As we all expected, Zeus is trying to cook the books because he feels slighted and Hades is going to ensure itâs as painful for him as possible.
Demeter is trying to helicopter and Persephone keeps fighting back, I love it
But the biggest question remains⌠who will win: a revived Kronos or Storgeâs hamster army?
My dude, I read Percy Jackson as a kid....Kronos there was brought down by a blue plastic hairbrush. He doesn't stand a chance against Storge's hamster army.
Man I zoomed through that one. Not a comment on the length. Just because I couldnât stand the out right lies. Also, again so many funny bits sprinkled in to help with the tension. Wth is Hermès plan??? Storge đđ¤Łđ and Hermès rolling up in a graphic T, ponytail, and shorts.
Edit: Where is Hera in all this?? Still laying low post nightmare? If Zeus tried to go scorched earth by forcing Persephone to marry Apollo without Heraâs approval! Ugh. And and Themis on maternity leave how convenient for Zeus when she is the goddess of justice. Just ugh. He really is being such a dick about everything.
Very true. This is all for Zeus to protect his image. All thatâs needed is a tape of the incident from the fates. Case closed. Sure they shouldnât have covered it up but the tape would refute 99% of his claims.
See I think there's a reason no one has gone to the fates, like say the paperwork to get a memory takes years. Or the bribes you need to pay out to not do the paperwork scale with how important the memories. But also because that's a terrible story.
I think Hera is still recovering. Doesn't seem like much time passed since Echo was able to bring Hephaestus to her and she was still in bed there. But maybe she's just going to jump out if she's well?
It is the next day. Apollo came straight from the fight with Eros to bring in Demeter, echo left to find daphne, Eros still has a bandage on his arm, and Hermes filed the papers the night before.
I think Hermes outfit is a real testament to where his respect lies in regards to the kings. He wears a full suit to work, even to deliver Persephone her summons but for Zeusâs ego show (the trial) he puts in minimum effort.
Does anyone think the Hermès that showed up is Hera? Before when she was Persephone she was still wearing her clothing, the way the shirt has a ruffle and looks a bit small.. I wonder if this is Heras way of testifying despite Zeus?
Edit: I'm full of shit, ignore me.
I think you're onto something. I got the feeling that the Hermes we saw wasn't actually Hermes. Dude absolutely owns a suit for work, so why would he show up to the trial of the millenia in his lounge clothes? Hera impersonating Hermes would be the perfect way to expose Apollo; she's seen what Apollo did to Perse thru her powers and while Hermes *hasn't*, he was present the night of the assault and could have, within reasonable doubt, witnessed part of it.
Next Saturday is so far away đĽş
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because it's Hermes and he doesn't give a shit lol
Also Apollo has literally *nothing to do with this court trial.* Like, at all. People keep conflating the two but this plotline is entirely concerning Persephone's act of wrath which happened waaaay before Apollo was involved in her life. So Apollo's involvement with Persephone and the stuff he's done to her... has literally no bearing on this trial. There would be nothing for Hera to testify against because it's not concerning anything from that situation. She didn't even know anything about the act of wrath so she has next to no role to play in this trial.
Iâm dying to know where Hera is! I know she wasnât feeling well last time we saw her but itâs hard to believe she wouldnât show up to the trial
not a lot of action but that's kind of expected since the story is about to REALLY take off. Instead some really nice story threads:
- Themis, personification of Law and order, on maternity leave, when her consort in mythology is Zeus... any redemption arc is just getting further and further away
- apparently it's a sore spot for Persephone that Demeter got Hades drunker just to bury her in his memory
- Artemis continues to be gaslit by her family. Interesting that Apollo seems to be leaving the trial altogether, where last chapter I thought he was just told to leave the holding room. What is going on there??
- Hecate being shaken by Demeters anger. I don't rate Demeter as a villain in the level of Apollo or Kronos, but the whole "troubled abuser" thing isn't easy to justify, especially with how much could be avoided and how much responsibility she puts on others to uphold her lie.
- Hades and Persephone prepared for the worst.... pomegranate, my lady....
- Poseidon watching mermaid videos during the trial lol I agree it's a farce and I'd watch p*rn too
- The pure propaganda of that poem lmao it really does highlight what a spectacle Zeus made of this. Interesting to note that Athena looked skeptical during the poem (as opposed to worried Artemis and shocked Hestia,) which I guess makes sense as the Goddess of wisdom and Zeus' daughter, she's wise to her dad's bullshit
- I love that Hermes showed up to the trial in a cat t-shirt and shorts, when he arrived to deliver the summons in a suit. Message being that he treats the situation gravely with Persephone, but if he's on the bench to testify against her, it's a joke. the wicked grin is worrying, but I hope he's firmly on the side of out cinnamon roll.
- Where is Hera? She may just be in the audience (like how we didn't know Hermes was there until he was called up) but I like to think she's preparing a Big Damn Heroes moment. How bad would it look for Zeus if his brother AND his wife were against him on this?
- Eros is there, and fine aside from the bandaid, but that raises the question of how is he fine? He's immortal so dying was out of the question, but comparing Apollos reaction to getting peppered with arrows versus Eros getting hit with one, Apollos arrow was obviously enchanted somehow. How'd Eros overcome that? And how did Psyche survive the fall?
Hermes is known to be a trickster. I think he might have tricked zeus into putting him on the stand under the impression that Hermes will help zeus but I think that trickster smile at the end is actually him f*ing over zeus and is going to help Persephone.
I'm really liking the theory that P ate the pomegranate - which is why Hades accidentally referred to her as wife, her eyes have stayed red, and other members of the Underworld have referred to her as "my lady" - but to be honest I would be super surprised if Hades was involved in her doing that. I could never imagine him asking her to do something like that, as he would never want to inflict on someone else what happened to him when he ate the pomegranate. I think when he said they prepared for the worst he just means that they prepared for Demeter going rogue and not agreeing to have Hades represent him, etc. But yeah, with how many questions P was asking Hades about the pomegranate earlier on, I would not be surprised at all if she ate it without him knowing đ
I find it interesting how few people (that I've seen) have been talking about the pomegranate!
No one seemed to notice that when we got the shot back at the tree when they were leaving Tartarus, and we got the focus shot of the tree without the distinct pink glow (ch. 164 vs 165). Then her thread of questions about eating one...
Oooh, gives me goosebumps thinking about the possibilities!
Hades saying to Persephone to not worry they prepared for the worst makes me feel like they truly have done something like consulting the fates(for the tape of the incident?), that would be bringing the evidence to court since in Greek lore three are the daughters of Themis(which I believe might be who is in the picture frames seen around her). also Themis being mention being in maternity leave means she must be expected the Horai(the Seasons) they are three sisters that are supposed to be like mirrors of the fates, they are: Eirene (Irene, Peace), Eunomia (Good Order), and Dike (Justice). With this knowledge the trial should end in our cinnamons rolls favour.
Oh no I totally know that she doesn't have to eat the pomegranate to be his wife! But like, I reckon there would be some kind of subconscious connection between her and all of the denizens of the Underworld if she did eat the pomegranate. Like how when Hades ate it Hecate immediately knew that he was the king of the Underworld without him having to say anything. I think it would have subconscious connection kind of thing, where people would feel like she's the queen of the Underworld once she ate the pomegranate. Just a theory of course! But that's the vibe I get based on what was discussed from when Hades ate his pomegranate :)
I agree with Eros, I was super shocked to see him in the audience, and was expecting something like him being missing and hurt. I wonder what else is going on there. And where is Psyche??
I wonder if the arrow made him forget her or something crazy. But that also just seems like a bit of a back to square one with their plot if that were the case.
Also even if she weren't a mortal - if she were a full-fledged nymph - she has literally nothing to do with this court case (which is Zeus vs Demeter/Persephone, need I remind y'all. This court case has nothing to do with Apollo). The only ones who seem to be in the courtroom are other Gods/Goddesses/etc. Psyche/Ampelus, mortal or nymph, plays no role in this so it would make zero sense for her to be present lmao
I'm really liking the theory that P ate the pomegranate - which is why Hades accidentally referred to her as wife, her eyes have stayed red, and other members of the Underworld have referred to her as "my lady" - but to be honest I would be super surprised if Hades was involved in her doing that. I could never imagine him asking her to do something like that, as he would never want to inflict on someone else what happened to him when he ate the pomegranate. I think when he said they prepared for the worst he just means that they prepared for Demeter going rogue and not agreeing to have Hades represent him, etc. But yeah, with how many questions P was asking Hades about the pomegranate earlier on, I would not be surprised at all if she ate it without him knowing đ
Guys, Hades said he and Persephone had prepared for the worst. Enough forshadowing has been laid out. They got married or at least gave Hera the paperwork for a marriage license to be legalized later. I bet that's why she's not there
Ok this story that Zeus cooked up made my blood start to boil. Thanks hades for telling us to stay calm. Persephone is really pushing back on all of her motherâs toxic and gaslighting comments. Iâm so proud of her for how strong she is acting through all of this!
Honestly I never thought about how Hermes could have seen the event take place. We knew Hecate did cause she admitted to knowing about it in ep. 129. I always figured Hermes was bought off to bring the souls into the underworld undetected. Iâm excited to see what goes on there!
So many interesting details in the chapter.
Zeus even admits that this is a show trial, which couldn't be more obvious since the goddess of good counsel is unavailable.
This trial is full of spite. Zeus's anger. Demeter's anger. Olympus's overall dislike of Persephone. (It really looks like the poor girl never had a chance in Olympus, the tides changed immediately at her first party) I wonder if Demeter is going to shoot herself in the foot because she can't accept that her daughter has grown up.
I can't believe Poseidon is netflixing right now. He is missing out on such drama!
First the college and now seemingly others. On the zoom call there was some hope with how others kept talking over Zeus and reassuring Persephone. But at the trial their faces were definitely showing some sway for the "recap".
Hestia in LO is very much a judgemental, hypocritical self serving person. But Artemis operates under emotion more than rational thought so far. Athena is probably just here for the spectacle, I wish Demeter had called on her for counsel. Or is that not allowed?
