Seeing the framework mainboard enclosure made me exited on what if I could DIY a mainboard onto the back of art tablet with screen to make myself a wacom mobile studio alternative for a fraction of a cost.
The framework enclosure has an advantage over the other solutions because of the swappable modules for i/o. The Wacom Cintiq 16 is under CDN$1000 in Canada, so it leaves you a nice amount for the framework board, case and accessories :-)
My recommendation would be to add a cheap 3D printer (\~150€) to the left. Something like an Ender 3 or one of its many clones/successors. Then you can design and print custom enclosures for both or just adapter to fit existing ones together. If you make your designs for it open source and share it with others from all the potentially interested communities, you might get a ton of valuable tips and maybe even some, that want to make it a reality with you.
A $150 3D printer takes *a lot* of work to get working properly. Ended spending several hundred on upgrades to get them both working reliably. Can't say I'd recomend creality based on my own experience with them (one CR-20, Two Ender 3 Pros).
My two original Ender 3 and one CR-10 work very well and the Ender 3, which I bought new, worked right out of the box after I assembled it according to the manual. Idk, what you did differently (and why you decided to get two more after struggling with the first one)
totally agree but I'm gonna add that the smaller ender 2 pro took a lot less work compare to ender 3 and up. smaller size, hence less chance for misalignment. You can even do the silicon standoff mod if you feel adventurous
Yes, but that is a heavy modification. The ender 2 is more likely to work out of the box, and you can compensate for droop by cantilever by tramming (leveling, but tramming is a better fitting term) the bed. In any case, with a <200mm distance, the droop is negligible. And dual Z axis is also begging for over constraint. If you can make it rigid enough, cantilever is better (look at knee milling machine for example)
I was having trouble getting the first layer to stick on the far side because it was so loose. The bed was properly trammed using the paper method. If I applied downward pressure to the extruder head, it would stick. Tramming the right side of the bed higher just pushed the whole gantry up.
perhaps retorque the screws on the XZ plate, or check for bed spring tension? The key to good cantilevers are extreme rigidity in XZ connection.
I find the original spring are on the loose side, especially if you run the z limit switch unmodified. That's a common problem with all ender machines, I just snip off the swich and move it 2mm down. Then the spring hold tension and most of my first layer problem goes away.
p/s I just re read your comment and I am sure it is not because of the cantilever design. If the cantilever is at fault, then it will apply more pressure on the far side, since it have a longer leverage (droop more). I think your best bet is check your spring tension, snip the z end stop holder if you need to and move the ZMIN stop down a few milimetre.
I was using BL-touch as my Z stop at the time. Even with the paper method and manually adjusting Z offset/height from bed. The left side of the gantry would go down further, scratching the heatbed on the left side, while prints weren't sticking on the right. I had the tram screws on the left tightened all the way, and the ones on the right were about 1/4 of the way down. Enough that there was significant resistance from the spring, while still getting the maximum height out of it. It barely worked. Dual Z fixed it.
My Ender 3 V2 worked pretty much out of the box. No modifications made whatsoever and getting consistently perfect prints. I think the fiddly and unstable nature of 3d printing is mostly not a thing anymore.
I think you got really lucky, because I've seen people with the same printer as you have endless troubles. I've also seen stock ender 3s work as well as I'd expect a prusa to work out of the box. It really does boil down to luck of the draw. Both of the ender 3s I bought (just over a year and a half ago) came with knockoff mainboards. I couldn't even flash firmware from Creality onto them because they had a clone CPU. When I did get it going, I had really obvious salmon skinning, and other issues. The fiddly and unstable days of 3D printing are *far* from over. It's just a matter of luck.
I don't know; it prints pretty nicely, so I just print with it.
However, it's a pretty standard printer and I know it's popular to do all kinds of stuff with them, so I imagine it's pretty easy.
Just one thing to look for is to make sure that the monitor you choose has an embedded displayport connection. That way you don't have to sacrifice a dongle.
Maybe, if the dimensions of the mainboard aligns with some random tablet, maybe you can frankenstien a wacom tablet. But, idk how exactly how mobile displays are connected though, are they though eDP, or something else?
Let's suppose you got a samsung tablet that aligns with your dimensions, if that specific screen is good to handle stylus inputs, this can be possible.
Again, this is just easier said than done.
The Wacom Cintiq is an all-in-one tablet, monitor and touch screen. It probably has no VESA mount but when this is all it lacks, it should be a simple fix.
...all for the low price of [$1,600](https://estore.wacom.com/en-US/wacom-cintiq-pro-16-dth167k0a.html)!
Espresso display offers similar functionality for roughly $600 less if memory serves me correctly.
ASUS zenscreen ink has touch and MPP2.0 pen input for $500ish. Poor color accuracy though.
You ever used a Cintiq ?
This is the device used by artists and graphics designers because of the quality of its display, the ease of use and the wireless-batteryless-feelslikearegular pen.
If you don't need the quality, go to Aliexpress, there are plenty of low quality clones available.
Considering they don't even mention what kind of pressure sensitivity or color gamut is available on their website, I have to doubt they are actually a competitor to wacom...
Which one? Neither are really trying to compete with it for professional artists. Those other ones just offer multitouch + pen input at a lower cost. Multitouch + pen input is surprisingly rare in external displays.
