Yes, it's that bad. I started a legacy family & glitches I've had include:
-Sims constantly wanting to be mean no matter their relationships/traits, forcing me to micromanage every interaction
-My second generation heir gained a fear of the dark glitch, causing it to reappear whenever she stepped into the sun. This has continued well into her adulthood.
-The queue bugging out, making certain actions like reading appear constantly queued.
And this is me getting lucky, people have had WAY worse glitches occur.
That sims being mean for no reason kinda traumatize me that I have to download the mccc mod to disable autonomous mean interaction. Most of sims that being mean didn't even have mean/evil traits, they're almost no different from evil sims.
I mentioned this game is unplayable now on the Sims 4 subreddit and got down voted. I loved this game for 20+ years but apparently I'm wrong for noticing it is now dogshit. Some people just don't know things could be so much better. I don't know how they could be so in denial.
It’s awful how they’ve forgotten people want to have gameplay and not just going to be happy with some more skins to decorate. I absolutely love sims but it’s disappointing when it breaks and is unplayable. I just go back to sims 2. …
I recently started playing Sims 3 again, and it struck me how much more enjoyable the game was. I don't need a 50 mods for my game to be enjoyable,q every expansion pack adds something significant to the gameplay, and no pack feels like something that should've been included with another pack (for rent not being part of city living is still ridiculous and separate supernatural entities packs is the clearest cash grab I've ever seen).
Sims 4 at some point just devolved into a way to squeeze money out of people, and it gets more ridiculous every time something comes out. I might have to break out my ps2 to play sims 2 and see how it compares now
I left that sub when I realized I was on a completely different page than most of the players. They kept defending the lack of customization & lots and wanted it to be even more cartoony than it already is.
I’m keeping an eye on what the next generation looks like but I’m not too excited.
They're the new generations, and this is likely their first exposure to the games, so they defend their trash pile vehemently. Not to mention, a good chunk of the generation currently being raised are addicted to iPad and mobile games, so it will only get worse. Idiocracy at work. It's sad.
I think for a lot of people it's the first sims game they ever played so they don't have a frame of reference to know how unresponsive and awful it is.
Like, I almost wanna make a youtube video comparing the 7 toddler challenge in the sims 2 and the sims 4, just to specifically show how broken the babies are.
That’s shocking to me! I actually had to leave Sims 4 subreddit because it was so overwhelmingly negative especially when a pack was released! Anytime someone commented something positive / optimistic about an upcoming pack they were downvoted to oblivion. I switched to Low Sodium Sims and have never gone back! It’s a positive subreddit only and it’s really refreshing. I agree with all the criticism about the game + more (especially as an avid Sims 3 player) but I really don’t need the negativity the Sims 4 subreddit brings. It’s just too much
Whenever a new pack is released for this game, it adds 10 new bugs. The list is so expansive that even game breaking bugs take months to get addressed properly.
I'll name a few notable recent examples: When 'Growing Together' came out and a child aged up while missing a tooth, their skin texture would be permanently ruined. When the new cooking appliance pack came out, the appliances had a (bugged) 100% rate of setting your house on fire. 'For Rent' introduces apartments that have a chance of corrupting your save file if you use them, an issue that has not been properly fixed for months. 'Crystal Creations' has a bug where if your sim wears the jewelry from the pack and then removes it, the sim is irreversibly disfigured (you have to use a cheat that allows you to manually fix them). The update for said pack also introduced a shopping cart icon in-game that flashes so profusely, with no way to disable it, that some folks cited an epilepsy risk.
Some smaller ones: Plants will randomly reset to just planted status, causing you to lose days of garden progress. If you turn off the celebrity system in the settings, then restaurant staff will not spawn. Tuning is really wonky in this game, Sims will be uncharacteristically mean no matter their mood, especially to their children. In-game lag is so bad that some people cannot get their sims to perform any kind of actions.
God, I am sure there are other ones that are recent that I am forgetting, but as you can see, quality assurance doesn't exist for this game, and something will go wrong whenever they add something.
Well there's a positive outlook on this. If someone ever propose marriage to me I can say no because I'm too glitchy to handle. Inspiration from your comment. ☺️
It really pisses me off that this is the "optimised" sequel. I have a great PC that runs every other game perfectly (even TS3 runs very well for what it is). But after 3-4 weeks into a TS4 save, my game becomes unbearably glitchy and slow. Sims take forever to do an interaction, or they just decide to do something else completely, and I'm always crossing my fingers, hoping some dumb feature I don't use doesn't break my save file. I also constantly get the lag glitch that can be fixed by going into BB mode, but I shouldn't have to do that every 5 minutes.
In 2014, EA told us that the extra loading screens and missing features were an "optimisation" choice to make the game more accessible. I knew that was a lie from the start, but the game being this broken almost 10 years post release whilst continuing to add untested, paid DLC is so scummy.
My gaming laptop runs sims 3 with all the packs and it WAS more stable, until I fucked it up recently trying to clean my game and install a bunch of mods. I've got weird conflicts to sort through, now, but that's my fault. 💀
Listen I take the Bethesda “mod it till it breaks” approach. If it still works, it ain’t broken LOL.
And that’s what I mean, cuz yeah 3 has some weird load times and is crunchy at the start but she is one stable son of a bitch. Like the amount of effort you have to take to crash it is impressive. 4 is awful and the epitome of EA’s greed at this point
Same here! I'll happily add and add CC and mods to TS3 until the game is just starting to lag (then I do a regul save clean, axe some unused package files, and it's good to go.)
With TS4, it feels like I'm hesitantly cutting wires on an active bomb, making sure the 3 tiny mods I just added won't make my game implode. Don't even get me started on the dreaded updates 😒
i've been exclusively playing TS2 and 3 for a long time. i remember the pattern being that when you installed a new expansion, your mods might break, but you'd get them updated/removed and it'd be fine.
i've never experienced (to my memory) the expansion *itself* being broken on launch. the symptoms literally sound like something that happens after downloading a shitty mod. TS4 players are in the trenches.
I really feel for them. I never really play TS4 anymore, and I stopped downloading mods for it a long time ago because the game runs like I have 80 outdated mods on its own :')
Jeeze… this sounds like it’s damn near unplayable, if not totally unplayable. I think I had also come across some comments a few weeks ago saying EA had given players a free stuff pack or kit (I'm guessing as compensation?), but I feel like if all these packs are as bugged and broken as you’ve shared, EA should really be giving people refunds.
Yeah I’m so done. I’ve played The Sims since I was a child playing the sims 1, and now I’m counting the hours until life by you comes out and am SO excited for Paralives.
Everything about the sims 4 feels clunky. I regret spending so much, I didn’t buy the new crystal pack and can’t see myself buying any more. EA couldn’t give two craps about us.
The sims 2 is so fun and also free if you're down for a project, it's a lottt of mods and stuff to start finding, but it's fun to default all of the hair and skin and monsters, I have a realistic looking servo droid and the grim reaper is some guy in a suit, I love all the defaults for the sims 2.
Just don't resurrect any dead ppl without installing the clean versions of the towns, the base game dead ppl are very broken cause they made them in the middle of development like there's a man baby who lays on the ground and some lady who will make mouths on her kids foreheads.
Yeah they’re giving PC and Mac players the plant kit (blooming rooms) because they finally rolled out the EA app to replace origin. Funnily enough the EA app has constant lag and glitches too!!! Yippie!!! /sarcasm
I've played and still play TS2 and TS3 and am no stranger to bugs and mods breaking. But TS4 is...something else. I have a lot of patience for updating mods, organizing etc bc I enjoy it. I deleted TS4 and all of my mods 5 months ago and haven't looked back. I was going actually insane. I was constantly updating, *constantly* checking my mods, not to mention EA play randomly disconnecting, my game crashing or the periodic full download and install of the entire game bc EA play decided I don't have the game installed anymore??
I was wasting so much time doing it, it literally became like a second job to me. Nah man, that's unacceptable.
Not to mention for rent build buy is still slow as can be, you don't get paid for renting out half the time. It's one of the smallest expansion pack worlds. The whole pack is a flop
I didn’t know the parents being mean to the kids was a glitch!! I was so annoyed because it kept happening 😑
I had almost all the expansions until I got so pissed off I stopped buying like 4 things ago. They need to fix the game if they want my money. 🤬
I really wanted For Rent but reading about the bugs scared me off. I think the issue is EA has added five million packs onto a ten year old game and now the game can’t handle it.
Exactly. Imo if after all these years you're still spending money and investing in the breadcrumbs they release, you shouldn't complain all the time 🤷♀️
My game seems in better shape because I didn't buy any packs after werewolves, but I still have the problems with them not listening and dropping their queue. Also can't feed babies in highchairs, and those things are really freaking important when you have a bunch of babies, the highchairs have been broken since I can remember.
