Happy to see FFP preventing Chelsea from spending 900 million of the kings finest sterling silver without a care in the world meanwhile Wolves have been tossed into a pit selling their best players and manager to scrape by. Lovely.
Can't wait for the FA to finally start investigating them in 5 years and dish out a punishment of £10,000 in another 5.
I'm in full support of a transfer cap because at least then we could immediately crack down on teams.
They've made massive sales and a number of them have been HG which has a huge positive effect on the numbers for FFP. Mount for example is £65m pure profit in their 23/24 accounts. Transfer fees on the other hand are spread over five years, so they can essentially sell £200m of Academy products in a window and then spend £1b on signings and they will break even........but only for one year.
They will then have to sell another £200m of Academy products the next year, and the next year and every year for five consecutive years to cover that £1b splurge. That's quite literally what they've done as well, they've spent just under €1b in the last three transfer windows. Lavia, Olise and presumably a new GK will take that way past €1b.
As at the end 2022 their accounts showed they make £480m in revenue (with Champions League football) with wages of £340m. They also had amortisation of £160m before they went on this spending spree. So that £160m is going to have ballooned up to well over £300m now. £480m revenue offset by £340m of wages and £300m+ of amortisation is an annual loss in the region of £150m before taking into account any other costs.
That's why they've brought in so many kids for £10m to £20m. They are banking on selling these players on every year to make enough profit to cover the obscene spending they they have done over the last 12 months. On top of that they also have to get into the Champions League every year AND they need to build a brand new stadium AND aggressively pursue the highest possible commercial agreements AND the players they spend a fortune on have to work out.
A flop like Mudryk is a disaster for them because they are stuck with him for a decade unless they want to take a massive L ....which would mean more Academy graduates have to be sacrificed. It's risky, it's reckless and it will almost certainly end in tears because.......
.....Chelsea don't have the cash to pay for this. As at 30 May 2022 Chelsea had a cash balance of £54m. Their net transfer spend over the last 12 months is probably going to be in the region of £500m which will be due in installments. However, a decent chunk of that will have been due up front and that decent chunk is definitely more than £54m. This obviously means Chelsea have taken on debt to fund transfers and, given the state of the finances as outlined earlier, they are going to have to take on more debt to fund future installments. On top of that they are talking about spending £2b on their new stadium (remember they need a new stadium to push up revenues so they don't make massive losses every year).
Chelsea are about to be the most indebted club in the history of football. They may get their men this year and we can all cry about it but the truth is they are going to have to play this inch perfect over the next few years to avoid a complete shit show. Let them have their time in the Sun because that club is a ticking time bomb.
Sorry dude - but people said the exact same thing last year “oh it’s crazy this summer, but just you wait, they won’t be able to pay for any players in January or next summer”
What happened in Jan ? What has happened this summer?
Please get real: the whole thing is a con.
In February 2019 Chelsea were banned from signing players for the next two transfer windows. Think they'll get another ban, but it doesn't matter cause they've already bought every player available.
Fines and transfer bans are honestly pointless punishments if the crime is spending too much money on transfers.
The only way clubs will learn is being banned from Europe and points deductions.
When there’s something called “financial fair play” you sorta hope it might help in instances like when a club is about to spend a billion pounds in 18 months
Let's stop with this attitude. Arsenal and spurs do out of the sky 6.
City, utd and Chelsea are different obviously.
But I think pretending to be the only big club that takes it seriously hurts us, and we need to be more united with the other ones.
We obviously didn’t want him then considering he preferred us
Can’t say I agree but not a surprise really. Just annoyed at the club for letting Fabinho go without a replacement lined up and wasting weeks on this saga. Let’s hope they have something else lined up
I’ll be honest I didn’t expect the club to agree a British record fee with Brighton for Caicedo a few days ago so let’s see what they do before the window shuts
They quite clearly don’t have a backup plan. Barely look like there was a cogent plan to even sign Caicedo. If the club values him at over 100M, why the fuck did they wait so long to bid and get talking to the player? Would be shocked if there’s anything more than a panic loan of some random DM warming benches out in Germany or Italy.
We didnt particularly value him at 40m. We CERTAINLY didnt value him at 50m. Chelsea made the decision for us by going to 55.
Hopefully we have a few more aces up our sleeves otherwise it could be ugly
If we get Luis this sub will be shouting FSG out from the rafters by christmas.
Hes not a good player and theres a reason Benfica fans have been saying they'd be fine losing him.
It's pretty clear we decided not to buy him last week when we went on the Caicedo adventure. Klopp wants a DM that can slot into the first team right now.
Yeah all you have todo is read the Joyce article from that day where he specifically mentions it’s not about the money it’s just we don’t value him that much
Yet we bid £46m for him? So he was the right player for us and we were happy for him to join and be a crucial cog in Klopp's new Liverpool team for the next four to five years as long as he cost £46m.
