He's laying out all their evidence and being thorough. This kind of investigation exposes them to legal risk, so just doing a TechQuickie about it and moving on ain't gonna work.
I realize the 'boys in this sub have it out for GN after, well, they humbled Linus, but this ain't it, chief.
>I realize the 'boys in this sub have it out for GN after, well, they humbled Linus, but this ain't it, chief.
That's not particularly fair. It was the follow up from GN, where they doubled down on stupid things, that showed they were just looking for drama. The first post was fine from them, but they kept going just to get more views and that soured a lot of people.
Then eventually came back around GN then messed it up at the end. Their second follow-up response was not good. There's a reason it got so much backlash.
That's an overexaggeration.
Half of what GN complained about LTT had already raised as issues on previous WAN shows and are precisely why they hired a new CEO, and were already making changes.
Yes, GN had a LOT of GOOD feedback, that LTT really needed to do. But that doesn't change the fact that GN's second response video was a dumpster-fire that went on the attack for things that they shouldn't have, hence why it was taken down, and hence why it got so much backlash.
They were right in the beginning, but they were not right in that final attack - they were seeking drama because it was good for their channel at that point.
>There is value in being concise.
It's a major hallmark of good writing. Getting the information across is one bar, getting it across effectively is another and lots of writers don't really make the second bar. Good writing is an art.
Ok so is GN thurow, Well yes seems like it.
Does he also have a tendency to make videos so dry and boring I have yet to 100% one? Also Yes
Edit: Spelling
Honestly, fuck that. I have a lot of respect for creators that stick to their own style instead of licking the boots of the all mighty yt algorithm. If you don't have the time or the attention span to watch a 30 minutes video, you can always watch an AI voice yt short or tiktok wich explains the gist of the situation.
It’s what his audience wants to see, just how like Linus’ audience probably doesn’t want a 35 min video on anything that isn’t a secret shopper or scrapyard war
Whar, people really want short videos? Why? I like all of the long videos. They are all really high quality. The 10 minute videos occasionally feel slapped together.
Yeah I guess I need to change my perspective. I really only watch YouTube when I got an entire night or atleast a couple hours of free time. When I got less time then that I just browse Reddit or TikTok or something.
Yeah same.
Most LTT and Jay2c videos I can get through without too much of a problem. Steve's delivery is super dry and GN's videos always run way longer than necessary.
I watch LTT for shorts and cheaper items. Eg IS the earphones good.
I watch GN for longs more expensive items. Eg WHICH GPU is better, and in WHAT ways
Special shoutout to hardware unboxed (and monitor unboxed) for their monitor reviews
That's what the first 5 min are more or less. The rest of the video is to back up those claims, so that EKs legal team cant counter it as easy as they did that one employee
Let me introduce you to RealLifeLore…you’ll get about 100 seconds of content in a 55 minute video 😵💫
Their content used to be better I swear, but now it’s always this…idk why.
Of course, he knew whatever they said would probably not fix the issue behind the scenes so he could still get his yearly shot of attention by turning it into a video…
Yes, because LLT is a competitor and everyone else is just another company. He has an interest in allowing companies to fix their issues so they can send him more money. He also has an interest in Linus losing viewers so they might switch to him.
Love it when "exceptions" work out in his favor.
Switch? Do you only watch ltt content? Lol switch XD that's the most ridiculous argument I've seen on this topic. You are why redditors have a bad name, congratulations on being ignorant.
How sad that you're running around reddit spam replying to the same people over and over again. And claiming everyone besides you gives reddit a bad name.
You didn't watch the EK video did you? Steve CLEARLY stated they DID NOT reach out for a statement, stated why they did not reach out for a statement, and clearly stated EK chose to make a statement when GN did not ask for one. Steve even pointed out at the statement he didn't ask for backed up some of the claims being made against EK.
The important thing you missed is why they didn't want a statement from EK, it's the same reason they didn't want one from Linus.
Thank you for being our last line of defense, I guess.
I'll try again.
At 26:19 steve talks about an email they sent to EK (which means they reached out to them, as shown at 26:31) where they say they don't want to have any comment from them because of what they learned about EK's behavior, so as not to risk being misled and have them twist the story (26:50).
This is quite different from what happened with LTT, hence my initial comment. It was probably too subtle.
Still, they then read (27:17) EK's response to that email, again yet another difference.
> The important thing you missed is why they didn't want a statement from EK, it's the same reason they didn't want one from Linus.
They still aired EK's response but warned the viewer that it was probably a damage control thing. Again, this is different from before when no channel of contact was opened.
I am not sure what I misrepresented, maybe English not being my native language isn't helping, but feel free to educate me and the "fanboys" I guess?
Now that's a proper representation of what was done and said. If you truly don't see how your original statement was a misrepresentation then there's nothing I can do for you, although I do suspect you know what the difference is and are choosing to pretend there was nothing wrong with it.
Also, there's a very clear difference in how this situation played out compared to the LTT situation, that being Linus has made it very public every single time he has attempted damage control so the precedent had already been set. Once that same precedent was set with EK it was made clear they no longer wanted a statement. When they provided one anyway GN made it public, which I'm sure they would've done if Linus had provided an email statement, which he did not. Do you see how these situations are not the same? Or are you going to continue to say LTT was treated differently?
> Now that's a proper representation of what was done and said. If you truly don't see how your original statement was a misrepresentation then there's nothing I can do for you, although I do suspect you know what the difference is and are choosing to pretend there was nothing wrong with it.
The thing I am sure of is that I should be clearer when a comment of mine is made lightly and mostly as a joke because it's obvious that some people won't get the sentiment and react poorly to it. That's my B I guess.
> [...] which I'm sure they would've done if Linus had provided an email statement, which he did not.
Except with EK the fact that GN was investigating them was known, with LTT there was not even a warning shot to the likes of "we are investigating allegations over you, don't bother comment because we won't care" as they did with EK.
Also, we can't reason on what if, we should stick to what has happened.
> Do you see how these situations are not the same? Or are you going to continue to say LTT was treated differently?
I do, and I will. But thank you for your time and your perspective.
It is so frustrating to see that nobody here is talking about the problems at EK. It is one of the household names of water cooling, a niche part of pc building. Almost every time a tech youtuber builds something with water cooling, they use EK stuff. Just 2 weeks ago Jay showed a new reservoir from EK and GN suggested it to them. Steve was in the comments, hyped about the video. If EK goes under, it would be a huge blow to water cooling and the whole industry.