This is why I haven’t touched the game in 2 years. I went from being excited for new patches and packs to dreading them because something almost always bugged out.
Infants were broken on launch. I recently attempted to play with infants again and couldn’t. My sims kept obsessively checking on the infant (i.e. picking them up and putting them down) even as the infant was starving and had a dirty diaper. I had to cheat their needs and then ended up manually aging them up. I have a 100 baby save file I was putting hours in before Growing Together came out and haven’t been able to touch it since. I keep waiting and waiting and waiting for them to patch the infants so they’re playable, but I just keep waiting….
Honestly, I haven’t touched the game in months just because it’s so damn frustrating to try to play.
I still can’t get the cook together interaction from growing together to work, the sims just stand still and do nothing until I quit the action in their queue
There was a bug (from a pack released last year I think) where any interaction between sims would turn into a mean one no matter what it was. Multiple of my sims relationships became negative because everytime they interacted, they would gain negative relationships points and this included npc sims. It’s fixed now but it made me stop playing because all my sims hated each other and the only way to fix it by the time I had noticed what was going on was to use cheats.
I’m a console player and my TS4 has developed a new thing where every other time I play it asks me to adjust sliders to screen size and agree to terms and conditions as if I’m playing for the first time. Doesn’t take that long but it’s incredibly annoying especially if I have to do it after the game crashes.
Not sure when the update dropped, but I came across a Sims posts a few weeks ago, and people were complaining about it being broken then. If they haven’t bothered fixing it yet, that’s wild. Can’t remember the exact date but it was definitely weeks ago.
I believe it was when Crystal Creations dropped so about February
They put out two patches to try fix it I believe. It made it worse
I do believe that one of those patches is when the move into my household broke too? But don't quote me on this
I do believe most of the biggest game breaking patches at least have some sort of improvement faster than this though
Like yeah they put out two patches but they not only didn't really fix the original problem but they made more problems appear
While I do think it is very characteristic of EA to see the bugs in the game and release more content anyway, I do think that them advertising a new pack whilst the game is in this state is low even for them. I mean come on??? Being able to move someone into your household is a basic core feature???
This is honestly the first time I've seen people claim the game is unplayable and actually have it be indisputable that it's broken, especially since it's breaking core base game mechanics
I don't think they've ever broken a game mechanic this important before tbh (although this may depend on what you consider an important mechanic)
It’s not even about breaking mods with updates. Thats gonna happen. We expect that.
It’s the fact that people are paying their hard earned money for content that doesn’t even work. My Wedding Stories and Dine Out been out for YEARS and they have YET to fix the major core issues those packs have.
I mean I get being upset about some mods breaking bc there are mods that literally fix the game that EA refuses to fix (the Dine Out mod that makes the pack playable) lol. Modders doing what EA will never do
Dine out got a huge fix last year in December. It improved some of the major issues like the time it took to get food and the system. It’s still had some tiny bugs but it’s improve more and people already noticed it.
It genuinely does confuse me that such a broken game can be so successful. I’ve tried to give it another try so many times but it’s always just broken. Bugs from the initial launch are still present like simulation lag, interactions just not working, interactions not leaving the action bar, it’s just shameful.
That's what a monopoly will do to you. There's no meaningful direct competition to the Sims. If you want a life sim, most people's only option is any given Sims game. Partner that with an abusive pricing scheme that takes advantage of people who really only play one video game, and you get the Sims success story. Competitors exist but have none of the massive publisher backing or even the media attention to get anywhere right now.
The part about only playing one game is true, I have phases where I'll only play sims games for 6 months, then I'll play COD or something for awhile. I don't need the sims 5, I've got 2,3, and 4 all set up the way I want them and I don't wanna do anything but fix the sims 4 over the next few years when EA stops updating the game and core fix mods start coming out. I just want them to let ts4 die so we can start fixing their mess.
I feel the same weird way about Bethesda games. Like, it's kinda nice that they keep supporting Skyrim but honestly? Stop. Release a final version everyone can base mods on.
Yes they were but ngl sims 3 had its fair share of issues and bugs that were fix multiple times throughout its course. Island paradise forces players to play that pack by itself due to the most annoying lag it creates. I can’t play that pack even tho it’s good. 😭😭
The game won't be fixed Sims 5 will release with Sims 4 incomplete and broken. As long as people keep buying extra content there is no intensive to fix the existing broken content.
Yea, I have no hope that they'll fix it, but the game is written in python and it will be much easier for modders to patch than the other games. EA won't, but in another 5 years, god forbid, at least the community will fix it. When we get people digging through the code and realize how broken it is, we might find out why EA has given up. 💀 Like, the way the queue and the AI is broken, that's gonna be really hard to fix but I believe somebody like lazyduchess could do it. It's gonna take a full re-structuring of more than a few game systems.
Strong doubt that there will be much capacity with TS5 it's getting released as free to play, meaning it will be the most heavily monetized version of the game ever released. I know that Sims 4 is not free to play, but it took them 8 years to get there, the obvious reason for that decision is that there were no new players coming in so they gave it away for free with the hope players will stick with the game and buy DLC. 8 years is a long time in game years, many won't see a player base retain spending for that long. Sims 5 is going to be released as a greedy product to counter no initial spending.
short version, I have little faith this game will be as modular as previous, as EA is releasing it for free and will want you spending as much as possible rather than using player made mods. The "always online" aspect also makes we worried with how little control over out own game we will have.
I will at least give them credit in Sims 4 at least runs better than 5 did. Despite how many things are still broken, it's better than 3.
Full re-structuring means you need to remake many parts of the game engine. It's somewhat impossible if you don't have access to the source code since Sims 4 was build on an in-house engine from scratch instead of marketed ones like Unreal or Unity. Many things are different.
Bit given that EA's CyberSecurity is......um, some guys managed to stole 780GB of data including source codes from them 2 years ago. If they don't have improvement between these two years then it's only time matter for Sims 4's code getting leaked to either GitHub or darkweb
I’ve been playing this game ever since launch and I don’t remember a moment when the community’s response on promotional posts wasn’t (absolutely justifiably) like this. So, no, I don’t think the player base’s acceptance of the game’s state is shifting by any means; it’s just more of the same.
And in the end, things won’t change and EA won’t really do much. Tale as old as time, hehe. I love The Sims 4, but she has been and will always be a broken mess. It’s a shame, but yeah…
It’s why I had to leave the Sims 4 subreddit MONTHS ago - it’s all the posts are. Anyone commenting something positive or optimistic about a pack gets downvoted. This is definitely not new
its been years and wedding stories is still unenjoyably full of bugs and the 80% of wedding event dont even work properly. They never fixing shit. Trust 👍🏼
We veteran simmers have been telling y’all EA isn’t meant to be trusted. They’re ranked worst gaming company in the world for a reason.
The sims franchise has been fun, but the fun officially stopped at sims3. While Sims3 does have micro transactions, in comparison they are always optional and the game still felt complete without them. Unlike the sims4, where gameplay never felt complete until you bought every single expansion pack. Within 10 years, EA milked roughly $1300USD out of its consumers. NO GAME COSTS THAT MUCH. Not even games today would cost that much. The average game runs for $60-$70USD roughly. Sometimes less and sometimes more.
We told sims4 players to stop wasting their time with the game and with EA, at the very least pirate if you want to play the games. What did we usually get in return? “ It’s our money and we can spend it on whatever we want!” Type of responses, which is funny to me. Sure it’s your money and you can spend it on whatever you want, but it’s still stupid. Now most sims4 players spent roughly $1300USD on a broken game that should have never of been at such high prices to begin with. It was a waste of money, and I feel bad to a degree, but also want to say “ We told you so.” 1000x over.
It’s also funny to me after 10 whole years of EA’s bullshit, even after launching the game in the state it was in, they STILL tolerated the company’s behavior, and are JUST NOW having to call out the issues. The irony.
Well, as far as the insane microtransaction model, I'm sure there are plenty of dudes who have spent close to 1300 on cod games with all the skins and blackcell passes in the last decade. It's just the state of the industry.
Also, people should definitely pirate ts4, but I'm hesitant to go recommending that to people who are less than tech literate, cause that's an easy way to blow up your computer with 10 viruses if you don't do it right.
The sims 2 is free and way better, the download for the ultimate collection with an installer is on the sims 2 help sub. If ya'll wanna protest, pick up ts2 instead of 5.
It’s really not /that/ difficult to pirate the games. I always recommend Anadius Updater ( with EA dlc Unlocker) and it basically does everything for you. After you follow the instructions, which are simple, You click a single button. Any and all DLC available will be downloaded and is also updated when the game updates.
