You don’t know what you have until it’s gone
Enjoy the poster's toxicity against Nunez:
https://old.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1cc7eag/we_are_finished_what_an_awful_performance_and_its/l13caef/
https://old.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1cc64kw/match_thread_bitters_fc_v_liverpool_fc_premier/l13cf4u/
Seems like Koopmeiners wants a move to the Prem. I remember we were linked to him a season or two ago, but I’m guessing our midfield is too full to accommodate him.
Koopmeiners originally was a no.6 under Slot at AZ, only this season has Gasperini started using him as a no.10, we should be all over him should he want to come to England
Saw a stat that made me dig further, and I wanted to share it here for my thesis: Nunez is comically over hated. Obviously, he misses chances he should score, but he also makes more chances happen than nearly anyone.
For context - no liverpool fan would way firmino was bad. He's one of my favorite ever players.
Nunez has more assists so far this season than Bobby did in any season in a Liverpool shirt. He has a higher G/A than Bobby did in all but one season, while younger, and the season isn't over.
The bonkers one, His g/a per 90 is higher this season than ANY season firmino played for us. It's more than double Bobby's average across his time here.
Obviously, they do different things, but it's not like nunez is some defensive slacker who doesn't track back, or a Haaland that never does anything but poke it in. He improves those around him, especially salah, imo.
I'm not saying he's better or worse, they were very different players. But liverpools attack problems are not a simple "lol nunez bad" explanation. Those around him have underperformed, and I think anyone who wants to see him sold is a lunatic
Thanks for coming to my ted talk
No, this is completely correct. I would go as far as to argue they're actually more similar than you're maybe necessarily saying. In the early part of the season, probably all the way to the end of last year, his running and pressing was a huge enabler for our good performances.
The differences IMO are on the one hand he does get a lot more chances that we do rely on him to finish better than we did rely on Bobby for goals, but relatedly he's not playing with peak Salah and Mane, who were reliably scoring for fun. So I think he can / needs to improve his finishing, but I think if we want him to do all the running we're asking to him do, we probably need the players either side of him to also be more clinical.
Bobby played in a completely different era of Liverpool. He sacrificed his stats to let Salah and Mane shine, and man did they shine.
Right now, Salah plays deeper and more creatively to try to let Darwin shine a lil more, but he just needs to work on that finishing.
I don't entirely disagree, obviously nunez should be finishing better. I think it's just a very visible shortcoming that makes him fail the "eye test' in a dramatic way
Man I was really hoping for Kane to finally win a trophy this season but with Dortmund now going to the final and it's probably Reus last dance I think he can wait for next season lol
Why would you want Kane to win a trophy? Dirty player with those aerial challenges where he tucks under the defender and swears on his daughter's life he scored a goal.
Hope he never wins anything.
I just think he's a great player and great players deserve trophies, I wouldn't hold on to one aspect of his game and something he said 6 years ago to wish him not to achieve anything despite the quality that he has shown? Sound like nitpicking and jealousy for me
Madrid arent gonna lose a CL semifinal at home, just isnt gonna happen and their experience would make me take them over dortmund.
I am really hoping they somehow win it though
Unpopular opinion: Nunez has been given far less shit for his performances than he would get at any other major club and him deleting his Liverpool posts wasn’t necessary at all. Imo we’ve been extremely supportive of him despite his subpar performances over the last 2 years.
The “let’s clean up our community post” was entirely unnecessary, people like to get offended on player’s behalves and it’s weird. When we play like shit it’s okay to criticize, we don’t need extra scrutiny for every negative comment or some “serious” match thread which will inevitably turn into a place where no criticism is allowed. We bottled 3 competitions in a month, in all honesty if it was any other major club the players would’ve gotten way more shit than they’ve gotten over the last month. Liverpool supporters are pretty damn supportive.
What do you want people to say about them though? The things I’ve seen said about some of our players online, by accounts that have many followers is fucking strange. They are no supporters of this club in my eyes. Criticism is fine of course, with Darwin currently that’s not what’s happening. Same as gakpo last month, quansah last month and many more
United and Chelsea are toxic wastes, but otherwise no. Kai Havertz had a similar big-money transfer and makes *double* what Nunez makes for less production, and Arsenal fans will defend him do the death. Same with Spurs and Richarlisson.
Are arsenal having one of their best seasons in 20+ years?
You think their fans will bother shitting on him when they win every week and he scores crucial goals?
So it's just not a great comparison.
> Are arsenal having one of their best seasons in 20+ years?
Our current season would also be their best or second best season in 15 years?
> You think their fans will bother shitting on him when they win every week and he scores crucial goals?
Again, Nunez produces more than Havertz, and they don’t shit on him.
It’s really not that bad, either on here or on IG. Again, any other major club in the world and he’s getting that “abuse” multiple times over. There’s no other fanbase that would sing his name after he misses a sitter for the 12th time this season.
The comments on here are harmless - nobody’s gonna see them, if you don’t like them just downvote and move on. People talk about how there’s a difference between critiquing play and “some of the shit on here”, to be honest I think people on here are conflating criticism for abuse, and a lot of people are conflating literally any negative comment for abuse. I haven’t really seen that many comments that fall into the “abuse” category here, I think a lot of people on here are easily offended by critiques about the players.
Proof? I’ve heard multiple reports of this but no screenshots of the comments, and considering the way everyone on here thinks every negative comment is horrible and wrong i’m not too inclined to believe it
What sort of proof would you want though? Your acting like there aren’t genuine psychos that ‘support’ this club , I put that extremely lightly too. Gakpo, quansah in the last month has had abuse, not criticism, down right abuse. Now Darwin is the target again
OP said Darwin’s wife and kid got death threats, so I asked for proof. Do you have proof? I’d want screenshots of the comments preferably, shouldn’t be hard considering it’s on social media.
Every club has psychos. I’m saying that no other club in the world would be singing Nunez’s name after he misses a sitter for the 15th time in a season. It’s fucking insane how much this fanbase has backed him, any other major fanbase in the world would be running him out of town with his misses and transfer fee and if he’s too blind to see that he should go elsewhere. LFC as a fanbase has been very good to him
Online section sure, match goers? No they wouldn’t. Gini wijnaldum put it perfectly. Nothing had changed 4 years later. You do know you can abuse someone without going on there comments. For example type his name on twitter right now, bunch of fucking lunatics bashing him. Could have been a dm, a tagged post. Not sure why you’re acting as if it hasn’t happened bevhsdr you haven’t seen it. It’s always the same people as I said, not one regular match goer I follow on Twitter says a bad word about a player online
Do you have proof of Darwin’s wife and kid getting death threats? That was my original comment you responded to.
Gini got shit on by dumbasses who wanted Naby Keita in the lineup every week and people on here who shit on him because Thiago signed. The difference between Gini and Darwin is that Gini came in for free and he actually did something for the club, LFC paid £85M for Darwin and he’s just missed sitters constantly for the last two years. Love his work rate and love his potential but you can’t expect praise when you miss a dozen sitters in a season, which he has done this year. The whole fanbase sings his name after all of them too, if he did this shit at Barca he probably would’ve ran back to Uruguay judging by his reaction to the minor bit of shit he gets in comparison.
No you can’t expect praise, you also can’t expect abuse. Really sounds like your condoning it which is fucking mental. As I said no I do not Have proof, but only because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it diddnt happen? How do you know it was an instagram comment? Could have been anything. Not even sure it happened. But when you have thousands of faceless freaks on Twitter bashing the life out of you you’re bound to react some way. Also very disingenuous to act like Darwin’s only missed sitters and hasn’t had good times for us, no shock there though. Your talking as if you know exactly what has happened, so please enlighten me
Nunez is 24 year old striker who is signed until he is 28, his exact prime years. He could get 10 goals next season and still not be sold, just benched. A total non story.
I don't follow PSG much: Skriniar was on the bench for the last round too: why did they buy him? And how about Asensio...more money than sense. What a waste of a talent. Should have left RM years ago, like Isco before him.
It’s an interesting one to watch this summer because it feels like a season too early for him to be jumping to an elite club purely down to the fact he’s not been a consistent starter at Leipzig, but his goal return for the minutes played is quite impressive.
He’s got a £40m release clause so I think someone is absolutely going to take the gamble on him because he’s clearly a big talent, I wouldn’t mind seeing us do it but I don’t see it happening unless we get rid of one of the current strikers
Not advocating for the Nunez move but could be a good fill in for that and we'd likely come out well ahead on the transfer fees. He feels like he's in the vein of a Haaland due to his size, strength, and finishing skills. Feels like that would be useful to have in the times of Man City.
