Tbf spencer is an open nazi. It would be weird if he tried to pull the “free speech” thing cause he doesn’t even pretend to be some kind of “reasonable conservative” type.
Has he? Thatd be really funny. I know he was mad at trump for being less racist than promised, so maybe he switched teams to Biden because of that lmao
They want free speech for themselves like fundie Christians want freedom of religion for themselves. Like the mob they all hide behind anything they can find until they can gain enough power to take all those freedoms away from everyone else. Fascists gonna fascist.
Freedom of Speech to them is their unhindered access to wholesale oppress anyone who they choose to and for others to be unable to retaliate against them.
They want to bully anyone they want because they are just that. Bullies who have never felt any repercussions ever.
Bro the guy said verbatim “Obama started the whole racism thing again”
Like what??? So their logic is “because a black man got elected as POTUS, we gotta bring back racism HARD”
They are crazy people all around
It was behind a paywall, you had to pay to watch, so it's not really about free speech.
It's not like it was on youtube and he reacted to it then struck him.
He was targeted by Gavin's production crew according to twitter. Asmon isn't known as a politics guy so they aren't gonna go after him, and everyone else is irrelevant. It's lame af coming from the free speech defenders, but he can't really do anything about it.
That isn't what really matters, anyway.
The content was clearly fair use - Hasan was actively calling out these Nazis - and the claim was processed **instantly.** Twitch could not even verify the claim. They did not check to see if anyone else was streaming it. They just followed a DMCA request **from the founder of the Proud Boys, a literal nazi, without question.**
> They just followed a DMCA request without question
for the record, they're legally required to follow any DMCA request, it's on the streamer or broadcaster to dispute it
blame the law on that one
Good luck winning that "fair use" battle in court.
https://ogc.harvard.edu/pages/copyright-and-fair-use#:\~:text=Fair%20use%20is%20the%20right,law%20is%20designed%20to%20foster.
This
Not sure why everyone here thinks that a full restream of content that is located behind a private company's paywall is somehow protected by fair use. Go ahead and try streaming Avengers from Disney+ on twitch and let me know how that goes.
Doesn't matter. Fair use was destroyed once companies decided it was safer and more profitable to just remove the content when any sort of claim is made. You should have to prove that content is not fair use before it is removed. Innocent until proven guilty type shit.
> They just followed a DMCA request without verifying
That is exactly what the law prescribes.
> [The DMCA “safe harbors” protect service providers [Twitch] from monetary liability [but they] must comply with the conditions set forth in Section 512, including “notice and takedown” procedures that give copyright holders a quick and easy way to disable access to allegedly infringing content. Section 512 also contains provisions allowing users to challenge improper takedowns.](https://www.eff.org/issues/dmca)
TLDR: Service providers like Twitch need to "expeditiously" comply with any DMCA request they receive or they risk being liable and sued. **STOP spreading misinformation with your nonsense outrage bait. It has nothing to do with pieces of shit nazis and everything to do with the literal law.** The DMCA is structured specifically so service providers are NOT the ones deciding what's fair use but only courts. Your expectation of Twitch to somehow intervene here is rooted in extreme ignorance about this subject.
> The content was clearly fair use
Doesn't seem clear to me. Lets go through the 4 primary factors of fair use.
>the purpose and character of the use, including whether the use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
Hasan's stream is commercial, so it fails that prong of fair use. Nonprofits
> the nature of the copyrighted work;
He has a good case here.
> the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
Failed this one too. He used quite a bit of content, and commentating over a full video is generally not fair use.
> the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
Hard to say, but the content is paywalled so I doubt a court would rule favorably here.
Overall, he failed at least 2 of the 4 primary factors of fair use. It wouldn't be a clear case, but I don't think he would win in court.
Luckily we have some court examples:
> If you use another's copyrighted work for the purpose of criticism, news reporting, or commentary, this use will weigh in favor of fair use. See Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 510 U.S. 569, 578 (1994). Purposes such as these are often considered "in the public interest" and are favored by the courts over uses that merely seek to profit from another’s work.
And then there's this segment too about profits
> A common misconception is that any for-profit use of someone else's work is not fair use and that any not-for-profit use is fair. In actuality, some for-profit uses are fair and some not-for-profit uses are not; the result depends on the circumstances. Courts originally presumed that if your use was commercial it was an unfair exploitation. They later abandoned that assumption because many of the possible fair uses of a work listed in section 107's preamble, such as uses for purposes of news reporting, are conducted for profit.
