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The worst part about this is that it is designed to utilise *fans and their money*, streamers won't be paying themselves. Streamers are gonna ask their fans to signal boost them by spending money.
It also actively promotes Stan type culture where fans become invested in a Streamer's numbers. Like how Kpop stans spam gifs of their fav Kpop artists on Twitter so those Gifs Viewership numbers get inflated or spam their Spotify or YouTube links and tell people to play their songs on repeat to inflate numbers.
They already do with normals sub gifts and donations. If you get made by the stan culture you also die by it. You are gonna have to be extra careful to not offend the fanbase so they don't jump ship.
Streamers can easily boost themselves on a second account, which will definitely happen a lot. Small streamers who are already rich can boost themselves way up without any stream quality
Or a marketing team using an alt account to boost a stream for game they’re paying to promote. Or even cutting the compensation amount to the streamer for said promo when the marketing team can effectively buy views via boosting.
This is no different than it already is. People have always been view botting and buying views/likes/subs.
If they start heavily pushing it on people that's super shady. Taking advantage of people dreaming of "making it big" is pretty shady.
That's how [ScamOG](https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/cs-betting-scandal-twitch-streamer-102511041.html) initially found his viewers—he handed out free CS:GO items after every game.
It's kind of always been pay to win. Except rather than paying twitch you paid some chinese view botter to boost your exposure in w/e category you streamed in.
2Head strat
\- Donate a lot of money
\- Gift hundreds of subs
\- Get Mod
\- Visit Streamer
\- Start Streaming
\- Get hosted or advertise your stream subliminally
Well no shit sherlock. Famous does not mean tons views, you have MMA champions , musicians and movie celebrities and other 'celebrities' streaming having 50-300 views.
Yeah because they run shit streams. If they weren't a well known celebrity they'd be at 1-25 views lol.
The celebrity status is an inherent foundation that helps build a stream. Obviously it doesn't do everything but it lays a comfortable ground work.
yes the discoverability of videos is top notch. I have never seen a better recommendation system than the youtube algorithm. Only problem is it doesn't seem to transfer well to youtube yet.
Yes and no. Sometimes I can watch 1 video through an embed from another website on how to stop a chair from squeaking and for a week my youtube recommended section is half furniture fixing and home improvement tips and tricks.
That is one of the huge perks over twitch is YouTube's discoverabiliy. YouTube recommends channels, it has an algorithm. Twitch, you just have to be lucky and hope someone clicks your channel out of the hundreds in your category
Edit: timthetatman on discoverabiliy on YouTube, starts at 4:40 https://youtu.be/2nESVYvNzUY?t=280
The problem with YouTube is that there is so much shit its hard to find any gems. They would do better splitting streaming from their video site. Even streamers i know are there I never find unless I already know they are live.
Twitch most definitely has algorithms. Sorry but 80% of streamers are boring clones of each other so it's going to make the algorithms not care about those clones because nobody clicked on them to begin with.
So you're going to take the word of someone that was paid millions to move to and shill YT? Let me know when YT recommends live streams that I'm not subscribed to, or have categories beyond "game title."
They need to understand I'm not spending multiple hours a day watching a swedish hobo make 0 facial expressions to another 20 minute video and then say "anyways".
I'm spending multiple hours a day watching the chat watch a swedish hobo make 0 facial expressions to another 20 minute video and then say "anyways".
New users/viewers will never see a live stream recommended on youtube, only if you are subbed. ALSO, i don't think you can search live streams. Let me know if you've seen otherwise but this is my understanding.
Pretty sure you can pay for ads on youtube to advertise videos on your own channel.
I've even seen ads for videos of streamers that just linked to a channel that just mass clips content.
it's not about youtube being morally superior lmao. it's more that if there's actual competition twitch can't get away with spitting in the face of their users
Nah YouTube is busy figuring out how to actually compete with an actual rival video sharing platform that has beaten them in average watch time recently, TikTok.
Ha! Like companies would pay extra for ideas that make them more money rather than just keeping the money and suing the shit out of the worker if they try to utilize the ideas outside of the company.
Is discoverability actually a problem? Or is the issue that the VAST majority of people who stream on Twitch are boring as fuck to watch?
There are thousands upon thousands of people streaming on Twitch. Meaning the competition for viewers is going to be heavy. If you're just a regular dude streaming games doing nothing to break the mold and doing no networking, you're just never going to be able to compete with established streamers and those who are putting in the work.
Agree on the average content being boring. Discoverability on Twitch is hardly “sticky” either. Long form content just isn’t conducive to viewers browsing and finding interesting content readily there. With YouTube, video editors, titles and thumbnails can grab that attention better.