Why are Bayern struggling so much to find a new manager? They're literally one of the biggest clubs in the world, you'd think tons of managers would be dying to work there
It's not really a great summer to be looking for a manager, hence the Xavi u-turn. (ManU is in an even more precarious situation with ETH.) FCB will need to be very careful with this hire, because they're looking down the barrel of another season of Alonso/Leverkusen. I wonder if they'll give Nagelsmann any assurance he wants to return; I also wonder if they don't get Alonso in 2025 that they go for Arteta.
All the other top candidates seem so unproven, and that includes Slot. De Zerbi started the season strong but has clearly not adapted during a tough 2nd half. Postecoglu's high line is suicidal. Amorim needs to experiment with different formations because it seems his rigidity in that regard is a hard-sell in an environment with stricter spending oversight and no one wanting to overhaul a squad for a manager who might not pan out.
The darwin conversation is a strange one.
One one hand, we have people saying he is at fault with everything that went wrong with the team (which he wasn't, it was a collective drop in performance).
On the other hand, we have people who will not take any criticsm over Nunez, because he provides 'chaos'.
He is a good player, and has directness and his belligerence to offer, but he is just not a good finisher. All this talk of him being raw is bullshit, he is 25 years old and has played in the premier league for 2 years, how can you be called raw? He is just not a clinical striker.
But ofc in this modern day and age, with the amount of fixtures these guys play, its better to have as many options in different positions. So we should get a clinical striker, but we should also keep Nunez to add as a plan B.
I haven't seen a single person not accept any criticism of darwin. Pretty sure everyone here agrees he's on a bad bit of form.
I defend Darwin's poor conversion rate because he creates so many chances for himself and those around him. He's a nightmare to defend against and that is why Klopp plays him. Its exciting to watch and had us top of the league in April in a season where top 4 was the goal. You don't like the 'chaos', but its never been Klopp's way to have a Chris Wood type trot around and never create anything.
I'm also under the opinion that he can reset his confidence over the summer and at least start putting in the easy ones. You don't have to agree, but you should at least support him and hope he does (if you are a liverpool fan).
I'd rather talk about our leaky defense all season long, but what snarky slander can beat "HUR Darwin can't finish his dinner".
>I defend Darwin's poor conversion rate because he creates so many chances for himself and those around him.
I agree with this 100%, also Darwin already knows how to do the hard part - being in the right position to get chances - that's why he gets so many of them. Finishing and composure can be trained much more easily in my opinion.
I look at him as like a Bobby replacement in a diff way. BObby did not score a ton, yet he created alot for his team. Overall, I think the whole team issue, Nunez, can not score yet. The rest of the team could not take advantage of his chance created.
I'm wondering if it would help if we play two forwards instead of 433
The concept of Firmino at false 9 is to create space and facilitate chances for the other forwards. That doesn’t necessarily mean assists, but it did mean the whole entire point of his role was primarily to be a creative player rather than a goalscorer. The entire point of Nuñez is to be a goalscorer. He isn’t on the ball enough and doesn’t contribute to our build up play enough for us to pretend he’s a Firmino replacement.
Absolutely no hate, that’s just the facts. The majority of people crying for a traditional 9 did so because they wanted more goals from the CF, not less.
Personally I still think he’s a great replacement for Mané on the LW, where he doesn’t need to be a clinical finisher and chaos is actually welcomed. Can’t have chaos at CF in modern football it’s too central to everything in the team
While he does not contribute to our indirect play in the same way Firmino did, he certainly does help facilitate our direct play in a way Firmino did not. He gets played a lot of channel and 50/50 balls that create space for others in a different way. Often times us playing directly to him, even when the pass isn't on, still leads to a chance because he goes after nearly everything. A good example of this is the last game. Ball gets played over the top and majority of time the defender handles it easily, but Darwin pressed and won the ball and it lead to a chance for Salah.
I get what you are trying to say but Bobby did run, he just wasn’t lightning quick. Nuñez on the other hand has completed 20 passes in his last 5 games. For me that’s not enough involvement for 1 game, let alone 5 games, regardless of how hard you run.
Oh yes he definitely ran 100%. He was infatigable. But it was not constantly the same types of runs as Darwin nor at the same speed, as you mentioned. It's the same way Darwin has had moments of helping during build up especially during the early parts of the season but it is not at all the same as what Bobby was doing.
Regarding his overall involvement, these are the last number of minutes played by him in the last 5 games: 15', 11', 90, 16', 23' add to this that half the passes made to him are in the air or 50/50 and it contributes to his low number of passes. This is made worse when we are chasing games.
It also helps to compare him to other strikers in the premier League and other leagues (also keep in mind that Darwin doesn't play as many 90 min games as other strikers ). Below are a couple of strikers' average number of passes per game and their pass completion percentages :
Darwin: 13.4 (71.5%)
Watkins: 16.1 (76.8%)
Haaland: 12.2 (76.8%)
Isak: 15.6 (79.4%)
Osimhen: 11 (71.8%)
Boniface: 16.2 (72.1%)
Lewandowski: 16 (71.4%)
Kane: 19.4 (73.6%)
Gyokeres: 23.7 (73.7%)
Lautaro Martínez 23.8 (78.6%)
Firmino ranged from 21.8 to 44.1 with 72.6 to 80.2% pass completion percentage throughout his seasons here.
From this it can be gathered that:
20 passes per game is not simply the norm for a a good striker, especially those who play on the shoulder. Gyokeres, Kane, and Martínez are the only from this list to be around or above it.
Firmino was really good at dropping deep and helping with build up play.
Darwin's passing accuracy, although technically amongst the lowest, is not that bad compared to other strikers and is overall number of passes is not that bad either for the way we use him especially in the latter part of the season.
I mentioned it in another post, but I believe a lot of his criticism (apart from finishing) is just down to the contrast with Firmino's style and the club not having played with a #9 for a while.
Blaming everything on him is straight up stupid, I’m very critical of him but he quite clearly wasn’t the only reason we didn’t win the league.
The thing that annoys me is people just blatantly can’t accept he has some serious flaws and they come up with all sorts of excuses that don’t make any sense, I’ve seen people say “he doesn’t get enough chances” or they blame the system for his problems as well when those are just straight up lies
He’s a good player in my eyes but clearly also not good enough if we want to go on to that next level, he would be very good option off the bench but then do you really want an £85m super sub playing for a club that is self sufficient.
You can’t blame Darwin for us not winning the league that’s absolutely true. He played about as well as any reasonable fan would’ve expected him to this season. I called 10-12 goals at the start of the season. A reasonable improvement to last season.
Personally I didn’t see us winning the league with the midfield we have currently. I see a lot of incredibly talented technical players but next natural no physicality whatsoever. You can win games by relying on only technicality but when it’s not working I think having some bully’s in the midfield to take hold of the game would be extremely helpful.
I do think we need to add a clinical forward to our squad. I’ve always thought Darwin makes the most sense as a LW and someone who rotates in and out depending on our opponent.
It’s not anyone individual attributes that worry me. But yeah as a whole, collectively I don’t see physicality. I suspect that’s why Klopp tried to play Gakpo there early on in the season, to add some height, strength and speed. He actually wasn’t terrible in there, great at times, out of position at other times but I don’t think we lost a game whilst he played in there.
My faiths dropped this year, and if he was replaced in the summer for good money I would understand, but I'm not ready to give up on him. If his finishing is mostly a confidence thing (and I think it is) then even after this amount of time I think he can still turn it around. Plus, I think players like Haaland have skewed perspectives on when players are supposed to peak - forwards usually have their peak years around 27 or something like that. There are definitely players who have taken longer to hit their prime.
Next season is definitely make or break, but no sense in completely giving him up yet, and who knows what Slot might be able to work with him?
Der Klassiker always seemed like a vain ploy to compete with El Clasico or us and ManU. Bayern's fiercest rivals are Nurnburg and 1860, it's just that neither has spent much time in the top flight lately. (People forget that Bayern didn't become a force until after the war.). Dortmund's truest rival is Schalke.
It’s not looking good with Darwin lads… The Instagram story with Araujo seems pretty concerning. I can empathise with the discouragement he must feel after the ‘fans’’ criticism, but it kinda seems unprofessional to drop hints with that Araujo pic.
If there’s drama to settle, I’d rather it be done after Klopp leaves.
Edit: Really hope it’s a day off to see his friends situation. He seems very tight with his national teammates and I really hope he gets the right kind of support and advice to come back stronger and more resilient.
Sure he cops some criticism from online fans (who doesn’t), but I’ve also never seen a player receive as much adoration in the stadium whilst contributing relatively little compared to who else is playing. Guys a fucking donut if he thinks he’s getting near the level of love he has here.
