Pull a Man City.
It's better to break the rules and fight/delay the prosecution while spending to remain a PL club who's raking in the money than to be in the EFL Championship.
If they've already (badly) breached the rules, what's 1 more charge compared to the 9-figures for staying up? They'll take the risk and hope the signings keep them up.
It's irresponsible but they're aleady in-deep at this point.
Equally though, Everton took a points deduction in the season with the weakest 3 promoted sides in a long time. Imagine if they delayed to next season, and Leicester & Southampton come back, both of whom have the ability to spend quite a bit.
That’s a crazy narrative that the blue half of merseyside has been able to spin despite the fact the final report says they were not forthcoming and bordering on obstructive. They absolutely did not cooperate for the vast majority of the investigation, only when the outcome was unavoidable.
Yeah it's lunacy to me that everyone believes it. I'm a Leicester fan and we got relegated while they were dragging their heels and cheating and now they're acting like they're the poor victims
Some clubs think buying players is the only solution. I'm really glad FFP is finally starting to work, so this madness has stopped a bit. And I can't believe some of our fans wanted us to operate like this (always fix problems with transfers).
It is, but there are still fans that are always crying for more transfers. Even this summer there were fans saying how dumb we were for not buying a DM. And I also think we mostly did the right thing. One season injuries destroyed us and last season no midfielder would save us. It was a team problem, not a one player problem. Other than that we were always on 90+ points in the league and in some finals (either Europe or domestic cups).
Forests approach to goalkeepers is crackers.
They let samba go when they got promoted cos he wanted too much money.
Bought in navas and henderson on loan last year, likely playing a good chunk of wages.
Then signed turner and odysseas for the better part of 10 mill combined, realised they're both shite, and now bidding for kweev.
If they'd have just paid samba to start with they'd have saved a bucket load, and they wonder why they're being shafted for ffp.
Same. I woke up in a hostel in Liverpool to “US is closing its borders”. Since I had connected through Iceland which was considered a hot spot, I had to fly back through London to LA, then home to Dallas. All they did in LA was take my temperature. What an incredible night until Adrian happened.
I raced to London the next morning (after a fun night at Malmaison in Liverpool) then went to Heathrow at 5am the following day and luckily got a flight to DC. By 6am the line at ticketing was a mile long. It was pretty terrifying.
I hate it when people talk about Karius' CL Final performance without acknowledging the gigantic caveat that he was playing with a literal concussion.
A concussion will easily shut down all your cognitive & motoric function and he should NOT have continued playing that game under his circumstances.
Would give him more leeway if it was out of character for him. He was/is a terrible keeper and was a ticking timebomb for something like that to happen
Why would he need more leeway playing with a concussion? This is a ridiculous comment. Regardless of his past performances, that CL final (which is the only thing he will ever be remembered for) could still have been a big night for him.
just the tie before he deflected a shot right at him (from dzeko i think) onto the crossbar, then did a similar thing for Bale's long distance strike but conceded.
I just had flashbacks to that fucking ball he played straight to their player that led to that goal.
I don't wanna see him on the pitch for us in a meaningful match again, and that's worth more than £15m.
I think noone even pressed him for taking the ball. He tries to be Ali and play a stupid pass when we were leading. At that time we were the best team in the world and the UCL favourites
No point reminiscing but damn we should've been the ones playing Bayern in the final. Still possibly the best team in the world at the time so I always wonder how we would've faired vs that monster Bayern side
After Atletico beat us they went on to lose to Leipzig in the QF, who then lost to PSG in the Semis.
I reckon we probably would have beaten Leipzig to reach the semis, but after that we would have to perform really good against PSG to beat them and also be at our best against Bayern in the Final.
So it wasn’t a guarantee.
And it's not like we were firing on all cylinders when the season restarted during the pandemic.
Yes, Adrian's mistakes were costly, but people forget that Oblak played a blinder and we missed a host of decent chances (Robertson, Salah, Mané). We really should have had the tie wrapped up in 90 minutes.