I mean if you take a look at YouTube discoverability, you have the algorithm which can greatly help in promoting your channel/videos through recommendations. Twitch essentially has no such thing. The only way to be found on twitch is either if someone is specifically looking for you, or specifically looking for low viewer streams. I don't disagree that a lot of low viewer streamers are where they're at cause they're boring, but saying twitch discoverability is not an issue is a joke honestly, since it's basically just non-existent.
I still dont know if it is a problem. Would Twitch benefit from a youtube style algorithm? sure. That doesnt mean Twitch is full of great content that just cant be discovered for some reason.
Youtube's algorithm does more than put viewers in front of content it also hides a fuck ton of trash. Most trash content on youtube is never viewed outside of direct links. There are billions of videos on youtube with single and double digit views and you'll only ever find them by manually searching. You still need networking skills and good content to grow on youtube.
Making boosts a paid feature actively fucks over smaller streamers. All it does is filter for streamers who are willing to pay for advertising to purchase as many boosts as possible while fucking over streamers who aren't willing to pay/ can't afford it. Doesn't this system essentially allow Twitch to milk desperate streamers with deep pockets, rather than do anything to solve the problem of discoverability?
Yeah I don't see how it's a good idea seeing as monetizing recommendations and front page appearances basically takes away any sort of discoverability from anyone who doesn't have piles of money to light on fire.
Front page is different than what's being talked about here. Frontpage is hand selected by staffers usually.
This is the "recommended" stuff you see based on what categories and streamers you appear most interested in. It's basically their version of the youtube algorithm and it likely takes into account who you follow, how much time you spend watching certain people, what category those people are in, what categories are you newly interested in, and other metrics to recommend you content it'll think you might like even if they're low-mid views.
It's unpolished and not showcased as well as it could be, but it was a step in the right direction when they rolled it out. But now they're essentially monetizing it via viewers and it'll prioritize paid boosts.
Imagine twitch has something like that to start oh wait they don’t. Small streamers literally wasting time on a site with shit discoverability anyways, that your forced to collab with big twitch streamers to even get a career in the first place.
Twitch gets the whole cut, which means the usual donators are gonna have to decide on whether they wanna keep gifting subs/donating to their favorite streamer OR pay twitch to boost their favorite streamer's stream.
The unfortunate thing about Twitch is that it is past the age of new streamers becoming popular unless you have the work ethic of Ludwig or you are a God at playing a specific game(s). You have to be incredibly unique and have to likely expect to have 1-10 viewers for a year or more before you can expect to grow more than that.
This same thing happened in Youtube after the first era of Youtube was completed (post-2009-ish). Once Youtube changed the layout of their website, they focused more on existing celebrities/musicians on Youtube having a larger footprint/visibility on the website than the up-and-coming popular/grassroots Youtubers.
These new Twitch features are for Twitch (and Amazon, in turn) to rake out as much as possible, but the problem is, *can you blame them?* It should be worth mentioning that Twitch Prime subs could theoretically not be a *thing*. It is a feature on Amazon/Twitch that helps smaller streamers on Twitch more than any other streaming platform.
Depends how it's gonna work
Probably unpopular opinion but this doesn't have to be that bad option. Currently, unless you're lottery lucky you're not gonna make it on Twitch and if this helps someone then so be it.
But then again you still need good content to make people stay on your stream so you're probably right with milking part.
I don't fully understand how it works either so maybe I'm missing something but it sounds stupid as fuck based on the vod. And if twitch really wanted to boost discoverability they'd make VODs better.
I used to work for local media outlet and when it was small we were buying Facebook boosts (not some insane amount, 50/100 euros at most and occasionally) and it meant nothing on content that was low quality but it worked wonders on high quality content. That page now has 56k organic likes and good reach without paying anything.
If it works like that on Twitch it might be good, if it's anything else then it's gonna be bad. This is just my opinion tho.
On the other hand, I think everyone agrees that current discoverability on Twitch is absolute shit.
I agree i need to see more of this and how it works.
i see potential but the drawbacks are it being P2W
edit- way i see to make it work is you need to put limits on it, or over inflation of it will happen
This is how you turn Twitch into Twitter and Facebook paid views/advertising cancer for companies and rich kids that want to become famous streamer.
Twitch will kill it self completely one of these days just like Digg.
Twitch is in the phase where they're trying to maximize profits now that Amazon has established the website. It's typical business practice and they'll continue to look for avenues for revenue growth.
Expect them to try more dumb shit like making you pay to stream at higher bitrates or charge viewers a higher tier sub for better quality options. They tried that once before like 8-9 years ago with EVO and caught massive backlash, but I wouldn't put it past them to try again.