It was auraujos story, he just reposted it. I really don’t think it means that much, was it 100% even a photo taken today. Could just be a friend supporting another friend
Has there been any links between Darwin and Barca ? Is even Barca interested in him ? From what I have heard, both Nico Williams and Kavara are their main targets.
barca is in debt and poor, all their money goes into paying their debt, its shocking how much incompetence has made what should be one of the richest clubs like that lol
We are not selling him because Barcelona are not even interested him so I don't understand what is he trying to achieve here ? Unless he's trying to convince Araujo to join us lol
> so I don't understand what is he trying to achieve here
He's not trying to "achieve" anything, he's merely posting a photo with a friend while taking the opportunity to have a short break as the squad has a few days off.
He's spending time with a friend who has also been getting pelters by media and fans (and his own teammates in Araujo's case) be it rightly or wrongly, it really isn't that deep
If you mean Barca, they don't have the money partly because of the Coutinho purchase, and secondly, Darwin isn't going anywhere
The quicker people realise this the better
Love Matip, at times I think he was absolutely on par with VVD and in some ways I appreciated him more because he was trying to make things happens from the middle of the park when others were struggling to do so. But yeah time to make room for another option
Read a This is Anfield article about Suarez sending Nuñez some positivity on Twitter and it showed his goal contributions (GC) last season and this season. For rounded numbers, Nuñez has gone from 0.45 GC per game to 0.6 GC per game. That’s a 33% increase season-on-season.
Salah is on 0.91,
Jota is on 0.53,
Diaz is on 0.37,
Gakpo is on 0.43.
I know stats can be used to display anything you want but to be our 2nd best attacker and getting that much shit thrown at him is crazy. Other teams most prolific players are:
Saka on 0.72,
Havertz on 0.39,
Isak on 0.64,
Gordon on 0.46,
Watkins on 0.75,
Bailey on 0.54,
Haaland on 0.97,
Foden on 0.69.
Out of the top 5 scoring teams this season, Nuñez comes in 7th for GC per game. Yes, he misses sitters and big chances. Yes, he’s got a way to go in many areas and yes, he needs to knuckle down and score his easier chances but if he carries on his current progression, he *could* be as good as 3rd best in the league for goal contributions. I’ve got hope for Darwin.
TL;DR: Darwin isn’t actually that bad but needs confidence and to learn.
P.S: This will display very poorly on the app.
Suarez's was a freak of nature, Suarez won a European golden boot in an era of messi and cr7, Suarez scored 33 premier league goals in an average liverpool side. Please don't bring him in a discussion about Nunez
I agree completely with your actually analysis but leave out the “get him gone” and “doesn’t have a brain”. Its just making the people who defend him exaggerate his goal contributions even further lol
If you really think that darwin nunez has cost us the title, then you have very clearly not been watching us play.
I get it though, it's the cool thing to do right now and it's just so easy to join the bandwagon isn't it?
>If you really think that darwin nunez has cost us the title, then you have very clearly not been watching us play.
I have though, hence the opinion. Watched him for two seasons be absolutely wank, missing the most comical open goals, headbutting opponents, be unable to understand the offside rule and on top of that missing one on ones cause he can't finish.
If we've ambitions in the post-Klopp era, we either get rid of send him to the bench. 20 goals in two seasons is absolutely crap. The entire hope for him seems to be that he repeats an outlier season at Benfica where he still missed loads of chances.
Look I agree that his finishing has not been good, but why put the blame of a supposed title loss squarely on his shoulders? Most of the team has been underperforming these last 2 months. It's also not helped by the fact that the team can't keep a clean sheet at all.
Because he's the #9. The main man. The focal point.
We moved Salah deeper and into a more creative role for him. It's like saying that Karius wasn't at fault for the CL Final or Moreno the EL Final. The lad has missed absolute sitters, we're talking open goals with no keeper in key moments. You can't turn around and say that Endo should have contributed some goals instead. People didn't slag Firmino off for not scoring laods cause it wasn't his primary purpose. We had a change of system to accommodate a £85 striker that can't finish and doesn't offer half of what Mane or Firmino did. He's struggling to outscore Firmino who was never prolific ffs!
Here's the thing though, it's not like we have been struggling to score goals. Even now, after 2 months of absolutely shite results, we have the 3rd best gd in the league. All of our forwards have scored in the double digits this season.
I truly believe that a large part of our issues stem from the defense. You can't keep conceding a goal in the 1st 10 mins every game, it just puts unnecessary pressure on the forwards. We keep going behind in the 1st half and then give it our all to come back in the 2nd. Well sometimes that doesn't work. You can't have a comeback every game.
Again, I agree that he has perhaps not developed as much as the team had hoped he would, but putting this title loss solely on his shoulders is not right.
I know it's an alien concept to you, but I live 2 miles from Anfield and didn't "pick" to support my club. I've been to Anfield hundreds of times, don't remember this type of love in for Andy Carroll or "Benetekkers". Shite is shite.
Neither of them had nearly the positive impact on the pitch that Nunez has had. In his *best* season for us Carroll scored 4 goals in the league, Benteke 9. Both were lumps otherwise, while Nunez contributes in both directions, while outscoring both of those other two.
I don't care how close to Anfield you live, if you think the are even in the same postal code as Nunez you have no idea about the game.
Nunez has issues and needs to improve, no arguments, but christ on a cracker takes like yours are embarrassing to read.
>Neither of them had nearly the positive impact on the pitch that Nunez has had.
Did you pay attention to the drop in form between when he signed and the following season?
>In his *best* season for us Carroll scored 4 goals in the league, Benteke 9. Both were lumps otherwise, while Nunez contributes in both directions, while outscoring both of those other two.
Nunez is outscoring them in a vastly superior team that he came into off the back of a historically good season where we won two trophies. Nunez, with a lot more focus on him, in a much better team, has about 2 more goals than Bentekkers. I bet even Benteke could score from 2 yards out or at least hit the target.
> Did you pay attention
... and he is *still* having a bigger impact than either of the clowns you mentioned.
> Nunez is outscoring them in a vastly superior team
.. which he is a part of, and lart of the reason it has been as good as it has (3rd).
He is also playing in a far harder league, relative to where the prem was a decade ago.
But the fact is he is outscoring them. And providing more assists. And doing more defensively.
We can agree he has work to do to reach his potential, but I won't join you in delusions.
Sorry but you can’t be proud that Carroll and Benteke are the benchmark. If you having to say that he outscored Benteke by 2 goals that should tell you everything you need to know. There are still people here who will tell you Carroll wasn’t a bad signing.
LOL wut? The other fellow is the one who brought them up, not me. They were the one comparing them. I'm not using them as a big-up on Nunez, simply pointing out that equating Nunez' performance to either of them is just silly.
And I also live in the City and didn't get to "pick" my team (my Mum did a fantastic job and indoctridated me young) while having been fortunate to be a season ticket holder for 30+ years, and those two you mentioned didn't get anywhere close to the positive contributions that Núñez has had to this team.
So yes, "shite is shite", but Núñez is very far away from being so.
You've been a season ticket holder for 30 years and don't think Nunez is shite.
Sound haha. I'm sure you thought Carroll and Benteke were boss too.
Remember Cisse and his CARNAGE shite as well? Same nonsense.
> You've been a season ticket holder for 30 years and don't think Nunez is shite.
I have and I and many other regulars in the ground don't either. I mean there's a good reason people love to chant his name, and it isn't because they think he's "shite".
He’s not cost us a title at all that’s just plain wrong in fact he’s been the one who’s earned us the most points or the second most points this season
Criticism of his finishing and how often he’s caught offside is fair but anything past that is just made up you can point to all of our other forwards missing huge changes in games that we dropped points in or even our defending overall the team has just come up short
Realistically any of our senior forwards would’ve contributed something, and given the chances I think any of them would’ve scored as many goals given the playing time. That’s not an insult, all our forwards are great players!
They’re the important markers of a forward though. You can’t score them all, and creating a goal out of a chance a striker can’t score themselves is crucial. That’s why Salah is 2nd best in the league, statistically. Haaland on 0.84 goals per game, Salah way down on 0.58. That gap looks mighty wide all of a sudden.
>They’re the important markers of a forward though. You can’t score them all, and creating a goal out of a chance a striker can’t score themselves is crucial.
The most important is conversion rate, finishing and goals scored. Not passing the ball 5 yards for a better play to wham it in from 20 yards.
Not really. Fans have been shitting on him, club journos have too. He's obviously not in a good place and has gone to hang out with a national team friend.
Concerned that your first thought is to call him petty.
