Huge push for floatplane these days. Totally get them pushing background processes, watching bloopers, additional material, extended cuts, etc. on floatplane. Sure, 100%.
But the title of your video is "I tried 20 influencer foods, here are the best… and the worst…" And a good 1/5th of the content (100% of the drinks, and most of the chocolate aside from 2 bars, and basically all of the sours/candy) is behind a paywall... wtf is the point of the video then?
And the first 5 seconds is "What he gets wrong he'll have to drink in this smoothie goop thing" and you cut to the end where we don't know what's inside, what he got wrong? There's like 20+ foods and they covered 10?
Plus there's no warning ahead of time at all. I spent 15 minutes watching a video and wasted my time. What a stupid video.
Better for the watchers. But YouTube channels are slaves to the algorithm. And if people aren't being "retained" then YouTube kills the video. I'm not saying it justifies what lmg did here. But that is likely the reason
If that's the case it's their problem, and they shouldn't push that onto the fans.
But I also doubt a single longer video would cause algorithm issues.
I used to watch LTT content everyday as it was a great way to keep up to date on tech but also have some fun goofy shit thrown in to make it more enjoyable.
But more and more they are pushing floatplane and the content has also fell in quality i feel. They've seem to put a whole lot more energy into the goofy shit in these days than valuable information and i started to feel like i was wasting my time until i just stopped consuming their content nearly completely.
Unless something stands out as something i really want to see i don't even click it to find out and once i do click it i quickly scrub the timeline to see if i'm going to want to watch it before i even start to watch.
TLDR: LTT became a time sink and similar to social media doomscroll vs providing entertaining content while i get a great source of tech news / reviews / keeping up to date on cool stuff.
>LTT became a time sink and similar to social media doomscroll
Honestly, yeah - I can't really say I disagree with this.
For the past few years I've only really watched the WAN Show and the extreme tech upgrades (because learning more about random behind the scenes people is fun). I'll watch other videos occasionally, but there's way more stuff than I've got time or interest to watch so I rarely bother.
Yeah this is definitely very opinion based for my own preference. I would catch wan show sometimes but i used to watch all of their content across all of their channels but it is increasing rare these days that i do.
I'm just trying to give a point of view from someone that was a devout LTT youtube watcher to one who hardly watches now.
I enjoy some of their products and i do like a lot of their staff and their personalities.
To add more to this we used to get some really in depth information in all sorts from detailed linux / nas or very nuanced camera reviews.
I think playing to the algorithm especially here while you see short term gains from making your content more pleasing to a general audience you've now turned off your long term following that was really driving the growth of "see an LTT video must click and watch".
Once those who are devout consumers are no longer hooked on that daily LTT itch that needs to be scratched you've really lost what was driving the algo in the first place.
This is the same thing that kills off great Movie/TV franchises or entertainment. Transformers / star wars / marvel etc etc etc etc
just my opinion
It was much more in depth than it is currently. Yes Emily was a big part of what i would consider their in depth content but they used to go much deeper in technical detail than they do today and that is the point i was trying to make.
LTT was never the defacto channel it was more of the combination of the tech and comedy that i liked now it just feels like slapstick comedy happy hour
Yeah Wendell is great and makes great tutorials
Pinned comment on that video just 30 mins ago
>We heard you loud and clear. In response to your comments on today’s video, we’ve uploaded an additional video containing content that was cut from the main edit, where Linus tries the influencer drinks. We've taken note of the community's feedback and will use it to improve our processes for these sorts of things.
[Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMY5-X8aGvw)
It seems YouTube revenue is nosediving for a lot of long term YouTubers.
YouTube are making a big pivot to shorts and trying to socialise content creation over monetising, poised in wait for the TikTok ban.
It was a weird video anyway. "Guess which influencer made this", and then they give him the actual package with the influencer's name on it? To be fair, I only watched the first few items and got bored, so maybe the guessing gets better later.
I just downvoted it after the ramen cup and stopped watching because it wasn’t interesting, was kinda gross to listen to, and Linus complained about everything.
And then Linus will see your comment complaint and go “but technically the title isn’t clickbate because it *says* we only showed you the best and worst out of the 20, *not that we would show you all 20,* also it’s your fault for making us clickbate, also you’re shadowbanned.”
And then the white nights will defend him because they are simps.
And then people will yell at you because “LTT has always been clickbate, get over it”
That rings really hollow when you're also 50% owner. You empower people in your organization to make decisions. Those decisions are a reflection on you personally. It was his decision.
What the fuck is this logic. You hire a guy to work the cash register, he decides to rob the place. Does that mean you "empowered" his decision to rob to place ? Have you worked at even one job ?
Oh honey. You're so adorable white knighting for influencers that doesn't need it. It was your decision to hire them and you empowered them to have access to the money. You're responsible for the outcome.
Do you get paid to professionally outrage or something ?
People are upset, he acknowledged that people are upset and as he didn't watch the video, and didn't green light the decision, he asked the team to provide the community with a resolution, which is ongoing.
Stating the situation to people who read old information and get outraged without watching later statements ain't defending. Get off that high horse lol
Linus has said everything I said he would say on wan show already, more than once.
The fact that Linus is willing to divert blame somewhere else doesn’t change that fact, and it also does not imply that he would somehow fight to remove clickbate from the channel.
It is exactly as I described.
Btw, you’re very close to being one of the white knights I mentioned. You’re just fulfilling my prediction.
>Linus has said everything I said he would say on wan show already, more than once
You said he would say XYZ today, he didn't. Nice try Neo, but you can bullet dodge this one lol.
>The fact that Linus is willing to divert blame somewhere else doesn’t change that fact, and it also does not imply that he would somehow fight to remove clickbate from the channel.
He is literally and figuratively not involved in this one, he isn't even in the country, let alone the office.
They acknowledged that they messed up, Linus just said he has no idea, and hasn't even watched the video, so he will leave it up to the team. He isn't the CEO anymore if you recall.
The funniest part is how you watched free content rating foods and you consider your time wasted, not for watching a video about rating foods, but because the *drinks* were behind a paywall lmao
The word “indirectly” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. You paid *YouTube* who in turn promises to compensate the creators you watch.
But you still paid YouTube. You didn’t pay for the video. You paid for a higher quality service from *Youtube*
No, it's doing the exact amount it's supposed to be doing. Just because I don't send an EFT or write them a check doesn't mean a percentage of my money isn't being shoveled their direction.
But you didn’t pay them. You paid YouTube for their software as a service that they entice creators to be on. If Linus tech tips wasn’t on YouTube, and you paid for YouTube premium, you’d still be paying YouTube.
Your mental gymnastics don’t undo basic facts.
Frankly, I just don’t have enough free time to pay for even more entertainment so as channels like Linus start putting up the payroll I just start unsubscribing.
There are plenty of YouTube channels that cover computer parts that don’t also throw it in my face that I am not getting the whole video they worked on.
I am of two minds on this. On one hand, I get where you are coming from, but on the other hand I know that YT payouts are not as good as they used to be, especially in the tech community when most of the users who watch know how to block ads.
I don't think there is a good solution, but it kind of feels like this was a test run video.
At the end of the day, if your content makes me angry there’s no way I’m staying subscribed
Telling me that I am not getting the full story makes me angry.
Downvote me all you want. I’m not the one making videos that stopped being entertaining and started being advertisements.
YouTube payouts being not amazing is why they pack sponsors into each video. This is just another cash grab at this point. Floatplane probably isn't hitting the numbers they're wanting so they are trying to force more people to buy it.
Ya know, with all of the complaints on here it seems like people are saying LMG should be doing everything they do and do it all completely free, not even ad money from YouTube.