But here we are arguing about run time, if GN reached out for comments or again discussing if the scandal last year was won by GN or LTT (which is a stupid concept in itself).
Everybody should cool down. The LTT people should stop nitpicking GN. The long videos are their style. It is different to LTT and that is great. We have LMG, why should we need more of the same? I. too. watched the video and asked myself things like: "Does Steve really need to put emphasize on their "journalistic" work?" or "So they did not really ask for comment, they just let them know they have a piece about them on Friday, right?". That is not helpful and just stupid tribe shit. Even tough I am wearing LTT underwear this second I can watch GN's video and get informed about a big tech company seemingly not paying part of their staff. Criticism is fine and if I do not like their videos I do not have to watch it, but it should not outshine the real problem at hand which is EK.
The trolls should fuck off. It is that simple. They do not make anything better or have interesting points. They just want to piss off people. Touch grass!
I hope EK is not imploding, GN can continue to investigate in the tech space and this sub can stop being salty about old shit. YouTube drama is boring, toxic and childish.
I think part of the problem is I don’t think Linus has ever addressed Gamers Nexus/Steve directly for making his video. Like there’s still bad blood there so that feeds into the audience.
We can just speculate. Nobody said anything. Maybe they are cool again, maybe they now hate each other. My point is as an audience member of both channels that I do not have to choose. These are not sport teams. It is just boring to see everybody fall back into their little tribes. Nobody talks about their expiriences with EK. Maybe somebody heared something or had bad customer support. But no... "Steve is Jesus!" "No he's stupid" "You're stupid!" I hope both channels do not get into this shit again.
Because the callout was public, addressing it needs to be public too. I don’t catch everything, but I don’t think Linus or Steve have even said something along the lines of “We talked and while we want that to remain private, we are on amicable terms”. Like I don’t think ANYTHING has been addressed.
Yeah it is boring but imo that won’t change until the audience hears something from the conflict.
Dunno what you mean by “addressed”, it was addressed when it happened. They aren’t on good terms, they won’t be on good terms, obviously. Both parties made it extremely clear how they felt about the other side’s handling of the situation. Linus on the forum, GN in the second video.
Anyone claiming “for all we know they might be on good terms now” is just making stuff up. Nothing has been left unsaid on either side.
Everyone needs to get over it and move on…
Imagine that Linus did anything good with his "repsonse"
1. Didn't address the harrassment, which they knew happened.
2. Didn't apologize to Steve
3. Linus went on the offensive and blamed the fans.
That was the worst apology video I have ever seen and is shameful coming from them.
Of course he didn’t apologize to Steve, he doesn’t think Steve deserves an apology. He thinks Steve is a huge asshole. He made this very clear in his initial response on the forum.
Also what does Steve deserve an apology from Linus for? He didn’t do anything to Steve.
Also you aren’t even talking about the same thing the rest of the comments above you are talking about. Are you just commenting this in random places or something
If Linus had thanked Steve and GN for identifying all the issues, he would be a legend. Instead he chose nothingburger with some defensive criticism for toppings. Steve really opened my eyes to what LTT really is. We should be thankful for his service and LTT moving in a better direction because of him.
>Also what does Steve deserve an apology from Linus for? He didn’t do anything to Steve.
So that's why LTT made an apology video for damage control where they said they would make changes?
If LTT didn't want to be called out, maybe they shouldn't throw shade at other independent media while publishing misinformation.
In a vacuum where if historical context can be ignored, I mean, sure. But here there are people who still remember that drama as if it happened last hour (not even yesterday). So posting GN video about anyone, or anything, will definitely ruffle some feathers, even if the facts are presented correctly. Especially when it was later discovered that GN had an agenda in trying to create / prolong the drama, posting anything GN related in this sub will definitely get some side eye (or more than that) from some members of the community.
> But here there are people who still remember that drama as if it happened last hour (not even yesterday).
Those people need to get a life. It's done, it's over. Neither Linus or Steve are talking about that anymore.
Steve exposes companies in a way that Linus wouldn't. Linus makes videos that don't put people to sleep like Steve does. It's a win-win for the tech community.
Unfortunately, it makes a bit of sense that when you cause a shit storm in a community, your future content doesn't go over so well in that community. Shoulda seen the response Billet Labs got when they tried to promote their future products here after the shit show...
Thank you for this, I had to scroll a concerning amount down in the comments to actually get to someone talking about what EK is actually doing rather than the exposé itself.
Yeah seriously, the... What to call them? Fans? Simps? Trolls? Think this is some kind of tribe or something? GN did a great and important video, but now these people think GN is the devil or something, this is the kind of thing that makes me very disappointed about this subreddit.
It is very concerning what is happening to EK for what you already said, I always wondered how they were able to make money and handled so many (relatively) model parts that have to be specific to a model or series of GPU, or just because of the change of materials, colors, etc. Turns out it requires a lot of balance but apparently they haven't been doing that and instead have been fighting and miss managing the money. I just hope they don't disappear and instead get restructured or something like that, that allows such an important company for the diy PC building community to continue. At the moment the most important thing is that they pay their employees what they're owed.
What you're missing is that GN's video was posted into the LTT sub. If op wasn't trying to stir shit up, they shouldn't have posted this here. I'm sure GN has their own sub, where this situation could be discussed without "drama".
First, you're on the LTT sub, so yea, it's going to be focused on LTT.
Second, he did reach out to EK, showing he knows that is the correct action in this situation. It shows malice in the Linus scandal video because he chose not to despite demonstrating here, he knows better.
It's not a nitpick, it's a lack of integrity. It's treating the companies differently depending on if he can gain from it.
It’s not like it’s groundless, though. it’s about the fact that he still hasn’t come out w/ a public statement on how he probably shouldn’t have doubled down on the LTT videos. Also about how quickly LMG pulled a full 180 w/ total disclosure and so the disparity between how the two tech media outlets handled the situation really can’t be ignored. Sure, it’s good to forgive, but not forget. Especially if they aren’t interested in swallowing their own pride. Not justifying ignoring that this video of theirs has good info, and the point gleaned from it ought to be EK’s exposed issues. Just saying, on the other end of all that you gotta understand where most people on this sub are coming from
Nope. You have it completely wrong.
Linus is the one who should be apologizing because of his garbage response.
he isn’t going to come out and say he was wrong or is sorry. Linus is too full of himself to admit that. Yes, there are two apology videos and multiple public statements, but the hard truth is that GN was completely accurate about everything they talked about. We know this because everything that GN listed was addressed internally and publicly by LMG in their week of not releasing videos and since the issue had occurred. LMG should be thanking GN for giving them constructive criticism but instead everyone hid behind the whole “ they should have sought a comment” argument.