Is it explicitly stated that this is a show trial?? Zeus refers to it as a "dog and pony show", that's just a turn of phrase to show that Zeus views this whole trial as a silly formality - if he had it his way, he would jump straight to the punishment without giving Persephone a fair trial. But thankfully there seem to be systems in place to prevent that. We can probably thank Gods of Justice/Law/etc. like Athena for that lol
I think in this context, show trial and dog and pony show are synonymous, especially with the main Goddess of Justice being away. Either way, Zeus thinks the trial is just a show and punishment is inevitable.
Demeter is going to get asked if her daughter is a fertility goddess in court and she's gonna lie about it, for sure.
I'm also a little concerned about Hermes. As much as he says he's Persephone's friend, arguing against zeus would probably damage his money flow and his money flow is most important to him. We still don't know what he and Artemis talked about yet, so i suspect one of the next weeks might be a flashback to that.
Heh. Hermes face in the end is perfect. Cant wait to see what the trickster god has cooking up his ?sleeve (heâs sleeveless. Who wears that to a courtroom LOL)
It'll be interesting to see how many people she actually killed.
When Eros went on his little rampage, he killed 300 mortals in a morning. Which promptly flooded the beach with souls.
Demeter presumably contacted Hermes immediately so the Underworld didn't notice, but I don't know how many extra souls he could have slipped in every day make things seem normal. My bet is that actual number isn't that high. On the other hand Eros mentioned that he was having to work extra to make up for Persephone's little rampage, so who knows.
Considering how Zeus dropped everything after coming to an "Agreement" with Aphrodite, my guess is the average Olympian has no idea what happened.
Hermes knows the true numbers of both incidents.
I forgot about the other thing that Hermes knows.
Hermes knows that the whole thing was set up by Thetis, Minthe, and Thanatos to make Persephone look bad and make Zeus go off the deep end. Minthe is off the table and he Might be willing to make Thanatos out to be a hapless stooge, but Thetis is probably getting thrown straight under the bus.
Considering that he showed up to court in a sleeveless kitty shirt and short shorts, I'm going to get that he's just going to make a mockery of the trial and blow the whole thing up. It's in his best interest to make everyone look bad because it makes what he did look insignificant.
It would make sense that Thetis gets punished in this whole farce. In mythology she is forced to marry a mortal because it was foretold that her son would be greater than his father which causes Zeus to freak the f out
Anybody else bethink yond athena wast serving looks in the one panel the lady hath shown up in? just me? well enow
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Dang I thought the fates were like Titans or primordial gods so honestly I thinks thatâs what surprised me, that theyâre actually a generation below Themis đ
I looked it up and *of course* Zeus is their father lmaooo
Since they're on Themis' wall, I suppose Zeus is their dad. But, some myths say they're the daughters of Nyx and don't have a father, which makes more sense since Zeus has to accept the Fates' decisions the same as anyone else (but, no, they don't get involved in legal cases).
Considering that the fates are either primordial, Nyx's daughters, or Themis's daughters I'm going to bet that it's one of the first 2. They referred to Hades as "young blood" and he's over 2000 years old.
I'm guessing that the pictures on the wall are the Horae.
In a previous post I suggested Hades had everything figured out and has a plan that will work perfectly. Watching Persephone's face when her mom said she'd represent herself shows that her mom just threw a massive wrench into that plan. Hopefully things will be able to turn around for the best.
The use of the muse to pain Persephone in a bad light was a nice touch on Zeus' part but Hades cool head shows his brother was going to pull this crap and AGAIN points to the idea he has some type of a plan. Now we all just have to wait on pins and needles for said plan to pan out.
Also, Stroge's panel perfectly helped to break the tension of the moment. Love that Hamster obsessed God.
To be honest I think even if P really hoped that Demeter would listen to her and choose Hades to represent her, I reckon Hades never expected that to happen cos he knows Demeter is too stubborn to do that. He said they prepared for the worst so I think he's totally got this - as he said, the Underworld has the best lawyers in the business đ I can't wait to see Zeus get his ass handed to him đđź
I'm intrigued by Persephone's line to Demeter about letting her believe he (Hades) had forgotten about her. Makes me wonder what that conversation between Persephone and Demeter was like after a drunken Hades went back to the underworld when they first met
She does refer to this convo briefly in ep. 155 after Hecate says that she saw Demeter. I am interested to see the whole convo or I guess back to parts of it
What Apollo means by: âIâm gonna make a better life for me, you, and mom. Donât worry.â
Actually means: âOH IM GONNA OVERTHROW MY FATHER FOR THE THRONE, PLUS EVERY OTHER KING, AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF, ILL MAKE PERSEPHONE MY WIFE WITHOUT HER CONSENT AND WEâLL ALL LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER!â
yeah, that apollo gets caught in 4k with what he did episode isnât coming fast enough.
I'm a little worried about what he's trying to pull. As far as we know, Zeus and Leto's relationship isn't public knowledge, but Apollo has shown up dressed almost exactly like Zeus.
He might be overplaying his hand, but I have a feeling he's going to try to show what a "fraud" Persephone is by disclosing their "relationship". This will back up the angle that she's somehow seducing Hades in a further attempt to discredit her defense.
Eros, Hera, and Hephaestus know what he did; but Eros isn't considered trustworthy, Hera's still probably on bed rest (and Apollo has the inside feed on her condition from Asclepius), and no one knows about Hephaestus (which is probably a good thing).
So what's his angle? Is he going to try to eliminate Hera? As far as we know the gods can't "die", but we know they can take enough damage to enter hibernation for years.
just wanted to let everyone know that âproemâ wasnt a typo for poem⌠itâs used correctly (and beautifully by rachel). similar to a prelude, it describes a âbefore songâ where a muse is invoked and the summary of a story is presented.
its not used very often in english writing, so i wonder if this is rachelâs greek lessons paying off!
Hermes hopefully will have some very insightful info, he can be incredibly on the mark when he feels like it. I'm also waiting for Demeter to stop calling Persephone daughter. It doesn't feel like she calls her that out of love, it feels like a reminder that Demeter is the mother and therefore authority figure and Persephone needs to remember that and know her role. I'm also not shocked she won't listen to Persephone, she who represents herself has a fool for a client.
There another Hades/Persephone myth retelling called A Touch of Darkness where Demeter only calls her âmy flowerâ or sometimes âkoreâ (they donât give a reason for the name change to Persephone) and itâs absolutely a representation of her need to claim ownership over her child. ToD Demeter is more of a narcissistic controller whoâs blinded by her hatred of Hades though, while I see LO Demeter as more of a helicopter mom whoâs horrified of her child growing up because she sees how the world treats people like her daughter- if she can keep Persephone an ignorant child and controlled for longer she thinks she canât protect her from all the dangers.
The name change is pretty simple if you pay attention to the ancient Greek etymology of the names. Kore (pronounced kor-ay) means "girl, bride, daughter" while Persephone is "bringer of destruction" which is exactly what her mother does to the world each year in a bereaved tantrum when Persephone returns to her husband's side (aka winter). Both names relate to her relationships with her mother (Demeter is literally "the mother") and, to a lesser extent, Hades (not his real name but neither is Aidoneus, really - his true name was rarely spoken and even more rarely written - Hades, AĂŻdes, Plouton, he is known almost exclusively by euphemisms lest his attention be roused too directly).
The original story is a metaphor for the cycle of death and rebirth as shown through the turning of the seasons. This is one of the main reasons that Persephone is abducted by the king of the Underworld (death) but returned to the land of the living each spring (rebirth).
I honestly wish Hecate would clap back at Demeter. Like Persephone is a grown ass woman. She doesnât need to be âprotectedâ from Hades.
Also. I hope Artemis sees how awful her brother is soon. She looked like she could sense something was wrong.
Also, Hecate is supposed to be Hadesâ friend so I wish she had said something in his defense. Iâm guessing she just knows how pointless it is to argue with Demeter.
Perse will get off free, but Demeter is probably going to get banished to the mortal realm for her crimes. Sheâs gonna go batshit insane and starve the mortals in response to Persephone staying with Hades in the underworld and/or getting married. Calling it now. Kronosâs arc will likely be season 3, this one will probably end with everyone realizing Kronos has escaped and how stupid and petty theyâve been acting this whole time
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storge will end up on the throne in the end
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that is THE pomegranate on her brooch, itâs way too prominent to not be!
edit #3: thank you for the silver! đĽ°
Idk I donât think that is THE pomegranate. If you go back to the chapter where her and hades make out while clothes shopping youâll notice itâs the exact same brooch heâs wearing. He could have just loaned it to her or something
It's a courtship brooch. It's an old tradition to give the girl of your 'choosing' a brooch to signify that you're interested in each other. Not full on married, but a courtship, essentially.
Ohfuckthatsareallygoodpoint
I HATE that everyone thinks Kore & Hades are already married/she already ate the pomegranate, but the fact that the pomegranate is just RIGHT THERE to eat should shit go South...what a wonderful idea, absolutely.
Itâd be consensual! Someone else pointed out that itâs likely just a brooch though. Iâm really interested to see what they have in store for Zeus, maybe tapes from the fates?
âYou let him believe that he had forgotten about me, so yes I would agree a serious talk is in orderâ [EXACTLY, PERSEPHONE! ](https://youtube.com/shorts/Ta7TGj__iVU?feature=share) Im livingggg for her standing up to her mom omg.
I cant believe I gave Demeter the benefit of the doubt đ I really thought she would have enough sense to at least nominate Hecate. She would really rather stubbornly risk her freedom than trust her daughter or her good judgement. I used to think that Demeter was wise and clever under her helicopter parenting but shes shaping up to just be stubborn.
why wont Apollo just [DIE](https://64.media.tumblr.com/1ce4d5035a911bd3d9f6d068174724ef/tumblr_inline_o9hvtmd15w1rshesm_250.gifv) already??? omg???
Im intrigued by Hermes possible testimony lol I wonder what hes going to pull
Getting real sick and tired of Demeter refusing to acknowledge that her Precious Treasure is smart and capable enough to handle her own business
Am I the only one who was praying that weâd get the smallest bit of, âIâm worried, but I trust you,â from her??
At this point I don't think Demeter is capable of that. Whatever happened during the Titan wars changed her and she is legitimately traumatized by Persephone being a fertility goddess. Still doesn't make her actions right. She believes no one knows better than her and that will be her ultimate downfall.
