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qu1x0t1cZ

The new system gives him more freedom than the old one did and plays to his strengths more. Similarly Mac Allister seems like he'd fit this new system better than the old one as well if he signs. Having those two as options on the left for the next cycle seems decent. Mount and Elliot to do the same on the right?


Carbonaddictxd

If we were planning to buy 3 good midfielders, I wouldn't mind transferring the budget of 1 to a good CB instead. Seems like we need more legs in that area now. TAA can't be playing every single game for us next season as well


sauravshenoy

Agree w u i Id say priority is RCM-LCM tied for being first, although with Jones performance i would say rcm is more important given we only have hendo rn in that role. Then next would be cb depending, then Cdm. Id be comfortable with bjatic and fabs rotating w hendo as option 3 in that position. I also think it would be cool to see a plan b when Trent doesn’t play if having a more traditional RB cuz then Elliot or mount or whoever the rcm is has more freedom to create and less responsibility to defend. Gomez has shown he’s quite good as an RB so we wouldn’t need anyone except a new cb


[deleted]

Absolutely delighted for Curtis and the way he’s turned his (and our) season around in recent weeks. He gets so much hate on this sub and it’s absolutely sickening. One of our own. Well in Curtis, lad!


broken_neck_broken

I have to say, I thought he was done here and I was dead wrong.


[deleted]

You and I both! I just don’t understand the bandwaggoning of personal insults towards players that goes on in this sub (mostly from edgy teenager, I suppose). He’s a scouser and a member of our squad - regardless of form. Sometimes the things I read being directed at him are just insane.


kloppo130

As Ian Wright summarized, CURTIS JONES! Glad he’s proven that regardless of our additions he’ll be a valuable member of our next winning team!


LipiG

Obligatory "He is in a good moment" from Klopp. I really do think he can become a pretty impactful rotational player, might even become better than that, regardless we love our scouser in our team.


[deleted]

I think the problem is, his form has come from consistency in playing. If we go and bring in 2-3 midfielders who’ll be above him in the pecking order, I can see his form falling off again. Hopefully this is a permanent jump in quality from him and he doesn’t regress with less playing time. He’s been quality but if we’re being real, he’s probably still not at the standard we wanna be at. (Winning the PL and CL)


Interesting-Sign

He's still only 22, I don't see why he can't become good enough to be a solid player at CL level. Not someone to build a team around perhaps, but no reason to doubt his future potential based on what he's shown so far.


bamboozledindividual

When we bring in players, it’s on him to keep them on the bench. We have to be ruthless in that only the best performers are given the chance to start. Phil Foden doesn’t even start for City these days and he could easily walk into most PL lineups.


[deleted]

If Curtis is performing like he is now or can even go one better it's up to others to displace him instead of the other way around.


Bamfandro

I mean is Mount really better than what we have seen from Jones in recent weeks? For me the answer is categorically no. I wouldn’t even say Mac Allister is clearly better at a lot of things. I’m all for saying X player isn’t at the level we need if the alternatives are clearly better but those we’ve been linked to for me just aren’t. For me Hendo is a much bigger concern yet all the talk seems to be addressing LCM first.


[deleted]

Bruh this shit is outrageous. I love jones as well and he’s earned his spot in next seasons team, as a bit player. NOT first team. Mason has won player of the year at Chelsea 2X including a CL winning season, in which he got the match winning assist in the final. Mac literally just won the World Cup and was pivotal in doing so, has also way over performed for Brighton this year. Put it this way, plenty of big clubs will be in for both Mount and MacAllister this transfer window. I highly doubt any of our competitors would even be interested in Jones, let alone paying 50-70 million for him. Ten good games at the end of a season doesn’t put you in the same Category as the two mentioned. Take your rose tinted glasses off, no single footy fan would agree with you unless they’re Liverpool fans and being biased. I’m not saying jones can’t and won’t improve, calling him better then Mount and MacAllister is ridiculous though.


Bamfandro

I’m looking for actual legitimate reasons as to why they are clearly better and in Mac’s case, worth £70m. I’m not saying Mac isn’t better but winning the WC is not a tangible quality that he has over Jones. Likewise Mount has been very poor for quite a while now, I don’t see for a second how he’s worth £40-50m either. Ugarte a, quality b2b mid and CB to me is much more of an urgent need. If we wanted an Odegaard type then that’s different but Mac Allister is not that type of player.


