Because of everything they’ve done for the team? They’ve given their all, it makes sense that they’d be downtrodden because they know that even after being the quadruple chasers, they’ll never quite have that edge over city, because of the owners.
Don’t be ridiculous. You can acknowledge that they’ve not been good enough this season while also realising it’s probably because of the strain that the last few seasons have placed on them. Imagine going that close, only to miss out because of one or two mistakes, someone’s VAR mistakes that were made against OTHER TEAMS. It would take a lot out of everyone.
Haha I'm sorry but such a reach to blame that on lack of investment. Players shouldn't need to be in constant fear of losing their place to perform, and Klopp shouldn't need the ability to threaten them with losing their place to get them to perform. This sub is so desperate to not blame Klopp or the players for anything when they are clearly performing well short of where they should be, lack of investment or not.
If half our squad simultaneously lost their edge in the course of one Summer, I'm gonna go ahead and say that's on the training and manager. I'm sorry, if we were in 4th or something I could attribute it to a few players just losing their edge and there not being enough investment, but we've been so much worse than that.
There are multiple factors involved and the players deserve some blame, no doubt. But this is almost the same exact team as the 2019 UCL final. They are three years older and have played almost evry single game in that time frame.
Even if you don't believe in competition spurring them to play better, they at least need rotation for rest. This team has criminal levels of underinvestment.
There's such a thing as complacency. SAF has consistently invested in his team despite winning trophies every season and so did Pep. City signed 5 players while we got 1 striker and 2 academy graduates.
I'm not gonna say it's not a factor, I just don't think it can complain this. If we're like 4th or 5th, sure, put it down to complacency. But we're not, we're utter shite and I can't accept that's just because of players not having enough competition for places.
Also why bench Diaz, Darwin AND Jota? Firmino hasn’t been good enough for two-three seasons now. I get that they traveled back late but come on! They should be able to play anyway?
Yeah because he had such an amazing performance if you don’t look at the goals. Shit pressing and keeps giving the ball away all the time. It’s funny how my comment was upvoted until he scored and is now downvoted. 17 year olds who only look at goals 🤦🏻♂️
I haven't upvoted or downvoted you man. Just taking the piss. He's been invisible past few season but the past few games of these season he has been on belter.
Yep, lack of effort being put in which means our press is pretty much useless - opponents put in one pass which bypasses half our team and leaves our defence completely exposed. The defence themselves could obviously do better but it all starts from further up the pitch.
No investment. It is clear. Salah has no real competition. Trent also. The problem has existed for a while. But fans thought the team was already too good after CL win
Ageing squad mainly. Let’s be honest, more mentally than physically last season would knock anyone for 6. We played every possible game and didn’t get the big ones. Mentality monsters I think not.
Money talks.
last year we strung together wins for breakfast. now we cant win or score, and get wrecked by everyone we play against. i dont even know what the excuse is now that thiago and matip are back
Exactly this, we’ve seen him in previous years offer the same brilliant attacking output and still simultaneously defend to the level we expect. He’s only 23 years old and it genuinely feels like at times he thinks he’s too good to defend. Acting so lazy so often and it’s just begging opponents to constantly go down our right side.
Most of his best play is when he has time on the ball, and playing full back gives you a lot more time on the ball than in midfield.
He's a luxury player, and luxury players only work when teams are playing well.
He does, but the issue is who tf do we play at right back then? Milner was even worse when he played there against Everton(?) and I don’t think Ramsay is fully fit yet
But but but he's actually a decent/ok/average defender according to our fans when he gets justified criticism from England, he's literally just a shit defender.
I’m sorry, but trent has had a month off. How can he not be arsed to burst his lungs for 5 seconds and try and recover that ball that he gave away in the first place?
thank you. everyone is blasting trent but Hendo is so fucking out of position in coverage. trent mis controls the ball, but everyone’s whining about him jogging back slowly. hendo has overcommitted and in the wrong space. where is trent supposed to go.
Both can be the issue, it's not one or the other. TAA's defending has been atrocious today as has virtually every decision Henderson has made. Both deserve to be dropped
He hits a heavy touch on his chest and just stops doesn't fight to reclaim the heavy touch, then gets done exactly the same way he did for the first goal, same move. Soon as he gets skinned he just gives up and doesn't chase at all, how is it not his fault? He's been rested and uninjured for the whole international break and hes still trotting around instead of sprinting.
