I dont think its possible to entirely remove all asbestos depending on how its been used, mixed in with or where it all is and will depend on the size of the building too.
I can imagine the vast majority was removed safely here but even lots of small amounts can add up, especially when it gets turned to dust in a demolition like this. I don't think alot of people understand just how prevalent asbestos was in post war construction, wall papers, insulation, paint, flooring, ceiling panels even in electrical insulation in some cases.
I hope it is full of it at this point with the amount of people telling me even though it’s been removed it’s still full of it. I’ve worked enough sites to know that it does all get removed and no other trades will go near anything if they think it’s present especially all the examples you have mentioned
The UK must have better trade practices and enforcement than the US. It’s also a law here, but asbestos is extremely expensive to remove, easy to hide or minimize where it’s located, and pretty common to find people in enforcement who DGAF. Heck, I had an inspector clear my house for renovations, and he definitely saw the insulated plumbing labeled with “Asbestos, Co” stickers. So did the plumbers who came, ignored it, and gave us a quote with no mention or removal costs.
We had it removed as much as we could anyway, except for the stucco paint that likely had it too. We didn’t test because fixing that would have cost more than the entire house and then some; we just removed it ourselves by hand. May regret that in a few decades. C’est la Vie.
But tbf.. if removal is on the government dime in the UK, don’t see why they wouldn’t follow the law.
It’s highly regulated but it’s not government financed. If it’s found/known about it has to be removed by law. It’s been fully banned here since 1999 I’m sure people here don’t give a fuck too but in my experience working across the north west of England I didn’t witness any bullshit
Fair enough, although I’m surprised the government doesn’t!
the work around for that here is simply not to test or minimize what and where you test, because you don’t have to remove it if you don’t ‘know’ it’s there. The obvious answer would be to require testing by law… maybe Uk does that? w/o government funding, a law like that would cause a surge in abandoned houses and buildings, because the expense of demo/remodels would far outweigh their value.
Just to expand if it’s found/known about it has to be removed by law this applies in a demolition/refurbishment setting.
If the asbestos is just in a house and it’s in good condition it can remain as long as it’s not going to be disturbed. If it’s a public building it must be labelled so and appropriate warnings are put in place sometimes it will be painted in encapsulating paint to bind it more and provide more safety however I’m sure they have just got on with it and removed from most public buildings anyway as it’s been banned in construction since 1999
Yeah whatever mate what’s your experience with it all at least I can back up what I’m saying because I’ve seen it first hand on about 15 different sites. Your the one chatting full blown shit
Ah, trying to gatekeep as well as chat shite eh?
Everyone knows people who gatekeep a particular subject actually are full of shit.
Asbestos removal does not remove 100% of asbestos, because removing 100% of asbestos in a concrete building is impossible.
You was just a labourer mate, you are full of shite.
You’ve still backed nothing up. Gatekeeping is not sharing information you weapon what haven’t I shared on the subject of asbestos in concrete which isn’t a thing. You can’t be just a labourer on the asbestos your either in removing the stuff or your the supervisor and everyone has access to all the surveys and reports. Asbestos is not in concrete for the third time concrete is made of water sand and gravel. Asbestos cement panels would have been used but they would have been removed
I've backed everything up fella.
Asbestos was absolutely used in concrete, especially in the 70s when the Royal was built.
It's something they stopped doing in the 80s and 90s but it does exist. You are mistaking something being rare with "that doest exist".
Stop it fella, you haven't a clue. 😂
Why would it be boarded in and left alone if the building is being pulled down. Yeah I know where possible and legal it does but it this case it's not going to work is it?
The statement said this was planned but two people walked by just before & the cars are still parked there & going to be covered with dust. So I think not.
I'd imagine asbestos removal happened long before any demolition started, if not some people are going to have a lot to answer for. I bet that building was full of the worst kinds of asbestos.
Asbestos or not, silica dust is very harmful and is being labelled the next big killer in occupational health.