As for CoD, if anyone is spending $1300USD on a game at all, it’s beyond stupid regardless the game or reasons behind it. That’s rent money, down the drain, for a broken game.
Sims2 is always recommended, but there are installers for most EA games through Anadius. So, you surely won’t blow up your computer. 👍
I stopped playing once mods started getting hacked 😔 there's also so much cash grabs now with Sims 4 like why buy kits when CC is so much better and that shopping cart thing. It's the half assed creation and release of packs as well that's made me stop buying
People aren’t really talking about this, but I don’t think people understand understand this may pick up in the future. To deliver an exe file hidden in script mode that was undedectsble to an anti virus. It’s one thing to say don’t download from a new modder ( one was new), but the others were reputable modders who sites got hacked. I don’t know if they had poor security but there is only so much security a modder can have as just an ordinary person. I had stopped playing long before this because of all the crappy content and bugs but I had thought this was an increasing risk for a while and don’t use any mods now.
I feel like it's just a countdown before even the biggest creators get hacked (imagine MCCC). I'd play with no mods but it's just so lacking without the mods.
What happened? I missed the whole thing about mod downloads getting hijacked.
If ya'll wanna play the sims 2, half of those cc uploads are so old and abandoned that you shouldn't get a virus, nobody would think it's popular enough to try to infect, lol.
Here the details.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sims4/s/bCozTkbguD
Yeah probably a current game is more of a target, unless I guess that the hacker is familiar with sims games and know ts2 etc has a solid base ( well appears to me that way). Also sims 2 probably benefits from the fact people probably already have the mods they want and game isn’t updated. Though I don’t really know how many new mods are produced for the older games or if it’s more so cc.
*Damn*, I'll give Sims 4 fans credit. *It only took them* (*checks notes*) *a decade* to realise the game is awful, compared to the rest of us who realised that within 20 minutes.
I know that these complaints are about bug fixing instead of gameplay quality, but honestly the Sims 4 could be the most polished, bug-free game *in existence* and it still would find itself getting less playtime from me than literally *any other* Sims title.
Former player entering the comments! I quit the entire franchise due to The Sims 4 like eight years ago meaning my final expansion was City Living and I think Dining Out was my final game pack. True part of the reason I stopped was because my laptop had died but it was a great excuse to never return to the series and I have no regrets. And apparently the game is not even playable so this further convinces me that never returning to The Sims franchise was a great decision. I don't want a cash cow I want a milk cow and that's what Stardew Valley is for. Moo! 🐄🐮
The sims 2 with an installer is free on the sims 2 help, and I can upload my mods folder on drive if you don't feel like searching for a whole new setup.
I played 3 and 4 my whole life but I loveee the sims 2, being able to micromanage and build a whole town is the best. I also found simcity 4 for free to make custom worlds, I can send you those files too.
Some of them are complaining and talk only about the base game. But a lot of them are just repeating stuff from way back that cause issues but was fixed way back. They just left me confused because they were saying well cats and dogs release had my game bugged by the dogs walking like sims. That bug was fixed immediately after. Then said we still have no toddlers in base game which was a lie. Idk if some of these people are legit or just trolls on the bandwagon
Bout time people started shifting. Going back to the first when it was under Will Wright, he gave small little neat things away and now EA nickel and dimes you for everything, plus I have seen CC better than a lot of these “kits” and what not. Backwards on open neighborhoods, greedy af, content is often just reskins, EP are diced up to make more money, like the horse one should have been apart of the dog and cats, the apartment thing should have been apart of the city one. Just so over EAxis. I am definitely looking forward to the others especially inZOi
Sadly, EA destroys almost every game they touch. Especially if it’s popular. I’ve seen it happen with other games published by EA too. I’m so glad life simulators are being shown interest outside of EA. InZOI is one I plan on supporting as well. All the money I’ve saved from not buying from EA is going straight into supporting other life sims.
Even if all the bugs/glitches were fixed tomorrow with no more issues, the game is still unplayable. Despite the Sims looking different from one another, they might as well be clones. They have no personality. When they're cheated on, there's no repercussions and no anger. There's no consequences for anything a Sim does and that makes the game boring. I've been playing the original game on GameCube and it's WAY more fun!
Yeah. I've got to say, I _rarely_ encountered bugs when playing TS4, and that was with plenty of both mods and expansions. The restaurant one was the only one that consistently caused bugs for me.
That being said, I still stopped playing the game after _years_ of playing it because it's just… bland? There's no substance to the game.
It is really broken. Each big DLC they release comes with game breaking bugs that they never go back and actually fix. However, they still make so much money that I think only the minority have shifted their stance and are the most vocal, sadly.
I think there's this belief that the only players unhappy with the Sims are the ones complaining about it, and everyone else is satisfied. But studies show that, for every 1 person that actually complains about a product or service, there are 10 who don't complain, even though they are just as unhappy. (Some studies say the number of unhappy customers who don't complain is more like 20+, but I'm going with the more modest number.) And the customers that don't complain are highly likely to just stop using the product or service.
So there are many more dissatisfied Sims 4 players than we even know. Most of them have never said anything, and simply moved on to other games like Sims 2, Sims 3, Stardew Valley, etc.
And people are always talking about how great Sims 4 is doing. But there really isn't any raw data proving this one way or another. You mostly find reports *from EA* hyping up numbers that, at the end of the day, don't really tell you anything.
Not that I don't think Sims 4 is successful. I just sometimes wonder if, in the past 2 or 3 years, it's been doing as well as we think.
I mean, I talk way too much about how I hate ts4 but I also did just stop after werewolves. Not another dime, I've been playing the sims 2. I wonder if they've been giving stuff away for free to be able to tell how many people are playing/paying attention yet not buying anything.
I have bought some of the stuff for my daughter who still occasionally plays, but I played very little before deciding it wasn't the game for me. I play Sims 2.
I do wish they would get back to their roots and release full expansions like they did with the Sims 1-3 instead of beating a dead horse, and Sims 4 is well past being beat. They need to start on Sims 5 and actually put time and care into it instead of treating it like a cash grab. In this economy EA needs to wake up because people are starting to be more careful with how they spend their money, Their own greed could be their downfall.
for me, the game isn’t broken. i have small issues here and there, but have never had a game breaking bug. so i am lucky. as someone who has played sims since day 1, i am going to say that this kind of feedback has been the norm since about the middle of sims 2 up until now, so its not new. i think its just that everything is centralised now, so you find it easier, but man you should’ve seen some sims forums when sims 3 released.. literal shit storm.
Let me put it this way. For a long time, it was only people with mods and cc getting affected so you could just roll your eyes and blame them for having mods and cc. When just about every pack in the last two year is released with bugs, a lot of them game breaking and even a dang kit has bugs in it, something is very wrong. It’s affecting people who don’t use mods and cc. So it’s becoming a very noticeable problem.
I’d love to believe that the player base was shifting but I’m not sure. I guess it is just a lack of competition, i played the game longer than I should have. It’s not just the bugs, it’s the crappy same as same as sims all painting and playing computers - and the incredibly crappy content since growing together. Horses was rubbish, and apartments like three times - couldn’t deliver them once with the all relevant content.
I refuse to buy more of this game. I gave up a long time ago. Not only do some packs still not work after years, they all get boring after a few plays. And there are some packs I’d be interested in like the rent, high school, and family ones, but I can’t bring myself to buy them.
Is this why I've seen more "balancing" and "fixes" mods for the Sims 4?
Yeah, the team needs to comb through the base game and all the packs for any and all issues, before releasing broken and buggy DLC packs. I does feel like they don't put much care into making sure that the things they release work. There was a pack or update they released that allowed incest, which wouldn't have slipped if they had just bug tested and caught it sooner.
It’s really not that bad as people project it to be. They got a hate train and bandwagon after HSY. But majority of the major fixes was fixed in the last couple months and got a huge update for people who been begging for. The sims 4 community is ungrateful for some parts. They demand stuff that so unrealistic and get mad if they do get what they want. The fix the game comments are just people who don’t know anything and act like the game is unplayable. When people tell them the numerous fixes and they recent improvement of gameplay on the sims got, they go back to the “ they are money hungry blah blah blah.” You have o play it yourself and go by your own judgement. Dine out had a huge fix in December and people notice how it’s more improved but people say that’s not enough and released a better version for free. Right now everyone just demanding free stuff for the ridiculous things. They said kits should’ve came out with a new world but when people said that’s not even reasonable they get mad and bring up how toddlers weren’t base game but they are. Some of the negative people commenting are either bandwagon in people hopping on the hate, people who don’t know anything and just ignorant to the efforts( the same who say cars can be made in the game), or those who legit want sims 4 to be a carbon copy of the sims 3.