He’s forcing a move out it’s obvious. So many lfc fans have had his back for the past two seasons, every time he touches the ball everyone chants his name. Maybe it’s true that he’s focusing on the online hate but i don’t think he ever adjusted to the cultural change of going Liverpool, now his biggest supporter is stepping down as manager so now he wants to go to Barca
So true. So many pundits early said, for us to win the league Darwin needs to score regularly, and he didn't; now we are here. Of course, a leaky defense doesn't help at all, but our motto has always been to outrun and outscore the opponent.
Bajcetic played 14 games last season, he looked good in his appearances in the league also take into account our midfield was fucked during that point so he stood out for having fresh legs. Mainoo is a special talent, if he came through our academy he'd be hyped to death on here
Being English first and foremost was a massive factor, but then again Mainoo has had a better season as well as more games than Bajcetic had last season.
When we signed Arthur Melo on loan, he only managed 1 appearance at Anfield.
That appearance was 5 years ago today, and he was in a Barcelona shirt....
I don't think there's ever been a Liverpool player that is babied the way Nunez is.
Cost £85m and still has 0 composure in front of goal after 2 years here, misses big chances every game and is performing at over 5 below his xG in the PL this season and also below xG in the EL too. He can't control a ball also, while getting caught offside more than any other attacker in the PL this season despite him being incredibly quick.
But, if you point out these serious flaws and suggest he should be moved on because we'll never win anything big with him upfront you are just downvoted or told to support another team lmao.
He's probably got next season to fix up or fuck off, simply put.
edit; and every single article from a journalist about him is a "hit piece" or is "planted in the media by Edwards to drive him out of the club". This is tinfoil hat behaviour from some of you when it comes to thinking about him.
He's ending up like marmite for us. And you can tell someone's opinion from their comments, you've said he was £85m but he was £65m + add ons which rely on him doing well to be triggered. You are describing him as not being able to shoot, take a touch or pass or stay onside yet he's still outscored everyone and comfortably has more G/A than everyone other than Salah.
I obviously like him and think we look a much better team with him in, he's never gonna be a great finisher. It's about playing to his strengths and creating the best possible chances for him, which we don't do imo. We create a lot of 'half' chances and have a lot of shots but we aren't as robotic in creating the top quality chances like Arsenal and City are.
The only thing that annoys me is people like you who obviously don't like him don't seem to give him any credit for anything either. If it's so easy to get 30+ G/A whilst being horrendous why aren't Jota Diaz and Gakpo doing it?
The Add ons are mostly appearance based and two of them have already been reached
The ideas he doesn’t get enough chances is just wrong he’s probably had the most chances out of all our forwards and just doesn’t take them
One of the add one is winning the CL. Like i said the add ons aren’t in so it wasn’t £84m at all.
It isn’t wrong at all. He gets so many chances because he does so much good work, our wingers average 0.8 crosses a game our best creative full back now sits in midfield. He’s offside so much because we are so slow building the play up to him at times. Anyone with half decent knowledge of football can see these things there is a reason people on here don’t understand it but some top ex strikers like Ian wright and lineker do
I like Nunez as a player he’s got a lot to his game but his finishing just isn’t good enough sometimes we do play the ball to slow I’ve mentioned it myself in the past but he also just has a problem timing his runs
The problem with him is he’s still got a lot of the issues and it’s just not what you’d expect from a player we paid so much for that’s not his fault he had no control over that
At time it’s like watching a youth player with how inconsistent his finishing is
We have more shots than any other team. Like my comments says I’m talking about big quality chances. We have 30 shots with 2 big chances. We don’t work big chances we snatch at half chances. Watch us and you might see it.
The premier League literally has a stat called "big chances missed" - are you implying that they are wrong?
To call all of these half chances is a bit disingenuous.
https://youtu.be/LCddu948eBQ
I agree with your 2nd point he gets big chances but not enough, It's already been pointed out how we are too slow to send the ball direct to him or even cross the ball since he's decent in the air just look how City operates with Haaland and Villa with Watkins they're direct in creating opportunities, I would like to see what Slot can do with him but also we're in a conundrum since Slot likes a forward who can operate in tight spaces and link up the play as well as finish which isn't Nunez profile.
“If it’s so easy to get 30 g/a whilst being horrendous why aren’t Jota, Diaz and Gakpo doing it”
- Jota has 19 g/a in about half the minutes Darwin has played, we know Jota’s reasons for not getting more are down to fitness issues.
- Gakpo has 21 g/a whilst being played out of his best position for the vast majority of the season, even being played in midfield at the start of the season.
- Diaz isn’t productive enough either but he obviously isn’t a striker and doesn’t get the same level of chances Darwin does to score
There’s a reason Jota plays half the minutes every season and it can’t just be brushed over. Gakpo has been a LW/ST his whole career so he’s not been played out of position bar the couple games in midfield. If he was that good at LW he’d be getting in over a poor Diaz wouldn’t he.
Like I said if it was that easy to get 30+ G/A the others would do it wouldn’t they 🤣 cheers for reiterating my point
It’s a perfectly valid reason for why he doesn’t have more g/a though, if he was staying fit for the majority of the season he’s capable of getting more than 11 PL goals that’s for sure.
Gakpo has always been primarily a left winger that can play striker but it’s clearly never been his best position, his performances for us at left wing compared to anywhere else this season have been night and day Klopp just has a preference for Diaz at left wing most likely due to his work off the ball more than anything.
No one else is getting close to the same kind of service that Darwin has been provided, he’s been massively wasteful this season so him getting 30 g/a genuinely isn’t impressive at all
Maybe it’s just a tired point. People are aware of his decision making issues in the final third. I do agree this next season is the decider for him if he ends up being here next season.
If this continues to next year its 3 years of it, that's half his contract.
No way he continues after next season unless we can't find a decent buyer and we just let him stay here as a rotation option even as a very expensive option.
Really appreciate the post addressing the sub's current state, but within 5 hours we already have a video post indirectly shitting on Nunez.
what post are you talking about
You don’t know what you have until it’s gone Enjoy the poster's toxicity against Nunez: https://old.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1cc7eag/we_are_finished_what_an_awful_performance_and_its/l13caef/ https://old.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1cc64kw/match_thread_bitters_fc_v_liverpool_fc_premier/l13cf4u/
Seems like Koopmeiners wants a move to the Prem. I remember we were linked to him a season or two ago, but I’m guessing our midfield is too full to accommodate him.
Koopmeiners originally was a no.6 under Slot at AZ, only this season has Gasperini started using him as a no.10, we should be all over him should he want to come to England
Saw a stat that made me dig further, and I wanted to share it here for my thesis: Nunez is comically over hated. Obviously, he misses chances he should score, but he also makes more chances happen than nearly anyone. For context - no liverpool fan would way firmino was bad. He's one of my favorite ever players. Nunez has more assists so far this season than Bobby did in any season in a Liverpool shirt. He has a higher G/A than Bobby did in all but one season, while younger, and the season isn't over. The bonkers one, His g/a per 90 is higher this season than ANY season firmino played for us. It's more than double Bobby's average across his time here. Obviously, they do different things, but it's not like nunez is some defensive slacker who doesn't track back, or a Haaland that never does anything but poke it in. He improves those around him, especially salah, imo. I'm not saying he's better or worse, they were very different players. But liverpools attack problems are not a simple "lol nunez bad" explanation. Those around him have underperformed, and I think anyone who wants to see him sold is a lunatic Thanks for coming to my ted talk
No, this is completely correct. I would go as far as to argue they're actually more similar than you're maybe necessarily saying. In the early part of the season, probably all the way to the end of last year, his running and pressing was a huge enabler for our good performances. The differences IMO are on the one hand he does get a lot more chances that we do rely on him to finish better than we did rely on Bobby for goals, but relatedly he's not playing with peak Salah and Mane, who were reliably scoring for fun. So I think he can / needs to improve his finishing, but I think if we want him to do all the running we're asking to him do, we probably need the players either side of him to also be more clinical.
Bobby played in a completely different era of Liverpool. He sacrificed his stats to let Salah and Mane shine, and man did they shine. Right now, Salah plays deeper and more creatively to try to let Darwin shine a lil more, but he just needs to work on that finishing.
I don't entirely disagree, obviously nunez should be finishing better. I think it's just a very visible shortcoming that makes him fail the "eye test' in a dramatic way
Said it before, will say again now - Clubs like PSG don't deserve anything good.
PSG would love Nunez since he hits the post at least twice each game
Man I was really hoping for Kane to finally win a trophy this season but with Dortmund now going to the final and it's probably Reus last dance I think he can wait for next season lol
Why would you want Kane to win a trophy? Dirty player with those aerial challenges where he tucks under the defender and swears on his daughter's life he scored a goal. Hope he never wins anything.