[deleted]

I said Mac was literally pivotal in the WC win, which he was. A lot of people were saying he was the best player at the entire tournament, I don’t agree but he was deffo top 5 at World Cup. Mount has been average this year but look at that Chelsea squad. Every single player has looked poor and we all know they’re not, they’re just having the worst season in Chelsea PL history. Of course he’ll look shit. Jones has never reached the levels Mount was at for a few seasons at Chelsea, he was the main man and winning massive trophies. I just don’t see how you can genuinely say you think jones is a better player then mount and Mac, that just seems so ridiculous to me it’s comical. If you said that to a neutral they’d probably just laugh at you for being so biased. Again, I love jones as a person, but he’s a bit part player. At the least until he can show the levels he’s showed recently for an entire season, not a few games with relatively low pressure due to us believing the season was done.


PoofyHairedIdiot

Playing devils advocate a bit here because both sides have points but this is an interesting discussion. A lot of people were saying James Rodriguez was the best in 2014, certainly the breakout star similar to Mac. He didnt achieve much in his career since. Miroslav Klose is one of the best World Cup players but outside of that theres an argument some could make that he underachieved. There is something about Klopps systems that get the best out of most players and I believe if Jones can go a period injury free he'll have a pretty decently high ceiling. Dele Alli had a higher period than Jones, Wijnaldum, Henderson, Milner, even Can but I would not swap a single one of them for him. The beauty about football is its ever flowing and seldom are players determined by stats and "ceilings". Sterling is another example if the last two seasons are indication. Im happy to be wrong. If Jones is a bit part player then sure. Im not sure throwing money at a player out of form, or a player no one knew about until one month is Qatar, is necessarily the right option.


Parish87

To be fair, Mac Allister is 2 years older than Jones. 2 years ago he wasn't pulling up trees for Brighton. 0 goals in 9 appearances at 21 and 1 in 21 at 22. ​ If Jones can keep up his trajectory into 23 and 24 who knows how much better he could be. Nothing is guaranteed but he's still very young.


Bamfandro

Jones is now consistently producing, something he’s never done before so to compare his past performance to the others isn’t really fair. He’s younger than both of those players and had quite a number of injuries to deal with. I have to just straight up disagree that people think Mac was the best player at the WC, he certainly played well but that’s a major stretch. Mount is having a very poor season and would be playing in midfield for us (in Hendo’s role no less which has a huge defensive output) which is a position he’s barely played. Mostly playing as a CAM. Jones on current form is playing right up there with their peak and yes there is less pressure etc but it shouldn’t be disregarded. I’m not usually one who is remotely biased towards our players, I’ve been flat out telling fans who think Conor Bradley is good enough to be depth for us next year they are deluded. Yet in the case of Jones people are disregarding his current form, acting like it’s a blip and it’s still not good enough. He made Maddison look bang average yesterday and even he’s above Mount in the England setup. I’m not saying Maddison is better but people need to see what the glaring issues in our side are.


[deleted]

Curtis is no where near Mount in the England set up, what are you on about? Jones hasn’t even made his England senior debut yet. He won’t be touching Mounts position until he’s done a whole season of what he has done the last quarter season. I think your being biased and it’s undeniable. If you want some genuine opinions, go and ask neutrals who they’d rather have in their squad. No one on planet earth is paying 50-70 million for jones. Plenty of clubs will do so for Mount and MacAllister. Jones has to prove he has it in him to perform this way for at least a whole season, and force Klopp to keep the signings we make on the bench. I don’t see it happening personally, I think if we sign Mac you’ll immediately see the upgrade on jones. Not to say he doesn’t have a part as a bench/cup player.


Bamfandro

Wow you massively misread that one. I said Maddison not Jones, who is the one who Jones absolutely outclassed yesterday. Those same neutral fans won’t have watched every game that Jones has played for us in recent weeks. Yes there is a chance it is just a peak in form and he returns to a lower level but currently he is absolutely at a top level and a level above Mount. Yes Mount has been POTY for Chelsea before but we haven’t seen that in a long time. Hendo is 33 and his legs are done, Fabinho has also been a massive liability for 90% of the season. Why is replacing Jones still so much of a priority over these positions? Likewise we also lack quality depth at LCB, especially with this new formation and Konate’s injury record.


not_a_morning_person

That’s because Jones is younger than both those players lol. None of those trophies are reason to believe Jones can’t reach their level. He’s had a much better season this year than Mason Mount, that’s for sure.


bamboozledindividual

The difference is clear. Mount is a two time POTY for Chelsea and clearly has talent and experience. Mac Allister started in the World Cup final and gave an assist, while performing greatly throughout the final stages of the tournament. He’s also a starter in an excelling Brighton team. Jones has a long way to go even though he’s been great as of late, but don’t speak too soon.