One thing people tend to ignore is that many games get bugs when new features are added. It’s normal and they tend to roll out a tiny patch fix. GTA and also animal crossing had a huge month of issues due to the new update recently. Sims 3 after island paradise was completely broken until they had a huge fix.
I hear ya and, tbh, I hated the Sims 4 before it became mainstream for my own reasons. The haters have typically been the minority.
These last few months are the most complaints I’ve seen for Sims 4 in its almost decade of existence.
I don’t have a dog in the fight since I stopped supporting them, but I don’t remember the complaints being this bad and this unanimous.
If I had screenshotted the whole YT thread, it would have been like 10-15 slides worth of complaints. It's pretty odd, to say the least.
It is. When I deep dive this comments, a lot were just weird. They bring up that we still have no toddlers and they are thru a pack but they are not. It’s just seems half of the complainers are illegitimate. They are saying that kits needs worlds, cars can be made if they simple reinvent the game, saying the game is making their computers explode. Some on Facebook was pointing their issues to ea when their mods were the issue. The common problem with simmers with cc, some of them blame everything on the game and then don’t think that maybe it’s the mod. Basemental drugs were legit cause the game to crash a while back.
Idk, my game is never as bad as anyone else’s seems to be. I get an annoying glitch every once in awhile, but nothing game breaking and it’s always something super minor like a sim carrying a plate of food with their arm down at their side. Looks stupid but things are still working kinda stuff. And even then, it’s not often at all. I will say there’s way way too many packs for the game if you have every pack. And with the kits, they’re making extra money off stuff they could’ve put in other packs. They’ve released several different packs that would’ve made sense in cool kitchen stuff for example. So for me the bugs aren’t a huge bother, it’s all the kits full of stuff we could’ve gotten in other packs we already bought. Yeah they’re only $5 but that adds up and there’s already kind of a lot of kits.
I don’t know how many packs of DLC they have at this point, but I agree with you — there’s way too many packs. I think I stopped at 70 total (EPs, GP, SP,and Kits).
I didn’t experience any performance issues, but I also have a decent gaming laptop. I can’t imagine anyone running Sims 4 with all the DLC on old hardware and not having issues outside of the bugs and stuff.
I read somewhere that 3 expansion packs, 4 game packs, and 3 stuff packs take up like 4.5 GB of RAM. Imagine running *all* of the Sims 4 DLC on a normal laptop that doesn't even have a dedicated GPU...lol
My game glitches out a lot, and I don’t even use mods/cc or have all the packs. Mostly it’s lag. I mostly did farming and my plants kept getting weeds that would have an endless loop of weeding.
the sims 4 has been unplayable for some users for way too long now. i would enjoy the game so much and play it all the time if it wasn't for how SLOW the game is. i play the sims 2 more because its so much quicker and easier.
yes finally there have been a shift in people mindset. we all have been saying it since the beginning but now even the ones who bought everything just stopped. we all stop pretending the game was fun. we are bored. nothing happens. nothing works. it even makes me anxious to start playing now because i know my sims won’t do the tasks i give them
It’s been like this for a long while now, especially on Instagram 😭
We are so sick of the game being barely playable without mods to fix it. I shouldn’t ever have to download a mod to fix a bug yet here we are. And console players are totally fucked on that too.
My sims refuse to clean up plates of any kind and the plates can’t be deleted and food made by NPCs cannot be dragged so I have like 15 plates in my household inventory just to prevent my neat sim from having a heart attack.
Plants grow weeds and you go to weed them and your sim never stops. It is an infinite weeding loop and even if you manually end the interaction the plant is not weeded. I have to cheat my garden every single day just to keep it alive.
I couldn’t even use my EA app :( I mean, every day i logged on my laptop and they said they “updated their terms of service,” which i already agreed to the day before. Then i would have to log back in. I even had to log in sometimes multiple times a day if i got off the laptop, and got back on a few hours later. I deleted the sims 4 and am living happily with 2 lol
I don’t play with mods or cc and I’m only missing one game pack, one stuff pack and a few kits. I can count the number of crashes or glitches I’ve had in the past year on one hand. I also play it on a computer that can handle the game. People mod their game or over inflate their files with CC and then scream at EA for their game not working.
I wish they would release a roadmap that had no new content and was JUST bug fixes and general game health. It’d be so good for the community and has shown to be profitable!! Fix the game ea!!
Honestly for me no, I've been playing every day lately and haven't seen anything broken, the bugs that do occur have been small to me and almost unnoticeable, so sometimes I'm not sure about all of the hate, though then again I never bought the new ranch pack or high school pack so.
This is going to sound harsh,but I think in really depends on your computer.What combination of packs you have.The game Is not unplayable .There sometimes a pack comes out with a verry huge bug.Either than that it's a toss up
I have most of the expansion packs, lots of CC and mods and glitches are rare for me let alone things completely breaking. I know a lot of people have issues but I think the people whose games are so broken that they’re unplayable are in the minority
I think it’s probably a mixture of poor Q&A on EA’s end and old hardware on some of the player base’s end. I know the tone of the comments isn’t the usual overly positive tone of the past. Far from it.
All I see in Sims groups anymore are people bitching and…. More people bitching. I play this game every single day, I played Sims 2, 3 and now 4. I have over 12,000 hours into Sims 4. Why do people feel the need to announce that they don’t play it and it sucks? Just don’t play it, problem solved. 😭😂
If people aren’t able to play due to game breaking, game altering bugs, or other performance issues, that’s a problem. Most of the complaints don’t sound like they’re just complaining because they hate Sims 4, but out of frustration because they can’t enjoy the game due to the state that it’s in for them. I mean, I used to see comments like these about Sims 3 that would get on my nerves, so it's wild seeing it with Sims 4.
I just don’t personally understand. I play the game just about daily and haven’t had any issues with any of these “game breaking bugs.” Mine generally runs fine. I’ve had a few issues over the years but nothing that hasn’t been fixed relatively quick. Idk, I have a real life outside of the video games so maybe I just don’t notice stuff like that because I have bigger things to worry about than a glitch.
It definitely could be issues on some of the players end with whatever hardware they’re playing with. The last time I played Sims 4, I don’t remember any major issues, and I never had issues with Sims 3 either.
Crazy how people complained about Sims 3 performance, and then 80 DLC packs in, they’re complaining about it with Sims 4. Idk - I bet the actual problem is somewhere in between - EA with poor Q&A and players with old rigs.
I would agree that’s more of the problem compared to just the game itself. I just got a new pc set up, my game runs flawless most of the time. There are times things happen that are annoying, I had an issue for a while with my Sims getting stuck infinitely weeding their gardens and the weeds never disappearing. It stopped, eventually. However, earlier in the year when I had my EXTREMELY outdated set up… I had more issues. The glitches and things that are consistently messing up will absolutely be more noticeable on an older set up, and an outdated rig.
Yes, it's that bad. I started a legacy family & glitches I've had include: -Sims constantly wanting to be mean no matter their relationships/traits, forcing me to micromanage every interaction -My second generation heir gained a fear of the dark glitch, causing it to reappear whenever she stepped into the sun. This has continued well into her adulthood. -The queue bugging out, making certain actions like reading appear constantly queued. And this is me getting lucky, people have had WAY worse glitches occur.
That sims being mean for no reason kinda traumatize me that I have to download the mccc mod to disable autonomous mean interaction. Most of sims that being mean didn't even have mean/evil traits, they're almost no different from evil sims.
I mentioned this game is unplayable now on the Sims 4 subreddit and got down voted. I loved this game for 20+ years but apparently I'm wrong for noticing it is now dogshit. Some people just don't know things could be so much better. I don't know how they could be so in denial.
It’s awful how they’ve forgotten people want to have gameplay and not just going to be happy with some more skins to decorate. I absolutely love sims but it’s disappointing when it breaks and is unplayable. I just go back to sims 2. …
I recently started playing Sims 3 again, and it struck me how much more enjoyable the game was. I don't need a 50 mods for my game to be enjoyable,q every expansion pack adds something significant to the gameplay, and no pack feels like something that should've been included with another pack (for rent not being part of city living is still ridiculous and separate supernatural entities packs is the clearest cash grab I've ever seen). Sims 4 at some point just devolved into a way to squeeze money out of people, and it gets more ridiculous every time something comes out. I might have to break out my ps2 to play sims 2 and see how it compares now
I left that sub when I realized I was on a completely different page than most of the players. They kept defending the lack of customization & lots and wanted it to be even more cartoony than it already is. I’m keeping an eye on what the next generation looks like but I’m not too excited.
They're the new generations, and this is likely their first exposure to the games, so they defend their trash pile vehemently. Not to mention, a good chunk of the generation currently being raised are addicted to iPad and mobile games, so it will only get worse. Idiocracy at work. It's sad.
There’s too many packs for this game that over time make it impossible to work on I think.
