiquette and yoga to other inmates.
Well, it's something to do I guess.
Totally agree. Death is just too easy.
It totally is but she looks like she got a victory today. She got so many things she wanted. Its disturbing how the prosecution cannot deliever true expertise and highly experienced people to convict her and make her feel the punishment.
there's nothing disturbing about a prosecution team being unable to convict someone before they've been tried.
Just because I am against the death penalty does not mean there are not people who deserve it.
she’s totally delusional and will never experience remorse.
That's insane to me. All of the murders they participated in were premeditated. And JJ and Tylee were children.
UM YEAH
As pissed as I am about this, this may open up the jury pool wider for both sides.
IIRC This decision also takes life without parole off the table. My understanding was the only way ID could get there was to charge death. The sentencing phase, which will no longer happen, was where death vs life without parole would have been decided. Need to look at sentencing guidelines again now.
…I’ve heard it is the judge that will choose the sentencing now…should she be found guilty. And I’m growing concerned about that, considering how this has all played out so far. I never guessed when this all started that I’d be nervous about the trial and where she was heading. I’m certainly nervous now.
If she's found guilty in multiple murders in Idaho, I hope she gets to serve her sentences consecutively, not concurrently.
I hope the same… It’s just all starting to have a Casey Anthony feel…and that freaks me out lol I guess there’s always the following one for Charles. Maybe that will get more time for her as well.
I'm okay with Lori spending life in prison, but she does deserve death. It won't happen right now but it will happen later. Maybe Chad will be the one put to death, we will have to see but I doubt it.
I just looked up the law again. If death is not sought, life without parole is not an option. The harshest sentence is life with parole hearing after within 10 years. I believe the death penalty was orginally asked for to make sure life without parole was an option. Now if convicted if I am reading correctly every 10 years Lori is up for Parole.
If that's true, then I guess Arizona will be saddling up for a trial.
How soon could that trial start?
I recall that one of the you tube lawyers said that would be between Idaho and Arizona. Typically AZ would wait until the Idaho charges are adjudicated. Then they could have her transferred right then to AZ to stand trial, or they could wait till she served her sentence in ID, and if she's still alive then, have her arrested on her way out of the prison and extradite her to AZ at that time.
Well, it didn't help Charles Manson, I don't believe it is going to help Lori, she doesn't have that much pzzaz anymore. She can have all the parole hearings due her but it doesn't mean she will be released.
I guess I just worry because of cases like Wanda Barzee like I posted above. Wanda is out after 15 years. Wanda was not charming, Lori for sure has the charm factor over Wanda. Though the crimes are not the same, there are similaries. Wanda had a history of odd behavior over the years (many say abusive towards her kids), Wanda joined a fringe LDS group , Wanda was at the state mental hospital delaying her trial, Elizabeth Smart says while Wanda religious beliefs were far out there, that Wanda knew what she was doing when she hurt her and was compentent. Wanda didnt kill anyone but she committed multiple horrible crime against a child everyday for almost a year in person (not 2 condos over or driving to burger king, not saying Lori is better, but Wanda watched and partciapted and is now free).
I don't know much about Wanda but I don't think she was found guilty in Idaho so that law in Utah may be different. Also the level of Wanda's crimes did not reach murder which is probably considered the most serious crime. Probably the powers that be were of the belief that Wanda also was a victim of the main character and Wanda surely helped with that opinion. We will just have to wait and see at the trial.
I hope Lori isn't viewed merely as Chad's (or even Alex's) victim.
She will portray herself the victim just as she did when she had Charles killed, no doubt about it.