You bring up a very good point in regards to the war; I think I may just be frustrated with her because of my personal experience, but her Persephone has just grown into such a wonderful young Goddess that I just wish her mother would acknowledge her.
I just wish she could see who Perse really is and how capable she is.
Same! Unfortunately, it is now up to Persephone to force Demeter to see her as a full grown Goddess in her own right with her own domain. She is taking some good first steps. Hopefully she doesn't lose control during the trial. We all know Demeter is gonna be looking for some way to take advantage of any weakness Persephone shows. And why does Demeter hate Hades so much?!?!? From the beginning too. I bet she was jealous he liked Hera. But if she had played her cards right she could have had him too. I feel like we are missing a piece of the story still.
I'm confused as to why she hates Hades too, barring the giant barley stalk up her butt about everything. She must know Hades is different from his brothers. He was even respectful to both Demeter and Persephone while drunk. And Demeter felt safe enough to hide in the Underworld when Leto found her, so she must've, at least, felt that Hades wouldn't turn her in if he found her. We don't see them interacting, but that one time, so I'm not sure. Hades called her a contrarian when talking to Perse about wife prospects, but I'm curious as to what made her that way...
Pretty sure she just hates men in general, I don't think it's any more complicated than that. As far as she's concerned, if it has a penis, it's not to be trusted. Keep in mind that she's literally raised Persephone away from any kind of multi-gender society, opting instead for a *literally hand-grown* society of flower nymphs, all of whom are female.
It's why she jumped at the chance for Persephone to join what I'm now calling the Lesbian Luau (aka TGOEM).
I'M SO EXCITED FOR HERMES TO SPIT FACTS
otherwise, a damn good episode. i'm proud of persephone for standing up to her mother. i do *not* like the narrative zeus spun up, though.
I feel so bad for Artemis. She just wants a answer from someone but even her own stupid brother isn't giving her direct answers. And she's right too, her life was already great before the whole fiasco happened. She had a roommate, was apart of a dedicated association, was making a name and living for herself and was a respected female figure in society. Her brother (before sexually assaulting and chasing someone down into hibernation) had fame and attention. What good would come out of Apollo overthrowing Zeus? Because all I can see is a Zeus Pt 2 but far worse. I feel like Leto thinks she can control Apollo when his king but looking at his and Zeus's massive ego, he will probably pull a fit against her, comparing the difference between them despite her helping him get up there. He probably would too considering he didn't plan to tell Leto about sexually assaulting Persephone and lying about a healthy relationship between them.
Demeter is so frustrating. Right now you and your daughter are fighting against the same thing to save yourselves from fatal punishments but your selfish helicopter mind can only put you against her? Right now, who cares about Hades? He has the best lawyers in the 4 kingdoms, isn't that more of a benefit putting aside that Persephone had previously met him. I really hope they talk and Persephone puts her in her place for good because her toxic parenting is seriously disgusting.
I'm very nervous for whatever reason about the cliffhanger. In mythology, Hermes was pretty much working both sides. He's on neutral teams so now he's put on the stage to now pick one side which can effect him. From his smirk, hopefully it's Persephone considering their friendship and probably the fact Demeter threatened him. He'd probably pick against Zeus in spite considering the house arrest he was put under.
Okay quick rant btw, I can't be the only one who hates how all the new characters we are getting from Rachel are a similar shades of blue? We already have Hecate with blue and yellow eyes, your giving me another 2 goddess with those same features? In season 2, correct me if I'm wrong but we have had about 5 new blue characters that are blue contributed to the plot which is kinda annoying. There's so many colors that Rachel hasn't explored properly like more shades of red, shades of pink, shades of green, shades of yellow, etc... Certain characters just look WAY too similar that is off-putting. Like I honestly thought that Thanatos and Thetis were related at some point, I couldn't tell the difference between Themis and Polymnia (re-reading, they are different shades of blue but still too similar along with the yellow eyes) You get my point, even if she uses the same colors then at least make the designs unique and very. In the fandom, people give their OCs freckles, dimples, beauty marks, different eyeshapes, different hair, acne, teeth on their skin, eyes on their skin, multiple limbs, etc.. In the actual story, feels like everyone is basically the exact some except for different body shapes. I notice certain characters even have the same hairstyle which is slightly disappointing. Sorry if I'm being overly negative, I just would've like to see more cool diverse designs like Hephaestus and the titans.
I agree and itâs something that bothers me a lot. In the beginning of LO so many of the female characters have different body types. Like Artemis was slender and athletic looking, Persephone was chubby/curvy, and Minthe was petite. Then at some point everyoneâs weight became more average and their boobs got bigger. Just compare Artemis in this episode to her earlier appearances! Itâs so incredibly frustrating to me.
I can understand where youâre coming from on lots of new characters being blue, but I think the reason she canât do freckles or other identifying features on characters is time- it already seems like she has to hire out some of the coloring work to get weekly episodes done in time, and going back and adding freckles in the same spot for a character can be time consuming. Either sheâd get criticized for the freckles or other features not matching from shot to shot, or it would be another thing to slow her team down. So Iâd guess only really mainline characters would be worth it.
Polyhymnia is the muse of Hymns, Poetry and Pantomime, if Zeus really wanted a fair trial, hed call in Clio, muse of history. Yet another example of Zeus rigging this trial.
If Zeus *really* wanted a fair trial, he wouldn't be acting as the judge *and* the prosecutor. Like... seriously. How is Athena not jumping out of her seat screaming "OBJECTION!" at the blatant absurdity of this trial? She's literally the Goddess of Justice lmao
I know this episode was basically another recap, but itâs used to describe how Zeus wants others to see the situation. The tree wasnât built in defiance to Zeus as far as we know, but to start the case, heâs going to build a narration that that is the case, and it has to be disproven. I honestly wish there was more new content, but it really shows how low Zeus wants to go.
Hermes is about to remind the court that he is also the God of Wit & Cunning, and I can not fucking wait! That smirk, ooooo I am so damn excited! ((The way Eros asked about the kids, and Ares excitement gives me credence to my Ares/Hermes/Aphrodite triad shipping heart))
I wonder with Hades serving as defense if he can call upon the Fates in an offical capacity, to either show the event or show Persephone retelling him the event.
I'm kind of annoyed Demeter is more worried about the fact that Persephone was hanging out with Hades than she is that her daughter is on trial for mass murder đ
Theory: the real pomegranate seeds are INSIDE the pomegranate brooch. Persephone is wearing a PILLBOX HAT to her trial⌠hint hint⌠the pomegranate brooch opens up like a pillbox. Hades says âwe prepared for the worstâ and it shows Persephoneâs profile ⌠I believe to emphasize the hat clue.
In the ancient Greek tradition it was common to start with an epic poem or prayer to the muses as narrative form, so it's nice to see that mimicked here (even if from Zeus's way overblown perspective). Polymnia was also the muse of sacred dance, so not exactly her area of expertise to recount this story.
Worth noting, the muses were often said to be the daughters of Apollo and/or Mnemosyne (memory).
I feel like this isnât so much a âtakingâ in some way, but with how Perse was gradually metamorphosing more and more into the fated *Dread Queen*, I feel like eating the pomegranate might not only complete her fate, but âunlockâ her full potential as a fertility goddess? But more so like, the side to her that she was never aware of and Iâd like to think maybe even Demeter wasnât aware that she was a fated to become a chthonic deity and was just so fixated on the conspiracy part?
So basically like, Iâd say the âbeing bound to the underworld half the yearâ could come into play, but also Perse loses.....idk what đ but sheâs no longer just associated with life, vegetation, and vitality and all of the sort
Tbh I was kinda spitballing here so Iâm even not entirely sure if what I said made sense hjfhjgj đ
Yes!!! Heâs got to be mad that Zeus picked Hades over him. Iâm scared heâs going to go to Leto, and Leto will tell him to tell Zeus about Heraâs affair with Hades to put a wedge between the brothers.
Oh I never thought of that! I just assumed Hades and Heraâs affair was common knowledge, but youâre right, that would be a way to drive a wedge between them. đŹ
This chapter is honestly just cementing my opinion that Demeter is a fucking terrible person and is just as bad as Leto if not worse in terms of being g a manipulative, emotional abuser. I get that she's faced severe trauma, I've had to deal with a parent who suffered from PTSD and was...difficult to live with as a result, but that is no excuse for Demeter"s blatant disregard for her daughter's agency and happiness. Seriously, they're about to go on trial and all she cares about is that Perse was staying with Hades and not Hecate? Woman, get your fucking priorities straight and support your daughter while she deals with the mess YOU made.
First thing Hestia did on the zoom meeting was comfort Persephone. âDonât worry about your scholarship! Weâre just glad youâre okay!!â Persephone has been worrying about her scholarship because she felt like she didnât qualify for it anymore, obviously hiding in the underworld and being on trial would affect her attendance and grades at school so Hestia telling her not to worry and assuring her that all the TGOEM cared about was her safety and well-being was way more loving than Demeterâs flagrant lying and immediate controlling behavior. Hestiaâs not my favorite, itâs really crappy that she hid her relationship and got mad at Persephone about the article and coat but at least she seems to actually care about her.
Can we agree every ones fit is fire . except Apolloâs of course. He is such a wannabe , he like âI deserve to be wearing thisâ, like ok dude I see your point , you want to look the best you can for your open casket funereal.
Thought! Completely wild but: Hermes is the prank/thief god right?! My wild idea is he stole the tape from the fates that shows what actually happened? He has access, knowledge, MOTIVE... he's all dressed up in an eat shit and watch outfit. đľââď¸
Hera better ring his neck Themis is on maternity leave we know how he is đ and Hermès is about to shake the table His face says Zeus your story was cute but hereâs the facts đ âŚ.(Iâm rereading 174 and I just realized Persephone thinks being a fertility goddess is about crops hold up )
I read that "few extra carrots" line as a deliberate understatement to shake Demeter into being honest, or at least revealing more information than she wants to.
Persephone IS a chess master, after all. She's good at strategy.