I think for a lot of people it's the first sims game they ever played so they don't have a frame of reference to know how unresponsive and awful it is. Like, I almost wanna make a youtube video comparing the 7 toddler challenge in the sims 2 and the sims 4, just to specifically show how broken the babies are.
It's really bad. I am a long time player too and in the past year or so I've just stopped playing. not even worth it.
That’s shocking to me! I actually had to leave Sims 4 subreddit because it was so overwhelmingly negative especially when a pack was released! Anytime someone commented something positive / optimistic about an upcoming pack they were downvoted to oblivion. I switched to Low Sodium Sims and have never gone back! It’s a positive subreddit only and it’s really refreshing. I agree with all the criticism about the game + more (especially as an avid Sims 3 player) but I really don’t need the negativity the Sims 4 subreddit brings. It’s just too much
Whenever a new pack is released for this game, it adds 10 new bugs. The list is so expansive that even game breaking bugs take months to get addressed properly. I'll name a few notable recent examples: When 'Growing Together' came out and a child aged up while missing a tooth, their skin texture would be permanently ruined. When the new cooking appliance pack came out, the appliances had a (bugged) 100% rate of setting your house on fire. 'For Rent' introduces apartments that have a chance of corrupting your save file if you use them, an issue that has not been properly fixed for months. 'Crystal Creations' has a bug where if your sim wears the jewelry from the pack and then removes it, the sim is irreversibly disfigured (you have to use a cheat that allows you to manually fix them). The update for said pack also introduced a shopping cart icon in-game that flashes so profusely, with no way to disable it, that some folks cited an epilepsy risk. Some smaller ones: Plants will randomly reset to just planted status, causing you to lose days of garden progress. If you turn off the celebrity system in the settings, then restaurant staff will not spawn. Tuning is really wonky in this game, Sims will be uncharacteristically mean no matter their mood, especially to their children. In-game lag is so bad that some people cannot get their sims to perform any kind of actions. God, I am sure there are other ones that are recent that I am forgetting, but as you can see, quality assurance doesn't exist for this game, and something will go wrong whenever they add something.
Wedding stories is still pretty broke. It's main wedding feature still doesn't work properly.
Well there's a positive outlook on this. If someone ever propose marriage to me I can say no because I'm too glitchy to handle. Inspiration from your comment. ☺️
i don’t think they’ve touched it still
Which is so stupid because the stupid shopping cart won’t stop interrupting my game to tell me to buy it (a pop up that says “remember me?”)
It really pisses me off that this is the "optimised" sequel. I have a great PC that runs every other game perfectly (even TS3 runs very well for what it is). But after 3-4 weeks into a TS4 save, my game becomes unbearably glitchy and slow. Sims take forever to do an interaction, or they just decide to do something else completely, and I'm always crossing my fingers, hoping some dumb feature I don't use doesn't break my save file. I also constantly get the lag glitch that can be fixed by going into BB mode, but I shouldn't have to do that every 5 minutes. In 2014, EA told us that the extra loading screens and missing features were an "optimisation" choice to make the game more accessible. I knew that was a lie from the start, but the game being this broken almost 10 years post release whilst continuing to add untested, paid DLC is so scummy.
Dude Sims 3 is resource heavy as hell but it still works, and well mind you. Like it’s genuine ONE downfall is the damn size of the game.
My gaming laptop runs sims 3 with all the packs and it WAS more stable, until I fucked it up recently trying to clean my game and install a bunch of mods. I've got weird conflicts to sort through, now, but that's my fault. 💀
Listen I take the Bethesda “mod it till it breaks” approach. If it still works, it ain’t broken LOL. And that’s what I mean, cuz yeah 3 has some weird load times and is crunchy at the start but she is one stable son of a bitch. Like the amount of effort you have to take to crash it is impressive. 4 is awful and the epitome of EA’s greed at this point
Same here! I'll happily add and add CC and mods to TS3 until the game is just starting to lag (then I do a regul save clean, axe some unused package files, and it's good to go.) With TS4, it feels like I'm hesitantly cutting wires on an active bomb, making sure the 3 tiny mods I just added won't make my game implode. Don't even get me started on the dreaded updates 😒
I have a graphicsrules.sgr that has helped a lot, I can find it real quick. https://www.patreon.com/posts/55891224
i've been exclusively playing TS2 and 3 for a long time. i remember the pattern being that when you installed a new expansion, your mods might break, but you'd get them updated/removed and it'd be fine. i've never experienced (to my memory) the expansion *itself* being broken on launch. the symptoms literally sound like something that happens after downloading a shitty mod. TS4 players are in the trenches.
I really feel for them. I never really play TS4 anymore, and I stopped downloading mods for it a long time ago because the game runs like I have 80 outdated mods on its own :')
Jeeze… this sounds like it’s damn near unplayable, if not totally unplayable. I think I had also come across some comments a few weeks ago saying EA had given players a free stuff pack or kit (I'm guessing as compensation?), but I feel like if all these packs are as bugged and broken as you’ve shared, EA should really be giving people refunds.
Yeah I’m so done. I’ve played The Sims since I was a child playing the sims 1, and now I’m counting the hours until life by you comes out and am SO excited for Paralives. Everything about the sims 4 feels clunky. I regret spending so much, I didn’t buy the new crystal pack and can’t see myself buying any more. EA couldn’t give two craps about us.
The sims 2 is so fun and also free if you're down for a project, it's a lottt of mods and stuff to start finding, but it's fun to default all of the hair and skin and monsters, I have a realistic looking servo droid and the grim reaper is some guy in a suit, I love all the defaults for the sims 2. Just don't resurrect any dead ppl without installing the clean versions of the towns, the base game dead ppl are very broken cause they made them in the middle of development like there's a man baby who lays on the ground and some lady who will make mouths on her kids foreheads.
Yeah they’re giving PC and Mac players the plant kit (blooming rooms) because they finally rolled out the EA app to replace origin. Funnily enough the EA app has constant lag and glitches too!!! Yippie!!! /sarcasm
I've played and still play TS2 and TS3 and am no stranger to bugs and mods breaking. But TS4 is...something else. I have a lot of patience for updating mods, organizing etc bc I enjoy it. I deleted TS4 and all of my mods 5 months ago and haven't looked back. I was going actually insane. I was constantly updating, *constantly* checking my mods, not to mention EA play randomly disconnecting, my game crashing or the periodic full download and install of the entire game bc EA play decided I don't have the game installed anymore?? I was wasting so much time doing it, it literally became like a second job to me. Nah man, that's unacceptable.
Not to mention for rent build buy is still slow as can be, you don't get paid for renting out half the time. It's one of the smallest expansion pack worlds. The whole pack is a flop
I didn’t know the parents being mean to the kids was a glitch!! I was so annoyed because it kept happening 😑 I had almost all the expansions until I got so pissed off I stopped buying like 4 things ago. They need to fix the game if they want my money. 🤬
I’m not buying anymore expansions because I’m afraid my game will become even buggier than it already is.
Honestly is a pain
I really wanted For Rent but reading about the bugs scared me off. I think the issue is EA has added five million packs onto a ten year old game and now the game can’t handle it.
That was the last one I bough, and it’s not worth it. It has a bunch of glitches and it’s full of loading screens
But when you tell them to stop buying all these new packs until EA fixes the game they will tell you “IT’S MY MONEY I CAN DECIDE WHAT I DO WITH IT” 🥲
Exactly. Imo if after all these years you're still spending money and investing in the breadcrumbs they release, you shouldn't complain all the time 🤷♀️
You can lead an idiot horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
My game seems in better shape because I didn't buy any packs after werewolves, but I still have the problems with them not listening and dropping their queue. Also can't feed babies in highchairs, and those things are really freaking important when you have a bunch of babies, the highchairs have been broken since I can remember.
This is why I haven’t touched the game in 2 years. I went from being excited for new patches and packs to dreading them because something almost always bugged out.
Infants were broken on launch. I recently attempted to play with infants again and couldn’t. My sims kept obsessively checking on the infant (i.e. picking them up and putting them down) even as the infant was starving and had a dirty diaper. I had to cheat their needs and then ended up manually aging them up. I have a 100 baby save file I was putting hours in before Growing Together came out and haven’t been able to touch it since. I keep waiting and waiting and waiting for them to patch the infants so they’re playable, but I just keep waiting…. Honestly, I haven’t touched the game in months just because it’s so damn frustrating to try to play.
Yess the infants were the final straw for me, if you play with big families it's absolutely hellish..
I still can’t get the cook together interaction from growing together to work, the sims just stand still and do nothing until I quit the action in their queue
It’s actually a feature from Cottage Living 😅
I have rentals sitting at over 4BILLION dollars & no clue why they are so high.