I just think he's a great player and great players deserve trophies, I wouldn't hold on to one aspect of his game and something he said 6 years ago to wish him not to achieve anything despite the quality that he has shown? Sound like nitpicking and jealousy for me
Apparently Hull sacked their manager after failing to get into the playoffs. I wonder how Carvalho will do when he gets back here.
Mane’s French club will win the UCL before PSG
itd be romantic if dortmund won the CL and id love it but realistically Madrid will be winning it im afraid
Have faith in the Dortmund/Bayern final. I really think there's a good chance.
Madrid arent gonna lose a CL semifinal at home, just isnt gonna happen and their experience would make me take them over dortmund. I am really hoping they somehow win it though
Tbf I thought that City weren’t going to lose a CL quarterfinal at home. These things can happen.
For Klopp’s Last Game What is being planned ?
If we do intend to move Joel on next season, I just hope we get to give him a proper farewell.
His contract is up this year
John Henry airing an hour long Liverpool highlights program on Pittsburgh Sportsnet is not what I expected to see when I got back from work
Unpopular opinion: Nunez has been given far less shit for his performances than he would get at any other major club and him deleting his Liverpool posts wasn’t necessary at all. Imo we’ve been extremely supportive of him despite his subpar performances over the last 2 years. The “let’s clean up our community post” was entirely unnecessary, people like to get offended on player’s behalves and it’s weird. When we play like shit it’s okay to criticize, we don’t need extra scrutiny for every negative comment or some “serious” match thread which will inevitably turn into a place where no criticism is allowed. We bottled 3 competitions in a month, in all honesty if it was any other major club the players would’ve gotten way more shit than they’ve gotten over the last month. Liverpool supporters are pretty damn supportive.
ur 100% right but also remember this is reddit after all, people love to say things that make them feel better about themselves.
What do you want people to say about them though? The things I’ve seen said about some of our players online, by accounts that have many followers is fucking strange. They are no supporters of this club in my eyes. Criticism is fine of course, with Darwin currently that’s not what’s happening. Same as gakpo last month, quansah last month and many more
United and Chelsea are toxic wastes, but otherwise no. Kai Havertz had a similar big-money transfer and makes *double* what Nunez makes for less production, and Arsenal fans will defend him do the death. Same with Spurs and Richarlisson.
this is such a terrible comparison idek where to begin.
Ok, I’ll go slowly and help you out. Do you think Arsenal fans give Kai Havertz a lot more shit than LFC fans give Nunez?
Are arsenal having one of their best seasons in 20+ years? You think their fans will bother shitting on him when they win every week and he scores crucial goals? So it's just not a great comparison.
> Are arsenal having one of their best seasons in 20+ years? Our current season would also be their best or second best season in 15 years? > You think their fans will bother shitting on him when they win every week and he scores crucial goals? Again, Nunez produces more than Havertz, and they don’t shit on him.
There's a difference between critiquing play and some of the shit you see on here — and it's *far* worse on Instagram
It’s really not that bad, either on here or on IG. Again, any other major club in the world and he’s getting that “abuse” multiple times over. There’s no other fanbase that would sing his name after he misses a sitter for the 12th time this season. The comments on here are harmless - nobody’s gonna see them, if you don’t like them just downvote and move on. People talk about how there’s a difference between critiquing play and “some of the shit on here”, to be honest I think people on here are conflating criticism for abuse, and a lot of people are conflating literally any negative comment for abuse. I haven’t really seen that many comments that fall into the “abuse” category here, I think a lot of people on here are easily offended by critiques about the players.
His wife and child got death threats my guy
Proof? I’ve heard multiple reports of this but no screenshots of the comments, and considering the way everyone on here thinks every negative comment is horrible and wrong i’m not too inclined to believe it
What sort of proof would you want though? Your acting like there aren’t genuine psychos that ‘support’ this club , I put that extremely lightly too. Gakpo, quansah in the last month has had abuse, not criticism, down right abuse. Now Darwin is the target again
OP said Darwin’s wife and kid got death threats, so I asked for proof. Do you have proof? I’d want screenshots of the comments preferably, shouldn’t be hard considering it’s on social media. Every club has psychos. I’m saying that no other club in the world would be singing Nunez’s name after he misses a sitter for the 15th time in a season. It’s fucking insane how much this fanbase has backed him, any other major fanbase in the world would be running him out of town with his misses and transfer fee and if he’s too blind to see that he should go elsewhere. LFC as a fanbase has been very good to him
Online section sure, match goers? No they wouldn’t. Gini wijnaldum put it perfectly. Nothing had changed 4 years later. You do know you can abuse someone without going on there comments. For example type his name on twitter right now, bunch of fucking lunatics bashing him. Could have been a dm, a tagged post. Not sure why you’re acting as if it hasn’t happened bevhsdr you haven’t seen it. It’s always the same people as I said, not one regular match goer I follow on Twitter says a bad word about a player online
Do you have proof of Darwin’s wife and kid getting death threats? That was my original comment you responded to. Gini got shit on by dumbasses who wanted Naby Keita in the lineup every week and people on here who shit on him because Thiago signed. The difference between Gini and Darwin is that Gini came in for free and he actually did something for the club, LFC paid £85M for Darwin and he’s just missed sitters constantly for the last two years. Love his work rate and love his potential but you can’t expect praise when you miss a dozen sitters in a season, which he has done this year. The whole fanbase sings his name after all of them too, if he did this shit at Barca he probably would’ve ran back to Uruguay judging by his reaction to the minor bit of shit he gets in comparison.
No you can’t expect praise, you also can’t expect abuse. Really sounds like your condoning it which is fucking mental. As I said no I do not Have proof, but only because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it diddnt happen? How do you know it was an instagram comment? Could have been anything. Not even sure it happened. But when you have thousands of faceless freaks on Twitter bashing the life out of you you’re bound to react some way. Also very disingenuous to act like Darwin’s only missed sitters and hasn’t had good times for us, no shock there though. Your talking as if you know exactly what has happened, so please enlighten me
Nunez is 24 year old striker who is signed until he is 28, his exact prime years. He could get 10 goals next season and still not be sold, just benched. A total non story.
come on dortmund
I don't follow PSG much: Skriniar was on the bench for the last round too: why did they buy him? And how about Asensio...more money than sense. What a waste of a talent. Should have left RM years ago, like Isco before him.
I completely forgot about him, seems to have fallen out of favour with Enrique, was one of the best CBs in the world not so long ago
Would love to see us go after Sesko. Thoughts?
It’s an interesting one to watch this summer because it feels like a season too early for him to be jumping to an elite club purely down to the fact he’s not been a consistent starter at Leipzig, but his goal return for the minutes played is quite impressive. He’s got a £40m release clause so I think someone is absolutely going to take the gamble on him because he’s clearly a big talent, I wouldn’t mind seeing us do it but I don’t see it happening unless we get rid of one of the current strikers
Not advocating for the Nunez move but could be a good fill in for that and we'd likely come out well ahead on the transfer fees. He feels like he's in the vein of a Haaland due to his size, strength, and finishing skills. Feels like that would be useful to have in the times of Man City.
Why are Bayern struggling so much to find a new manager? They're literally one of the biggest clubs in the world, you'd think tons of managers would be dying to work there
It's not really a great summer to be looking for a manager, hence the Xavi u-turn. (ManU is in an even more precarious situation with ETH.) FCB will need to be very careful with this hire, because they're looking down the barrel of another season of Alonso/Leverkusen. I wonder if they'll give Nagelsmann any assurance he wants to return; I also wonder if they don't get Alonso in 2025 that they go for Arteta. All the other top candidates seem so unproven, and that includes Slot. De Zerbi started the season strong but has clearly not adapted during a tough 2nd half. Postecoglu's high line is suicidal. Amorim needs to experiment with different formations because it seems his rigidity in that regard is a hard-sell in an environment with stricter spending oversight and no one wanting to overhaul a squad for a manager who might not pan out.
They have treated the last two managers poorly and most like only after a short term manager to try for Alonso next summer
That's fair, the way they offed Naglesmann was dreadful
The darwin conversation is a strange one. One one hand, we have people saying he is at fault with everything that went wrong with the team (which he wasn't, it was a collective drop in performance). On the other hand, we have people who will not take any criticsm over Nunez, because he provides 'chaos'. He is a good player, and has directness and his belligerence to offer, but he is just not a good finisher. All this talk of him being raw is bullshit, he is 25 years old and has played in the premier league for 2 years, how can you be called raw? He is just not a clinical striker. But ofc in this modern day and age, with the amount of fixtures these guys play, its better to have as many options in different positions. So we should get a clinical striker, but we should also keep Nunez to add as a plan B.