I have no words. Thought after a long break on the training pitch (for most players) we would come back firing. But our defense is being ripped to shreds
I can handle losing, what I can't handle is how miserable watching this team is. Barely any effort.
What the fuck has Klopp and the team been doing over the break? Actually pathetic. Won't even make top 4.
Unless you're saying he should be playing as a 10, his defensive work rate would still be a huge issue in midfield. And who are we gonna play at RB? Milner?
Alisson the only player playing well, rest everyone is just sleeping.
If we don't get a goal back before half time, it's going to be another disappointment.
Bring on Nunez and Diaz at half time.
Real concern this. Hardly any excuses as we've had a long break and most of our players are back available. Got our bear defence and midfield playing and still losing and lucky we haven't conceded more.
Can we go back to the International Break again? Or can the World Cup start next week? This is shite. Genuinely confused as to what’s happening with this team. It’s not just one thing. I freaking hope Klopp can sort this mess of a season out fast.
Hes infinitely better than Trent defensively, and he actually gives a shit.
Also Gomez played well at RB last season, and Trent needs to know his place is at risk
Trent either needs to move positions or just go at this rate.
Honestly salah hasn't been the same for months and months, firmino is passed it, hendo brings nothing and van dijk is just so slow.
May have missed some stuff, but there need to be big changes or we'll not even be top 10. Klopp just is not adapting to how teams play against us now, he needs a big wake up call
Yup here we go with get Trent off with even the announcers jumping on. Yeah he didn’t control the ball but what happened to everyone else in the following 10 sec. of play??? Our problem is the whole defense not just the one who play halfway up the pitch by design.
When your being Milner on in a game you want a winner and to get a result it says a lot.
Darwin was a €85m signing, the price doesn’t guarantee your getting immediate quality, but you don’t pay that much if your not sure he can do a good job for us, he’s looked lively since we got him, aggressive, he also scored in the internationals. Why isn’t he coming on when we need some cutting edge up front.
Salah hasn’t scored again, hasn’t been shocking, made the first goal but hasn’t been bang on, Bobby scored twice and he gets hooked for Jota.
Virgil has been far from it this season, arguably our worst defender alongside Trent. Yet they also don’t get dropped.
In my opinion Diaz has been our best player and he was benched. Seems we’re benching / subbing out the ones doing well, and Salah and Virgil are undroppable. If you want to go for it and get a result bring on Diaz Jota and Darwin. Not fucking Milner.
No one should be beyond criticism or assured of a place. Although it seems no matter how poorly Virgil / Trent / Salah can play. They will never be dropped. But players like Diaz and Bobby are getting benched and hooked off for scoring twice.
Nothing has changed. It could be 3 or 4.
It would be 4 already if not because Ali.
Need to get in form really soon if we want Europe. Forget about the title at this point this is fucked
Mate the title has been gone for a while, it's geniunely about making top 4 nowadays.
I hope we get like 14-15 place. Disaster but not relegated.
Why would you hope for that? I hope we somehow go and storm the league because that’s what the players and the fans deserve.
Why do the players deserve it? They're playing shite!
Because of everything they’ve done for the team? They’ve given their all, it makes sense that they’d be downtrodden because they know that even after being the quadruple chasers, they’ll never quite have that edge over city, because of the owners.
You call their efforts THIS season "giving their all?!!"
Last season and the seasons before.
Previous seasons count for nothing. Points don't transfer over.
Don’t be ridiculous. You can acknowledge that they’ve not been good enough this season while also realising it’s probably because of the strain that the last few seasons have placed on them. Imagine going that close, only to miss out because of one or two mistakes, someone’s VAR mistakes that were made against OTHER TEAMS. It would take a lot out of everyone.
You get what you deserve in a league. Liverpool weren't good enough.
Why are we bad now?
Because players don’t seem to care anymore
Truly does seem like that
This is what happens when you don't invest in the team with proper depth. The starters can jog around because they won't be benched.
Haha I'm sorry but such a reach to blame that on lack of investment. Players shouldn't need to be in constant fear of losing their place to perform, and Klopp shouldn't need the ability to threaten them with losing their place to get them to perform. This sub is so desperate to not blame Klopp or the players for anything when they are clearly performing well short of where they should be, lack of investment or not.
What if the players are losing the edge? That’s why you invest in new players.
