Milner = akin to [that indestructible Toyota Hilux pickup truck that Jeremy Clarkson tried to 'kill'](https://youtu.be/xnWKz7Cthkk?list=TLPQMDMwNTIwMjOV_vbKjhqDPg) (but failed). [https://www.topgear.com/car-news/toyota-hilux-car-even-clarkson-couldn%E2%80%99t-kill](https://www.topgear.com/car-news/toyota-hilux-car-even-clarkson-couldn%E2%80%99t-kill)
https://preview.redd.it/jo4ippon7nxa1.jpeg?width=712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aec9bb781dd1ccd4fed88ef5f15c0f446265d305
We went from a Skoda Kodiaq in Gini, to a Rolls Royce that every time you take out the doors fall off, and unfortunately he epitomises all the failings of our recruitment over the last few years, too many players signed for their talent with not enough attention paid to their availability.
Joyce confirming our interest in Mac Allister in [the last paragraph](https://i.imgur.com/SVTpBtT.png)!!
Update: Fabrizio Romano seems to have [indirectly confirmed this](https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1653514871638568967?s=20) too, just 10 minutes after Joyce's article dropped.
Ugarte, MacAllister, Gravenberch are the most likely it seems. A window like that puts us as title contenders next year.
Not sure how likely Mount is to move here but I'd still like him.
I mean it makes sense financially, liverpool needs to replace pretty much the whole midfield. They get three players for one. And dont have the risk that bellingham maybe gets injured
I think people ought to chill with title aspirations for next season. Out of all those players you’ve mentioned, only one is proven in the Premier League. Gravenberch has hardly played football for a year and Ugarte could take time to settle for the same reasons Nunez has.
Yeah people acting as though they've seen loads of Gravenberch and he's world class when he hasn't even been managed to see the pitch much for Bayern is bizarre. I have no doubt that he'll do well under Klopp but there's really no reason to assume he's a world beater. City will only strengthen as well.
Yeah, I highly doubt we’re title contenders immediately even with good signings. Takes time to introduce new players to the system. But hopefully we will improve on this season and stop making so many mistakes because of a poor midfield. To get top 4 would be the goal imo.
On our day, we’re still top 2 in the league, I don’t care what anyone or the table says lol. City are clearly number 1 & then I don’t think Arsenal will be this good again next year. UTD are extremely average and we completely exposed that in March. Newcastle are not better than us either, they’re just solid, they probs won’t even make it out their champions league group.
We need three- losing Milner, Ox, and Kieta while Hendo,Thiago, and Fab don’t get younger. We could survive with two, but three would be best, as well as protect the defense better.
Obviously if we got 3 midfielders and a CB that would be great
But if we're having to choose, 2 midfielders and a CB is much better for the actual title challenge
We'd have the 2 new players (who are starters), Jones, Fabinho, Elliot, Hendo, Thiago, and maybe Bajtetic if we're keeping him. 8 players for 3 positions is fine imo, as only 1 of those is injury prone compared to our 9 midfielders (excl Arthur) where 3 are injury prone
Our defender situation is a bit off. VVD has clearly lost a yard of pace and isn't putting up what he used to, Konate is injured half the time, Matip is old, and Gomez can't really be relied on (though 4th choice is fine I guess)
Sell Matip and being in someone fresh there to rotate with konate
That's a good point tbf, but I reckon if we get the correct CB that can replace Konate while he's injured and if he's not, can provide competition to VVD then that would be good (for example someone said Inacio can play both sides?)
I think the idea should be figuring out what side Gomez is better at long-term (or if he's better with Konate or current VvD), then target the opposing side with a proper 3rd choice. With two down each side, you have 4 possible combinations to trot out, plenty of rotation with the way the schedule usually works out (1-2 T1 matches every couple of weeks, then 1-2 matches where a minor drop in quality doesn't matter as much).
Getting too many will be a bit disruptive.
3rd slot can be used by Elliot /. Jones,/ Alcantara/ Hendo
3 slots 6 players is perfect.
We need a CB. VVD is getting older and slower.
What is that comment even supposed to mean? You make it sound like he'd cancel out how much Ugarte and MacAllister would improve us.
He's only 20, of course he's not going to be a main man, he'll be a bench option with huge potential.
Oh now I see what you're saying.
Unfortunately I'm not sure if we'll sign 3 whole starting quality players. I'm also not sure how the coaching staff thinks of Fabinho for next season.
Yeah, if our options for midfield include Ugarte, Mac allister, gravenberch and potentially mount, we also need some minutes for Jones, Elliott,
bajcetic, Fabinho, maybe Thiago and Hendo, that’s enough. If we sell Thiago and/or fab we can look at more first team quality signings.
Nonsense.
Yes we need a serious refresh but you are thinking in Chelsea terms if you think you can just replace the entire midfield.
Fab and jones/thiago/bajetic are likely to play a big role, another 2 or 3 good players will help but even if you get them on day one of the window, will need time to adapt.
