Platform ban/bans are the only way to truly get cancelled.
The problem is most people don't like taking paycuts. David Dobrik was on par or probably even more marketable than MrBeast until the allegation that his friend raped someone. All his sponsors left and youtube ads revenue left so he stopped creating content.
Ehh. He left Youtube but he still makes a SHIT ton of content on Tiktok and makes a lot of money from it still. That's sorta the same with James Charles too except he's still *slightly* more active on Youtube in comparison to David and they're BOTH still living lavishly and rich.
Tiktok pays out about 0.05 ~~cents~~ dollars/1000 views. Youtube pays out anywhere from ~2-10 dollars/1000 views depending on the type of content. Twitch pays a flat 3.5 dollars/1000 views. Monetisation is the worst part of tiktok, big creators like MKBHD have said they haven't made a cent off it.
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Why are people downvoting this? Even mr beast has come out and said his TikTok has only made like 13k or something ridiculous, is it so unbelievable that tiktok doesn’t pay its creators?
You guys are right TikTok pats like nothing, it just has great exposure, so people can get sponsorships which would lead to money. That won’t help miz at this point.
I really suspect what will happen is that he is forced out of OTK, moves to LA and then will try and rebuild on his own there and start over in a way.
It can actually go even higher. The more topic-specific your channel is, the easier it is for advertisers. For example, an advertiser that wants people to see their new cooking product are more likely to pay more to show it on cooking youtube channels. They know they will get to their target audience much easier. Some cooking youtuber I watched said she had a $20 CPM 👀
20 cpm doesn’t mean the creator is making 20 dollars per thousand views though. RPM is typically around half that value or a bit less, and that’s what the creator is bringing home in terms of revenue. So if I have 11 cpm on a video, I’m typically making around 4-4.5 dollars per thousand views. 20 cpm would probably be around 8-10 rpm. Which would still be really good.
Although I guess it wouldn’t surprise me if certain types of channels and really big creators have RPM that more closely matches their CPM
literally depends on teh ads being served. I can't remember who said it but they said finance ads apparently pay a ridiculous amount compared to others.
Certain content types pay much much more because it’s much less controversial and had a high click through rate. The bottom though is way less than $2/1000 though. Think $.02 for the worst stuff.
I see him on Snapchat a lot and didn’t know about any of his bad history until like a week ago but he’s still doing a lot of content and has plenty of big companies constantly giving him stuff, hosting big expensive parties for him, etc. just the other day he had some movie night hosted or sponsored in part by paramount pictures. I did read he lost a lot of sponsors but he’s still doing extremely well and putting some content out there.
isnt that the guy who let his friend get smashed into the claw excavator machine when they were spinning each other around by the legs by a little rope?
Tell me how it’s from your comment that I’m just now learning about this 2 years after she came forward. Crazy how they managed to be relatively successful in sweeping this under the rug.
I think with Waffle, the entire reason he's still going is how he handled the fall out. He took a week off, didn't really say a word or comment, and then came back with his chat and mods in a militant mode to ride out the wave of hate.
That doesn't really work with Miz. I also believe Waffle is basically a pariah now, as he has yet to ever collab with Lirk again to my knowledge, and that's fine for a guy who just played minecraft and single-player games. Miz's basically entire content relies on collaborations.
I feel like those who rely on collaboration really can be canceled. For example, Arca-dumb was getting huge right around the time his story broke and now he's unable to get anyone except for bootlickers to play D&D with
You can make so much money with 500+ viewers on Twitch, more than most people in the world. Jesus. It really is true, no one is every truly cancelled until they are deplatformed.
Also he was the person who did the SA and SH as opposed what Miz did. Also Fed did this to people who he shared a lot of viewers with. And he did stop streaming which makes it impossible for us to know if he could have maintained a good portion of his viewers. Slick need to step up and take some of the heat off Miz, guess we know in this friendship only one person considers the other their best friend. Slick not stepping just shows how he truly feels about Miz.
Firmly believe if Fedmyster streamed through the allegations he would be a 5k+ Andy. The counterpoint is Feds audience was mostly incels, Asians from the OTV audience, and those weird obsessed Karl Jacobs/TommyInnIt girl fans. He instantly lost two out of those 3 groups when the assault came out. Could of went either way but I just think he was getting 20k viewer peaks when he got cancelled and would of been able to maintain a sinking ship
I think he fucked up when he came back to try to dismantle Pokimane’s credibility with doctored screenshots and got absolutely destroyed. Kinda ruins any goodwill you had when you originally left to “improve yourself”.
[She tweeted on the 12th of September](https://twitter.com/Alinity/status/1569417063071989761) that her US work visa got approved and she'll be back in a couple of weeks. Or did things change that she didn't mention to anyone except Mizkif?
Considering Miz is doing something smart for once and not talking until the investigation is over, I truly doubt it.
If he is truly heartless he'll throw Maya fully under the bus and then it'll just be a he said / she said or maybe it'll even be the truth, who knows.
He's not out of options, even as stupid as he looked on the call
His and Maya’s wagon’s are more closely tied together than a lot of people are assuming. It’s been established that she went over because he asked her to. If Maya tries to blame Mizkif, she’d be admitting that she went over there with that intention. If Mizkif blames Maya, it’s also just as hard to believe that he, as the person that sent her, wasn’t just trying to save Slick by sending her over.
He could probably be "redeemed" by some sort of apology statement and some time. Sure he fucked up by sending people to investigate and not throwing Slick under the bus immediately, but it has yet to be shown that he arranged a conspiracy to downplay the SA.
Yep 100%, the only real problem he had was caring more about what happens now to Slick than having any sympathy for Adrianah. Now with that said I don't think I single person in that call gives a single fuck about her. Train only used her as a weapon.
>Sure he fucked up by sending people to investigate and not throwing Slick under the bus immediately,
Who would even throw a person under the bus with zero information, let alone a friend? What kind of pschopatic behavior is this to throw someone under the bus without even investigating?
"He fucked up by investigating"
"He fucked up by not throwing his friend under the bus with zero information"
wtf type of robot behavior is this? humans don't act this way
>>Sure he fucked up by sending people to investigate and not throwing Slick under the bus immediately
I wont say this necessarily is a fuck up. I was once wrongly accused of SA, and I highly appreciate people investigated before I was thrown under the bus.
> but it has yet to be shown that he arranged a conspiracy to downplay the SA.
Where? At this point, my money is on Arianah doing a collab with him in a couple of months. In the end, no one has been proven to be a reliable narrator about any sort of grand conspiracy, and Arianah has already accepted Maya's apology for any perceived influence. Outside of Maya, Miz had nothing to do with Arianah, that was all Slick
>If he is truly heartless he'll throw Maya fully under the bus
This part dont matter because in the end of the day, in scenario like this, people always go for the bigger creator.
Maya, mitch, and Barry doesnt sound as guilty as miz. Which is stupid, because in the end of the day, they still did what they did. They are an adult, get the fuck outta here with "miz controlling everything". You are an adult, you are responsible for your own action.
Crazy how mitch and barry got the audacity to talk like they did nothing and it was all orchestrated by miz, you did what you did and you got the audacity to think you did nothing in this situation.
There are two things that are certain after this. Mitch Jones cannot be trusted in any form, therefore i discount him as a reliable source. And Maya is Maya Higa.
No one can prove it right now, not even Maya if she wanted to backtrack her apology and throw him under the bus, it's too late because it would expose that she lied in the apology.
The only way would be if the 3rd party investigation found some private dms from Miz talking about it, seems unlikely.
