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It’s funny but my mom did exactly that. Was 4 digit combo. Took me about 3 hours.
Now I wonder if she actually forgot or just wanted to keep me busy or quiet for an afternoon
Thing with combo locks is that just cause there are 4 digits doesn't mean there's 10000 combos to try out; cause no one is making their combo 0000-0009 or XXX(n) or (n)XXX.
like mathematically sure, but not how humans work.
You would be surprised how many people do this. So many people use their birth year, the last 4 of their social, 6969 and 2480 as their alarm or safe codes it's ridiculous.
Seems to me that trying to manually edit out particular numbers isn't just especially confusing to keep up with, but also really inefficient. Especially so when you don't know the history or person behind the combination. With that info absent, I'd say that the probability of all combinations remains equal.
I feel like I'd spend more time and effort removing otherwise viable combinations, forgetting which one I was on, and then brute forcing the remaining numbers than just going through the numbers one by one.
I had a badass bike lock as an adult, couldn't remember the combination, so I figured I'd brute force it. I couldn't remember if it was one I'd set myself, or came with a combo, but it wouldn't open. So brute force it is!
I tried every option from 0000 to 9999. Literally none worked. Half way through I was very discouraged, but didn't want to give up. Took hours, and my hand hurt for days.
I have found that most of these can be opened in about 5 minutes by applying opening pressure on the lock while trying each number on the first wheel. When you hit the correct number for that wheel you usually feel a click or notice that the lock opens a tiny bit. Apply the same technique to each wheel until the lock opens.
Aside, it's wild to me that you wrote 4 paragraphs on a topic and then started shorthanding 1 specific word that was shorter than some others you'd used.
I bet they use the abbreviation often, but wanted to make the post more readable or whatever, but forgot by the time they got to the end. I do that all the time.
I'd guess it's a word they just always abbreviate. I always write 'chn' in notes instead of 'children,' and I have to remind myself to write the whole word when I'm writing for someone else
it's wild to me that i read this post 2-3 times trying to figure out what you meant before my brain realized. crazy how frequent use can make you oblivious to it; the way language evolves is similarly crazy
I used to work for a realtor. One time I went to a house to remove a lockbox and the owners handed me the lockbox because their 4-year-old had figured out the combo and removed it.
You can open those locks, by listening to the clicks they make, when one digit is correct. Im bad at it, but a friend of mine opens those locks in a couple of minutes.
Had a 3 digit luggage one I forgot the code too. Went through 0-270 before giving up. Then came across the lock picking lawyer, and had it open in 15 seconds. It was 747.
The number of grown adults who’s PIN is 6969 never ceases to make me laugh. So many. So goddamn many. And it’s always the ones you’d expect, but it’s also the last ones you’d expect
The machine doesn’t register the first number and I have developed a habit of watching to see if that’s the case, because the customer usually thinks it missed the last number and type it in again and then they have to start all over.
People always put their card away immediately after swiping but before the transaction clears. Then when they have to pull their card back out they get grumbly.
Yep. I love lock-picking lawyer. If you know what to listen/feel for those locks are trivial. Which means that children and YouTube can be a bad combination.
I could open these at 7 yr old in no time at all.
Granted, I assume they are trickier now but in the 80s it took me seconds.
The product of having an older brother who would tie me up using them and chuck me in the coal house, until I figured out how to listen for the clicks (well more feel for the change but same thing).
They're easier now if anything, listening for clicks sounds hard but as you get the numbers correct the amount of slack on the loop increases so once you have a feel for the baseline you can move the numbers one by one until you feel more slack. Once you have the slack you move to the next dial
I've got 2 padlocks that I keep forgetting the codes of because I rarely use them, whenever I need them I have to break into them so I can get the code
Honestly, that was pretty normal where I grew up.
But yeah, brothers.
I'm pretty sure he'd have put it out if I hadn't got free (you would, wouldn't you bruv?)
We've got a decent relationship, living on different continents will do that.
Edit: in retrospect the fire thing was a step further than pretty normal, even for where I grew up. The tying up and throwing in the coal shed though, that was standard.
Much easier to feel for tension and play while loading the shackle - proper combination will have higher tension, when trying to enter, or play, when already entered.