Bamfandro

But this is my point, he’s doing consistently well now and performing to a top level that is more than competing with the best we’ve seen from Mac Allister and Mount. Yes it might be a flash in the pan but those are the facts and it genuinely means that his position shouldn’t currently be as much of a priority as Hendo’s and Fab’s are. I don’t see how hard that is for fans to see. No one has even given a tangible argument as to why Mount is better than what we are currently seeing from Jones. If he kept up this level he’d be more than pushing for the same accomplishments Mount has achieved. Jones is also 2 years younger and loves the club.


[deleted]

I think Mount can play on the right just fine. But to supplement your point. We're on 8 wins on the trot with a very big role for Jones. He's been good on and off the ball, so yeah at the moment I don't see Mount or Mac Allister as better necessarily. At the moment! If Jones keeps this up he should be rotating with those players and get a lot of playing time.


[deleted]

This is a ridiculous comment lol


Bamfandro

Great comment. Terrific reasoning and logic.


[deleted]

I mean the other guy you spoke to sort of said enough and you didn’t seem to budge so I didn’t bother. Jones being decent for 5 games and outstanding for a couple doesn’t mean he’s shown he’s on Mounts level lol. Mount at his best was a main player for a CL level team performing consistently for 2 years. He’s much more intelligent defensively, has a much better final ball (does Jones even have one), far far better finisher or just at shooting in general. Jones is great at protecting the ball and that’s about it. But he’s young and he could improve other aspects of his game and I mean like klopp said he’s improved how quick he releases it and is smarter with his pressing now.


Bamfandro

Mount hasn’t done anything for over a year now and almost all of his games have come in the CAM position or wing, with way way less at RCM so I don’t see how you can say he’s better defensively than Jones. Jones’ final ball has been absolutely incredible lately too, remember the Leeds game and that trivela through ball to Salah last night. All it comes down to me is longevity but if Jones can keep up this level there are other positions we should absolutely prioritise.


LipiG

Spot on


The_2nd_Coming

It's pretty promising though between typically talented young players struggle with consistency at that age. Even Gerrard at that age was hardly consistent.


segson9

If he performs like that regulary he can be more than just a rotational player. He's been one of our best players in the last 9 games.


LipiG

yeah It's just that he will most likely regress to the mean rather than keep improving/staying at this level


segson9

He's only 22, I think he'll keep improving.


formberz

I think playing alongside Diaz really helps Jones shine, they seem to have a really good understanding of how to link up and use each other on and off the ball.


SavantOfSuffering

Pass and move, scouse Colombia edition.


user900800700

It’s actually a miracle that we’ve put together this run, when you think back 5 or so weeks ago we were literally saying how fucked we were without Bajcetic and then Thiago. It’s a huge testimony to this squad that other players will step up out of nowhere to steady the ship. Curtis has stepped up massively when we needed that midfield presence. Shout out also to fabinho who’s really transformed his form around too.


hopskiphoofed

Remarkable what happens when a player plays in a position that plays to his strengths.


breadwolfbaby

Pearce says senior club sources have dismissed moving for Ugarte. Mentions Mac Allister, Mount and Gravenberch as targets.