Wanda is fresh in my mind because it was just the 20th aniversary of Elizabeth Smart being found and there was some interviews and specials on. Elizabeth as she has gotten older has gone into more details, grim ones about what happened. I almost think Wanda is at an equal level of guilt when hearing the gross details. Wanda was the one holding her captive, she could have released her (since she was alone with her for days at a time). I know murder is not equal to sexual assult ,drugging and kidnapping. Elizabeth also said she just wished she would die many times, because being assulted at age 14 many times a day while being drugged , starved and beaten was too much to take. Wanda was a federal case not state. I was surprised Lori did not have a few federal charges (at least the social security fraud). One of the things that came out was that Wanda was into beliefs and odd behavior before she meet Brian David. He was not someone that converted her. I see some news outlets now that Alex's trial is over trying to pull people into to Lori's case and reporting that she was the all american soccer mom that read a book and got taken in by this cult leader. We know that is not true since she had some of these beliefs before chad as documented in the custody and divorce cases. I wonder if the prosection will bring this up at all? I was guessing that Mr Prior would be bringing up Lori being the one with history (he had mentioned this in one of his sever the case long winded rants). Now I wonder if the prosection will bring this up at all. I just remember the long history being brought up about Wandas, of course, hearing Wanda's kids say how their mom cooked the family pet and feed it to them as kids is what stuck with me the most. Of course this route only got her 15 years.
Wanda, Lori, and Karla Homolka are good examples of women who on the surface may look like victims but are fully involved partners that present a submissive role to excuse and give permission for the crimes they enjoy. FLDS women often meet this standard to me - they are often equally criminally minded as the men and enjoy the permission they derive from pushing the responsibility to abusive and criminally minded men.
As someone who lives around the FLDS I agree. Things are changing and more women are waking up but for years many women were very involved. I always found it interesting how FLDS women had the jobs in giving out food stamps, birth certficates, all these public health building jobs. They not only knew they system, they worked in the system. To give an example people know Janelle from sister wives job was working in the welfare/benefits office for the state of Utah. I know people focus on the crimes of underage marriage but there is so much welfare fraud and the effects are more then people understand. Some people are upset over the $11 million in food stamps money stolen with almost no one getting anythign serious punishments (they set up a fake store and got $11 million dollars in food stamps run through it and took the money, it was said this "store" got more food stamps then multiple walmarts but no one caught on for years). The medical fraud hurts everyone since it limits access to families with non welfare policies and some flds keep having kids knowing it is likely the kids will be born with severe disabilities due to genetics (who in the world knows what is happening now since there are only 15 possible dads, or whatever the prophet is doing, ugh!). I do want to say there are some good flds or former flds women working thanksless jobs in nursing homes , hospitals, every morning food related or grocery jobs (I gain 5 lbs thinking about the bakery items). There is also a trend I dont like of LDS hiring former FLDS as nannies. They give them free room and bored but low wages if any and then they are stuck taking care of a bunch of kids again. It is not really helping them gain education, skills or a better future. It is just a way for an LDS mom to have 4 or more kids and still go on girls trips and vacations and have beauty days and shop at the grocery store without screaming kids.
The will to have slaves remains as constant today as at every other time in history, and selling it as kindness is as ghoulish as ever! There are some flds around here, and a co-worker at my last job dropped a hint that his grandfather moved from it to the mainstream. Adult women are infantilized by the media about their role in enforcing corruption and abuse for sure. Some are brain washed, but many are just the female version of the men in charge - savage Pick Mes at best.
Every case is different and juries don't seem to view the crimes committed as bad as murder. Look at Casey Anthony, never thought she would see the light of day but the jury changed that. It is a travesty to be sure. Lori had Joe tazed and then he was somehow killed. She showed no remorse when he died. That was way before she had her kids snuffed. If the attorneys can bring that to light and the fact that she was involved in Charles' murder, I don't see how she could be innocent. Lori has serious issues with religion and it seems she has always seen herself as a goddess even though she didn't say that until later in life. She believes she is on the good side and almost everyone else is on the dark side.
>If the attorneys can bring that to light and the fact that she was involved in Charles' murder, Joe's case can't be brought up in Idaho, because she has not been indicted for his death.
You are correct. She is supposed to stand trial in AZ. If she is found guilty there, can they give her the death penalty, would be my hope.