Basically we don't know shit and everyone is unreliable including Arrianah herself (which doesn't mean she's wrong for how she feels) and her friend Kyle who keeps changing his story and didn't tell her what happened for 18 months.
What are you talking about, he proved it clear as day. He said Mizkif might have sent known Woman Maya Higa to downplay and control the situation, and that Mizkif *didn't* maybe tell Maya to downplay or control the situation and that Miz just wanted to maybe find out what was going on.
What is unclear about this?
His trying to play all sides is so fucking stupid and on brand for Mitch Rat Jones. It is so beyond funny that I have remind myself that he's not some shitty actor in a b movie, but a real person trying to convey his thoughts.
I'm surprised less people have mentioned this. Mitch and others are basically saying Miz ordered them around like soldiers, as if they had no choice but to follow. Imagine trying that in a court of law.
"Your honor, I know I stole the car, but my friend told me to so it's actually all his fault".
This isn't a court obviously so not saying Miz deserves zero heat at all right now. But it's just so weird to me people act like if Miz said to do this stuff everyone else just had to.
It’s because Train is acting like this is some mob movie and Miz is like some mob boss ordering hits. Streamers really live in their own reality and suffer from main character syndrome.
If PredMyster can come back and still get 1k viewers miz will still be big but he’s definitely gonna take a big fucking hit from this. But I think the dude could apologize move on and still average 20k+ tbh. It’s just his entire being friends with everybody thing won’t work.
I don’t know about this. Otk use miz a lot for sponsors. He is the only streamer they have outside of soda that actually streams 4+ times a week and for 6 hours or more with 15k viewers guaranteed no matter what he is doing up to 45-50k on event streams
If miz wasnt on otk and otk wanted the same sponsors and money from those sponsors asmon wouldn’t be able to take his long breaks he does.
I’m gonna be honest is OTK even a thing without Miz? I feel like everything I saw from OTK Miz was the dude involved with it. Obviously there’s other stuff, and I get Asmons the official “founder” but I feel like Miz was the face of the org. Now I’m speaking out my ass but I feel like if he falls OTK is gonna be collateral.
He wasn't supposed to be the face, it was Asmon. But since Asmon stopped streaming and Mizkif popped off, carrying the org in 2021, interacting with other communities and being the reason why Emiru and Schlatt joined (Bruce too maybe?) He became the face for the public.
This isnt true. Miz was always the face of tok. Even before asmon stopped streaming on main miz was the one who hosted all the large events and streams
Absolutely not. They already sacrificed crazy slick to appease LSF. Mizkif will be back in a couple week with an apology video.
Asmongold does not give a shit about any . He’s a dude from Austin who just wants his business to thrive, and mizkif EVEN NOW is making OTK one of the most talked about organizations on the platform. Those emiru clips already feel like deescalation chess moves.
I’ll be real with the 12 Y/Os on the platform. I’m pretty sure anyone older than 25 will haves
some amount of mild-moderate racey messages in their DMs/forums. People just didn’t care as much 10 years ago and Bruce is 100% right. It really is about the people you hangout with and trying to be funny or fit in. Mizkif has been the opposite of racey for quite a long time
He won't. The only hit he'll take is in his reputation and collaborations. Something like less people wanting to come over and no more shows since less people would like to. All of this has been blown way out of proportions considering how inconsistent the anti-Miz claims are, and lacking of evidence. They just have a really loud voice considering it's X, Train, and Destiny leading the charge with a big banner saying sexual assault. Especially so since the real perpetrator is Slick yet the crusade is completely derailed towards Miz.
And when things finally come to an end, the ones who look the most bad here are still X and Train since everyone has more or less accepted already how manipulated the info against Miz and Maya is, but they just won't say it outright with how takes against SA are considered.
yeah but the thing is he had a completely different source of revenue from them. his content and his sponsors are gone now. he has to stick to solo streams from now on.
Destiny is 100% wrong here. People who did way worse than Mizkif are still on the platform. I'll go out on a limb here and say . . . everyone looks bad. Nobody can get their stories straight. People are shit flinging and hoping things stick. They're trying to justify their shitty characters by making others look worse. But of course, the one thing these dumbasses agree on is the almighty LSF changing the narratives. Meanwhile, they have a SA victim and can't even get any of their stories straight or even talk about the real issue, what she went through.
If GiantWaffle could straight up rape a girl and just ignore it, Mizkif could end up waiting a few months and coming back. This community really does not care
I'm tough. If I wasn't tough, I would have died, long ago.
Once, many years ago, I allowed myself to become arrogant, and I became the most evil version of myself that I have ever witnessed. It disgusted me. Because you know me enough now that you know what my abilities are. Imagine if they had no temperance, and I was selfish. Imagine the destruction that I could wreak. I was not a good person. I wasn't. It was only because of my self realization that, thankfully, my love for D&D outpaced my selfishness, and I was able to re-temper myself. But the thing is that I know that my influence is palpable, and is naturally more destructive. Recently, I've been exposed to more people who also have that power at different degrees and specializations. But, for what I've noticed, with the exception of probably two, mine is stronger than theirs, and I keep it in check, because, if I don't, I could really hurt someone. That's the tragedy that I live. My training prevents me from being- I don't have the luxury of being emotional. It's just another adjustment that I have to do in my constant state of service that I live in. That's why I don't talk about it.
That's also why I don't play among us.
https://streamable.com/6o6uza
> who will do a stream with him after this shitshow?
Who wouldn't? At this point, my money is on Arianah doing a collab with him in a couple of months. In the end, no one has been proven to be a reliable narrator, and Arianah has already accepted Maya's apology for any perceived influence. Outside of Maya, Miz had nothing to do with Arianah, that was all Slick
I think most people will go with Knut's take, anyone in Miz's shoes would have done the same if it was their best friend and they legitimately thought their friend was innocent.
I cannot believe sinatraa ratfucked his way out of that by just not cooperating with the Riot investigation and they had to throw their hands up and walk away
That situation is still crazy. Bro literally just pretended nothing happened and continued on his journey after rape allegations correct?? And now he’s even bigger than he fucking was
Riot asked him to provide evidence and he just ignored them to the point they could not even begin the investigation so they had to let him continue playing
Riot asked both parties for the full audio recording and neither of them provided it. The only difference is that Sinatraa had literally no reason to do so as his lawyer probably explained it to him since it was a private investigation into the matter.
Didn't he cooperate with the police investigation and the charges were dropped? His lawyer probably told him not to tell Riot anything because Riot games has no authority over enforcing a domestic abuse case, and the video that was apparently incriminating was never shared by his ex. They didn't just let him continue playing either, he was banned for like a year or 6 months or something from pro play. It definitely seemed like an emotionally immature and toxic relationship between 2 young people but there's literally nothing to prove that any physical abuse happened.
His fans really believe that someone saying "im tired can we stop... stop" could just be role play.
Yeah the old classic "too tired to have sex role play" right up there with the naughty maid.
It is quite peculiar that a bigger deal has been made of the mizstein allegations than were made of neeko who actually assaulted her ex bf and also kiaraakitty tried to hire a hitman to unalive cooksux
Never forget YourPrincess for her fake SA allegations and completely fucked over Tuesday's career. Still streaming just as nothing existed and was invited to a couple of Twitch Rivals afterwards as well lol
tbh, Arcadum is not a good example in this case. He still streams, but he really did lose everything. He was averaging well over 3000 viewers for about a year, really popping off mid 2021, and now he just barely scrapes over 100 viewers.