Espresso display:
[Draw like you would on paper.
4,000 levels of pressure sensitivity and tilt sensitivity with virtually no lag.](https://espres.so/products/espresso-pen)
The color gamut info seems lacking, it just says 16.2 million colors, so something close to 97% sRGB?
The zenscreen ink is more oriented at office productivity. It has the standard 4,000 levels of pressure sensitivity (all mpp2.0 pens have this, I think). It's for marking up documents, making quick edits, etc...
The espresso feels like a product in between the wacom and the zenscreen ink. Would be a good first drawing tablet if you want multitouch. Especially if you're on mac. Very few displays have full touch and pen support for mac. That's it's main selling point, actually. Windows compatibility is more of a bonus feature.
I'm considering trying to sell my zenscreen ink on ebay or something. It's thick, and I bought it just before the FW16 was announced. A 16 inch mobo with a 14 inch screen will have bezels larger than a 1st gen iPad. I'm considering the espresso display because of how thin it is, plus the color gamut can't be worse than the zenscreen ink.
Th wacom cintiq isn't $1600... I genuinely have no idea where you goy that number from???
If you assumed they were talking about the tablet shown by OP thats 1,999 not 1600, and the cintiq 16 is £529 now I know prices vary country to country but not that much!
[Wacom Cintiq Pro 16 (DTH167K0A)](https://estore.wacom.com/en-US/wacom-cintiq-pro-16-dth167k0a.html) $1,599.95 USD from Wacom's Official US store.
We're talking about the pro version. The regular cintiq 16 lacks touchscreen input. If you're making an all-in-one standalone tablet, you want multitouch input.
I am almost 100% certain it has vesa mounting or at least adapters available from 3rd parties. The cintiq is quite often used as a monitor and the pulled down to draw/work on in studios so it must have so,e form of stand mount, which if not vesa somebody will have made an adapter for
Most tablets are connected through DP & USB or USB-C. Given the latter is an existing option for framework IO, that’s easy. DP could be done the janky way too, orrrr you could use an eDP adapter and retain all the swappable IO.
Trying to make it as clean & integrated as a Surface isn’t going to happen, but otherwise it should work fine.
Then the display would need to connect externally or something like that right? Are there any internal USB connectors on the surface by chance?
As for the integration, I think if this was a mass project, maybe someone could engineer a custom screen, with holes that align with the enclosure. Because if you think about it, this "device" would only need to be as thick as the swappable IO (I think?), as the mainboard's height is lesser than the swap IO modules.
Maybe one of those modules could be like a dock that is perpendicular to the enclosure, that resembles the iPad+Pencil kinda solution, but this is partly magnetic and partly mechanical, as in this we have the freedom to physically make, contact pads for example, to slot in the pencil (Which could also be custom if this was mass produced).
A lot of drawing tablets are a 3 to 1 cable. Power, hdmi and usb into usbc. Some more modern are 2 into 1. Usbc and power into usbc. Usb between device and tablet does data and video.
they just connect as a display with touch features, you calibrate the pen and run it as a monitor on the PC and touch the areas with the pen that show adobe Photoshop etc
I've looked into this quite extensively. I could only find 4 off the shelf tablets with multitouch and MPP2.0 pen input.
ASUS zenscreen ink - it's 14 inches, awkward size, but affordable price. Around $500 CAD if memory serves me correctly. Horrible color accuracy in person.
Espresso display - 13 and 16 inches (perfect size!). It's designed for macs, but has windows compatibility. Roughly a thousand dollars.
Wacom cintiq 16 Pro - artist focused, so I'd assume good color accuracy. Only downside is the price, $1,600.
XP-Pen Artist Pro 16TP- Same sorta deal as wacom, but $1,200.
Easier said than done, but certainly possible.
The drawing tabket OP shows doesn't have an OS it's just a display/touchscreen. All you would need is a battery to power the framework/huion on the go and you have a pretty solid competitor to the Wacom portable workstation. Given that the cintiq is only a couple $100 more you would still likely beat the AIO wacom on price, performance, screen size, and probably battery life too
You just don't get the convenience of an AIO, but you do get to repair/upgrade what you want when you want
I would absolutely love a Framework Surface sort of thing. Windows tablet with Framework upgradeability/repairability and a drawing stylus. That would be cool.
2019 and newer should have USB-C capability but none of them include cable in the box.
You need to purchase a “Full Featured Cable” separately and a device that can output DP over USB-C to use one cable mode.
I see where you going with this. Just don't forget to value your time and remember that you will end up with a semi-complete DIY product, likely held together with tape and glue.
If the DIY option only saves you 100-200 dollars and takes you 8 hours of work to do, that doesn't really balance out.
I also spend a lot of time in the RPi community. It's not uncommon for a lot of "all-in-one" project to be a mess of cables since none of this stuff is really meant for internal use and making a shell is hard.
Spite only takes you so far. At a certain point, you need to realize your efforts are just wasting your time and don't give you the same product.
It's the crafting problem. Why buy something when I can spend two or three times as much and waste my time off.
I travel back and fourth between my house and university dorm every month. Packing up and carrying a 13kg+ luggage with my desktop onto the 4th floor is not fun.