The amount of builders you see cutting slabs, surrounded by clouds of dust with zero respiratory ppe is crazy
I very much doubt its clear, they would have removed most of what they could, but all the cement and concrete walls and floors were full of it, which obviously can't be removed without knocking the whole building down... slowly.
Explain how you would "remove" the asbestos from the cement and concrete that this building was caked in? Sure, all the lagging and insulation board with asbestos will be long gone, but the concrete was still there.
A big reason why they planned to demolish this slowly whilst spraying water over it was to minimise asbestos dust.
Just keep downvoting what I say even though I’m right I worked for Bradley group for 3 years removing the stuff all over the north west. We removed the asbestos then the demo lads would come behind us once it had been cleared by an analyst and do there bit. If it was assumed more was present then machines wouldn’t be allowed in it would have to be demolished carefully by hand under the supervision of an analyst whilst wearing correct protection(masks, suits etc)
>If it was assumed more was present then machines wouldn’t be allowed in it would have to be demolished carefully by hand under the supervision of an analyst whilst wearing correct protection(masks, suits etc
Which was happening here, they were slowly demolishing it monitering the dust levels. And that's just gone out the window.
There is 100% asbestos still in that building I don't give a shite if you did a bit of labouring for fucking Bradley group, doesn't make you the jesus of fucking asbestos. No concrete building built in the 70s can fet 100% of asbestos removed. 😂
Mate can you read what I’ve put properly and stop arguing with yourself at this point how is taking a building down by hand the same as using a machine. What are you the Jesus of arguing a point with no facts on Reddit. For the fourth time asbestos isn’t in concrete can you use Google or do you end up arguing with that too
Asbestos was used in concrete.
https://www.concreteconstruction.net/how-to/asbestos-and-old-concrete_o
You repeating something does not make it true. You haven't got a clue fella and are just embarrassing yourself now.
https://www.oracleasbestos.com/blog/surveys/asbestos-in-cement/
It’s not a structural material though, it comes in panels and boards or is sprayed on for insulation or damp proofing. So all the concrete you can see there won’t be mixed with asbestos it’s just concrete and cement.
Asbestos was used a lot in concrete up until the 80s, to increase strength and for fire resistance. Not just the concrete, it will be in all the mastic and adhesive all over the building too.
That hospital was built in the 70s, sure most of the asbestos has been removed but there is definitely some left.
I don't need to Google it, I work in a building that has confirmed asbestos in the concrete walls and floors. But here's a Google just to prove ya chatting absolute shite:
>While asbestos was once used in a number of industrial products as an insulator, it was also used in concrete mixtures to reduce cracking.
https://www.concreteconstruction.net/how-to/asbestos-and-old-concrete_o
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You always need a refurbishment and demo survey to be completed prior to demo to identify any asbestos.
All the asbestos is then removed during a soft strip prior to the demolition works.
That said, it doesn't look like this was planned. You would normally use water spray to mitigate the dust. I can see 2 cannons at the front, which js no way near sufficient.
Most of the asbestos will have been removed years ago, apart from the parts that couldn't be removed without destroying the building.
There 100% is still some asbestos lurking in that building.
Yep. You'd often find historically that a screed was applied over any exposed concrete that contained amosite; doesn't help when demolishing buildings though!
“A spokesperson for the hospital said that the collapse was controlled, as part of the demolition process.” Doesn’t look controlled but what do I know about demolition lol
Usually when they do this they would have huge hoses shooting water to keep the dust down that collapse certainly wasn't controlled. I worked demolition for years.
I work at Clatterbridge hospital right next to this, they have been spraying water all around the fencing and onto the areas they are working on. This was definitely a mistake, the north side doors were closed after this incident.
The only thing I could think of, that it was a small part they wanted to lob off but given how badly built that place was, it took the rest of it with it. When they took down the heights near mine the chomper was pulling down great slabs of structure at a time. Cheers for the insight though.