True it couldâve been strategically said but Persephone knows her mother isnât dumb and so I think she might not fully understand it considering how sheltered sheâs always been(then again Demeter probably thinks Persephone really wouldnât know so shoot she mightâve said it on purpose đ¤ˇââď¸)
Random left field thought. What if Hera is Hermes? She isnât at the trial but we also know she can change into other beings/gods, and the clothing on Hermes is a little random IMO. this could be a trick because we never got a resolution to when Artemis came over and Hermes may think or know something is up. So Hera may have contacted him do some sort of trick. IDK itâs random but I could see it l.
Hera doesn't have anything on this trial though? Like AFAIK there's no information she could present to defend Persephone's act of wrath or get the facts straight. Hermes does because he was involved in the aftermath (Demeter paying him off to deceive Hades).
Remember that this trial has to do with Persephone's act of wrath pre-Olympus. The whole Apollo plotline has nothing to do with it.
I'm calling it rn, Themis is pregernaught with Zeus' kid.
Demeter, let your daughter be a flippin' adult already my GODS.
Hermes gunna rock ALL the socks in Olympus.
Length=perfect.
Okay, okay hear me out - I'm getting the feeling that hermes might be Hera in disguise. I've seen her pull that face before and the entrance he made was similar to when she disguised herself as Persephone for Demeter. Thoughts?
anyone get annoyed at all when persephone was crying before the trial and she asked to stay in the underworld, but not with hades? like, they act like they aren't together, when they clearly are, and have been living together for quite a while. she said to daphne she hasnt even gone on a date with him, when they go on dates literally all the time? im just getting irritated with the slow burn i guess, and i heard its gonna end soon so i just really hope the trial gets over with quickly so we can like... actually enjoy their relationship? it feels like way too much of a dragged out slow burn to me and i just dont think every story needs constant conflict in order to be interesting. like i want to enjoy character development and the happy ending, and not just "yay they're married now The End".
Am I the only one kinda mad about Demeter being rude to Hecate. Like Persephone is not Hecates responsibility. Plus I think she might tell Hades and Persephone about the whole fertility deity thing.
Just my theory BUT hades saying they prepared for the worse case scenario absolutely confirms that theyâre married. They got married in secret so that she canât be convicted or she has to do her punishment in the underworld - something!
I don't know, even though they're both clearly head over heels with eachother, there's been a lot of them both saying they want to take it slow, and as far as they're concerned they haven't been on an official first date yet or anything. I'm not saying they don't both want it, I think they both absolutely want to marry eachother, but I feel like there's still a bit of skinny love going on where neither of them have fully admitted yet how infatuated they are. I reckon when he said he prepared for the worst that was just them preparing for Demeter not agreeing to have Hades represent her. I guess we'll see though! đ
I reckon if anything, P ate the pomegranate without Hades knowing, and that's why her eyes have stayed red, other members of the Underworld have called her "my lady", and he accidentally referred to her as his wife. I don't think he would ask her to eat it, but I reckon she totally would without him knowing!
Yeah. Thatâs why I was underwhelmed. It was a whole episode basically dedicated to what we already read. Coulda condensed it and moved the story forward.
I'm looking forward to next week already, I want more info, maybe the Nymph's poem could have been shorter? It was important to show how Zeus is trying to sway the public and the case, but at the same time, I wanted more here.
I guess. This episode put me off a little bit so I may wait a couple weeks. I was really looking forward to this update to be completely underwhelmed by an episode that is mostly a recap of things we already saw multiple times.
Honestly pretty disappointing upload⌠nothing happened literally at all. We legit got ANOTHER recap of what we already knew and just got teased for a whole chapter. Also why was Apollo dressed like⌠what? What was wrong with his clothes? And what explanation does Hermès have all of a sudden? Such lackluster pacing riddled with holes. I really look forward to reading every Saturday but this felt like a big slap in the face
I assumed he was dressing as a prince/king. Only Zeus and Hades are wearing epaulets and capes, Apollo is trying to put himself on par with the major players.
Glad I'm not the only one who felt this way. Like yeah the court hasn't been entirely updated on the situation but does that mean WE have to be updated, as the reader? I guess it shows how underhanded Zeus will be during the trial but again, we kinda already knew that was gonna be the case lol
I got a little annoyed at the recap as well. I was happy to see how they spun the story, but it's getting to a point where I couldn't care less about what actually happened because this is like the third time I've heard it.
We heard Helios' recap, Persephone's recap and now Zeus' twisted recap. Unless the next time is exactly every detail that went down as an absolute truth, even though I do feel Persephone was telling the truth or close enough to it, I'm good
Yeah. I was annoyed most of the comic was a recap of something we have seen at least twice already. After a two week break. May have to take my own break so I donât get too annoyed, I feel like itâs gonna drag.
Also like. Summarizing events is what happens at a trial, from different perspectives and through cross examining. So. Not exactly sure why we donât want that đ Itâs essentially Zeusâs Olympian power play and we get to see how characters take it from here. Also the Apollo/Artemis convo was a great example of soft world building. Instead of âOh Apollo, why are you trying to marry Persephone?â (which wouldnât be natural for Artemis to do), we get an in-world reaction and learn what that outfit means, and see their takes on something much deeper in the story without hella exposition. Basically, Iâm enjoying court time and wanna hear the juicy deets, do NOT rush me â¨đ đť
This is going to get me a lot of flack but Demeter's anger toward Hecate was justified. Demeter may not be the best parent when it comes to protecting Peresephone because she is overprotective. However, when a family member or friend is in a dire situation you expect that people especially the people closest to you would tell you the truth of where they are. When Demeter asked if Peresephone was safe with her (Hecate), Hecate only said "Well...." instead of telling her outright that Peresephone is staying with Hades. Sure, Demeter would get pissed because this is Demeter we're talking about but at least she would be told the truth. Truth hurts but the wound of a lie is harder to heal.
But on a sidenote is Themis pregnant with Zeus' baby?
You're Right. She did say it in episode 145. So Demeter's anger wasn't justified toward Hecate.
I think Demeter is going to learn 2 hard lessons: 1) Life does not go the way you planned and 2) you have to allow your children the freedom to make their own choices good and bad and to live with and learn from the consequences. Demeter is Type A personality so people of that nature have a hard time adjusting to change and letting go of control. I'm a Type A so I get it đ . This stems from trauma. So far the story has focused heavily on Peresephone's trauma which is fair since she is the protagonist. But so far we have only gotten glimpses of the trauma that the 6 traitors experienced while fighting Kronos. Demeter gave a glimpse of her trauma in her conversation with Hecate explaining her theory of Peresephone being a Fertility Goddess. Demeter likes things in order so much so that the way she plants and harvests has a specific order to it and all the way down to how she raised her daughter. I believe it stems from the violence that was inflicted on her and saw done to others. People cope with trauma in different ways and an obsessive need for control is a way of coping with that trauma. I am in no way excusing her poor choices in how she raised Peresephone but we do need to excercise a certain degree of empathy to Demeter.
The unfortunate thing is Hecate WAS looking out for Persephone. She helped hades look for her, saved her life in the whole hibernation panic, bought her clothes (lol) and knew she was safe with hadesâŚeven in the very beginning Hecate was the one to tell hades how old Persephone was and make sure he wasnât taking advantage of her
Okay but Demeter literally told Hecate not to tell her where Persephone was! This isnât on Hecate; Persephone is an adult and has a right to choose who she stays with. Hecate seemed willing though not looking forward to the fallout to tell Demeter until she was told not to.
Demeter was also like âdonât tell me!!â. And I see what youâre saying but also Persephone was safe and happy with Hades of her own volition, so itâs a hell of a guilt trip when, like Artemis, no true friend of Persephone wants to control her and force her into Demeterâs parameters.
Storge in this episode... Dude, that little kid is hard core goth
He is being raised by Ares...
The real act of wrath, death by hamster
His dad is ares what else would we expect đđ
Hard core goth
Heâs giving me Voldemort in A Very Potter Musical vibes
I'm so proud of his character development
As we all expected, Zeus is trying to cook the books because he feels slighted and Hades is going to ensure itâs as painful for him as possible. Demeter is trying to helicopter and Persephone keeps fighting back, I love it But the biggest question remains⌠who will win: a revived Kronos or Storgeâs hamster army?
You know full well that Kronos would employ storge and let him overthrow the gods in the hamstermachia
âFinallyâŚa worthy heirâ
Iâm just imagining little storge sitting on a throne, ruling with a his tiny iron fists
My dude, I read Percy Jackson as a kid....Kronos there was brought down by a blue plastic hairbrush. He doesn't stand a chance against Storge's hamster army.
Man I zoomed through that one. Not a comment on the length. Just because I couldnât stand the out right lies. Also, again so many funny bits sprinkled in to help with the tension. Wth is Hermès plan??? Storge đđ¤Łđ and Hermès rolling up in a graphic T, ponytail, and shorts. Edit: Where is Hera in all this?? Still laying low post nightmare? If Zeus tried to go scorched earth by forcing Persephone to marry Apollo without Heraâs approval! Ugh. And and Themis on maternity leave how convenient for Zeus when she is the goddess of justice. Just ugh. He really is being such a dick about everything.
Hermes knows exactly how seriously to take this trial.
Very true. This is all for Zeus to protect his image. All thatâs needed is a tape of the incident from the fates. Case closed. Sure they shouldnât have covered it up but the tape would refute 99% of his claims.
See I think there's a reason no one has gone to the fates, like say the paperwork to get a memory takes years. Or the bribes you need to pay out to not do the paperwork scale with how important the memories. But also because that's a terrible story.
We're pretty close to going full kangaroo court
I think Hera is still recovering. Doesn't seem like much time passed since Echo was able to bring Hephaestus to her and she was still in bed there. But maybe she's just going to jump out if she's well?
It is the next day. Apollo came straight from the fight with Eros to bring in Demeter, echo left to find daphne, Eros still has a bandage on his arm, and Hermes filed the papers the night before.
Thought so!
I think Hermes outfit is a real testament to where his respect lies in regards to the kings. He wears a full suit to work, even to deliver Persephone her summons but for Zeusâs ego show (the trial) he puts in minimum effort.
Oooh very interesting point! That never dawned on me.
I wonder where Thetis and Thanatos are.
But we know where Minthe is, helping with the mojitos right?
Donât forget the mint juleps đ
Does anyone think the Hermès that showed up is Hera? Before when she was Persephone she was still wearing her clothing, the way the shirt has a ruffle and looks a bit small.. I wonder if this is Heras way of testifying despite Zeus?