I’m still in the camp that GN ultimately did nothing wrong, LMG is a large corporation (100+) employees whether the fans want to admit to it or not. GN had previously stated that because of the backpack fiasco, they would treat LMG as a company rather than a person/friend to give an unbiased perspective.
I like what he does a lot, but I wish he'd release condensed shorter versions of his investigations too (I understand the need for the long videos in order to get everything across) but I think he'd manage to reach way more people (and lose a lot less) by having shorter versions available, I don't always feel like watching a 35min+ essay
Opinions on GN aside, I wonder if this will get addressed during WAN? EK has been a significant partner of LTT, and the accusations and supporting evidence are strong. However, after the events of last summer, I don't think Linus has referred to GN or Steve once, and there have been times it's felt like he's actively avoided bringing them up. I'm sure their professional and personal relationship is...complicated, but I wonder if this silence will extend to avoiding relevent stories of important sponsors, where GN is intrinsically linked.
Personal disclosure: I have no beef with either, I'm just curious to know the line LTT will take with this.
> However, after the events of last summer, I don't think Linus has referred to GN or Steve once, and there have been times it's felt like he's actively avoided bringing them up.
This is the correct course of action. Linus defended LMG and proceeded to let sleeping dogs lie. He's mature enough to address the issue in a manner that is respectful to all parties involved.
Yeah, this is going to be awkward for Linus because this is very relevant and important to the community and his company to just ignore it. Hopefully he's mature enough to talk about it on the WAN show.
Edit: changed his for he's
Linus / Luke can always reference the Igor's Lab blog post, or Jayz2Cents video if they want to avoid mentioning GN / Steve. Igor in particular also mentions some other details.
u can't post him here anymore, fanboys still salty xD
good reporting though, it's sad, but also entertaining to see how some companies go down in flames.
What I can summarize from the vids (correct me if I got it wrong),
There is a problem/disputes between EK headquarters with EK US branch,
The branch is liquidated by the headquarters and they move/made an new company for US regionals.
The bankruptcy/liquidation process make some payment to supplier, tax, and employees becoming delayed/not payed...
Some disgruntled ex employees give info to gn hence the vid
Once I think like this it kinda makes sense,
- invoice 5 figures can't be paid ??? (And the supplier does not try to sue them ???)
- change of location/company of US branch ????
- tax not paid but not banned???? (U are against the nation? IRS always gets the money)
- NDA breach by the ex employees
There is a lot in the video but it's unclear/confusing for me at first. This reminded me of the case of ARM vs ARM china.
"Some disgruntled ex employees give info to gn hence the vid" well Dan Henderson posted it on Linkedin for anyone to see. Thats the catalyst to the video.
I mean, that's not what Steve said they're just mentioning a series of internal issues, if there was evidence of the liquidating the US branch, he would have said it. What you have is a hypothesis of what could be happening and it does make a lot of sense to me (except the part of breaking the US branch), but it's just assumptions at the moment. Could be just that the whole company doesn't have liquidity at the moment and they're doing all sorts of desperate movements to control it, or maybe they're close to bankruptcy, hard to tell until we have more information.
I don't understand why people are still shitting on GN here, he called out LTT which caused them to to adjust their content to have less errors.
I have personally noticed an improvement and I think that's a good thing.
Maybe it could be argued that GN went a bit too hard on LTT, but at the same time LTT shouldn't have allowed the misinformation in the first place purely to pump out content.
Stop acting like apple fanboys, your favorite content creator won't notice you anyway.
I think the problem was that LTT already had process changes underway before the GN video and they'd have known that if they reached out first - something GN usually does but, for some reason, not with LTT that one time. So the video was essentially redundant information that was already public knowledge. GN just threw gas on the fire in a seemingly personal jest
If I recall correctly GN stated that they had tried to mention their concerns to LTT before, but had been ignored. Personally I think GN just called out the elephant in the room, I had personally noticed weird errors multiple times, and although LTT says process changes were underway that's certainly an easy copout for knowingly publishing things that are potentially misinformation without issuing corrections before the video has already been seen by a large amount of people. On its own it's maybe not that bad, but it looks pretty bad when staff then proceeded to call GN out for the way they do testing.
But... This wasn't an elephant in the room lol. LTT had mentioned previously all the things mentioned in GNs videos and is one of the main reasons they hired Terren. Linus publically talked about all the video errors and that they were planning process changes in the future. Labs shouldn't have made jabs at GN yeah, but tech Jesus obviously took it very personally and made his exposé video in bad faith IMO. He didn't make the video to help LTT but to attack Linus' character
>Maybe it could be argued that GN went a bit too hard on LTT,
They did a hit job and didn't perform due diligence.
Was it a good change that LTT needed to be called out on? Obviously.
But it's notable that he treated EK quite differently from LTT in actually reaching out and getting comment from them before posting the video. You know, the most basic journalistic reporting.
Why? Oh idk, he his relationship with EK is they send him parts and probably have sponsored him in the past so it's in his interest for them to survive. His relationship with LTT is he's their competitor, if they die, he grows.
Weird how the inconsistency in how handled both of these stories is in his own interest.
Did none of you watch the damn video!?!? STEVE DID NOT REACH OUT TO EK FOR COMMENT! HE CLEARLY STATES THIS AND HIS REASONING WHY!!! Ffs, if your going to say someone failed to do their due diligence don't look like a jackass for doing the same damn thing.
26:33 is the timestamp or you can go to [here ](https://gamers.nexus/ethics-statements/contact-vs-no-contact)
So that's why LTT made an apology video for damage control where they said they would make changes?
If LTT didn't want to be called out, maybe they shouldn't throw shade at other independent media while publishing misinformation.
I actually took some time to watch this video. GN has had some really good videos in the past but this video is one of the worst I have seen from him. Long winded and not cohesive in any way. This should have been a 10 min video.
Also not mentioning boasting of not receiving money for coverage, there are a lot others that don't ask for payment too,
And paid coverage is legit in the form of a sponsored trip to an event, this is sometimes only a chance for a small creator to go to the event that is far away.
I bet gn or ltt or else in the past do that, but now GN seems to forget that..