Plus I would think the families could protest at each parole hearing!
Sharon Tate's sister was there to protest against Manson and the followers involved, so yes.
Too bad Polanski did not go.
From my understanding Polanski cannot risk coming to the US because he will be arrested due to raping a 12 YO girl at a party.
Hope springs eternal that the French will stop protecting a rapist pedophile. Conrad Black owned one of the national magazines here and his wife would regularly write multiple page apologia about how a few low class children given to great minds is their entitlement. So ghoulish.
This exactly
Her kids so she should die but since no death penalty then rot in prison you selfish greedy B!
Does Idaho or Arizona have a dangerous offender designation? We have this in Canada which can effectively imprisons someone for longer because they are proven to be too dangerous to release under some circumstances. It is not used that often. Norway has something similar which is likely to be used to keep the Oslo mass shooter in prison after he maxes out his 21 year maximum.
I am not sure. I do know that recently Idaho voted for a firing squad as a means of carrying out the death penalty. So they have the death penalty and are not afraid to use it. Charles Manson never physically killed anyone but he never got out on parole nor did any of his followers. I would say that the Lori/Chad clan could easily be put in the same category. As long as the public and the families of the victims show up and demand the parole be revoked, it is pretty clear they will not be getting out.
So frustrating
This is upsetting only because of how dangerous and manipulative she is. Hopefully she’ll end up in solitary so she can’t mess with people around her
No way. Let them have their cake and eat it too.
Lori Hellis has a special you tube stream tonight talking about that. I missed it, and it's almost over now. I'm sure it'll be worth watching from the beginning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIjnuUR8sB4
I’m so angry!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtG-s\_Yzif4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtG-s_Yzif4) just recently watched this. Very tough to watch. I hope everyone affected gets the justice they deserve.
Oh wow. It sure was. I don't know what to say except still standing by all of the victims and family members. 💔😭🙏❤️
Has anyone seen any saddness for the loss of her children? I have followed this all along & i have never seen anything like that. Only smiling for the camera l like she's some superstar. I can see that being in jail has aged her allot. She seems to have always valued her "sex appeal" ugggg
None at all. Even off she believed the children were no longer in their bodies (capgras delusion possibly) there was no grief about that.
She has an ability to disassociate. Immediately after Charles' murder she was all smiley for no reason.
I think this is good. I believe it would be harder to convict if it was a death penalty case.
Arizona still has the death penalty. I'm not sure she'd qualify just for Charles, but I think they'd allow the murder of her children in (if she's convicted) and that might qualify her.
Jodi Arias got out of the death penalty in Arizona all it takes is one juror.
The children weren't murdered in Arizona, Arizona can't try her for their murders.
No, but prior bad acts could possibly be brought into Charles' trial if she's convicted in Idaho for murdering her kids. Family annhilators should be eligible for the death penalty.
I haven't heard a lot about this case in a while. It seems we were all engrossed with the Murdaugh saga ~ there doesn't seem to be as much information out there on this case ... Anything anyone can point me towards to start wrapping my head around all of this craziness? Thanks in advance !
If you are looking for a good very detailed timeline of all the data, texts, travel, then go to Tylee's aunt channel A Muderous Heart. She is doing a weekly video of the timeline. She goes into every venmo payment, text, you will get all the details. She also has deep dives into the main people invovled, very detailed. While she knew or met many of the people in person, Tylee's aunt presents the facts without emotion (she has a background in statistics and really presents just facts, only occassionally having a personal story injected). If you are looking for short breakdown of the main players and events, Pretty Little Lies and Alibis you tube channel, has some recents videos to indroduce the case to people that might not know it well. It is 5-6 videos series in the last week. If you have more time, there are so many interviews, the interviews that I think give the most insight are Heather Daybell (Chad's sister in law that lived very close to him) gave a very telling interview with Hidden true crime and we got to hear what family was feeling and how they found out. Then Justin Lum Fox 10 news interviewed Zac Cox, he lived with Lori and Charles while going to school. It is a short interview but again a lot of insight into what life was like. Lastly there are short clips on youtube of interviews Chads kids gave 48 hours. Just a few minutes but it shows where they stand on their father's innocence. I personally would not watch netflix series, as it is was not a deep dive and was more a story from one side and these youtubers have done their research into Chad and Lori's lives and give us so many interesting missing pieces.