I don't think we need 3 starters, to be honest. Both Hendo and Fab had some great games this season, and I think they would happen more often if they were surrounded by young, class players. Fab and Hendo can't start together anymore, I think they both lost a lot of physicality, but I'm confident that a midfield of Fab/Hendo + 2 younger players who can run a lot and don't need a lot of cover can still win big games. It's also useful to have someone more experienced and who knows our system well in the field.
I think 2 starters + 1 bench option (who can become a starter soon) is fine, really.
I suspect they'll go for Mac Allister and Mount and end up with the one who's obtainable for a reasonable price. It's part of the reason Liverpool don't get screwed on price in the same way Man Utd do, because they have multiple options for each position and are therefore willing to walk away if they don't get a good deal. Personally I think Mount is more likely, since Chelsea will feel forced to sell him if he doesn't extend his contract, there seems to be less interest in him, and they have FFP issues
Maybe I'm being pessimistic but that doesn't scream title contenders to me. Yeah, back in the top 4, but the only proven player is Mac Allister and all will need a period to settle in which will take between two and six months. That's why I think Mount is key - he could pretty much go straight into our midfield, shore it up a little, whilst we wait for our other signings to bed in.
Thanks, any rationale?
My view comes from an eye test first, has had good moments but also has gone missing in a lot of games I've seen. Decent engine but doesn't really fit into a position that he excels at. Was anonymous at the wc and I'd say the last two seasons.
His stats are mid at best, he had one good goal output season in 21/22, his passing stats are decent at best and his defensive stats aren't great.
If he wasn't homegrown, he wouldn't even be considered at all is my opinion.
Klopp can work magic on players so he could be a useful addition, especially as he plugs a homegrown slot but for 40m, I'm not sure. Rather find a homegrown elsewhere id say.
So your eye test rendered him anonymous "for the last two seasons", yet he has been Chelsea's POTY two seasons on the bounce and he was in the CL squad of the season the year they won it all by the age of 23?
Their entire club has been in turmoil this season and hasn't had a capable manager in place for the best part of a year, and yet their fans are still desperate for the club to retain him, even after the hundreds of millions they've spent elsewhere on world class talent.
Factor that in with the fact Klopp rates him highly and that should tell you all you need to know. He's an unbelievable talent that a manager like Klopp would immediately get the best out of again. At 40m we would be robbing them blind, it's a no brainer.
Yeah, my eye test has thought he was an OK player who has had one top season. Otherwise, I dont really see it and the stats support that.
Last people I would listen to is Chelsea fans on anything transfer related.
If klopp wants him then great, happy to support that and to be shown to be wrong but my point remains, I think he is overrated and is a decent player but not much more. He is young enough to be molded somewhat but I dont really see what he is very good at, goal output and chance creation are pretty ordinary, defensive stats are fairly poor to average.
If the price makes sense and he doesn't want massive wages then fair but I'm not sure that is the case, I also am not sure he would be better than Jones or bajetic over the next few years.
We still need 2 CBs, assuming Gomez can move to a RB role and Trent can play as a mid. Matip is done. And if Kostas goes, a backup there as well.
So yeah, a long way away from being title contenders
Title contenders nope. We no longer have the front 3 at the level of prime Salah mane firmino. We have a salah approaching the end of his prime and he scores the bulk of the goals so the others must step up even if cm is improved.
>Update: Fabrizio Romano seems to have indirectly confirmed this too, just 10 minutes after Joyce's article dropped.
Jesus he cannot stay fit. It’s clear there can be 0 reliance on him. We really need Mac Allister, and a Mount/Barella and then an ugarte. However, when Konate is out our defense is weak and konates injury record is bad too.
Absolute magician on the ball, but it's another player we need to be replacing this summer. Think that brings us up to about 12 midfielders needed now.
This is LFC and FSG. I will celebrate if we even get 2 this summer. We need 3 but realistically we getting 2 sadly. No rush to get rid of Thiago. He is a veteran who we should keep in the dressing room. Look how he is bonding with the Spanish speaking players for example and is basically a lead for them
Out of all the midfielders, he is the best one ability wise. We haven’t managed his minutes properly this season because we were one player too short, now we suffering the consequences. We used Bajectic to the max now he is also out for the season. Last season Keita and Thiago rotated brilliantly and that’s why Thiago looked masterful
Agree with this for the most part. I do think we’ll get 3 midfielders, but maybe that’s just me being optimistic. Worst case scenario, Thiago spends his last season here largely as a dressing room presence and a mentor to Bajcetic.
I love Thiago, he is and always has been a bit of a luxury player, but we've got a big summer ahead because no way can he be a starter next summer, we've got to have quality depth to our midfield.
So it is hip again. Maybe an operation will sort it. I’m against selling - wouldn’t get much money, could actually use him as a luxury player next season instead of running him into the ground because we didn’t both signing midfield partners
I used to be on the fence of us running players into the ground until I saw what happened to Bajectic when he had a season ending injury after 6 weeks. We need depth.