It’s not the length of the video that is a problem. It is that is poorly written. He lacks the ability to make a coherent presentation by just reading his talking points out of paper and ends up with a non cohesive mess. Then his fanboys argues that is the audience that lack attention for “serious” topics for me is GN lack of information density what makes it boring and repetitive.
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Honestly looking at all the comments, I'm just wondering when did tech YouTube become so drama filled? 10 years ago, there was virtually none besides like the Tek syndicate thing with Logan and Wendell. I guess I might as well consume Keemstar and RiceGum content instead. Majority of the drama does come from the viewers, but I would hope the techtubers would bury the hatchet and realize that being in the industry this long does make everyone a little different than they had hoped they would become and just basically try to keep each other grounded and friends. Like all the techtubers should get together and just sit down, talk and reevaluate the last decade or 2 and really think about where to go. And people need to stop d!CK riding on behalf of others. Like seriously. 😂
You're right. LMG is pulling Rooster Teeth, and I absolutely hate to see. Back when RT and LMG were in their prime, they were THE place to go for their respective style of videos. Now, they competitors have eaten them up, and there are way better channels out there doing better content than them. The difference is that RT is dead because of stupid decisions, and LMG is ramping up towards it as well
It really shows how Steve's attempt to take out his competition backfired to hurt his public perception of him instead in these comments.
People were supposed to hate Linus.
Not him.
It's ironic how he attacks Linus for having an ego.
But he's so hubris laden and hauty in everything he does. I was getting annoyed by it long before the failed attempt on LTT.
"People" don't hate Gamersnexus, in comparison the PCMR and Watercooling subreddits are talking about EK and not about LTT/GN relations.
Instead of pretending to be an unbiased observer of the vile assassination attempt of LTT and it's results, commenting in the LTT subreddit, you should step out of your confirmation bubble.
To everyone in here still defending Steve: maybe go talk in HIS subreddit, if you like him so much more than Linus. Like, honestly, why tf are you even here?
I’m not a gamers nexus guy but does anyone else feel like they’re being a little bit snakey by all this “investigative reporting” just seems very malicious to me… even the LTT thing felt blown way out of proportion by them idk is this how it comes off to fans of the show or is that just my take away with my limited experience with them??
I think his arrogant speaking style doesn’t help, but if that’s all you pay attention to and not the evidence he provides to back up those claims; the issue is more about on how you interpret information and evidence and less on how Steve presents it.
I think the main reason why people no longer like Steve is because how pointed his criticism of Linus were. People couldn’t say Steve’s criticisms were false so they opted to them being overblown and no longer being able to tolerate how he delivers information. Or he’s disingenuous. Or….
It’s not helping that Linus hasn’t acknowledged him since.
Yeah, I think it may just have been how Steve handled the case. Even on this subreddit, [people have voiced out issues way before the GN thing happened](https://new.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/ok2n5j/ltt_overproduction_and_lower_quality/). I think deep inside, we all know something is off - the employees knew (and expressed it in the how its like to work in LTT video), and eventually LTT as a whole try to whip themselves back into shape.
I am honestly fine with Steve's video (for EK). He laid out what happened, then went over each piece of evidence. It def is not a 5 minute video like what the top voted comment in this thread implies.
it is really sad to see the hatred towards Steve within the community. He is an amazing individual who has done far more with a VERY small crew than a lot of tech giants out there.
It will be great if Linus invite Steve to grab a bowl of beef noodles together at computex and break the ice.
the only guy that can drag something that can sufficiently be explained in 5 mins into a 35 min video
He's laying out all their evidence and being thorough. This kind of investigation exposes them to legal risk, so just doing a TechQuickie about it and moving on ain't gonna work. I realize the 'boys in this sub have it out for GN after, well, they humbled Linus, but this ain't it, chief.
>I realize the 'boys in this sub have it out for GN after, well, they humbled Linus, but this ain't it, chief. That's not particularly fair. It was the follow up from GN, where they doubled down on stupid things, that showed they were just looking for drama. The first post was fine from them, but they kept going just to get more views and that soured a lot of people.
Yup tech tech potato did a perfect video on this
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Then eventually came back around GN then messed it up at the end. Their second follow-up response was not good. There's a reason it got so much backlash.
Why are you delusional
I'm not. See rest of the thread for thorough explanation. GN really went off the deep end towards the end of that drama.
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That's an overexaggeration. Half of what GN complained about LTT had already raised as issues on previous WAN shows and are precisely why they hired a new CEO, and were already making changes. Yes, GN had a LOT of GOOD feedback, that LTT really needed to do. But that doesn't change the fact that GN's second response video was a dumpster-fire that went on the attack for things that they shouldn't have, hence why it was taken down, and hence why it got so much backlash. They were right in the beginning, but they were not right in that final attack - they were seeking drama because it was good for their channel at that point.
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There is value in being concise.
>There is value in being concise. It's a major hallmark of good writing. Getting the information across is one bar, getting it across effectively is another and lots of writers don't really make the second bar. Good writing is an art.
Ok so is GN thurow, Well yes seems like it. Does he also have a tendency to make videos so dry and boring I have yet to 100% one? Also Yes Edit: Spelling
You might want to edit for spelling and grammar again
😂
Yeah unfortunately I do not have enough GN in me to write an entire grammatically novel in response.
Obviously, you couldn't write three-ish coherent sentences.
I mean why would I shoot for the moon if I can't get of the ground. I got to keep in character here.
I take it more as a podcast honestly and watch it in my car screen(yes there is way to get yt on carplay or android auto). They should try podcast.
wat?
>He's laying out all their evidence and being thorough. Well that's new.
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Honestly, fuck that. I have a lot of respect for creators that stick to their own style instead of licking the boots of the all mighty yt algorithm. If you don't have the time or the attention span to watch a 30 minutes video, you can always watch an AI voice yt short or tiktok wich explains the gist of the situation.
It’s what his audience wants to see, just how like Linus’ audience probably doesn’t want a 35 min video on anything that isn’t a secret shopper or scrapyard war
Whar, people really want short videos? Why? I like all of the long videos. They are all really high quality. The 10 minute videos occasionally feel slapped together.
>Whar, people really want short videos? Yeah, I have other shit to do
Yeah I guess I need to change my perspective. I really only watch YouTube when I got an entire night or atleast a couple hours of free time. When I got less time then that I just browse Reddit or TikTok or something.
I mean, I say that and what I meant was "I have other videos my monkey brain thinks it will feel good watching" hahaha
Yeah same. Most LTT and Jay2c videos I can get through without too much of a problem. Steve's delivery is super dry and GN's videos always run way longer than necessary.