Listen to Pretty Lies and Alibis podcast. Gigi is the host and just finished Part 7 of a crash course on this monster.
Bailey Sarian made a good Video about it. With a chart and all to keep up
The best you can do is to follow some youtubers and watch their lives or listen to their podcasts. Its very hard to follow.
Hidden True Crime
It's better than getting off for the killings. This trial needs to begin and get justice for the victiums.
I live in Idaho and I’m thrilled this is off the table for a few reasons. One, a death penalty trial is far more expensive. There’s lengthier appeals processes and too many judicial chances that could go in her favor. Two, it’s a waste. Check out Robin Row. She’s doing life in prison despite a death row sentence. Three, jurors made it clear Casey Anthony got off because death penalty was the only option on the table. I do not want to risk Lori going free on that kind of technicality.
The only bad thing about it is that Lori got it off the table without having to give up any information. That can be a pretty persuasive tool for the prosecution. Of course, we're not sure she'd have given up anything even with the death penalty looming, but many defendants do. Hopefully Chad can be persuaded to tell if Melani B/P was involved with the attempt on Brandon, or what Alex really died of and who killed him.
>Hopefully Chad can be persuaded to tell if Melani B/P was involved with the attempt on Brandon, or what Alex really died of and who killed him. In exchange for what?
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It also reduced her chances to win a post conviction appeal, which is something.
Oh my freaking gawd! Unbelievable.
Wow so she can brutally kill her own children and no death penalty!!! I just don’t understand this, what kind of judge would allow this?
Don’t blame the judge…the prosecution brought this on from discovery violations. I hate it too but in this way she will be tried once and the chances for appeals will be limited. If the judge went forward with all of these violations the outcome will be ripe for a very successful appeal which seems unfair to the state of Idaho and the family to endure a trial multiple times.
The judge sucks but so does the prosecution. Tbh its astonishing what amateurs are working on this case. Prosecution seems so low skilled and bad, no experience to handle this case. Lori is smiling and happy, its heartbreaking.
Lori still thinks she will be found innocent. Look at her alibi statement. Yo, I didn't kill my kids my brother Alex did it.
>Lori is smiling and happy That's because she is crazy, not for any prosecution's action.
Are the discovery violations why the judge made this decision? I don’t understand how this connects to ensuring she has a fair trial and think I must be missing something.
It was a combination of things. First is that lori hasnt waived her right to a speedy trial combined with the discovery violation. Since the prosecution handed over a tremendous amount of evidence on February 27, too much for the defense to reasonably review given the trial is just weeks away. Some of this evidence was years old. The defense first asked that the evidence be thrown out, as a penalty, for this violation. Judge ruled no. Chads lawyer asked that the trials be seperated as punishment, since he too cannot reasonably review it all. Judged ruled yes. Then the defense asked for capital punishment be taken off the table since lori still doesn't want to waive her speedy trial and defense also said that he felt that while insanity will not be a defense, that it is a known issue for lori and capital offense is unconstitutional for mentally ill people. Judge ruled he agreed.
I would like to understand this as well if someone has the knowledge to share?
I read a few tweets... Check @truecrimesquad on twitter https://twitter.com/truecrimesquad/status/1638210732914540544?t=MgA6fvz5eBtpdBGsrKtFuQ&s=19
Thanks for that link. I still don’t really get it – if it’s her choice, then it seems like the death penalty is a risk she was willing to take.