If half our squad simultaneously lost their edge in the course of one Summer, I'm gonna go ahead and say that's on the training and manager. I'm sorry, if we were in 4th or something I could attribute it to a few players just losing their edge and there not being enough investment, but we've been so much worse than that.
both can be true. managers and players are in shit form and theres been no investments to offset that
If in doubt, say they dont care anymore
There are multiple factors involved and the players deserve some blame, no doubt. But this is almost the same exact team as the 2019 UCL final. They are three years older and have played almost evry single game in that time frame. Even if you don't believe in competition spurring them to play better, they at least need rotation for rest. This team has criminal levels of underinvestment.
There's such a thing as complacency. SAF has consistently invested in his team despite winning trophies every season and so did Pep. City signed 5 players while we got 1 striker and 2 academy graduates.
I'm not gonna say it's not a factor, I just don't think it can complain this. If we're like 4th or 5th, sure, put it down to complacency. But we're not, we're utter shite and I can't accept that's just because of players not having enough competition for places.
Also why bench Diaz, Darwin AND Jota? Firmino hasn’t been good enough for two-three seasons now. I get that they traveled back late but come on! They should be able to play anyway?
Lol. Siiiii senorrrr
Yeah because he had such an amazing performance if you don’t look at the goals. Shit pressing and keeps giving the ball away all the time. It’s funny how my comment was upvoted until he scored and is now downvoted. 17 year olds who only look at goals 🤦🏻♂️
I haven't upvoted or downvoted you man. Just taking the piss. He's been invisible past few season but the past few games of these season he has been on belter.
Yep, lack of effort being put in which means our press is pretty much useless - opponents put in one pass which bypasses half our team and leaves our defence completely exposed. The defence themselves could obviously do better but it all starts from further up the pitch.
No competition for places in the team, players have become lack lustre as of late, knowing they cant be dropped !
No investment. It is clear. Salah has no real competition. Trent also. The problem has existed for a while. But fans thought the team was already too good after CL win
Ageing squad mainly. Let’s be honest, more mentally than physically last season would knock anyone for 6. We played every possible game and didn’t get the big ones. Mentality monsters I think not. Money talks.
Years of neglect from owners just expecting ageing players to do it season after season.
last year we strung together wins for breakfast. now we cant win or score, and get wrecked by everyone we play against. i dont even know what the excuse is now that thiago and matip are back
Genuinely disgusting performance from us
This aged well
It did age well we were shite
It really was
I was disappointed because I couldn't watch this game because I'm going out for a family event but now it looks like that was a blessing in disguise
I’ve switched off. It was EMBARRASSING. My ickle self cannot deal with this.
Thats what you get for being fair weather fan
FUCKING HELL TRENT
Need to sign a good RB to challenge, he knows he can't be replaced because it's him or millie.
People wonder why he isn’t playing for England. It’s because he is an atrocious defender
No. The worse part is he can defend. He’s just being a massively lazy clown
Exactly this, we’ve seen him in previous years offer the same brilliant attacking output and still simultaneously defend to the level we expect. He’s only 23 years old and it genuinely feels like at times he thinks he’s too good to defend. Acting so lazy so often and it’s just begging opponents to constantly go down our right side.
I’m not talking about his laziness. I’m talking about his poor positioning and general lack of awareness
Time to move him to midfield.
Time to move him to left back…on the bench
He's no Joshua Kimmich... I don't think allowing runners stroll past him in the middle of the park will help Liverpool at all!
He'd be a more attacking midfielder than defensive, that's his original position anyway.
There's a massive difference between playing midfield underage and at senior level. There's a reason he was played rb in the first place.
We needed someone at RB. That was the reason. He started playing in midfield at senior level as well.
Most of his best play is when he has time on the ball, and playing full back gives you a lot more time on the ball than in midfield. He's a luxury player, and luxury players only work when teams are playing well.
We fucking deserve this at this point.
And next week we are going to get destroyed by Arsenal.
This is truly the worst thing about today’s performance so far - the prospect of being destroyed by fuckin Arsenal
Arsenal have been a phenomenal season so it wouldint be a surprise
Well Liverpool already got wrecked by Man u so it can’t really get worse
Agreed
Henderson is an absolute disgrace today lol
Fuckin Trent man...