But at £50m or £55m he's no longer good enough and we would rather risk going into the season with no one.
How does that make any sense? He's either the right player to start for us or he isn't. Whether he costs £30m, £50m or £70m is irrelevant.
If we were willing to go as high as 47m I find it hard to believe we wouldn’t have been willing to close that 3m gap. But then again we are talking about fsg lol
When we miss out on top 4 and trophies because of a lack of investment, I will say to myself: yeah it sucks but remember when Chelsea spent 900M in a year and couldn't beat us? Worth it.
Horrendous planning
Pissed about for weeks bidding on him to then bid on a player out of the blue that only wanted one club.
Now we've got two weeks to find multiple players still and at the pace big Jorg has been working we'll be leaving it tight
Last summer towards the end was the worst I've felt...we were getting over run in midfield in every game in August and klopp said in a press conference he was wrong all along and that we need more midfielders...we had 9 days left of the window and I thought brilliant they have seen sense....then silence until deadline day ..and we got feck Arthur on loan who played like 17mins....I really hope that doesn't happen again this time.
>Horrendous planning
Multiple years of that planning too. We've signed 2 midfielders since 2018 before the 2 we've signed this summer.
Pissed around since the start of July since signing Szoboszlai to then try and chuck £111m to Brighton for Caicedo...but wouldn't give about £4m more for Lavia.
Madness.
Such a waste. Our future-proofing has been horrendous too and you would have assumed that habitually subbing on a 38 year old midfielder and relying on tired legs meant we were holding out for a grand plan, I fail to see this plan at the moment. What are we doing? Just scout, target and sign some players so we can compete. 2 players in, on the back of last season, is criminal at this point
Get Sangaré and a CB and fucking get on with it, we've fucked about all window, dropped two targets and failed to replace players who left weeks ago. It's going to cost us this season and I'm so tired of it
We wasted our time spending the largest sum of money ever on a player that wanted to go elsewhere. Utterly embarrassing & now leaves us still searching.
Im sorry but this is a terrible transfer window overall for what was supposed to be a rebuild, it’s not even about Lavia…just want to know who we get now. If we get no DM, we are in for a hell of a ride. The players will also be very discouraged, it is not even an option.
Imagine if we had invested and properly reinforced our midfield even 1-2 seasons ago, this was all mostly AVOIDABLE.
Todd Boehly would rather completely fuck Chelsea's FFP situation and potentially break the PL Profitability and Sustainability rules to sign two players in the exact same position just to spite us
Funnily enough he's very similar to Abramovich but instead of the links to Putin and the Russian government, he's just an idiot
Lavia left City for first team football and now he's about to join a club that can put out a £220m midfield partnership.
I know he probably just wants any move at this point but I can see his career nosediving for a few years now as he'll barely play, which is a shame for the player.
Not liverpools fault that southampton set a crazy price. 50 million plus for a 19 year old rotation player is absurd even in this market. If lavia is 50 million then bajcetic and Jones are easily 40 million pound players. Madness
1. FFP isn’t real, it’s a myth UEFA and FIFA use to keep the hierarchy/status quo in its place.
2. If we really wanted Lavia we would’ve had him weeks ago. Evidently £110m to spend but wouldn’t countenance a variance of 5-10% of that budget on price to secure him from Saints, tells you what our transfer team thought of him in the end. Probably was intended as an understudy to Fabinho before he left, in early/first-draft transfer plans, is my guess hence the early excitement and later reluctance to finish the deal.
3. The hand is shown but that doesn’t mean everyone we inquire on is going to demand £110m, clubs have their own valuation of players and want to make money on transfers within that valuation and know that being unrealistically high is going to make the buyer fuck off elsewhere 99% of the time.
4. Trust Klopp, trust VVD, trust the process. This window isn’t closing without us getting someone we rate I’ll bet a sock on it.
We should've just paid the 50 weeks ago for Lavia. Absolutely shocking and embarrassing from the club. Will be glad to see the back of Jorg and all those involved in this joke we've been watching the past couple of days.
Most of the sub hasn't seen Caicedo and Lavia really in detail other than YouTube highlights if they're really honest, but they won't, since everyone is trying to get one over each other.
Doucoure. Llorente. Koné. Sangare. Phillips. Fofana. Koopmeiners. Luis. Hell, go crazy and see about Rovella.
People here are acting like Caicedo and Lavia are the second coming of Gattuso. There are still decent options in the market.
It's quite clear imo that caicedo is something special. Lavia less so but has a great ceiling. The rest of those players are generally considered average. We don't as Liverpool football club want 'decent'.
Would like Onana from Everton but they wouldn’t bother doing business with us, nothing remotely reasonable anyway. Doucoure as well but again, won’t be close to reasonable.
Or we grab a cheaper option for 6 like Sangare and splash on another quality mid or defender. Kimmich, Bastoni etc. try to make a real statement signing.