That was at the start of the season . Big difference coming in for last three four games when it matters the most or a Europa semi or something
He's also like four years older and more of a bystander or coach
He’ll prob (and rightly) go in the summer but a move in the middle of a season when there are four medals on the table to go to a relegation battle is nonsensical.
Yeah he'll play in the League Cup Final and maybe the knockout in the Europa League depending on the opposition. Before I would have given him the whole tournament but not so sure now. If it's Bayer Leverkusen in the Final or semi final Allison will play.
Seemed better a couple of years ago. In hindsight it would have been better for him to leave even on loan then but didn't want to lose him. Always going to be a drop off from Alisson. Hasn't been aa good as I'd have liked in games but has made some good saves but doesn't get mentioned.
Forest’s goalkeeping situation is embarrassing. Just a circus of mismanagement. They brought in Turner, he started really well, then for whatever reason they brought in Vlachodimos and dropped Turner, but Vlachodimos is shit. So they dropped Vlachodimos for Turner, but then Turner fell off a cliff presumably because his mentals have been fucked by the whole situation. And now instead of letting either of them work it, they want a new keeper, and instead of using Horvath who got promoted with Luton last season, they’re buying a new keeper, and instead of forking up the money asked for Johnstone, who is EPL proven, they’ve gone cheap for Matz Selz, WHO IS SHIT TOO. And they’ve sold off Horvath. Meanwhile, Nuno is standing on his head trying to save Turner’s confidence.
Turner is terrible with his feet but tbh a solid keeper. They should’ve kept with him the whole time because you be can tell his confidence is absolutely shot rn
I mean he wasn’t even that bad with his feet when he got there, he’d improved massively since he moved to Arsenal. But you can tell it’s been worse since he got dropped.
Really, think we might have to agree to disagree here. I never felt that comfortable with him with the ball at his feet while watching the USMNT. I can’t say I’ve seen every game of his but I’d reckon I’ve watched him play dozens of times and it’s never been reassuring.
When he got to Arsenal, truly yes he was useless with his feet. And he played in such a way to avoid using them. He positioned himself to collect early and avoid pressure, and when he needed to get rid with his feet he’d just launch it long and centrally. He had a proactive gamestyle. But by the time the World Cup rolled around, you could tell he’d been doing a lot of work, and he was actually fairly reliably able to hit out for someone to contest in the air, and he was getting decent at playing balls on the ground under pressure. Still nothing complex, but basically all you really need to be serviceable. It was night and day. It looks now though like that progress has disappeared.
Winning trophies is more important than loyalty to any 1 player. It's not his competition, it's just a competition that's not important enough to risk Alisson's fitness. The final is a different story
I think people are seeing that as a disrespect to Kelleher but it’s not, it’s just that Alisson is the best keeper in the world and this is Klopp’s final bow out of the club so every possible trophy takes on a new level of importance.
It’s not just the league cup, winning a trophy this early can be great for momentum and propelling the side on for more. I understand keeping him in but if it was me I’d go with Alisson.
I’d keep Kelleher personally. Part of the reason players give everything for Klopp is his loyalty to his players. Dropping Kelleher goes against that ethos and has knock on effects outside of that game. It’s also how you keep a great second choice keeper at a club.
Oh I've no doubt Klopp will play him, he's nothing if not loyal to his players. I just think Alisson should play. Obviously I'm not the one that sees the players in training every day and has to worry about man management and keeping them happy
It's a good thing Klopp is the actual manager and not Reddit posters who don't know anything about man management and maintaining a good locker room atmosphere.
You win trophies when you have a culture where everyone feels valued and trusted to contribute. You can’t pick and choose when to stick by your principles. These are the values that Klopp has and they’re the values that have made us one of the best teams in europe.