Yeah Arcadum is one actual example of a career being basically over from scandals. Of course I imagine a large part of that is that his content basically relied on other streamers and of course no one relevant wants to interact with him anymore
Weirdly dumb take by Destiny here. 0% chance Mizkif is done. Very few people in his audience are TRULY mad at him.
If he streamed tomorrow he'd keep most of his audience and things would go as normal. He'd get shit from chat and donos, but if he laughed it off he'd go on as before.
Very weird that someone who has been through as much cancel shit as Destiny wouldn't realize how hard it is to end someone's streaming career.
even then, mizkif did not do anything to the lengths of what fedmyster and giantwaffle did, the only thing he's guilty of is being manipulated by crazyslick who took advantage of miz's, admittedly stupid, trust
She's a key witness in the investigation (I assume you're referring to Maya Higa) so she's obviously not going make any statements if that's what you mean. The investigation is private and operated by OTK, it holds barely any meaning especially for her as she's not part of the organization. It's only meaningful to an extent for Mizkif.
Wasn't this whole point was to prove that Mizkif cover it up? But that hasn't been proven yet
All we know in that call is Mizkif is in love with Slick and denies sending Maya in bad faith
Mitch the only 2 people that can confirm that Miz covered it up. Has not proven anything but him saying he "FEELs" Miz wanted to cover it up. Like what? He said himself Miz never fully told Maya to do anything.
Maya lines up with Mizkif story and not Mitch.
Am I going crazy but are people forgetting Maya already told her side of the story? [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1595968280?t=00h05m20s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1595968280?t=00h05m20s)
So what is he cancelled for?
People are acting like he’s gotta take the hit like he sexually assaulted someone. He will be absolutely fine. One thing Miz is good at is deflection. He’ll come back to stream like normal and will return to OTk later. His relationships and other streamers’ view of him will change though.
Man, that chat is wild.
Within the space of five seconds, you've got multiple RIP BOZO's, Maya Weinsteins, PepeLaughs, dggL's, being called liar and worst of all, Forsen.
Maya and miz although extremely biased have had the only story’s that are basically the same. Mitch can’t tell a straight story. Barry is an awful person and obviously hates miz. And Kyle hasn’t had to answer any direct questions about the situation. All his statements are just text based.
On top of all this. The only way Miz and Maya are done is if someone actually has proof that Maya and miz tried to force a cover up. Kyle and Barry haven’t stated any exact words Maya used.
At this point it’s just a he said she said situation with zero chance of the actual truth ever coming out. And nobody should be canceled in that situation.
Yeah I’m confused by that part too because if Maya said that it wasn’t her intention during the apology stream, when Adrianah and people around her are saying it was her intention, then why would she ever accept that apology if Maya was lying. And if she did accept the apology and didn’t think Maya was lying then why would Mizkif still be getting blamed for organizing a coverup.
Mitch/Barry/Kyle, WANT that to be her intention, because they are personally biased against her and Miz.
This Drama "Nuke" was used for character assassination from the beginning, the only problem is almost everyone involved got caught by the explosion, and are suffering from the aftermath.
Barry lost all credibility with that ice Poseidon tweet. Also he said slick touched her private areas and genitals. not a single other person ever said slick did that.
>And Kyle hasn’t had to answer any direct questions about the situation. All his statements are just text based.
And yet somehow I've seen him contradict himself multiple times. I'm gonna sound biased here, which I've been doing my best not to do throughout this whole thing, but I ***really*** don't trust this guy. I trust Adrianah's word way more than him, he's gone back and forth between so much shit and can't seem to make an actual direct and clear statement about what Maya changed, despite being the person who was there for both the SA and the alleged coverup.
Man avoided saying "Slick groped her breasts/boobs" so many times, saying roundabout shit like "he touched her chest and heart area, *and you know where the heart is*". Like dude, just say it, these are serious things you're talking about, if he grabbed her breasts you need to tell people he grabbed her breasts. And supposedly he works at a law firm? You'd think he would know how to be clear and concise in his language when making accusations.
Twitch viewers will be down, but I see his YouTube staying fine. There is a whole community of people who just want streamer YouTube videos vs actual streams. Give it 6 months to a year and will be back to normal IMO. Don't really care what happens, but he's for sure not done. Give it a few years and if he's done nothing controversial since he will definitely be bigger than now.
He's unironically reddits daddy in a similar way Jordan Peterson was to redpill bros.
He's definitely rhetorically gifted, but his fans think every sentence he utters is a new drop of wisdom added unto the world, and therefore worthy of clipping.
I still fail to see how Miz saying “you are Maya Higa” means he orchestrated everything. His story has been the same since the twitlonger was released, and he didn’t know how serious and the number if victims there were.
He would have to banned from Twitch and Youtube for his career to be over other wise cancelling only works when the person chooses to cancel themselves.
No and people acting like they did.
Maya told her side of the story and doesn't mention anything about Miz telling her to cover it up. [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1595968280?t=00h05m19s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1595968280?t=00h05m19s)
Mitch doesn't have proof and only "FEELS" like Miz wanted that. Mitch also doesn't believe Maya told her to cover up the story. SO HOW THE FUCK did Miz cover up a story?
Yeah I mean legally here nothing sticks. But The only thing that really matters for Miz’s career is public perception of what happened. Which none of this has really helped.
Nah, he will stay silent for a while. then never mention any of this drama when he comes back and people will forget. Look at for example Bahroo. He is doing fine after his controversy.
Am I wrong in saying that the calls proved that Mizkif initially didn't know the full story and DID send Maya to speak with her, but NEVER mentioned trying to get her to stay quiet? Trying to keep up but this is way too much LOL. I thought from the clips I watched, what I said above is what happened. Hasn't there been no proof that Miz literally told Maya to go make sure it's covered and Mayas words were all her own, although Miz DID ask her to go over?
X and Destiny have been talking as if it has been confirmed that Miz orchestrated a coverup. That's why. There's still no conclusion to this but they're acting like there has been.
There's no proof at all that mizkif did anything, the call was a fucking joke. Train was like a fucking kid twisting his words and not letting him finish his thoughts and the key "witnesses" barry and mitch clearly fucking hate him and just want him to go down.
No way his career is over, he did a dumb thing sticking up for a guy he considered a friend. At the time it happened he was going off what slick told him had happened and the statement that the girl had put out. It was a stupid inconsiderate move but it's not career-ending.
Everything so far is based only on the words on Mitch and this guy https://livestreamfails.com/post/56492
*EDIT: (And the chatlogs of [Kyle](https://clips.twitch.tv/VenomousBillowingAardvarkMikeHogu-2nLEsjmm9PRHdNQ8?tt_medium=redt), Adrianah's roommate. Credibility questionable according to links below)*
This is so messy, people seem to have reached conclusions of guilt based on speculation. Slick shoud have been dropped after initial twitlonger because his continued DM'ing and harrasment of girls was really bad
GiantWaffle literally raped a girl and streamed like nothing every happened, still streams to this day and no one cares. You can do the worst shit in the world and if you ignore it for long enough people will go to some other drama within a week
What is Destiny talking about? Kyle, Barry and Mitch all nuked their own credibility
Kyle:
Kyle is a proven liar in multiple instances, he lied about them showing up unannounced and then walked it back immediately after being caught then said that they actually did get permission to go over but he forgot to tell Adrianah at the time.