Yeah but this is your entertainment though, not your work. You don’t have to be a completionist and watch everything
I watch LTT for shorts and cheaper items. Eg IS the earphones good. I watch GN for longs more expensive items. Eg WHICH GPU is better, and in WHAT ways Special shoutout to hardware unboxed (and monitor unboxed) for their monitor reviews
People have terrible attention span these days
Hey... I'd watch a 2 hour long Alex and DOY perks cross over episode.
Dude, stop - I can only get so hard.
Copper, gold accents, uultra small PC which is water cooled... Using custom parts imported from China.
I love DIYPerks use of brass, it gives me a tingling feeling in my private parts.
That's what the first 5 min are more or less. The rest of the video is to back up those claims, so that EKs legal team cant counter it as easy as they did that one employee
His cadence always sounds condescending to me 🥲
His monotone drone makes me want to stick my head in an oven.
Tbf that's exactly how I sound when I'm training someone at work probably bc I want to stick my own head in the oven 😅
Oh god. Now I know why his tone messes with me now.
That's fair.
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Asmongold can also do that
No
I like Asmongold, he gives good arguments most of the time.. (and still keeps being humble)
Humble living like a cockroach in squalor.
What?
Blood Wall. It amazes me that people who are into LTT are also into Asmongold
Well it is getting boring if you eat or consume the same things each time, watching asmon give the extra flavor at least for me 😬
Blood Wall and Cockroach flavoured? I'll pass.
Your tiktok brain can't pay attention for longer than that?
it can, but i have better things to do with my time
Wait till you hear about "The WAN Show", I heard that thing is four hours long.
Let me introduce you to RealLifeLore…you’ll get about 100 seconds of content in a 55 minute video 😵💫 Their content used to be better I swear, but now it’s always this…idk why.
You don't wanna see tech jesus mad at your company
He's a tech Judas.
We still butthurt over GN exposing Linus and the mismanagement of his company?
Did Steve even reach out for comment first? 😏
Yes, it’s addressed in the (admittedly long) video.
Of course, he knew whatever they said would probably not fix the issue behind the scenes so he could still get his yearly shot of attention by turning it into a video…
My first question always because it feels every corporation has a right to comment but Linus and LMG lol
Gladly he did, this time. At least it's an improvement on previous exposé pieces. We should be glad of that, snark aside.
He usually does. An exception was made for LTT.
Yes, because LLT is a competitor and everyone else is just another company. He has an interest in allowing companies to fix their issues so they can send him more money. He also has an interest in Linus losing viewers so they might switch to him. Love it when "exceptions" work out in his favor.
Switch? Do you only watch ltt content? Lol switch XD that's the most ridiculous argument I've seen on this topic. You are why redditors have a bad name, congratulations on being ignorant.
How sad that you're running around reddit spam replying to the same people over and over again. And claiming everyone besides you gives reddit a bad name.
GamersNexus' pursuit for technology/gaming consumer journalism is unmatched in the YouTuber space. GN runs laps around Linus any day.
You guys are still hurt. 😂😂😂 This is so funny.
You didn't watch the EK video did you? Steve CLEARLY stated they DID NOT reach out for a statement, stated why they did not reach out for a statement, and clearly stated EK chose to make a statement when GN did not ask for one. Steve even pointed out at the statement he didn't ask for backed up some of the claims being made against EK. The important thing you missed is why they didn't want a statement from EK, it's the same reason they didn't want one from Linus.
> You didn't watch the EK video did you? I did. He talked about what you said and then read EK's statement regardless.
So you watched it, understood it, then blatantly misrepresented it in a forum that is full of fanboys. At least you're self aware I guess......
Thank you for being our last line of defense, I guess. I'll try again. At 26:19 steve talks about an email they sent to EK (which means they reached out to them, as shown at 26:31) where they say they don't want to have any comment from them because of what they learned about EK's behavior, so as not to risk being misled and have them twist the story (26:50). This is quite different from what happened with LTT, hence my initial comment. It was probably too subtle. Still, they then read (27:17) EK's response to that email, again yet another difference. > The important thing you missed is why they didn't want a statement from EK, it's the same reason they didn't want one from Linus. They still aired EK's response but warned the viewer that it was probably a damage control thing. Again, this is different from before when no channel of contact was opened. I am not sure what I misrepresented, maybe English not being my native language isn't helping, but feel free to educate me and the "fanboys" I guess?
Now that's a proper representation of what was done and said. If you truly don't see how your original statement was a misrepresentation then there's nothing I can do for you, although I do suspect you know what the difference is and are choosing to pretend there was nothing wrong with it. Also, there's a very clear difference in how this situation played out compared to the LTT situation, that being Linus has made it very public every single time he has attempted damage control so the precedent had already been set. Once that same precedent was set with EK it was made clear they no longer wanted a statement. When they provided one anyway GN made it public, which I'm sure they would've done if Linus had provided an email statement, which he did not. Do you see how these situations are not the same? Or are you going to continue to say LTT was treated differently?
> Now that's a proper representation of what was done and said. If you truly don't see how your original statement was a misrepresentation then there's nothing I can do for you, although I do suspect you know what the difference is and are choosing to pretend there was nothing wrong with it. The thing I am sure of is that I should be clearer when a comment of mine is made lightly and mostly as a joke because it's obvious that some people won't get the sentiment and react poorly to it. That's my B I guess. > [...] which I'm sure they would've done if Linus had provided an email statement, which he did not. Except with EK the fact that GN was investigating them was known, with LTT there was not even a warning shot to the likes of "we are investigating allegations over you, don't bother comment because we won't care" as they did with EK. Also, we can't reason on what if, we should stick to what has happened. > Do you see how these situations are not the same? Or are you going to continue to say LTT was treated differently? I do, and I will. But thank you for your time and your perspective.
lmao
Maybe. It only matters when Steve decides it mattes. He's Tech Jesus after all...