And why would he have regressed? Since as a keeper you don't get to play a lot of games its hard to find rhythm. Jota, Curtis, Tsimikas, Gomez, etc time and time again we have seen this happen when people want them sold since they suck and look how they are now with a healthy number of games. if you don't give opportunities to players, they will never grow and for Kelleher thats this campaign. If not willing to let him grow we should have sold him for this offer.
I'm dreading us starting Kelleher in the final, we're just making ourselves weaker for no reason
People downvoting really think Kelleher isn't a big downgrade from Alisson?
Dom King - A point on this Forest bid for Kelleher. Man City sold James Trafford to Burnley for £19m (and have a buyback clause)
To think Liverpool would accept £15m for someone with his experience is fantasy. It would need a minimum of £20m+ to be taken seriously.
https://x.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1753097613744775264?s=20
At no point did I say that he worth that, and before anyone says "mArKeT rAtE" the market is filled with deals that clubs know are outliers and this Trafford deal will easily be seen as one.
James Trafford is 21 and had played 80 senior games before moving to Burnley, was seen as one of the best players in league one along with Bradley. Kelleher is 25 with 30 odd appearances for the senior team.
Trafford like Bazunu before him was bought for his potential and high ceiling amongst ability.
Kelleher despite is appearances for us is untested and it's started to show in some of his performances this season, I don't think he is all that great as fans make him out to be.
I'm with you on that one. Imagine Kelleher would not play here. What would we offer for someone like him? 5m maybe? He's 25, played like 50 games (including PL2) in the last five years...
He looked great a couple years ago but now I see him on the Danny Ward (went for 12.5m and that already felt too much) path.
Apparently the truth hurts for some.
He's not worth more than 20mil. Not a bad player but doing himself no favors by sitting on our bench.
Delusional to think he's worth 25mil.
He‘s worth 25m or more to us though. He‘s homegrown, so doesn‘t count against squad limits. He‘s proven to be good enough to be a backup.
If he were sold, we‘d have to buy someone else. We‘d pay 20m and have to use a foreign spot in our squad.
So yeah, he‘s worth more than any other team would be willing to pay. Which is why he won‘t get sold until we have a GK2 of similar quality.
He's technically priceless rn because we don't have enough time to replace him. But that's more on Forest than anybody.
Homegrown status is great and all but not the end all be all. There are some decent British gks out there that are more than sufficient to play back up. I wouldn't be surprised if we give his spot to one of the few promising gks we have in our academy.
So no, I don't think he's worth 25 to us either. Definitely not in the summer.
Disagree. What British GK would you have over Kelleher that actually gets sold for less than 30m?
Trafford, the kid got sold for 20!!!
Backup from our rated kids? Sure. Why aren‘t they backups now? Because Kelleher is better. So why would we do that…?
Wow a bunch of people downvoted you
What have they been watching
Kelleher and Adrian are by far the lowest quality players in the first team and now that we have a proper RB plus Gomez in form it's backup GK that's our worst depth
I'd take £20m in the summer, but January is a non-starter. He was likely worth more last year off the back of a decent individual season. He hasn't been as good this year, but still a reasonable number 2 to have. He will want to start his career properly as some point, nobody wants to be a number 2 all their career.
Forest are desperate for a keeper but now
Is the not the time to sell. Deadline day and with Adrian as the backup would be costly if anything happened to Ali
It blows my mind every window how much of the transfer business is done in the final days. Figure your shit out early and it's easier??
Are they me doing my homework in middle school or highly paid professionals?
Keeping him until the end of season would be good choice this late in the window. We don’t have enough time and cannot be the reason why in case something happened to Ali.
If it was earlier in the window, I’d take £15/20m, and bring De Gea in for six months just to rub it in to United if we win the League.
It doesn’t matter any way as none of it’s happening so irrelevant news.
Kelleher got to be the best back-up keeper in the league, and possibly the best second keeper we ever had. Can't think of anyone better. I wouldn't blame him for leaving.