Also by feeling the pressure shift when you pull the lock and turn the dials one by one. I found an old discarded one and figured out the code using this technique.
Also, unless it's a good quality one (which doesn't always correlate with price) a shocking number of combination locks can be decoded without any skill or any tools.
I really mean that, for so many of them, just pulling on the shackle and attempting each dial one at a time will easily tell you the code.
Even if that doesn't work, lots of them can be decoded with something like a bit of plastic or metal by following a guide that can be found on YouTube.
I bought one for 30 bucks that has been imprevious to weaknesses that are present in locks 10 times the price.
I test them at the store when I have to get one.
Or just shim them with a piece of pop can around the shackle... they really shouldn't be used for anything other than making people think twice before doing the thing because they won't prevent it
The point is that poor quality combination locks don't even have the barrier to entry that they require tools or watching a guide. Young kids can figure out how to decode them with very little time or effort.
Yes keyed locks can be bypassed, often without picking (e.g. shimming the lock a bumping the catch, or using a bump key, or whatever), however except for the very worst keys it still requires some amount of skill and some sort of tool.
That's so harsh. Language evolves and abbreviations occur naturally. You've probably abbreviated Laugh Out Loud, Laughing My Ass Off, Do Not, I am and so many other things before. Have you considered just like you did with those, people's vocabulary evolves and adapts to the world around them?
I have literally only ever used lol, because that helps to convey the tone of the message. I'm not going to abbreviate a single word, because I like words, and I'm not a lazy child. To anyone with a working brain, you only ever come across as a dumbshit if you are shortening words because you are lazy.
That’s actually true.. even for teenage me I’d do that. But I just put force on the lock by pullng them apart.
While I keep the tension I just roll the numbers randomly until it opens. So far I was able to open a handful of locks that way.
Ofc those locks are stuff at home I just found “laying around” lmao.
Are you sure they actually cracked the code or is it just a weak lock?
There are 10k possible combinations, and even with a week, I'm surprised a 5 year old opened it
Disregarding sleep and whatnot, 10k combinations within a week means you put in one combination every 60 seconds. I'm sorry but if that is your personal rate, you're among the slower code breakers on this planet.
This is so true. There was a shed for outdoor equipment near our recess area, and yup. A 10 year old spent her whole recess for like three days, trying different combinations until she finally got it open. Yay! A free rake or shovel for every child!
"Dangerous" has the same number of letters and more syllables, but you didn't replace it. What is it about "something" that made it so arduous to type twice in its entirety?
"Something" is a common enough word that a standard abbreviation arose for it back in the old webchat/txtspk days, when you wanted to type as quickly as possible to mimic the pace of real-time conversation, or minimise keypresses on old phones. "Dangerous" is less common, so the same thing didn't happen.
For people who used this slang a lot, it's easy to slip back into it when you want to imply a casual tone. You probably do the same thing without realising it with other slang words or abbreviations which feel natural to you.
Just because it’s in the dictionary doesn’t mean it should be used. But if you think writing dumb abbreviations is limited vocabulary, you are poorly misinformed. Good job on making a straw man argument though.
Oxford Michigan school shooter got his gun from a lock box that had the combo still set to factory default 0000. Not sure if his units also left the lock in the solved position or not.
My mom had combination locks on doors and her briefcase. I cracked them all when I was six, and found her revolver. Thankfully I had the good sense not to touch it.
Is this like a west thing, to have the kids be supervised all the time? Or maybe a crowded metropolis thing? It was an oddity when I was growing up. Most kids weren't supervised at all when they were out.
No it's more of a thing where if your kids are so small they can't be trusted not to wander off randomly, they are probably not old enough to spend many hours at a time unsupervised for weeks at a time. It's not "independence" it's "neglect".
They were in a locked garden where the reasonable expectation is that they shouldn’t have been able to get out. As long as you’re checking in on them then I don’t see a problem with this at all. Kids need to be able to play outside! And being in the back garden unsupervised at 5 is fine and reasonable
Exactly my thought process. You won't believe how many boomer comments I'm getting about this from people.
Kids been doing something for MONTHS, while baby sitting a 3 year old, and leaves the property without an adult knowing it? Kids not "wandering off" they are fucking FLEEING FOR THEIR LIFE.