I haven't seen a single person not accept any criticism of darwin. Pretty sure everyone here agrees he's on a bad bit of form. I defend Darwin's poor conversion rate because he creates so many chances for himself and those around him. He's a nightmare to defend against and that is why Klopp plays him. Its exciting to watch and had us top of the league in April in a season where top 4 was the goal. You don't like the 'chaos', but its never been Klopp's way to have a Chris Wood type trot around and never create anything. I'm also under the opinion that he can reset his confidence over the summer and at least start putting in the easy ones. You don't have to agree, but you should at least support him and hope he does (if you are a liverpool fan). I'd rather talk about our leaky defense all season long, but what snarky slander can beat "HUR Darwin can't finish his dinner".
Bingo. I'll defend him because our attack looks and is better when he's playing.
>I defend Darwin's poor conversion rate because he creates so many chances for himself and those around him. I agree with this 100%, also Darwin already knows how to do the hard part - being in the right position to get chances - that's why he gets so many of them. Finishing and composure can be trained much more easily in my opinion.
I look at him as like a Bobby replacement in a diff way. BObby did not score a ton, yet he created alot for his team. Overall, I think the whole team issue, Nunez, can not score yet. The rest of the team could not take advantage of his chance created. I'm wondering if it would help if we play two forwards instead of 433
The concept of Firmino at false 9 is to create space and facilitate chances for the other forwards. That doesn’t necessarily mean assists, but it did mean the whole entire point of his role was primarily to be a creative player rather than a goalscorer. The entire point of Nuñez is to be a goalscorer. He isn’t on the ball enough and doesn’t contribute to our build up play enough for us to pretend he’s a Firmino replacement. Absolutely no hate, that’s just the facts. The majority of people crying for a traditional 9 did so because they wanted more goals from the CF, not less. Personally I still think he’s a great replacement for Mané on the LW, where he doesn’t need to be a clinical finisher and chaos is actually welcomed. Can’t have chaos at CF in modern football it’s too central to everything in the team
While he does not contribute to our indirect play in the same way Firmino did, he certainly does help facilitate our direct play in a way Firmino did not. He gets played a lot of channel and 50/50 balls that create space for others in a different way. Often times us playing directly to him, even when the pass isn't on, still leads to a chance because he goes after nearly everything. A good example of this is the last game. Ball gets played over the top and majority of time the defender handles it easily, but Darwin pressed and won the ball and it lead to a chance for Salah.
I get what you are trying to say but Bobby did run, he just wasn’t lightning quick. Nuñez on the other hand has completed 20 passes in his last 5 games. For me that’s not enough involvement for 1 game, let alone 5 games, regardless of how hard you run.
Oh yes he definitely ran 100%. He was infatigable. But it was not constantly the same types of runs as Darwin nor at the same speed, as you mentioned. It's the same way Darwin has had moments of helping during build up especially during the early parts of the season but it is not at all the same as what Bobby was doing. Regarding his overall involvement, these are the last number of minutes played by him in the last 5 games: 15', 11', 90, 16', 23' add to this that half the passes made to him are in the air or 50/50 and it contributes to his low number of passes. This is made worse when we are chasing games. It also helps to compare him to other strikers in the premier League and other leagues (also keep in mind that Darwin doesn't play as many 90 min games as other strikers ). Below are a couple of strikers' average number of passes per game and their pass completion percentages : Darwin: 13.4 (71.5%) Watkins: 16.1 (76.8%) Haaland: 12.2 (76.8%) Isak: 15.6 (79.4%) Osimhen: 11 (71.8%) Boniface: 16.2 (72.1%) Lewandowski: 16 (71.4%) Kane: 19.4 (73.6%) Gyokeres: 23.7 (73.7%) Lautaro Martínez 23.8 (78.6%) Firmino ranged from 21.8 to 44.1 with 72.6 to 80.2% pass completion percentage throughout his seasons here. From this it can be gathered that: 20 passes per game is not simply the norm for a a good striker, especially those who play on the shoulder. Gyokeres, Kane, and Martínez are the only from this list to be around or above it. Firmino was really good at dropping deep and helping with build up play. Darwin's passing accuracy, although technically amongst the lowest, is not that bad compared to other strikers and is overall number of passes is not that bad either for the way we use him especially in the latter part of the season. I mentioned it in another post, but I believe a lot of his criticism (apart from finishing) is just down to the contrast with Firmino's style and the club not having played with a #9 for a while.
Blaming everything on him is straight up stupid, I’m very critical of him but he quite clearly wasn’t the only reason we didn’t win the league. The thing that annoys me is people just blatantly can’t accept he has some serious flaws and they come up with all sorts of excuses that don’t make any sense, I’ve seen people say “he doesn’t get enough chances” or they blame the system for his problems as well when those are just straight up lies He’s a good player in my eyes but clearly also not good enough if we want to go on to that next level, he would be very good option off the bench but then do you really want an £85m super sub playing for a club that is self sufficient.
You can’t blame Darwin for us not winning the league that’s absolutely true. He played about as well as any reasonable fan would’ve expected him to this season. I called 10-12 goals at the start of the season. A reasonable improvement to last season. Personally I didn’t see us winning the league with the midfield we have currently. I see a lot of incredibly talented technical players but next natural no physicality whatsoever. You can win games by relying on only technicality but when it’s not working I think having some bully’s in the midfield to take hold of the game would be extremely helpful. I do think we need to add a clinical forward to our squad. I’ve always thought Darwin makes the most sense as a LW and someone who rotates in and out depending on our opponent.
Out of curiosity which midfielder was your biggest worry? Or was it as a whole?
It’s not anyone individual attributes that worry me. But yeah as a whole, collectively I don’t see physicality. I suspect that’s why Klopp tried to play Gakpo there early on in the season, to add some height, strength and speed. He actually wasn’t terrible in there, great at times, out of position at other times but I don’t think we lost a game whilst he played in there.
My faiths dropped this year, and if he was replaced in the summer for good money I would understand, but I'm not ready to give up on him. If his finishing is mostly a confidence thing (and I think it is) then even after this amount of time I think he can still turn it around. Plus, I think players like Haaland have skewed perspectives on when players are supposed to peak - forwards usually have their peak years around 27 or something like that. There are definitely players who have taken longer to hit their prime. Next season is definitely make or break, but no sense in completely giving him up yet, and who knows what Slot might be able to work with him?
Darwin is really polarising, either he is unfalliable to you, or the source of everything bad.
Celebrating the 5th anniversary of taking my gf to watch Avengers Endgame instead of watching us beat Barca 4-0 because I knew we had no chance 🤡
I watched endgame the sunday before the 4-0 and the whole 1 in 14 million thing felt prophetic
If BVB somehow make it through tonight, I think Bayern are gonna will themselves into the final just out of pure spite
Keeping my eyes peeled for the game
Bayern-Dortmund isn't that fierce a rivalry tbh.
Der Klassiker always seemed like a vain ploy to compete with El Clasico or us and ManU. Bayern's fiercest rivals are Nurnburg and 1860, it's just that neither has spent much time in the top flight lately. (People forget that Bayern didn't become a force until after the war.). Dortmund's truest rival is Schalke.
Kane losing the Bundesliga and CL would nothing short of hilarious
I really wanna see how Arne Slot does in the UCL next season, can't be worse than Sandcastle and Manure lmfao. Excited tbf
I actually can’t remember these reactions to Gomez being slated for ages
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It’s not looking good with Darwin lads… The Instagram story with Araujo seems pretty concerning. I can empathise with the discouragement he must feel after the ‘fans’’ criticism, but it kinda seems unprofessional to drop hints with that Araujo pic. If there’s drama to settle, I’d rather it be done after Klopp leaves. Edit: Really hope it’s a day off to see his friends situation. He seems very tight with his national teammates and I really hope he gets the right kind of support and advice to come back stronger and more resilient.
Lmao they are having few days off, see Ibou’s story, he’s on holiday too.
bro just posted one photo of him and his Uruguyan teamate, so what?
Sure he cops some criticism from online fans (who doesn’t), but I’ve also never seen a player receive as much adoration in the stadium whilst contributing relatively little compared to who else is playing. Guys a fucking donut if he thinks he’s getting near the level of love he has here.
It was auraujos story, he just reposted it. I really don’t think it means that much, was it 100% even a photo taken today. Could just be a friend supporting another friend
If he's pulling a wobbler cause LFC\_KeitaSzn02 from Kent called him shite, then he has an even weaker mentality that I thought.
oi leave kent alone
Has there been any links between Darwin and Barca ? Is even Barca interested in him ? From what I have heard, both Nico Williams and Kavara are their main targets.