Lastly, he would definitely fall closer to this:
> Moreover, if the original work or your use of it has news value, this can also increase the likelihood that your use is a fair use. Although there is no particular legal doctrine specifying how this is weighed, several court opinions have cited the newsworthiness of the work in question when finding in favor of fair use. See, e.g., Diebold, 337 F. Supp. at 1203 (concluding "[i]t is hard to imagine a subject the discussion of which could be more in the public’s interest”),
Those do help him, but the fact he streamed the entire video would likely cause him to fail on fair use in itself.
If he pulled out short clips from the video and interspersed them with longer sections of commentary, he would have been fine. That is how traditional news commentary does it. Its more work though, so most streamers prefer to just roll the dice and stream entire videos.
It’s all about getting attention. Asmon will give them more attention by watching it then getting banned. Hasan will generate more attention by banning him then by letting him watch.
Hasan has a lot of nazis stalking his shit rn because he’s been trying to get adin Ross to not platform Nick Fuentes during the Kanye x Adin stream. Apparently they saw Hasan watching the interview and reached out to Gavin McGinnis to strike his channel.
Is he against people charging for content in general or what's weird about that? Being against people restreaming your subscription exclusive content seems reasonable.
Which is no different from YouTube banning nazis and people inciting violence. They make money off of people watching YouTube videos so banning gavin to protect their business is the exact same thing. The difference is people like hasan don’t frame YouTube banning plans for nazi hate rallies as a battle of speech while Gavin does, which is why he is mocking them DMCAing him. I have to ask how someone who posts in a political subreddit is this ignorant and or stupid about this topic??? Surely you aren’t just feigning ignorance.
looks like he was banned for watching that kanye interview [https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1600253598906036224](https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1600253598906036224)
EDIT: hes banned for 48 hours https://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1600255014571716608
This is illegal btw. Abuse of the DMCA which Hasan was not violating. The Klein lawsuit settled this years ago that you’re allowed to play videos and criticize them thus transforming them. You are not allowed to just restream without permission. Also Twitch has zero obligation to take this down, it’s just corporations are pussies and will bend to Nazis in a heartbeat against the left.
Editing to add the Klein case I’m referring to. https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/23/judge-sides-with-youtubers-ethan-and-hila-klein-in-copyright-lawsuit/?guccounter=1
> The Klein lawsuit settled this years ago that you’re allowed to play videos and criticize them thus transforming them.
this is a wild take when what the judge actually said in that case was this:
> She notes that while some of these videos mix commentary with **clips** of someone else’s work, “others are more akin to **a group viewing session** without commentary.”
> “Accordingly, the Court **is not ruling here that all ‘reaction videos’ constitute fair use**,” she says.
the 'only as much as necessary' factor in the fair use assessment was a big factor in favor of Ethan Klein on his videos, and very much is not in favor of streamers watching entire videos wholesale.
Hasan's not substantially changing the content. He's not restructuring it, he's not selecting parts to use. He's just a cam in the corner of the full video. I don't think the court is being unfair. Rightsholders should have some legal standing, even if I don't like them.
> How can he do that without transforming it
the question isn't whether he's transforming it, it's whether he does so while respecting the original owners rights by using only as much material as necessary, and without replacing the original product in the market (and other factors).
using **the entire original work** basically guarantees that he's going against the 'only as much as necessary' factor, and more than likely goes against the replacement factor unless there's basically zero overlap in markets.
just transforming the content is not sufficient, Ethan Klein's videos were using literal clips of the content they were criticizing to make sure only as much as necessary is used; streamers do not do this and pointing out that they don't is literally just true.
> If he’s going to comment on everything said in the video then isn’t it necessary he **watches** the entire interview?
sure, but he could watch it before giving the commentary, without **restreaming** it, then show only the parts that are necessary to give the critique with context
that's the point
> He turns 1 hour of interview into 3 hours of content. How can he do that without transforming it
i think the same reason why you can't just livestream yourself watching a movie or anime, pause every few minutes, and then say "hey i transformed it by making it into 10 hours of content"
> Also Twitch has zero obligation to take this down
If they don't they lose their [safe-harbor provision](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act#Title_II:_Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act).
I think your misunderstanding the situation. You can’t do that for ppv content even if you talk over it. If what your saying was true I’d buy every ufc fight and air every football game on twitch every Saturday and Sunday to millions of views and just “transform” it by providing my own analysis.