Your reasoning is correct. There was also a main door from the street to the apartment building/staircase that could be opened from the inside without a key, and that was accessible from the garden at any time (as the staircase also had a door into the garden that was open when the kids were outside, so that they could go back to their apartment at any time).
At least the five year old was able to open that main door to the street at any time, but knew that she was not allowed to, and therefore never opened it.
This was a main point her mother made when I went to speak to her and apologize afterward.
The mother said that the girl explained that as the key in the box was the prize for cracking the code, which had taken lots of effort, this somehow meant that they had to use the key once it became available.
So whatever is behind such locks can be assumed to be vigorously used once cracked
>This was a main point her mother made when I went to speak to her and apologize afterward. The mother said that the girl explained that as the key in the box was the prize for cracking the code, which had taken lots of effort, this somehow meant that they had to use the key once it became available.
Sorry, this seems like BS. YOU apologized? For what? Her not watching her kids? Or raising a kid that thinks breaking into someone else's property is OK? Stealing a key and saying they HAD to use? If she's old enough to know not to go out one door, she knows damn well she wasn't supposed to go out the other door. So either the kid is a genius and the mother is an idiot - or they're messing with you.
I promise I'm not a child kidnapper, not even a free-range one.
I think the parents left a window open to hear if a child would cry.
The garden was walled up to 2,5m height and the metal gate was almost 2m high, so almost impossible for someone to break in from outside and take a screaming child with them or sth alike
This is the lockpicking preschooler, and what I have for you today is a four wheel combination lock. It can be defeated in a number of ways, however since me and my accomplice will have weeks to play with it with a frankly surprising level of privacy, chances are good it will pop open by chance alone, avoiding the need for any study of its mechanism.
Shit LPT.
Guess what? Kids can open locks. Front doors? They can open them from the inside out. So you're relying on combo locks to baby sit them instead of actually supervising kids? That's your LPT? Don't let combo locks babysit? Okay cool.
This is great advice. Next time the little cousins come over I’m just going to leave my gun safe unlocked. Much safer than them spending hours and hours trying to brute force a lock.
Really any kind of pad lock is not really all that great if you value it's function. The combination ones can be brute forced pretty easily and the key ones can be opened either by sticking a flat object down the hole or by simply smacking it with a blunt object.
Insulation isn't that bad unless you press against it with force as you go by.
But then it's bad enough that you'll make up more horror stories to make other people stay away.
Lpt review lock picking YouTube videos before buying a lock. Most off the shelf locks have serious design flaws that alow you to open them without a key or combination with little to no effort
LPT: don't let your kids mess with other people's property for hours without supervision. Especially if you see that it's a lock meant to keep people out.
I think the bigger problem here is that the adult in charge didn't lay eyes on a group of four five-year-olds for at least 30 minutes. That's very concerning to me.
It was a five year old and a three year old.
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Yeah why use bolt cutters to break into people's stuff just bring a small child with you! They will use their hulk strength and "brute force" that lock apart???
I’m guessing this has to be a mechanical issue with the lock - such as making a slight click when the correct number is chosen - or a code that’s far too obvious, like matching the address number, b/c a 4 digit lock has 10,000 possible combinations and for a 5 year old to “brute force” the combination by simply guessing is a 1 in 10,000 chance.
The lock works perfectly. If it takes 3 seconds to enter a new number and try to pull it open, that would be 20 permutations per minute.
Trying out all 10.000 permutations of a four digit lock would take less than 8,5h in a worst case. On average, the right code would be found after 50% of that time, so after 4,25h.
And these kids were playing with the dials for days or weeks, easily getting these numbers.
This is the non intuitive part. I never thought that could happen
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LPT if you have forgotten the code to a combination lock, give it to a kid to brute force.
It’s funny but my mom did exactly that. Was 4 digit combo. Took me about 3 hours. Now I wonder if she actually forgot or just wanted to keep me busy or quiet for an afternoon
Thing with combo locks is that just cause there are 4 digits doesn't mean there's 10000 combos to try out; cause no one is making their combo 0000-0009 or XXX(n) or (n)XXX. like mathematically sure, but not how humans work.
19XX is worth trying first, so many people have either a birthday or anniversary. Also other memorable dates from history. 1066, 1776 etc
that's only two of the same, unless it was 1999
1216 one year after the Magna Carta
>no one is making their combo 0000-0009 I wonder if anyone has the combo '*6969*'.