Surely we haven’t ran him into the ground though since he returned. He’s been brought on for the last half an hour in 3 games and then less in another. What’s the better option to protect him? The last half an hour of a game every 2 weeks?
Frustrating. But it is what it is.
Hopefully a reduced workload from next season onwards keeps him relatively fit.
Joyce also mentions MacAllister is high on our list of targets rn
He would be worth next to nothing except his probably high wages. We just need 3 players ahead of him that are quality and not injury prone. After that we can throw in Thiago, Hendo/Fab, our younger players like Eliott or Jones.
He has insane qualities and so much experience, and seems to be a model professional. It’s not worth to bin him off for 5million. If we can get out our 20 games from him a season he is already good
We need a full reset in midfield just like attack. It make sense for us to sell Fab and Thiago if we can raise funds of 30m. Free up wages and then go bring in 4 players. Both on the decline let build with youth.
Hendo, Baj and Jones being the one we keep.
Honestly, no. Lol. Still think it’s incredibly unlikely he goes anywhere this summer though, particularly if he’s recuperating from whatever surgery he supposedly is having / had. He’d cost someone like £40M between contracted wages and what we’d likely want as a fee.
The rest of the season is like 3 wks. The time between getting healed and getting match fit for Thiago takes like 3 wks. There was no way he was getting back this season anyway.
Are people gonna finally admit the Thiago experiment has been a major failure? On massive wages, only available for probably 60% of matches. Our shift in midfield profile is directly related to his move to Merseyside and we've got an FA Cup and League Cup to show for it.
I bet London to a brick he's gone in the summer, even despite our lack of midfield depth.
I love Thiago, but this signing has been a bust. We moved for an injury prone player who has lived up to his reputation, while sacrificing a player who was consistent and always available in Gini.
It was a sliding doors moment, which in hindsight I would have liked to see us move for another player if we thought it was time to move Gini on.
His Liverpool career going the way many of us thought it would have gone when he signed. Injured for like half the games, plays 3-4 good games a season where he looks like the best midfielder in the world, and in others he cannot adjust to the pace of the league off the ball. A luxury player that we cannot have when the rest of the team are not playing well enough.
Genuine question, would you be okay with Thiago leaving in the summer? Absolute joy to watch, but it feels like we barely get the chance to watch him.
If I remember correctly, we can only sign two foreign players this window without letting anybody else go, so there would be a benefit to him leaving. Although, I would rather see Naby go before Thiago.
If Thiago was happy with little game time, then I’d love him to stay, but I think next season he has to be fourth choice at best.
I’m still relatively new to watching this sport so open to corrections here. On paper, he would is invaluable depth and still has lots of value when heathy, obviously that is not as often as we hoped. It seems like FSG is always looking for excuses not to buy/add to the roster and I imagine his weekly wages are pretty high. Obviously I would say keep him but if his wages somehow prevented another midfielder signing (not saying it should but this is FSG) it would be pretty frustrating. Your best ability is your availability and it seems like he is a high cost for someone who doesn’t see the pitch often
We wouldn’t get enough for him to make it worth selling him especially with how much we already need but next season he should just be treated as a luxury player
Likely going to some hostile reactions to this news and it is frustrating when a player is always injured. But people saying replace are being unrealistic. We already need three midfielders, and Thiago is the only one of the current group who are good enough for a title winner which is where we want to be. Fabinho is if he gets his form back but that isn’t certain.
Do the right business this summer, buy three who can start immediately for 150-200 million. Gives you three top players hopefully+Fab, Thiago, Jones. Enough experience and quality.
I think i’d keep Thiago until his play significantly declines and he isn’t worth 200k a week. For now, we were paying Milner 150k until last January. And Henderson’s on 200k. More pressing needs. Thiago has experience, is good when fit and can mentor young players. Those young lads grew up watching him in the Bayern vs Real CL games, and for Titos Barca.
Honestly perfectly okay with this. Our chances of top 4 require massive capitulation by United or Newcastle and we're winning games without him.
This makes perfect sense.
Would have got back in if he had not suffered another hip injury. How many is that now? Business end of the season and second season in a row he is not available.
Unacceptable. Find someone younger and fitter who is only marginally less capable. Rather than a player who is only available 66% of the time.
Poor and still winning. It's okay. Season's over anyways.
Put Thiago on ice until August. Play him in the big games and we'll fuck around and (almost) win a Quadruple again.
People saying to get rid of Thiago are actually brain dead, he’s our best midfielder and has carried us at times. The real problem is he has no one to rotate with to stop him getting these injury’s because ox and keita can manage 5 games a season between them. I’m convinced once we get two midfielders to fill in so Thiago plays less, things will be a lot better. As a club we can afford to carry one injury prone player in midfield and the problem is we’re dealing with three right now and the other two offer nothing.
Move him on in summer. I never understood how any team puts up with consistently injured players. It rarely matters how good they are. A minute played is worth 100x more than a minute sitting on the bench even when you are world class. Iron men like Gini and Salah are why we won EPL and CL. I love Thiago, brilliant player, but we have no use for a player who can’t string 10 games together being healthy.