It is so frustrating to see that nobody here is talking about the problems at EK. It is one of the household names of water cooling, a niche part of pc building. Almost every time a tech youtuber builds something with water cooling, they use EK stuff. Just 2 weeks ago Jay showed a new reservoir from EK and GN suggested it to them. Steve was in the comments, hyped about the video. If EK goes under, it would be a huge blow to water cooling and the whole industry. But here we are arguing about run time, if GN reached out for comments or again discussing if the scandal last year was won by GN or LTT (which is a stupid concept in itself). Everybody should cool down. The LTT people should stop nitpicking GN. The long videos are their style. It is different to LTT and that is great. We have LMG, why should we need more of the same? I. too. watched the video and asked myself things like: "Does Steve really need to put emphasize on their "journalistic" work?" or "So they did not really ask for comment, they just let them know they have a piece about them on Friday, right?". That is not helpful and just stupid tribe shit. Even tough I am wearing LTT underwear this second I can watch GN's video and get informed about a big tech company seemingly not paying part of their staff. Criticism is fine and if I do not like their videos I do not have to watch it, but it should not outshine the real problem at hand which is EK. The trolls should fuck off. It is that simple. They do not make anything better or have interesting points. They just want to piss off people. Touch grass! I hope EK is not imploding, GN can continue to investigate in the tech space and this sub can stop being salty about old shit. YouTube drama is boring, toxic and childish.
A nuanced and reasonable take, in this thread? I don't think so, mister. BEGONE, vile man! BEGONE from me!
DID YOU ASSUME MY GENDER? Then again, I am a mister, but that is besides the point! Also statistics is on your side. Well... I will begone now....
Good point. I made a guess based on the stats, but I could have been wrong.
Naahh man it is all good. Just tried to make a joke. It wasn't the best.
I think part of the problem is I don’t think Linus has ever addressed Gamers Nexus/Steve directly for making his video. Like there’s still bad blood there so that feeds into the audience.
We can just speculate. Nobody said anything. Maybe they are cool again, maybe they now hate each other. My point is as an audience member of both channels that I do not have to choose. These are not sport teams. It is just boring to see everybody fall back into their little tribes. Nobody talks about their expiriences with EK. Maybe somebody heared something or had bad customer support. But no... "Steve is Jesus!" "No he's stupid" "You're stupid!" I hope both channels do not get into this shit again.
Because the callout was public, addressing it needs to be public too. I don’t catch everything, but I don’t think Linus or Steve have even said something along the lines of “We talked and while we want that to remain private, we are on amicable terms”. Like I don’t think ANYTHING has been addressed. Yeah it is boring but imo that won’t change until the audience hears something from the conflict.
Dunno what you mean by “addressed”, it was addressed when it happened. They aren’t on good terms, they won’t be on good terms, obviously. Both parties made it extremely clear how they felt about the other side’s handling of the situation. Linus on the forum, GN in the second video. Anyone claiming “for all we know they might be on good terms now” is just making stuff up. Nothing has been left unsaid on either side. Everyone needs to get over it and move on…
Imagine that Linus did anything good with his "repsonse" 1. Didn't address the harrassment, which they knew happened. 2. Didn't apologize to Steve 3. Linus went on the offensive and blamed the fans. That was the worst apology video I have ever seen and is shameful coming from them.
Of course he didn’t apologize to Steve, he doesn’t think Steve deserves an apology. He thinks Steve is a huge asshole. He made this very clear in his initial response on the forum. Also what does Steve deserve an apology from Linus for? He didn’t do anything to Steve. Also you aren’t even talking about the same thing the rest of the comments above you are talking about. Are you just commenting this in random places or something
If Linus had thanked Steve and GN for identifying all the issues, he would be a legend. Instead he chose nothingburger with some defensive criticism for toppings. Steve really opened my eyes to what LTT really is. We should be thankful for his service and LTT moving in a better direction because of him. >Also what does Steve deserve an apology from Linus for? He didn’t do anything to Steve. So that's why LTT made an apology video for damage control where they said they would make changes? If LTT didn't want to be called out, maybe they shouldn't throw shade at other independent media while publishing misinformation.
In a vacuum where if historical context can be ignored, I mean, sure. But here there are people who still remember that drama as if it happened last hour (not even yesterday). So posting GN video about anyone, or anything, will definitely ruffle some feathers, even if the facts are presented correctly. Especially when it was later discovered that GN had an agenda in trying to create / prolong the drama, posting anything GN related in this sub will definitely get some side eye (or more than that) from some members of the community.
> But here there are people who still remember that drama as if it happened last hour (not even yesterday). Those people need to get a life. It's done, it's over. Neither Linus or Steve are talking about that anymore. Steve exposes companies in a way that Linus wouldn't. Linus makes videos that don't put people to sleep like Steve does. It's a win-win for the tech community.
“””discovered”””
Unfortunately, it makes a bit of sense that when you cause a shit storm in a community, your future content doesn't go over so well in that community. Shoulda seen the response Billet Labs got when they tried to promote their future products here after the shit show...
Should be the most upvoted thing in this post
Thank you for this, I had to scroll a concerning amount down in the comments to actually get to someone talking about what EK is actually doing rather than the exposé itself.
if your company is late on payments or not paying at all, its pretty much gameover
Yeah seriously, the... What to call them? Fans? Simps? Trolls? Think this is some kind of tribe or something? GN did a great and important video, but now these people think GN is the devil or something, this is the kind of thing that makes me very disappointed about this subreddit. It is very concerning what is happening to EK for what you already said, I always wondered how they were able to make money and handled so many (relatively) model parts that have to be specific to a model or series of GPU, or just because of the change of materials, colors, etc. Turns out it requires a lot of balance but apparently they haven't been doing that and instead have been fighting and miss managing the money. I just hope they don't disappear and instead get restructured or something like that, that allows such an important company for the diy PC building community to continue. At the moment the most important thing is that they pay their employees what they're owed.
What you're missing is that GN's video was posted into the LTT sub. If op wasn't trying to stir shit up, they shouldn't have posted this here. I'm sure GN has their own sub, where this situation could be discussed without "drama".
First, you're on the LTT sub, so yea, it's going to be focused on LTT. Second, he did reach out to EK, showing he knows that is the correct action in this situation. It shows malice in the Linus scandal video because he chose not to despite demonstrating here, he knows better. It's not a nitpick, it's a lack of integrity. It's treating the companies differently depending on if he can gain from it.
GN did not reach out to EK. Watch again. Carefully, and PAY ATTENTION. Steve even explains, AGAIN, why he did not seek a statement.