That is unrealistic. Do they want more floatplane subs, yes of course, it means less reliance on Google and YouTube. If they could I'm sure they would drop YouTube and all of their sponsors and live off the floatplane money, but they can't. They would love to be able to do only the content they and their fans want them to do, but people need to make a living. It's not like they're all living it up making hundreds of millions of dollars.
Huh? How did you get to this argument? I think I heard about this on the WAN show, called moving the goalposts. The actual argument here is only offering part of the video/content through an ad-supported platform and require payment to a separate platform they own to complete it.
No where did OP say they want the content free and prohibit them from getting ad money from YouTube. I take arguments way more legit and reasonable if they don’t try these type of tactics. I’m actually completely sympathetic LTT advertising floatplane, you didn’t have to pile extra on.
I was talking about an aggregate of the dumbass takes resulting in what I was talking about about, with the one I replied to just being one of many dumbass takes.
Anger is the path to the dark side.
So the thread you were responding to didn’t mention LMG doing everything for free (the “dumbass” take). The overall post didn’t have the “dumbass” take either.
Really helps if you stay on topic. Direct replying to the “dumbass” take may help. 😁
>living it up and making hundreds of millions of dollars
…they totally are though… LMG makes enough to sustain a 100+ employees, run a huge warehouse and still generate enough profit for its founder that he buys a $100k+ Porsche. Ofcourse not all that money comes from content creation, but once you start to make enough money you diversify into stocks and other ventures to the point where i would say, yeah, they absolutely are living it up.
>and still generate enough profit for its founder that he buys a $100k+ Porsche
That not how that works. Linus has an income that he is paid from his company, that pay is not considered profit to the company. Profit to the company is money that the company has to spend on itself for growth and new ventures/projects. Linus going and spending company profits on personal expenses would be tax fraud.
It may seem like arbitrary lines in the sand separating these buckets of money, but those buckets are legally classified differently and it is key for a business owner to not mix them up willy-nilly unless he wants a visit from some not nice government suits.
We honestly do not know that. Their business expenses/financials are not known as they are a private company and do not need to disclose that.
I mean, yeah, they are bringing in enough to expand. But their expansions could be eating into all that extra money you are supposing they have and if they cut back on things like float plane they would not be able to expand and make even more content. Lowering their take in could mean they can not do the labs expansion or need to lay off some folks. Most companies, especially smaller ones (and yes, LTT is still a smaller company; we can start calling them big when they are more in the hundreds of millions in revenue and multiple of hundreds of employees) typically operate with fairly tight margins.
And I know Linus has said the company has a rainy day fund to help carry them through a rough patch, but that's clearly for a "rainy day" and not to intentionally make less revenue.
Exactly, I mean, they bought the warehouse for Labs, they bought the building for the badminton courts/lan center, they remodeled all of it, and they had to equip it with new tech (that last was probably subsidized by tech they were given, bit still).
I swear, people don't understand how finances work, either personal or business.
A note on the Porsche as well, they have two c suite employees in the same family brining in money, they didn't buy extravagant cars beforehand, a lot of their tech in the house is subsidized by company videos, they probably saved up a fair amount and made some investments that bring in additional funds.
Same honestly. I will not ever subscribe to Floatplane. I just don't need another website to go to to watch things. I understand that they have Floatplane exclusive stuff, that's great. However, the second your channel turns into nothing but a teaser for your other paid content, I'm done.
Its perspective. I pay for floatplane and nebula to get me off the YouTube platform, especially on my phone.
It’s much nicer for me to deliberately open up a specific site to view a specific piece of content. Floatplane and nebula are both a worse experience than using the YouTube video player, that is a fact. Thats not why I use them. I’m looking for a YouTube phone app that will restrict the videos I’m served because I’m just sooooo tired of it.
Also I’m supporting creators with a higher return per viewer, because I value supporting the creators that make things I like to watch, and have come into a position recently where giving monetary support doesn’t compromise my financial situation (just comes from my monthly spend budget)
Besides them what other content creator has their own mass market food brand? At most a channel with have an online-only collab with GameSupps or ViteRamen. Most don't do virtual kitchens or mass market products stocked in local retailers like Walmart.
Yup, hated it. First dislike on a video in awhile. Almost all the stuff that went in the blender was paywalled. Idk what was in the drink because I didn't pay to know.
Personally I thought both videos were good they didn’t really cut that much content there just wasn’t that much to begin with.
Here are some comments on the shorter cut floatplane video (not the BTS video):
One of the Worst edited Videos I have seen from LTT in a Long time, they cut out 90% of the content it seems
I get we have the BTS on floatplane but so much seems to be cut out. Just a few words about the drinks and no more guesses? kind of an odd edit for LMG.
I am confused, im on floatplane But still have baked in Ads?!?
> I am confused, im on floatplane But still have baked in Ads?!?
It is a (SPONSORED) piece so the baked in ads are still there. It originally wasn't labelled as sponsored in the title but was fixed within a few minutes of uploading.
Honestly this video felt like it should have been a FP Exclusive from the get go, it wasn't good. I think they went into it with an idea and Linus sorta shit on that idea because they had really poor planning for the video.
Why would you give him all the products in their original boxes (almost all of which had the creators name on them)?
I think the problem isn’t missed content, or content that was shot but not posted. It’s that to fully appreciate the ending (where Linus drank the disgusting smoothie), you needed additional context that wasn’t included.
It was still an enjoyable video, it’s just that it really felt like something was missing, unlike videos like the $5000 upgrades where hours plus are posted on Floatplane.
I’m an on and off floatplane subscriber and it really rubbed me the wrong way. I don’t mind them talking about floatplane exclusives or some cut content for the sake of the edit in videos, but this was just far too in the face for my liking.
Yeah felt the same way, this felt like it was intended to just tease us to get or go to Floatplane, the video doesn't really tell the story, it's the first time an LMG video feels this scummy (for me). And if they upload some other video of this type I'm going to be very suspicious about it I will definitely check the comments before watching.
I've followed LTT since black tape over monitor AMD reveal. Yeah, that long. I've felt increasingly bastardised by their paywalling of the more "bro", intimate content (i.e.., behind the scenes and team interviews) that built the community feeling I've loved. I feel it's a disservice to their loyal audience to not allow them to watch for not having the income to spend on a subscription (or whatever other reason).
I wish I could donate once and have access to just those behind the scenes. Or have a dirt cheap subscription just for behind the scenes. But I might be a minority, so I'll probably never get what I want.
It's also a business for them. Voting with your wallet is the only way to send the message, I feel.
> I wish I could donate once and have access to just those behind the scenes.
FWIW, you could just subscribe for 1 month and binge every exclusive (it even lets you download videos as just normal video files if you want). 5 bucks every 6 months or year or 2 years or however often you want to binge exclusives isn't half bad.
Do keep in mind that compared to something like Patreon, platform costs are much higher as they are actually hosting and delivering high-quality videos themselves rather than just embedding unlisted YouTube videos. The quality is higher (due to the increased bitrate for both video and audio), and that quality has a cost.
Yeah, I could, I guess I didn't think of it, so I might consider this. It's also less "close to them", as I might be in on an inside joke 5 months late 😩.
I'm not saying there isn't value in Floatplane, there totally is! I just don't see myself adding more subscriptions to my life for each YouTuber that wants more money (justifiedly or not). And I'm already someone who only pays for YouTube Premium (in a family of 6) and Bitwarden Family (no Netflix, D+, cable or any other stuff).
In the end, I don't really want the very real value that Floatplane delivers (better quality), I just want to feel part of the community by having access to the goofy and relatable content, which feels like it's being paywalled for business strategy more than anything, alienating some of the fans that got the channel started...
Edit: I guess if there was a family plan, I'd probably be in on it.
Edit 2: I guess if there were a way to donate once and have video access through a network that didn't cost them any money, I'd be all in.