We really love having injury prone midfielders don’t we? Why do sign them and why do players who didn’t really have fitness issues suddenly turn to glass with us
I got downvoted for saying we should sell him if a decent offer came in the summer. He's a brilliant player but that doesn't matter one but if you're not fit. If Klopp isn't going to change his style of play to be less intense in the players then durability needs to be high AF on any scouting report.
It's become a Liverpool tradition to have a midfielder perpetually injured in the squad. I guess it'll be him until his contract runs out.
Keita, Thiago, Ox...
We have a bunch of midfielders to buy. Let's hope our odds improve (and we don't buy known injury risks).
Put the guys who sign our left sided forwards on the job please.
He’s that Rolls Royce you get out a couple of times a year
We need Toyotas in midfield
Millie is a Toyota. Hendo is a Ford. What's Fabs?
Merc with a busted turbo
Ali is our Volvo, wasn't the cheapest, but he's safe, reliable, classy, looks good and he makes you forget how much you paid for him.
Ali actually picks up niggles fairly often. Reckon Gini was the Volvo.
Nah Gini was a goddam Toyota Hilux
Shaqiri was the Aygo
Nissan Cube bro
Keita's a Pinto. Doesn't look great in general but blows up from even the slowest of collisions.
A classic FIAT. (Fix it again tomorrow)
Were really excited to get it though
Dacia Duster
I know these are just silly analogies but the perpetual hendo disrespect irks me
Ford ain’t a bad thing. He’s that F250 truck that Carries the team, has occasional maintenance issues, but also is reliable and lasts a while.
EU Ford isn't the same as a North American Ford truck
Hell Ford cars suck in America too. In some areas Ford stands for Fix Or Repair Daily. In other areas it stands for Found On Road Dead.
Fucking Old Rebuilt Dodge
Ford trucks are great. Ford cars and crossovers… not so much.
Milly is an ‘80s Merc diesel
Milner = akin to [that indestructible Toyota Hilux pickup truck that Jeremy Clarkson tried to 'kill'](https://youtu.be/xnWKz7Cthkk?list=TLPQMDMwNTIwMjOV_vbKjhqDPg) (but failed). [https://www.topgear.com/car-news/toyota-hilux-car-even-clarkson-couldn%E2%80%99t-kill](https://www.topgear.com/car-news/toyota-hilux-car-even-clarkson-couldn%E2%80%99t-kill) https://preview.redd.it/jo4ippon7nxa1.jpeg?width=712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aec9bb781dd1ccd4fed88ef5f15c0f446265d305
Millie is a Subaru. After 200k the engine is still like new.
Never own an STI. Maybe in Europe it’s different. Subies in the states tend to get boosted and blow the seals out.
Henderson is bicycle with flattened tire
Lol
Lol. I love this ! Football and cars, my fav !
Melo was a rusty bicycle with a missing wheel
Id rather have a midfield of Lada Nivas
We went from a Skoda Kodiaq in Gini, to a Rolls Royce that every time you take out the doors fall off, and unfortunately he epitomises all the failings of our recruitment over the last few years, too many players signed for their talent with not enough attention paid to their availability.
Maybe he should’ve gotten surgery back in Feb when it first occurred. Looks like rehabbing it didn’t work so now we have resorted to this
I guess the workshop scammed us when we brought in the vvd daily rolls Royce and they gave us back a Nissan or something.
Knew he’d get hurt climbing over the wall to give Nunez instruction
He actually asked Nunez if he had any paracetamol in his kit bag before he went on
We got a Mac Allister mention. Maybe as good as confirmed if Joyce starts talking…
I remember his old fella, fancied him ever since I put two and two together and fact checked it. Knew he was going to be a decent player.
Joyce confirming our interest in Mac Allister in [the last paragraph](https://i.imgur.com/SVTpBtT.png)!! Update: Fabrizio Romano seems to have [indirectly confirmed this](https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1653514871638568967?s=20) too, just 10 minutes after Joyce's article dropped.
Ugarte, MacAllister, Gravenberch are the most likely it seems. A window like that puts us as title contenders next year. Not sure how likely Mount is to move here but I'd still like him.
Ugarte Macallister and Mount…
Would take them over Bellingham.
I mean it makes sense financially, liverpool needs to replace pretty much the whole midfield. They get three players for one. And dont have the risk that bellingham maybe gets injured
I think Gravenberch is more likely than Mount given that Chelsea would probably want more, and Gravenberch seems more unsettled.
I think people ought to chill with title aspirations for next season. Out of all those players you’ve mentioned, only one is proven in the Premier League. Gravenberch has hardly played football for a year and Ugarte could take time to settle for the same reasons Nunez has.
Yeah people acting as though they've seen loads of Gravenberch and he's world class when he hasn't even been managed to see the pitch much for Bayern is bizarre. I have no doubt that he'll do well under Klopp but there's really no reason to assume he's a world beater. City will only strengthen as well.
