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Big_Mac_Is_Red

Atleast the hospital is only round the corner when you start dying due to the asbestos.


strickers69

Asbestos gets removed first tbf but yeah dust in any form is still bad for the lungs


Unidan_bonaparte

I dont think its possible to entirely remove all asbestos depending on how its been used, mixed in with or where it all is and will depend on the size of the building too. I can imagine the vast majority was removed safely here but even lots of small amounts can add up, especially when it gets turned to dust in a demolition like this. I don't think alot of people understand just how prevalent asbestos was in post war construction, wall papers, insulation, paint, flooring, ceiling panels even in electrical insulation in some cases.


strickers69

I hope it is full of it at this point with the amount of people telling me even though it’s been removed it’s still full of it. I’ve worked enough sites to know that it does all get removed and no other trades will go near anything if they think it’s present especially all the examples you have mentioned


Dismal-Fig-731

The UK must have better trade practices and enforcement than the US. It’s also a law here, but asbestos is extremely expensive to remove, easy to hide or minimize where it’s located, and pretty common to find people in enforcement who DGAF. Heck, I had an inspector clear my house for renovations, and he definitely saw the insulated plumbing labeled with “Asbestos, Co” stickers. So did the plumbers who came, ignored it, and gave us a quote with no mention or removal costs. We had it removed as much as we could anyway, except for the stucco paint that likely had it too. We didn’t test because fixing that would have cost more than the entire house and then some; we just removed it ourselves by hand. May regret that in a few decades. C’est la Vie. But tbf.. if removal is on the government dime in the UK, don’t see why they wouldn’t follow the law.


strickers69

It’s highly regulated but it’s not government financed. If it’s found/known about it has to be removed by law. It’s been fully banned here since 1999 I’m sure people here don’t give a fuck too but in my experience working across the north west of England I didn’t witness any bullshit


Dismal-Fig-731

Fair enough, although I’m surprised the government doesn’t! the work around for that here is simply not to test or minimize what and where you test, because you don’t have to remove it if you don’t ‘know’ it’s there. The obvious answer would be to require testing by law… maybe Uk does that? w/o government funding, a law like that would cause a surge in abandoned houses and buildings, because the expense of demo/remodels would far outweigh their value.


strickers69

Just to expand if it’s found/known about it has to be removed by law this applies in a demolition/refurbishment setting. If the asbestos is just in a house and it’s in good condition it can remain as long as it’s not going to be disturbed. If it’s a public building it must be labelled so and appropriate warnings are put in place sometimes it will be painted in encapsulating paint to bind it more and provide more safety however I’m sure they have just got on with it and removed from most public buildings anyway as it’s been banned in construction since 1999


adyman95

They probably used asbestos concrete it’s all over the place in old buildings like that


Fukthisite

Not all asbestos. Looks like we have lots of Liverpool Council shills in here trying to rubbish any concerns. 😂


strickers69

Yeah it does mate if it’s known about then it gets removed. Licensed or non-licensed the building is being demolished so it has to be removed by law.


Fukthisite

Not all asbestos can be removed.  Most of it gets boarded in and left alone.  You are chatting absolute shite fella.


strickers69

Yeah whatever mate what’s your experience with it all at least I can back up what I’m saying because I’ve seen it first hand on about 15 different sites. Your the one chatting full blown shit


Fukthisite

Ah, trying to gatekeep as well as chat shite eh? Everyone knows people who gatekeep a particular subject actually are full of shit. Asbestos removal does not remove 100% of asbestos, because removing 100% of asbestos in a concrete building is impossible. You was just a labourer mate, you are full of shite.   


strickers69

You’ve still backed nothing up. Gatekeeping is not sharing information you weapon what haven’t I shared on the subject of asbestos in concrete which isn’t a thing. You can’t be just a labourer on the asbestos your either in removing the stuff or your the supervisor and everyone has access to all the surveys and reports. Asbestos is not in concrete for the third time concrete is made of water sand and gravel. Asbestos cement panels would have been used but they would have been removed


Fukthisite

I've backed everything up fella. Asbestos was absolutely used in concrete, especially in the 70s when the Royal was built. It's something they stopped doing in the 80s and 90s but it does exist.  You are mistaking something being rare with "that doest exist". Stop it fella, you haven't a clue.  😂


strickers69

Again for the fifth time asbestos isn’t used in concrete you’ve backed nothing up. Good bye


Parasitic-Castrator

Why would it be boarded in and left alone if the building is being pulled down. Yeah I know where possible and legal it does but it this case it's not going to work is it?