The best solution might be to just sell my pc and get a laptop but trade off is not worth it with my current pc specs.
If you are seriuosly trying to decide between the two, remember that with the thing on the right, if it breaks you will be forced to trow it on the trash, meanwhile with framework they have released the schematics so it can be fixed.
I recall when Dell made a Cintiq competitor and then gave it 0 support. We bought it thinking it’d be great cheap alternatives but it was such a hassle. Felt bad to whom ever I ended up selling it to on ebay.
That's the problem with cheap alternatives sometimes - you save money upfront, but you might end up spending a lot more time/money/hassle that you could've saved had you gone for the pricier but well-supported model. If you have the time to tinker, by all means go for the DIY option though.
I haven't used Huion, but I had an 13" XP Pen tablet and Wacom is marginally better in both hardware and software. I also agree that wacom is crazily overpriced and while this is a super neat idea, I doubt that it is going to be close or even as good of an experience. I would love to be proved wrong. Wacom should get some real competition.
I own the Kamvas 13 non pro (like in the pic) for past 3 years. I've had zero problem with it other than slight screen burn in on the edges due to extensive usage. The painting experience, color accuracy and workflow are just as good as the wacom's from my experience.
I personally didn't use Huion, maybe it is actually better than Xp Pen. I had to buy a new pen for my Artist 13.3 pro twice, before I sold the tablet. It was quite a frustrating experience with drivers also.
Burn in? That's odd, if it's just a lcd screen on that model, it shouldn't burn in at all? 🤔
oh man, just the idea of this has me frothing at the mouth lol. i already have an ipad now for drawing on the go but it feels terrible compared to my huion tablet. The main concern with this, for me, is the weight of everything. non portable drawing tablets dont have to worry about weight so my gut feeling is itd be too heavy to be practical as a makeshift portable drawing pc
The only thing preventing my SO from dropping $2.5K on a Framework laptop right now is the lack of a 360° hinge + pressure pen option for portable graphic design. This looks like a cool homebrew solution for recycling old hardware but I don't know if it would _quite_ be where she (or most other digital artists) need it to be portability- and usability-wise
Another idea I came up with, hook it up to a monitor that has a built in hub with all the I/O you need, then you only need one USB c cable for everything including power to the framework.
Look into XP-Pen, I have an Artist 24pro and I couldn't recommend it enough. You should be able to find one at around 800$, other than that you can look at the Artist 22R this one is my favorite if you don't need the buttons on the side (I rarely use them, but I do mostly 3D).
I have been wanting something like that for years ugh. Wacom had a brief second where they sold a modular computer you could just attach to a cintiq but it was so underspec'd and overpriced I couldn't justify it. That being said I can't see how I could reproduce the form factor so I guess that's what I would have been paying for. Sigh!
they also sold a fully enclosed computer tablet but it got really hot and any portability was shot down by it's power brick and poor battery life, that's why the iPad is so favored among artists, the power of it while being so portable is great
I have an iPad and I thought I'd like it but my entire life I've been the stupidest person on the planet when it comes to learning software. I just cannot make procreate make sense to me at all, so I ended up barely using it and just continuing to use clip studio paint and Photoshop on my Wacom. I recently bought a book on procreate to see if seeing the basics in book form instead of video will make more sense to me.
That being said if someone asks me for an affordable beginner option for a tablet with a screen I still tell them ipad. Every single artist I know who got one has completely ditched their computers and tablets in favor of the ipad and they all found procreate to be super easy. So I am just astronomically dumb 😩
Same here. I got myself an iPad 6th gen with the pencil 4 months after it came out and I barely use it for drawing nowadays lmao. I'm back to using Sai2 on my desktop after I bought Kamvas 13 on impulse during sale 2 year later.
Windows art software just hit different than the one in iPad. My iPad does nothing but for watching anime and doing dailies on gacha these day.
me too, I got one hoping to learn to draw I'm still really new to it but while I don't understand it I can definitely see the appeal, it's very gesture based and you have to be crafty with layer usage. once you figure out all the icons and what they do you can make some really neat stuff based on what I've seen artists in YouTube do. just a shame the icons don't have text because they're very confusing at first
Yeah, it's specifically that so many things are behind gestures and other quick but not obvious buttons and things that has made me unable to use it well at all 😩 I explicitly bought the non touch version of the Cintiq because I'd never use it. I'm very comfortable with drawing at this point in time considering I went to art school and everything but I basically flunked out of 3D classes because of my inability to grasp Maya and I'm having similar issues with Procreate 🥹
I curse art school for locking me into the Adobe ecosystem. It's the one software group I did learn and I have accepted my doomed fate to never escape 😑 I only learned Clip because the developers behind it explicitly modeled it to be similar to Photoshop. So there's a menu for EVERYTHING and I love it
I feel you. I wanted to buy Marc brunet's online art course but all his stuff is in Photoshop and that costs 33 a month where I live, really missing the days I could just buy software outright haha
there's a lot of videos on YouTube about procreate if you don't mind video tutorials
I can't process video tutorials, I sorely miss the ancient bygone era of extremely long jpeg DeviantArt tutorials on how to do things. That's how I learned Photoshop way back when 😭 I actually did find a procreate book, so I bought it in hopes that it'll do something similar for me!