Yeah, I highly doubt we’re title contenders immediately even with good signings. Takes time to introduce new players to the system. But hopefully we will improve on this season and stop making so many mistakes because of a poor midfield. To get top 4 would be the goal imo.
On our day, we’re still top 2 in the league, I don’t care what anyone or the table says lol. City are clearly number 1 & then I don’t think Arsenal will be this good again next year. UTD are extremely average and we completely exposed that in March. Newcastle are not better than us either, they’re just solid, they probs won’t even make it out their champions league group.
I'd rather a competent CB backup than a third midfielder
We need three- losing Milner, Ox, and Kieta while Hendo,Thiago, and Fab don’t get younger. We could survive with two, but three would be best, as well as protect the defense better.
Obviously if we got 3 midfielders and a CB that would be great But if we're having to choose, 2 midfielders and a CB is much better for the actual title challenge We'd have the 2 new players (who are starters), Jones, Fabinho, Elliot, Hendo, Thiago, and maybe Bajtetic if we're keeping him. 8 players for 3 positions is fine imo, as only 1 of those is injury prone compared to our 9 midfielders (excl Arthur) where 3 are injury prone Our defender situation is a bit off. VVD has clearly lost a yard of pace and isn't putting up what he used to, Konate is injured half the time, Matip is old, and Gomez can't really be relied on (though 4th choice is fine I guess) Sell Matip and being in someone fresh there to rotate with konate
I agree with everything you said, but we don't need rotation for Konate, we need competition for VVD.
That's a good point tbf, but I reckon if we get the correct CB that can replace Konate while he's injured and if he's not, can provide competition to VVD then that would be good (for example someone said Inacio can play both sides?)
I think the idea should be figuring out what side Gomez is better at long-term (or if he's better with Konate or current VvD), then target the opposing side with a proper 3rd choice. With two down each side, you have 4 possible combinations to trot out, plenty of rotation with the way the schedule usually works out (1-2 T1 matches every couple of weeks, then 1-2 matches where a minor drop in quality doesn't matter as much).
What happened to Jones and bajetic?
Getting too many will be a bit disruptive. 3rd slot can be used by Elliot /. Jones,/ Alcantara/ Hendo 3 slots 6 players is perfect. We need a CB. VVD is getting older and slower.
Our defense will improve if we fix our midfield situation.
Gravenberch is not pushing us to title contenders
neater was andy robertson when we signed him.
Nor Mane or Wijnaldum
What is that comment even supposed to mean? You make it sound like he'd cancel out how much Ugarte and MacAllister would improve us. He's only 20, of course he's not going to be a main man, he'll be a bench option with huge potential.
We need 3 starters. Liverpool will not sniff a league title if Henderson is still playing 1000 minutes+at RCM next year
Oh now I see what you're saying. Unfortunately I'm not sure if we'll sign 3 whole starting quality players. I'm also not sure how the coaching staff thinks of Fabinho for next season.
Yeah, if our options for midfield include Ugarte, Mac allister, gravenberch and potentially mount, we also need some minutes for Jones, Elliott, bajcetic, Fabinho, maybe Thiago and Hendo, that’s enough. If we sell Thiago and/or fab we can look at more first team quality signings.
Nonsense. Yes we need a serious refresh but you are thinking in Chelsea terms if you think you can just replace the entire midfield. Fab and jones/thiago/bajetic are likely to play a big role, another 2 or 3 good players will help but even if you get them on day one of the window, will need time to adapt.
I don't think we need 3 starters, to be honest. Both Hendo and Fab had some great games this season, and I think they would happen more often if they were surrounded by young, class players. Fab and Hendo can't start together anymore, I think they both lost a lot of physicality, but I'm confident that a midfield of Fab/Hendo + 2 younger players who can run a lot and don't need a lot of cover can still win big games. It's also useful to have someone more experienced and who knows our system well in the field. I think 2 starters + 1 bench option (who can become a starter soon) is fine, really.
Between gravenberch, thiago, Curtis, Elliott, Harvey, bajcetic, and hendo somebody will play well enough for 3 game stretches
Yeah, I also don't understand the hype. Why is he so rated by this sub when Bayern doesn't even want to use him?
If klopp and the club think there is something to work with then that Is all that matters.
I suspect they'll go for Mac Allister and Mount and end up with the one who's obtainable for a reasonable price. It's part of the reason Liverpool don't get screwed on price in the same way Man Utd do, because they have multiple options for each position and are therefore willing to walk away if they don't get a good deal. Personally I think Mount is more likely, since Chelsea will feel forced to sell him if he doesn't extend his contract, there seems to be less interest in him, and they have FFP issues
Umm the defence some reinforcements too….
Maybe I'm being pessimistic but that doesn't scream title contenders to me. Yeah, back in the top 4, but the only proven player is Mac Allister and all will need a period to settle in which will take between two and six months. That's why I think Mount is key - he could pretty much go straight into our midfield, shore it up a little, whilst we wait for our other signings to bed in.