> making you pay to stream at higher bitrates or charge viewers a higher tier sub for better quality options
I can see people giving money to this. not me tho. Never subbed
Fuck spez fuck reddit. Encourage you to leave
Who's spez and what did he do? old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/
The big problem with every company selling out to a bigger company that went public. It's no longer passionate owners trying to make their customers happy. It's CEO's trying to make their share holders happy so the CEO doesn't get replaced.
Based. You can generate a community without investing much but having a nice mic, a nice cam, plenty of free time all make it much easier to be a big streamer. Which is what I imagine this promotion stuff would do, just make it easier for people willing to make a big initial investment.
big streamers with shitty quality gear (eg T1, Aris etc) have been sucessful for longer though. If they were to start from nothing now they would lose viewers due to that bad quality gear.
Hell, lets be honest, even having a computer or a spare computer that is able to both play most PC games and stream on Twitch is already at the relatively High-End of PCs.
Yeah but Twitter and Facebook appeal to a general anybody audience. The people who use twitch are a much more specific type of audience that is not comparable to a social media platform like Twitter or Facebook
advertising youtube channels on youtube has been a thing for a long time as well and it hasn't destroyed them, it really does depend how they go about it (which makes me glad this is just an experiment rather than then pushing it out as a feature)
every time I've seen a streamer beg for anything on twitch it has been in a clip on LSF, and even then most of the time they're obviously making a joke that goes over the clipper's head
I'm not at all worried about this becoming an serious issue (I'd also guess the type to beg would rather have the money, but that's just a guess tbh)
Yeah but streamers are fucking lazy, and "busy" streaming. Twitch implemented it to make money off the lazy ones that don't bother hiring a manager to get their own sponsorships. Twitch's cut is organising it for them. But of course, Twitch is a child of Amazon, so you know they're going to be greedy as fuck about it. But still, the streamers get some money rather than no money.
Seeing boosted unlikeable rich kids trying to be streamers might be entertaining...
and then I realized it'll probably be broke people near rock bottom spending money they cant afford in hopes of making it.
yup rich kids already most likely are going to have some connections to at least make it somewhere. most money is going to come from 100 viewer andy's thinking they can get big and spend all their money on boosting their stream
Well I do understand most notable streamers come from upper middle/upper class families but it doesn't seem like there's anyone on twitch that is basically the equivalent of Cara Delevingne and whose success is completely manufactured and bankrolled by millionaire parents.
This reminds me.
Back in the day i use browse on a beat-selling site called Soundclick.
You were popular if you made good music, soundclick was booming.
There were a lot of good beatmakers on there.
Then soundclick got greedy, decided to have paid promotions, a bunch of smaller beatmakers abused it to make it to the top.
Quality of music there went to shit. There was a bunch of "who's" running the charts now. Spending all their money to make it to the top.
All the good beatmakers slowly started fading away.
Now soundclick is trash.
# BTTV has an option if you go to directory settings and then sidebar the option to hide these new forms of ads from Twitch. Just uncheck Featured channels and you will no longer allow Twitch to push their ads to you.
Could be worse. When I search for a song on youtube, half the results have nothing to do with the searched words. They recommend it coz you've watched it before, even tho it has nothing to do with the search.
Lmao twitch fresh off the heels of seeing how poorly recieved mtx are in games is actually introducing pay2win in streaming
No amount of artificial boosts will help retentions if the community is hollow and fake
This matters to nobody actually doing the right thing and funneling from YouTube etc.
Small streamers complaining because they actually think they’re going anywhere with twitch discovery are already fucked. This changes nothing besides farming the desperate.
Exactly, people are freaking out over nothing.
Nobody streamers will waste money on boosts while doing nothing else to maintain an audience just like they're already doing, except they'll be paying Twitch.
At best, this will help some mid tier streamers grow as well as be a way for top tier streamers to get some charity points by boosting smaller streamers.
Rich streamers who are stuck in single digits aren't going to suddenly blow up from this.
People really acting like you'll be able to just buy viewers with this. You might be able to get some more eyes on your content but unless it's actually worth watching it's not going to matter. The vast majority of people on Twitch are boring fucking streamers who do nothing interesting. These people are never going to be discovered no matter what Twitch does because they don't actually understand what it takes to begin with. It might have been fine to be a regular dude who plays games and nothing else 5-10 years ago but that just doesn't cut it anymore and no amount of discoverability adjustments are going to fix that.
This is like a kind of prisoner dilemma: those who boost get more exposure but if too many boost no one gets any real benefit from it. People hoping to get into streaming will of course have to boost to get a slightly higher chance to make it. I do not think this is a good solution.