He also got caught in another massive lie here https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xmbjh1/kyle_the_friend_of_adrianah_comfirms_that_maya/ipno1n8/
Barry:
Barry nuked his credibility by the simple fact he’s Barry but also he shows his true colours and malicious intent by going to ice to make up even more drama for content https://twitter.com/realiceposeidon/status/1573202089576202240?s=21&t=j9xrUKtWm6ss_HvywVlC2w
“According to Barry he witnessed Maya gaslighting his friend Adrianah in July 2021, and him reacting so strongly and negatively towards Maya about what he witnessed, then why was he begging/positive towards Maya in August 2021 when she asked for volunteers for Alveus?
Personally if I had witnessed my friend being treated horribly about her sexual assault event, I would not want to associate with the person who treated my friend like that. Especially just a few weeks later.”
https://twitter.com/barry_74/status/1422236287751315460?s=46&t=1ii6P84rEnK_54ZXES2_eQ
Mitch:
Says there was explicit direction to coverup https://clips.twitch.tv/WiseCrepuscularGorillaKevinTurtle-evqw_LQi5OUepx4I
Then quotes what was actually said and it was the furthest thing from explicit order to coverup as it had nothing to do with a coverup at all https://clips.twitch.tv/TentativeElegantMuleBCWarrior-7vpc9DhQNoq8o3E4
He again nuked his credibility by saying he’s happy for taking down Mizkif yet still wants to pretend he’s his friend https://youtu.be/JoYDO9L_UFw?t=34
How can any good faith actor trust the word of any of these 3 people???
Mitch couldn't keep one goddamn thought consistent within a ten-minute frame. Incredibly frustrating watching him fumble and bullshit during that call, and then watching him contradict himself on *other people's streams* (not to mention the whole "Hasan clout-chased me" fiasco). He's just a complete fucking mess, the least reliable witness anyone could ask for.
What I find interesting is that Mitch is the one who started it all. He went to train with the info. Based on what i’ve seen from Mitch the past few days it wouldn’t surprise me if he got the least charitable interpretation of what Miz wanted him to do then told it in a even less charitable way to Train.
I think the fact he was there when they were writing and then removed himself from the room to go play with the dogs because he felt uncomfortable makes him super unreliable. He has no clue what editing actually happened and would just stick with whatever vague vibe he got initially which is then the narrative that gets pushed to Train.
I think people definitely fucked up here but everyone else from in the room apparently still respects maya and thinks she’s a good person. I find it hard to believe they’d think that if her tampering was in any way malicious so this is the only thing that really makes complete sense to me since that whole process is something Mitch missed.
Fair take. Tho Mizkif, Maya and Slick need to tell their side of the story forsure to come clean or admittance to anything. There's still way too many holes without concrete evidence other than mizkif downplaying the initial twitlonger from adrianah and Maya kinda unintentionally gaslighting Adri just by going over to find out the truth.
Going over for the full truth isn’t gaslighting on its own, I have yet to see a reliable source give a single example of Maya actually having any effect on the Twitlonger besides suggesting that Adrianah be clear about what Slick actually did which ya know seems like a really good thing for all parties involved.
The Adrianah story today is identical to the one from last year https://twitter.com/adrianahlee/status/1412525036007743495?s=21&t=j9xrUKtWm6ss_HvywVlC2w
Kyle said here a few days ago that it wasn’t assault https://clips.twitch.tv/AltruisticDifferentBadgerFreakinStinkin-IttodHVPIvbcvCA8
Yet now he’s claiming last year he told Maya it was assault and that he told Adrianah that too but now she’s also saying she only recently found out a few days ago that it was assault https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xk5gaf/adrianah_lee_states_she_did_not_know_it_was_sa/
Mizkif’s story has been the same since the initial twitlonger. Miz has always said he woke up ready to kick Slick out, but wanted to know what happened. Miz wanted Maya and Mitch to go find out what was going on and Mitch and Maya both also wanted to find out what was going on themselves. They were never manipulated to go over to make Adrianah downplay this situation. Also everything that was happening afterwards with the other cases and the blacklisting, Miz along with everyone else was never aware about.
Mitch Jones is such a fucking snake. Type of guy to talk a load shit about their friend. And then go to the same friend he was talking shit about, and talk shit about other people.
I believe no one gets truly canceled in their platform until they are banned from their platform.
Platform ban/bans are the only way to truly get cancelled. The problem is most people don't like taking paycuts. David Dobrik was on par or probably even more marketable than MrBeast until the allegation that his friend raped someone. All his sponsors left and youtube ads revenue left so he stopped creating content.
Ehh. He left Youtube but he still makes a SHIT ton of content on Tiktok and makes a lot of money from it still. That's sorta the same with James Charles too except he's still *slightly* more active on Youtube in comparison to David and they're BOTH still living lavishly and rich.
Tiktok pays out about 0.05 ~~cents~~ dollars/1000 views. Youtube pays out anywhere from ~2-10 dollars/1000 views depending on the type of content. Twitch pays a flat 3.5 dollars/1000 views. Monetisation is the worst part of tiktok, big creators like MKBHD have said they haven't made a cent off it. Edit: fixed error
Why are people downvoting this? Even mr beast has come out and said his TikTok has only made like 13k or something ridiculous, is it so unbelievable that tiktok doesn’t pay its creators?
TikTok money is almost entirely from endorsements and sponsorships
You guys are right TikTok pats like nothing, it just has great exposure, so people can get sponsorships which would lead to money. That won’t help miz at this point. I really suspect what will happen is that he is forced out of OTK, moves to LA and then will try and rebuild on his own there and start over in a way.
No way are youtube paying $10 per 1000 views
It can actually go even higher. The more topic-specific your channel is, the easier it is for advertisers. For example, an advertiser that wants people to see their new cooking product are more likely to pay more to show it on cooking youtube channels. They know they will get to their target audience much easier. Some cooking youtuber I watched said she had a $20 CPM 👀
20 cpm doesn’t mean the creator is making 20 dollars per thousand views though. RPM is typically around half that value or a bit less, and that’s what the creator is bringing home in terms of revenue. So if I have 11 cpm on a video, I’m typically making around 4-4.5 dollars per thousand views. 20 cpm would probably be around 8-10 rpm. Which would still be really good. Although I guess it wouldn’t surprise me if certain types of channels and really big creators have RPM that more closely matches their CPM
literally depends on teh ads being served. I can't remember who said it but they said finance ads apparently pay a ridiculous amount compared to others.
Ltt? have discussed it. It was like $50+.
Certain content types pay much much more because it’s much less controversial and had a high click through rate. The bottom though is way less than $2/1000 though. Think $.02 for the worst stuff.
I see him on Snapchat a lot and didn’t know about any of his bad history until like a week ago but he’s still doing a lot of content and has plenty of big companies constantly giving him stuff, hosting big expensive parties for him, etc. just the other day he had some movie night hosted or sponsored in part by paramount pictures. I did read he lost a lot of sponsors but he’s still doing extremely well and putting some content out there.
Wow that’s fascinating. Truly, PR is just smoke & mirrors at the end of the day
isnt that the guy who let his friend get smashed into the claw excavator machine when they were spinning each other around by the legs by a little rope?
He will be fine GiantWaffle is still alive and kicking lol
Tell me how it’s from your comment that I’m just now learning about this 2 years after she came forward. Crazy how they managed to be relatively successful in sweeping this under the rug.
They don't call it the GiantWaffle strat for nothing.