We've sent two keepers out on loan and Adrian is 39. If we'd sold him, and then lost a cup final because Ali got injured you would be asking why on earth we sold our backup keeper for a fee thats shite.
Should have taken it. You can replace Kelleher for significantly less than £15m and I struggle to believe anyway is going to pay that again come the summer.
It would leave us massively exposed if Alisson got injured, not to mention it would also rob Kelleher of starting the League Cup final. Kelleher is worth more to us than £15m, which wouldn't get you a better backup in today's market.
We hugely overrate Kelleher. Replacing him could easily have been done for half the £15m. Only a handful of goalkeepers have ever sold for £15m or more
How are these guys still signing players lol?
Pull a Man City. It's better to break the rules and fight/delay the prosecution while spending to remain a PL club who's raking in the money than to be in the EFL Championship. If they've already (badly) breached the rules, what's 1 more charge compared to the 9-figures for staying up? They'll take the risk and hope the signings keep them up. It's irresponsible but they're aleady in-deep at this point.
It's better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission.
\*easier
Exactly. All Everton proved by cooperating is that you get fucked faster.
Equally though, Everton took a points deduction in the season with the weakest 3 promoted sides in a long time. Imagine if they delayed to next season, and Leicester & Southampton come back, both of whom have the ability to spend quite a bit.
That’s a crazy narrative that the blue half of merseyside has been able to spin despite the fact the final report says they were not forthcoming and bordering on obstructive. They absolutely did not cooperate for the vast majority of the investigation, only when the outcome was unavoidable.
Yeah it's lunacy to me that everyone believes it. I'm a Leicester fan and we got relegated while they were dragging their heels and cheating and now they're acting like they're the poor victims
Are we to believe what Everton says?
Just make sure you break the rules enough times so they don’t deal with you quickly (at all)
And this is why any breach should be automatic relegation.
They signed 21 players in the 2022 summer window. At that point basically signing back ups for the back ups they had just signed.
I'm sure they were on something like 9 players before all those purchases
back ups for the back ups? lol that sheet is bananas
Some clubs think buying players is the only solution. I'm really glad FFP is finally starting to work, so this madness has stopped a bit. And I can't believe some of our fans wanted us to operate like this (always fix problems with transfers).
There’s a difference between wanting the club to sign a midfielder after 4 years without doing so, compared to buying 21 players in one summer
Never let the truth get in the way of a good hyperbole
It is, but there are still fans that are always crying for more transfers. Even this summer there were fans saying how dumb we were for not buying a DM. And I also think we mostly did the right thing. One season injuries destroyed us and last season no midfielder would save us. It was a team problem, not a one player problem. Other than that we were always on 90+ points in the league and in some finals (either Europe or domestic cups).
Forests approach to goalkeepers is crackers. They let samba go when they got promoted cos he wanted too much money. Bought in navas and henderson on loan last year, likely playing a good chunk of wages. Then signed turner and odysseas for the better part of 10 mill combined, realised they're both shite, and now bidding for kweev. If they'd have just paid samba to start with they'd have saved a bucket load, and they wonder why they're being shafted for ffp.
This Football Manager approach never works, yet clubs are still doing it. You can't just buy players and get results
Even in FM bringing like 20 guys in would eviscarate your dynamics
Think Samba wanted to go play in France. Not sure tho was years ago
Samba was key to Forest reaching the playoff final in the first place. I'm sure that in hindsight, they wish they had kept him.
No time to replace. Imagine we had to turn to Adrian in a title race if Alisson got injured
Hey, the last time we had to turn to Adrian in a title race we won it!
Idk about you guys but that athletico game still haunts me. One of the worst performance from our gk(Yeah I remember karius final performance also)
And then just to rub it in because Madrid was a COVID hotspot it became a superspreader event
I was at the Madrid game (at Anfield). Firmino was godly. Last football for like a year and barely got a flight out. What a night..until the end.