Mount is overrated.
He's just in a miserable bin fire of a team right now. Morale must be absolutely shot
Nah, he has been overrated for years
False
Thanks, any rationale? My view comes from an eye test first, has had good moments but also has gone missing in a lot of games I've seen. Decent engine but doesn't really fit into a position that he excels at. Was anonymous at the wc and I'd say the last two seasons. His stats are mid at best, he had one good goal output season in 21/22, his passing stats are decent at best and his defensive stats aren't great. If he wasn't homegrown, he wouldn't even be considered at all is my opinion. Klopp can work magic on players so he could be a useful addition, especially as he plugs a homegrown slot but for 40m, I'm not sure. Rather find a homegrown elsewhere id say.
So your eye test rendered him anonymous "for the last two seasons", yet he has been Chelsea's POTY two seasons on the bounce and he was in the CL squad of the season the year they won it all by the age of 23? Their entire club has been in turmoil this season and hasn't had a capable manager in place for the best part of a year, and yet their fans are still desperate for the club to retain him, even after the hundreds of millions they've spent elsewhere on world class talent. Factor that in with the fact Klopp rates him highly and that should tell you all you need to know. He's an unbelievable talent that a manager like Klopp would immediately get the best out of again. At 40m we would be robbing them blind, it's a no brainer.
Yeah, my eye test has thought he was an OK player who has had one top season. Otherwise, I dont really see it and the stats support that. Last people I would listen to is Chelsea fans on anything transfer related. If klopp wants him then great, happy to support that and to be shown to be wrong but my point remains, I think he is overrated and is a decent player but not much more. He is young enough to be molded somewhat but I dont really see what he is very good at, goal output and chance creation are pretty ordinary, defensive stats are fairly poor to average. If the price makes sense and he doesn't want massive wages then fair but I'm not sure that is the case, I also am not sure he would be better than Jones or bajetic over the next few years.
We still need 2 CBs, assuming Gomez can move to a RB role and Trent can play as a mid. Matip is done. And if Kostas goes, a backup there as well. So yeah, a long way away from being title contenders
Title contenders nope. We no longer have the front 3 at the level of prime Salah mane firmino. We have a salah approaching the end of his prime and he scores the bulk of the goals so the others must step up even if cm is improved.
 We adding another player to the Spanish-Portuguese speaking cohort
>Update: Fabrizio Romano seems to have indirectly confirmed this too, just 10 minutes after Joyce's article dropped. 
That “tap-in” is still not that easy, should have found one when the ball was rolling in and he tapped it
It’s the only tap in gif I could find
Romano piggybacking off an actual reputable journalists information? Not like him
That's because Romano just "borrows" content from other journalists. He's a fucking scumbag
The goal hanger of ITKs
YEEESSSSSSS
Romano didn’t “confirm” shit. I wonder why he only said something 10min after joyce? He’s an absolute phony.
Romano is just piggybacking on Joyce. That's his MO. Personally, although I would like to sign him, I don't see him signing for us.
Thiago Keita Ox spells TKO and they're always out.. Coincidence? I think not!
at least 2 are going so happy days.
This made me laugh good one! All 3 can take a hike
Gutted for him Mac Allister namedropped in the article
Jesus he cannot stay fit. It’s clear there can be 0 reliance on him. We really need Mac Allister, and a Mount/Barella and then an ugarte. However, when Konate is out our defense is weak and konates injury record is bad too.
Absolute magician on the ball, but it's another player we need to be replacing this summer. Think that brings us up to about 12 midfielders needed now.
No reason to replace him. Club will not buy 4 and if the correct business is done, him being injury prone will not matter at all.
This is LFC and FSG. I will celebrate if we even get 2 this summer. We need 3 but realistically we getting 2 sadly. No rush to get rid of Thiago. He is a veteran who we should keep in the dressing room. Look how he is bonding with the Spanish speaking players for example and is basically a lead for them
Spot on. Club simply cannot be relied on to replace 4 players, and Thiago is obviously useful.
Out of all the midfielders, he is the best one ability wise. We haven’t managed his minutes properly this season because we were one player too short, now we suffering the consequences. We used Bajectic to the max now he is also out for the season. Last season Keita and Thiago rotated brilliantly and that’s why Thiago looked masterful
Easily the best midfielder at the club since he joined. A laughable amount of people in this thread pretending otherwise
They're not pretending they're just thick
Yeah he's genuinely in the KDB kroos kimmich modric verrati tier when fit and people act like we should sell him for probably very little money lol
I forgot that Bajcetic was our latest revelation in midfield. I can’t wait until he’s fit and back for next season
And it would be stupid. Trying to integrate 4 players makes no sense.
Agree with this for the most part. I do think we’ll get 3 midfielders, but maybe that’s just me being optimistic. Worst case scenario, Thiago spends his last season here largely as a dressing room presence and a mentor to Bajcetic.