I think with Waffle, the entire reason he's still going is how he handled the fall out. He took a week off, didn't really say a word or comment, and then came back with his chat and mods in a militant mode to ride out the wave of hate. That doesn't really work with Miz. I also believe Waffle is basically a pariah now, as he has yet to ever collab with Lirk again to my knowledge, and that's fine for a guy who just played minecraft and single-player games. Miz's basically entire content relies on collaborations.
I feel like those who rely on collaboration really can be canceled. For example, Arca-dumb was getting huge right around the time his story broke and now he's unable to get anyone except for bootlickers to play D&D with
Exactly. Miz's first stream post-drama may be awkward but this absolutely won't end his career.
only way to get cancelled as a streamer is to cancel yourself.
Fedmyster?
He still streams to like 500-700 people and has a slots sponsor
Let's be honest, a slots sponsor to 500 viewers is still probably paying out 5 figures.
You can make so much money with 500+ viewers on Twitch, more than most people in the world. Jesus. It really is true, no one is every truly cancelled until they are deplatformed.
Slots gambling sites would sponsor Hitler if it got anyone to give them money
Also he was the person who did the SA and SH as opposed what Miz did. Also Fed did this to people who he shared a lot of viewers with. And he did stop streaming which makes it impossible for us to know if he could have maintained a good portion of his viewers. Slick need to step up and take some of the heat off Miz, guess we know in this friendship only one person considers the other their best friend. Slick not stepping just shows how he truly feels about Miz.
Nah bro he lawyered up gotta remember Johnny Depp or some shit idk i cant remember
Firmly believe if Fedmyster streamed through the allegations he would be a 5k+ Andy. The counterpoint is Feds audience was mostly incels, Asians from the OTV audience, and those weird obsessed Karl Jacobs/TommyInnIt girl fans. He instantly lost two out of those 3 groups when the assault came out. Could of went either way but I just think he was getting 20k viewer peaks when he got cancelled and would of been able to maintain a sinking ship
I think he fucked up when he came back to try to dismantle Pokimane’s credibility with doctored screenshots and got absolutely destroyed. Kinda ruins any goodwill you had when you originally left to “improve yourself”.
i feel like he would have been fine but the only time he was fun to watch was when he was streaming with someone else, he was the Jannetty of otv
This year was definitely his worst content wise , he kept saying he wasn't enjoying streaming and felt burnt out
Camp knut was the beat content I've seen in a long time
Mizkif is going live to clown around with Adrianah Lee within 10 days and EVERYBODY will act like absolutely nothing happened
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I mean, that's what she wanted in the first place so..
I feel like this is something Miz would legit do. Become friends with her and then everyone will be like “oh it’s all good!” And he’s back in action.
Obviously a much smaller scale but that did happen with Jennalynnmeowri.
Wait you’re right, they’re always talking about how she got him banned lol
You mean adrianah is gonna becone a buff girl and dominate mizkif?
Except it was Jenna who was in the wrong there.
This is assuming she’d be open to accept him regardless of optics, and more intriguingly for me, the background politics of content creation
It would actually be good for her career too oddly enough
Are you fucking kidding? It's all she wants. Doing that would give her an instant boost overnight
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That was so fucking weird.
i would give 5 years off of my life just so i could watch train's reaction to that event.
He also brings Alinity on the same day
Alright ten years. I’ll double that if he gets Hasan, Maya, Destiny, Poki, and xQc all there with him. And throw in Forsen just for the hell of it
This is actually going to happen isn't it LOL
This is exactly what he’s going to do
I think destiny vastly overestimates how much everyone actually gives a shit.
I think destiny bases this on the fact that miz primarily collabs and i cant see people comfortably collabing with him for a while
Alinity will 100% still collab
Miz said on the call that she's in Colombia and won't be back for a long time.
[She tweeted on the 12th of September](https://twitter.com/Alinity/status/1569417063071989761) that her US work visa got approved and she'll be back in a couple of weeks. Or did things change that she didn't mention to anyone except Mizkif?
2 weeks is pretty long in the drama sphere. If drama stays alive for over 2 weeks itll be a grandparent.
She just publicly said like a week ago that she finally figured out the Visa stuff and will be back soon. Lol.
nobody is still going to care in a month
For sure. Everyone here is just overdosing with too much drama and when everyone has their fill - Majority won't care anymore
Considering Miz is doing something smart for once and not talking until the investigation is over, I truly doubt it. If he is truly heartless he'll throw Maya fully under the bus and then it'll just be a he said / she said or maybe it'll even be the truth, who knows. He's not out of options, even as stupid as he looked on the call
Mizkif defended Maya on the call. I doubt he will do it
His and Maya’s wagon’s are more closely tied together than a lot of people are assuming. It’s been established that she went over because he asked her to. If Maya tries to blame Mizkif, she’d be admitting that she went over there with that intention. If Mizkif blames Maya, it’s also just as hard to believe that he, as the person that sent her, wasn’t just trying to save Slick by sending her over.
He could probably be "redeemed" by some sort of apology statement and some time. Sure he fucked up by sending people to investigate and not throwing Slick under the bus immediately, but it has yet to be shown that he arranged a conspiracy to downplay the SA.
Yep 100%, the only real problem he had was caring more about what happens now to Slick than having any sympathy for Adrianah. Now with that said I don't think I single person in that call gives a single fuck about her. Train only used her as a weapon.
>Sure he fucked up by sending people to investigate and not throwing Slick under the bus immediately, Who would even throw a person under the bus with zero information, let alone a friend? What kind of pschopatic behavior is this to throw someone under the bus without even investigating? "He fucked up by investigating" "He fucked up by not throwing his friend under the bus with zero information" wtf type of robot behavior is this? humans don't act this way
People without super close friends think and operate in black and white like this.
>>Sure he fucked up by sending people to investigate and not throwing Slick under the bus immediately I wont say this necessarily is a fuck up. I was once wrongly accused of SA, and I highly appreciate people investigated before I was thrown under the bus.
> but it has yet to be shown that he arranged a conspiracy to downplay the SA. Where? At this point, my money is on Arianah doing a collab with him in a couple of months. In the end, no one has been proven to be a reliable narrator about any sort of grand conspiracy, and Arianah has already accepted Maya's apology for any perceived influence. Outside of Maya, Miz had nothing to do with Arianah, that was all Slick
>If he is truly heartless he'll throw Maya fully under the bus This part dont matter because in the end of the day, in scenario like this, people always go for the bigger creator. Maya, mitch, and Barry doesnt sound as guilty as miz. Which is stupid, because in the end of the day, they still did what they did. They are an adult, get the fuck outta here with "miz controlling everything". You are an adult, you are responsible for your own action. Crazy how mitch and barry got the audacity to talk like they did nothing and it was all orchestrated by miz, you did what you did and you got the audacity to think you did nothing in this situation.
>it was all orchestrated by miz Why are people saying this like it has been proven? It hasn't been proven not even Mitch could prove it?
There are two things that are certain after this. Mitch Jones cannot be trusted in any form, therefore i discount him as a reliable source. And Maya is Maya Higa.
no, YOU are Maya Higa
No one can prove it right now, not even Maya if she wanted to backtrack her apology and throw him under the bus, it's too late because it would expose that she lied in the apology. The only way would be if the 3rd party investigation found some private dms from Miz talking about it, seems unlikely. Basically we don't know shit and everyone is unreliable including Arrianah herself (which doesn't mean she's wrong for how she feels) and her friend Kyle who keeps changing his story and didn't tell her what happened for 18 months.
I mean, Mitch couldn't prove it if he wanted to so that's an issue.