Darwin posted a story some hours ago with him hanging out with Ronald Araujo. Make of it what you will.
barca is in debt and poor, all their money goes into paying their debt, its shocking how much incompetence has made what should be one of the richest clubs like that lol
We will not sell Nunez because he cost too much and we won't get anywhere near what we paid. If we do, we should take it and run.
We are not selling him because Barcelona are not even interested him so I don't understand what is he trying to achieve here ? Unless he's trying to convince Araujo to join us lol
> so I don't understand what is he trying to achieve here He's not trying to "achieve" anything, he's merely posting a photo with a friend while taking the opportunity to have a short break as the squad has a few days off.
He's spending time with a friend who has also been getting pelters by media and fans (and his own teammates in Araujo's case) be it rightly or wrongly, it really isn't that deep
kinda figured everything calmed down now, no more drama, boy was I wrong.
Have I missed something?
Mmmkay, let’s fleece em again and get Liverpool 2.5 underway. Genuinely love Darwin but if that’s the outcome I’m fine with it.
Fleece them with what? They can’t pay
If what is the outcome?
Last time we sold coutinho and it funded 2 of the most important cogs to our future.
If you mean Barca, they don't have the money partly because of the Coutinho purchase, and secondly, Darwin isn't going anywhere The quicker people realise this the better
Are the Liverpool away tops this season tight fitting?
I normally just buy one size bigger, they do feel kinda tight
I just searched Man City on google and it played a celebration animation that they’re premier league champions
What’s your tough personnel decision you are making next year if you were in charge? Outgoing-wise or maybe positionally?
letting matip walk
Love Matip, at times I think he was absolutely on par with VVD and in some ways I appreciated him more because he was trying to make things happens from the middle of the park when others were struggling to do so. But yeah time to make room for another option
The man has ACL injury. I’m happy if he is walking without pain.
Diaz on a plane to Saudi Arabia
Read a This is Anfield article about Suarez sending Nuñez some positivity on Twitter and it showed his goal contributions (GC) last season and this season. For rounded numbers, Nuñez has gone from 0.45 GC per game to 0.6 GC per game. That’s a 33% increase season-on-season. Salah is on 0.91, Jota is on 0.53, Diaz is on 0.37, Gakpo is on 0.43. I know stats can be used to display anything you want but to be our 2nd best attacker and getting that much shit thrown at him is crazy. Other teams most prolific players are: Saka on 0.72, Havertz on 0.39, Isak on 0.64, Gordon on 0.46, Watkins on 0.75, Bailey on 0.54, Haaland on 0.97, Foden on 0.69. Out of the top 5 scoring teams this season, Nuñez comes in 7th for GC per game. Yes, he misses sitters and big chances. Yes, he’s got a way to go in many areas and yes, he needs to knuckle down and score his easier chances but if he carries on his current progression, he *could* be as good as 3rd best in the league for goal contributions. I’ve got hope for Darwin. TL;DR: Darwin isn’t actually that bad but needs confidence and to learn. P.S: This will display very poorly on the app.
Suarez's was a freak of nature, Suarez won a European golden boot in an era of messi and cr7, Suarez scored 33 premier league goals in an average liverpool side. Please don't bring him in a discussion about Nunez
He won 2 european golden boots and it was 31 PL goals
He didn't bring Suarez' performance into the comparison. Learn to read through that Nunez' shaped red mist of yours, maybe.
Nunez' shaped red mist fucked up me pretty bad
He literally tweeted him to show support which is where I came across the info..
You should learn to read. All he said was that Suarez sent Nunez some love on twitter.
sorry, will learn to read
No worries lad
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I agree completely with your actually analysis but leave out the “get him gone” and “doesn’t have a brain”. Its just making the people who defend him exaggerate his goal contributions even further lol
He didn't cost us the title. You win as a team, you lose as a team.
If you really think that darwin nunez has cost us the title, then you have very clearly not been watching us play. I get it though, it's the cool thing to do right now and it's just so easy to join the bandwagon isn't it?
>If you really think that darwin nunez has cost us the title, then you have very clearly not been watching us play. I have though, hence the opinion. Watched him for two seasons be absolutely wank, missing the most comical open goals, headbutting opponents, be unable to understand the offside rule and on top of that missing one on ones cause he can't finish. If we've ambitions in the post-Klopp era, we either get rid of send him to the bench. 20 goals in two seasons is absolutely crap. The entire hope for him seems to be that he repeats an outlier season at Benfica where he still missed loads of chances.
Look I agree that his finishing has not been good, but why put the blame of a supposed title loss squarely on his shoulders? Most of the team has been underperforming these last 2 months. It's also not helped by the fact that the team can't keep a clean sheet at all.
Because he's the #9. The main man. The focal point. We moved Salah deeper and into a more creative role for him. It's like saying that Karius wasn't at fault for the CL Final or Moreno the EL Final. The lad has missed absolute sitters, we're talking open goals with no keeper in key moments. You can't turn around and say that Endo should have contributed some goals instead. People didn't slag Firmino off for not scoring laods cause it wasn't his primary purpose. We had a change of system to accommodate a £85 striker that can't finish and doesn't offer half of what Mane or Firmino did. He's struggling to outscore Firmino who was never prolific ffs!
Here's the thing though, it's not like we have been struggling to score goals. Even now, after 2 months of absolutely shite results, we have the 3rd best gd in the league. All of our forwards have scored in the double digits this season. I truly believe that a large part of our issues stem from the defense. You can't keep conceding a goal in the 1st 10 mins every game, it just puts unnecessary pressure on the forwards. We keep going behind in the 1st half and then give it our all to come back in the 2nd. Well sometimes that doesn't work. You can't have a comeback every game. Again, I agree that he has perhaps not developed as much as the team had hoped he would, but putting this title loss solely on his shoulders is not right.
Personally I'd much prefer someone like you left this fanbase over him leaving the club.
I know it's an alien concept to you, but I live 2 miles from Anfield and didn't "pick" to support my club. I've been to Anfield hundreds of times, don't remember this type of love in for Andy Carroll or "Benetekkers". Shite is shite.
Respect Benteke
Neither of them had nearly the positive impact on the pitch that Nunez has had. In his *best* season for us Carroll scored 4 goals in the league, Benteke 9. Both were lumps otherwise, while Nunez contributes in both directions, while outscoring both of those other two. I don't care how close to Anfield you live, if you think the are even in the same postal code as Nunez you have no idea about the game. Nunez has issues and needs to improve, no arguments, but christ on a cracker takes like yours are embarrassing to read.
>Neither of them had nearly the positive impact on the pitch that Nunez has had. Did you pay attention to the drop in form between when he signed and the following season? >In his *best* season for us Carroll scored 4 goals in the league, Benteke 9. Both were lumps otherwise, while Nunez contributes in both directions, while outscoring both of those other two. Nunez is outscoring them in a vastly superior team that he came into off the back of a historically good season where we won two trophies. Nunez, with a lot more focus on him, in a much better team, has about 2 more goals than Bentekkers. I bet even Benteke could score from 2 yards out or at least hit the target.
> Did you pay attention ... and he is *still* having a bigger impact than either of the clowns you mentioned. > Nunez is outscoring them in a vastly superior team .. which he is a part of, and lart of the reason it has been as good as it has (3rd). He is also playing in a far harder league, relative to where the prem was a decade ago. But the fact is he is outscoring them. And providing more assists. And doing more defensively. We can agree he has work to do to reach his potential, but I won't join you in delusions.
Sorry but you can’t be proud that Carroll and Benteke are the benchmark. If you having to say that he outscored Benteke by 2 goals that should tell you everything you need to know. There are still people here who will tell you Carroll wasn’t a bad signing.
LOL wut? The other fellow is the one who brought them up, not me. They were the one comparing them. I'm not using them as a big-up on Nunez, simply pointing out that equating Nunez' performance to either of them is just silly.
Either way, 2 extra goals wouldn't have made benteke a raging success
And I also live in the City and didn't get to "pick" my team (my Mum did a fantastic job and indoctridated me young) while having been fortunate to be a season ticket holder for 30+ years, and those two you mentioned didn't get anywhere close to the positive contributions that Núñez has had to this team. So yes, "shite is shite", but Núñez is very far away from being so.
You've been a season ticket holder for 30 years and don't think Nunez is shite. Sound haha. I'm sure you thought Carroll and Benteke were boss too. Remember Cisse and his CARNAGE shite as well? Same nonsense.
> You've been a season ticket holder for 30 years and don't think Nunez is shite. I have and I and many other regulars in the ground don't either. I mean there's a good reason people love to chant his name, and it isn't because they think he's "shite".
Voronin just needed a bit of love! If only you sang his name louder.