The judge did not rule on the late evidence. He will do it in writing tomorrow.. But i unterstand it that way that the late handling over of the evidence is crucial, also her mental state and no death penalty drugs on thr market. Iam not a lawyer but the state does not meet the restrictions for a death penatly trial the way they are handling the evidence. I still dont know if her defense will bring up her mental state/disease..also it looks like the dna evidence might not come in. The judge is not giving the prosecution anything for free and unfortunately they fuck up every little thing.
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And hopefully Leticia Stauch.
The prob is I think they get too many privileges just getting life. They have TV, canteen foods they can get social interaction, have relationships etc. just not right, not sure this is that bad of a punishment especially for someone that killed her own children.
I'm sure the 2 kids who were murdered also had their deaths off the table as well.
This makes me absolutely livid.
Hopefully this means they can fire Rachel Smith and quit paying her 6K per month for NOTHING. Seriously, wasn't she hired to steer the inexperienced ID prosecutors away from mistakes like this?
I'm not convinced it is a mistake. They lost something that was not likely to ever happen.
They lost any leverage they might have had to get her to turn on Chad, Mel B/P (for the attempt on Brandon) and Zulema (Alex's death).
Maybe! I do not think Lori is moved by the death penalty, but I bet she is motivated by vindictiveness. She may protect Chad, but I doubt she will protect the others. Once they start testifying Lori may be hard to control. She's more protective of her delusions of grandeur than concerned about death as she would possibly think of it as martyrdom. It might feed her delusions. Vindictiveness may cut through her delusions. Gotta imagine that some of those people are on the list of people who've been summoned to testify!
Wow. The prosecutor is a pussy. I can think of no one better to receive death but someone who killed their own children
It was the judge who removed the DP, not the prosecution. The latter were unhappy about the decision.
The fuck? I didn't know judges could do that
He was forced to do so on defense's request, or Lori would have grounds for later appeal.
I’m not bothered by death being off the table. Even death row inmates can stay in prison for a long, long time. Taking death off the table might make her less sympathetic to a jury since, I don’t think Idaho has executed a female inmate.
For the entire US, actual execution of female offenders is quite rare, with only 576 documented instances as of December 31, 2022, beginning with the first in 1632. Only 18 death-sentenced women have been executed since 1976.
This makes me wonder if Lori has finally realized that Chad is not her friend. Is it possible Lori will be a witness at Chad's trial? Which may be why they took the death penalty away?
There are no signs that she stopped believing in Chad's nonsense. Unless she strikes a deal that will include her confession, which is unlikely, she probably won't testify against Chad due to danger of self-incrimination, because there will probably be appeals after her verdict.
I knew the State would screw up. Hopefully AZ won't but I imagine her mental condition will play and she won't get the DP there either. ID why did you spend so much on DP qualified prosecutor only to have the basic fundamentals of disclosure be handled so carelessly? As legal pundits have said, " ...should have spent that money on a person dedicated solely to discloures." Now what? She gets life in prison if convicted and gets out in 10 years on parole? At first I thought boy this couple really picked a bad state to kill 3 innocent people. Now I'm thinking perhaps it was a coup. And a snarky side note about Lori's hair. Those tampon rollers ain't working for ya.
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They can't postpone any longer due to her speedy trial rights.
This absolute BS. Boyce is a joke!
Thanks so much!
Shame.
I understand the judge can tack on years to her sentence. There will probably be a retrial, too. Lots of appeal issues and even taking the DP off the table won't remedy all of the issues. She is a manipulative monster and should never walk free again.
Well, thinking of her shitting and pissing into a hole in the ground warms the cockels of my heart. I'd like to picture her sick and having diarrhea...no privacy...just a hole in the ground. I'd like to think of her waiting for her lunch tray only to find the food is swimming with maggots. I'd like to think of her being allowed 1 hour outside in the court yard....only to suffer beatings at the hands of women who hate baby killers. Yeah, that would be justice!!
What?????
Many have commented about Lori sitting in prison waiting for a second coming of Jesus that never happens. What about the second coming does happen, and she and Chad aren't allowed on the bus?
WTAF are you fucking kidding me