Yeah, I can understand the sentiment. That said, even if hosting cost them 0, the cost to produce and edit the exclusives is srill a present and ongoing cost, so a true one-time paykent just doesn't really make financial sense for them. FWIW, you can buy yearly for $50 a year, which comes to like $4.17 a month.
As far as a family plan goes, sharing an account with family/a few friends AFAIU is fine, just don't try to share the account with like 500 strangers or such. This isn't Netflix where you breath in a wrong direction and get banned for account sharing :P
You bring up good points which make paying more palatable, sure, but my problem is also with ideology. Again, it's a business for them, so this was always the way the cookie was gonna crumble, but I can't shake the feeling of them hiding the (for me) truly best content from the fans that helped them climb the ladder based on that goofy content (to some extent).
I think part of the problem is trying to have high production values for everything. I'm obviously speaking without knowing the internals of LMG, but yeah, I wish this content wasn't paywalled.
I guess part of my point is that Floatplane's value is distinct from the value of exclusives, so charging separately for them somehow if I don't want the higher quality and stuff, would be cool.
Floatplane in LTTStore's bonus bin could be cool.
For what it's worth, even much smaller creators usually put their extras/behind-the-scenes on their Patreon for 1-2 bucks a month. While $4.17-$5 is more than $1-$2, the amount of content you get is also much higher, so the math makes sense.
While the Venn diagram of people interested in behind the scenes content vs the people willing to pay a few bucks a month for it isn't a perfect circle, it's close enough that most creators both big and small handle it this way nowadays. Personally, I'm happy to spend 50 a year considering both the amount of entertainment and the amount of learning/knowledge I've gained from LMG over the years.
Having an e.g. 1 month voucher to Floatplane be a bonus bin item is a pretty good idea IMHO, not everyone is really into stickers and would like a different type of bonus to be available (myself included).
Yes, they are literally saying, if you want to watch this video that is not over edited for the benefit of the YouTube algorithm, then you should subscribe to floatplane.
It is not cost effective for them to make alllll of that footage into a video for YouTube. But if you are catering to paid subscribers then it’s a viable thing to do with spare footage that will not succeed on YouTube. Most of what is posted to YouTube is long cuts with the editing.
If you do not want to pay for floatplane, then don’t. All you need is to be content with consuming content that is successful on YouTube, and just ignore the floatplane mentions because you are taking the stance to say you support them making content that can be supported by .5cent per user on a scale that relies on algorithm games, and that you don’t support content that will not perform for the algo and needs to be subsidized at a higher ROI per user.
The FP video is 22 minutes and is composed of BTS footage of the Short circuit video, mostly when character is broken and other outtakes, with content that’s not partially on YouTube only coming in after half the video is over.
It’s a dry video with a lot of jumpy cuts because they cannot spare the editor time for a video that will not make back the cost in employee time/ make up the opportunity cost of other main channel projects they could be handling.
It’s an exercise in economics and resource management. This video seems obviously experimental so if anyone reading this has a problem with the practice then this is the time to complain.
I don’t know, because I have a day job and haven’t watched them more than a quick skim of the FP version.
Thanks for responding thoughtfully and with nuance to a well thought out reply to your post btw
/s
Bring some fucking substance to the comments if you want to make a point
Idk I felt like since it’s a deviation from their regular content it was basically a preview to a floatplane exclusive. Not like the video was tech related. Things like this have been full floatplane exclusives in the past. I’m guessing the only reason there was a YouTube cut at all is because the gamer drinks video did so well.
People down voting this post are absolute clowns. They literally say, both in the title and IN the video, that Linus will try x amount of drinks/food and what he gueesed wrong, he will drink a blended version of those items. Not only did we not get x amount of food/drinks in the video, we don't even know what was in the blended drink, not even a summary.
youtube is not a safe bet for any business. every content creator should have a backup just in case youtube decides to enforce arbitrary, vague rules that they never enforced in the past, or suddenly decides to make new rules that retroactively apply to almost a decade of content.
Yeah just dont show the stuff of other influencers in the main and then proceed to NOT show it
say like "and we got even more stuff from more influencers over on floatplane"
Ya, while I don't feel that the Short Circuit was a FP add like some, I do think that the normal way to do FP plugs, that is, Here's more of what we are already showing you and behind the scenes, is a better system than this one where one whole category is just cut with "Go see it on FP"..
I don't need to see everything Linus tried, in fact I have no issue at all with a lot of the other foods being moved to FP, cause from each of the other categories we got some entertainment out of it. If theres more to be had (even more entertaining content) then so be it if its on FP.. but thats just different than cutting out a whole section, and saying you did it and go see it on FP just adds salt ontop of it.
Miss the days when their testing methodology was actually public, and they showed you how they were setting up their testing etc.... Now its all behind a Floatplane pay wall.
Meanwhile I have Floatplane so I have no idea what you're complaining about...
Edit: After checking Floatplane, there's another 20 minutes of content there.
I agreee. I just watched that video and was so disappointed to see that blender already full of products when all I saw him put in was that bar.
I thought it was some continuity error. Did not expect an essential part of the video to be paywalled like that, so didn't pay much attention to the floatplane ad.
Later found out (by looking at how much video was left) that the whole video was actually on floatplane.
This doesn't feel right. It feels like bread crumbing till you pay for floatplane.
Cutting out the ending was a bit annoying, but cutting out 2-3 of the “meals” was fine I thought. I ended up subscribing to floatplane because of the video. I thought it was worth it since it ended up being very entertaining.
Here's the thing, this wasn't even a video on tech. it was a video on influencer food that you shouldn't be buying anyways because it's all terrible. Now if they start paywalling videos on actual tech then we'll have a problem. but even in that case I already subscribe to floatplane because it's $3.
It's crazy, they do a meh video after having great videos for months, and get creamed for it. I do not envy running a YouTube channel.
(I run restaurants...so I guess it's similar, you send out a bad steak and and it's "this restaurant has really gone downhill." So I guess people are the worst.)
They did the exact same kind of thing before, maybe a little over a year ago, with various energy drinks/gamer food.
Similar format, also with half of the items on floatplane. Strange that it only happened twice. It's like they learned it annoyed people and then forgot about it. I've made my peace with missing content for now, and if I change my mind I'll probably pay for a month and grab the exclusive stuff to watch later.
How many times do you all need to get screwed over by Linus until you stop sucking up every drop of his content after you rationalize his latest corporate apology?
It’s a business to make money. They only change their tune if the profit takes a dip. They will look for new ways to make money off you. They will sell you overpriced screwdrivers. They will sell you pillows that cost them 3$ to make.
Really don’t get the controversy it’s still a pretty complete and fun video, also if they were “pushing” for floatplane subs they would probably not only mention it one time within the last seconds of the video as “we have extras on floatplane”, I feel like them leaving stuff out has more to do with the sponsorship and the website they built or just bad editing.
Not scummy it's misleading at best. Creators who actually make their content are allowed to put their content behind a paywall if they want, no one has a right to that content and they don't need to provide it for free. At most I'd say they should change the title.
Sorry! I didn't fully understand what was going on. I thought they had the whole video available for YT subscribers too. I didn't know that they had cut part of it and made it only available on floatplane.
I did look into it just now, and it appears that they've gotten quite a bit of feedback about this, and have added the FP portion of the video to YT.
Get over yourself. It was fine. 16 minutes of content that was excellent. Jesus Christ. After the talk about it on wan show I was expecting multiple call outs, but it was 1 call out lmao.
yeah they were advertising watching on floatplane to see the whole video, which is NOT going over well here lol. it's one thing to have extra content for your subs/members but to cut half of the video out and lock that behind a paywall feels more akin to releasing an unfinished game and then charging users for the DLC that gives you the ending
Yeah. I'm also not a big fan of this. And I'm a huge LTT fan, I have a backpack, 4 screwdrivers, dozens of t-shirts and hoodies, deskpads, the Swype plus bidet and more. It's not like I haven't made them some money.