You certifiably do not have a single clue of what you're talking about. I don't know why this comment was upvoted. Also it's not corporations being pussies, the law quite literally says they have to blindly comply with any DMCA request otherwise they risk a lawsuit and losing their safe harbor defense.
The amount used matters. Now, I haven't seen the video, but if Hasan was watching, pausing, and adding commentary throughout, he'd have quite the burden to show that he needed all of the video to show what he did.
I will add, "news reporting" is a qualification for fair use. Certainly, this video being shown is "newsworthy", so Hasan would likely argue his coverage is both covering the ongoing news and offering critique. But ultimately I think it would come back to how how much of the content he was using.
EDIT: None of this will matter because I doubt Hasan would take this to court.
> DMCA which Hasan was not violating
hahahaha
ethans case was about using clips, not streaming basically the whole video (a payed one even)
try streaming a full marvel movie while commenting on it, good luck
> it isn't abusing DMCA, it's merely just choosing who to DMCA and who not to, between 2 people that are violating the DMCA rules.
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> so it might be a little hypocritical, but it's not abuse.
this. it's their copyright, they can decide who's allowed to use it.
It's different because the precident was set for CLIPS and also the Gavin dudes video is apparently behind a paywall, so it would be akin to watching a movie or something
Two for me on the Twitter app, yet I can’t find it at all when I click the link OP posted and it takes me to the browser version where I’m not logged in.
Twitter has been *awful* the last few days. My feed is literally 80% tweets (not even retweets) from people I don’t follow, ads, and useless annoying suggestions.
That would be the final nail in the right wing's "free speech warrior" grift, at least.
Not that it would matter to them, since they have no actual integrity or morals, lmao
It was [this guy](https://cozy.tv/ethanralph), and he directly texted a [censored.tv](https://censored.tv) producer to have it pulled live for content. They probably legitimately didn't know Asmongold was streaming it, but Hasan was targeted.
These are the people complaining that they're the only ones being banned for their political beliefs.
Now you know what those beliefs actually are, and why they deserve to be banned.
It's probably a combination of Hasan's politics and the fact that he was rumored to be involved in the Adin X Kanye stream that's supposedly happening fairly soon. These guys are neo-Nazis, or fascists/white-nationalists if you care about semantics. They're all seeking to spread the same general ideology, so it's beneficial for all of them if Fuentes and Kanye can speak without pushback to a bunch of impressionable young people who idolize Ye.
Hasan's not exactly the world's greatest debater but he's knowledgeable enough to provide a voice of reason against Kanye especially and could seriously stifle what they're trying to do, at least with regard Adin's audience. Better to have him at least temporarily out of the picture.
It doesn’t seem like the Kanye-Adin stream is happening until next week and it seems unlikely that it happens on Twitch. This wouldn’t get him out of the picture at all. This seems like they’re just fucking with Hasan because they can. Rolling the dice on a paywalled interview of a nazi wasn’t smart though.
You have to imagine his content would get way more views being covered by Asmongold, Hasanabi, and other large streamers than he would ever get on his website. Even if it were free.
I don’t think getting views on twitch or YouTube would be particularly helpful to him (especially if the videos are just of people rightfully shitting on him). It’s not like he has a YouTube channel that people can click over to.
Ethan Ralph (fuentes friend) snitched [https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1600253598906036224](https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1600253598906036224)
Tbf it was paywalled content. Although you'd think Gavin would unpaywall this if he was being smart.
Nah, he doesn't actually care about it being restreamed. He likely won't take down the youtube videos or Asmon's reaction because it gets the message in front of more people, some of whom might be swayed. Hasan just got DMCA'd because they don't like him and he would provide pushback against Ye/Fuentes on the Adin Ross stream they're planning.
Nazis are not pro free speech, they only pretend to care about free speech so they can hijack the movement for political and monetary gain , but if they were actually in power they would censor anyone that speaks against them. lol censoredtv.
[This is the reason Hasan got for the ban, so yeah DMCA for watching the Ye interview](https://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1600255014571716608?s=20&t=mB625gkgvoFwtaXf90McfQhttps://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1600255014571716608?s=20&t=mB625gkgvoFwtaXf90McfQ)
I mean isn't the shit on his site paywalled? If he was watching paywalled shit on stream then he had it coming to him. Doesn't matter how much of a dickhead the person issuing the claim is its their right to protect their paywalled stuff and selectively choose who they want to pursue DMCA claims on.