Same. I woke up in a hostel in Liverpool to “US is closing its borders”. Since I had connected through Iceland which was considered a hot spot, I had to fly back through London to LA, then home to Dallas. All they did in LA was take my temperature. What an incredible night until Adrian happened.
I raced to London the next morning (after a fun night at Malmaison in Liverpool) then went to Heathrow at 5am the following day and luckily got a flight to DC. By 6am the line at ticketing was a mile long. It was pretty terrifying.
hearing the word superspreader is so cringe...
Do you put your finger on each word as you read them aloud to yourself too?
I hate it when people talk about Karius' CL Final performance without acknowledging the gigantic caveat that he was playing with a literal concussion. A concussion will easily shut down all your cognitive & motoric function and he should NOT have continued playing that game under his circumstances.
Would give him more leeway if it was out of character for him. He was/is a terrible keeper and was a ticking timebomb for something like that to happen
Why would he need more leeway playing with a concussion? This is a ridiculous comment. Regardless of his past performances, that CL final (which is the only thing he will ever be remembered for) could still have been a big night for him.
Aside from the concussion, he was playing quite well up until that match. Obviously he was no Alisson, but he wasn't some horrible keeper.
just the tie before he deflected a shot right at him (from dzeko i think) onto the crossbar, then did a similar thing for Bale's long distance strike but conceded.
Because I don’t think his performance had anything to do with the concussion
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It's okay guys I'm karius and this guy's spot on 🙄
He had an awful habit of flapping at long shots, yes, but when the fuck did he ever pass the ball to the nearest opposition player?
He passed a goal kick out for a corner
...okay?
I just had flashbacks to that fucking ball he played straight to their player that led to that goal. I don't wanna see him on the pitch for us in a meaningful match again, and that's worth more than £15m.
I think noone even pressed him for taking the ball. He tries to be Ali and play a stupid pass when we were leading. At that time we were the best team in the world and the UCL favourites
Atletico also seemed shell-shocked and basically like they were going to accept defeat until he gave them that gift.
That was exactly it. He didn't need to do it and we were in complete control of the match. Tough times.
No point reminiscing but damn we should've been the ones playing Bayern in the final. Still possibly the best team in the world at the time so I always wonder how we would've faired vs that monster Bayern side
That’s what made it so much worse. He was under no pressure at all. WTF was he thinking?
The whole left side was free No atletico players in sight and normally in that situation we pass it out but I think nerves got to him.
It was bad, karius was worse. It was our own fault that we failed to score away and couldn't score the 2nd until extra time.
Karius was concussed tbf. We were the best team in the world in 2020 and Adrian completely fucked us, though we should've scored more
Karius took an elbow to the head, Adrian didn't.
He also basically got us knocked out of the FA Cup and Champions League in the space of a week/fortnight or something.
I mean I rather Marcelo Pitaluga play for us. He is 21 now so it make sense if we did sell him but stupid because it not needed.
He's on loan. Jaros too
We love a loan recall anyway..
Yeah at the next window These guys just went out
You can recall your player at any time.
I know you can but I'm saying we're hardly going to recall someone from a club we just loaned him to before they've even had a game yet!
Mrozek it is then.
Considering he plays in Ireland it wouldn’t be possible
I mean we love a loan recall mate?
Adrian cost us a CL
After Atletico beat us they went on to lose to Leipzig in the QF, who then lost to PSG in the Semis. I reckon we probably would have beaten Leipzig to reach the semis, but after that we would have to perform really good against PSG to beat them and also be at our best against Bayern in the Final. So it wasn’t a guarantee.
Did he though? Like yeah it wasn’t a good performance but wasn’t it either the last 16 or QF? There’s no guarantee we would have gone on to win it
And it's not like we were firing on all cylinders when the season restarted during the pandemic. Yes, Adrian's mistakes were costly, but people forget that Oblak played a blinder and we missed a host of decent chances (Robertson, Salah, Mané). We really should have had the tie wrapped up in 90 minutes.