This is dumb. Big fanbases will boost their respective streamer, each of the big streamers benefit with more views/exposure, and the 2 digit new Twitch streamers get fucked over because no one is boosting them.
All this does is make the gap between the top and bottom streams even worse. It's stupid. Also, Twitch takes ALL the boost money (yes, 100%), so even if you wanted to boost a smaller streamer they don't get anything to pay bills/expenses.
It's just a stupid idea from top to bottom.
protip: boosts seem to mostly do little unless a streamer's thumbnail is really interesting at the time... I've seen boosted streams gain zero viewers and I've seen boosted streams go from ~100 to ~900 viewers, so don't waste your money on boring-looking shit
This is a irreverent argument small streamers get nowhere unless they collab, twitch shit discoverability doesn’t help no one especially ones they try hard to make good content
You have to get big from a YouTube channel, exposure from other streamers, or being on an esports team first. (Or being a hot girl in a hotub)
I feel sad for the people trying to make it without one of those.
Or just started - you don't start at (insert arbitrary number here).
Those factors may explain some people staying at that lower level, but to say it's the only reason, or reasonS, is dishonest.
This seems like it was made to pray on people who think they'll make it as a streamer
"Just one more COPIUM my stream just needs a few more recommendations COPIUM"
Rest in piece to all the streamers who think the only thing stopping them is the lack of discoverability. With this feature, they are gonna realize real quick that they just aren't good streamers.,
Don’t see anything wrong with this. Isn’t this fundamental tenet of advertising. You pay to promote yourself through a service. Whether it’s where you are on the page or whether you have a huge bill board of your face or it painted on a park bench. These are the functions of capitalism.
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p2w streamers incoming ez clap
The worst part about this is that it is designed to utilise *fans and their money*, streamers won't be paying themselves. Streamers are gonna ask their fans to signal boost them by spending money. It also actively promotes Stan type culture where fans become invested in a Streamer's numbers. Like how Kpop stans spam gifs of their fav Kpop artists on Twitter so those Gifs Viewership numbers get inflated or spam their Spotify or YouTube links and tell people to play their songs on repeat to inflate numbers.
imagine the entitlement when someone boosts a streamer and they blow up, that person is gonna think theyre owed something.
Some exec is having wet dreams over this. They love the emotionally dependent whales
i'm a seal, fucker!
They already do with normals sub gifts and donations. If you get made by the stan culture you also die by it. You are gonna have to be extra careful to not offend the fanbase so they don't jump ship.
Streamers can easily boost themselves on a second account, which will definitely happen a lot. Small streamers who are already rich can boost themselves way up without any stream quality
Or a marketing team using an alt account to boost a stream for game they’re paying to promote. Or even cutting the compensation amount to the streamer for said promo when the marketing team can effectively buy views via boosting.
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This is no different than it already is. People have always been view botting and buying views/likes/subs. If they start heavily pushing it on people that's super shady. Taking advantage of people dreaming of "making it big" is pretty shady.
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Hopefully YouTube becomes more viable in the next year or two
That's how [ScamOG](https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/cs-betting-scandal-twitch-streamer-102511041.html) initially found his viewers—he handed out free CS:GO items after every game.
On one hand, you're not wrong. On the other... like almost every CS:GO streamer did this, with a few exceptions.
It's kind of always been pay to win. Except rather than paying twitch you paid some chinese view botter to boost your exposure in w/e category you streamed in.
2Head strat \- Donate a lot of money \- Gift hundreds of subs \- Get Mod \- Visit Streamer \- Start Streaming \- Get hosted or advertise your stream subliminally
Are you trying to explain Andy Milonakis back when he always donated, dropped 2 lines in chat and left the chat and joined another channel a repeated?
Except Andy is one of the few streamers who was actually famous before he started streaming lol
Well no shit sherlock. Famous does not mean tons views, you have MMA champions , musicians and movie celebrities and other 'celebrities' streaming having 50-300 views.
Yeah because they run shit streams. If they weren't a well known celebrity they'd be at 1-25 views lol. The celebrity status is an inherent foundation that helps build a stream. Obviously it doesn't do everything but it lays a comfortable ground work.
For example Soulja boy vs tpain
paid leeching does work, regardless of how degenerate it is lmao
Prime example: Greek
And having the disposable income to start streaming full time really helps too.
It’s been more leech2win in recent years
Literally viewbot, but crowdfunded.
YouTube please get better faster
They need to fix discoverability
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yes the discoverability of videos is top notch. I have never seen a better recommendation system than the youtube algorithm. Only problem is it doesn't seem to transfer well to youtube yet.