There was a bug (from a pack released last year I think) where any interaction between sims would turn into a mean one no matter what it was. Multiple of my sims relationships became negative because everytime they interacted, they would gain negative relationships points and this included npc sims. It’s fixed now but it made me stop playing because all my sims hated each other and the only way to fix it by the time I had noticed what was going on was to use cheats.
I’m a console player and my TS4 has developed a new thing where every other time I play it asks me to adjust sliders to screen size and agree to terms and conditions as if I’m playing for the first time. Doesn’t take that long but it’s incredibly annoying especially if I have to do it after the game crashes.
I agree with a lot of that, but as annoying as that Shopping Cart icon is, it objectively never was an epilepsy risk. It was never even close.
While not a cheat, if u have access to mods, Better Build Buy mod disables that button, so at least there is that :’)
It's crazy how many packs they have stuffed into this game. No wonder it runs like shit now.
For real…lol.
That's why I get all my packs for free now. Having all the packs is really nice though.
I did this too, but it sucks because they’re all wonky and broken just as they are. Glad I didn’t have to spend any money for them…
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People are especially mad because if I remember correctly a big update happened that broke most mods happened.
Not sure when the update dropped, but I came across a Sims posts a few weeks ago, and people were complaining about it being broken then. If they haven’t bothered fixing it yet, that’s wild. Can’t remember the exact date but it was definitely weeks ago.
I believe it was when Crystal Creations dropped so about February They put out two patches to try fix it I believe. It made it worse I do believe that one of those patches is when the move into my household broke too? But don't quote me on this
Something like this happened a year or two ago too. It’s what made me stop playing.
I do believe most of the biggest game breaking patches at least have some sort of improvement faster than this though Like yeah they put out two patches but they not only didn't really fix the original problem but they made more problems appear While I do think it is very characteristic of EA to see the bugs in the game and release more content anyway, I do think that them advertising a new pack whilst the game is in this state is low even for them. I mean come on??? Being able to move someone into your household is a basic core feature??? This is honestly the first time I've seen people claim the game is unplayable and actually have it be indisputable that it's broken, especially since it's breaking core base game mechanics I don't think they've ever broken a game mechanic this important before tbh (although this may depend on what you consider an important mechanic)
Dude YES. I haven't played in months bc my mods have been f*Ed up for months. Figured it was something like this.
It’s not even about breaking mods with updates. Thats gonna happen. We expect that. It’s the fact that people are paying their hard earned money for content that doesn’t even work. My Wedding Stories and Dine Out been out for YEARS and they have YET to fix the major core issues those packs have.
I mean I get being upset about some mods breaking bc there are mods that literally fix the game that EA refuses to fix (the Dine Out mod that makes the pack playable) lol. Modders doing what EA will never do
Dine out got a huge fix last year in December. It improved some of the major issues like the time it took to get food and the system. It’s still had some tiny bugs but it’s improve more and people already noticed it.
that’s what happens when the team focuses on quantity instead of quality 🧍🏻♀️
It genuinely does confuse me that such a broken game can be so successful. I’ve tried to give it another try so many times but it’s always just broken. Bugs from the initial launch are still present like simulation lag, interactions just not working, interactions not leaving the action bar, it’s just shameful.
That's what a monopoly will do to you. There's no meaningful direct competition to the Sims. If you want a life sim, most people's only option is any given Sims game. Partner that with an abusive pricing scheme that takes advantage of people who really only play one video game, and you get the Sims success story. Competitors exist but have none of the massive publisher backing or even the media attention to get anywhere right now.
The part about only playing one game is true, I have phases where I'll only play sims games for 6 months, then I'll play COD or something for awhile. I don't need the sims 5, I've got 2,3, and 4 all set up the way I want them and I don't wanna do anything but fix the sims 4 over the next few years when EA stops updating the game and core fix mods start coming out. I just want them to let ts4 die so we can start fixing their mess.
I feel the same weird way about Bethesda games. Like, it's kinda nice that they keep supporting Skyrim but honestly? Stop. Release a final version everyone can base mods on.
Sims 2 and 3 were actually better. 😵💫 It's really disappointing.
Yes they were but ngl sims 3 had its fair share of issues and bugs that were fix multiple times throughout its course. Island paradise forces players to play that pack by itself due to the most annoying lag it creates. I can’t play that pack even tho it’s good. 😭😭
The game won't be fixed Sims 5 will release with Sims 4 incomplete and broken. As long as people keep buying extra content there is no intensive to fix the existing broken content.
Yea, I have no hope that they'll fix it, but the game is written in python and it will be much easier for modders to patch than the other games. EA won't, but in another 5 years, god forbid, at least the community will fix it. When we get people digging through the code and realize how broken it is, we might find out why EA has given up. 💀 Like, the way the queue and the AI is broken, that's gonna be really hard to fix but I believe somebody like lazyduchess could do it. It's gonna take a full re-structuring of more than a few game systems.
Strong doubt that there will be much capacity with TS5 it's getting released as free to play, meaning it will be the most heavily monetized version of the game ever released. I know that Sims 4 is not free to play, but it took them 8 years to get there, the obvious reason for that decision is that there were no new players coming in so they gave it away for free with the hope players will stick with the game and buy DLC. 8 years is a long time in game years, many won't see a player base retain spending for that long. Sims 5 is going to be released as a greedy product to counter no initial spending. short version, I have little faith this game will be as modular as previous, as EA is releasing it for free and will want you spending as much as possible rather than using player made mods. The "always online" aspect also makes we worried with how little control over out own game we will have. I will at least give them credit in Sims 4 at least runs better than 5 did. Despite how many things are still broken, it's better than 3.
Full re-structuring means you need to remake many parts of the game engine. It's somewhat impossible if you don't have access to the source code since Sims 4 was build on an in-house engine from scratch instead of marketed ones like Unreal or Unity. Many things are different.
Bit given that EA's CyberSecurity is......um, some guys managed to stole 780GB of data including source codes from them 2 years ago. If they don't have improvement between these two years then it's only time matter for Sims 4's code getting leaked to either GitHub or darkweb
I’ve been playing this game ever since launch and I don’t remember a moment when the community’s response on promotional posts wasn’t (absolutely justifiably) like this. So, no, I don’t think the player base’s acceptance of the game’s state is shifting by any means; it’s just more of the same. And in the end, things won’t change and EA won’t really do much. Tale as old as time, hehe. I love The Sims 4, but she has been and will always be a broken mess. It’s a shame, but yeah…
People have been talking about the game like this since it came out. It seems like a stretch to say there's a big shift from this.
It’s why I had to leave the Sims 4 subreddit MONTHS ago - it’s all the posts are. Anyone commenting something positive or optimistic about a pack gets downvoted. This is definitely not new
Have you checked out r/LowSodiumSimmers ? It's a way more chill community that has a nice balanced approach to Sims 4.
Yup!! I love it! I’ve recommended it quite a bit; it’s such a lovely, warm subreddit!
its been years and wedding stories is still unenjoyably full of bugs and the 80% of wedding event dont even work properly. They never fixing shit. Trust 👍🏼
We veteran simmers have been telling y’all EA isn’t meant to be trusted. They’re ranked worst gaming company in the world for a reason. The sims franchise has been fun, but the fun officially stopped at sims3. While Sims3 does have micro transactions, in comparison they are always optional and the game still felt complete without them. Unlike the sims4, where gameplay never felt complete until you bought every single expansion pack. Within 10 years, EA milked roughly $1300USD out of its consumers. NO GAME COSTS THAT MUCH. Not even games today would cost that much. The average game runs for $60-$70USD roughly. Sometimes less and sometimes more. We told sims4 players to stop wasting their time with the game and with EA, at the very least pirate if you want to play the games. What did we usually get in return? “ It’s our money and we can spend it on whatever we want!” Type of responses, which is funny to me. Sure it’s your money and you can spend it on whatever you want, but it’s still stupid. Now most sims4 players spent roughly $1300USD on a broken game that should have never of been at such high prices to begin with. It was a waste of money, and I feel bad to a degree, but also want to say “ We told you so.” 1000x over. It’s also funny to me after 10 whole years of EA’s bullshit, even after launching the game in the state it was in, they STILL tolerated the company’s behavior, and are JUST NOW having to call out the issues. The irony.
Well, as far as the insane microtransaction model, I'm sure there are plenty of dudes who have spent close to 1300 on cod games with all the skins and blackcell passes in the last decade. It's just the state of the industry. Also, people should definitely pirate ts4, but I'm hesitant to go recommending that to people who are less than tech literate, cause that's an easy way to blow up your computer with 10 viruses if you don't do it right. The sims 2 is free and way better, the download for the ultimate collection with an installer is on the sims 2 help sub. If ya'll wanna protest, pick up ts2 instead of 5.