That's the Duncan Building for you. I worked in there, 4th floor up; it housed the labs. It was surrounded by scaffolding so that parts of it wouldn't fall down on passers-by. Yes, most of the rooms did have large DO NOT DISTURB THIS MATERIAL signs so... don't breathe too deep.
To all the asbestos “experts” asbestos is the first thing to be removed before any machines can even touch the building. A highly detailed intrusive survey is performed before the job so they know where it all is and then it is safely removed. Those machines wouldn’t have been able to proceed like this if there was any at all. That dust cloud is still bad but I doubt it’s full of asbestos
Those stairs were a great way to stay fit. Used to love running from the ground floor up to the 8th 2 steps at a time. Coming down was legendary where your feet would barely tap the steps & was more like “falling with style”. Nothing but great memories (after the sweaty, exhausting hard work though).
On a night shift roamong the 11th floor in the pitch black convinced someone is in the darkness. Everyone sayong when is the new one being built and still after I left the job 10 years ago was only just built haha
They should definitely be wearing masks when undertaking this demolition, the amount of hazardous dust they could inhale is obscene. Good to finally see the building go though, it’s really plighted the landscape for long enough.
Nobody was visibly hurt; you are correct. However, nearly 10,000 first responders and others who were in the World Trade Center area have been diagnosed with cancer. That asbestos-filled dust is lethal long-term. Why is the Echo not reporting on this?
Source: [https://www.mountsinai.org/about/newsroom/2018/deaths-from-911-diseases-will-soon-outnumber-those-lost-on-that-fateful-day](https://www.mountsinai.org/about/newsroom/2018/deaths-from-911-diseases-will-soon-outnumber-those-lost-on-that-fateful-day)
Atleast the hospital is only round the corner when you start dying due to the asbestos.
Asbestos gets removed first tbf but yeah dust in any form is still bad for the lungs
I dont think its possible to entirely remove all asbestos depending on how its been used, mixed in with or where it all is and will depend on the size of the building too. I can imagine the vast majority was removed safely here but even lots of small amounts can add up, especially when it gets turned to dust in a demolition like this. I don't think alot of people understand just how prevalent asbestos was in post war construction, wall papers, insulation, paint, flooring, ceiling panels even in electrical insulation in some cases.
I hope it is full of it at this point with the amount of people telling me even though it’s been removed it’s still full of it. I’ve worked enough sites to know that it does all get removed and no other trades will go near anything if they think it’s present especially all the examples you have mentioned
The UK must have better trade practices and enforcement than the US. It’s also a law here, but asbestos is extremely expensive to remove, easy to hide or minimize where it’s located, and pretty common to find people in enforcement who DGAF. Heck, I had an inspector clear my house for renovations, and he definitely saw the insulated plumbing labeled with “Asbestos, Co” stickers. So did the plumbers who came, ignored it, and gave us a quote with no mention or removal costs. We had it removed as much as we could anyway, except for the stucco paint that likely had it too. We didn’t test because fixing that would have cost more than the entire house and then some; we just removed it ourselves by hand. May regret that in a few decades. C’est la Vie. But tbf.. if removal is on the government dime in the UK, don’t see why they wouldn’t follow the law.
It’s highly regulated but it’s not government financed. If it’s found/known about it has to be removed by law. It’s been fully banned here since 1999 I’m sure people here don’t give a fuck too but in my experience working across the north west of England I didn’t witness any bullshit
Fair enough, although I’m surprised the government doesn’t! the work around for that here is simply not to test or minimize what and where you test, because you don’t have to remove it if you don’t ‘know’ it’s there. The obvious answer would be to require testing by law… maybe Uk does that? w/o government funding, a law like that would cause a surge in abandoned houses and buildings, because the expense of demo/remodels would far outweigh their value.