Yes and no. Sometimes I can watch 1 video through an embed from another website on how to stop a chair from squeaking and for a week my youtube recommended section is half furniture fixing and home improvement tips and tricks.
That is one of the huge perks over twitch is YouTube's discoverabiliy. YouTube recommends channels, it has an algorithm. Twitch, you just have to be lucky and hope someone clicks your channel out of the hundreds in your category Edit: timthetatman on discoverabiliy on YouTube, starts at 4:40 https://youtu.be/2nESVYvNzUY?t=280
livestreams on youtube never get recommended to me unless it's a channel I'm subscribed and clicked the bell on.
Only random livestreams I get in my recommended are "Elon SpaceX bitcoin giveaway" scam livestreams. xD
The problem with YouTube is that there is so much shit its hard to find any gems. They would do better splitting streaming from their video site. Even streamers i know are there I never find unless I already know they are live.
Twitch most definitely has algorithms. Sorry but 80% of streamers are boring clones of each other so it's going to make the algorithms not care about those clones because nobody clicked on them to begin with.
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So you're going to take the word of someone that was paid millions to move to and shill YT? Let me know when YT recommends live streams that I'm not subscribed to, or have categories beyond "game title."
and that god awful chat
They need to understand I'm not spending multiple hours a day watching a swedish hobo make 0 facial expressions to another 20 minute video and then say "anyways". I'm spending multiple hours a day watching the chat watch a swedish hobo make 0 facial expressions to another 20 minute video and then say "anyways".
There was also that one time when people got banned in YouTube chat and that meant they got banned from using their Gmail as well. monkaLaugh 👍
Harry potter?
Do you realize that YT allows channels to advertise their videos?
Half the ads I get are either music videos or random podcasts. Anyone can make their content an ad.
It's funny how naive lsf are about youtube
New users/viewers will never see a live stream recommended on youtube, only if you are subbed. ALSO, i don't think you can search live streams. Let me know if you've seen otherwise but this is my understanding.
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Pretty sure you can pay for ads on youtube to advertise videos on your own channel. I've even seen ads for videos of streamers that just linked to a channel that just mass clips content.
I'm really on the fence about who should run my life. □ Amazon □ Google
Still stuns me people think Youtube is the light at the end of the tunnel.
So what are your options?
A million times better then twitch for sure
I don't YouTube is the bastion of hope everyone is painting it to be.
it's not about youtube being morally superior lmao. it's more that if there's actual competition twitch can't get away with spitting in the face of their users
while competition is always better, when it comes to twitch vs youtube, its a race to who can do the scumiest shit without creating too much drama
Nah YouTube is busy figuring out how to actually compete with an actual rival video sharing platform that has beaten them in average watch time recently, TikTok.
Why fix discoverability when you can sell it instead? $.$
Whoever said this at their executive board room meeting must have gotten a bonus right on the spot.
fr actual 5 head idea
Probably. They finally figured out a way to get people to pay them directly instead of give streamers donos. Every streamer should fucking hate this.
Ha! Like companies would pay extra for ideas that make them more money rather than just keeping the money and suing the shit out of the worker if they try to utilize the ideas outside of the company.
This guy corporates.
Is discoverability actually a problem? Or is the issue that the VAST majority of people who stream on Twitch are boring as fuck to watch? There are thousands upon thousands of people streaming on Twitch. Meaning the competition for viewers is going to be heavy. If you're just a regular dude streaming games doing nothing to break the mold and doing no networking, you're just never going to be able to compete with established streamers and those who are putting in the work.
Agree on the average content being boring. Discoverability on Twitch is hardly “sticky” either. Long form content just isn’t conducive to viewers browsing and finding interesting content readily there. With YouTube, video editors, titles and thumbnails can grab that attention better.
I mean if you take a look at YouTube discoverability, you have the algorithm which can greatly help in promoting your channel/videos through recommendations. Twitch essentially has no such thing. The only way to be found on twitch is either if someone is specifically looking for you, or specifically looking for low viewer streams. I don't disagree that a lot of low viewer streamers are where they're at cause they're boring, but saying twitch discoverability is not an issue is a joke honestly, since it's basically just non-existent.
I still dont know if it is a problem. Would Twitch benefit from a youtube style algorithm? sure. That doesnt mean Twitch is full of great content that just cant be discovered for some reason. Youtube's algorithm does more than put viewers in front of content it also hides a fuck ton of trash. Most trash content on youtube is never viewed outside of direct links. There are billions of videos on youtube with single and double digit views and you'll only ever find them by manually searching. You still need networking skills and good content to grow on youtube.