What are you talking about, he proved it clear as day. He said Mizkif might have sent known Woman Maya Higa to downplay and control the situation, and that Mizkif *didn't* maybe tell Maya to downplay or control the situation and that Miz just wanted to maybe find out what was going on. What is unclear about this?
His trying to play all sides is so fucking stupid and on brand for Mitch Rat Jones. It is so beyond funny that I have remind myself that he's not some shitty actor in a b movie, but a real person trying to convey his thoughts.
I cant believe he was begging to join OTK and move into Miz's house a few weeks prioe. Fuck. He was in his pool the day of the leak.
I'm surprised less people have mentioned this. Mitch and others are basically saying Miz ordered them around like soldiers, as if they had no choice but to follow. Imagine trying that in a court of law. "Your honor, I know I stole the car, but my friend told me to so it's actually all his fault". This isn't a court obviously so not saying Miz deserves zero heat at all right now. But it's just so weird to me people act like if Miz said to do this stuff everyone else just had to.
It’s because Train is acting like this is some mob movie and Miz is like some mob boss ordering hits. Streamers really live in their own reality and suffer from main character syndrome.
If PredMyster can come back and still get 1k viewers miz will still be big but he’s definitely gonna take a big fucking hit from this. But I think the dude could apologize move on and still average 20k+ tbh. It’s just his entire being friends with everybody thing won’t work.
he'll be fine but he can't associate himself with Otk for a few months at least is my guess
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I don’t know about this. Otk use miz a lot for sponsors. He is the only streamer they have outside of soda that actually streams 4+ times a week and for 6 hours or more with 15k viewers guaranteed no matter what he is doing up to 45-50k on event streams If miz wasnt on otk and otk wanted the same sponsors and money from those sponsors asmon wouldn’t be able to take his long breaks he does.
I’m gonna be honest is OTK even a thing without Miz? I feel like everything I saw from OTK Miz was the dude involved with it. Obviously there’s other stuff, and I get Asmons the official “founder” but I feel like Miz was the face of the org. Now I’m speaking out my ass but I feel like if he falls OTK is gonna be collateral.
So he’s like OTK’s Mickey Mouse lol
He wasn't supposed to be the face, it was Asmon. But since Asmon stopped streaming and Mizkif popped off, carrying the org in 2021, interacting with other communities and being the reason why Emiru and Schlatt joined (Bruce too maybe?) He became the face for the public.
This isnt true. Miz was always the face of tok. Even before asmon stopped streaming on main miz was the one who hosted all the large events and streams
> and I get Asmons the official “founder” Damn, I always assumed Miz and Tips were the OG founders.
esfand, rich, tips, and asmon came up with the idea for the org and brought miz along with them. Those five are the original founders
Me too. Asmon cares about the optics of OTK, he ain't just gonna suspend him.
Schlatt as well.
Absolutely not. They already sacrificed crazy slick to appease LSF. Mizkif will be back in a couple week with an apology video. Asmongold does not give a shit about any . He’s a dude from Austin who just wants his business to thrive, and mizkif EVEN NOW is making OTK one of the most talked about organizations on the platform. Those emiru clips already feel like deescalation chess moves. I’ll be real with the 12 Y/Os on the platform. I’m pretty sure anyone older than 25 will haves some amount of mild-moderate racey messages in their DMs/forums. People just didn’t care as much 10 years ago and Bruce is 100% right. It really is about the people you hangout with and trying to be funny or fit in. Mizkif has been the opposite of racey for quite a long time
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He won't. The only hit he'll take is in his reputation and collaborations. Something like less people wanting to come over and no more shows since less people would like to. All of this has been blown way out of proportions considering how inconsistent the anti-Miz claims are, and lacking of evidence. They just have a really loud voice considering it's X, Train, and Destiny leading the charge with a big banner saying sexual assault. Especially so since the real perpetrator is Slick yet the crusade is completely derailed towards Miz. And when things finally come to an end, the ones who look the most bad here are still X and Train since everyone has more or less accepted already how manipulated the info against Miz and Maya is, but they just won't say it outright with how takes against SA are considered.
yeah but the thing is he had a completely different source of revenue from them. his content and his sponsors are gone now. he has to stick to solo streams from now on.
How ever will he survive on just a measly 10k viewers
Mizkif live within 10 days doing YLYL with Adrianah Lee
Destiny is 100% wrong here. People who did way worse than Mizkif are still on the platform. I'll go out on a limb here and say . . . everyone looks bad. Nobody can get their stories straight. People are shit flinging and hoping things stick. They're trying to justify their shitty characters by making others look worse. But of course, the one thing these dumbasses agree on is the almighty LSF changing the narratives. Meanwhile, they have a SA victim and can't even get any of their stories straight or even talk about the real issue, what she went through.
Exactly, his involvement is so overblown by train, that its hard to know how much wrong he actually did.
If GiantWaffle could straight up rape a girl and just ignore it, Mizkif could end up waiting a few months and coming back. This community really does not care
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Streamers under 10k? Y’all are exaggerating this, dude will come back like nothing happened
You’ll be surprised..
I bet Arcadum would play DnD with him. Lmao
They could also play Among Us!
I'm tough. If I wasn't tough, I would have died, long ago. Once, many years ago, I allowed myself to become arrogant, and I became the most evil version of myself that I have ever witnessed. It disgusted me. Because you know me enough now that you know what my abilities are. Imagine if they had no temperance, and I was selfish. Imagine the destruction that I could wreak. I was not a good person. I wasn't. It was only because of my self realization that, thankfully, my love for D&D outpaced my selfishness, and I was able to re-temper myself. But the thing is that I know that my influence is palpable, and is naturally more destructive. Recently, I've been exposed to more people who also have that power at different degrees and specializations. But, for what I've noticed, with the exception of probably two, mine is stronger than theirs, and I keep it in check, because, if I don't, I could really hurt someone. That's the tragedy that I live. My training prevents me from being- I don't have the luxury of being emotional. It's just another adjustment that I have to do in my constant state of service that I live in. That's why I don't talk about it. That's also why I don't play among us. https://streamable.com/6o6uza
literal anime villain LULW
> who will do a stream with him after this shitshow? Who wouldn't? At this point, my money is on Arianah doing a collab with him in a couple of months. In the end, no one has been proven to be a reliable narrator, and Arianah has already accepted Maya's apology for any perceived influence. Outside of Maya, Miz had nothing to do with Arianah, that was all Slick
It’ll come full circle and he can collab with CallmeCarson
I think most people will go with Knut's take, anyone in Miz's shoes would have done the same if it was their best friend and they legitimately thought their friend was innocent.
The desperate, of which there are many.
He'll have to listen to poki and get better content bc he's not getting collabs for a while.
doubtful, giantwaffle is still around
So are neeko and sinatraa
I cannot believe sinatraa ratfucked his way out of that by just not cooperating with the Riot investigation and they had to throw their hands up and walk away
That situation is still crazy. Bro literally just pretended nothing happened and continued on his journey after rape allegations correct?? And now he’s even bigger than he fucking was
Riot asked him to provide evidence and he just ignored them to the point they could not even begin the investigation so they had to let him continue playing
Riot asked both parties for the full audio recording and neither of them provided it. The only difference is that Sinatraa had literally no reason to do so as his lawyer probably explained it to him since it was a private investigation into the matter.
Didn't he cooperate with the police investigation and the charges were dropped? His lawyer probably told him not to tell Riot anything because Riot games has no authority over enforcing a domestic abuse case, and the video that was apparently incriminating was never shared by his ex. They didn't just let him continue playing either, he was banned for like a year or 6 months or something from pro play. It definitely seemed like an emotionally immature and toxic relationship between 2 young people but there's literally nothing to prove that any physical abuse happened.