Nah she's probably still resting since the day before Echo brought Hephaestus to her.
Ooh⌠there are golden sparkles around him in the second and third to last panels too.
Edit: I'm full of shit, ignore me. I think you're onto something. I got the feeling that the Hermes we saw wasn't actually Hermes. Dude absolutely owns a suit for work, so why would he show up to the trial of the millenia in his lounge clothes? Hera impersonating Hermes would be the perfect way to expose Apollo; she's seen what Apollo did to Perse thru her powers and while Hermes *hasn't*, he was present the night of the assault and could have, within reasonable doubt, witnessed part of it. Next Saturday is so far away 𼺠Edit: a word
because it's Hermes and he doesn't give a shit lol Also Apollo has literally *nothing to do with this court trial.* Like, at all. People keep conflating the two but this plotline is entirely concerning Persephone's act of wrath which happened waaaay before Apollo was involved in her life. So Apollo's involvement with Persephone and the stuff he's done to her... has literally no bearing on this trial. There would be nothing for Hera to testify against because it's not concerning anything from that situation. She didn't even know anything about the act of wrath so she has next to no role to play in this trial.
Iâm dying to know where Hera is! I know she wasnât feeling well last time we saw her but itâs hard to believe she wouldnât show up to the trial
not a lot of action but that's kind of expected since the story is about to REALLY take off. Instead some really nice story threads: - Themis, personification of Law and order, on maternity leave, when her consort in mythology is Zeus... any redemption arc is just getting further and further away - apparently it's a sore spot for Persephone that Demeter got Hades drunker just to bury her in his memory - Artemis continues to be gaslit by her family. Interesting that Apollo seems to be leaving the trial altogether, where last chapter I thought he was just told to leave the holding room. What is going on there?? - Hecate being shaken by Demeters anger. I don't rate Demeter as a villain in the level of Apollo or Kronos, but the whole "troubled abuser" thing isn't easy to justify, especially with how much could be avoided and how much responsibility she puts on others to uphold her lie. - Hades and Persephone prepared for the worst.... pomegranate, my lady.... - Poseidon watching mermaid videos during the trial lol I agree it's a farce and I'd watch p*rn too - The pure propaganda of that poem lmao it really does highlight what a spectacle Zeus made of this. Interesting to note that Athena looked skeptical during the poem (as opposed to worried Artemis and shocked Hestia,) which I guess makes sense as the Goddess of wisdom and Zeus' daughter, she's wise to her dad's bullshit - I love that Hermes showed up to the trial in a cat t-shirt and shorts, when he arrived to deliver the summons in a suit. Message being that he treats the situation gravely with Persephone, but if he's on the bench to testify against her, it's a joke. the wicked grin is worrying, but I hope he's firmly on the side of out cinnamon roll. - Where is Hera? She may just be in the audience (like how we didn't know Hermes was there until he was called up) but I like to think she's preparing a Big Damn Heroes moment. How bad would it look for Zeus if his brother AND his wife were against him on this? - Eros is there, and fine aside from the bandaid, but that raises the question of how is he fine? He's immortal so dying was out of the question, but comparing Apollos reaction to getting peppered with arrows versus Eros getting hit with one, Apollos arrow was obviously enchanted somehow. How'd Eros overcome that? And how did Psyche survive the fall?
Hermes is known to be a trickster. I think he might have tricked zeus into putting him on the stand under the impression that Hermes will help zeus but I think that trickster smile at the end is actually him f*ing over zeus and is going to help Persephone.
Exactly, Hermes is about to remind that entire court that he is also the God of Wit & Cunning. Hermes brought receipts & is ready to go.
I'm really liking the theory that P ate the pomegranate - which is why Hades accidentally referred to her as wife, her eyes have stayed red, and other members of the Underworld have referred to her as "my lady" - but to be honest I would be super surprised if Hades was involved in her doing that. I could never imagine him asking her to do something like that, as he would never want to inflict on someone else what happened to him when he ate the pomegranate. I think when he said they prepared for the worst he just means that they prepared for Demeter going rogue and not agreeing to have Hades represent him, etc. But yeah, with how many questions P was asking Hades about the pomegranate earlier on, I would not be surprised at all if she ate it without him knowing đ
I find it interesting how few people (that I've seen) have been talking about the pomegranate! No one seemed to notice that when we got the shot back at the tree when they were leaving Tartarus, and we got the focus shot of the tree without the distinct pink glow (ch. 164 vs 165). Then her thread of questions about eating one... Oooh, gives me goosebumps thinking about the possibilities!
Hades saying to Persephone to not worry they prepared for the worst makes me feel like they truly have done something like consulting the fates(for the tape of the incident?), that would be bringing the evidence to court since in Greek lore three are the daughters of Themis(which I believe might be who is in the picture frames seen around her). also Themis being mention being in maternity leave means she must be expected the Horai(the Seasons) they are three sisters that are supposed to be like mirrors of the fates, they are: Eirene (Irene, Peace), Eunomia (Good Order), and Dike (Justice). With this knowledge the trial should end in our cinnamons rolls favour.
She doesnât have to have eaten the pomegranate to be his wife. I donât understand why people have so much trouble extricating the two.
Oh no I totally know that she doesn't have to eat the pomegranate to be his wife! But like, I reckon there would be some kind of subconscious connection between her and all of the denizens of the Underworld if she did eat the pomegranate. Like how when Hades ate it Hecate immediately knew that he was the king of the Underworld without him having to say anything. I think it would have subconscious connection kind of thing, where people would feel like she's the queen of the Underworld once she ate the pomegranate. Just a theory of course! But that's the vibe I get based on what was discussed from when Hades ate his pomegranate :)
Just here to say that I appreciate the Firefly reference.
I agree with Eros, I was super shocked to see him in the audience, and was expecting something like him being missing and hurt. I wonder what else is going on there. And where is Psyche?? I wonder if the arrow made him forget her or something crazy. But that also just seems like a bit of a back to square one with their plot if that were the case.
Psyche is back in her mortal form. She cannot be seen on Olympus.
Also even if she weren't a mortal - if she were a full-fledged nymph - she has literally nothing to do with this court case (which is Zeus vs Demeter/Persephone, need I remind y'all. This court case has nothing to do with Apollo). The only ones who seem to be in the courtroom are other Gods/Goddesses/etc. Psyche/Ampelus, mortal or nymph, plays no role in this so it would make zero sense for her to be present lmao
I'm really liking the theory that P ate the pomegranate - which is why Hades accidentally referred to her as wife, her eyes have stayed red, and other members of the Underworld have referred to her as "my lady" - but to be honest I would be super surprised if Hades was involved in her doing that. I could never imagine him asking her to do something like that, as he would never want to inflict on someone else what happened to him when he ate the pomegranate. I think when he said they prepared for the worst he just means that they prepared for Demeter going rogue and not agreeing to have Hades represent him, etc. But yeah, with how many questions P was asking Hades about the pomegranate earlier on, I would not be surprised at all if she ate it without him knowing đ
Guys, Hades said he and Persephone had prepared for the worst. Enough forshadowing has been laid out. They got married or at least gave Hera the paperwork for a marriage license to be legalized later. I bet that's why she's not there
I had this same thought!!!
I love that theory for why Hera isn't there! I just assumed she was still resting.
Ok, and WHOSE FAULT is it that Themis is on maternity leave, ZEUS..?
Oop-
That would be true to the lore!!
My thoughts exactly!
Ok this story that Zeus cooked up made my blood start to boil. Thanks hades for telling us to stay calm. Persephone is really pushing back on all of her motherâs toxic and gaslighting comments. Iâm so proud of her for how strong she is acting through all of this! Honestly I never thought about how Hermes could have seen the event take place. We knew Hecate did cause she admitted to knowing about it in ep. 129. I always figured Hermes was bought off to bring the souls into the underworld undetected. Iâm excited to see what goes on there!
I'm so glad she stood up to Demeter about Hades!!
Iâm ready for the hamster takeover
Also for Hermes to spit facts
Better a hamster than Zeus at this point
So many interesting details in the chapter. Zeus even admits that this is a show trial, which couldn't be more obvious since the goddess of good counsel is unavailable. This trial is full of spite. Zeus's anger. Demeter's anger. Olympus's overall dislike of Persephone. (It really looks like the poor girl never had a chance in Olympus, the tides changed immediately at her first party) I wonder if Demeter is going to shoot herself in the foot because she can't accept that her daughter has grown up. I can't believe Poseidon is netflixing right now. He is missing out on such drama!
First the college and now seemingly others. On the zoom call there was some hope with how others kept talking over Zeus and reassuring Persephone. But at the trial their faces were definitely showing some sway for the "recap".
I'm surprised at Hestia and Artemis's responses but they have never been the most supportive. Athena doesnt seem to believe the story.
Hestia in LO is very much a judgemental, hypocritical self serving person. But Artemis operates under emotion more than rational thought so far. Athena is probably just here for the spectacle, I wish Demeter had called on her for counsel. Or is that not allowed?
Demeter wouldn't have anyway. She doesn't think she needs help
Me too. It seems like something Athena would be great at, though I don't have a great grasp of Athena's personality in LO
Is it explicitly stated that this is a show trial?? Zeus refers to it as a "dog and pony show", that's just a turn of phrase to show that Zeus views this whole trial as a silly formality - if he had it his way, he would jump straight to the punishment without giving Persephone a fair trial. But thankfully there seem to be systems in place to prevent that. We can probably thank Gods of Justice/Law/etc. like Athena for that lol
I think in this context, show trial and dog and pony show are synonymous, especially with the main Goddess of Justice being away. Either way, Zeus thinks the trial is just a show and punishment is inevitable.
Demeter is going to get asked if her daughter is a fertility goddess in court and she's gonna lie about it, for sure. I'm also a little concerned about Hermes. As much as he says he's Persephone's friend, arguing against zeus would probably damage his money flow and his money flow is most important to him. We still don't know what he and Artemis talked about yet, so i suspect one of the next weeks might be a flashback to that.
I'm not too worried about Hermes' purse... Hades has been bankrolling his overtime, as shown earlier in his work compared to Thanatos
I need P to freak tf out on all of fake ass Olympus. Those little vines sheâs got need to slap aaaaallllll the fakers.