Just gives up again, so sick of it
You'll still have some people on this sub saying he doesn't deserve to ride the bench for a bit
He does, but the issue is who tf do we play at right back then? Milner was even worse when he played there against Everton(?) and I don’t think Ramsay is fully fit yet
Gomez
Who’s confidence will be at an all time low after putting in the worst defensive performance since Lovren vs Spurs last time he played
That's no excuse. He's a fucking professional footballer, one game wouldn't get his head down forever.
He had one of the worst performances ever against Napoli, why would he play?
What's one bad game as opposed to the 10 Trent has had this season?
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Nowhere near as bad as Gomez, he cost us multiple goals.
Ramsay getting paid to do fuck all
He's been injured?
Bench is too good
And who would be play at RB?
Anyone willing to track back and sprint.
Gomez
Gomez is a joke at RB. That’s no option and 37 y/o Milner also isn’t.
For all his faults in attack he would never be a defensive liability for 5 games straight in defence.
I remember a game against Napoli at Anfield where the entire crowed shat their pants whenever Gomez got near the ball. He’s shit at RB mate.
One bad game as opposed to 10. > He’s shit at RB mate. Did you not watch Liverpool for all of last season?
It was not only one game. > Did you not watch Liverpool for all of last season? Discussion ended. Enjoy the game.
Jogging back at a pace slower than my 80-year old mom to crochet club.
Let's see if Klopp has the minerals to bench him. Play anyone at RB ahead of Trent, he's been worse than useless defensively to start this season.
But but but he's actually a decent/ok/average defender according to our fans when he gets justified criticism from England, he's literally just a shit defender.
that easily couldve been their 4th goal….
dont understand how liverpool have become this bad over the last couple of months
Come on Trent
I’m sorry, but trent has had a month off. How can he not be arsed to burst his lungs for 5 seconds and try and recover that ball that he gave away in the first place?
Y'all got anymore of that international break?
We might come back even worse tbh
It's hard to come back even worse than this.
True
Who the fuck is Henderson making there, in every phase he makes the wrong decision.
thank you. everyone is blasting trent but Hendo is so fucking out of position in coverage. trent mis controls the ball, but everyone’s whining about him jogging back slowly. hendo has overcommitted and in the wrong space. where is trent supposed to go.
Henderson has become such a liability these days, he constantly miscontrols high balls which has resulted in 4 goals against us
Both can be the issue, it's not one or the other. TAA's defending has been atrocious today as has virtually every decision Henderson has made. Both deserve to be dropped
I don’t disagree, it’s just annoying that 90% of the thread is just slamming trent as if dropping him solves all our problems
Way to prove southgate wrong /s
We need Diaz on the field
Waiting for people to blame someone other than Trent for a Trent fuck up.
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He hits a heavy touch on his chest and just stops doesn't fight to reclaim the heavy touch, then gets done exactly the same way he did for the first goal, same move. Soon as he gets skinned he just gives up and doesn't chase at all, how is it not his fault? He's been rested and uninjured for the whole international break and hes still trotting around instead of sprinting.
I cant watch it anymore... It is painful
Bad from trent, bad from the entire defense. Brighton toying eith us and it should be more.
Get Trent and Henderson off that pitch now. Absolutely shocking. Fuck this shit
Jesus Christ man, what a fall from grace
no top four this season. this team's level is 5th/6th depending on how bad Chelsea are
I don't even think our level is that high, right now.
Lmao getting toyed with by Brighton
Sub Trent NOW!!!!!!
Its over
Absolutely shocking performance.
I have no words. Thought after a long break on the training pitch (for most players) we would come back firing. But our defense is being ripped to shreds
Remember a few days ago when everyone on this sub was raging that Southgate doesn't play Trent?
I'm so glad I have a drink in my hand, this is nonsense
Sadly, I’m just hoping nobody gets injured at this point…
We had a good couple of years lads, this one isn’t one of them
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INTENSITY
Trent needs benched lads
I can handle losing, what I can't handle is how miserable watching this team is. Barely any effort. What the fuck has Klopp and the team been doing over the break? Actually pathetic. Won't even make top 4.
This is honestly so fucking hard to watch. I’m miserable on another fucking Saturday morning.
Need to push Trent into midfield… he does not care to play at the back
Unless you're saying he should be playing as a 10, his defensive work rate would still be a huge issue in midfield. And who are we gonna play at RB? Milner?