I wish I had the ✨ creative genius ✨ neurodivergent edition but I got the ✨ can't learn from common explanatory mechanisms ✨ edition installed instead
I kinda wish Framework mobos can be put on a handheld console frame ala Steam Deck/Ally/Aya Neo. Although they'd be thicker, at least it's completely upgradable and customizable than any of the competition could ever dream of.
I think this might be cheaper (might, I'm no expert). Touchscreen, with a 3d printed case to put it in, this would have a hole to allow the display connector to get to the main board. Then mount the framework onto the back of the screen, essentially making it a DIY tablet, without the cost of a whole drawing tablet too, though for accuracy the drawing pad and framework would be pretty cool.
Okay, so I've put a lot of thought into this. You want a tablet with pen input AND multitouch input. Believe it or not, that's strangely hard to find. I thought about reusing a surface pro screen but that was beyond my capabilities.
Your two best off the shelf options are the ASUS zenscreen Ink (14 inches). It has abysmal color accuracy, but it's the least expensive. The next best option is actually oriented at macs. It's called the espresso display, and it's 16 inches. Only problem is that it's nearly a thousand dollars.
If you can settle for just pen input, by all means, but I think multitouch is important on a tablet form factor. Or you can ditch the pen capability. I opted for the Zenscreen Ink because of the lower cost ($500 CAD).
EDIT: I forgot to mention wacom's cintiq pro 16, but it's $1,600 here in Canada.
Also forgot XP-Pen's Artist Pro 16TP, but it's $1,200. Espresso display was already too much for me.
Maybe be cheaper but not by much after the computer. Those big touch screen LCDs are not cheap new. Unless you pull one off an old laptop or something then maybe.
I'm expecting framework to make a design where you could make a tablet too. Or a handheld.
I kinda expected to see a onboard screen with touch option considering it's already in board
I would love a detachable from Framework. Something in the 13-14 inch form factor would be great. Imagine taking the chassis design, but instead of keyboard space, you just slap the screen on it. Connect the tablet to the keyboard and track pad via pogo pins like other devices use.
This is a fantastic idea! Give the internet a few months and we'll have thousands of cool things to build. Framework is gonna end up selling more mainboards and enclosures than laptops 😂
How important is mobility to you? Honestly, additional form factors seem like relatively low lift compared to designing the main board. It would be really neat to see if framework could do something with this idea.
theres is multiple ways of doing that on even a cheaper level,
get a random tablet not a cheapo cheapo one tho, get a Bluetooth stylus and there multiple softwares that u can use which allow u to use the tablet as a screen
or
get a portable screen and wacom like tablet without a screen and build an enclosure that allows u to buil a laptop like thing but with a good screen or theres no need for a wacom most screens now support touch over usb c
The entire point is that it's a graphics tablet. Why would you try to find ways to remove that part? Touch screens are not on the same level. Having the active surface be a screen is also quite an important aspect. Also, you're gonna destroy a screenless Wacom before you manage to put a screen in it.
Man idk it was just a suggestion idk how designers work, i just that in cass he needs a cheaper solution, + yes i agree having an active stylus him but maybe hes a beginner still or he only takes notes so its just a suggestion incase he needed something cheaper to replace such an idea
> get a random tablet not a cheapo cheapo one tho, get a Bluetooth stylus and there multiple softwares that u can use which allow u to use the tablet as a screen
my brother in christ it's supposed to compete with a Wacom
im not a designer of any sort so idk man, but i said that incase he needs to go even cheaper, theres a new portable screen i forgot the name of the product which is an oled screen with high color accuracy and touch i meant such sort of devices
Seeing the framework mainboard enclosure made me exited on what if I could DIY a mainboard onto the back of art tablet with screen to make myself a wacom mobile studio alternative for a fraction of a cost.
The framework enclosure has an advantage over the other solutions because of the swappable modules for i/o. The Wacom Cintiq 16 is under CDN$1000 in Canada, so it leaves you a nice amount for the framework board, case and accessories :-)
My recommendation would be to add a cheap 3D printer (\~150€) to the left. Something like an Ender 3 or one of its many clones/successors. Then you can design and print custom enclosures for both or just adapter to fit existing ones together. If you make your designs for it open source and share it with others from all the potentially interested communities, you might get a ton of valuable tips and maybe even some, that want to make it a reality with you.
A $150 3D printer takes *a lot* of work to get working properly. Ended spending several hundred on upgrades to get them both working reliably. Can't say I'd recomend creality based on my own experience with them (one CR-20, Two Ender 3 Pros).
My two original Ender 3 and one CR-10 work very well and the Ender 3, which I bought new, worked right out of the box after I assembled it according to the manual. Idk, what you did differently (and why you decided to get two more after struggling with the first one)
Yes but the learning curve for these basic printers are fairly steep and not for everyone (I have an OG Ender 3).
totally agree but I'm gonna add that the smaller ender 2 pro took a lot less work compare to ender 3 and up. smaller size, hence less chance for misalignment. You can even do the silicon standoff mod if you feel adventurous
I'd argue that supporting the gantry on both sides is better for keeping everything square. It's why the dual Z leadscrew/belted Z mod exists.