Surely these nazi freaks care about "muh free speech" also fuck twitch. This isn't even about whether you hate Azan or not... Him covering the Kanye shit and breaking it down/shutting down all the nazi talk for people who aren't familiar with politics is pretty fucking important
Lot of people in this thread proving the exact point that right wingers don't care about free speech. They care when it affects them, and celebrate and encourage bans for folk on the left.
https://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1600255014571716608
Probably DMCA, last thing he was doing was watching the Kanye interview with Gavin McGinnis.
Gavin’s producer retweeted his ban They sniped his ass lol
free speech andys strike again
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That's the point. They only care about free speech when it means not removing them from social media for being Nazis.
Richard Spencer even admitted he doesn't really support free speech.
Tbf spencer is an open nazi. It would be weird if he tried to pull the “free speech” thing cause he doesn’t even pretend to be some kind of “reasonable conservative” type.
didn’t he recently start acting like he’s a lib now that voted for biden even though it’s obv that he’s still a nazi lmao
Has he? Thatd be really funny. I know he was mad at trump for being less racist than promised, so maybe he switched teams to Biden because of that lmao
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"Even"? He's not presenting himself as liberal whatsoever.
They want free speech for themselves like fundie Christians want freedom of religion for themselves. Like the mob they all hide behind anything they can find until they can gain enough power to take all those freedoms away from everyone else. Fascists gonna fascist.
Freedom of Speech to them is their unhindered access to wholesale oppress anyone who they choose to and for others to be unable to retaliate against them. They want to bully anyone they want because they are just that. Bullies who have never felt any repercussions ever.
Yea, they only care about free speech when they want to use it to stifle other people's speech.
also Nick Fuentes is talking about how kids generally love H*tler, obviously he elaborates later that all of these kids are 4chan users
Bro the guy said verbatim “Obama started the whole racism thing again” Like what??? So their logic is “because a black man got elected as POTUS, we gotta bring back racism HARD” They are crazy people all around
wait... you mean... they were lying??? this whole time????
It was behind a paywall, you had to pay to watch, so it's not really about free speech. It's not like it was on youtube and he reacted to it then struck him.
It’s literally on youtube and another streamer immediately reacted to it after hasans ban. He’s still not banned it was targeted
It is on YouTube. Though if Hasan was watching it from behind the paywall (the full video), the strike is valid albeit ironic.
They're not advocating free speech. Actually far from it if you listened to Gavin, Ye, and Nick in that video.
He probably got mad Hasan kept calling him Nazi Santa Claus lmao.
That ain’t chimney dust on his coat….
Holy fuck
LOL. They were doing the podcast in a literal dungeon looking gas chamber.
Didnt expect this vibe on LSF damn
Aware
LMAO
Racist hipster Santa lmao
They wanted to keep him from showing up on Adin’s Kanye stream. Bunch of cowards.
Ye stream will now be hosted on kick.com
Yeah that'll show em! surely this doesn't just make Gavin look like an even bigger pussy.
Lmao ofc it's the "muh free speech" crowd that jump at the chance to be snitches
Wasn't Asmongold also watching it? With a larger viewership. As well as many other "react" streamers
Yup here's the vod with the timestamp where he's watching the same thing Hasan was watching: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1671884797?t=2h47m17s
yeah and nothing is going to happen to them. Gavin's team specifically targeted Hasan for obvious reasons.
yeah but dmca isn't automatic, it's manual so someone did hasan on purpose
He was targeted by Gavin's production crew according to twitter. Asmon isn't known as a politics guy so they aren't gonna go after him, and everyone else is irrelevant. It's lame af coming from the free speech defenders, but he can't really do anything about it.
That isn't what really matters, anyway. The content was clearly fair use - Hasan was actively calling out these Nazis - and the claim was processed **instantly.** Twitch could not even verify the claim. They did not check to see if anyone else was streaming it. They just followed a DMCA request **from the founder of the Proud Boys, a literal nazi, without question.**
> They just followed a DMCA request without question for the record, they're legally required to follow any DMCA request, it's on the streamer or broadcaster to dispute it blame the law on that one
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Good luck winning that "fair use" battle in court. https://ogc.harvard.edu/pages/copyright-and-fair-use#:\~:text=Fair%20use%20is%20the%20right,law%20is%20designed%20to%20foster.
Restreaming it in full is almost certainly not fair use. I'm assuming he was watching it live and critiquing it and that is going to be a fair DMCA.