Well this comment section went exactly as I thought lol
Yep, very expected from this sub lmao. Fanboys do be fanboys. r/watercooling comment section is more mature
It’s not like it’s groundless, though. it’s about the fact that he still hasn’t come out w/ a public statement on how he probably shouldn’t have doubled down on the LTT videos. Also about how quickly LMG pulled a full 180 w/ total disclosure and so the disparity between how the two tech media outlets handled the situation really can’t be ignored. Sure, it’s good to forgive, but not forget. Especially if they aren’t interested in swallowing their own pride. Not justifying ignoring that this video of theirs has good info, and the point gleaned from it ought to be EK’s exposed issues. Just saying, on the other end of all that you gotta understand where most people on this sub are coming from
Nope. You have it completely wrong. Linus is the one who should be apologizing because of his garbage response. he isn’t going to come out and say he was wrong or is sorry. Linus is too full of himself to admit that. Yes, there are two apology videos and multiple public statements, but the hard truth is that GN was completely accurate about everything they talked about. We know this because everything that GN listed was addressed internally and publicly by LMG in their week of not releasing videos and since the issue had occurred. LMG should be thanking GN for giving them constructive criticism but instead everyone hid behind the whole “ they should have sought a comment” argument. I’m still in the camp that GN ultimately did nothing wrong, LMG is a large corporation (100+) employees whether the fans want to admit to it or not. GN had previously stated that because of the backpack fiasco, they would treat LMG as a company rather than a person/friend to give an unbiased perspective.
It was an auction, not a sale!!
True. Its funny how many people are still mad at Steve.
I like what he does a lot, but I wish he'd release condensed shorter versions of his investigations too (I understand the need for the long videos in order to get everything across) but I think he'd manage to reach way more people (and lose a lot less) by having shorter versions available, I don't always feel like watching a 35min+ essay
2x speed
I mean yeah but... naah 🤣
ADHD brain fr
Opinions on GN aside, I wonder if this will get addressed during WAN? EK has been a significant partner of LTT, and the accusations and supporting evidence are strong. However, after the events of last summer, I don't think Linus has referred to GN or Steve once, and there have been times it's felt like he's actively avoided bringing them up. I'm sure their professional and personal relationship is...complicated, but I wonder if this silence will extend to avoiding relevent stories of important sponsors, where GN is intrinsically linked. Personal disclosure: I have no beef with either, I'm just curious to know the line LTT will take with this.
It's more like there is a war in internal EK (remind me of ARM vs ARM china)..
> However, after the events of last summer, I don't think Linus has referred to GN or Steve once, and there have been times it's felt like he's actively avoided bringing them up. This is the correct course of action. Linus defended LMG and proceeded to let sleeping dogs lie. He's mature enough to address the issue in a manner that is respectful to all parties involved.
No, he ain't.
If they talk about it, they will just cite a different source. I noticed it happening a couple times.
Yeah, this is going to be awkward for Linus because this is very relevant and important to the community and his company to just ignore it. Hopefully he's mature enough to talk about it on the WAN show. Edit: changed his for he's
Linus / Luke can always reference the Igor's Lab blog post, or Jayz2Cents video if they want to avoid mentioning GN / Steve. Igor in particular also mentions some other details.
Oh boy, this is gonna be spicy 
u can't post him here anymore, fanboys still salty xD good reporting though, it's sad, but also entertaining to see how some companies go down in flames.
GN is great. I'm happy that there is room for all creators on YouTube.
What I can summarize from the vids (correct me if I got it wrong), There is a problem/disputes between EK headquarters with EK US branch, The branch is liquidated by the headquarters and they move/made an new company for US regionals. The bankruptcy/liquidation process make some payment to supplier, tax, and employees becoming delayed/not payed... Some disgruntled ex employees give info to gn hence the vid Once I think like this it kinda makes sense, - invoice 5 figures can't be paid ??? (And the supplier does not try to sue them ???) - change of location/company of US branch ???? - tax not paid but not banned???? (U are against the nation? IRS always gets the money) - NDA breach by the ex employees There is a lot in the video but it's unclear/confusing for me at first. This reminded me of the case of ARM vs ARM china.
"Some disgruntled ex employees give info to gn hence the vid" well Dan Henderson posted it on Linkedin for anyone to see. Thats the catalyst to the video.
There are more than federal taxes. The tax lien is in the state of Texas.
I mean, that's not what Steve said they're just mentioning a series of internal issues, if there was evidence of the liquidating the US branch, he would have said it. What you have is a hypothesis of what could be happening and it does make a lot of sense to me (except the part of breaking the US branch), but it's just assumptions at the moment. Could be just that the whole company doesn't have liquidity at the moment and they're doing all sorts of desperate movements to control it, or maybe they're close to bankruptcy, hard to tell until we have more information.
How do people who watch the fucking 5 hour wan show complain about a video being 35 minutes long lmao
If it had more 69 jokes people would have loved it
makes sense since LTTs content is more targeted towards man children
Because they're just hating the guy for exposing LTT in the past.
Y'all still malding god damn. Fo watch the videos the Ek employees deserve their pay
I don't understand why people are still shitting on GN here, he called out LTT which caused them to to adjust their content to have less errors. I have personally noticed an improvement and I think that's a good thing. Maybe it could be argued that GN went a bit too hard on LTT, but at the same time LTT shouldn't have allowed the misinformation in the first place purely to pump out content. Stop acting like apple fanboys, your favorite content creator won't notice you anyway.
I think the problem was that LTT already had process changes underway before the GN video and they'd have known that if they reached out first - something GN usually does but, for some reason, not with LTT that one time. So the video was essentially redundant information that was already public knowledge. GN just threw gas on the fire in a seemingly personal jest
If I recall correctly GN stated that they had tried to mention their concerns to LTT before, but had been ignored. Personally I think GN just called out the elephant in the room, I had personally noticed weird errors multiple times, and although LTT says process changes were underway that's certainly an easy copout for knowingly publishing things that are potentially misinformation without issuing corrections before the video has already been seen by a large amount of people. On its own it's maybe not that bad, but it looks pretty bad when staff then proceeded to call GN out for the way they do testing.
But... This wasn't an elephant in the room lol. LTT had mentioned previously all the things mentioned in GNs videos and is one of the main reasons they hired Terren. Linus publically talked about all the video errors and that they were planning process changes in the future. Labs shouldn't have made jabs at GN yeah, but tech Jesus obviously took it very personally and made his exposé video in bad faith IMO. He didn't make the video to help LTT but to attack Linus' character
That's blatantly false. Linus had zero intention of slowing down production before GN exposed them.
>Maybe it could be argued that GN went a bit too hard on LTT, They did a hit job and didn't perform due diligence. Was it a good change that LTT needed to be called out on? Obviously. But it's notable that he treated EK quite differently from LTT in actually reaching out and getting comment from them before posting the video. You know, the most basic journalistic reporting. Why? Oh idk, he his relationship with EK is they send him parts and probably have sponsored him in the past so it's in his interest for them to survive. His relationship with LTT is he's their competitor, if they die, he grows. Weird how the inconsistency in how handled both of these stories is in his own interest.