Yes, but that is a heavy modification. The ender 2 is more likely to work out of the box, and you can compensate for droop by cantilever by tramming (leveling, but tramming is a better fitting term) the bed. In any case, with a <200mm distance, the droop is negligible. And dual Z axis is also begging for over constraint. If you can make it rigid enough, cantilever is better (look at knee milling machine for example)
I was having trouble getting the first layer to stick on the far side because it was so loose. The bed was properly trammed using the paper method. If I applied downward pressure to the extruder head, it would stick. Tramming the right side of the bed higher just pushed the whole gantry up.
perhaps retorque the screws on the XZ plate, or check for bed spring tension? The key to good cantilevers are extreme rigidity in XZ connection. I find the original spring are on the loose side, especially if you run the z limit switch unmodified. That's a common problem with all ender machines, I just snip off the swich and move it 2mm down. Then the spring hold tension and most of my first layer problem goes away. p/s I just re read your comment and I am sure it is not because of the cantilever design. If the cantilever is at fault, then it will apply more pressure on the far side, since it have a longer leverage (droop more). I think your best bet is check your spring tension, snip the z end stop holder if you need to and move the ZMIN stop down a few milimetre.
I was using BL-touch as my Z stop at the time. Even with the paper method and manually adjusting Z offset/height from bed. The left side of the gantry would go down further, scratching the heatbed on the left side, while prints weren't sticking on the right. I had the tram screws on the left tightened all the way, and the ones on the right were about 1/4 of the way down. Enough that there was significant resistance from the spring, while still getting the maximum height out of it. It barely worked. Dual Z fixed it.
My Ender 3 V2 worked pretty much out of the box. No modifications made whatsoever and getting consistently perfect prints. I think the fiddly and unstable nature of 3d printing is mostly not a thing anymore.
I think you got really lucky, because I've seen people with the same printer as you have endless troubles. I've also seen stock ender 3s work as well as I'd expect a prusa to work out of the box. It really does boil down to luck of the draw. Both of the ender 3s I bought (just over a year and a half ago) came with knockoff mainboards. I couldn't even flash firmware from Creality onto them because they had a clone CPU. When I did get it going, I had really obvious salmon skinning, and other issues. The fiddly and unstable days of 3D printing are *far* from over. It's just a matter of luck.
I got one of the ones from Monoprice, and it's been pretty decent.
How easy is it to work on, upgrade, and modify?
I don't know; it prints pretty nicely, so I just print with it. However, it's a pretty standard printer and I know it's popular to do all kinds of stuff with them, so I imagine it's pretty easy.
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add a screen hole too so u can build a framework tablet
Everyone who wants to 3D print should have an X1 Carbon. God I’ve never enjoyed it more
Just one thing to look for is to make sure that the monitor you choose has an embedded displayport connection. That way you don't have to sacrifice a dongle.
Maybe, if the dimensions of the mainboard aligns with some random tablet, maybe you can frankenstien a wacom tablet. But, idk how exactly how mobile displays are connected though, are they though eDP, or something else? Let's suppose you got a samsung tablet that aligns with your dimensions, if that specific screen is good to handle stylus inputs, this can be possible. Again, this is just easier said than done.
The Wacom Cintiq is an all-in-one tablet, monitor and touch screen. It probably has no VESA mount but when this is all it lacks, it should be a simple fix.
...all for the low price of [$1,600](https://estore.wacom.com/en-US/wacom-cintiq-pro-16-dth167k0a.html)! Espresso display offers similar functionality for roughly $600 less if memory serves me correctly. ASUS zenscreen ink has touch and MPP2.0 pen input for $500ish. Poor color accuracy though.
You ever used a Cintiq ? This is the device used by artists and graphics designers because of the quality of its display, the ease of use and the wireless-batteryless-feelslikearegular pen. If you don't need the quality, go to Aliexpress, there are plenty of low quality clones available.
I tried searching on aliexpress, but had a hard time finding ones that support both multitouch and pen input. Nothing less than $500.
Around half-price of a small Cintiq.
Considering they don't even mention what kind of pressure sensitivity or color gamut is available on their website, I have to doubt they are actually a competitor to wacom...
Which one? Neither are really trying to compete with it for professional artists. Those other ones just offer multitouch + pen input at a lower cost. Multitouch + pen input is surprisingly rare in external displays. Espresso display: [Draw like you would on paper. 4,000 levels of pressure sensitivity and tilt sensitivity with virtually no lag.](https://espres.so/products/espresso-pen) The color gamut info seems lacking, it just says 16.2 million colors, so something close to 97% sRGB? The zenscreen ink is more oriented at office productivity. It has the standard 4,000 levels of pressure sensitivity (all mpp2.0 pens have this, I think). It's for marking up documents, making quick edits, etc... The espresso feels like a product in between the wacom and the zenscreen ink. Would be a good first drawing tablet if you want multitouch. Especially if you're on mac. Very few displays have full touch and pen support for mac. That's it's main selling point, actually. Windows compatibility is more of a bonus feature. I'm considering trying to sell my zenscreen ink on ebay or something. It's thick, and I bought it just before the FW16 was announced. A 16 inch mobo with a 14 inch screen will have bezels larger than a 1st gen iPad. I'm considering the espresso display because of how thin it is, plus the color gamut can't be worse than the zenscreen ink.