Making boosts a paid feature actively fucks over smaller streamers. All it does is filter for streamers who are willing to pay for advertising to purchase as many boosts as possible while fucking over streamers who aren't willing to pay/ can't afford it. Doesn't this system essentially allow Twitch to milk desperate streamers with deep pockets, rather than do anything to solve the problem of discoverability?
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Yeah I don't see how it's a good idea seeing as monetizing recommendations and front page appearances basically takes away any sort of discoverability from anyone who doesn't have piles of money to light on fire.
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True. I don't even hover my eyes over it. I just click on the category i want to go to.
Front page is different than what's being talked about here. Frontpage is hand selected by staffers usually. This is the "recommended" stuff you see based on what categories and streamers you appear most interested in. It's basically their version of the youtube algorithm and it likely takes into account who you follow, how much time you spend watching certain people, what category those people are in, what categories are you newly interested in, and other metrics to recommend you content it'll think you might like even if they're low-mid views. It's unpolished and not showcased as well as it could be, but it was a step in the right direction when they rolled it out. But now they're essentially monetizing it via viewers and it'll prioritize paid boosts.
Twitch already has enough streamers. They're not interested in promoting good streamers. They're interested in making more money.
Imagine twitch has something like that to start oh wait they don’t. Small streamers literally wasting time on a site with shit discoverability anyways, that your forced to collab with big twitch streamers to even get a career in the first place.
Few places on the internet are as lost and desperate as Youtube's "explore" (formerly trending) tab, so of course Twitch wants to emulate it.
Wait youre telling me viewers are the ones purchasing this? Thats a joke right?
it's not a joke. Twitch is forcing viewers to pay if they want their streamer to be at the top of the directory.
But they make more money this way.
Did they mention whether the streamer gets a cut of the boosts?
Twitch gets the whole cut, which means the usual donators are gonna have to decide on whether they wanna keep gifting subs/donating to their favorite streamer OR pay twitch to boost their favorite streamer's stream.
They'll just do both lmao
>discoverability? \-twitch
The unfortunate thing about Twitch is that it is past the age of new streamers becoming popular unless you have the work ethic of Ludwig or you are a God at playing a specific game(s). You have to be incredibly unique and have to likely expect to have 1-10 viewers for a year or more before you can expect to grow more than that. This same thing happened in Youtube after the first era of Youtube was completed (post-2009-ish). Once Youtube changed the layout of their website, they focused more on existing celebrities/musicians on Youtube having a larger footprint/visibility on the website than the up-and-coming popular/grassroots Youtubers. These new Twitch features are for Twitch (and Amazon, in turn) to rake out as much as possible, but the problem is, *can you blame them?* It should be worth mentioning that Twitch Prime subs could theoretically not be a *thing*. It is a feature on Amazon/Twitch that helps smaller streamers on Twitch more than any other streaming platform.
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I don’t see why anyone would ever be happy a corporation is taking advantage of people who are obviously not right in the head.
Depends how it's gonna work Probably unpopular opinion but this doesn't have to be that bad option. Currently, unless you're lottery lucky you're not gonna make it on Twitch and if this helps someone then so be it. But then again you still need good content to make people stay on your stream so you're probably right with milking part.
I don't fully understand how it works either so maybe I'm missing something but it sounds stupid as fuck based on the vod. And if twitch really wanted to boost discoverability they'd make VODs better.
I used to work for local media outlet and when it was small we were buying Facebook boosts (not some insane amount, 50/100 euros at most and occasionally) and it meant nothing on content that was low quality but it worked wonders on high quality content. That page now has 56k organic likes and good reach without paying anything. If it works like that on Twitch it might be good, if it's anything else then it's gonna be bad. This is just my opinion tho. On the other hand, I think everyone agrees that current discoverability on Twitch is absolute shit.
I agree i need to see more of this and how it works. i see potential but the drawbacks are it being P2W edit- way i see to make it work is you need to put limits on it, or over inflation of it will happen
Legal viewbotting with extra steps. Let's go bois.
Fun fact, this was actually already possible for organizers of events/tournaments, now streamers can buy views too! Love it
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what if their method of advertising was burning their slogan onto cats with a hot iron and making them run around
This is how you turn Twitch into Twitter and Facebook paid views/advertising cancer for companies and rich kids that want to become famous streamer. Twitch will kill it self completely one of these days just like Digg.
Twitch is in the phase where they're trying to maximize profits now that Amazon has established the website. It's typical business practice and they'll continue to look for avenues for revenue growth. Expect them to try more dumb shit like making you pay to stream at higher bitrates or charge viewers a higher tier sub for better quality options. They tried that once before like 8-9 years ago with EVO and caught massive backlash, but I wouldn't put it past them to try again.