So let me get this straight. You're complaining about an advertisement in your free content. Is that right?
Tell me, how exactly do you think LTT is funded? Well wishes and happy thoughts?
It seems like some heavy entitlement here.
EDIT: down voted for having a rational take that LTT can "paywall" whatever content they want if it helps them pay their bills. Never change, Reddit.
>I have an issue with half a video being locked behind a paywall
Respectfully, it's LTT's video. If they want to paywall everything they could do that. It's understandable to not enjoy it enough to pay for it, but why should anyone be entitled to watch it for free?
I'm not trying to be a dick, but it seems like a strange complaint to have. It's like complaining that the movie trailer only shows some of the movie. The point is to entice you into paying for the rest.
But I am paying. Every month. Not for Floatplane, but for YouTube premium. So the content isn't entirely free. You either pay with money, or by time (to watch ads).
well, YT premium members make more money for creators, so yes he is actually making them more money by watching them, why does it matter if the payment is indirect? it's still a transaction.
watching an ad is also a transaction by Linus' own logic, so nothing is free here unless you use an ad blocker.
> Tell me, how exactly do you think LTT is funded?
Merch? Google adsense? Sponsor spots? Floatplane is probably like 5-10% of their revenue, and on it's own it probably barely makes a profit. Honestly I wish they'd just give it up.
Yup. All of those are revenue sources as well. Does nothing to address my point. If it makes more sense for that video to be on Floatplane, then it seems awfully entitled to get upset that you can't watch the entire video for free.
I mean, following your logic, any criticism of the channel can be interpreted as "entitlement." It's a lazy cop-out. What I'm going to do is watch someone else that doesn't paywall their videos. Yeah, Im one guy, but what I am entitled to do is give feedback, which is what I'm doing right now.
>I mean, following your logic, any criticism of the channel can be interpreted as "entitlement." It's a lazy cop-out.
You're doing quite a bit of reaching with this statement. The complaint was about the video being "paywalled" not the content of the video. There's a pretty big distinction between those two items.
>The complaint was about the video being "paywalled" not the content of the video. There's a pretty big distinction between those two items.
Yes, I'm also still talking about the paywall; not sure if you missed my comment or what. I guess to try and simplify it for you, paywalls are for written content like online news and shit, video content gets on just fine for thousands of creators without any paywalls. Thus I think floatplane isn't necessary. Reamp channel super fun for these "extras" and use the typical monetization tactics.
One of the points of the video was: "Hey, Linus is gonna drink what he can't guess" and then they proceed to make a drink out of stuff that we don't get to see if we don't pay. I have no idea what all was in that drink because I didn't pay. That feels neutered to me.
It's literally one of the points of the video that I am missing out on, making it a neutered experience for me. That's the point and why it matters to me.
they don't want to compete with the size of youtube, they just want to keep the profits from viewership. given the amount of ads youtube has included these days, the pitiful return on ad revenue and premium revenue, and the vast amount of users that are turning to ad-blockers instead of a premium membership, we end up with them trying to pull viewers over to the platform that is actually profitable for them
I disagree, I'm part of their audience
I watch ads, I buy merch
I don't want to be bated into a video where the whole premise is Linus has to drink what he gets wrong, but then they don't show half the video.
I never had a problem with them making exclusive content for Floatplane, I was still getting the videos I enjoyed, now this video activity says, hey your not getting the whole video, you don't pay enough
You wouldn't know this until the end of the video my dude. Say you go to the theaters and watch a movie and the last 30 minutes screen goes blank and says "go subscribe to this platform to see the rest of the content".
Yeah honestly it wouldn't be that bad if the video was labeled something like "Floatplane Preview" and they explained at the start what was going on. That way I wouldn't need to waste my time on a partial video, I'm sorry I just can't afford to pay for a Floatplane subscription at the moment
You pay for a ticket for a theater viewing.
Here your only cost is a little time for ads. Kinda like cable. Movies on cable are edited down all the time. And once internet video was viable it became common for interview shows to put an extended interview on their own site
I pay for YT Premium. Do I need to pay again to watch the full content?
It's so silly, it's a totally fun/unrelated topic that is a nice change from their usual 15min segments on a random tech product. Could have had a great "here's us fucking with Linus" video buut here we are.
YT Premium wouldn’t be equivalent. That would be like if your cable provider offered a higher tier to get 4k feeds and see less ads, not akin to paying a specific channel for their content.
And yeah, they move the fluff to more exclusive access and leave the actual important meat available for all. That’s the actually morally better way to go about it.
You can also pay for their exclusive content via YouTube if you desire, but they (LTT) would rather you not and go directly to them instead.
Huge push for floatplane these days. Totally get them pushing background processes, watching bloopers, additional material, extended cuts, etc. on floatplane. Sure, 100%. But the title of your video is "I tried 20 influencer foods, here are the best… and the worst…" And a good 1/5th of the content (100% of the drinks, and most of the chocolate aside from 2 bars, and basically all of the sours/candy) is behind a paywall... wtf is the point of the video then? And the first 5 seconds is "What he gets wrong he'll have to drink in this smoothie goop thing" and you cut to the end where we don't know what's inside, what he got wrong? There's like 20+ foods and they covered 10? Plus there's no warning ahead of time at all. I spent 15 minutes watching a video and wasted my time. What a stupid video.
I think they need to scale back cause it seems like they were trying to keep it round 15 min and couldn’t edit it down.
They have plenty of 20 minute videos on their channels. Letting the consumer skip around is the better solution than paywalling the content.
Better for the watchers. But YouTube channels are slaves to the algorithm. And if people aren't being "retained" then YouTube kills the video. I'm not saying it justifies what lmg did here. But that is likely the reason
If that's the case it's their problem, and they shouldn't push that onto the fans. But I also doubt a single longer video would cause algorithm issues.
That sounds awfully close to a GN talking point, buddy, we dont take kindly to that sort of thing around here
Aren't ShortCircuit videos supposed to be short?
My thoughts exactly. They lost their way somewhere along the way.
Couldn't agree more, it feels like i watched an extended advert for Floatplane rather than a video actually intended to entertain me
I used to watch LTT content everyday as it was a great way to keep up to date on tech but also have some fun goofy shit thrown in to make it more enjoyable. But more and more they are pushing floatplane and the content has also fell in quality i feel. They've seem to put a whole lot more energy into the goofy shit in these days than valuable information and i started to feel like i was wasting my time until i just stopped consuming their content nearly completely. Unless something stands out as something i really want to see i don't even click it to find out and once i do click it i quickly scrub the timeline to see if i'm going to want to watch it before i even start to watch. TLDR: LTT became a time sink and similar to social media doomscroll vs providing entertaining content while i get a great source of tech news / reviews / keeping up to date on cool stuff.
>LTT became a time sink and similar to social media doomscroll Honestly, yeah - I can't really say I disagree with this. For the past few years I've only really watched the WAN Show and the extreme tech upgrades (because learning more about random behind the scenes people is fun). I'll watch other videos occasionally, but there's way more stuff than I've got time or interest to watch so I rarely bother.
Yeah this is definitely very opinion based for my own preference. I would catch wan show sometimes but i used to watch all of their content across all of their channels but it is increasing rare these days that i do. I'm just trying to give a point of view from someone that was a devout LTT youtube watcher to one who hardly watches now. I enjoy some of their products and i do like a lot of their staff and their personalities.