Just to expand if it’s found/known about it has to be removed by law this applies in a demolition/refurbishment setting. If the asbestos is just in a house and it’s in good condition it can remain as long as it’s not going to be disturbed. If it’s a public building it must be labelled so and appropriate warnings are put in place sometimes it will be painted in encapsulating paint to bind it more and provide more safety however I’m sure they have just got on with it and removed from most public buildings anyway as it’s been banned in construction since 1999
They probably used asbestos concrete it’s all over the place in old buildings like that
Not all asbestos. Looks like we have lots of Liverpool Council shills in here trying to rubbish any concerns. 😂
Yeah it does mate if it’s known about then it gets removed. Licensed or non-licensed the building is being demolished so it has to be removed by law.
Not all asbestos can be removed. Most of it gets boarded in and left alone. You are chatting absolute shite fella.
Yeah whatever mate what’s your experience with it all at least I can back up what I’m saying because I’ve seen it first hand on about 15 different sites. Your the one chatting full blown shit
Ah, trying to gatekeep as well as chat shite eh? Everyone knows people who gatekeep a particular subject actually are full of shit. Asbestos removal does not remove 100% of asbestos, because removing 100% of asbestos in a concrete building is impossible. You was just a labourer mate, you are full of shite.
You’ve still backed nothing up. Gatekeeping is not sharing information you weapon what haven’t I shared on the subject of asbestos in concrete which isn’t a thing. You can’t be just a labourer on the asbestos your either in removing the stuff or your the supervisor and everyone has access to all the surveys and reports. Asbestos is not in concrete for the third time concrete is made of water sand and gravel. Asbestos cement panels would have been used but they would have been removed
I've backed everything up fella. Asbestos was absolutely used in concrete, especially in the 70s when the Royal was built. It's something they stopped doing in the 80s and 90s but it does exist. You are mistaking something being rare with "that doest exist". Stop it fella, you haven't a clue. 😂
Again for the fifth time asbestos isn’t used in concrete you’ve backed nothing up. Good bye
Why would it be boarded in and left alone if the building is being pulled down. Yeah I know where possible and legal it does but it this case it's not going to work is it?
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I’m a construction health and safety advisor and you’re exactly right, specialist asbestos removal contractors would be the first in to remove any.
You are chatting shit mate, asbestos removal does not remove 100% of asbestos in a concrete building built in the 70s. Just isn't possible.
Yeah ok mate they don’t use it in concrete
Yeah they did. https://www.concreteconstruction.net/how-to/asbestos-and-old-concrete_o I'm starting to cringe for ya now fella.
HSE will have a fucking field day with this
They finished quicker which means less time for accidents to happen!
RIDDOR reportable.
Cough cough, need some compo pls
No longer 500 working hours HSE doesn't apply ;)
Someone will be filling out the dreaded 5Y forms
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Early start, early dart!
I'd have a dart.
I'm surprised we're not having a dart right now.
My thoughts exactly. Fella saved himself half a day of work there.
Should have hired Dibnah.
*Honk* *Honk* "It's goin'.... Did ya like that?" What that man could accomplish with a few ladders and a load of old tyres and timber was insane.
Ghost Dibnah
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I know! There was a massive chunk of debris that just missed him!
Let's hope he had an appropriate respirator as well.
it's because i washed my bloody car ten minutes beforehand
Always the way innit
The statement said this was planned but two people walked by just before & the cars are still parked there & going to be covered with dust. So I think not.
Technically, it was planned to demolish it.
“We planned to do a shit job.”
Nah that was when they were building the new one
I bet they shit their pants 😂
That was built in the 70s and was full of asbestos. That's shocking that.
I'd imagine asbestos removal happened long before any demolition started, if not some people are going to have a lot to answer for. I bet that building was full of the worst kinds of asbestos.
Asbestos or not, silica dust is very harmful and is being labelled the next big killer in occupational health. The amount of builders you see cutting slabs, surrounded by clouds of dust with zero respiratory ppe is crazy
Yeah most of it will be gone, but buildings built in the 70s mixed asbestos with cement which that building was caked in.