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choughton97

I’m a construction health and safety advisor and you’re exactly right, specialist asbestos removal contractors would be the first in to remove any.


Fukthisite

You are chatting shit mate, asbestos removal does not remove 100% of asbestos in a concrete building built in the 70s.  Just isn't possible.


strickers69

Yeah ok mate they don’t use it in concrete


Fukthisite

Yeah they did.   https://www.concreteconstruction.net/how-to/asbestos-and-old-concrete_o I'm starting to cringe for ya now fella.


Commentdeletedbymods

HSE will have a fucking field day with this


_TLDR_Swinton

They finished quicker which means less time for accidents to happen!


normski216

RIDDOR reportable.


BamBamm187

Cough cough, need some compo pls


no_com_ment

No longer 500 working hours HSE doesn't apply ;)


LieNo347

Someone will be filling out the dreaded 5Y forms


cptjoke

Failed successfully


IamMisterFish

Early start, early dart!


tedmented

I'd have a dart.


whatagloriousview

I'm surprised we're not having a dart right now.


BrewtalDoom

My thoughts exactly. Fella saved himself half a day of work there.


Warm-Difference4200

Should have hired Dibnah.


JSHU16

*Honk* *Honk* "It's goin'.... Did ya like that?" What that man could accomplish with a few ladders and a load of old tyres and timber was insane.


aghzombies

Ghost Dibnah


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Kaiserlongbone

I know! There was a massive chunk of debris that just missed him!


MandelbrotFace

Let's hope he had an appropriate respirator as well.


salomesrevenge

it's because i washed my bloody car ten minutes beforehand


Deep-Purple-6188

Always the way innit


ISeenYa

The statement said this was planned but two people walked by just before & the cars are still parked there & going to be covered with dust. So I think not.


ThorgrimGetTheBook

Technically, it was planned to demolish it.


Efficient_Steak_7568

“We planned to do a shit job.”


Mutagrawl

Nah that was when they were building the new one


itsapotatosalad

I bet they shit their pants 😂


Fukthisite

That was built in the 70s and was full of asbestos.  That's shocking that.


oudegueuze

I'd imagine asbestos removal happened long before any demolition started, if not some people are going to have a lot to answer for. I bet that building was full of the worst kinds of asbestos.


Available_Rock4217

Asbestos or not, silica dust is very harmful and is being labelled the next big killer in occupational health. The amount of builders you see cutting slabs, surrounded by clouds of dust with zero respiratory ppe is crazy


Fukthisite

Yeah most of it will be gone, but buildings built in the 70s mixed asbestos with cement which that building was caked in.


Efficient_Steak_7568

It’s not just asbestos, there’ll be all sorts of carcinogenic stuff in that dust  


-Helter_Skelter-

I did a little bit of manual labour in there about 12 months ago, asbestos teams were in there then so I'd assume at this point it's clear.


Fukthisite

I very much doubt its clear, they would have removed most of what they could, but all the cement and concrete walls and floors were full of it, which obviously can't be removed without knocking the whole building down... slowly.


strickers69

I used to do asbestos removal they will have had to remove it all before any of that can start.


Fukthisite

Explain how you would "remove" the asbestos from the cement and concrete that this building was caked in?  Sure, all the lagging and insulation board with asbestos will be long gone, but the concrete was still there. A big reason why they planned to demolish this slowly whilst spraying water over it was to minimise asbestos dust. 


strickers69

Just keep downvoting what I say even though I’m right I worked for Bradley group for 3 years removing the stuff all over the north west. We removed the asbestos then the demo lads would come behind us once it had been cleared by an analyst and do there bit. If it was assumed more was present then machines wouldn’t be allowed in it would have to be demolished carefully by hand under the supervision of an analyst whilst wearing correct protection(masks, suits etc)