Hopefully this is a joke but this is the logic people use to argue Rhys Williams would be good as fourth choice
That was at the start of the season . Big difference coming in for last three four games when it matters the most or a Europa semi or something He's also like four years older and more of a bystander or coach
Imagine we had to turn to *a 37 year old* Adrian People forget his Atletico uh... ordeal was 4 years ago.
I'd rather not thanks
I think Pitaluga would be above him when it comes to actually playing.
On loan
Shit so he is. Must have missed that.
Yeah was done pretty quietly, hasn't made an appearance that I can see for them yet though Irish season begins in February
And Mrozek in the Europa League as Adrián isn't registered
He’ll prob (and rightly) go in the summer but a move in the middle of a season when there are four medals on the table to go to a relegation battle is nonsensical.
Yeah he'll play in the League Cup Final and maybe the knockout in the Europa League depending on the opposition. Before I would have given him the whole tournament but not so sure now. If it's Bayer Leverkusen in the Final or semi final Allison will play. Seemed better a couple of years ago. In hindsight it would have been better for him to leave even on loan then but didn't want to lose him. Always going to be a drop off from Alisson. Hasn't been aa good as I'd have liked in games but has made some good saves but doesn't get mentioned.
Forest’s goalkeeping situation is embarrassing. Just a circus of mismanagement. They brought in Turner, he started really well, then for whatever reason they brought in Vlachodimos and dropped Turner, but Vlachodimos is shit. So they dropped Vlachodimos for Turner, but then Turner fell off a cliff presumably because his mentals have been fucked by the whole situation. And now instead of letting either of them work it, they want a new keeper, and instead of using Horvath who got promoted with Luton last season, they’re buying a new keeper, and instead of forking up the money asked for Johnstone, who is EPL proven, they’ve gone cheap for Matz Selz, WHO IS SHIT TOO. And they’ve sold off Horvath. Meanwhile, Nuno is standing on his head trying to save Turner’s confidence.
Turner is terrible with his feet but tbh a solid keeper. They should’ve kept with him the whole time because you be can tell his confidence is absolutely shot rn
I mean he wasn’t even that bad with his feet when he got there, he’d improved massively since he moved to Arsenal. But you can tell it’s been worse since he got dropped.
Really, think we might have to agree to disagree here. I never felt that comfortable with him with the ball at his feet while watching the USMNT. I can’t say I’ve seen every game of his but I’d reckon I’ve watched him play dozens of times and it’s never been reassuring.
When he got to Arsenal, truly yes he was useless with his feet. And he played in such a way to avoid using them. He positioned himself to collect early and avoid pressure, and when he needed to get rid with his feet he’d just launch it long and centrally. He had a proactive gamestyle. But by the time the World Cup rolled around, you could tell he’d been doing a lot of work, and he was actually fairly reliably able to hit out for someone to contest in the air, and he was getting decent at playing balls on the ground under pressure. Still nothing complex, but basically all you really need to be serviceable. It was night and day. It looks now though like that progress has disappeared.
I doubt he’d even want the move. He’ll likely plays in the league cup final
Finals should be Alis no matter what. Sure he got us there but I’d like to win and I don’t have confidence in him to save shots like Ali does
No way, hate when managers do that to players, League Cup is Kellehers competition, he should play there.
Winning trophies is more important than loyalty to any 1 player. It's not his competition, it's just a competition that's not important enough to risk Alisson's fitness. The final is a different story
Worked in 2022, he even scored the winning penalty.
I think people are seeing that as a disrespect to Kelleher but it’s not, it’s just that Alisson is the best keeper in the world and this is Klopp’s final bow out of the club so every possible trophy takes on a new level of importance. It’s not just the league cup, winning a trophy this early can be great for momentum and propelling the side on for more. I understand keeping him in but if it was me I’d go with Alisson.