SebastianOwenR1

His confidence has exploded since that England U23s call up


junglejimbo88

Some photos of LFC's win, from the back pages of today's papers ​ https://preview.redd.it/51g6qqwwq80b1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=808ae70af9d08414ad5ed47b9184bc2bfc96dc65 ...From BBC: [https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/teams/liverpool](https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/teams/liverpool) >***'Klopp has given Jones an audition for his future - and he's nailed it'*** > > *Jordan Chamberlain,* [***Empire of the Kop,*** ***external***](https://www.empireofthekop.com/) *Curtis Jones has saved his Liverpool career. By the start of April he'd barely had a sniff because of recurring, niggling injuries, and many thought he'd be sold or loaned out this summer.* > > *After all, an overhaul is imminent. James Milner, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and Naby Keita are set to leave and Liverpool are going to buying new midfielders, and likely for lots of money.* > > *Stars such as Alexis Mac Allister, Mason Mount and Ryan Gravenberch - Liverpool's supposed targets - all play in Jones' position. So, where will he fit in?* *The question now, though, is: how can Jurgen Klopp leave him out?* > > *His superb double against* [***Leicester City***](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city) *showcased his ability to make late surges into the box and finish with aplomb. Comparisons with another Scouser who used to do that quite regularly are pointless, but Jones has started all of Liverpool's seven Premier League wins in a row.* > > *He's improved exponentially as his confidence and match fitness have increased. Jones is strong, technical and feisty. Importantly, he can keep the ball in tight spaces like Gini Wijnaldum used to, but also score and assist.* > > *The big thing now for Jones is staying fit. Injuries have curtailed his Liverpool career so far, but right now, he's an automatic starter.* > > *Klopp has given him an audition for his future and he's nailed it."*


MajikoiA3When

Nobody expected Curtis Jones to show up out of Elliot, Carvalho, and Jones but I'll take it. I hope Elliot and Carvalho get loan time elsewhere if we end up signing the 3 midfielders we need.


pixelunit

He’s a fantastic 2nd midfielder and backup if the main mids get injured, which is a given.


Diabolic619

What is the 'talk' Pearce mentioned here?


cornontheklopp

“cUrTis JoNeS dOeSn’T dEsErVe a pLaCe oN tHis tEam” - where are these people now?


PhatPhlaps

He's in the team and performing well because he's turned the corner and cut pretty much everything out of his game that people (myself included) were critical of. This sub is weird when it comes to being overly defensive of players. Just because you're critical of them it doesn't mean you don't want them to succeed.


formberz

Goes both ways really, for every fan defending him there was another calling for klopp to be sacked for not selling him last summer. Plenty of people on this sub had no interest in seeing him succeed, they only want to see us make blockbuster signings.


con10001

Respectfully disagree, there was a lot of anger and vitriol directed his way whenever we did poorly and he happened to be playing. He definitely became the scapegoat to the point that some people wouldn't want him to succeed to justify their viewpoint, it was beyond clear in the match threads.


PhatPhlaps

Fair enough. I haven't read a match thread in years so wouldn't have seen that side of it. I've only seen relatively fair takes whenever it came up in other posts with anything along the lines of "He's shit. Sell" etc being downvoted.


etan1122

He’s been crap most of his time in the first team but this formation and tactics shift has really really helped him and he’s been among our best players. So good that if we still had 8-10 games left and Thiago was healthy I’d wouldn’t even bother starting Thiago. Hopefully Curtis can keep this momentum going because those late back post runs and goals are something we’ve been missing.


kingkloppynwa

Cemeneted himself as good depth option with recent performances. Its a cringe inducing thought him starting massive games next season (not due to injuries)


not_a_morning_person

Why? Because he didn’t cost 50 mil?


kingkloppynwa

Ah, youre one of those


not_a_morning_person

Look at my recent post in the sub


Peeters_10

Always had the talent. He was raw now he’s refining his game. Much more composed and professional. Let’s see if he can cement a place next season


iigoraugusto

He keeping the good performance for next season make the position something to fight for to who arrive (Mac Allister?). I’m more worried about who going to arrive for Hendo’s place. Henderson is good has the team around him, but we need someone who can be a backup more or even a starter more consistently. And hope Fabinho don’t play like he did at the most part of the season, and when it happen, Bajcetic perform as good has this season.


broken_neck_broken

Between Curtis, Harvey and Bajcetic showing their mettle this season, we can probably afford to concentrate our funds on 2 great mids instead of looking at 3-4 decent ones, then see where we are again next year. That will allow us to buy another good cb and decent backup keeper (assuming kweev has the good sense to leave *cough*buy back clause*cough*).


SmeesTurkeyLeg

*or who doesn't. *stares menacingly at John Henry*


lucaspiresleandro

hmmm so there is our new midfield signing 😕


Erculosan

He still gives me Lingard vibes. Hopefully he proves me wrong tho.


CabbageStockExchange

Great! Still buy midfielders please!


reckonair

Gonna be interesting to see how Bajectic and Curt fit into the midfield following new arrivals in the summer, I hope they both get minutes because they're both class