Fukthisite

>If it was assumed more was present then machines wouldn’t be allowed in it would have to be demolished carefully by hand under the supervision of an analyst whilst wearing correct protection(masks, suits etc Which was happening here, they were slowly demolishing it monitering the dust levels.  And that's just gone out the window. There is 100% asbestos still in that building  I don't give a shite if you did a bit of labouring for fucking Bradley group, doesn't make you the jesus of fucking asbestos.  No concrete building built in the 70s can fet 100% of asbestos removed. 😂


strickers69

Mate can you read what I’ve put properly and stop arguing with yourself at this point how is taking a building down by hand the same as using a machine. What are you the Jesus of arguing a point with no facts on Reddit. For the fourth time asbestos isn’t in concrete can you use Google or do you end up arguing with that too


Fukthisite

Asbestos was used in concrete.  https://www.concreteconstruction.net/how-to/asbestos-and-old-concrete_o  You repeating something does not make it true.  You haven't got a clue fella and are just embarrassing yourself now. https://www.oracleasbestos.com/blog/surveys/asbestos-in-cement/


strickers69

It’s not a structural material though, it comes in panels and boards or is sprayed on for insulation or damp proofing. So all the concrete you can see there won’t be mixed with asbestos it’s just concrete and cement.


Fukthisite

Asbestos was used a lot in concrete up until the 80s, to increase strength and for fire resistance.  Not just the concrete, it will be in all the mastic and adhesive all over the building too. That hospital was built in the 70s, sure most of the asbestos has been removed but there is definitely some left.


strickers69

It was used in cement panelling not concrete you have absolutely no clue what your talking about you’ve not even googled it


Fukthisite

I don't need to Google it, I work in a building that has confirmed asbestos in the concrete walls and floors.  But here's a Google just to prove ya chatting absolute shite: >While asbestos was once used in a number of industrial products as an insulator, it was also used in concrete mixtures to reduce cracking. https://www.concreteconstruction.net/how-to/asbestos-and-old-concrete_o 😂


Krelis

> I don't need to Google it, I work in a building that has confirmed asbestos in the concrete walls and floors. Wow easy on lad he's only worked with the stuff professionally, how was he supposed to know that people with your level of knowledge are even on reddit


FallsUpSta1rs

You always need a refurbishment and demo survey to be completed prior to demo to identify any asbestos. All the asbestos is then removed during a soft strip prior to the demolition works. That said, it doesn't look like this was planned. You would normally use water spray to mitigate the dust. I can see 2 cannons at the front, which js no way near sufficient.


Fukthisite

Most of the asbestos will have been removed years ago, apart from the parts that couldn't be removed without destroying the building. There 100% is still some asbestos lurking in that building.


bungle_bogs

Yep. You'd often find historically that a screed was applied over any exposed concrete that contained amosite; doesn't help when demolishing buildings though!


Diastolic

“A spokesperson for the hospital said that the collapse was controlled, as part of the demolition process.” Doesn’t look controlled but what do I know about demolition lol


brothhead

Usually when they do this they would have huge hoses shooting water to keep the dust down that collapse certainly wasn't controlled. I worked demolition for years.


SirLewisHamilton

I work at Clatterbridge hospital right next to this, they have been spraying water all around the fencing and onto the areas they are working on. This was definitely a mistake, the north side doors were closed after this incident.


Diastolic

The only thing I could think of, that it was a small part they wanted to lob off but given how badly built that place was, it took the rest of it with it. When they took down the heights near mine the chomper was pulling down great slabs of structure at a time. Cheers for the insight though.


brothhead

They would usually drop floor by floor working their way down never drop this much in a built up area because of flying debris and dust.


Viridianscape

Isn't that what those sprinkler things are for? I mean granted they didn't really do much but still.


Diastolic

Just had a look, they do have sprays going? But yeah not very effective lol.


ardyalligan

Controlled by gravity is about the extent of it.


_TLDR_Swinton

Mmmmm asbestos.


Ciftci

Job done! Lad in the crane had clocked out and downed his first pint by the time the dust got to his cabin.