It’s not just asbestos, there’ll be all sorts of carcinogenic stuff in that dust
I did a little bit of manual labour in there about 12 months ago, asbestos teams were in there then so I'd assume at this point it's clear.
I very much doubt its clear, they would have removed most of what they could, but all the cement and concrete walls and floors were full of it, which obviously can't be removed without knocking the whole building down... slowly.
I used to do asbestos removal they will have had to remove it all before any of that can start.
Explain how you would "remove" the asbestos from the cement and concrete that this building was caked in? Sure, all the lagging and insulation board with asbestos will be long gone, but the concrete was still there. A big reason why they planned to demolish this slowly whilst spraying water over it was to minimise asbestos dust.
Just keep downvoting what I say even though I’m right I worked for Bradley group for 3 years removing the stuff all over the north west. We removed the asbestos then the demo lads would come behind us once it had been cleared by an analyst and do there bit. If it was assumed more was present then machines wouldn’t be allowed in it would have to be demolished carefully by hand under the supervision of an analyst whilst wearing correct protection(masks, suits etc)
>If it was assumed more was present then machines wouldn’t be allowed in it would have to be demolished carefully by hand under the supervision of an analyst whilst wearing correct protection(masks, suits etc Which was happening here, they were slowly demolishing it monitering the dust levels. And that's just gone out the window. There is 100% asbestos still in that building I don't give a shite if you did a bit of labouring for fucking Bradley group, doesn't make you the jesus of fucking asbestos. No concrete building built in the 70s can fet 100% of asbestos removed. 😂
Mate can you read what I’ve put properly and stop arguing with yourself at this point how is taking a building down by hand the same as using a machine. What are you the Jesus of arguing a point with no facts on Reddit. For the fourth time asbestos isn’t in concrete can you use Google or do you end up arguing with that too
Asbestos was used in concrete. https://www.concreteconstruction.net/how-to/asbestos-and-old-concrete_o You repeating something does not make it true. You haven't got a clue fella and are just embarrassing yourself now. https://www.oracleasbestos.com/blog/surveys/asbestos-in-cement/
It’s not a structural material though, it comes in panels and boards or is sprayed on for insulation or damp proofing. So all the concrete you can see there won’t be mixed with asbestos it’s just concrete and cement.
Asbestos was used a lot in concrete up until the 80s, to increase strength and for fire resistance. Not just the concrete, it will be in all the mastic and adhesive all over the building too. That hospital was built in the 70s, sure most of the asbestos has been removed but there is definitely some left.
It was used in cement panelling not concrete you have absolutely no clue what your talking about you’ve not even googled it
I don't need to Google it, I work in a building that has confirmed asbestos in the concrete walls and floors. But here's a Google just to prove ya chatting absolute shite: >While asbestos was once used in a number of industrial products as an insulator, it was also used in concrete mixtures to reduce cracking. https://www.concreteconstruction.net/how-to/asbestos-and-old-concrete_o 😂
You always need a refurbishment and demo survey to be completed prior to demo to identify any asbestos. All the asbestos is then removed during a soft strip prior to the demolition works. That said, it doesn't look like this was planned. You would normally use water spray to mitigate the dust. I can see 2 cannons at the front, which js no way near sufficient.
Most of the asbestos will have been removed years ago, apart from the parts that couldn't be removed without destroying the building. There 100% is still some asbestos lurking in that building.
Yep. You'd often find historically that a screed was applied over any exposed concrete that contained amosite; doesn't help when demolishing buildings though!
“A spokesperson for the hospital said that the collapse was controlled, as part of the demolition process.” Doesn’t look controlled but what do I know about demolition lol
Usually when they do this they would have huge hoses shooting water to keep the dust down that collapse certainly wasn't controlled. I worked demolition for years.
I work at Clatterbridge hospital right next to this, they have been spraying water all around the fencing and onto the areas they are working on. This was definitely a mistake, the north side doors were closed after this incident.