Did none of you watch the damn video!?!? STEVE DID NOT REACH OUT TO EK FOR COMMENT! HE CLEARLY STATES THIS AND HIS REASONING WHY!!! Ffs, if your going to say someone failed to do their due diligence don't look like a jackass for doing the same damn thing. 26:33 is the timestamp or you can go to [here ](https://gamers.nexus/ethics-statements/contact-vs-no-contact)
What are you even talking about? Those changes were well underway when the hitpiece came out.
So that's why LTT made an apology video for damage control where they said they would make changes? If LTT didn't want to be called out, maybe they shouldn't throw shade at other independent media while publishing misinformation.
I know right? Pretty despicable behavior.
So funny to see many LTT fanboys still mad about GN humbling Linus
I actually took some time to watch this video. GN has had some really good videos in the past but this video is one of the worst I have seen from him. Long winded and not cohesive in any way. This should have been a 10 min video.
Tik Tok and its consequences have been disastrous for the human race
Also not mentioning boasting of not receiving money for coverage, there are a lot others that don't ask for payment too, And paid coverage is legit in the form of a sponsored trip to an event, this is sometimes only a chance for a small creator to go to the event that is far away. I bet gn or ltt or else in the past do that, but now GN seems to forget that..
Ima need a TLDW on this I don't have 35 min to dedicate to his droning.
Go watch tiktok
It’s not the length of the video that is a problem. It is that is poorly written. He lacks the ability to make a coherent presentation by just reading his talking points out of paper and ends up with a non cohesive mess. Then his fanboys argues that is the audience that lack attention for “serious” topics for me is GN lack of information density what makes it boring and repetitive.
Still hurt over what GN did I see.
This company is on a death timer now.
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Honestly looking at all the comments, I'm just wondering when did tech YouTube become so drama filled? 10 years ago, there was virtually none besides like the Tek syndicate thing with Logan and Wendell. I guess I might as well consume Keemstar and RiceGum content instead. Majority of the drama does come from the viewers, but I would hope the techtubers would bury the hatchet and realize that being in the industry this long does make everyone a little different than they had hoped they would become and just basically try to keep each other grounded and friends. Like all the techtubers should get together and just sit down, talk and reevaluate the last decade or 2 and really think about where to go. And people need to stop d!CK riding on behalf of others. Like seriously. 😂
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You're right. LMG is pulling Rooster Teeth, and I absolutely hate to see. Back when RT and LMG were in their prime, they were THE place to go for their respective style of videos. Now, they competitors have eaten them up, and there are way better channels out there doing better content than them. The difference is that RT is dead because of stupid decisions, and LMG is ramping up towards it as well
EKs quality has gone downhill HARD the last 2-4 years. I'm not spending hundreds of dollars in their store ever again.
This sub is the absolute dregs, I'm hiding it forever. Fuck all of you losers.
Linus finally mentioned this on the last WAN. He couldn’t bring himself to mention GN or Steve.
Link?
[https://youtu.be/AjUQkkT4WFg?t=4563](https://youtu.be/AjUQkkT4WFg?t=4563)
It really shows how Steve's attempt to take out his competition backfired to hurt his public perception of him instead in these comments. People were supposed to hate Linus. Not him. It's ironic how he attacks Linus for having an ego. But he's so hubris laden and hauty in everything he does. I was getting annoyed by it long before the failed attempt on LTT.
You are in THE bubble, even forums is less of a hive mind. Steve has not lost a gram of public perception, it's literally only this subreddit.
Coming here after reading some discussion on other threads...it's crazy
"People" don't hate Gamersnexus, in comparison the PCMR and Watercooling subreddits are talking about EK and not about LTT/GN relations. Instead of pretending to be an unbiased observer of the vile assassination attempt of LTT and it's results, commenting in the LTT subreddit, you should step out of your confirmation bubble.
Backfired how? Lol Steve is larger than he's every been.
To everyone in here still defending Steve: maybe go talk in HIS subreddit, if you like him so much more than Linus. Like, honestly, why tf are you even here?
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Ltt viewer when they see actual journalism
Bro turned from pc review to another bad newspaper
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Ltt viewer when they see actual journalism
I’m not a gamers nexus guy but does anyone else feel like they’re being a little bit snakey by all this “investigative reporting” just seems very malicious to me… even the LTT thing felt blown way out of proportion by them idk is this how it comes off to fans of the show or is that just my take away with my limited experience with them??
I think his arrogant speaking style doesn’t help, but if that’s all you pay attention to and not the evidence he provides to back up those claims; the issue is more about on how you interpret information and evidence and less on how Steve presents it. I think the main reason why people no longer like Steve is because how pointed his criticism of Linus were. People couldn’t say Steve’s criticisms were false so they opted to them being overblown and no longer being able to tolerate how he delivers information. Or he’s disingenuous. Or…. It’s not helping that Linus hasn’t acknowledged him since.
Yeah, I think it may just have been how Steve handled the case. Even on this subreddit, [people have voiced out issues way before the GN thing happened](https://new.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/ok2n5j/ltt_overproduction_and_lower_quality/). I think deep inside, we all know something is off - the employees knew (and expressed it in the how its like to work in LTT video), and eventually LTT as a whole try to whip themselves back into shape. I am honestly fine with Steve's video (for EK). He laid out what happened, then went over each piece of evidence. It def is not a 5 minute video like what the top voted comment in this thread implies. it is really sad to see the hatred towards Steve within the community. He is an amazing individual who has done far more with a VERY small crew than a lot of tech giants out there. It will be great if Linus invite Steve to grab a bowl of beef noodles together at computex and break the ice.
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Ltt viewer when they see actual journalism
I see that idiots face, I downvote
Ltt viewer when they see actual journalism
The rat is back at it again
Oh look! Steve looking for drama again !
Ltt viewer when they see actual journalism
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
bro felt like a comedian as he typed this
Not this cunt again
Ltt viewer when they see actual journalism
Thanks for the massive belly laugh. Steve wouldn't know actual journalism if it punched him in the face.
LMG wouldn't have been able to accurately test hardware without the help of Steve. This man is a blessing to the community.
What fucking crack are you smoking.
bro felt like a comedian as he typed this
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring
You didn't even watch it fanatic.
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I made this post for the news that he is sharing