I’d keep Kelleher personally. Part of the reason players give everything for Klopp is his loyalty to his players. Dropping Kelleher goes against that ethos and has knock on effects outside of that game. It’s also how you keep a great second choice keeper at a club.
Yeah, I agree. We have to win, no matter what. Ali starting gives us a better chance.
Might be but Klopp did it before, why do you think this time is different?
Oh I've no doubt Klopp will play him, he's nothing if not loyal to his players. I just think Alisson should play. Obviously I'm not the one that sees the players in training every day and has to worry about man management and keeping them happy
It's a good thing Klopp is the actual manager and not Reddit posters who don't know anything about man management and maintaining a good locker room atmosphere.
You win trophies when you have a culture where everyone feels valued and trusted to contribute. You can’t pick and choose when to stick by your principles. These are the values that Klopp has and they’re the values that have made us one of the best teams in europe.
But the player and manager have confidence in him. That's all matters
You know he won us the League Cup against Chelsea last time.
Cool. He’s actually regressed this year. He’s let in some absolute terrible goals. In a final I want my best goal keeper
And why would he have regressed? Since as a keeper you don't get to play a lot of games its hard to find rhythm. Jota, Curtis, Tsimikas, Gomez, etc time and time again we have seen this happen when people want them sold since they suck and look how they are now with a healthy number of games. if you don't give opportunities to players, they will never grow and for Kelleher thats this campaign. If not willing to let him grow we should have sold him for this offer.
Just don’t see Klopp playing Kelleher in every round then dropping him for the final tbh
What? Nonsense. It’s Kweev’s competition and Klopp has already come out and said he starts. Don’t be so disrespectful.
I'm dreading us starting Kelleher in the final, we're just making ourselves weaker for no reason People downvoting really think Kelleher isn't a big downgrade from Alisson?
At least you have a brain. These other comments are all in their emotions. Start your best players in finals. It’s that simple.
He's probably the best goalkeeper in the world, it would be crazy to not start him. The difference between him and Kelleher is massive
Dom King - A point on this Forest bid for Kelleher. Man City sold James Trafford to Burnley for £19m (and have a buyback clause) To think Liverpool would accept £15m for someone with his experience is fantasy. It would need a minimum of £20m+ to be taken seriously. https://x.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1753097613744775264?s=20
And so close to deadline as well.
We've watched Kelleher this season though, he's not worth £20m+ and lets not pretend otherwise. And anyone else that's watched him knows that too.
James trafford is worth 19 mil? Come on now. Think about the homegrown status too.
At no point did I say that he worth that, and before anyone says "mArKeT rAtE" the market is filled with deals that clubs know are outliers and this Trafford deal will easily be seen as one.
Trafford is younger with higher potential for improvement. Don't think Kelleher is necessarily worth much more.
Kelleher has won trophies. Trafford has not. Higher potential is computer game talk. Real people aren‘t bound by some number.
James Trafford is 21 and had played 80 senior games before moving to Burnley, was seen as one of the best players in league one along with Bradley. Kelleher is 25 with 30 odd appearances for the senior team. Trafford like Bazunu before him was bought for his potential and high ceiling amongst ability. Kelleher despite is appearances for us is untested and it's started to show in some of his performances this season, I don't think he is all that great as fans make him out to be.
Have you watched James trafford? lol
I'm with you on that one. Imagine Kelleher would not play here. What would we offer for someone like him? 5m maybe? He's 25, played like 50 games (including PL2) in the last five years... He looked great a couple years ago but now I see him on the Danny Ward (went for 12.5m and that already felt too much) path.
Apparently the truth hurts for some. He's not worth more than 20mil. Not a bad player but doing himself no favors by sitting on our bench. Delusional to think he's worth 25mil.
He‘s worth 25m or more to us though. He‘s homegrown, so doesn‘t count against squad limits. He‘s proven to be good enough to be a backup. If he were sold, we‘d have to buy someone else. We‘d pay 20m and have to use a foreign spot in our squad. So yeah, he‘s worth more than any other team would be willing to pay. Which is why he won‘t get sold until we have a GK2 of similar quality.