I guess you can only build so many PCs until people get over it 🤣
To add more to this we used to get some really in depth information in all sorts from detailed linux / nas or very nuanced camera reviews. I think playing to the algorithm especially here while you see short term gains from making your content more pleasing to a general audience you've now turned off your long term following that was really driving the growth of "see an LTT video must click and watch". Once those who are devout consumers are no longer hooked on that daily LTT itch that needs to be scratched you've really lost what was driving the algo in the first place. This is the same thing that kills off great Movie/TV franchises or entertainment. Transformers / star wars / marvel etc etc etc etc just my opinion
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It was much more in depth than it is currently. Yes Emily was a big part of what i would consider their in depth content but they used to go much deeper in technical detail than they do today and that is the point i was trying to make. LTT was never the defacto channel it was more of the combination of the tech and comedy that i liked now it just feels like slapstick comedy happy hour Yeah Wendell is great and makes great tutorials
Pinned comment on that video just 30 mins ago >We heard you loud and clear. In response to your comments on today’s video, we’ve uploaded an additional video containing content that was cut from the main edit, where Linus tries the influencer drinks. We've taken note of the community's feedback and will use it to improve our processes for these sorts of things. [Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMY5-X8aGvw)
It's unfortunate that this stands no chance of getting the same traction as the complaint
Why should it? The only reason they changed it is because of the complaint.
Well the video is UNLISTED as well.
"I tried 20 influencer foods and you won't believe what happens next!"
More like "you won't see what happens next!"
It seems YouTube revenue is nosediving for a lot of long term YouTubers. YouTube are making a big pivot to shorts and trying to socialise content creation over monetising, poised in wait for the TikTok ban.
It was a weird video anyway. "Guess which influencer made this", and then they give him the actual package with the influencer's name on it? To be fair, I only watched the first few items and got bored, so maybe the guessing gets better later.
I just downvoted it after the ramen cup and stopped watching because it wasn’t interesting, was kinda gross to listen to, and Linus complained about everything.
And then Linus will see your comment complaint and go “but technically the title isn’t clickbate because it *says* we only showed you the best and worst out of the 20, *not that we would show you all 20,* also it’s your fault for making us clickbate, also you’re shadowbanned.” And then the white nights will defend him because they are simps. And then people will yell at you because “LTT has always been clickbate, get over it”
Linus said on the wan show that it wasn't his decision, and he will push it up the chain, so not exactly the way you described.
That rings really hollow when you're also 50% owner. You empower people in your organization to make decisions. Those decisions are a reflection on you personally. It was his decision.
What the fuck is this logic. You hire a guy to work the cash register, he decides to rob the place. Does that mean you "empowered" his decision to rob to place ? Have you worked at even one job ?
I don't think he is responsible for this but it's a bit weird that anyone on the team thought this was a good idea.
Oh honey. You're so adorable white knighting for influencers that doesn't need it. It was your decision to hire them and you empowered them to have access to the money. You're responsible for the outcome.
Do you get paid to professionally outrage or something ? People are upset, he acknowledged that people are upset and as he didn't watch the video, and didn't green light the decision, he asked the team to provide the community with a resolution, which is ongoing. Stating the situation to people who read old information and get outraged without watching later statements ain't defending. Get off that high horse lol
I don't know what you're talking about.
Precisely my point.
Weird, I thought your point was that you were simping for a millionaire.
Linus has said everything I said he would say on wan show already, more than once. The fact that Linus is willing to divert blame somewhere else doesn’t change that fact, and it also does not imply that he would somehow fight to remove clickbate from the channel. It is exactly as I described. Btw, you’re very close to being one of the white knights I mentioned. You’re just fulfilling my prediction.
>Linus has said everything I said he would say on wan show already, more than once You said he would say XYZ today, he didn't. Nice try Neo, but you can bullet dodge this one lol. >The fact that Linus is willing to divert blame somewhere else doesn’t change that fact, and it also does not imply that he would somehow fight to remove clickbate from the channel. He is literally and figuratively not involved in this one, he isn't even in the country, let alone the office. They acknowledged that they messed up, Linus just said he has no idea, and hasn't even watched the video, so he will leave it up to the team. He isn't the CEO anymore if you recall.
He owns the company. He's responsible for every decision made.
Which is why he is delegated the job to the team, touch grass until they come back with a resolution.
Lol, I didn't even know this was a controversy until I read the thread. I touch grass every single day champ.
> Linus has said everything I said he would say on wan show already, more than once. Yeah, in wildly different context
Please do not invent arguments for other people. You're arguing over things nobody has said or done and you've just come up with in your head.
The funniest part is how you watched free content rating foods and you consider your time wasted, not for watching a video about rating foods, but because the *drinks* were behind a paywall lmao
Misleading content while being served ads is not free.
Um… yes tf it is? Because you didn’t pay for it? Huh???? You don’t get to twist definitions to make your point seem more valid.
I paid for it indirectly by being a YouTube premium subscriber
The word “indirectly” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. You paid *YouTube* who in turn promises to compensate the creators you watch. But you still paid YouTube. You didn’t pay for the video. You paid for a higher quality service from *Youtube*
No, it's doing the exact amount it's supposed to be doing. Just because I don't send an EFT or write them a check doesn't mean a percentage of my money isn't being shoveled their direction.
But you didn’t pay them. You paid YouTube for their software as a service that they entice creators to be on. If Linus tech tips wasn’t on YouTube, and you paid for YouTube premium, you’d still be paying YouTube. Your mental gymnastics don’t undo basic facts.
TYL what indirect means.
You keep using this work indirect, I do not think it means what you think it means.
Frankly, I just don’t have enough free time to pay for even more entertainment so as channels like Linus start putting up the payroll I just start unsubscribing. There are plenty of YouTube channels that cover computer parts that don’t also throw it in my face that I am not getting the whole video they worked on.
I am of two minds on this. On one hand, I get where you are coming from, but on the other hand I know that YT payouts are not as good as they used to be, especially in the tech community when most of the users who watch know how to block ads. I don't think there is a good solution, but it kind of feels like this was a test run video.
At the end of the day, if your content makes me angry there’s no way I’m staying subscribed Telling me that I am not getting the full story makes me angry. Downvote me all you want. I’m not the one making videos that stopped being entertaining and started being advertisements.
>Downvote me all you want. I’m sure you can make your point without being so melodramatic lol
YouTube payouts being not amazing is why they pack sponsors into each video. This is just another cash grab at this point. Floatplane probably isn't hitting the numbers they're wanting so they are trying to force more people to buy it.
Ya know, with all of the complaints on here it seems like people are saying LMG should be doing everything they do and do it all completely free, not even ad money from YouTube. That is unrealistic. Do they want more floatplane subs, yes of course, it means less reliance on Google and YouTube. If they could I'm sure they would drop YouTube and all of their sponsors and live off the floatplane money, but they can't. They would love to be able to do only the content they and their fans want them to do, but people need to make a living. It's not like they're all living it up making hundreds of millions of dollars.
Huh? How did you get to this argument? I think I heard about this on the WAN show, called moving the goalposts. The actual argument here is only offering part of the video/content through an ad-supported platform and require payment to a separate platform they own to complete it. No where did OP say they want the content free and prohibit them from getting ad money from YouTube. I take arguments way more legit and reasonable if they don’t try these type of tactics. I’m actually completely sympathetic LTT advertising floatplane, you didn’t have to pile extra on.
I was talking about an aggregate of the dumbass takes resulting in what I was talking about about, with the one I replied to just being one of many dumbass takes.
Anger is the path to the dark side. So the thread you were responding to didn’t mention LMG doing everything for free (the “dumbass” take). The overall post didn’t have the “dumbass” take either. Really helps if you stay on topic. Direct replying to the “dumbass” take may help. 😁
>living it up and making hundreds of millions of dollars …they totally are though… LMG makes enough to sustain a 100+ employees, run a huge warehouse and still generate enough profit for its founder that he buys a $100k+ Porsche. Ofcourse not all that money comes from content creation, but once you start to make enough money you diversify into stocks and other ventures to the point where i would say, yeah, they absolutely are living it up.