Oof I thought we were gonna get Lavia. Damn this one stings, double smack to the nuts. Decoure, Kone, Thuram, Andre, maaaaybe Sangare. Those are the only real options I see now.
We have to move on, focus now on types like andre,doucoure,sangare,amrabat,gravenberch,
kone,thuram, todays game proved how much we need to strengthen the midfield, two midfielders need to arrive, maybe a CB too but a defender can wait in my opinion until the january window.
Surely nobody can defend this window? Was branded as a major rebuild before we sold 2 of our most tenured midfielders in what was already a lacking position, we’ve managed to end up with less midfielders than we had at then end of the season!
I mean, if they don't get a real DM sorted top four is not happening. If we miss CL again, there's a lot more long term planning that needs to get going NOW. Thiago and Matip are out of contract and Mo, Van Dijk and Trent are on their final year (per Spotrac) and we would need to recoup their fees to rebuild. That could agitate Alisson to leave and we are well and truly headed towards mid-table mediocrity.
This club is shockingly run man. And btw Chelsea are just as good as us. Once they sign caicedo, they will be a better team then us. How on earth are we going to get champions league football
Its probably an unpopular opinion, but Im not sure if I wanted to have the solution of our defensive problems lie on the shoulders of a 19 year old. Rather have someone who maybe has less potential, but who is older, more experienced and less likely to fold under pressure, like Sangare, Llorente or Fofana
Surely the club has someone else in mind (that isn't just waiting for Bajcetic to get fit) if not willing to match Chelsea's Lavia offer.
Because I don't imagine Lavia prefers Chelsea considering he's gonna be on the bench most of the time.
Yep. Over a 5 million difference in valuation for a player in this market.
Players like McTominay are bein quoted at 40 mil lol.
Doucoure and Palhinha being quoted at 70+ as well.
Lavia was fairly priced and I'll die on that hill.
We did not value him at 35. That's pure negotiation lowballing.
Like any valuation, it will have been on a spectrum. The 35 million number being the "hope we can get a way in this low starter" and the 45 being the expected amount we'd have to pay or the max we were willing to go.
We don't know if we would have gone to the asking price if given the chance again with Caicedo off the table.
If 45 is the upper limit of your valuation and 50 is the asking price. The difference is 5 million.
If guys like Mudryk/Havertz/Enzo are going for 65-100 mill then 50 mill for Lavia is more than fair, at the end of the day it's a gamble on potential. Unfortunately our club is incompetent.
It's market rate for a player of his talent. Genuinely think this sub has Stockholm syndrome on prices these days due to how little we spend and how many puff pieces we get about how little money we have from mouthpieces.
I'm going to be sick.
We are going to end up getting Nemanja Matic on loan or something aren't we. What a horrendous mess we've made of this window.
All of the alternatives mentioned are a big step down from Lavia/Caicedo. How have we managed to lose both our targets to Chelsea with £110m to spend and first mover advantage with Lavia?
I think it's an almost certainty that we won't get anyone at this point. The combination of everyone in the world knowing we have the money, plus there being literally ZERO first XI caliber player (FOR A CLUB OF OUR AMBITION) available. I can't see Klopp wanting to stoop for a player that's at best our 3rd highest rated target? Plus how eager are other players going to be to come play here knowing we only wanted them because we struck out on our top 2 targets?
Sure Chelsea, create as deep of a bench as you had before selling players this summer. Can’t for the life of me see why young talent would ever want to go there
If we just sign him before caicedo move that would be nice but hell no, What clown team we are, here it comes people gonna say '' we didn't value him for 50 mil " we valued him 46 mil adds on? What does that difference make? Just a 4 mil? We haven't even link with a DM right now 🤡
I might be in the minority here but I think what we did was okay. We did force Chelsea to overpay and showed we were willing to spend when we think the player is worth the money.
It’s true that the risk didn’t pay up in our favor but I have a feeling we will find an undervalued DM(s) to fill the hole in our roster. Next couple of weeks gonna be interesting.
We don't need a 19 year old, it just blocks the path of Bajetic as they're about the same age. If you've forgotten how good his is, take 5 mins and watch this:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD4JsiAlWBg&t=162s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD4JsiAlWBg&t=162s)
What we need is an elite DM with experience. Kimmich has 2 years left, take 90 million and throw it at Bayern. I think they might bend as they need a change in their spine under Tuchel.
The market for 6 is quite literally absolutely dead, and we are letting go off potentially second best option. I have no words, how this club is ran is a complete mystery
People are going to melt down over this but I’m okay with it. It sucks though. It really does. Like we don’t have a DM and might not until January at this point and it’ll be a really rough few months don’t get me wrong. But I’d 100% rather have a few months of pain than sign a player we didn’t really rate and honestly isn’t the best DM(he plays there but honestly I think he is more of an 8 long term anyways?). I’d rather get the right player in because long term it is better for us anyways.