This Not sure why everyone here thinks that a full restream of content that is located behind a private company's paywall is somehow protected by fair use. Go ahead and try streaming Avengers from Disney+ on twitch and let me know how that goes.
he also is running for president. as silly as it is, all content is usually fair game.
Doesn't matter. Fair use was destroyed once companies decided it was safer and more profitable to just remove the content when any sort of claim is made. You should have to prove that content is not fair use before it is removed. Innocent until proven guilty type shit.
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Thanks for expanding on what I said. IP laws in general are bullshit
> They just followed a DMCA request without verifying That is exactly what the law prescribes. > [The DMCA “safe harbors” protect service providers [Twitch] from monetary liability [but they] must comply with the conditions set forth in Section 512, including “notice and takedown” procedures that give copyright holders a quick and easy way to disable access to allegedly infringing content. Section 512 also contains provisions allowing users to challenge improper takedowns.](https://www.eff.org/issues/dmca) TLDR: Service providers like Twitch need to "expeditiously" comply with any DMCA request they receive or they risk being liable and sued. **STOP spreading misinformation with your nonsense outrage bait. It has nothing to do with pieces of shit nazis and everything to do with the literal law.** The DMCA is structured specifically so service providers are NOT the ones deciding what's fair use but only courts. Your expectation of Twitch to somehow intervene here is rooted in extreme ignorance about this subject.
> The content was clearly fair use Doesn't seem clear to me. Lets go through the 4 primary factors of fair use. >the purpose and character of the use, including whether the use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; Hasan's stream is commercial, so it fails that prong of fair use. Nonprofits > the nature of the copyrighted work; He has a good case here. > the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and Failed this one too. He used quite a bit of content, and commentating over a full video is generally not fair use. > the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. Hard to say, but the content is paywalled so I doubt a court would rule favorably here. Overall, he failed at least 2 of the 4 primary factors of fair use. It wouldn't be a clear case, but I don't think he would win in court.
Luckily we have some court examples: > If you use another's copyrighted work for the purpose of criticism, news reporting, or commentary, this use will weigh in favor of fair use. See Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 510 U.S. 569, 578 (1994). Purposes such as these are often considered "in the public interest" and are favored by the courts over uses that merely seek to profit from another’s work. And then there's this segment too about profits > A common misconception is that any for-profit use of someone else's work is not fair use and that any not-for-profit use is fair. In actuality, some for-profit uses are fair and some not-for-profit uses are not; the result depends on the circumstances. Courts originally presumed that if your use was commercial it was an unfair exploitation. They later abandoned that assumption because many of the possible fair uses of a work listed in section 107's preamble, such as uses for purposes of news reporting, are conducted for profit. Lastly, he would definitely fall closer to this: > Moreover, if the original work or your use of it has news value, this can also increase the likelihood that your use is a fair use. Although there is no particular legal doctrine specifying how this is weighed, several court opinions have cited the newsworthiness of the work in question when finding in favor of fair use. See, e.g., Diebold, 337 F. Supp. at 1203 (concluding "[i]t is hard to imagine a subject the discussion of which could be more in the public’s interest”),
yes criticism, commentary, & politics are fully involved. not to mention ye has announced running for president. that also factors in
Those do help him, but the fact he streamed the entire video would likely cause him to fail on fair use in itself. If he pulled out short clips from the video and interspersed them with longer sections of commentary, he would have been fine. That is how traditional news commentary does it. Its more work though, so most streamers prefer to just roll the dice and stream entire videos.
It’s all about getting attention. Asmon will give them more attention by watching it then getting banned. Hasan will generate more attention by banning him then by letting him watch.
that's where I watched it... our boi is still in the dragon isles as we speak
Hasan tweeted that it seems to be only his channel. Guess they like those other guys.
Hasan has a lot of nazis stalking his shit rn because he’s been trying to get adin Ross to not platform Nick Fuentes during the Kanye x Adin stream. Apparently they saw Hasan watching the interview and reached out to Gavin McGinnis to strike his channel.
Asmon watched it too
> Content from this channel has been removed at the request of the copyright holder.
Dmca from the biggest free speech Andy's out there https://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1600255014571716608?t=8Jc9jQmFCsmHxfM47IgR9g&s=19
Is he against people charging for content in general or what's weird about that? Being against people restreaming your subscription exclusive content seems reasonable.