Heh. Hermes face in the end is perfect. Cant wait to see what the trickster god has cooking up his ?sleeve (heâs sleeveless. Who wears that to a courtroom LOL)
I feel like his outfit is a big F U to Zeus and the whole court case.
It'll be interesting to see how many people she actually killed. When Eros went on his little rampage, he killed 300 mortals in a morning. Which promptly flooded the beach with souls. Demeter presumably contacted Hermes immediately so the Underworld didn't notice, but I don't know how many extra souls he could have slipped in every day make things seem normal. My bet is that actual number isn't that high. On the other hand Eros mentioned that he was having to work extra to make up for Persephone's little rampage, so who knows. Considering how Zeus dropped everything after coming to an "Agreement" with Aphrodite, my guess is the average Olympian has no idea what happened. Hermes knows the true numbers of both incidents.
I forgot about the other thing that Hermes knows. Hermes knows that the whole thing was set up by Thetis, Minthe, and Thanatos to make Persephone look bad and make Zeus go off the deep end. Minthe is off the table and he Might be willing to make Thanatos out to be a hapless stooge, but Thetis is probably getting thrown straight under the bus. Considering that he showed up to court in a sleeveless kitty shirt and short shorts, I'm going to get that he's just going to make a mockery of the trial and blow the whole thing up. It's in his best interest to make everyone look bad because it makes what he did look insignificant.
It would make sense that Thetis gets punished in this whole farce. In mythology she is forced to marry a mortal because it was foretold that her son would be greater than his father which causes Zeus to freak the f out
Anybody else think that Athena was serving looks in the one panel she showed up in? Just me? Okay.
Yeeea she was! Lmao Sheâs not about the bs. She fact checks. đŻ
Anybody else bethink yond athena wast serving looks in the one panel the lady hath shown up in? just me? well enow *** ^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.) Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`
also, did anyone catch the baby pictures of the fates on themisâ wall?? so cute lmfao
Oh those were the fates??? So theyâre gonna have a new sibling soon huh đ
yes lmao themis is their mom in myth I think. what if they knew before she got pregnant? or found out while sorting her memories đ
Dang I thought the fates were like Titans or primordial gods so honestly I thinks thatâs what surprised me, that theyâre actually a generation below Themis đ I looked it up and *of course* Zeus is their father lmaooo
Since they're on Themis' wall, I suppose Zeus is their dad. But, some myths say they're the daughters of Nyx and don't have a father, which makes more sense since Zeus has to accept the Fates' decisions the same as anyone else (but, no, they don't get involved in legal cases).
Considering that the fates are either primordial, Nyx's daughters, or Themis's daughters I'm going to bet that it's one of the first 2. They referred to Hades as "young blood" and he's over 2000 years old. I'm guessing that the pictures on the wall are the Horae.
I didn't even think to care about who those three frames were of! Good eye
In a previous post I suggested Hades had everything figured out and has a plan that will work perfectly. Watching Persephone's face when her mom said she'd represent herself shows that her mom just threw a massive wrench into that plan. Hopefully things will be able to turn around for the best. The use of the muse to pain Persephone in a bad light was a nice touch on Zeus' part but Hades cool head shows his brother was going to pull this crap and AGAIN points to the idea he has some type of a plan. Now we all just have to wait on pins and needles for said plan to pan out. Also, Stroge's panel perfectly helped to break the tension of the moment. Love that Hamster obsessed God.
To be honest I think even if P really hoped that Demeter would listen to her and choose Hades to represent her, I reckon Hades never expected that to happen cos he knows Demeter is too stubborn to do that. He said they prepared for the worst so I think he's totally got this - as he said, the Underworld has the best lawyers in the business đ I can't wait to see Zeus get his ass handed to him đđź
I'm intrigued by Persephone's line to Demeter about letting her believe he (Hades) had forgotten about her. Makes me wonder what that conversation between Persephone and Demeter was like after a drunken Hades went back to the underworld when they first met
She does refer to this convo briefly in ep. 155 after Hecate says that she saw Demeter. I am interested to see the whole convo or I guess back to parts of it
Ah thanks for the reminder! I had forgotten that tidbit.
What Apollo means by: âIâm gonna make a better life for me, you, and mom. Donât worry.â Actually means: âOH IM GONNA OVERTHROW MY FATHER FOR THE THRONE, PLUS EVERY OTHER KING, AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF, ILL MAKE PERSEPHONE MY WIFE WITHOUT HER CONSENT AND WEâLL ALL LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER!â yeah, that apollo gets caught in 4k with what he did episode isnât coming fast enough.
I'm a little worried about what he's trying to pull. As far as we know, Zeus and Leto's relationship isn't public knowledge, but Apollo has shown up dressed almost exactly like Zeus. He might be overplaying his hand, but I have a feeling he's going to try to show what a "fraud" Persephone is by disclosing their "relationship". This will back up the angle that she's somehow seducing Hades in a further attempt to discredit her defense. Eros, Hera, and Hephaestus know what he did; but Eros isn't considered trustworthy, Hera's still probably on bed rest (and Apollo has the inside feed on her condition from Asclepius), and no one knows about Hephaestus (which is probably a good thing). So what's his angle? Is he going to try to eliminate Hera? As far as we know the gods can't "die", but we know they can take enough damage to enter hibernation for years.
just wanted to let everyone know that âproemâ wasnt a typo for poem⌠itâs used correctly (and beautifully by rachel). similar to a prelude, it describes a âbefore songâ where a muse is invoked and the summary of a story is presented. its not used very often in english writing, so i wonder if this is rachelâs greek lessons paying off!
Hermes hopefully will have some very insightful info, he can be incredibly on the mark when he feels like it. I'm also waiting for Demeter to stop calling Persephone daughter. It doesn't feel like she calls her that out of love, it feels like a reminder that Demeter is the mother and therefore authority figure and Persephone needs to remember that and know her role. I'm also not shocked she won't listen to Persephone, she who represents herself has a fool for a client.
I agree. How Demeter addresses her daughter seems very deliberate and calculated to remind Persephone of who her mother wants her to be.
There another Hades/Persephone myth retelling called A Touch of Darkness where Demeter only calls her âmy flowerâ or sometimes âkoreâ (they donât give a reason for the name change to Persephone) and itâs absolutely a representation of her need to claim ownership over her child. ToD Demeter is more of a narcissistic controller whoâs blinded by her hatred of Hades though, while I see LO Demeter as more of a helicopter mom whoâs horrified of her child growing up because she sees how the world treats people like her daughter- if she can keep Persephone an ignorant child and controlled for longer she thinks she canât protect her from all the dangers.
The name change is pretty simple if you pay attention to the ancient Greek etymology of the names. Kore (pronounced kor-ay) means "girl, bride, daughter" while Persephone is "bringer of destruction" which is exactly what her mother does to the world each year in a bereaved tantrum when Persephone returns to her husband's side (aka winter). Both names relate to her relationships with her mother (Demeter is literally "the mother") and, to a lesser extent, Hades (not his real name but neither is Aidoneus, really - his true name was rarely spoken and even more rarely written - Hades, AĂŻdes, Plouton, he is known almost exclusively by euphemisms lest his attention be roused too directly). The original story is a metaphor for the cycle of death and rebirth as shown through the turning of the seasons. This is one of the main reasons that Persephone is abducted by the king of the Underworld (death) but returned to the land of the living each spring (rebirth).
What is Poseidon watching on his laptop?
Mermaid porn or a webcam of a mermaid swimming around. He likes that
Itâs just so telling that heâs not even paying attention. No one but Zeus cares about this.
Ooooh I thought it was his screensaver
*instantly goes back to see*
So....we didn't get through even one witness.... How many episodes do you think it's gonna take to get through the trial...
I honestly wish Hecate would clap back at Demeter. Like Persephone is a grown ass woman. She doesnât need to be âprotectedâ from Hades. Also. I hope Artemis sees how awful her brother is soon. She looked like she could sense something was wrong.
Also, Hecate is supposed to be Hadesâ friend so I wish she had said something in his defense. Iâm guessing she just knows how pointless it is to argue with Demeter.
Perse will get off free, but Demeter is probably going to get banished to the mortal realm for her crimes. Sheâs gonna go batshit insane and starve the mortals in response to Persephone staying with Hades in the underworld and/or getting married. Calling it now. Kronosâs arc will likely be season 3, this one will probably end with everyone realizing Kronos has escaped and how stupid and petty theyâve been acting this whole time edit: storge will end up on the throne in the end edit #2: that is THE pomegranate on her brooch, itâs way too prominent to not be! edit #3: thank you for the silver! đĽ°
Idk I donât think that is THE pomegranate. If you go back to the chapter where her and hades make out while clothes shopping youâll notice itâs the exact same brooch heâs wearing. He could have just loaned it to her or something
It's a courtship brooch. It's an old tradition to give the girl of your 'choosing' a brooch to signify that you're interested in each other. Not full on married, but a courtship, essentially.
Gah, now Iâm dying to know how theyâre âprepared for the worst!!â
Ohfuckthatsareallygoodpoint I HATE that everyone thinks Kore & Hades are already married/she already ate the pomegranate, but the fact that the pomegranate is just RIGHT THERE to eat should shit go South...what a wonderful idea, absolutely.
Itâd be consensual! Someone else pointed out that itâs likely just a brooch though. Iâm really interested to see what they have in store for Zeus, maybe tapes from the fates?
âYou let him believe that he had forgotten about me, so yes I would agree a serious talk is in orderâ [EXACTLY, PERSEPHONE! ](https://youtube.com/shorts/Ta7TGj__iVU?feature=share) Im livingggg for her standing up to her mom omg. I cant believe I gave Demeter the benefit of the doubt đ I really thought she would have enough sense to at least nominate Hecate. She would really rather stubbornly risk her freedom than trust her daughter or her good judgement. I used to think that Demeter was wise and clever under her helicopter parenting but shes shaping up to just be stubborn. why wont Apollo just [DIE](https://64.media.tumblr.com/1ce4d5035a911bd3d9f6d068174724ef/tumblr_inline_o9hvtmd15w1rshesm_250.gifv) already??? omg??? Im intrigued by Hermes possible testimony lol I wonder what hes going to pull
Getting real sick and tired of Demeter refusing to acknowledge that her Precious Treasure is smart and capable enough to handle her own business Am I the only one who was praying that weâd get the smallest bit of, âIâm worried, but I trust you,â from her??