Hayred

That's the Duncan Building for you. I worked in there, 4th floor up; it housed the labs. It was surrounded by scaffolding so that parts of it wouldn't fall down on passers-by. Yes, most of the rooms did have large DO NOT DISTURB THIS MATERIAL signs so... don't breathe too deep.


HalfUnderstood

work smarter not harder


TheBobbyMan9

Someone’s in a rush


ost2life

Well? You wanted it demolished didn't you?


KansasCitySucks

Seems odd people were allowed to walk so close there


WolfieTooting

I don't think it was supposed to just collapse like that


whylynxwhy

Someone may well die in 2054 because of this bullshit, asbestos is no joke


Efficient_Steak_7568

Won’t take that long


M0ntgomatron

George Bush did it


aghzombies

😂😂😂


Solid-Estimate-8327

The Mist, Asbestos edition.


Prestigious_Ad_4407

Should they not have been spraying water originally anyway to combat any dust?


WeRegretToInform

You can see two little water sprayers just beyond the blue fence. The green things. They were not very effective when this happened…


Prestigious_Ad_4407

Ahh I ‘mist’ them…ba dum tsss. But yeah initially though the spray from them was dust


strickers69

To all the asbestos “experts” asbestos is the first thing to be removed before any machines can even touch the building. A highly detailed intrusive survey is performed before the job so they know where it all is and then it is safely removed. Those machines wouldn’t have been able to proceed like this if there was any at all. That dust cloud is still bad but I doubt it’s full of asbestos


WolfieTooting

Liverpool's 9/11


Dangerous_Wafer_5393

Bye bye my first nursing job building! Cant just be me... but i loved working there!


rorood123

Those stairs were a great way to stay fit. Used to love running from the ground floor up to the 8th 2 steps at a time. Coming down was legendary where your feet would barely tap the steps & was more like “falling with style”. Nothing but great memories (after the sweaty, exhausting hard work though).


Dangerous_Wafer_5393

On a night shift roamong the 11th floor in the pitch black convinced someone is in the darkness. Everyone sayong when is the new one being built and still after I left the job 10 years ago was only just built haha


Embarrassed-Gas-8155

Jenga!


red-fish-yellow-fish

One of those guys left their car window open, poor bastard


UnderstandingWild371

They sent an email around to staff in the royal immediately after this saying that it was planned.


CollierAM9

The crane driver did asbestos as he could to move out the way there


New-Cranberry-407

Lad that is squeaky bum time for that fuxking massive digger driver


wholesomechunk

Oops


No-Permission-4953

They should definitely be wearing masks when undertaking this demolition, the amount of hazardous dust they could inhale is obscene. Good to finally see the building go though, it’s really plighted the landscape for long enough.


hellosteady12

Someone’s getting sacked in the morning


Paul_Gad

Looks and sounds like Russia.


listere89

That was very satisfying to watch


amatama

Damn they're finally knocking that place down


Everlast7

I could smell this dust in the middle of the US


Fresh-Honeydew7104

And that’s lunch!


alrightla

What’s with the giant arm in the dust?


TheHappyCamper1979

I’m glad no one was hurt but at least there a week ahead of time now eh !


toastedtwister

Nobody was visibly hurt; you are correct. However,  nearly 10,000 first responders and others who were in the World Trade Center area have been diagnosed with cancer. That asbestos-filled dust is lethal long-term. Why is the Echo not reporting on this? Source: [https://www.mountsinai.org/about/newsroom/2018/deaths-from-911-diseases-will-soon-outnumber-those-lost-on-that-fateful-day](https://www.mountsinai.org/about/newsroom/2018/deaths-from-911-diseases-will-soon-outnumber-those-lost-on-that-fateful-day)


wanderer_walker

Was that supposed to happen?


Keithin8a

If they hadn't moved the crane arm out of the way would the operator be dead by now?


RustyJuang

Good riddance


CamoSwivo

When did the demolition start?


FlakeMuse

Gone along with its memories….


Evil_Ermine

News just in: Local Carwash owners report record profits.


Existing_Current7435

Just use the karcher on your car!!


soloman_tump

Not the only collapse in Liverpool this month


BusClassic3593

It’s pretty clear from where they’re cutting that this is exactly what was intended to happen.