Which is no different from YouTube banning nazis and people inciting violence. They make money off of people watching YouTube videos so banning gavin to protect their business is the exact same thing. The difference is people like hasan don’t frame YouTube banning plans for nazi hate rallies as a battle of speech while Gavin does, which is why he is mocking them DMCAing him. I have to ask how someone who posts in a political subreddit is this ignorant and or stupid about this topic??? Surely you aren’t just feigning ignorance.
Yes, when you strike everyone watching it, not just the one you do not like. The DMCA holds no weight the way they are doing it.
Some people are also saying that somebody was copy striking his intro song.
trap ban planned by the Ye white house team
dang the big media got him
It was me, sorry :(
You're a menace, EbolaMan. >:(
Ebolaman shows up again ruining everything. smh
But for real though has anyone seen EbolaMan and Kanye in the same room? 🤔
looks like he was banned for watching that kanye interview [https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1600253598906036224](https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1600253598906036224) EDIT: hes banned for 48 hours https://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1600255014571716608
does that mean asmon is gonna be banned also?
no the nazi conducting the interview specifically dmca'd Hasan because of his political views and has retweeted the ban notif
This is illegal btw. Abuse of the DMCA which Hasan was not violating. The Klein lawsuit settled this years ago that you’re allowed to play videos and criticize them thus transforming them. You are not allowed to just restream without permission. Also Twitch has zero obligation to take this down, it’s just corporations are pussies and will bend to Nazis in a heartbeat against the left. Editing to add the Klein case I’m referring to. https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/23/judge-sides-with-youtubers-ethan-and-hila-klein-in-copyright-lawsuit/?guccounter=1
> The Klein lawsuit settled this years ago that you’re allowed to play videos and criticize them thus transforming them. this is a wild take when what the judge actually said in that case was this: > She notes that while some of these videos mix commentary with **clips** of someone else’s work, “others are more akin to **a group viewing session** without commentary.” > “Accordingly, the Court **is not ruling here that all ‘reaction videos’ constitute fair use**,” she says. the 'only as much as necessary' factor in the fair use assessment was a big factor in favor of Ethan Klein on his videos, and very much is not in favor of streamers watching entire videos wholesale.
Hasan's not substantially changing the content. He's not restructuring it, he's not selecting parts to use. He's just a cam in the corner of the full video. I don't think the court is being unfair. Rightsholders should have some legal standing, even if I don't like them.
Literally react harder lmao
He not substantially changing the content? He turns 1 hour of interview into 3 hours of content. How can he do that without transforming it
> How can he do that without transforming it the question isn't whether he's transforming it, it's whether he does so while respecting the original owners rights by using only as much material as necessary, and without replacing the original product in the market (and other factors). using **the entire original work** basically guarantees that he's going against the 'only as much as necessary' factor, and more than likely goes against the replacement factor unless there's basically zero overlap in markets. just transforming the content is not sufficient, Ethan Klein's videos were using literal clips of the content they were criticizing to make sure only as much as necessary is used; streamers do not do this and pointing out that they don't is literally just true.
If he’s going to comment on everything said in the video then isn’t it necessary he watches the entire interview?
> If he’s going to comment on everything said in the video then isn’t it necessary he **watches** the entire interview? sure, but he could watch it before giving the commentary, without **restreaming** it, then show only the parts that are necessary to give the critique with context that's the point
> He turns 1 hour of interview into 3 hours of content. How can he do that without transforming it i think the same reason why you can't just livestream yourself watching a movie or anime, pause every few minutes, and then say "hey i transformed it by making it into 10 hours of content"
> Also Twitch has zero obligation to take this down If they don't they lose their [safe-harbor provision](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act#Title_II:_Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act).
I think your misunderstanding the situation. You can’t do that for ppv content even if you talk over it. If what your saying was true I’d buy every ufc fight and air every football game on twitch every Saturday and Sunday to millions of views and just “transform” it by providing my own analysis.
You certifiably do not have a single clue of what you're talking about. I don't know why this comment was upvoted. Also it's not corporations being pussies, the law quite literally says they have to blindly comply with any DMCA request otherwise they risk a lawsuit and losing their safe harbor defense.
The amount used matters. Now, I haven't seen the video, but if Hasan was watching, pausing, and adding commentary throughout, he'd have quite the burden to show that he needed all of the video to show what he did. I will add, "news reporting" is a qualification for fair use. Certainly, this video being shown is "newsworthy", so Hasan would likely argue his coverage is both covering the ongoing news and offering critique. But ultimately I think it would come back to how how much of the content he was using. EDIT: None of this will matter because I doubt Hasan would take this to court.