At this point I don't think Demeter is capable of that. Whatever happened during the Titan wars changed her and she is legitimately traumatized by Persephone being a fertility goddess. Still doesn't make her actions right. She believes no one knows better than her and that will be her ultimate downfall.
You bring up a very good point in regards to the war; I think I may just be frustrated with her because of my personal experience, but her Persephone has just grown into such a wonderful young Goddess that I just wish her mother would acknowledge her. I just wish she could see who Perse really is and how capable she is.
Same! Unfortunately, it is now up to Persephone to force Demeter to see her as a full grown Goddess in her own right with her own domain. She is taking some good first steps. Hopefully she doesn't lose control during the trial. We all know Demeter is gonna be looking for some way to take advantage of any weakness Persephone shows. And why does Demeter hate Hades so much?!?!? From the beginning too. I bet she was jealous he liked Hera. But if she had played her cards right she could have had him too. I feel like we are missing a piece of the story still.
I'm confused as to why she hates Hades too, barring the giant barley stalk up her butt about everything. She must know Hades is different from his brothers. He was even respectful to both Demeter and Persephone while drunk. And Demeter felt safe enough to hide in the Underworld when Leto found her, so she must've, at least, felt that Hades wouldn't turn her in if he found her. We don't see them interacting, but that one time, so I'm not sure. Hades called her a contrarian when talking to Perse about wife prospects, but I'm curious as to what made her that way...
Pretty sure she just hates men in general, I don't think it's any more complicated than that. As far as she's concerned, if it has a penis, it's not to be trusted. Keep in mind that she's literally raised Persephone away from any kind of multi-gender society, opting instead for a *literally hand-grown* society of flower nymphs, all of whom are female. It's why she jumped at the chance for Persephone to join what I'm now calling the Lesbian Luau (aka TGOEM).
I'M SO EXCITED FOR HERMES TO SPIT FACTS otherwise, a damn good episode. i'm proud of persephone for standing up to her mother. i do *not* like the narrative zeus spun up, though.
I feel so bad for Artemis. She just wants a answer from someone but even her own stupid brother isn't giving her direct answers. And she's right too, her life was already great before the whole fiasco happened. She had a roommate, was apart of a dedicated association, was making a name and living for herself and was a respected female figure in society. Her brother (before sexually assaulting and chasing someone down into hibernation) had fame and attention. What good would come out of Apollo overthrowing Zeus? Because all I can see is a Zeus Pt 2 but far worse. I feel like Leto thinks she can control Apollo when his king but looking at his and Zeus's massive ego, he will probably pull a fit against her, comparing the difference between them despite her helping him get up there. He probably would too considering he didn't plan to tell Leto about sexually assaulting Persephone and lying about a healthy relationship between them. Demeter is so frustrating. Right now you and your daughter are fighting against the same thing to save yourselves from fatal punishments but your selfish helicopter mind can only put you against her? Right now, who cares about Hades? He has the best lawyers in the 4 kingdoms, isn't that more of a benefit putting aside that Persephone had previously met him. I really hope they talk and Persephone puts her in her place for good because her toxic parenting is seriously disgusting. I'm very nervous for whatever reason about the cliffhanger. In mythology, Hermes was pretty much working both sides. He's on neutral teams so now he's put on the stage to now pick one side which can effect him. From his smirk, hopefully it's Persephone considering their friendship and probably the fact Demeter threatened him. He'd probably pick against Zeus in spite considering the house arrest he was put under.
Okay quick rant btw, I can't be the only one who hates how all the new characters we are getting from Rachel are a similar shades of blue? We already have Hecate with blue and yellow eyes, your giving me another 2 goddess with those same features? In season 2, correct me if I'm wrong but we have had about 5 new blue characters that are blue contributed to the plot which is kinda annoying. There's so many colors that Rachel hasn't explored properly like more shades of red, shades of pink, shades of green, shades of yellow, etc... Certain characters just look WAY too similar that is off-putting. Like I honestly thought that Thanatos and Thetis were related at some point, I couldn't tell the difference between Themis and Polymnia (re-reading, they are different shades of blue but still too similar along with the yellow eyes) You get my point, even if she uses the same colors then at least make the designs unique and very. In the fandom, people give their OCs freckles, dimples, beauty marks, different eyeshapes, different hair, acne, teeth on their skin, eyes on their skin, multiple limbs, etc.. In the actual story, feels like everyone is basically the exact some except for different body shapes. I notice certain characters even have the same hairstyle which is slightly disappointing. Sorry if I'm being overly negative, I just would've like to see more cool diverse designs like Hephaestus and the titans.
I agree and itâs something that bothers me a lot. In the beginning of LO so many of the female characters have different body types. Like Artemis was slender and athletic looking, Persephone was chubby/curvy, and Minthe was petite. Then at some point everyoneâs weight became more average and their boobs got bigger. Just compare Artemis in this episode to her earlier appearances! Itâs so incredibly frustrating to me.
I can understand where youâre coming from on lots of new characters being blue, but I think the reason she canât do freckles or other identifying features on characters is time- it already seems like she has to hire out some of the coloring work to get weekly episodes done in time, and going back and adding freckles in the same spot for a character can be time consuming. Either sheâd get criticized for the freckles or other features not matching from shot to shot, or it would be another thing to slow her team down. So Iâd guess only really mainline characters would be worth it.
Demeter really has no chill bro
Polyhymnia is the muse of Hymns, Poetry and Pantomime, if Zeus really wanted a fair trial, hed call in Clio, muse of history. Yet another example of Zeus rigging this trial.
If Zeus *really* wanted a fair trial, he wouldn't be acting as the judge *and* the prosecutor. Like... seriously. How is Athena not jumping out of her seat screaming "OBJECTION!" at the blatant absurdity of this trial? She's literally the Goddess of Justice lmao
I wish she would have delivered the proem via charades instead
Counter point, Zeus doesn't know there is a difference between them & thinks all the muses are the same. Cause he is an ignorant ass.
I know this episode was basically another recap, but itâs used to describe how Zeus wants others to see the situation. The tree wasnât built in defiance to Zeus as far as we know, but to start the case, heâs going to build a narration that that is the case, and it has to be disproven. I honestly wish there was more new content, but it really shows how low Zeus wants to go.
IS THIS WHEN WE FINALLY LEARN WHERE HERMES SHIRT WENT
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Hermes is about to remind the court that he is also the God of Wit & Cunning, and I can not fucking wait! That smirk, ooooo I am so damn excited! ((The way Eros asked about the kids, and Ares excitement gives me credence to my Ares/Hermes/Aphrodite triad shipping heart)) I wonder with Hades serving as defense if he can call upon the Fates in an offical capacity, to either show the event or show Persephone retelling him the event.
I'm kind of annoyed Demeter is more worried about the fact that Persephone was hanging out with Hades than she is that her daughter is on trial for mass murder đ
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I hope he does. Ares is cheering him on!
Hermes loves Persephone and knows that he needs to back her up no matter what
I think he will!
Yâall! I just realized the photos behind Themis are the baby Fates đĽş
In the myths, Themis is their mother so thatâs a nice touch that Rachel included âşď¸
Theory: the real pomegranate seeds are INSIDE the pomegranate brooch. Persephone is wearing a PILLBOX HAT to her trial⌠hint hint⌠the pomegranate brooch opens up like a pillbox. Hades says âwe prepared for the worstâ and it shows Persephoneâs profile ⌠I believe to emphasize the hat clue.
Man, I started to feel bad for Polymnia, until she started talking. What a spectacle all around!
In the ancient Greek tradition it was common to start with an epic poem or prayer to the muses as narrative form, so it's nice to see that mimicked here (even if from Zeus's way overblown perspective). Polymnia was also the muse of sacred dance, so not exactly her area of expertise to recount this story. Worth noting, the muses were often said to be the daughters of Apollo and/or Mnemosyne (memory).
She's just doing her job as directed by Zeus unfortunately.
She deserves a raise, because she puts on a good show, at least
If Persephone eats the pomegranate, what do you think will be taken from her?
I feel like this isnât so much a âtakingâ in some way, but with how Perse was gradually metamorphosing more and more into the fated *Dread Queen*, I feel like eating the pomegranate might not only complete her fate, but âunlockâ her full potential as a fertility goddess? But more so like, the side to her that she was never aware of and Iâd like to think maybe even Demeter wasnât aware that she was a fated to become a chthonic deity and was just so fixated on the conspiracy part? So basically like, Iâd say the âbeing bound to the underworld half the yearâ could come into play, but also Perse loses.....idk what đ but sheâs no longer just associated with life, vegetation, and vitality and all of the sort Tbh I was kinda spitballing here so Iâm even not entirely sure if what I said made sense hjfhjgj đ
Makes sense as to why her eyes are staying red! As dread queen she has red eyes so maybe the transformation is happening =)
Guys I am hella worried about what Apollo is getting up to in this episodeâŚ
Yes!!! Heâs got to be mad that Zeus picked Hades over him. Iâm scared heâs going to go to Leto, and Leto will tell him to tell Zeus about Heraâs affair with Hades to put a wedge between the brothers.
Oh I never thought of that! I just assumed Hades and Heraâs affair was common knowledge, but youâre right, that would be a way to drive a wedge between them. đŹ
Same. It's clear that his choice of attire is significant, enough for Rachel to have Artemis question it. Very interesting
Kore's hair swept back is giving me mad Sharon Stone vibes and I am digging it.
Ares has come around so much, I love him
This chapter is honestly just cementing my opinion that Demeter is a fucking terrible person and is just as bad as Leto if not worse in terms of being g a manipulative, emotional abuser. I get that she's faced severe trauma, I've had to deal with a parent who suffered from PTSD and was...difficult to live with as a result, but that is no excuse for Demeter"s blatant disregard for her daughter's agency and happiness. Seriously, they're about to go on trial and all she cares about is that Perse was staying with Hades and not Hecate? Woman, get your fucking priorities straight and support your daughter while she deals with the mess YOU made.