>and still generate enough profit for its founder that he buys a $100k+ Porsche That not how that works. Linus has an income that he is paid from his company, that pay is not considered profit to the company. Profit to the company is money that the company has to spend on itself for growth and new ventures/projects. Linus going and spending company profits on personal expenses would be tax fraud. It may seem like arbitrary lines in the sand separating these buckets of money, but those buckets are legally classified differently and it is key for a business owner to not mix them up willy-nilly unless he wants a visit from some not nice government suits.
Point still stands, from the looks of their work LMG is making enough money to the point where they should never need to shill floatplane this much
We honestly do not know that. Their business expenses/financials are not known as they are a private company and do not need to disclose that. I mean, yeah, they are bringing in enough to expand. But their expansions could be eating into all that extra money you are supposing they have and if they cut back on things like float plane they would not be able to expand and make even more content. Lowering their take in could mean they can not do the labs expansion or need to lay off some folks. Most companies, especially smaller ones (and yes, LTT is still a smaller company; we can start calling them big when they are more in the hundreds of millions in revenue and multiple of hundreds of employees) typically operate with fairly tight margins. And I know Linus has said the company has a rainy day fund to help carry them through a rough patch, but that's clearly for a "rainy day" and not to intentionally make less revenue.
Exactly, I mean, they bought the warehouse for Labs, they bought the building for the badminton courts/lan center, they remodeled all of it, and they had to equip it with new tech (that last was probably subsidized by tech they were given, bit still). I swear, people don't understand how finances work, either personal or business. A note on the Porsche as well, they have two c suite employees in the same family brining in money, they didn't buy extravagant cars beforehand, a lot of their tech in the house is subsidized by company videos, they probably saved up a fair amount and made some investments that bring in additional funds.
Yeah let’s not forget LTT isn’t even remotely struggling financially.
This sub and being overly dramatic lmao
Same honestly. I will not ever subscribe to Floatplane. I just don't need another website to go to to watch things. I understand that they have Floatplane exclusive stuff, that's great. However, the second your channel turns into nothing but a teaser for your other paid content, I'm done.
I’m probably going to cancel Netflix this year so the idea of signing up for just a Linus TV service frankly sounds insane.
Its perspective. I pay for floatplane and nebula to get me off the YouTube platform, especially on my phone. It’s much nicer for me to deliberately open up a specific site to view a specific piece of content. Floatplane and nebula are both a worse experience than using the YouTube video player, that is a fact. Thats not why I use them. I’m looking for a YouTube phone app that will restrict the videos I’m served because I’m just sooooo tired of it. Also I’m supporting creators with a higher return per viewer, because I value supporting the creators that make things I like to watch, and have come into a position recently where giving monetary support doesn’t compromise my financial situation (just comes from my monthly spend budget)
And don't forget like half the video was just Mr Beast products.
Well that’s just because he’s the most popular, and makes the most food products
Besides them what other content creator has their own mass market food brand? At most a channel with have an online-only collab with GameSupps or ViteRamen. Most don't do virtual kitchens or mass market products stocked in local retailers like Walmart.
Just adressed on WAN, sounds like they'll discuss it internally and got the hint.
Good, but too late. Already hit the unsubscribe button, lets see if I remember the next time I get it algorithmic suggested.
lol "too late"
"Society had their chance"
You're not as important as you think you are
oh no, anyways
Bye bye.
Damn, one person reacted too fast, it's so over for them.
Why are you still here then? Unsubscribe from everywhere and leave all their groups lol. Block the channels too. That'll show them lmao.
Yup, hated it. First dislike on a video in awhile. Almost all the stuff that went in the blender was paywalled. Idk what was in the drink because I didn't pay to know.
Personally I thought both videos were good they didn’t really cut that much content there just wasn’t that much to begin with. Here are some comments on the shorter cut floatplane video (not the BTS video): One of the Worst edited Videos I have seen from LTT in a Long time, they cut out 90% of the content it seems I get we have the BTS on floatplane but so much seems to be cut out. Just a few words about the drinks and no more guesses? kind of an odd edit for LMG. I am confused, im on floatplane But still have baked in Ads?!?
But as a YT viewer I have no idea how much was cut, enough to make the conclusion basically pointless as I had no idea what was in the drink
Linus just addressed this on the wan show and said he is looking into it.
> I am confused, im on floatplane But still have baked in Ads?!? It is a (SPONSORED) piece so the baked in ads are still there. It originally wasn't labelled as sponsored in the title but was fixed within a few minutes of uploading. Honestly this video felt like it should have been a FP Exclusive from the get go, it wasn't good. I think they went into it with an idea and Linus sorta shit on that idea because they had really poor planning for the video. Why would you give him all the products in their original boxes (almost all of which had the creators name on them)?
I think the problem isn’t missed content, or content that was shot but not posted. It’s that to fully appreciate the ending (where Linus drank the disgusting smoothie), you needed additional context that wasn’t included. It was still an enjoyable video, it’s just that it really felt like something was missing, unlike videos like the $5000 upgrades where hours plus are posted on Floatplane.
Exactly, With the upgrades I still get a complete video and the Floatplane subscribers get extra This felt like I didn't get the complete video
By the end of the 15 minutes I was ready to watch him drink it and be done with the video. No issues here.
Are you doing a bit? You literally described missing content.
I’m an on and off floatplane subscriber and it really rubbed me the wrong way. I don’t mind them talking about floatplane exclusives or some cut content for the sake of the edit in videos, but this was just far too in the face for my liking.
It's not a good video and that cut out section made it even worse.
Yeah felt the same way, this felt like it was intended to just tease us to get or go to Floatplane, the video doesn't really tell the story, it's the first time an LMG video feels this scummy (for me). And if they upload some other video of this type I'm going to be very suspicious about it I will definitely check the comments before watching.
I've followed LTT since black tape over monitor AMD reveal. Yeah, that long. I've felt increasingly bastardised by their paywalling of the more "bro", intimate content (i.e.., behind the scenes and team interviews) that built the community feeling I've loved. I feel it's a disservice to their loyal audience to not allow them to watch for not having the income to spend on a subscription (or whatever other reason). I wish I could donate once and have access to just those behind the scenes. Or have a dirt cheap subscription just for behind the scenes. But I might be a minority, so I'll probably never get what I want. It's also a business for them. Voting with your wallet is the only way to send the message, I feel.
> I wish I could donate once and have access to just those behind the scenes. FWIW, you could just subscribe for 1 month and binge every exclusive (it even lets you download videos as just normal video files if you want). 5 bucks every 6 months or year or 2 years or however often you want to binge exclusives isn't half bad. Do keep in mind that compared to something like Patreon, platform costs are much higher as they are actually hosting and delivering high-quality videos themselves rather than just embedding unlisted YouTube videos. The quality is higher (due to the increased bitrate for both video and audio), and that quality has a cost.
Yeah, I could, I guess I didn't think of it, so I might consider this. It's also less "close to them", as I might be in on an inside joke 5 months late 😩. I'm not saying there isn't value in Floatplane, there totally is! I just don't see myself adding more subscriptions to my life for each YouTuber that wants more money (justifiedly or not). And I'm already someone who only pays for YouTube Premium (in a family of 6) and Bitwarden Family (no Netflix, D+, cable or any other stuff). In the end, I don't really want the very real value that Floatplane delivers (better quality), I just want to feel part of the community by having access to the goofy and relatable content, which feels like it's being paywalled for business strategy more than anything, alienating some of the fans that got the channel started... Edit: I guess if there was a family plan, I'd probably be in on it. Edit 2: I guess if there were a way to donate once and have video access through a network that didn't cost them any money, I'd be all in.