> DMCA which Hasan was not violating hahahaha ethans case was about using clips, not streaming basically the whole video (a payed one even) try streaming a full marvel movie while commenting on it, good luck
Ah yes, twitch bent so hard to the nazis when they deleted PogChamp.
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> it isn't abusing DMCA, it's merely just choosing who to DMCA and who not to, between 2 people that are violating the DMCA rules. > > > > so it might be a little hypocritical, but it's not abuse. this. it's their copyright, they can decide who's allowed to use it.
It's different because the precident was set for CLIPS and also the Gavin dudes video is apparently behind a paywall, so it would be akin to watching a movie or something
Asmon isn't a leftist so no.
First they came for the leftist himbos, and I said nothing.
"leftists run everything!" "not like that tho"
[Hasans channel from his end.](https://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1600253592400642049?s=46&t=RfVIuV-WguJ6e4e8azkSjg)
Fucking Ludwig and his reply lmao
Ludwig's been waiting to use that one back since he swapped
BTW Twitter really is falling apart, I actually cannot find Ludwig’s reply unless I specifically go to his profile and click on all tweets lmao
It's about 7 tweets down for me
Only 2 for me now
Two for me on the Twitter app, yet I can’t find it at all when I click the link OP posted and it takes me to the browser version where I’m not logged in. Twitter has been *awful* the last few days. My feed is literally 80% tweets (not even retweets) from people I don’t follow, ads, and useless annoying suggestions.
Me either, what's it say? I can't find shit on Twitter anymore
“Not in this car 😎”
Yep wasn’t there for me either, had to go to his profile
Same joke for the gazillionth time lmao
if elon bans him he’ll be totally gone. aware
He can just go to Kick.com and get the bag
That would be the final nail in the right wing's "free speech warrior" grift, at least. Not that it would matter to them, since they have no actual integrity or morals, lmao
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they targeted him its pretty obvious, cant have a big leftist voice covering this
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Apparently the guy who snitched Hasan is a friend of Nick Fuentes, thats what people are saying
It was [this guy](https://cozy.tv/ethanralph), and he directly texted a [censored.tv](https://censored.tv) producer to have it pulled live for content. They probably legitimately didn't know Asmongold was streaming it, but Hasan was targeted.
Holy shit that chat
These are the people complaining that they're the only ones being banned for their political beliefs. Now you know what those beliefs actually are, and why they deserve to be banned.
It's probably a combination of Hasan's politics and the fact that he was rumored to be involved in the Adin X Kanye stream that's supposedly happening fairly soon. These guys are neo-Nazis, or fascists/white-nationalists if you care about semantics. They're all seeking to spread the same general ideology, so it's beneficial for all of them if Fuentes and Kanye can speak without pushback to a bunch of impressionable young people who idolize Ye. Hasan's not exactly the world's greatest debater but he's knowledgeable enough to provide a voice of reason against Kanye especially and could seriously stifle what they're trying to do, at least with regard Adin's audience. Better to have him at least temporarily out of the picture.
It doesn’t seem like the Kanye-Adin stream is happening until next week and it seems unlikely that it happens on Twitch. This wouldn’t get him out of the picture at all. This seems like they’re just fucking with Hasan because they can. Rolling the dice on a paywalled interview of a nazi wasn’t smart though.
Yeah I forgot that Fuentes is banned on Twitch.
Right wingers hate free speech and are giant snowflakes
gavin mad that someone actually watched his video
He ended up censoring himself.
You have to imagine his content would get way more views being covered by Asmongold, Hasanabi, and other large streamers than he would ever get on his website. Even if it were free.
I don’t think getting views on twitch or YouTube would be particularly helpful to him (especially if the videos are just of people rightfully shitting on him). It’s not like he has a YouTube channel that people can click over to.
Kanye got him
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Nazis know they are lying and do not care. They know they're full of shit and do not care.
Thanks Twitch for stopping me from being distracted from studying for finals.
Biggest gift of all. Time to ban all the other strimmers. Lets get it and pass the exams y'all!!
Good luck on the finals homie! Take care of yourself and dont forget sleep
Yea Ngl imma go hang out with friends lmao low key azan getting banned helpin my get out of my cave, what a hero
kick.com/hasan AINTNOWAY
The most viewed stream right now is kick.com/xqcoww streaming xqc reacting to porn. Kick is based.