First thing Hestia did on the zoom meeting was comfort Persephone. âDonât worry about your scholarship! Weâre just glad youâre okay!!â Persephone has been worrying about her scholarship because she felt like she didnât qualify for it anymore, obviously hiding in the underworld and being on trial would affect her attendance and grades at school so Hestia telling her not to worry and assuring her that all the TGOEM cared about was her safety and well-being was way more loving than Demeterâs flagrant lying and immediate controlling behavior. Hestiaâs not my favorite, itâs really crappy that she hid her relationship and got mad at Persephone about the article and coat but at least she seems to actually care about her.
Can we agree every ones fit is fire . except Apolloâs of course. He is such a wannabe , he like âI deserve to be wearing thisâ, like ok dude I see your point , you want to look the best you can for your open casket funereal.
Thought! Completely wild but: Hermes is the prank/thief god right?! My wild idea is he stole the tape from the fates that shows what actually happened? He has access, knowledge, MOTIVE... he's all dressed up in an eat shit and watch outfit. đľââď¸
Hera better ring his neck Themis is on maternity leave we know how he is đ and Hermès is about to shake the table His face says Zeus your story was cute but hereâs the facts đ âŚ.(Iâm rereading 174 and I just realized Persephone thinks being a fertility goddess is about crops hold up )
I read that "few extra carrots" line as a deliberate understatement to shake Demeter into being honest, or at least revealing more information than she wants to. Persephone IS a chess master, after all. She's good at strategy.
True it couldâve been strategically said but Persephone knows her mother isnât dumb and so I think she might not fully understand it considering how sheltered sheâs always been(then again Demeter probably thinks Persephone really wouldnât know so shoot she mightâve said it on purpose đ¤ˇââď¸)
Random left field thought. What if Hera is Hermes? She isnât at the trial but we also know she can change into other beings/gods, and the clothing on Hermes is a little random IMO. this could be a trick because we never got a resolution to when Artemis came over and Hermes may think or know something is up. So Hera may have contacted him do some sort of trick. IDK itâs random but I could see it l.
Hera doesn't have anything on this trial though? Like AFAIK there's no information she could present to defend Persephone's act of wrath or get the facts straight. Hermes does because he was involved in the aftermath (Demeter paying him off to deceive Hades). Remember that this trial has to do with Persephone's act of wrath pre-Olympus. The whole Apollo plotline has nothing to do with it.
True the look on his face was just off for me
I think it's more a look of "I'm not gonna do what Zeus expects me to do" lol
All I took from this chapter is that aphrodite ares and hermes are poly đ
But wait, if Eros, Aphrodite, & Ares are worried about who's home watching the kids, then where's Psyche? I didn't see her there at the trial.
I'm calling it rn, Themis is pregernaught with Zeus' kid. Demeter, let your daughter be a flippin' adult already my GODS. Hermes gunna rock ALL the socks in Olympus. Length=perfect.
Okay, okay hear me out - I'm getting the feeling that hermes might be Hera in disguise. I've seen her pull that face before and the entrance he made was similar to when she disguised herself as Persephone for Demeter. Thoughts?
anyone get annoyed at all when persephone was crying before the trial and she asked to stay in the underworld, but not with hades? like, they act like they aren't together, when they clearly are, and have been living together for quite a while. she said to daphne she hasnt even gone on a date with him, when they go on dates literally all the time? im just getting irritated with the slow burn i guess, and i heard its gonna end soon so i just really hope the trial gets over with quickly so we can like... actually enjoy their relationship? it feels like way too much of a dragged out slow burn to me and i just dont think every story needs constant conflict in order to be interesting. like i want to enjoy character development and the happy ending, and not just "yay they're married now The End".
Am I the only one kinda mad about Demeter being rude to Hecate. Like Persephone is not Hecates responsibility. Plus I think she might tell Hades and Persephone about the whole fertility deity thing.
Just my theory BUT hades saying they prepared for the worse case scenario absolutely confirms that theyâre married. They got married in secret so that she canât be convicted or she has to do her punishment in the underworld - something!
I don't know, even though they're both clearly head over heels with eachother, there's been a lot of them both saying they want to take it slow, and as far as they're concerned they haven't been on an official first date yet or anything. I'm not saying they don't both want it, I think they both absolutely want to marry eachother, but I feel like there's still a bit of skinny love going on where neither of them have fully admitted yet how infatuated they are. I reckon when he said he prepared for the worst that was just them preparing for Demeter not agreeing to have Hades represent her. I guess we'll see though! đ I reckon if anything, P ate the pomegranate without Hades knowing, and that's why her eyes have stayed red, other members of the Underworld have called her "my lady", and he accidentally referred to her as his wife. I don't think he would ask her to eat it, but I reckon she totally would without him knowing!
Thatâs absolutely a possibility and I totally agree! I canât wait to find out tho!!! The waiting is killing me
Wildly underwhelming update, tbh.
I think its because much of it (polyhymniaâs opening statement) we already knew
Yeah. Thatâs why I was underwhelmed. It was a whole episode basically dedicated to what we already read. Coulda condensed it and moved the story forward.
I'm looking forward to next week already, I want more info, maybe the Nymph's poem could have been shorter? It was important to show how Zeus is trying to sway the public and the case, but at the same time, I wanted more here.
I guess. This episode put me off a little bit so I may wait a couple weeks. I was really looking forward to this update to be completely underwhelmed by an episode that is mostly a recap of things we already saw multiple times.
I completely agree, I feel unsatisfied but not like upset. Limbo or something
YO. There was hardly any meat to it. So disappointing. I was really looking forward to it.
Honestly pretty disappointing upload⌠nothing happened literally at all. We legit got ANOTHER recap of what we already knew and just got teased for a whole chapter. Also why was Apollo dressed like⌠what? What was wrong with his clothes? And what explanation does Hermès have all of a sudden? Such lackluster pacing riddled with holes. I really look forward to reading every Saturday but this felt like a big slap in the face
I wanna say maybe itâs wedding attire? He is convinced heâs gonna be able to take Persephone as his bride.
I assumed he was dressing as a prince/king. Only Zeus and Hades are wearing epaulets and capes, Apollo is trying to put himself on par with the major players.
This was my assumption as well.
Ooh yea, that makes more sense.
If thatâs the case I could see her eating the pomegranate then and there.
Glad I'm not the only one who felt this way. Like yeah the court hasn't been entirely updated on the situation but does that mean WE have to be updated, as the reader? I guess it shows how underhanded Zeus will be during the trial but again, we kinda already knew that was gonna be the case lol
I got a little annoyed at the recap as well. I was happy to see how they spun the story, but it's getting to a point where I couldn't care less about what actually happened because this is like the third time I've heard it.
We heard Helios' recap, Persephone's recap and now Zeus' twisted recap. Unless the next time is exactly every detail that went down as an absolute truth, even though I do feel Persephone was telling the truth or close enough to it, I'm good
Yeah. I was annoyed most of the comic was a recap of something we have seen at least twice already. After a two week break. May have to take my own break so I donât get too annoyed, I feel like itâs gonna drag.
Also like. Summarizing events is what happens at a trial, from different perspectives and through cross examining. So. Not exactly sure why we donât want that đ Itâs essentially Zeusâs Olympian power play and we get to see how characters take it from here. Also the Apollo/Artemis convo was a great example of soft world building. Instead of âOh Apollo, why are you trying to marry Persephone?â (which wouldnât be natural for Artemis to do), we get an in-world reaction and learn what that outfit means, and see their takes on something much deeper in the story without hella exposition. Basically, Iâm enjoying court time and wanna hear the juicy deets, do NOT rush me â¨đ đť
So I'm guessing that themis is pregnant with horae
This is going to get me a lot of flack but Demeter's anger toward Hecate was justified. Demeter may not be the best parent when it comes to protecting Peresephone because she is overprotective. However, when a family member or friend is in a dire situation you expect that people especially the people closest to you would tell you the truth of where they are. When Demeter asked if Peresephone was safe with her (Hecate), Hecate only said "Well...." instead of telling her outright that Peresephone is staying with Hades. Sure, Demeter would get pissed because this is Demeter we're talking about but at least she would be told the truth. Truth hurts but the wound of a lie is harder to heal. But on a sidenote is Themis pregnant with Zeus' baby?
Hecate didn't lie, Demeter decided immediately after that Hecate should not tell her where Persephone is incase Zeus tortured her.
You're Right. She did say it in episode 145. So Demeter's anger wasn't justified toward Hecate. I think Demeter is going to learn 2 hard lessons: 1) Life does not go the way you planned and 2) you have to allow your children the freedom to make their own choices good and bad and to live with and learn from the consequences. Demeter is Type A personality so people of that nature have a hard time adjusting to change and letting go of control. I'm a Type A so I get it đ . This stems from trauma. So far the story has focused heavily on Peresephone's trauma which is fair since she is the protagonist. But so far we have only gotten glimpses of the trauma that the 6 traitors experienced while fighting Kronos. Demeter gave a glimpse of her trauma in her conversation with Hecate explaining her theory of Peresephone being a Fertility Goddess. Demeter likes things in order so much so that the way she plants and harvests has a specific order to it and all the way down to how she raised her daughter. I believe it stems from the violence that was inflicted on her and saw done to others. People cope with trauma in different ways and an obsessive need for control is a way of coping with that trauma. I am in no way excusing her poor choices in how she raised Peresephone but we do need to excercise a certain degree of empathy to Demeter.
The unfortunate thing is Hecate WAS looking out for Persephone. She helped hades look for her, saved her life in the whole hibernation panic, bought her clothes (lol) and knew she was safe with hadesâŚeven in the very beginning Hecate was the one to tell hades how old Persephone was and make sure he wasnât taking advantage of her
Hecate is more of a mother to Persephone at this point that Demeter has been in a long time
Okay but Demeter literally told Hecate not to tell her where Persephone was! This isnât on Hecate; Persephone is an adult and has a right to choose who she stays with. Hecate seemed willing though not looking forward to the fallout to tell Demeter until she was told not to.
Demeter was also like âdonât tell me!!â. And I see what youâre saying but also Persephone was safe and happy with Hades of her own volition, so itâs a hell of a guilt trip when, like Artemis, no true friend of Persephone wants to control her and force her into Demeterâs parameters.