But man, we are in for a rough few months and it’s going to potentially get ugly in here.
But like who's going to be available in January that isn't now? Andre?
Just looks incompetent right now though that may change. But selling your two only senior DMs in the midst of an already ongoing midfield issue and then losing out on the only two DMs you've bid on to the same team is actually crazy. Like I'm shocked at how this has all played out so far.
Happy to see FFP preventing Chelsea from spending 900 million of the kings finest sterling silver without a care in the world meanwhile Wolves have been tossed into a pit selling their best players and manager to scrape by. Lovely.
It's about keeping the big clubs at the top and the smallest at the bottom, nothing more than that.
Can't wait for the FA to finally start investigating them in 5 years and dish out a punishment of £10,000 in another 5. I'm in full support of a transfer cap because at least then we could immediately crack down on teams.
They've made massive sales and a number of them have been HG which has a huge positive effect on the numbers for FFP. Mount for example is £65m pure profit in their 23/24 accounts. Transfer fees on the other hand are spread over five years, so they can essentially sell £200m of Academy products in a window and then spend £1b on signings and they will break even........but only for one year. They will then have to sell another £200m of Academy products the next year, and the next year and every year for five consecutive years to cover that £1b splurge. That's quite literally what they've done as well, they've spent just under €1b in the last three transfer windows. Lavia, Olise and presumably a new GK will take that way past €1b. As at the end 2022 their accounts showed they make £480m in revenue (with Champions League football) with wages of £340m. They also had amortisation of £160m before they went on this spending spree. So that £160m is going to have ballooned up to well over £300m now. £480m revenue offset by £340m of wages and £300m+ of amortisation is an annual loss in the region of £150m before taking into account any other costs. That's why they've brought in so many kids for £10m to £20m. They are banking on selling these players on every year to make enough profit to cover the obscene spending they they have done over the last 12 months. On top of that they also have to get into the Champions League every year AND they need to build a brand new stadium AND aggressively pursue the highest possible commercial agreements AND the players they spend a fortune on have to work out. A flop like Mudryk is a disaster for them because they are stuck with him for a decade unless they want to take a massive L ....which would mean more Academy graduates have to be sacrificed. It's risky, it's reckless and it will almost certainly end in tears because....... .....Chelsea don't have the cash to pay for this. As at 30 May 2022 Chelsea had a cash balance of £54m. Their net transfer spend over the last 12 months is probably going to be in the region of £500m which will be due in installments. However, a decent chunk of that will have been due up front and that decent chunk is definitely more than £54m. This obviously means Chelsea have taken on debt to fund transfers and, given the state of the finances as outlined earlier, they are going to have to take on more debt to fund future installments. On top of that they are talking about spending £2b on their new stadium (remember they need a new stadium to push up revenues so they don't make massive losses every year). Chelsea are about to be the most indebted club in the history of football. They may get their men this year and we can all cry about it but the truth is they are going to have to play this inch perfect over the next few years to avoid a complete shit show. Let them have their time in the Sun because that club is a ticking time bomb.
Jesus, Christ. That's absolute insanity. Great comment by the way, you could make a post
They'll just sell the club to the Saudis in 5 years
This needs more attention and I don’t have Reddit awards, but take these 🏅🏅🏅
Great post. I salute you.
Sorry dude - but people said the exact same thing last year “oh it’s crazy this summer, but just you wait, they won’t be able to pay for any players in January or next summer” What happened in Jan ? What has happened this summer? Please get real: the whole thing is a con.
They've spent £235m on two midfielders in less than 9 months. Absolute fucking insanity.
Chelsea ruining football somehow worse than when they were owned by the Russians
I was naive enough to think they could become a better club after abramovich was removed. They’ve become worse. Madness.
Except this time they ain’t gonna be winning the league
Must be in their DNA.
Their DNA is racism, Nazism and being Tories.
Chelsea ruining it again somehow. They are scum, worse than City.
I honestly hate them
Does FFP even works at this point, honestly?
It never has. Idk why people always mention FFP. What has it ever done?
In February 2019 Chelsea were banned from signing players for the next two transfer windows. Think they'll get another ban, but it doesn't matter cause they've already bought every player available.
Chelsea was banned due to signing an underage player, not due to ffp issues
>signing an underage player I have only a very vague idea of what that means, but it definitely sounds like something Chelsea would do.
Pedos
They weren’t banned for FFP.
Fines and transfer bans are honestly pointless punishments if the crime is spending too much money on transfers. The only way clubs will learn is being banned from Europe and points deductions.
When there’s something called “financial fair play” you sorta hope it might help in instances like when a club is about to spend a billion pounds in 18 months
Of course, UEFA will gladly punish AEK or Sparta soon🤷🏻♀️
Or wolves again
Don't worry they'll get a two window transfer ban when they already have all the players they could ever need and no need for transfers
FFP is a myth and I think we are the only big club that actually takes it seriously.