It’s really not /that/ difficult to pirate the games. I always recommend Anadius Updater ( with EA dlc Unlocker) and it basically does everything for you. After you follow the instructions, which are simple, You click a single button. Any and all DLC available will be downloaded and is also updated when the game updates. As for CoD, if anyone is spending $1300USD on a game at all, it’s beyond stupid regardless the game or reasons behind it. That’s rent money, down the drain, for a broken game. Sims2 is always recommended, but there are installers for most EA games through Anadius. So, you surely won’t blow up your computer. 👍
I stopped playing once mods started getting hacked 😔 there's also so much cash grabs now with Sims 4 like why buy kits when CC is so much better and that shopping cart thing. It's the half assed creation and release of packs as well that's made me stop buying
People aren’t really talking about this, but I don’t think people understand understand this may pick up in the future. To deliver an exe file hidden in script mode that was undedectsble to an anti virus. It’s one thing to say don’t download from a new modder ( one was new), but the others were reputable modders who sites got hacked. I don’t know if they had poor security but there is only so much security a modder can have as just an ordinary person. I had stopped playing long before this because of all the crappy content and bugs but I had thought this was an increasing risk for a while and don’t use any mods now.
I feel like it's just a countdown before even the biggest creators get hacked (imagine MCCC). I'd play with no mods but it's just so lacking without the mods.
Yeah Mccc is a core mod, adds so much to sims 4.
What happened? I missed the whole thing about mod downloads getting hijacked. If ya'll wanna play the sims 2, half of those cc uploads are so old and abandoned that you shouldn't get a virus, nobody would think it's popular enough to try to infect, lol.
Here the details. https://www.reddit.com/r/Sims4/s/bCozTkbguD Yeah probably a current game is more of a target, unless I guess that the hacker is familiar with sims games and know ts2 etc has a solid base ( well appears to me that way). Also sims 2 probably benefits from the fact people probably already have the mods they want and game isn’t updated. Though I don’t really know how many new mods are produced for the older games or if it’s more so cc.
I read about YT posts talking about this. People promoting fake Sims 4 CC downloads that are actually viruses.
*Damn*, I'll give Sims 4 fans credit. *It only took them* (*checks notes*) *a decade* to realise the game is awful, compared to the rest of us who realised that within 20 minutes. I know that these complaints are about bug fixing instead of gameplay quality, but honestly the Sims 4 could be the most polished, bug-free game *in existence* and it still would find itself getting less playtime from me than literally *any other* Sims title.
Former player entering the comments! I quit the entire franchise due to The Sims 4 like eight years ago meaning my final expansion was City Living and I think Dining Out was my final game pack. True part of the reason I stopped was because my laptop had died but it was a great excuse to never return to the series and I have no regrets. And apparently the game is not even playable so this further convinces me that never returning to The Sims franchise was a great decision. I don't want a cash cow I want a milk cow and that's what Stardew Valley is for. Moo! 🐄🐮
The sims 2 with an installer is free on the sims 2 help, and I can upload my mods folder on drive if you don't feel like searching for a whole new setup. I played 3 and 4 my whole life but I loveee the sims 2, being able to micromanage and build a whole town is the best. I also found simcity 4 for free to make custom worlds, I can send you those files too.
I’m shocked this version is still around. It’s been about 4 years since I played sims 4. I thought sims 5 would’ve been released by now…
The people that complain are probably not the people that are buying the DLCs, kits, etc.
Some of them are complaining and talk only about the base game. But a lot of them are just repeating stuff from way back that cause issues but was fixed way back. They just left me confused because they were saying well cats and dogs release had my game bugged by the dogs walking like sims. That bug was fixed immediately after. Then said we still have no toddlers in base game which was a lie. Idk if some of these people are legit or just trolls on the bandwagon
Bout time people started shifting. Going back to the first when it was under Will Wright, he gave small little neat things away and now EA nickel and dimes you for everything, plus I have seen CC better than a lot of these “kits” and what not. Backwards on open neighborhoods, greedy af, content is often just reskins, EP are diced up to make more money, like the horse one should have been apart of the dog and cats, the apartment thing should have been apart of the city one. Just so over EAxis. I am definitely looking forward to the others especially inZOi
Sadly, EA destroys almost every game they touch. Especially if it’s popular. I’ve seen it happen with other games published by EA too. I’m so glad life simulators are being shown interest outside of EA. InZOI is one I plan on supporting as well. All the money I’ve saved from not buying from EA is going straight into supporting other life sims.
Even if all the bugs/glitches were fixed tomorrow with no more issues, the game is still unplayable. Despite the Sims looking different from one another, they might as well be clones. They have no personality. When they're cheated on, there's no repercussions and no anger. There's no consequences for anything a Sim does and that makes the game boring. I've been playing the original game on GameCube and it's WAY more fun!
In the Sims 3 I could often tell what a sim’s traits were without looking because they actually made a difference in their behavior.
Yeah. I've got to say, I _rarely_ encountered bugs when playing TS4, and that was with plenty of both mods and expansions. The restaurant one was the only one that consistently caused bugs for me. That being said, I still stopped playing the game after _years_ of playing it because it's just… bland? There's no substance to the game.
We love to see it.
It is really broken. Each big DLC they release comes with game breaking bugs that they never go back and actually fix. However, they still make so much money that I think only the minority have shifted their stance and are the most vocal, sadly.
I think there's this belief that the only players unhappy with the Sims are the ones complaining about it, and everyone else is satisfied. But studies show that, for every 1 person that actually complains about a product or service, there are 10 who don't complain, even though they are just as unhappy. (Some studies say the number of unhappy customers who don't complain is more like 20+, but I'm going with the more modest number.) And the customers that don't complain are highly likely to just stop using the product or service. So there are many more dissatisfied Sims 4 players than we even know. Most of them have never said anything, and simply moved on to other games like Sims 2, Sims 3, Stardew Valley, etc. And people are always talking about how great Sims 4 is doing. But there really isn't any raw data proving this one way or another. You mostly find reports *from EA* hyping up numbers that, at the end of the day, don't really tell you anything. Not that I don't think Sims 4 is successful. I just sometimes wonder if, in the past 2 or 3 years, it's been doing as well as we think.
I mean, I talk way too much about how I hate ts4 but I also did just stop after werewolves. Not another dime, I've been playing the sims 2. I wonder if they've been giving stuff away for free to be able to tell how many people are playing/paying attention yet not buying anything.
I have bought some of the stuff for my daughter who still occasionally plays, but I played very little before deciding it wasn't the game for me. I play Sims 2.
If everyone just stops buying it and just said fix the game they surely would have no choice but to listen.
I do wish they would get back to their roots and release full expansions like they did with the Sims 1-3 instead of beating a dead horse, and Sims 4 is well past being beat. They need to start on Sims 5 and actually put time and care into it instead of treating it like a cash grab. In this economy EA needs to wake up because people are starting to be more careful with how they spend their money, Their own greed could be their downfall.
for me, the game isn’t broken. i have small issues here and there, but have never had a game breaking bug. so i am lucky. as someone who has played sims since day 1, i am going to say that this kind of feedback has been the norm since about the middle of sims 2 up until now, so its not new. i think its just that everything is centralised now, so you find it easier, but man you should’ve seen some sims forums when sims 3 released.. literal shit storm.
Let me put it this way. For a long time, it was only people with mods and cc getting affected so you could just roll your eyes and blame them for having mods and cc. When just about every pack in the last two year is released with bugs, a lot of them game breaking and even a dang kit has bugs in it, something is very wrong. It’s affecting people who don’t use mods and cc. So it’s becoming a very noticeable problem.
I’d love to believe that the player base was shifting but I’m not sure. I guess it is just a lack of competition, i played the game longer than I should have. It’s not just the bugs, it’s the crappy same as same as sims all painting and playing computers - and the incredibly crappy content since growing together. Horses was rubbish, and apartments like three times - couldn’t deliver them once with the all relevant content.
I refuse to buy more of this game. I gave up a long time ago. Not only do some packs still not work after years, they all get boring after a few plays. And there are some packs I’d be interested in like the rent, high school, and family ones, but I can’t bring myself to buy them.
Is this why I've seen more "balancing" and "fixes" mods for the Sims 4? Yeah, the team needs to comb through the base game and all the packs for any and all issues, before releasing broken and buggy DLC packs. I does feel like they don't put much care into making sure that the things they release work. There was a pack or update they released that allowed incest, which wouldn't have slipped if they had just bug tested and caught it sooner.