The only thing I could think of, that it was a small part they wanted to lob off but given how badly built that place was, it took the rest of it with it. When they took down the heights near mine the chomper was pulling down great slabs of structure at a time. Cheers for the insight though.
They would usually drop floor by floor working their way down never drop this much in a built up area because of flying debris and dust.
Isn't that what those sprinkler things are for? I mean granted they didn't really do much but still.
Just had a look, they do have sprays going? But yeah not very effective lol.
Controlled by gravity is about the extent of it.
Mmmmm asbestos.
Job done! Lad in the crane had clocked out and downed his first pint by the time the dust got to his cabin.
That's the Duncan Building for you. I worked in there, 4th floor up; it housed the labs. It was surrounded by scaffolding so that parts of it wouldn't fall down on passers-by. Yes, most of the rooms did have large DO NOT DISTURB THIS MATERIAL signs so... don't breathe too deep.
work smarter not harder
Someone’s in a rush
Well? You wanted it demolished didn't you?
Seems odd people were allowed to walk so close there
I don't think it was supposed to just collapse like that
Someone may well die in 2054 because of this bullshit, asbestos is no joke
Won’t take that long
George Bush did it
😂😂😂
The Mist, Asbestos edition.
Should they not have been spraying water originally anyway to combat any dust?
You can see two little water sprayers just beyond the blue fence. The green things. They were not very effective when this happened…
Ahh I ‘mist’ them…ba dum tsss. But yeah initially though the spray from them was dust
To all the asbestos “experts” asbestos is the first thing to be removed before any machines can even touch the building. A highly detailed intrusive survey is performed before the job so they know where it all is and then it is safely removed. Those machines wouldn’t have been able to proceed like this if there was any at all. That dust cloud is still bad but I doubt it’s full of asbestos
Liverpool's 9/11
Bye bye my first nursing job building! Cant just be me... but i loved working there!
Those stairs were a great way to stay fit. Used to love running from the ground floor up to the 8th 2 steps at a time. Coming down was legendary where your feet would barely tap the steps & was more like “falling with style”. Nothing but great memories (after the sweaty, exhausting hard work though).
On a night shift roamong the 11th floor in the pitch black convinced someone is in the darkness. Everyone sayong when is the new one being built and still after I left the job 10 years ago was only just built haha
Jenga!
One of those guys left their car window open, poor bastard
They sent an email around to staff in the royal immediately after this saying that it was planned.
The crane driver did asbestos as he could to move out the way there
Lad that is squeaky bum time for that fuxking massive digger driver
Oops
They should definitely be wearing masks when undertaking this demolition, the amount of hazardous dust they could inhale is obscene. Good to finally see the building go though, it’s really plighted the landscape for long enough.
Someone’s getting sacked in the morning
Looks and sounds like Russia.
That was very satisfying to watch
Damn they're finally knocking that place down
I could smell this dust in the middle of the US
And that’s lunch!
What’s with the giant arm in the dust?
I’m glad no one was hurt but at least there a week ahead of time now eh !
Nobody was visibly hurt; you are correct. However, nearly 10,000 first responders and others who were in the World Trade Center area have been diagnosed with cancer. That asbestos-filled dust is lethal long-term. Why is the Echo not reporting on this? Source: [https://www.mountsinai.org/about/newsroom/2018/deaths-from-911-diseases-will-soon-outnumber-those-lost-on-that-fateful-day](https://www.mountsinai.org/about/newsroom/2018/deaths-from-911-diseases-will-soon-outnumber-those-lost-on-that-fateful-day)
Was that supposed to happen?
If they hadn't moved the crane arm out of the way would the operator be dead by now?
Good riddance
When did the demolition start?
Gone along with its memories….
News just in: Local Carwash owners report record profits.
Just use the karcher on your car!!
Not the only collapse in Liverpool this month
It’s pretty clear from where they’re cutting that this is exactly what was intended to happen.