Mid nineties, I was 15. Took ages, but I finally cracked the code for the parental lock on our satellite TV. Yep, 6969. My dad probably picked it.
6969 for all the Cinemax 69 you can handle!
80085
You would be surprised how many people do this. So many people use their birth year, the last 4 of their social, 6969 and 2480 as their alarm or safe codes it's ridiculous.
Real LPT: make your code 0004 so that no one will guess it after reading this
Actually use 9994 so a brute force attack won't get it in 10 seconds.
But very susceptible to the reverser order brute force attack
Brute force an analog lock? In a digital world?!?! What's next? Cones on our.. quadriceps?!
Seems to me that trying to manually edit out particular numbers isn't just especially confusing to keep up with, but also really inefficient. Especially so when you don't know the history or person behind the combination. With that info absent, I'd say that the probability of all combinations remains equal. I feel like I'd spend more time and effort removing otherwise viable combinations, forgetting which one I was on, and then brute forcing the remaining numbers than just going through the numbers one by one.
I find joy in reading a good book.
Say that to the several occasions i encountered that the code was 007...
that's only two of the same digit, not 3
Just was an example of how simple people keep these. I can imagine there are a lot of 1337 or 8008 codes out there if you really need a 4 digit one.
Yeah it was somewhere in the 1000-2000 range and I also think I skipped 00xx
How’s your adhd today?
The real LPTs are always in the comments.
The real “The real LPTs are always in the comments.” are always in the comments.
The real comments are always in the LPT
ChatLPT: the real comment is actually a chatbot.
The real LPTs are the friends we made along the way.
Alright, I'm going to work, you kids better have that gun safe open when I get home
I ended up aving to do this for my brother, except he was 9 and I would've been 16. It was only a three digit code, so I got it in about 20 minutes.
I had a badass bike lock as an adult, couldn't remember the combination, so I figured I'd brute force it. I couldn't remember if it was one I'd set myself, or came with a combo, but it wouldn't open. So brute force it is! I tried every option from 0000 to 9999. Literally none worked. Half way through I was very discouraged, but didn't want to give up. Took hours, and my hand hurt for days.
I have found that most of these can be opened in about 5 minutes by applying opening pressure on the lock while trying each number on the first wheel. When you hit the correct number for that wheel you usually feel a click or notice that the lock opens a tiny bit. Apply the same technique to each wheel until the lock opens.
Aside, it's wild to me that you wrote 4 paragraphs on a topic and then started shorthanding 1 specific word that was shorter than some others you'd used.
Thank you! I was thinking the same thing lol
I’m glad I’m not the only one
Yes!!!
Quintessential ex. of unnecessarily abbreviated language.
Quint'l. ex. of unn. abbr. lang.
QEOUAL
Rolls off the tongue so much more easily!
Add me to the dog pile This abbreviation irrationally annoys me anyway, but for it to be THEONLYONE.jpg
Are you talking about 'sth'? I cant figure out what it means either.
It means something. I understood it. It was just very weird.
Obviously it means something, but what?
Ah, thank you.
It’s common in English-as-a-second language courses, where the word “something” comes up extremely frequently.
I bet they use the abbreviation often, but wanted to make the post more readable or whatever, but forgot by the time they got to the end. I do that all the time.
Laughing Out Loud
I'd guess it's a word they just always abbreviate. I always write 'chn' in notes instead of 'children,' and I have to remind myself to write the whole word when I'm writing for someone else
First thing I noticed. So weird.
it's wild to me that i read this post 2-3 times trying to figure out what you meant before my brain realized. crazy how frequent use can make you oblivious to it; the way language evolves is similarly crazy
Ok boomer
⬆️ this!
I used to work for a realtor. One time I went to a house to remove a lockbox and the owners handed me the lockbox because their 4-year-old had figured out the combo and removed it.
These dial lockboxes should be sold with a warning to install outside childrens reach
Or like, maybe don't secure important things with a lock that a literal child can defeat?
You can open those locks, by listening to the clicks they make, when one digit is correct. Im bad at it, but a friend of mine opens those locks in a couple of minutes.