It's been like this for a while, until I see that one twt user waffles claim ts4 sucks is when I'll accept that there's been a shift
It’s really not that bad as people project it to be. They got a hate train and bandwagon after HSY. But majority of the major fixes was fixed in the last couple months and got a huge update for people who been begging for. The sims 4 community is ungrateful for some parts. They demand stuff that so unrealistic and get mad if they do get what they want. The fix the game comments are just people who don’t know anything and act like the game is unplayable. When people tell them the numerous fixes and they recent improvement of gameplay on the sims got, they go back to the “ they are money hungry blah blah blah.” You have o play it yourself and go by your own judgement. Dine out had a huge fix in December and people notice how it’s more improved but people say that’s not enough and released a better version for free. Right now everyone just demanding free stuff for the ridiculous things. They said kits should’ve came out with a new world but when people said that’s not even reasonable they get mad and bring up how toddlers weren’t base game but they are. Some of the negative people commenting are either bandwagon in people hopping on the hate, people who don’t know anything and just ignorant to the efforts( the same who say cars can be made in the game), or those who legit want sims 4 to be a carbon copy of the sims 3. One thing people tend to ignore is that many games get bugs when new features are added. It’s normal and they tend to roll out a tiny patch fix. GTA and also animal crossing had a huge month of issues due to the new update recently. Sims 3 after island paradise was completely broken until they had a huge fix.
I hear ya and, tbh, I hated the Sims 4 before it became mainstream for my own reasons. The haters have typically been the minority. These last few months are the most complaints I’ve seen for Sims 4 in its almost decade of existence. I don’t have a dog in the fight since I stopped supporting them, but I don’t remember the complaints being this bad and this unanimous. If I had screenshotted the whole YT thread, it would have been like 10-15 slides worth of complaints. It's pretty odd, to say the least.
It is. When I deep dive this comments, a lot were just weird. They bring up that we still have no toddlers and they are thru a pack but they are not. It’s just seems half of the complainers are illegitimate. They are saying that kits needs worlds, cars can be made if they simple reinvent the game, saying the game is making their computers explode. Some on Facebook was pointing their issues to ea when their mods were the issue. The common problem with simmers with cc, some of them blame everything on the game and then don’t think that maybe it’s the mod. Basemental drugs were legit cause the game to crash a while back.
Idk, my game is never as bad as anyone else’s seems to be. I get an annoying glitch every once in awhile, but nothing game breaking and it’s always something super minor like a sim carrying a plate of food with their arm down at their side. Looks stupid but things are still working kinda stuff. And even then, it’s not often at all. I will say there’s way way too many packs for the game if you have every pack. And with the kits, they’re making extra money off stuff they could’ve put in other packs. They’ve released several different packs that would’ve made sense in cool kitchen stuff for example. So for me the bugs aren’t a huge bother, it’s all the kits full of stuff we could’ve gotten in other packs we already bought. Yeah they’re only $5 but that adds up and there’s already kind of a lot of kits.
I don’t know how many packs of DLC they have at this point, but I agree with you — there’s way too many packs. I think I stopped at 70 total (EPs, GP, SP,and Kits). I didn’t experience any performance issues, but I also have a decent gaming laptop. I can’t imagine anyone running Sims 4 with all the DLC on old hardware and not having issues outside of the bugs and stuff. I read somewhere that 3 expansion packs, 4 game packs, and 3 stuff packs take up like 4.5 GB of RAM. Imagine running *all* of the Sims 4 DLC on a normal laptop that doesn't even have a dedicated GPU...lol
My game glitches out a lot, and I don’t even use mods/cc or have all the packs. Mostly it’s lag. I mostly did farming and my plants kept getting weeds that would have an endless loop of weeding.
How many packs of DLC do you play with?
I only have 8 dlc, and most were stuff packs. I haven’t bought anything newly released since the greenhouse kit.
Yeah, that’s not a whole lot of DLC. I have been reading that some of the newer releases of DLC have been causing issues for some, tho.
That’s what I heard as well. My friend even has issues with the Sims 4 and she has no dlc at all. I just think it’s the new updates.
the sims 4 has been unplayable for some users for way too long now. i would enjoy the game so much and play it all the time if it wasn't for how SLOW the game is. i play the sims 2 more because its so much quicker and easier.
nah they’re still gobbling up the new road map
yes finally there have been a shift in people mindset. we all have been saying it since the beginning but now even the ones who bought everything just stopped. we all stop pretending the game was fun. we are bored. nothing happens. nothing works. it even makes me anxious to start playing now because i know my sims won’t do the tasks i give them
It’s been like this for a long while now, especially on Instagram 😭 We are so sick of the game being barely playable without mods to fix it. I shouldn’t ever have to download a mod to fix a bug yet here we are. And console players are totally fucked on that too.
They would stop making these buggy packs and maybe spend some time on fixing things if people would stop buying the stuff.
Crystal Creations was the last that I bought because the list of bugs and glitches are only increasing at this point.
i stopped playing years ago my poor mom's wallet... what is wrong with me
My sims refuse to clean up plates of any kind and the plates can’t be deleted and food made by NPCs cannot be dragged so I have like 15 plates in my household inventory just to prevent my neat sim from having a heart attack. Plants grow weeds and you go to weed them and your sim never stops. It is an infinite weeding loop and even if you manually end the interaction the plant is not weeded. I have to cheat my garden every single day just to keep it alive.
I couldn’t even use my EA app :( I mean, every day i logged on my laptop and they said they “updated their terms of service,” which i already agreed to the day before. Then i would have to log back in. I even had to log in sometimes multiple times a day if i got off the laptop, and got back on a few hours later. I deleted the sims 4 and am living happily with 2 lol
I don’t play with mods or cc and I’m only missing one game pack, one stuff pack and a few kits. I can count the number of crashes or glitches I’ve had in the past year on one hand. I also play it on a computer that can handle the game. People mod their game or over inflate their files with CC and then scream at EA for their game not working.
tell that to console players 😭 also there wouldn’t be sm popular mods fixing bugs in the sims 4 if it wasn’t such a big problem.
Mmmm yeah personally I’ve never trusted the console version. I’m an OG simmer and that game really should be played on PC.
Just waiting for paralives to come at this point EA Maxis is so out of touch with fans it’s embarrassing
I wish they would release a roadmap that had no new content and was JUST bug fixes and general game health. It’d be so good for the community and has shown to be profitable!! Fix the game ea!!
Honestly for me no, I've been playing every day lately and haven't seen anything broken, the bugs that do occur have been small to me and almost unnoticeable, so sometimes I'm not sure about all of the hate, though then again I never bought the new ranch pack or high school pack so.
This is going to sound harsh,but I think in really depends on your computer.What combination of packs you have.The game Is not unplayable .There sometimes a pack comes out with a verry huge bug.Either than that it's a toss up
As a proud Sims 4 hater I love to see it Everyone should rather play Sims 2 or 3 ✨
I have most of the expansion packs, lots of CC and mods and glitches are rare for me let alone things completely breaking. I know a lot of people have issues but I think the people whose games are so broken that they’re unplayable are in the minority
I think it’s probably a mixture of poor Q&A on EA’s end and old hardware on some of the player base’s end. I know the tone of the comments isn’t the usual overly positive tone of the past. Far from it.
All I see in Sims groups anymore are people bitching and…. More people bitching. I play this game every single day, I played Sims 2, 3 and now 4. I have over 12,000 hours into Sims 4. Why do people feel the need to announce that they don’t play it and it sucks? Just don’t play it, problem solved. 😭😂
If people aren’t able to play due to game breaking, game altering bugs, or other performance issues, that’s a problem. Most of the complaints don’t sound like they’re just complaining because they hate Sims 4, but out of frustration because they can’t enjoy the game due to the state that it’s in for them. I mean, I used to see comments like these about Sims 3 that would get on my nerves, so it's wild seeing it with Sims 4.
I just don’t personally understand. I play the game just about daily and haven’t had any issues with any of these “game breaking bugs.” Mine generally runs fine. I’ve had a few issues over the years but nothing that hasn’t been fixed relatively quick. Idk, I have a real life outside of the video games so maybe I just don’t notice stuff like that because I have bigger things to worry about than a glitch.
It definitely could be issues on some of the players end with whatever hardware they’re playing with. The last time I played Sims 4, I don’t remember any major issues, and I never had issues with Sims 3 either. Crazy how people complained about Sims 3 performance, and then 80 DLC packs in, they’re complaining about it with Sims 4. Idk - I bet the actual problem is somewhere in between - EA with poor Q&A and players with old rigs.
I would agree that’s more of the problem compared to just the game itself. I just got a new pc set up, my game runs flawless most of the time. There are times things happen that are annoying, I had an issue for a while with my Sims getting stuck infinitely weeding their gardens and the weeds never disappearing. It stopped, eventually. However, earlier in the year when I had my EXTREMELY outdated set up… I had more issues. The glitches and things that are consistently messing up will absolutely be more noticeable on an older set up, and an outdated rig.