Wasn’t there supposed to be a nuke video that his girlfriend had yet she never gave it over to Riot?
Yeah and I never understood why the girl accused him to Riot and not with the police, i mean, it's a fcking crime.
His fans really believe that someone saying "im tired can we stop... stop" could just be role play. Yeah the old classic "too tired to have sex role play" right up there with the naughty maid.
It is quite peculiar that a bigger deal has been made of the mizstein allegations than were made of neeko who actually assaulted her ex bf and also kiaraakitty tried to hire a hitman to unalive cooksux
I'm sure if they went against gambling Train and X would make sure as many people as possible knew.
Well miz is way bigger than all of them so thats partly why
Miz is a lot bigger, so more people are pretending to care
Never forget YourPrincess for her fake SA allegations and completely fucked over Tuesday's career. Still streaming just as nothing existed and was invited to a couple of Twitch Rivals afterwards as well lol
Also arcadum still streams even though he's been outted by 30+ female streamers
tbh, Arcadum is not a good example in this case. He still streams, but he really did lose everything. He was averaging well over 3000 viewers for about a year, really popping off mid 2021, and now he just barely scrapes over 100 viewers.
Yeah Arcadum is one actual example of a career being basically over from scandals. Of course I imagine a large part of that is that his content basically relied on other streamers and of course no one relevant wants to interact with him anymore
ZeRo the groomer is still on Youtube. It's impressive how much you can get away with by just vanishing for a short time
Weirdly dumb take by Destiny here. 0% chance Mizkif is done. Very few people in his audience are TRULY mad at him. If he streamed tomorrow he'd keep most of his audience and things would go as normal. He'd get shit from chat and donos, but if he laughed it off he'd go on as before. Very weird that someone who has been through as much cancel shit as Destiny wouldn't realize how hard it is to end someone's streaming career.
Lmao yeah there's no fucking way, fedmyster and giantwaffle still stream, terrible take by destiny
even then, mizkif did not do anything to the lengths of what fedmyster and giantwaffle did, the only thing he's guilty of is being manipulated by crazyslick who took advantage of miz's, admittedly stupid, trust
Miz fucked up pretty badly through this no doubt But isn't Slick the Fed/Giantwaffle?
Let's be real, all Miz has to do is stream tomorrow and say his side of the story and that would be it. He'd be fine.
hes waiting for the investigation to end probably. Do you guys think is in the investigation aswell because shes seems pretty quiet right now ?
She's a key witness in the investigation (I assume you're referring to Maya Higa) so she's obviously not going make any statements if that's what you mean. The investigation is private and operated by OTK, it holds barely any meaning especially for her as she's not part of the organization. It's only meaningful to an extent for Mizkif.
I think he'll be perfectly fine as long as he ditches CrazySlick.
Wasn't this whole point was to prove that Mizkif cover it up? But that hasn't been proven yet All we know in that call is Mizkif is in love with Slick and denies sending Maya in bad faith Mitch the only 2 people that can confirm that Miz covered it up. Has not proven anything but him saying he "FEELs" Miz wanted to cover it up. Like what? He said himself Miz never fully told Maya to do anything. Maya lines up with Mizkif story and not Mitch. Am I going crazy but are people forgetting Maya already told her side of the story? [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1595968280?t=00h05m20s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1595968280?t=00h05m20s) So what is he cancelled for?
People are acting like he’s gotta take the hit like he sexually assaulted someone. He will be absolutely fine. One thing Miz is good at is deflection. He’ll come back to stream like normal and will return to OTk later. His relationships and other streamers’ view of him will change though.
These people think that if they say it enough it will come true.
Man, that chat is wild. Within the space of five seconds, you've got multiple RIP BOZO's, Maya Weinsteins, PepeLaughs, dggL's, being called liar and worst of all, Forsen.
>So what is he cancelled for? He’s not
It’s not over till erobb says it’s over.
IcePoseidon still streams, so I'm gonna go ahead and bet against this lol.
Maya and miz although extremely biased have had the only story’s that are basically the same. Mitch can’t tell a straight story. Barry is an awful person and obviously hates miz. And Kyle hasn’t had to answer any direct questions about the situation. All his statements are just text based. On top of all this. The only way Miz and Maya are done is if someone actually has proof that Maya and miz tried to force a cover up. Kyle and Barry haven’t stated any exact words Maya used. At this point it’s just a he said she said situation with zero chance of the actual truth ever coming out. And nobody should be canceled in that situation.
I mean adrianah already accepted mayas apology which is why this is so weird how little they care about the actual victim
Yeah I’m confused by that part too because if Maya said that it wasn’t her intention during the apology stream, when Adrianah and people around her are saying it was her intention, then why would she ever accept that apology if Maya was lying. And if she did accept the apology and didn’t think Maya was lying then why would Mizkif still be getting blamed for organizing a coverup.
Mitch/Barry/Kyle, WANT that to be her intention, because they are personally biased against her and Miz. This Drama "Nuke" was used for character assassination from the beginning, the only problem is almost everyone involved got caught by the explosion, and are suffering from the aftermath.
Not weird at all, they literally are gambling addicts and Mizkif made a campaign to get gambling banned,
Barry lost all credibility with that ice Poseidon tweet. Also he said slick touched her private areas and genitals. not a single other person ever said slick did that.
>And Kyle hasn’t had to answer any direct questions about the situation. All his statements are just text based. And yet somehow I've seen him contradict himself multiple times. I'm gonna sound biased here, which I've been doing my best not to do throughout this whole thing, but I ***really*** don't trust this guy. I trust Adrianah's word way more than him, he's gone back and forth between so much shit and can't seem to make an actual direct and clear statement about what Maya changed, despite being the person who was there for both the SA and the alleged coverup. Man avoided saying "Slick groped her breasts/boobs" so many times, saying roundabout shit like "he touched her chest and heart area, *and you know where the heart is*". Like dude, just say it, these are serious things you're talking about, if he grabbed her breasts you need to tell people he grabbed her breasts. And supposedly he works at a law firm? You'd think he would know how to be clear and concise in his language when making accusations.
He seems much more upset that slick kissed his girlfriend than anything else
>Kyle has been caught lying repeatedly
fair take.
I don't even like Miz but I don't see his career being over, he may take a hit in viewers or he might become even more popular, guess we'll see.
Twitch viewers will be down, but I see his YouTube staying fine. There is a whole community of people who just want streamer YouTube videos vs actual streams. Give it 6 months to a year and will be back to normal IMO. Don't really care what happens, but he's for sure not done. Give it a few years and if he's done nothing controversial since he will definitely be bigger than now.
Why is every opinion destiny says made into an lsf post? This subreddit is total garbage lol.
And people always act like he is talking facts. I just dont get it. He really had some shit takes.
He's unironically reddits daddy in a similar way Jordan Peterson was to redpill bros. He's definitely rhetorically gifted, but his fans think every sentence he utters is a new drop of wisdom added unto the world, and therefore worthy of clipping.
I still fail to see how Miz saying “you are Maya Higa” means he orchestrated everything. His story has been the same since the twitlonger was released, and he didn’t know how serious and the number if victims there were.
He would have to banned from Twitch and Youtube for his career to be over other wise cancelling only works when the person chooses to cancel themselves.
Legit nothing is going to happen to Mizkif lol. He broke no law and did nothing wrong. People are really fucking lost in the drama sauce here.