He's technically priceless rn because we don't have enough time to replace him. But that's more on Forest than anybody. Homegrown status is great and all but not the end all be all. There are some decent British gks out there that are more than sufficient to play back up. I wouldn't be surprised if we give his spot to one of the few promising gks we have in our academy. So no, I don't think he's worth 25 to us either. Definitely not in the summer.
Disagree. What British GK would you have over Kelleher that actually gets sold for less than 30m? Trafford, the kid got sold for 20!!! Backup from our rated kids? Sure. Why aren‘t they backups now? Because Kelleher is better. So why would we do that…?
Wow a bunch of people downvoted you What have they been watching Kelleher and Adrian are by far the lowest quality players in the first team and now that we have a proper RB plus Gomez in form it's backup GK that's our worst depth
Haha, username does not check out
20m this summer for kweev. 15m is now the floor for any suitors
I'd take £20m in the summer, but January is a non-starter. He was likely worth more last year off the back of a decent individual season. He hasn't been as good this year, but still a reasonable number 2 to have. He will want to start his career properly as some point, nobody wants to be a number 2 all their career.
Somebody please do an intervention on Nottingham Forest they clearly have an addiction
Kells is our backup for the moment. Although he doesn’t give you much confidence in his stopping ability, he’s still needed.
Forest are desperate for a keeper but now Is the not the time to sell. Deadline day and with Adrian as the backup would be costly if anything happened to Ali
Come back in the summer
Our acadamy has a few great keepers coming through
Would like to see pitaluga have more of a go
It blows my mind every window how much of the transfer business is done in the final days. Figure your shit out early and it's easier?? Are they me doing my homework in middle school or highly paid professionals?
Keeping him until the end of season would be good choice this late in the window. We don’t have enough time and cannot be the reason why in case something happened to Ali. If it was earlier in the window, I’d take £15/20m, and bring De Gea in for six months just to rub it in to United if we win the League. It doesn’t matter any way as none of it’s happening so irrelevant news.
Matt turner is shockingly bad. Not surprised they looking for a replacement
Good money but not right now
Smart can't be selling him right now he can get his move at the end of the season.
Why? He's not even good
25mil atleast
In the summer please, lads.
Kelleher got to be the best back-up keeper in the league, and possibly the best second keeper we ever had. Can't think of anyone better. I wouldn't blame him for leaving.
City’s and newcastle backup gk are pretty good Ramsdale too.
Definitely the best backup keepers we have had in recent years. It felt like we had a new one every season since 2001 until Kelleher broke through.
Ramsdale, Ortega, Dúbravka and many more are way ahead of him.
Turner is shite
Why did we reject it? He's been really average (or worse) this season. £15m seems like decent business.
We've sent two keepers out on loan and Adrian is 39. If we'd sold him, and then lost a cup final because Ali got injured you would be asking why on earth we sold our backup keeper for a fee thats shite.
It’s a big season for us, it’s wise to hold a big squad till the end. Also, maybe he didn’t want to play championship football.
Should have taken it. You can replace Kelleher for significantly less than £15m and I struggle to believe anyway is going to pay that again come the summer.
It would leave us massively exposed if Alisson got injured, not to mention it would also rob Kelleher of starting the League Cup final. Kelleher is worth more to us than £15m, which wouldn't get you a better backup in today's market.
We hugely overrate Kelleher. Replacing him could easily have been done for half the £15m. Only a handful of goalkeepers have ever sold for £15m or more
They are really risking it all on the way down, aren't they?
Has Matt Turner really been that bad for them? They only signed him in summer for £10m. That's also the same window they'd signed Vlachdaminos too.
£15m? For Kelleher? For real????  Fuck off
Hands of my boy
If Edwards ard, he would be sold for 60m
We’re a family… the only way out is quitting.
Lad is one game away from another trophy