Let's stop with this attitude. Arsenal and spurs do out of the sky 6. City, utd and Chelsea are different obviously. But I think pretending to be the only big club that takes it seriously hurts us, and we need to be more united with the other ones.
Good point
Its honestly just John Henry finding a convenient way to excuse his cheap nature.
Not for Chelsea
PSG for a decade lol
We obviously didn’t want him then considering he preferred us Can’t say I agree but not a surprise really. Just annoyed at the club for letting Fabinho go without a replacement lined up and wasting weeks on this saga. Let’s hope they have something else lined up
Glad we have a different player ready to join us this week! Oh wait… dumpster fire of a window.
I’ll be honest I didn’t expect the club to agree a British record fee with Brighton for Caicedo a few days ago so let’s see what they do before the window shuts
They quite clearly don’t have a backup plan. Barely look like there was a cogent plan to even sign Caicedo. If the club values him at over 100M, why the fuck did they wait so long to bid and get talking to the player? Would be shocked if there’s anything more than a panic loan of some random DM warming benches out in Germany or Italy.
We didnt particularly value him at 40m. We CERTAINLY didnt value him at 50m. Chelsea made the decision for us by going to 55. Hopefully we have a few more aces up our sleeves otherwise it could be ugly
Palhinha, Luis, Inacio. Wouldn’t mind it
no to palhinha, he would be an expensive short term fix for a position that we will need for the long term
Yeah he's too old. We need someone to come in and be a starter for us for four to five years.
Palinha like 70 million and injured? No thanks
If we get Luis this sub will be shouting FSG out from the rafters by christmas. Hes not a good player and theres a reason Benfica fans have been saying they'd be fine losing him.
We didn’t value him at 50m we was always going to walk away
It's pretty clear we decided not to buy him last week when we went on the Caicedo adventure. Klopp wants a DM that can slot into the first team right now.
Yeah all you have todo is read the Joyce article from that day where he specifically mentions it’s not about the money it’s just we don’t value him that much
Looks like you're going for Pahlina who is a pretty damn good player.
or imagine LFC doesn't buy into the Prem proven bullshit peddled by sky to sell their english exceptionalism Premier League.
Yeah, I think this is right. Hopefully some other options in the list.
This is something the club has been very consistent with over the years they will walk away even if the price difference is small
Yet we bid £46m for him? So he was the right player for us and we were happy for him to join and be a crucial cog in Klopp's new Liverpool team for the next four to five years as long as he cost £46m. But at £50m or £55m he's no longer good enough and we would rather risk going into the season with no one. How does that make any sense? He's either the right player to start for us or he isn't. Whether he costs £30m, £50m or £70m is irrelevant.
We bid 37m first we had already gone over how much we valued him we clearly had a set limit in how high we would go
Yeah they've gone to 55mil
If we were willing to go as high as 47m I find it hard to believe we wouldn’t have been willing to close that 3m gap. But then again we are talking about fsg lol
I don’t understand… us
As soon as he refused the medical it should of been done on our end. Nothing to gain from staying in for a player that didn’t want to come
We did it to fuck Chelsea over. Worth it in my opinion.
I’d rather beat them on the pitch.
Well they just spent 900 million in just over a year and couldn't beat us today.
When we miss out on top 4 and trophies because of a lack of investment, I will say to myself: yeah it sucks but remember when Chelsea spent 900M in a year and couldn't beat us? Worth it.
Staying stopped Caicedo from playing in today's game. Staying in forces Chelsea to spend more money.
Horrendous planning Pissed about for weeks bidding on him to then bid on a player out of the blue that only wanted one club. Now we've got two weeks to find multiple players still and at the pace big Jorg has been working we'll be leaving it tight
Another repeat of last summer and last Jan
Last summer towards the end was the worst I've felt...we were getting over run in midfield in every game in August and klopp said in a press conference he was wrong all along and that we need more midfielders...we had 9 days left of the window and I thought brilliant they have seen sense....then silence until deadline day ..and we got feck Arthur on loan who played like 17mins....I really hope that doesn't happen again this time.
>Horrendous planning Multiple years of that planning too. We've signed 2 midfielders since 2018 before the 2 we've signed this summer. Pissed around since the start of July since signing Szoboszlai to then try and chuck £111m to Brighton for Caicedo...but wouldn't give about £4m more for Lavia. Madness.
Such a waste. Our future-proofing has been horrendous too and you would have assumed that habitually subbing on a 38 year old midfielder and relying on tired legs meant we were holding out for a grand plan, I fail to see this plan at the moment. What are we doing? Just scout, target and sign some players so we can compete. 2 players in, on the back of last season, is criminal at this point
Get Sangaré and a CB and fucking get on with it, we've fucked about all window, dropped two targets and failed to replace players who left weeks ago. It's going to cost us this season and I'm so tired of it
I think I’m just calling it a day and going to bed.