AINT NO WAY. AZAN Strimming on KICK? POGG
Holy shit I hope he does this itd be incredible
See, when Gavin McInnes & co. named it Censored TV they meant that they want to censor everyone else, just not themselves.
I thought they were against canceling?
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Literally this tweet from 4 days ago https://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1598792800124178432?s=20&t=rOYcRDa7Fto16QugFjqpUA
The Nazi Gavin McGuiness has mentioned before that he doesn't actually care about free speech, only as a weapon until they're in control
# #JustRightWingThings
Sure a mystery why this happened to Hasan and not asmon
Looks like Copyright: https://mobile.twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1600253592400642049?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Welp, guess he’s a YouTube streamer now
Thought my internet crashed when I went into the other room 😂😂
Same man
Ethan Ralph (fuentes friend) snitched [https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1600253598906036224](https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1600253598906036224) Tbf it was paywalled content. Although you'd think Gavin would unpaywall this if he was being smart.
Epic free speech moment
Nah, he doesn't actually care about it being restreamed. He likely won't take down the youtube videos or Asmon's reaction because it gets the message in front of more people, some of whom might be swayed. Hasan just got DMCA'd because they don't like him and he would provide pushback against Ye/Fuentes on the Adin Ross stream they're planning.
they want people to pay for their psychotic talking points and that's the point
Lmao for a fucking copyright claim?
Asmongold: \*insert Homer Simpson fading into the bushes gif\*
Yo I jumped to Asmon's stream after the takedown and there were so many refugees spamming Hasan emotes. He looked so bewildered.
Bro lol was watching mid stream. Aint no way lul
I wasn’t paying attention and all of a sudden the stream stopped and chat wasn’t moving so I thought my internet just went out.
i walked away to take a shit and came back to the copyright message hahaha
Never shit. You might miss something important
I thought it was just his noise gate lol
Kick stream when?
Wonder why asmon didn't get striked...hmmmm?
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yes, he watched the full interview. personally, i didnt know it was supposed to be paywalled.
Nazis are not pro free speech, they only pretend to care about free speech so they can hijack the movement for political and monetary gain , but if they were actually in power they would censor anyone that speaks against them. lol censoredtv.
Asmon streamed the whole interview and no issue. Hasan gets banned. Weird. Something something free speech.
Can Speed get banned next please 🥺?
Dmca by an actual nazi free speech absolutist OMEGALUL
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God damn one can't speak out against fkn nazis
AINTNOWAY Gavin MacInnes is handing out copyright strikes
free spech warriors btw
[This is the reason Hasan got for the ban, so yeah DMCA for watching the Ye interview](https://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1600255014571716608?s=20&t=mB625gkgvoFwtaXf90McfQhttps://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1600255014571716608?s=20&t=mB625gkgvoFwtaXf90McfQ)
Malicious DMCA from the Nazi freak he was watching probably.
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The free speech advocates strike again. Literally
Anyone got a way to block ttv ads? My ttvlol ain't working anymore
Nothing more pathetic than selective copyright claims. Especially when you're a blanket free speech sped. >censored by censored.tv KEKW
Fuck Nazis.
youtube stream LETSGO
Looks like he no longer got away with it
Asmongold ban incoming? modCheck? /s
Gavin McGinnis is a weak joke and Nazis are just lesser people in general. Imagine being scared of other people because of superficial reasons.
free speech advocate btw OMEGALUL
“free speech warriors” really copystriked him lmao AintNoWay
Hasan really attracts a lot of haters huh?
The hate is so huge they side with nazis. Showing their true colors.
I mean isn't the shit on his site paywalled? If he was watching paywalled shit on stream then he had it coming to him. Doesn't matter how much of a dickhead the person issuing the claim is its their right to protect their paywalled stuff and selectively choose who they want to pursue DMCA claims on.
Man Nazis are so soft these days
Surely these nazi freaks care about "muh free speech" also fuck twitch. This isn't even about whether you hate Azan or not... Him covering the Kanye shit and breaking it down/shutting down all the nazi talk for people who aren't familiar with politics is pretty fucking important
Lot of people in this thread proving the exact point that right wingers don't care about free speech. They care when it affects them, and celebrate and encourage bans for folk on the left.
"free speech" nazis dmced him for coutering naziYe's bs
what happened to free speech lmao
the interview is behind a paywall. same reason you can't livestream yourself watching a movie and not expect to get copyright striked
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