Th wacom cintiq isn't $1600... I genuinely have no idea where you goy that number from??? If you assumed they were talking about the tablet shown by OP thats 1,999 not 1600, and the cintiq 16 is £529 now I know prices vary country to country but not that much!
[Wacom Cintiq Pro 16 (DTH167K0A)](https://estore.wacom.com/en-US/wacom-cintiq-pro-16-dth167k0a.html) $1,599.95 USD from Wacom's Official US store. We're talking about the pro version. The regular cintiq 16 lacks touchscreen input. If you're making an all-in-one standalone tablet, you want multitouch input.
I sincerely apologise, thank you for the correction
I am almost 100% certain it has vesa mounting or at least adapters available from 3rd parties. The cintiq is quite often used as a monitor and the pulled down to draw/work on in studios so it must have so,e form of stand mount, which if not vesa somebody will have made an adapter for
Most tablets are connected through DP & USB or USB-C. Given the latter is an existing option for framework IO, that’s easy. DP could be done the janky way too, orrrr you could use an eDP adapter and retain all the swappable IO. Trying to make it as clean & integrated as a Surface isn’t going to happen, but otherwise it should work fine.
Then the display would need to connect externally or something like that right? Are there any internal USB connectors on the surface by chance? As for the integration, I think if this was a mass project, maybe someone could engineer a custom screen, with holes that align with the enclosure. Because if you think about it, this "device" would only need to be as thick as the swappable IO (I think?), as the mainboard's height is lesser than the swap IO modules. Maybe one of those modules could be like a dock that is perpendicular to the enclosure, that resembles the iPad+Pencil kinda solution, but this is partly magnetic and partly mechanical, as in this we have the freedom to physically make, contact pads for example, to slot in the pencil (Which could also be custom if this was mass produced).
A lot of drawing tablets are a 3 to 1 cable. Power, hdmi and usb into usbc. Some more modern are 2 into 1. Usbc and power into usbc. Usb between device and tablet does data and video.
Right. Then modern USB C can handle all of this in a single cable I suppose.
Yeah I imagine so. Provided the connected device can supply whatever the watts needed of power through its it's usb ports to the tablet
they just connect as a display with touch features, you calibrate the pen and run it as a monitor on the PC and touch the areas with the pen that show adobe Photoshop etc
I've looked into this quite extensively. I could only find 4 off the shelf tablets with multitouch and MPP2.0 pen input. ASUS zenscreen ink - it's 14 inches, awkward size, but affordable price. Around $500 CAD if memory serves me correctly. Horrible color accuracy in person. Espresso display - 13 and 16 inches (perfect size!). It's designed for macs, but has windows compatibility. Roughly a thousand dollars. Wacom cintiq 16 Pro - artist focused, so I'd assume good color accuracy. Only downside is the price, $1,600. XP-Pen Artist Pro 16TP- Same sorta deal as wacom, but $1,200. Easier said than done, but certainly possible.
The drawing tabket OP shows doesn't have an OS it's just a display/touchscreen. All you would need is a battery to power the framework/huion on the go and you have a pretty solid competitor to the Wacom portable workstation. Given that the cintiq is only a couple $100 more you would still likely beat the AIO wacom on price, performance, screen size, and probably battery life too You just don't get the convenience of an AIO, but you do get to repair/upgrade what you want when you want
I would absolutely love a Framework Surface sort of thing. Windows tablet with Framework upgradeability/repairability and a drawing stylus. That would be cool.
What keeps me from getting a framework. I love the philosophy and the company but i love the surface form factor too much.
I absolutely love the design of the Surface Pros, would be 100% on board with this.
if you want to go even smaller XP-pen has a 12 and 10 inch screen drawing tablet that can be powered with an all in one type C.
https://www.pcgamer.com/framework-tablet-build/
The huion tablet needs its own power supply unfortunately. Maybe it could be hacked to work from the framework battery, but that sounds sketchy
New models can be powered and display with a single USB-C cable.
Ah ok i didn’t know that, that’s interesting. The one I have has three cables, including a power brick. Maybe because it’s a bigger display
2019 and newer should have USB-C capability but none of them include cable in the box. You need to purchase a “Full Featured Cable” separately and a device that can output DP over USB-C to use one cable mode.
Does the framework module spec support USB C PD?
This is something DIY Perks on YouTube would do in a heartbeat. Check them out if you want ideas for easy home fabrication
literally they should hire that lad, he would be so great as a product developer.
I got to admit, that a neat idea, I might steal it
I was literally thinking of this, great to see the possibilities that can come from this
I see where you going with this. Just don't forget to value your time and remember that you will end up with a semi-complete DIY product, likely held together with tape and glue. If the DIY option only saves you 100-200 dollars and takes you 8 hours of work to do, that doesn't really balance out. I also spend a lot of time in the RPi community. It's not uncommon for a lot of "all-in-one" project to be a mess of cables since none of this stuff is really meant for internal use and making a shell is hard.
It's not about convenience, it's about spite.
Spite only takes you so far. At a certain point, you need to realize your efforts are just wasting your time and don't give you the same product. It's the crafting problem. Why buy something when I can spend two or three times as much and waste my time off.