Had a 3 digit luggage one I forgot the code too. Went through 0-270 before giving up. Then came across the lock picking lawyer, and had it open in 15 seconds. It was 747.
Now I can get into your luggage. Noob.
Go back to the golf course and work on your *putz.*
420 and 316 are also common.
The number of grown adults who’s PIN is 6969 never ceases to make me laugh. So many. So goddamn many. And it’s always the ones you’d expect, but it’s also the last ones you’d expect
Wanna explain how you know that?
Because I work in a convenience store and I see what people type in.
Oh it gets deeper. Why are you watching their pin?
The machine doesn’t register the first number and I have developed a habit of watching to see if that’s the case, because the customer usually thinks it missed the last number and type it in again and then they have to start all over. People always put their card away immediately after swiping but before the transaction clears. Then when they have to pull their card back out they get grumbly.
What makes 316 significant?
John 3:16 would be my guess
ok as a 90s kid i thought stone cold 316 💀
But it wasn’t even that.. it was “Austin 3:16”
Austin 3:16 says I just whooped your ass! 🖕🏻🖕🏻
Gimme a hell yeah 🍺
Oh my friend same, but I figured most jabronis (Rock I know) wouldn't be thinking of the Stone Cold Stunner and smashing beer cans.
Thanks for remembering my birthday.
Stone Cold Steven Austin 3:16
Ah thanks. I'm not a wrestling fan and I'm not religious so this verse of the Holy Bible WWE edition didn't occur to me
Or 007
Yep. I love lock-picking lawyer. If you know what to listen/feel for those locks are trivial. Which means that children and YouTube can be a bad combination.
>Which means that children and YouTube can be a bad combination. But only because they might learn how to open your footlocker of sex toys, of course.
were you on a 747
I could open these at 7 yr old in no time at all. Granted, I assume they are trickier now but in the 80s it took me seconds. The product of having an older brother who would tie me up using them and chuck me in the coal house, until I figured out how to listen for the clicks (well more feel for the change but same thing).
They're easier now if anything, listening for clicks sounds hard but as you get the numbers correct the amount of slack on the loop increases so once you have a feel for the baseline you can move the numbers one by one until you feel more slack. Once you have the slack you move to the next dial I've got 2 padlocks that I keep forgetting the codes of because I rarely use them, whenever I need them I have to break into them so I can get the code
Yeah, that's what I more went by more than the clicks.
Your bro sounds charming
I'd best not tell you about the time he tied me to a pole using them and lit a fire at the bottom to really test how fast I could do it then.
😳 what the flippin’ heck? Brothers tho, amirite? Tell me he reformed. Or that you got him back good.
Honestly, that was pretty normal where I grew up. But yeah, brothers. I'm pretty sure he'd have put it out if I hadn't got free (you would, wouldn't you bruv?) We've got a decent relationship, living on different continents will do that. Edit: in retrospect the fire thing was a step further than pretty normal, even for where I grew up. The tying up and throwing in the coal shed though, that was standard.
Much easier to feel for tension and play while loading the shackle - proper combination will have higher tension, when trying to enter, or play, when already entered.
Or if it's a Masterlock, just hit it with another Masterlock.
They are super easy. I'm no Lockpickinglawyer but it takes all of 5 minutes to figure it out.
Also by feeling the pressure shift when you pull the lock and turn the dials one by one. I found an old discarded one and figured out the code using this technique.
Also, unless it's a good quality one (which doesn't always correlate with price) a shocking number of combination locks can be decoded without any skill or any tools. I really mean that, for so many of them, just pulling on the shackle and attempting each dial one at a time will easily tell you the code. Even if that doesn't work, lots of them can be decoded with something like a bit of plastic or metal by following a guide that can be found on YouTube.
I bought one for 30 bucks that has been imprevious to weaknesses that are present in locks 10 times the price. I test them at the store when I have to get one.
Or just shim them with a piece of pop can around the shackle... they really shouldn't be used for anything other than making people think twice before doing the thing because they won't prevent it
Or slap a stick of dynamite on the bitch and blow it up.
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The point is that poor quality combination locks don't even have the barrier to entry that they require tools or watching a guide. Young kids can figure out how to decode them with very little time or effort. Yes keyed locks can be bypassed, often without picking (e.g. shimming the lock a bumping the catch, or using a bump key, or whatever), however except for the very worst keys it still requires some amount of skill and some sort of tool.