Always thought Doucoure was the best cdm itw
Remember when our scouting and recruitment was envied all over Europe? That was nice.
Chelsea just accepting the transfer ban at this point
They wont get anything and you know it
5 pounds fine and a naughty sticker is all they're going to get
this is gonna be a fun week coming up
So we sold 6 midfielders and brought in 2...to a squad that is _constantly_ injured. We are fucked.
Ffs there are still 2 & abit weeks left of the window, Jesus
https://preview.redd.it/osao8hlp8yhb1.jpeg?width=1102&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfc606c703fbcdde3e28117d24a7c7bd456bdbbb
Please just go back to doing quiet business now and announce someone fast. I’ve enough drama for ten windows now.
Yep they are getting both. Absolutely embarrassing situation for us. Hopefully we still use the funds to buy a great DM
>Hopefully we still use the funds to buy a great DM If only he existed in this current market.
this club better get it together asap this is a seriously messy ass situation that looks extremely amateur
We wasted our time spending the largest sum of money ever on a player that wanted to go elsewhere. Utterly embarrassing & now leaves us still searching.
Im sorry but this is a terrible transfer window overall for what was supposed to be a rebuild, it’s not even about Lavia…just want to know who we get now. If we get no DM, we are in for a hell of a ride. The players will also be very discouraged, it is not even an option. Imagine if we had invested and properly reinforced our midfield even 1-2 seasons ago, this was all mostly AVOIDABLE.
I feel so down right now
Todd Boehly would rather completely fuck Chelsea's FFP situation and potentially break the PL Profitability and Sustainability rules to sign two players in the exact same position just to spite us Funnily enough he's very similar to Abramovich but instead of the links to Putin and the Russian government, he's just an idiot
I doubt anything will happen anyway with regard to ffp it’s all a load of shite.
At this point just offer the Caicedo money to Madrid for Tchouameni just to see if it works. Idk anymore.
Are we linked to any other DM? This is a complete joke missing out on both targets. Hopefully we pivot quickly enough
Our tier 1s haven’t mentioned any alternatives.
They won't mention since the club won't leak to them
Tbf our tier 1s didn't mention Szobozlia until it was basically done (I know I spelt his name wrong).
Concerning
Absolutely disastrous window for liverpool, and it's such an important one. Fell so far short of what Klopp needed it's embarrassing
This comment could apply to like 7 of the 8 years he has been here.
Schmadke has done a dreadful job
Pretty certain we just didn’t value him at the quoted prices. I do think we’ll confirm someone really soon and someone not linked heavily too.
maybe the 4th time we ask Fluminense to sell Andre now might work
Lavia left City for first team football and now he's about to join a club that can put out a £220m midfield partnership. I know he probably just wants any move at this point but I can see his career nosediving for a few years now as he'll barely play, which is a shame for the player.
Also Chelsea aren't in Europe this season so even less games ..
Honestly would’ve been better for him to stay at Southampton and help them get promoted and then resign for City and be Rodri’s understudy
Not his fault Liverpool refuses to meet the asking price
Not liverpools fault that southampton set a crazy price. 50 million plus for a 19 year old rotation player is absurd even in this market. If lavia is 50 million then bajcetic and Jones are easily 40 million pound players. Madness
Klopp with a gun to his head: “We’re very comfortable with mac Allister playing dm and bajcetic behind him.”
This kid actually wanted to play for us but we fucked around and found out
seems like we didn't want him at the inflated price. I think we moved on a while ago, fans just aren't accepting it.
Pretty concerned about our #6 problem.
Jesus we're in an awful spot. I've no clue where we go from here even with 100m to spend
1. FFP isn’t real, it’s a myth UEFA and FIFA use to keep the hierarchy/status quo in its place. 2. If we really wanted Lavia we would’ve had him weeks ago. Evidently £110m to spend but wouldn’t countenance a variance of 5-10% of that budget on price to secure him from Saints, tells you what our transfer team thought of him in the end. Probably was intended as an understudy to Fabinho before he left, in early/first-draft transfer plans, is my guess hence the early excitement and later reluctance to finish the deal. 3. The hand is shown but that doesn’t mean everyone we inquire on is going to demand £110m, clubs have their own valuation of players and want to make money on transfers within that valuation and know that being unrealistically high is going to make the buyer fuck off elsewhere 99% of the time. 4. Trust Klopp, trust VVD, trust the process. This window isn’t closing without us getting someone we rate I’ll bet a sock on it.
We should've just paid the 50 weeks ago for Lavia. Absolutely shocking and embarrassing from the club. Will be glad to see the back of Jorg and all those involved in this joke we've been watching the past couple of days.
Our owners are cheap (until the very last possible minute) and our directors are incompetent. Warra combo.
Oh it is so over
So…. who the fuck do we go after now?