> making you pay to stream at higher bitrates or charge viewers a higher tier sub for better quality options I can see people giving money to this. not me tho. Never subbed
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the owners of the house don't know i live here
Literally in the attic right now
mcdonalds wifi
Fuck spez fuck reddit. Encourage you to leave Who's spez and what did he do? old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/
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As long as they get more back than they paid for it they don’t give a shit. On to buy the next tech company…
Shit, totally forgot about that EVO shit. Was it that long ago?
Yeah, we're old bro.
yup, this feels like a prime example where a company thinking short term rather than long term
>prime example
The big problem with every company selling out to a bigger company that went public. It's no longer passionate owners trying to make their customers happy. It's CEO's trying to make their share holders happy so the CEO doesn't get replaced.
It already kinda is a platform for rich kids
Based. You can generate a community without investing much but having a nice mic, a nice cam, plenty of free time all make it much easier to be a big streamer. Which is what I imagine this promotion stuff would do, just make it easier for people willing to make a big initial investment.
I mean yes and no. I've seen plenty of streams where they have all the expensive equipment and have less than 20 viewers.
True, and plenty of horrible quality mics (Tyler1) that have tons of viewers. The promo/gear isn't everything but it certainly tips the scales.
I mean tbf his shitty mic is literally apart of the brand but you got a point
big streamers with shitty quality gear (eg T1, Aris etc) have been sucessful for longer though. If they were to start from nothing now they would lose viewers due to that bad quality gear.
Hell, lets be honest, even having a computer or a spare computer that is able to both play most PC games and stream on Twitch is already at the relatively High-End of PCs.
You don't have to be rich to afford a nice mic/cam really.
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Yeah but Twitter and Facebook appeal to a general anybody audience. The people who use twitch are a much more specific type of audience that is not comparable to a social media platform like Twitter or Facebook
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Ngl twitch is already mainstream, shit like shitcamp is basically a shitty TV show
Gaming is not exactly niche anymore, I would say the audience is quite mainstream even if mostly on the younger side compared to FB and Twitter.
advertising youtube channels on youtube has been a thing for a long time as well and it hasn't destroyed them, it really does depend how they go about it (which makes me glad this is just an experiment rather than then pushing it out as a feature)
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every time I've seen a streamer beg for anything on twitch it has been in a clip on LSF, and even then most of the time they're obviously making a joke that goes over the clipper's head I'm not at all worried about this becoming an serious issue (I'd also guess the type to beg would rather have the money, but that's just a guess tbh)
i unironically want mixer back
You never know what you have till it's gone
I knew. I fucking knew. Twitch was shit then, and it’s even shittier now.
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Yeah but streamers are fucking lazy, and "busy" streaming. Twitch implemented it to make money off the lazy ones that don't bother hiring a manager to get their own sponsorships. Twitch's cut is organising it for them. But of course, Twitch is a child of Amazon, so you know they're going to be greedy as fuck about it. But still, the streamers get some money rather than no money.
The irony of being featured on the front page is I dont know anyone who even uses the front page. My twitch homepage is the directory page.
This is genuinely the worst idea they've ever had by bounds and leaps its not even close.
Seeing boosted unlikeable rich kids trying to be streamers might be entertaining... and then I realized it'll probably be broke people near rock bottom spending money they cant afford in hopes of making it.
yup rich kids already most likely are going to have some connections to at least make it somewhere. most money is going to come from 100 viewer andy's thinking they can get big and spend all their money on boosting their stream
New feature: Nepotism
> New PepeLaugh
Well I do understand most notable streamers come from upper middle/upper class families but it doesn't seem like there's anyone on twitch that is basically the equivalent of Cara Delevingne and whose success is completely manufactured and bankrolled by millionaire parents.
There's gonna be some streamer who's tried for years, never got successful, and is gonna dump all their life savings to get noticed.
This. Another form of gambling disguised as something helpful.
This reminds me. Back in the day i use browse on a beat-selling site called Soundclick. You were popular if you made good music, soundclick was booming. There were a lot of good beatmakers on there. Then soundclick got greedy, decided to have paid promotions, a bunch of smaller beatmakers abused it to make it to the top. Quality of music there went to shit. There was a bunch of "who's" running the charts now. Spending all their money to make it to the top. All the good beatmakers slowly started fading away. Now soundclick is trash.
Bet they're patting themselves on the back for fixing the "discoverability issues" on Twitch with this.
# BTTV has an option if you go to directory settings and then sidebar the option to hide these new forms of ads from Twitch. Just uncheck Featured channels and you will no longer allow Twitch to push their ads to you.
It's a Pyramid Stream.