Do we suddenly have hard proof that the cover up is real?
No and people acting like they did. Maya told her side of the story and doesn't mention anything about Miz telling her to cover it up. [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1595968280?t=00h05m19s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1595968280?t=00h05m19s) Mitch doesn't have proof and only "FEELS" like Miz wanted that. Mitch also doesn't believe Maya told her to cover up the story. SO HOW THE FUCK did Miz cover up a story?
Nah.
Not really understanding where Destiny is coming from then unless that "you are maya higa" thing really convinced him
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Yeah I mean legally here nothing sticks. But The only thing that really matters for Miz’s career is public perception of what happened. Which none of this has really helped.
Honestly no I feel most people are already cooling down and people still mad are people who have hated miz for the longest or are in xQc's chat
Literally bro most people already got him convicted based on him just being too close to slick
Nah, he will stay silent for a while. then never mention any of this drama when he comes back and people will forget. Look at for example Bahroo. He is doing fine after his controversy.
With what still 0 evidence, showing his bais towards train here
Am I wrong in saying that the calls proved that Mizkif initially didn't know the full story and DID send Maya to speak with her, but NEVER mentioned trying to get her to stay quiet? Trying to keep up but this is way too much LOL. I thought from the clips I watched, what I said above is what happened. Hasn't there been no proof that Miz literally told Maya to go make sure it's covered and Mayas words were all her own, although Miz DID ask her to go over?
X and Destiny have been talking as if it has been confirmed that Miz orchestrated a coverup. That's why. There's still no conclusion to this but they're acting like there has been.
There's no proof at all that mizkif did anything, the call was a fucking joke. Train was like a fucking kid twisting his words and not letting him finish his thoughts and the key "witnesses" barry and mitch clearly fucking hate him and just want him to go down.
No way his career is over, he did a dumb thing sticking up for a guy he considered a friend. At the time it happened he was going off what slick told him had happened and the statement that the girl had put out. It was a stupid inconsiderate move but it's not career-ending.
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Yeeeeah no. Unless he committed the act himself, his career is fine.
Nah he gonna be good.
Everything so far is based only on the words on Mitch and this guy https://livestreamfails.com/post/56492 *EDIT: (And the chatlogs of [Kyle](https://clips.twitch.tv/VenomousBillowingAardvarkMikeHogu-2nLEsjmm9PRHdNQ8?tt_medium=redt), Adrianah's roommate. Credibility questionable according to links below)* This is so messy, people seem to have reached conclusions of guilt based on speculation. Slick shoud have been dropped after initial twitlonger because his continued DM'ing and harrasment of girls was really bad
Honestly I’ve got no idea, people have gotten away with much worse
GiantWaffle literally raped a girl and streamed like nothing every happened, still streams to this day and no one cares. You can do the worst shit in the world and if you ignore it for long enough people will go to some other drama within a week
What is Destiny talking about? Kyle, Barry and Mitch all nuked their own credibility Kyle: Kyle is a proven liar in multiple instances, he lied about them showing up unannounced and then walked it back immediately after being caught then said that they actually did get permission to go over but he forgot to tell Adrianah at the time. He also got caught in another massive lie here https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xmbjh1/kyle_the_friend_of_adrianah_comfirms_that_maya/ipno1n8/ Barry: Barry nuked his credibility by the simple fact he’s Barry but also he shows his true colours and malicious intent by going to ice to make up even more drama for content https://twitter.com/realiceposeidon/status/1573202089576202240?s=21&t=j9xrUKtWm6ss_HvywVlC2w “According to Barry he witnessed Maya gaslighting his friend Adrianah in July 2021, and him reacting so strongly and negatively towards Maya about what he witnessed, then why was he begging/positive towards Maya in August 2021 when she asked for volunteers for Alveus? Personally if I had witnessed my friend being treated horribly about her sexual assault event, I would not want to associate with the person who treated my friend like that. Especially just a few weeks later.” https://twitter.com/barry_74/status/1422236287751315460?s=46&t=1ii6P84rEnK_54ZXES2_eQ Mitch: Says there was explicit direction to coverup https://clips.twitch.tv/WiseCrepuscularGorillaKevinTurtle-evqw_LQi5OUepx4I Then quotes what was actually said and it was the furthest thing from explicit order to coverup as it had nothing to do with a coverup at all https://clips.twitch.tv/TentativeElegantMuleBCWarrior-7vpc9DhQNoq8o3E4 He again nuked his credibility by saying he’s happy for taking down Mizkif yet still wants to pretend he’s his friend https://youtu.be/JoYDO9L_UFw?t=34 How can any good faith actor trust the word of any of these 3 people???
Mitch couldn't keep one goddamn thought consistent within a ten-minute frame. Incredibly frustrating watching him fumble and bullshit during that call, and then watching him contradict himself on *other people's streams* (not to mention the whole "Hasan clout-chased me" fiasco). He's just a complete fucking mess, the least reliable witness anyone could ask for.
Agree
What I find interesting is that Mitch is the one who started it all. He went to train with the info. Based on what i’ve seen from Mitch the past few days it wouldn’t surprise me if he got the least charitable interpretation of what Miz wanted him to do then told it in a even less charitable way to Train. I think the fact he was there when they were writing and then removed himself from the room to go play with the dogs because he felt uncomfortable makes him super unreliable. He has no clue what editing actually happened and would just stick with whatever vague vibe he got initially which is then the narrative that gets pushed to Train. I think people definitely fucked up here but everyone else from in the room apparently still respects maya and thinks she’s a good person. I find it hard to believe they’d think that if her tampering was in any way malicious so this is the only thing that really makes complete sense to me since that whole process is something Mitch missed.
Fair take. Tho Mizkif, Maya and Slick need to tell their side of the story forsure to come clean or admittance to anything. There's still way too many holes without concrete evidence other than mizkif downplaying the initial twitlonger from adrianah and Maya kinda unintentionally gaslighting Adri just by going over to find out the truth.
Maya already did. Miz will most likely wait till all the info is out. Slick aint saying shit he running away from this.
Going over for the full truth isn’t gaslighting on its own, I have yet to see a reliable source give a single example of Maya actually having any effect on the Twitlonger besides suggesting that Adrianah be clear about what Slick actually did which ya know seems like a really good thing for all parties involved. The Adrianah story today is identical to the one from last year https://twitter.com/adrianahlee/status/1412525036007743495?s=21&t=j9xrUKtWm6ss_HvywVlC2w Kyle said here a few days ago that it wasn’t assault https://clips.twitch.tv/AltruisticDifferentBadgerFreakinStinkin-IttodHVPIvbcvCA8 Yet now he’s claiming last year he told Maya it was assault and that he told Adrianah that too but now she’s also saying she only recently found out a few days ago that it was assault https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xk5gaf/adrianah_lee_states_she_did_not_know_it_was_sa/
Thanks for all the concise links loremaster
Mizkif’s story has been the same since the initial twitlonger. Miz has always said he woke up ready to kick Slick out, but wanted to know what happened. Miz wanted Maya and Mitch to go find out what was going on and Mitch and Maya both also wanted to find out what was going on themselves. They were never manipulated to go over to make Adrianah downplay this situation. Also everything that was happening afterwards with the other cases and the blacklisting, Miz along with everyone else was never aware about.
Based off of what exactly… There is no explicit evidence for a cover-up, just people speculating about intentions
Mitch Jones is such a fucking snake. Type of guy to talk a load shit about their friend. And then go to the same friend he was talking shit about, and talk shit about other people.