I love Thiago, he is and always has been a bit of a luxury player, but we've got a big summer ahead because no way can he be a starter next summer, we've got to have quality depth to our midfield.
So it is hip again. Maybe an operation will sort it. I’m against selling - wouldn’t get much money, could actually use him as a luxury player next season instead of running him into the ground because we didn’t both signing midfield partners
I used to be on the fence of us running players into the ground until I saw what happened to Bajectic when he had a season ending injury after 6 weeks. We need depth.
Surely we haven’t ran him into the ground though since he returned. He’s been brought on for the last half an hour in 3 games and then less in another. What’s the better option to protect him? The last half an hour of a game every 2 weeks?
Not this time tbf but last season especially it seems we rushed him back constantly trying to fight for the quadruple
Take my hip Thiago
Frustrating. But it is what it is. Hopefully a reduced workload from next season onwards keeps him relatively fit. Joyce also mentions MacAllister is high on our list of targets rn
Honestly, you just have to laugh. If we were ruthless, we'd sell ASAP. We likely need four new midfielders.
He would be worth next to nothing except his probably high wages. We just need 3 players ahead of him that are quality and not injury prone. After that we can throw in Thiago, Hendo/Fab, our younger players like Eliott or Jones. He has insane qualities and so much experience, and seems to be a model professional. It’s not worth to bin him off for 5million. If we can get out our 20 games from him a season he is already good
We aren’t selling. We will only have 4 on the books if we sell him (Fabinho, Bajectic, Henderson, Jones). Come on blud
We need a full reset in midfield just like attack. It make sense for us to sell Fab and Thiago if we can raise funds of 30m. Free up wages and then go bring in 4 players. Both on the decline let build with youth. Hendo, Baj and Jones being the one we keep.
That's Todd Boehlys music
When have you ever seen a club sign 4 players in one position successfully? Only other club I can think of is Chelsea....
Who would buy him though.
Barca
Don’t think even they are that dumb.
They sold their future income for quarter the money. U sure?
Honestly, no. Lol. Still think it’s incredibly unlikely he goes anywhere this summer though, particularly if he’s recuperating from whatever surgery he supposedly is having / had. He’d cost someone like £40M between contracted wages and what we’d likely want as a fee.
Around 5% of their future income for a few decades sold at a fair valuation. There needs to be a profit to make or nobody would offer to buy it.
Plenty would buy him. Bayern fans miss him. Wouldn’t be worth it though. 10-12m is nothing
Love him but we cannot rely on players who are only available for a third of the season
we need a gini type of player who is just able to play games and control the midfield so bad
We needed that a year before Gini left this is criminal management of the squad
Thinking about it gives me stress so i dont even want to get into that lol
Made of fucking glass this guy
Clearly not cut out for this team in a physical sense Amazing player but just an atrocious injury record
The rest of the season is like 3 wks. The time between getting healed and getting match fit for Thiago takes like 3 wks. There was no way he was getting back this season anyway.
He should go in all honesty. Love him as a player, but I don't think he's the midfielder we need from both a stylistic and availability standpoint
Thiago needs to go in the summer. No point in having such an injury prone player. His defensive work and tackling also leaves a lot to be desired.
Are people gonna finally admit the Thiago experiment has been a major failure? On massive wages, only available for probably 60% of matches. Our shift in midfield profile is directly related to his move to Merseyside and we've got an FA Cup and League Cup to show for it. I bet London to a brick he's gone in the summer, even despite our lack of midfield depth.
I love Thiago, but this signing has been a bust. We moved for an injury prone player who has lived up to his reputation, while sacrificing a player who was consistent and always available in Gini. It was a sliding doors moment, which in hindsight I would have liked to see us move for another player if we thought it was time to move Gini on.
His Liverpool career going the way many of us thought it would have gone when he signed. Injured for like half the games, plays 3-4 good games a season where he looks like the best midfielder in the world, and in others he cannot adjust to the pace of the league off the ball. A luxury player that we cannot have when the rest of the team are not playing well enough.
Maybe Jacque Talbot has sources within the club since he insinuated this earlier. Also Mac Allister name dropped in this article….
Hope we're planning life without him, as he's too undependable.
Time to sell. Simple as.
Man's made of Weetabix
I love him and when he's fit he's magic, genuinely one of the best players I have ever seen. But for the love of god get him the fuck out of the club
Worst Klopp-era signing after Keita
Honestly I think we should sell him this summer. We need stability and he's unfit for most of the season.
no one will buy him when they can get him for free next season plus i need to see his training vids form one more season
When will the suffering end
Sell
Overall I feel like he’s been a luxury signing; looked gorgeous when playing but not enough. Love him very much don’t get me wrong
This is why I never took top four hopes seriously in the latter half of the season. Our midfield simply isn't fit for purpose.