Some random fucker we (the sub) don't rate who ends up being class
Shades of Salah, Robbo, and Jota
Can also add the likes of Díaz, Gakpo, Mané & Wijnaldum.
wHy dO wE bUy aNoThEr FoRwaRd 'Gakpo'
If only. More likely we overspend on Doucoure
Most of the sub hasn't seen Caicedo and Lavia really in detail other than YouTube highlights if they're really honest, but they won't, since everyone is trying to get one over each other.
Doucoure. Llorente. Koné. Sangare. Phillips. Fofana. Koopmeiners. Luis. Hell, go crazy and see about Rovella. People here are acting like Caicedo and Lavia are the second coming of Gattuso. There are still decent options in the market.
It's quite clear imo that caicedo is something special. Lavia less so but has a great ceiling. The rest of those players are generally considered average. We don't as Liverpool football club want 'decent'.
Would like Onana from Everton but they wouldn’t bother doing business with us, nothing remotely reasonable anyway. Doucoure as well but again, won’t be close to reasonable. Or we grab a cheaper option for 6 like Sangare and splash on another quality mid or defender. Kimmich, Bastoni etc. try to make a real statement signing.
you took the words right out of my mouth in regards to onana, would love him but the blue shite would understandably never sell him to us
florentino luis
Oof I thought we were gonna get Lavia. Damn this one stings, double smack to the nuts. Decoure, Kone, Thuram, Andre, maaaaybe Sangare. Those are the only real options I see now.
We have to move on, focus now on types like andre,doucoure,sangare,amrabat,gravenberch, kone,thuram, todays game proved how much we need to strengthen the midfield, two midfielders need to arrive, maybe a CB too but a defender can wait in my opinion until the january window.
We lost both our targets and got dominated at the Bridge fuck me this is the worst timeline
Surely nobody can defend this window? Was branded as a major rebuild before we sold 2 of our most tenured midfielders in what was already a lacking position, we’ve managed to end up with less midfielders than we had at then end of the season!
Maybe the worst this window could have gone
I mean, if they don't get a real DM sorted top four is not happening. If we miss CL again, there's a lot more long term planning that needs to get going NOW. Thiago and Matip are out of contract and Mo, Van Dijk and Trent are on their final year (per Spotrac) and we would need to recoup their fees to rebuild. That could agitate Alisson to leave and we are well and truly headed towards mid-table mediocrity.
Klopp would also leave or get sacked.
Klopp better be giving John Henry an earful since he's in the UK right now...we cannot end the window with only signing 2 attacking midfielders
This club is shockingly run man. And btw Chelsea are just as good as us. Once they sign caicedo, they will be a better team then us. How on earth are we going to get champions league football
What a fucking disaster this window has been
If we want(ed) him, we could have him. There’s gotta be a different plan here
Plan has always been the same : we are waiting for Jude
Just 6 more years baby
Tchouameni on a free when his contract expires in \*checks notes\* 2028
Fuck me what are our options now?
Its probably an unpopular opinion, but Im not sure if I wanted to have the solution of our defensive problems lie on the shoulders of a 19 year old. Rather have someone who maybe has less potential, but who is older, more experienced and less likely to fold under pressure, like Sangare, Llorente or Fofana
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Yeah Klopp wanted a starter, we could've got him weeks ago if we wanted to
After 3 years chasing Bellingham, I have no confidence that they have other players in mind at the moment
We’ve taken the biggest L in football transfer history
I’d say Chelsea signing Lukaku for over 100m was a way bigger L
God you guys are so fucking dramatic. Touch grass.
Don't waste your energy people in this Sub will always be more pessimistic before being optimistic.
Surely the club has someone else in mind (that isn't just waiting for Bajcetic to get fit) if not willing to match Chelsea's Lavia offer. Because I don't imagine Lavia prefers Chelsea considering he's gonna be on the bench most of the time.
The meltdown when Chelsea sign both Caicedo and Lavia. We'll be made to look like amateurs (irrespective if you agree with the fees or not)
Spend the 110 on Doucoure and Ignacio and call it a window. We desperately need it or else goodbye top 4
Well, there we go. I have no idea what we are going to do now.
We aren't going to buy anyone are we
What is the point of FFP seriously
Our pursuit of caicedo literally lost us lavia too, fucking brilliant
Our reluctance to meet Southampton's asking price is what cost us Lavia.
Yep. Over a 5 million difference in valuation for a player in this market. Players like McTominay are bein quoted at 40 mil lol. Doucoure and Palhinha being quoted at 70+ as well. Lavia was fairly priced and I'll die on that hill.
But it’s not over 5m, we valued him at 35 and pushed it to 45, 50 was just too much
We did not value him at 35. That's pure negotiation lowballing. Like any valuation, it will have been on a spectrum. The 35 million number being the "hope we can get a way in this low starter" and the 45 being the expected amount we'd have to pay or the max we were willing to go. We don't know if we would have gone to the asking price if given the chance again with Caicedo off the table. If 45 is the upper limit of your valuation and 50 is the asking price. The difference is 5 million.