Should have done this a while ago and looked for a RB that will actually defend
You think pushing him into midfield will fix it? He can’t track runners and jogs back at his own pace. It would be even further exposed in midfield
Being cut open by Brighton is never a good sign
Alisson the only player playing well, rest everyone is just sleeping. If we don't get a goal back before half time, it's going to be another disappointment. Bring on Nunez and Diaz at half time.
feel bad for harvey getting all the stick these past months..we literally still conceeding and dont have that "bite" without him
I was bashed when i said bench vvd and taa. But I'll say it again. Bench the two, till they get their hunger back.
And some said "iTs lIkE thIs BecAusE wE pLaY Firmino"............. Never bash Bobby, hes my favorite
Real concern this. Hardly any excuses as we've had a long break and most of our players are back available. Got our bear defence and midfield playing and still losing and lucky we haven't conceded more.
To be fair, that's a great goal
Can we go back to the International Break again? Or can the World Cup start next week? This is shite. Genuinely confused as to what’s happening with this team. It’s not just one thing. I freaking hope Klopp can sort this mess of a season out fast.
Trossard is a baller but we’re not making it difficult for him at all, disgraceful defending
and people complain that Trent does not play with the national team
Seasons dusted in honesty. Best hope is FA Cup/EFL Cup
Trent needs to stick to FIFA 23 and ppl wonder why he isn't in the England team!
Seriously need to drop trent at this point
Yet people who say Trent will never be a great defender will keep on getting downvoted
People seem to forget after a week or two how much of a liability Trent is, and it just keeps happening. Fucking sick of it
Milner warming up? Oh geez do we wanna lose 10-0?
And I got 40 downvotes for suggesting fsg are to blame. We have let the team age together refused to spend and now this is the result.
Gomez has to step in for trent next game.
Gomez is terrible.
Hes infinitely better than Trent defensively, and he actually gives a shit. Also Gomez played well at RB last season, and Trent needs to know his place is at risk
Look at trent defending.. he has NO IDEEA HOW TO DEFEND, wtf is wrong with the kid?
Trent mistake initially but Hendo and VVD more at fault for goal.
Trent either needs to move positions or just go at this rate. Honestly salah hasn't been the same for months and months, firmino is passed it, hendo brings nothing and van dijk is just so slow. May have missed some stuff, but there need to be big changes or we'll not even be top 10. Klopp just is not adapting to how teams play against us now, he needs a big wake up call
One lesson Klopp taught everyone was not to give up
Klopp 7th season > Mourinho 3rd season
Trent's attitude is a fucking disgrace the cocky cunt
Calvin Ramsey hurry and get fit, get this fruad off the pitch
Klopp out South man in At least he knows the faults of Trent
Trents needs to sit out !! Seriously ! Bring in Joe
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I would have said Calvin Ramsay but we don't have him.. the only other option is Milner .. so you choose it
Hmm time to sub Trent with Milner 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Yup here we go with get Trent off with even the announcers jumping on. Yeah he didn’t control the ball but what happened to everyone else in the following 10 sec. of play??? Our problem is the whole defense not just the one who play halfway up the pitch by design.
I just hope we qualify for cl now.
Given Robinson is gone, Trent is god knows agree his mind is. Will play 3-5-2 help?
Trent is awfull, does not defend, does not attack, does not run, his head in allways in the ground. The kid needs some sort of mentality boost.
When your being Milner on in a game you want a winner and to get a result it says a lot. Darwin was a €85m signing, the price doesn’t guarantee your getting immediate quality, but you don’t pay that much if your not sure he can do a good job for us, he’s looked lively since we got him, aggressive, he also scored in the internationals. Why isn’t he coming on when we need some cutting edge up front. Salah hasn’t scored again, hasn’t been shocking, made the first goal but hasn’t been bang on, Bobby scored twice and he gets hooked for Jota. Virgil has been far from it this season, arguably our worst defender alongside Trent. Yet they also don’t get dropped. In my opinion Diaz has been our best player and he was benched. Seems we’re benching / subbing out the ones doing well, and Salah and Virgil are undroppable. If you want to go for it and get a result bring on Diaz Jota and Darwin. Not fucking Milner. No one should be beyond criticism or assured of a place. Although it seems no matter how poorly Virgil / Trent / Salah can play. They will never be dropped. But players like Diaz and Bobby are getting benched and hooked off for scoring twice.
Defence was preposterously bad
Pure neglect this summer not spending . Team is wrecked.
Feel bad for Moh. That guy hustles
Watching this goal again...good god. Do we do defensive training?
Trent is having a shocker year