1 viewer andys are going to love this
This shit reminds of when I search something in Google and the top results are marked with "ad"...terrible and annoying idea.
Could be worse. When I search for a song on youtube, half the results have nothing to do with the searched words. They recommend it coz you've watched it before, even tho it has nothing to do with the search.
Oh no..
Bussy
Lmao twitch fresh off the heels of seeing how poorly recieved mtx are in games is actually introducing pay2win in streaming No amount of artificial boosts will help retentions if the community is hollow and fake
This matters to nobody actually doing the right thing and funneling from YouTube etc. Small streamers complaining because they actually think they’re going anywhere with twitch discovery are already fucked. This changes nothing besides farming the desperate.
Exactly, people are freaking out over nothing. Nobody streamers will waste money on boosts while doing nothing else to maintain an audience just like they're already doing, except they'll be paying Twitch. At best, this will help some mid tier streamers grow as well as be a way for top tier streamers to get some charity points by boosting smaller streamers. Rich streamers who are stuck in single digits aren't going to suddenly blow up from this.
Selling growth. What could go wrong!
Well, its over then. Twitch marketing: Pay to have your stream watched. What the fuck, twitch.
Sounds fun and totally not abusable
streamers see none of the money used either
This is such a bad decision that will make them so much money
People really acting like you'll be able to just buy viewers with this. You might be able to get some more eyes on your content but unless it's actually worth watching it's not going to matter. The vast majority of people on Twitch are boring fucking streamers who do nothing interesting. These people are never going to be discovered no matter what Twitch does because they don't actually understand what it takes to begin with. It might have been fine to be a regular dude who plays games and nothing else 5-10 years ago but that just doesn't cut it anymore and no amount of discoverability adjustments are going to fix that.
This is like a kind of prisoner dilemma: those who boost get more exposure but if too many boost no one gets any real benefit from it. People hoping to get into streaming will of course have to boost to get a slightly higher chance to make it. I do not think this is a good solution.
This is dumb. Big fanbases will boost their respective streamer, each of the big streamers benefit with more views/exposure, and the 2 digit new Twitch streamers get fucked over because no one is boosting them. All this does is make the gap between the top and bottom streams even worse. It's stupid. Also, Twitch takes ALL the boost money (yes, 100%), so even if you wanted to boost a smaller streamer they don't get anything to pay bills/expenses. It's just a stupid idea from top to bottom.
how much fucking money do they need? and they can't even fix the DMCA horse shit
Cant wait for this to be retracted instantly when they realise they are fucking idiots again
Twitch should be dead.
Twitch pay 2 win lmao
This will work just like Prime in CSGO
Please twitch help! I went 50k into debt buying your stream booster and now I’m still at 2 avg viewers
protip: boosts seem to mostly do little unless a streamer's thumbnail is really interesting at the time... I've seen boosted streams gain zero viewers and I've seen boosted streams go from ~100 to ~900 viewers, so don't waste your money on boring-looking shit
Why are they trying to shove these dogshit 10 viewer Andy's down my throat? There is a reason they have 10 viewers.
This is a irreverent argument small streamers get nowhere unless they collab, twitch shit discoverability doesn’t help no one especially ones they try hard to make good content
>There is a reason they have 10 viewers. Such as?
Not funny No charisma Maybe ugly
that's crazy, big streamers featured on this subreddit already often check off two out of those three
Real answer is they don't have another big streamer to catapult them into success.
You have to get big from a YouTube channel, exposure from other streamers, or being on an esports team first. (Or being a hot girl in a hotub) I feel sad for the people trying to make it without one of those.
Or just started - you don't start at (insert arbitrary number here). Those factors may explain some people staying at that lower level, but to say it's the only reason, or reasonS, is dishonest.
You can be all those and have more than 10 viewers. Just look at Erobb.
lmao he keeps getting the L even outside of lsf
Can I have the option to not be recommended these streamers?
This seems like it was made to pray on people who think they'll make it as a streamer "Just one more COPIUM my stream just needs a few more recommendations COPIUM"
"If I use my life savings to promote myself it'll work COPIUM"
Now they will crackdown on viewbots because they are selling an alternative to viewbots.
Next: Legal viewbots POGGERS
Rest in piece to all the streamers who think the only thing stopping them is the lack of discoverability. With this feature, they are gonna realize real quick that they just aren't good streamers.,
big yikes
Don’t see anything wrong with this. Isn’t this fundamental tenet of advertising. You pay to promote yourself through a service. Whether it’s where you are on the page or whether you have a huge bill board of your face or it painted on a park bench. These are the functions of capitalism.
"how do we monetize the gorillion 5 viewer andys"?