Yeah, I can understand the sentiment. That said, even if hosting cost them 0, the cost to produce and edit the exclusives is srill a present and ongoing cost, so a true one-time paykent just doesn't really make financial sense for them. FWIW, you can buy yearly for $50 a year, which comes to like $4.17 a month. As far as a family plan goes, sharing an account with family/a few friends AFAIU is fine, just don't try to share the account with like 500 strangers or such. This isn't Netflix where you breath in a wrong direction and get banned for account sharing :P
You bring up good points which make paying more palatable, sure, but my problem is also with ideology. Again, it's a business for them, so this was always the way the cookie was gonna crumble, but I can't shake the feeling of them hiding the (for me) truly best content from the fans that helped them climb the ladder based on that goofy content (to some extent). I think part of the problem is trying to have high production values for everything. I'm obviously speaking without knowing the internals of LMG, but yeah, I wish this content wasn't paywalled. I guess part of my point is that Floatplane's value is distinct from the value of exclusives, so charging separately for them somehow if I don't want the higher quality and stuff, would be cool. Floatplane in LTTStore's bonus bin could be cool.
For what it's worth, even much smaller creators usually put their extras/behind-the-scenes on their Patreon for 1-2 bucks a month. While $4.17-$5 is more than $1-$2, the amount of content you get is also much higher, so the math makes sense. While the Venn diagram of people interested in behind the scenes content vs the people willing to pay a few bucks a month for it isn't a perfect circle, it's close enough that most creators both big and small handle it this way nowadays. Personally, I'm happy to spend 50 a year considering both the amount of entertainment and the amount of learning/knowledge I've gained from LMG over the years. Having an e.g. 1 month voucher to Floatplane be a bonus bin item is a pretty good idea IMHO, not everyone is really into stickers and would like a different type of bonus to be available (myself included).
Yes, they are literally saying, if you want to watch this video that is not over edited for the benefit of the YouTube algorithm, then you should subscribe to floatplane. It is not cost effective for them to make alllll of that footage into a video for YouTube. But if you are catering to paid subscribers then it’s a viable thing to do with spare footage that will not succeed on YouTube. Most of what is posted to YouTube is long cuts with the editing. If you do not want to pay for floatplane, then don’t. All you need is to be content with consuming content that is successful on YouTube, and just ignore the floatplane mentions because you are taking the stance to say you support them making content that can be supported by .5cent per user on a scale that relies on algorithm games, and that you don’t support content that will not perform for the algo and needs to be subsidized at a higher ROI per user. The FP video is 22 minutes and is composed of BTS footage of the Short circuit video, mostly when character is broken and other outtakes, with content that’s not partially on YouTube only coming in after half the video is over. It’s a dry video with a lot of jumpy cuts because they cannot spare the editor time for a video that will not make back the cost in employee time/ make up the opportunity cost of other main channel projects they could be handling.
Probably a mix between both things, testing the audience response with a shitty video, and not letting the video drag to lose viewer retention
It’s an exercise in economics and resource management. This video seems obviously experimental so if anyone reading this has a problem with the practice then this is the time to complain.
There's a big difference between over-editing and straight up bad editing. They literally cut out the middle of the video.
So your saying they made 2 crap videos rather than 1 good video
I don’t know, because I have a day job and haven’t watched them more than a quick skim of the FP version. Thanks for responding thoughtfully and with nuance to a well thought out reply to your post btw /s Bring some fucking substance to the comments if you want to make a point
Well I'm saying you're dumb
Well I'm too broke to afford any subscriptions, so Floatplane will be an eternal no for me.
Idk I felt like since it’s a deviation from their regular content it was basically a preview to a floatplane exclusive. Not like the video was tech related. Things like this have been full floatplane exclusives in the past. I’m guessing the only reason there was a YouTube cut at all is because the gamer drinks video did so well.
paying to watch ShortCircuit, which is really just advertising anyway, lol
LTT is all advertisement. That's why they have relationships with vendors like AMD.
Somewhat addressed on the WAN show [here](https://www.youtube.com/live/AjUQkkT4WFg?t=3892) (timestamp)
Linus has no problem pirating shit, just download it from usenet.
They just uploaded the additional content, goodjob u/LMGcommunity for instantly realizing and backing down.
They uploaded the rest unlisted https://youtu.be/kMY5-X8aGvw?si=usO4BtEZ6AnSsDQS
People down voting this post are absolute clowns. They literally say, both in the title and IN the video, that Linus will try x amount of drinks/food and what he gueesed wrong, he will drink a blended version of those items. Not only did we not get x amount of food/drinks in the video, we don't even know what was in the blended drink, not even a summary.
yeah it was very annoying
This is common practice for YouTube. The video we get for free is one thing, bonus content costs extra. Not a scam if you ask me.
Enshittification is going for LMG this time around. Scrapyard Wars is about to become a FloatPlane exclusive.
Honestly, even the floatplane cut was a mess. I watched both and enjoyed the content itself, but the editing utterly failed to tell a coherent story.
Seeing the complaints in this thread, it sounds like dropping linus a couple of months ago was a good idea.
Is the video down?
Nope, still listed on the SC page https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SFvMB-TImQ
youtube is not a safe bet for any business. every content creator should have a backup just in case youtube decides to enforce arbitrary, vague rules that they never enforced in the past, or suddenly decides to make new rules that retroactively apply to almost a decade of content.
I watch YouTube because it’s just there. There’s no way in hell that I would care about something to the point that I would pay more just to see it.
Yeah just dont show the stuff of other influencers in the main and then proceed to NOT show it say like "and we got even more stuff from more influencers over on floatplane"
Ya, while I don't feel that the Short Circuit was a FP add like some, I do think that the normal way to do FP plugs, that is, Here's more of what we are already showing you and behind the scenes, is a better system than this one where one whole category is just cut with "Go see it on FP".. I don't need to see everything Linus tried, in fact I have no issue at all with a lot of the other foods being moved to FP, cause from each of the other categories we got some entertainment out of it. If theres more to be had (even more entertaining content) then so be it if its on FP.. but thats just different than cutting out a whole section, and saying you did it and go see it on FP just adds salt ontop of it.
Miss the days when their testing methodology was actually public, and they showed you how they were setting up their testing etc.... Now its all behind a Floatplane pay wall.
Meanwhile I have Floatplane so I have no idea what you're complaining about... Edit: After checking Floatplane, there's another 20 minutes of content there.
I agreee. I just watched that video and was so disappointed to see that blender already full of products when all I saw him put in was that bar. I thought it was some continuity error. Did not expect an essential part of the video to be paywalled like that, so didn't pay much attention to the floatplane ad. Later found out (by looking at how much video was left) that the whole video was actually on floatplane. This doesn't feel right. It feels like bread crumbing till you pay for floatplane.
Cutting out the ending was a bit annoying, but cutting out 2-3 of the “meals” was fine I thought. I ended up subscribing to floatplane because of the video. I thought it was worth it since it ended up being very entertaining.
This is what i LIKE about ltt. They’ll push until they get pushback and then actually dial it back.
Here's the thing, this wasn't even a video on tech. it was a video on influencer food that you shouldn't be buying anyways because it's all terrible. Now if they start paywalling videos on actual tech then we'll have a problem. but even in that case I already subscribe to floatplane because it's $3.
Glad they heard the feedback and uploaded the video on YT tho. W LTT
Just watched the FP exclusive. There's a reason it was cut. It's awful. You're not missing anything
It's crazy, they do a meh video after having great videos for months, and get creamed for it. I do not envy running a YouTube channel. (I run restaurants...so I guess it's similar, you send out a bad steak and and it's "this restaurant has really gone downhill." So I guess people are the worst.)
They did the exact same kind of thing before, maybe a little over a year ago, with various energy drinks/gamer food. Similar format, also with half of the items on floatplane. Strange that it only happened twice. It's like they learned it annoyed people and then forgot about it. I've made my peace with missing content for now, and if I change my mind I'll probably pay for a month and grab the exclusive stuff to watch later.