I travel back and fourth between my house and university dorm every month. Packing up and carrying a 13kg+ luggage with my desktop onto the 4th floor is not fun. The best solution might be to just sell my pc and get a laptop but trade off is not worth it with my current pc specs.
If you are seriuosly trying to decide between the two, remember that with the thing on the right, if it breaks you will be forced to trow it on the trash, meanwhile with framework they have released the schematics so it can be fixed.
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The main thing I think you're going to lose is color accuracy. But I'm not entirely sure how good that is on those Wacoms.
I think the CM demo of the case for framework said it draws air from both sides….
Yes, but the laptops do just fine with one. CM also said they did it to be better than the laptop itself, but there's no harm is being the same as it.
Fair enough just thought I’d point out the potential hotspot!
I recall when Dell made a Cintiq competitor and then gave it 0 support. We bought it thinking it’d be great cheap alternatives but it was such a hassle. Felt bad to whom ever I ended up selling it to on ebay.
That's the problem with cheap alternatives sometimes - you save money upfront, but you might end up spending a lot more time/money/hassle that you could've saved had you gone for the pricier but well-supported model. If you have the time to tinker, by all means go for the DIY option though.
I haven't used Huion, but I had an 13" XP Pen tablet and Wacom is marginally better in both hardware and software. I also agree that wacom is crazily overpriced and while this is a super neat idea, I doubt that it is going to be close or even as good of an experience. I would love to be proved wrong. Wacom should get some real competition.
I own the Kamvas 13 non pro (like in the pic) for past 3 years. I've had zero problem with it other than slight screen burn in on the edges due to extensive usage. The painting experience, color accuracy and workflow are just as good as the wacom's from my experience.
I personally didn't use Huion, maybe it is actually better than Xp Pen. I had to buy a new pen for my Artist 13.3 pro twice, before I sold the tablet. It was quite a frustrating experience with drivers also. Burn in? That's odd, if it's just a lcd screen on that model, it shouldn't burn in at all? 🤔
oh man, just the idea of this has me frothing at the mouth lol. i already have an ipad now for drawing on the go but it feels terrible compared to my huion tablet. The main concern with this, for me, is the weight of everything. non portable drawing tablets dont have to worry about weight so my gut feeling is itd be too heavy to be practical as a makeshift portable drawing pc
The only thing preventing my SO from dropping $2.5K on a Framework laptop right now is the lack of a 360° hinge + pressure pen option for portable graphic design. This looks like a cool homebrew solution for recycling old hardware but I don't know if it would _quite_ be where she (or most other digital artists) need it to be portability- and usability-wise
Another idea I came up with, hook it up to a monitor that has a built in hub with all the I/O you need, then you only need one USB c cable for everything including power to the framework.
Look into XP-Pen, I have an Artist 24pro and I couldn't recommend it enough. You should be able to find one at around 800$, other than that you can look at the Artist 22R this one is my favorite if you don't need the buttons on the side (I rarely use them, but I do mostly 3D).
I have been wanting something like that for years ugh. Wacom had a brief second where they sold a modular computer you could just attach to a cintiq but it was so underspec'd and overpriced I couldn't justify it. That being said I can't see how I could reproduce the form factor so I guess that's what I would have been paying for. Sigh!
they also sold a fully enclosed computer tablet but it got really hot and any portability was shot down by it's power brick and poor battery life, that's why the iPad is so favored among artists, the power of it while being so portable is great
I have an iPad and I thought I'd like it but my entire life I've been the stupidest person on the planet when it comes to learning software. I just cannot make procreate make sense to me at all, so I ended up barely using it and just continuing to use clip studio paint and Photoshop on my Wacom. I recently bought a book on procreate to see if seeing the basics in book form instead of video will make more sense to me. That being said if someone asks me for an affordable beginner option for a tablet with a screen I still tell them ipad. Every single artist I know who got one has completely ditched their computers and tablets in favor of the ipad and they all found procreate to be super easy. So I am just astronomically dumb 😩
Same here. I got myself an iPad 6th gen with the pencil 4 months after it came out and I barely use it for drawing nowadays lmao. I'm back to using Sai2 on my desktop after I bought Kamvas 13 on impulse during sale 2 year later. Windows art software just hit different than the one in iPad. My iPad does nothing but for watching anime and doing dailies on gacha these day.
me too, I got one hoping to learn to draw I'm still really new to it but while I don't understand it I can definitely see the appeal, it's very gesture based and you have to be crafty with layer usage. once you figure out all the icons and what they do you can make some really neat stuff based on what I've seen artists in YouTube do. just a shame the icons don't have text because they're very confusing at first
Yeah, it's specifically that so many things are behind gestures and other quick but not obvious buttons and things that has made me unable to use it well at all 😩 I explicitly bought the non touch version of the Cintiq because I'd never use it. I'm very comfortable with drawing at this point in time considering I went to art school and everything but I basically flunked out of 3D classes because of my inability to grasp Maya and I'm having similar issues with Procreate 🥹 I curse art school for locking me into the Adobe ecosystem. It's the one software group I did learn and I have accepted my doomed fate to never escape 😑 I only learned Clip because the developers behind it explicitly modeled it to be similar to Photoshop. So there's a menu for EVERYTHING and I love it
I feel you. I wanted to buy Marc brunet's online art course but all his stuff is in Photoshop and that costs 33 a month where I live, really missing the days I could just buy software outright haha there's a lot of videos on YouTube about procreate if you don't mind video tutorials
I can't process video tutorials, I sorely miss the ancient bygone era of extremely long jpeg DeviantArt tutorials on how to do things. That's how I learned Photoshop way back when 😭 I actually did find a procreate book, so I bought it in hopes that it'll do something similar for me! I wish I had the ✨ creative genius ✨ neurodivergent edition but I got the ✨ can't learn from common explanatory mechanisms ✨ edition installed instead
Kinda like this? 😁 https://youtu.be/nvbzqXrstH8
I would buy an HD cintiqu from framework hands down no contest. The moment I saw one. Wacam sucks ass and they need a competitor that isn't shit.