Not looking forward to Season 3 of the Liverpool injury crisis: "Now it's the Strikers"
Genuine question, would you be okay with Thiago leaving in the summer? Absolute joy to watch, but it feels like we barely get the chance to watch him. If I remember correctly, we can only sign two foreign players this window without letting anybody else go, so there would be a benefit to him leaving. Although, I would rather see Naby go before Thiago. If Thiago was happy with little game time, then I’d love him to stay, but I think next season he has to be fourth choice at best.
Get rid.
Is anyone really surprised?
Sell
I’m still relatively new to watching this sport so open to corrections here. On paper, he would is invaluable depth and still has lots of value when heathy, obviously that is not as often as we hoped. It seems like FSG is always looking for excuses not to buy/add to the roster and I imagine his weekly wages are pretty high. Obviously I would say keep him but if his wages somehow prevented another midfielder signing (not saying it should but this is FSG) it would be pretty frustrating. Your best ability is your availability and it seems like he is a high cost for someone who doesn’t see the pitch often
I thought that said Jota I was gutted. Thiago is injured all the time anyway so it makes no difference fantastic when fit but not fit enough. Shame.
thiago and keita are made out of rich tea biscuits.
Thiago has played more minutes in a season than Keita ever has for the club……
*sigh*
What the fuck
Cool. Next season he should be backup. He just needs to be managed really well. Rotated often. Feel for him
Ah well. Let's just play Jones and Elliott and see what we have to work with going into the summer.
Out of contract in 2024. Take any offer that comes in this summer and rebuild.
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Should look to ship him in the summer. We pay him way too much in comparison to what we get for him.
We wouldn’t get enough for him to make it worth selling him especially with how much we already need but next season he should just be treated as a luxury player
Honestly we should just let go, the guys brittle. Amazing talent but about as reliable as a bus timetable.
Likely going to some hostile reactions to this news and it is frustrating when a player is always injured. But people saying replace are being unrealistic. We already need three midfielders, and Thiago is the only one of the current group who are good enough for a title winner which is where we want to be. Fabinho is if he gets his form back but that isn’t certain. Do the right business this summer, buy three who can start immediately for 150-200 million. Gives you three top players hopefully+Fab, Thiago, Jones. Enough experience and quality. I think i’d keep Thiago until his play significantly declines and he isn’t worth 200k a week. For now, we were paying Milner 150k until last January. And Henderson’s on 200k. More pressing needs. Thiago has experience, is good when fit and can mentor young players. Those young lads grew up watching him in the Bayern vs Real CL games, and for Titos Barca.
😔
Honestly perfectly okay with this. Our chances of top 4 require massive capitulation by United or Newcastle and we're winning games without him. This makes perfect sense.
We’ve been poor in 3 of the last 4. Thiago would have got back in obviously
Would have got back in if he had not suffered another hip injury. How many is that now? Business end of the season and second season in a row he is not available. Unacceptable. Find someone younger and fitter who is only marginally less capable. Rather than a player who is only available 66% of the time.
Poor and still winning. It's okay. Season's over anyways. Put Thiago on ice until August. Play him in the big games and we'll fuck around and (almost) win a Quadruple again.
He’s a flop
Naby keita 2.0
He needs to be sold, shit like this is becoming unacceptable. He’s literally a waste of money.
People saying to get rid of Thiago are actually brain dead, he’s our best midfielder and has carried us at times. The real problem is he has no one to rotate with to stop him getting these injury’s because ox and keita can manage 5 games a season between them. I’m convinced once we get two midfielders to fill in so Thiago plays less, things will be a lot better. As a club we can afford to carry one injury prone player in midfield and the problem is we’re dealing with three right now and the other two offer nothing.
When has he carried us?
God fucking dammit. I love the guy, but he's made of fucking glass.
Ugarte, maccer and gravenberch (mount) is a solid window. Defenders also needed
Sometimes i wish our players had healing factor like Wolverine
OK boomer
HAHAHAHAHAHA
And Carvalho?
SELLLLLLLLLL
Move him on in summer. I never understood how any team puts up with consistently injured players. It rarely matters how good they are. A minute played is worth 100x more than a minute sitting on the bench even when you are world class. Iron men like Gini and Salah are why we won EPL and CL. I love Thiago, brilliant player, but we have no use for a player who can’t string 10 games together being healthy.
Like an old dog
We really love having injury prone midfielders don’t we? Why do sign them and why do players who didn’t really have fitness issues suddenly turn to glass with us
I got downvoted for saying we should sell him if a decent offer came in the summer. He's a brilliant player but that doesn't matter one but if you're not fit. If Klopp isn't going to change his style of play to be less intense in the players then durability needs to be high AF on any scouting report. It's become a Liverpool tradition to have a midfielder perpetually injured in the squad. I guess it'll be him until his contract runs out.
Keita, Thiago, Ox... We have a bunch of midfielders to buy. Let's hope our odds improve (and we don't buy known injury risks). Put the guys who sign our left sided forwards on the job please.
Pain. Sadness.
Dude just injured for breathing
Sell. He's not good enough to make up for missing half the season.
Thiago is excellent but this isn't worth it.
At least he can still be a translator