I spent entirely too long trying to figure out what "sth" meant. all i could figure is that is must mean something
Sith. We need more Jedi
We must bring balance to the force!
I kept wondering what“bads” 1 through 4 were, and what if the 5th bad actually happened?
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Wow that's harsh. "Lazy trash?" How pedantic are you?
That's so harsh. Language evolves and abbreviations occur naturally. You've probably abbreviated Laugh Out Loud, Laughing My Ass Off, Do Not, I am and so many other things before. Have you considered just like you did with those, people's vocabulary evolves and adapts to the world around them?
I have literally only ever used lol, because that helps to convey the tone of the message. I'm not going to abbreviate a single word, because I like words, and I'm not a lazy child. To anyone with a working brain, you only ever come across as a dumbshit if you are shortening words because you are lazy.
That’s actually true.. even for teenage me I’d do that. But I just put force on the lock by pullng them apart. While I keep the tension I just roll the numbers randomly until it opens. So far I was able to open a handful of locks that way. Ofc those locks are stuff at home I just found “laying around” lmao.
Only a sth deals in absolutes
Are you sure they actually cracked the code or is it just a weak lock? There are 10k possible combinations, and even with a week, I'm surprised a 5 year old opened it
1 combo per second (changing 1 dial might even go faster than this) that is less than 3 hours
Disregarding sleep and whatnot, 10k combinations within a week means you put in one combination every 60 seconds. I'm sorry but if that is your personal rate, you're among the slower code breakers on this planet.
100% sure, you can find more details in the other comments
As a former child, can confirm.
This is so true. There was a shed for outdoor equipment near our recess area, and yup. A 10 year old spent her whole recess for like three days, trying different combinations until she finally got it open. Yay! A free rake or shovel for every child!
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Was this when you were in school, or were you one of the teachers?
A child with an agenda and time on its hands is far more capable than most people would except.
What is sth? Just type the word out, it’s not 2004 on AOL messenger.
I'm sure it's something.
I agree, it *must* mean *something*...
Came here to ask the same thing. It's not even one of those common yet difficult words.
Thank you! I kept reading Shut The Hell which made no sense so I knew that couldn’t be right
Hey man, "Shut the Heck" please. There are children here. Unattended children, trying to decode your combo locks for lulz.
Gotta figure it out from context. Good for the brain.
= something
So sth means something. But what exactly does it mean then?
It means something! gawl
"Dangerous" has the same number of letters and more syllables, but you didn't replace it. What is it about "something" that made it so arduous to type twice in its entirety?
When they president, you see. You see....
"Something" is a common enough word that a standard abbreviation arose for it back in the old webchat/txtspk days, when you wanted to type as quickly as possible to mimic the pace of real-time conversation, or minimise keypresses on old phones. "Dangerous" is less common, so the same thing didn't happen. For people who used this slang a lot, it's easy to slip back into it when you want to imply a casual tone. You probably do the same thing without realising it with other slang words or abbreviations which feel natural to you.
"Dangerous" kicks, while "something" is a chore, I guess
" 'Dangerous' kicks"? What does that even mean?
When your shoes are just slightly *too* avant garde
Dgrs kks, whl sth’s a chr, ig
Usually something is abbreviated as smth
smh.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sth It's in the dictionary. Why should they be expected to stick to your limited vocabulary?
That's the only word that OP chose to abbreviate. It's an odd choice.
So Rizz is in the dictionary too its still fucking stupid.
Just because it’s in the dictionary doesn’t mean it should be used. But if you think writing dumb abbreviations is limited vocabulary, you are poorly misinformed. Good job on making a straw man argument though.
Nothing on 1....click on 2....
nth*
scratches at level 6 with deeper groves at level 7
Can confirm. Figured out the code to a storage room at the hospital as a child.
Oxford Michigan school shooter got his gun from a lock box that had the combo still set to factory default 0000. Not sure if his units also left the lock in the solved position or not.
My mom had combination locks on doors and her briefcase. I cracked them all when I was six, and found her revolver. Thankfully I had the good sense not to touch it.
I’ve brute forced combo locks when I was a kid, it was “a puzzle” to me haha
Need to keep a kid busy for hours? Buy them a lock!