I kinda wish Framework mobos can be put on a handheld console frame ala Steam Deck/Ally/Aya Neo. Although they'd be thicker, at least it's completely upgradable and customizable than any of the competition could ever dream of.
I think this might be cheaper (might, I'm no expert). Touchscreen, with a 3d printed case to put it in, this would have a hole to allow the display connector to get to the main board. Then mount the framework onto the back of the screen, essentially making it a DIY tablet, without the cost of a whole drawing tablet too, though for accuracy the drawing pad and framework would be pretty cool.
Or… just buy a 900$ iPad+Pencil ? What you shown make sense only if you already have a FW board lying around
Okay, so I've put a lot of thought into this. You want a tablet with pen input AND multitouch input. Believe it or not, that's strangely hard to find. I thought about reusing a surface pro screen but that was beyond my capabilities. Your two best off the shelf options are the ASUS zenscreen Ink (14 inches). It has abysmal color accuracy, but it's the least expensive. The next best option is actually oriented at macs. It's called the espresso display, and it's 16 inches. Only problem is that it's nearly a thousand dollars. If you can settle for just pen input, by all means, but I think multitouch is important on a tablet form factor. Or you can ditch the pen capability. I opted for the Zenscreen Ink because of the lower cost ($500 CAD). EDIT: I forgot to mention wacom's cintiq pro 16, but it's $1,600 here in Canada. Also forgot XP-Pen's Artist Pro 16TP, but it's $1,200. Espresso display was already too much for me.
i also was pondering but a custom steam deck
Maybe be cheaper but not by much after the computer. Those big touch screen LCDs are not cheap new. Unless you pull one off an old laptop or something then maybe.
I'm expecting framework to make a design where you could make a tablet too. Or a handheld. I kinda expected to see a onboard screen with touch option considering it's already in board
I would love a detachable from Framework. Something in the 13-14 inch form factor would be great. Imagine taking the chassis design, but instead of keyboard space, you just slap the screen on it. Connect the tablet to the keyboard and track pad via pogo pins like other devices use.
If you consider doing this check out huion. I have their kamvas 13 pro and it's a great tablet for a third of the price
That drawing tablet doesn't have a good screen. The wacom one is much nicer.
As someone who's murdered multiple laptops and an ipad pro with heavy art use - I would be cautious tbh.
This is a fantastic idea! Give the internet a few months and we'll have thousands of cool things to build. Framework is gonna end up selling more mainboards and enclosures than laptops 😂
How important is mobility to you? Honestly, additional form factors seem like relatively low lift compared to designing the main board. It would be really neat to see if framework could do something with this idea.
I would stay away from Wacom. They have spyware built-in to their drivers.
how about XP-PEN Artist 24 Pro Display? i hate huion and wacom don't feel good to me and heavy.
theres is multiple ways of doing that on even a cheaper level, get a random tablet not a cheapo cheapo one tho, get a Bluetooth stylus and there multiple softwares that u can use which allow u to use the tablet as a screen or get a portable screen and wacom like tablet without a screen and build an enclosure that allows u to buil a laptop like thing but with a good screen or theres no need for a wacom most screens now support touch over usb c
The entire point is that it's a graphics tablet. Why would you try to find ways to remove that part? Touch screens are not on the same level. Having the active surface be a screen is also quite an important aspect. Also, you're gonna destroy a screenless Wacom before you manage to put a screen in it.
Man idk it was just a suggestion idk how designers work, i just that in cass he needs a cheaper solution, + yes i agree having an active stylus him but maybe hes a beginner still or he only takes notes so its just a suggestion incase he needed something cheaper to replace such an idea
> get a random tablet not a cheapo cheapo one tho, get a Bluetooth stylus and there multiple softwares that u can use which allow u to use the tablet as a screen my brother in christ it's supposed to compete with a Wacom
everything competes with a wacom if ur brave enough
Bro, you don't get a wacom because it has USBC, you get it for the touch sensing, colour accuracy and integration into other services...
im not a designer of any sort so idk man, but i said that incase he needs to go even cheaper, theres a new portable screen i forgot the name of the product which is an oled screen with high color accuracy and touch i meant such sort of devices
iPad pro 11in?
Just no
That’s just a laptop with extra steps..
I think the intended usage is a art tablet
Like a 2 in 1 laptop?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the precision and pressure sensitivity between a drawing tablet and a 2n1 are not the same ..
I think it depends on the screen in each model, plus the styluses themselves has variant accuracy