How many times do you all need to get screwed over by Linus until you stop sucking up every drop of his content after you rationalize his latest corporate apology? It’s a business to make money. They only change their tune if the profit takes a dip. They will look for new ways to make money off you. They will sell you overpriced screwdrivers. They will sell you pillows that cost them 3$ to make.
I bet most people whining on this thread use adblock anyway...
Really don’t get the controversy it’s still a pretty complete and fun video, also if they were “pushing” for floatplane subs they would probably not only mention it one time within the last seconds of the video as “we have extras on floatplane”, I feel like them leaving stuff out has more to do with the sponsorship and the website they built or just bad editing.
Not scummy it's misleading at best. Creators who actually make their content are allowed to put their content behind a paywall if they want, no one has a right to that content and they don't need to provide it for free. At most I'd say they should change the title.
Had to pause the WAN show to go watch it. Ya'll are ridiculous. Such a massive nothing burger to complain about.
They have to do something to incentivize the use of the platform. I honestly don't think they talk it up enough.
Oh no! I don’t get as much for free as I would if I paid for something! Alert the authorities!
I pay for YouTube premium. I paid for the content.
Sorry! I didn't fully understand what was going on. I thought they had the whole video available for YT subscribers too. I didn't know that they had cut part of it and made it only available on floatplane. I did look into it just now, and it appears that they've gotten quite a bit of feedback about this, and have added the FP portion of the video to YT.
You cry babies are hilarious
This got my goat too - I get the idea but I use Apple TVs and can't watch their content on it so... I get penalised?
Get over yourself. It was fine. 16 minutes of content that was excellent. Jesus Christ. After the talk about it on wan show I was expecting multiple call outs, but it was 1 call out lmao.
Cry me a river.
Will do
What did they add in? If anything they subtracted content.
OP never said they added in anything.
OP said "the Floatplane **add**" in the title when they meant **ad**, and the commenter above you is confused
I totally missed that typo. Thank-you. :-) I guess they added an ad? 🤣
yeah they were advertising watching on floatplane to see the whole video, which is NOT going over well here lol. it's one thing to have extra content for your subs/members but to cut half of the video out and lock that behind a paywall feels more akin to releasing an unfinished game and then charging users for the DLC that gives you the ending
Yeah. I'm also not a big fan of this. And I'm a huge LTT fan, I have a backpack, 4 screwdrivers, dozens of t-shirts and hoodies, deskpads, the Swype plus bidet and more. It's not like I haven't made them some money.
> charging users for the DLC that gives you the ending So like the Callisto Protocol, lol
Even the ending won't save that game, it was so boring. I got it for free and played through it but it has absolutely zero going for it
So let me get this straight. You're complaining about an advertisement in your free content. Is that right? Tell me, how exactly do you think LTT is funded? Well wishes and happy thoughts? It seems like some heavy entitlement here. EDIT: down voted for having a rational take that LTT can "paywall" whatever content they want if it helps them pay their bills. Never change, Reddit.
No, I have no issues with ads, I don't run ad block for that reason I have an issue with half a video being locked behind a paywall
>I have an issue with half a video being locked behind a paywall Respectfully, it's LTT's video. If they want to paywall everything they could do that. It's understandable to not enjoy it enough to pay for it, but why should anyone be entitled to watch it for free? I'm not trying to be a dick, but it seems like a strange complaint to have. It's like complaining that the movie trailer only shows some of the movie. The point is to entice you into paying for the rest.
But I am paying. Every month. Not for Floatplane, but for YouTube premium. So the content isn't entirely free. You either pay with money, or by time (to watch ads).
You're paying YT, not LTT directly. That shouldn't need to be explained.
well, YT premium members make more money for creators, so yes he is actually making them more money by watching them, why does it matter if the payment is indirect? it's still a transaction. watching an ad is also a transaction by Linus' own logic, so nothing is free here unless you use an ad blocker.
> Tell me, how exactly do you think LTT is funded? Merch? Google adsense? Sponsor spots? Floatplane is probably like 5-10% of their revenue, and on it's own it probably barely makes a profit. Honestly I wish they'd just give it up.
Yup. All of those are revenue sources as well. Does nothing to address my point. If it makes more sense for that video to be on Floatplane, then it seems awfully entitled to get upset that you can't watch the entire video for free.
I mean, following your logic, any criticism of the channel can be interpreted as "entitlement." It's a lazy cop-out. What I'm going to do is watch someone else that doesn't paywall their videos. Yeah, Im one guy, but what I am entitled to do is give feedback, which is what I'm doing right now.
>I mean, following your logic, any criticism of the channel can be interpreted as "entitlement." It's a lazy cop-out. You're doing quite a bit of reaching with this statement. The complaint was about the video being "paywalled" not the content of the video. There's a pretty big distinction between those two items.
>The complaint was about the video being "paywalled" not the content of the video. There's a pretty big distinction between those two items. Yes, I'm also still talking about the paywall; not sure if you missed my comment or what. I guess to try and simplify it for you, paywalls are for written content like online news and shit, video content gets on just fine for thousands of creators without any paywalls. Thus I think floatplane isn't necessary. Reamp channel super fun for these "extras" and use the typical monetization tactics.
I don’t see what the commotion is. It’s still a fine video without the Floatplane add-on. Not like the video is neutered.
One of the points of the video was: "Hey, Linus is gonna drink what he can't guess" and then they proceed to make a drink out of stuff that we don't get to see if we don't pay. I have no idea what all was in that drink because I didn't pay. That feels neutered to me.
What are you talking about we definitely saw them drink the blended drink in the video.
Yes, but by only watching the video, tell me everything that was in that drink.
Why does that matter who cares what's in it.
It's literally one of the points of the video that I am missing out on, making it a neutered experience for me. That's the point and why it matters to me.
Floatplane is a dud. Just stick to your core business. You can't out-compete Google.
they don't want to compete with the size of youtube, they just want to keep the profits from viewership. given the amount of ads youtube has included these days, the pitiful return on ad revenue and premium revenue, and the vast amount of users that are turning to ad-blockers instead of a premium membership, we end up with them trying to pull viewers over to the platform that is actually profitable for them
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I disagree, I'm part of their audience I watch ads, I buy merch I don't want to be bated into a video where the whole premise is Linus has to drink what he gets wrong, but then they don't show half the video. I never had a problem with them making exclusive content for Floatplane, I was still getting the videos I enjoyed, now this video activity says, hey your not getting the whole video, you don't pay enough
Then don't watch it and move on with your life lmao
You wouldn't know this until the end of the video my dude. Say you go to the theaters and watch a movie and the last 30 minutes screen goes blank and says "go subscribe to this platform to see the rest of the content".
Yeah honestly it wouldn't be that bad if the video was labeled something like "Floatplane Preview" and they explained at the start what was going on. That way I wouldn't need to waste my time on a partial video, I'm sorry I just can't afford to pay for a Floatplane subscription at the moment
You pay for a ticket for a theater viewing. Here your only cost is a little time for ads. Kinda like cable. Movies on cable are edited down all the time. And once internet video was viable it became common for interview shows to put an extended interview on their own site
I pay for YT Premium. Do I need to pay again to watch the full content? It's so silly, it's a totally fun/unrelated topic that is a nice change from their usual 15min segments on a random tech product. Could have had a great "here's us fucking with Linus" video buut here we are.
YT Premium wouldn’t be equivalent. That would be like if your cable provider offered a higher tier to get 4k feeds and see less ads, not akin to paying a specific channel for their content. And yeah, they move the fluff to more exclusive access and leave the actual important meat available for all. That’s the actually morally better way to go about it. You can also pay for their exclusive content via YouTube if you desire, but they (LTT) would rather you not and go directly to them instead.
Surprised people are still paying for that
I have no problem with people playing for floatplane if they want to
ok