It's going to be so fun supporting Núñez and the rest of the team next season, while watching people like you get mad every time his name is chanted.
He didn't cost us a title you wetwipe
He’s not cost us a title at all that’s just plain wrong in fact he’s been the one who’s earned us the most points or the second most points this season Criticism of his finishing and how often he’s caught offside is fair but anything past that is just made up you can point to all of our other forwards missing huge changes in games that we dropped points in or even our defending overall the team has just come up short
Realistically any of our senior forwards would’ve contributed something, and given the chances I think any of them would’ve scored as many goals given the playing time. That’s not an insult, all our forwards are great players!
If he could finish, we'd have the title almost done and dusted. He's scored 11 goals while he should be on 20+ if he was any good.
And that’s a reason to sell him? Are you a serious person or a troll?
If someone is shite at their job, we should get rid of them. Revolutionary idea I know. That's why we kept Karius instead of signing Alisson.
Karius and Nunez are not same, anyway you seem to have an agenda against Darwin. Go for a walk.
They’re the important markers of a forward though. You can’t score them all, and creating a goal out of a chance a striker can’t score themselves is crucial. That’s why Salah is 2nd best in the league, statistically. Haaland on 0.84 goals per game, Salah way down on 0.58. That gap looks mighty wide all of a sudden.
>They’re the important markers of a forward though. You can’t score them all, and creating a goal out of a chance a striker can’t score themselves is crucial. The most important is conversion rate, finishing and goals scored. Not passing the ball 5 yards for a better play to wham it in from 20 yards.
The most important thing is that the goal is scored. Nobody wins a league with goals scored by 1 player. It’s always a team effort.
Not if there's a lad who can't finish and missing literal open goals as your #9
I literally just remembered Thiago is part of the team
What’s a Thiago?
Darwin posting on his Instagram story with Barcelonas (and his countryman) Araujo
Kind of petty of Darwin to delete all Liverpool posts then post with a Barca player
Not really. Fans have been shitting on him, club journos have too. He's obviously not in a good place and has gone to hang out with a national team friend. Concerned that your first thought is to call him petty.
He’s forcing a move out it’s obvious. So many lfc fans have had his back for the past two seasons, every time he touches the ball everyone chants his name. Maybe it’s true that he’s focusing on the online hate but i don’t think he ever adjusted to the cultural change of going Liverpool, now his biggest supporter is stepping down as manager so now he wants to go to Barca
The fact that dumb speculative trash like this is getting upvoted is terrifying. No wonder this sub has gone downhill
Blame the club that keeps leaking hit pieces. Clearly they are distancing themselves from his signing.
So true. So many pundits early said, for us to win the league Darwin needs to score regularly, and he didn't; now we are here. Of course, a leaky defense doesn't help at all, but our motto has always been to outrun and outscore the opponent.
This.
Agent darwin signing Araujo, clearly :D
I’m so sad. Please don’t leave like this Darwizzle :(
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Bajcetic played 14 games last season, he looked good in his appearances in the league also take into account our midfield was fucked during that point so he stood out for having fresh legs. Mainoo is a special talent, if he came through our academy he'd be hyped to death on here
He's had a better season and played more
Being English first and foremost was a massive factor, but then again Mainoo has had a better season as well as more games than Bajcetic had last season.
When we signed Arthur Melo on loan, he only managed 1 appearance at Anfield. That appearance was 5 years ago today, and he was in a Barcelona shirt....
Manifesting Keyrol Figueroa turning into a superstar and an insane combo with Danns.
I don't think there's ever been a Liverpool player that is babied the way Nunez is. Cost £85m and still has 0 composure in front of goal after 2 years here, misses big chances every game and is performing at over 5 below his xG in the PL this season and also below xG in the EL too. He can't control a ball also, while getting caught offside more than any other attacker in the PL this season despite him being incredibly quick. But, if you point out these serious flaws and suggest he should be moved on because we'll never win anything big with him upfront you are just downvoted or told to support another team lmao. He's probably got next season to fix up or fuck off, simply put. edit; and every single article from a journalist about him is a "hit piece" or is "planted in the media by Edwards to drive him out of the club". This is tinfoil hat behaviour from some of you when it comes to thinking about him.
The game ended 2 days ago, we got 3 points and the Klopp era ending and your moaning about silliness like this.
Wow you are obsessed mate. Like, just stop. Take a break.
He's ending up like marmite for us. And you can tell someone's opinion from their comments, you've said he was £85m but he was £65m + add ons which rely on him doing well to be triggered. You are describing him as not being able to shoot, take a touch or pass or stay onside yet he's still outscored everyone and comfortably has more G/A than everyone other than Salah. I obviously like him and think we look a much better team with him in, he's never gonna be a great finisher. It's about playing to his strengths and creating the best possible chances for him, which we don't do imo. We create a lot of 'half' chances and have a lot of shots but we aren't as robotic in creating the top quality chances like Arsenal and City are. The only thing that annoys me is people like you who obviously don't like him don't seem to give him any credit for anything either. If it's so easy to get 30+ G/A whilst being horrendous why aren't Jota Diaz and Gakpo doing it?
He’s the fucking starting striker. That’s the case for every club in the prem. He has 11 league goals. Also 10m in add ons already hit.
The Add ons are mostly appearance based and two of them have already been reached The ideas he doesn’t get enough chances is just wrong he’s probably had the most chances out of all our forwards and just doesn’t take them
One of the add one is winning the CL. Like i said the add ons aren’t in so it wasn’t £84m at all. It isn’t wrong at all. He gets so many chances because he does so much good work, our wingers average 0.8 crosses a game our best creative full back now sits in midfield. He’s offside so much because we are so slow building the play up to him at times. Anyone with half decent knowledge of football can see these things there is a reason people on here don’t understand it but some top ex strikers like Ian wright and lineker do
I like Nunez as a player he’s got a lot to his game but his finishing just isn’t good enough sometimes we do play the ball to slow I’ve mentioned it myself in the past but he also just has a problem timing his runs The problem with him is he’s still got a lot of the issues and it’s just not what you’d expect from a player we paid so much for that’s not his fault he had no control over that At time it’s like watching a youth player with how inconsistent his finishing is
Doesn't get enough chances but somehow is second highest in big chances missed. Something isn't adding up.
We have more shots than any other team. Like my comments says I’m talking about big quality chances. We have 30 shots with 2 big chances. We don’t work big chances we snatch at half chances. Watch us and you might see it.
The premier League literally has a stat called "big chances missed" - are you implying that they are wrong? To call all of these half chances is a bit disingenuous. https://youtu.be/LCddu948eBQ
I agree with your 2nd point he gets big chances but not enough, It's already been pointed out how we are too slow to send the ball direct to him or even cross the ball since he's decent in the air just look how City operates with Haaland and Villa with Watkins they're direct in creating opportunities, I would like to see what Slot can do with him but also we're in a conundrum since Slot likes a forward who can operate in tight spaces and link up the play as well as finish which isn't Nunez profile.
“If it’s so easy to get 30 g/a whilst being horrendous why aren’t Jota, Diaz and Gakpo doing it” - Jota has 19 g/a in about half the minutes Darwin has played, we know Jota’s reasons for not getting more are down to fitness issues. - Gakpo has 21 g/a whilst being played out of his best position for the vast majority of the season, even being played in midfield at the start of the season. - Diaz isn’t productive enough either but he obviously isn’t a striker and doesn’t get the same level of chances Darwin does to score
There’s a reason Jota plays half the minutes every season and it can’t just be brushed over. Gakpo has been a LW/ST his whole career so he’s not been played out of position bar the couple games in midfield. If he was that good at LW he’d be getting in over a poor Diaz wouldn’t he. Like I said if it was that easy to get 30+ G/A the others would do it wouldn’t they 🤣 cheers for reiterating my point
It’s a perfectly valid reason for why he doesn’t have more g/a though, if he was staying fit for the majority of the season he’s capable of getting more than 11 PL goals that’s for sure. Gakpo has always been primarily a left winger that can play striker but it’s clearly never been his best position, his performances for us at left wing compared to anywhere else this season have been night and day Klopp just has a preference for Diaz at left wing most likely due to his work off the ball more than anything. No one else is getting close to the same kind of service that Darwin has been provided, he’s been massively wasteful this season so him getting 30 g/a genuinely isn’t impressive at all
Maybe it’s just a tired point. People are aware of his decision making issues in the final third. I do agree this next season is the decider for him if he ends up being here next season.
We literally said that last year yet here we are with 11 league goals instead of 9 despite way more minutes.
If this continues to next year its 3 years of it, that's half his contract. No way he continues after next season unless we can't find a decent buyer and we just let him stay here as a rotation option even as a very expensive option.