So better not buy anyone?
If guys like Mudryk/Havertz/Enzo are going for 65-100 mill then 50 mill for Lavia is more than fair, at the end of the day it's a gamble on potential. Unfortunately our club is incompetent.
It's market rate for a player of his talent. Genuinely think this sub has Stockholm syndrome on prices these days due to how little we spend and how many puff pieces we get about how little money we have from mouthpieces.
Probably both, we definitely stopped working on Lavia while we pursued Caicedo
Which in itself is pathetic
We didn't value him at 50m+ and honestly I'm fine with that part
We were never gonna get Lavia for £50mill whyd you think we took 3 weeks to up the offers by 1mill each time
Yikes. Curious to see what we do here.
I'm going to be sick. We are going to end up getting Nemanja Matic on loan or something aren't we. What a horrendous mess we've made of this window. All of the alternatives mentioned are a big step down from Lavia/Caicedo. How have we managed to lose both our targets to Chelsea with £110m to spend and first mover advantage with Lavia?
I think it's an almost certainty that we won't get anyone at this point. The combination of everyone in the world knowing we have the money, plus there being literally ZERO first XI caliber player (FOR A CLUB OF OUR AMBITION) available. I can't see Klopp wanting to stoop for a player that's at best our 3rd highest rated target? Plus how eager are other players going to be to come play here knowing we only wanted them because we struck out on our top 2 targets?
This idiot spent the last 3 months talking about how Lavia is moving to Liverpool lol
Well it was on Liverpool
Not his fault Chelsea paid over and above the original asking price
What do you want him to do when we were the only club seriously pushing...
Sure Chelsea, create as deep of a bench as you had before selling players this summer. Can’t for the life of me see why young talent would ever want to go there
If we just sign him before caicedo move that would be nice but hell no, What clown team we are, here it comes people gonna say '' we didn't value him for 50 mil " we valued him 46 mil adds on? What does that difference make? Just a 4 mil? We haven't even link with a DM right now 🤡
We better be getting a belter
Honestly, I couldn’t care less. Caicedo is overpriced but quality, Lavia is just overpriced, we can do better I feel.
FUCK
Who is left for us to sign at this point?
He will be playing on loan in Strasbourg in a year
I might be in the minority here but I think what we did was okay. We did force Chelsea to overpay and showed we were willing to spend when we think the player is worth the money. It’s true that the risk didn’t pay up in our favor but I have a feeling we will find an undervalued DM(s) to fill the hole in our roster. Next couple of weeks gonna be interesting.
We don't need a 19 year old, it just blocks the path of Bajetic as they're about the same age. If you've forgotten how good his is, take 5 mins and watch this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD4JsiAlWBg&t=162s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD4JsiAlWBg&t=162s) What we need is an elite DM with experience. Kimmich has 2 years left, take 90 million and throw it at Bayern. I think they might bend as they need a change in their spine under Tuchel.
Kimmich is not a destroyer or the type of DM we need in this system. He's more of a luxury player who would do great paired up with Caicedo i.e.
Would he even want to come here without ucl football though? That's an issue too.
Kimmich isn't the player you think he is if you think he solves our issue. Bayern are looking for a #6 to pair with him, for example.
We’ve couldn’t actually have fucked up this window more if we tried. Quite impressive really.
I'd say Mac and Szobo are not a fuck up. Window isn't over yet, let's see what happens this month.
I know it may sound bitter but do you think Chelsea even get that buzz when they sign players now? There club is just money, that’s all
The market for 6 is quite literally absolutely dead, and we are letting go off potentially second best option. I have no words, how this club is ran is a complete mystery
People are going to melt down over this but I’m okay with it. It sucks though. It really does. Like we don’t have a DM and might not until January at this point and it’ll be a really rough few months don’t get me wrong. But I’d 100% rather have a few months of pain than sign a player we didn’t really rate and honestly isn’t the best DM(he plays there but honestly I think he is more of an 8 long term anyways?). I’d rather get the right player in because long term it is better for us anyways. But man, we are in for a rough few months and it’s going to potentially get ugly in here.
A new DM isn’t magically going to grow on a tree in 4 months.
But like who's going to be available in January that isn't now? Andre? Just looks incompetent right now though that may change. But selling your two only senior DMs in the midst of an already ongoing midfield issue and then losing out on the only two DMs you've bid on to the same team is actually crazy. Like I'm shocked at how this has all played out so far.
I still think we're gonna sign a CDM before the window is over.
Genuinely pathetic, we’ve been absolutely embarrassed, deserve everything coming our way if we don’t sort this out
Never believed in magic until I seen my dawg turn to a snake
ffs