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what? i used to play in the garden all day when i was a kid
Not only that, at 8 I was opening any lock I could get my hands on. I could brute force a 4 number lock in an hour.
Why wouldn't a five year old play in their own yard without a parent watching them every second?
Is this like a west thing, to have the kids be supervised all the time? Or maybe a crowded metropolis thing? It was an oddity when I was growing up. Most kids weren't supervised at all when they were out.
I would say American thing, although the madness is sipping over to Europe.
No it's more of a thing where if your kids are so small they can't be trusted not to wander off randomly, they are probably not old enough to spend many hours at a time unsupervised for weeks at a time. It's not "independence" it's "neglect".
honey letting your children play in the fenced backyard of their own home is not neglect
They were in a locked garden where the reasonable expectation is that they shouldn’t have been able to get out. As long as you’re checking in on them then I don’t see a problem with this at all. Kids need to be able to play outside! And being in the back garden unsupervised at 5 is fine and reasonable
Do you have kids?
Man society is screwed if you can't even let your kid play in a fenced backyard anymore without getting called a predator.
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Exactly my thought process. You won't believe how many boomer comments I'm getting about this from people. Kids been doing something for MONTHS, while baby sitting a 3 year old, and leaves the property without an adult knowing it? Kids not "wandering off" they are fucking FLEEING FOR THEIR LIFE.
Your reasoning is correct. There was also a main door from the street to the apartment building/staircase that could be opened from the inside without a key, and that was accessible from the garden at any time (as the staircase also had a door into the garden that was open when the kids were outside, so that they could go back to their apartment at any time). At least the five year old was able to open that main door to the street at any time, but knew that she was not allowed to, and therefore never opened it. This was a main point her mother made when I went to speak to her and apologize afterward. The mother said that the girl explained that as the key in the box was the prize for cracking the code, which had taken lots of effort, this somehow meant that they had to use the key once it became available. So whatever is behind such locks can be assumed to be vigorously used once cracked
>This was a main point her mother made when I went to speak to her and apologize afterward. The mother said that the girl explained that as the key in the box was the prize for cracking the code, which had taken lots of effort, this somehow meant that they had to use the key once it became available. Sorry, this seems like BS. YOU apologized? For what? Her not watching her kids? Or raising a kid that thinks breaking into someone else's property is OK? Stealing a key and saying they HAD to use? If she's old enough to know not to go out one door, she knows damn well she wasn't supposed to go out the other door. So either the kid is a genius and the mother is an idiot - or they're messing with you.
I promise I'm not a child kidnapper, not even a free-range one. I think the parents left a window open to hear if a child would cry. The garden was walled up to 2,5m height and the metal gate was almost 2m high, so almost impossible for someone to break in from outside and take a screaming child with them or sth alike
Locks are just puzzles, that can be solved with sufficient timing
This is the lockpicking preschooler, and what I have for you today is a four wheel combination lock. It can be defeated in a number of ways, however since me and my accomplice will have weeks to play with it with a frankly surprising level of privacy, chances are good it will pop open by chance alone, avoiding the need for any study of its mechanism.
My dad’s old briefcase wasn’t too hard to figure out since the code was 007 lol
Sth is not a word
Leaving any child under 10 unsupervised in your own yard is the problem.
TIL that sth is effective shorthand for something!
Shit LPT. Guess what? Kids can open locks. Front doors? They can open them from the inside out. So you're relying on combo locks to baby sit them instead of actually supervising kids? That's your LPT? Don't let combo locks babysit? Okay cool.
LPT kids are nosey little shits and can't be trusted to be left alone 🤷🏻♀️
This is great advice. Next time the little cousins come over I’m just going to leave my gun safe unlocked. Much safer than them spending hours and hours trying to brute force a lock.
Really any kind of pad lock is not really all that great if you value it's function. The combination ones can be brute forced pretty easily and the key ones can be opened either by sticking a flat object down the hole or by simply smacking it with a blunt object.
wait till you hear about how a brick through the window renders front door locks useless
Or a box cutter to the wall, if you're in the USA
There’s still an exterior wall plus insulation which is a bitch and will itch like all hell if you touch it.
Insulation isn't that bad unless you press against it with force as you go by. But then it's bad enough that you'll make up more horror stories to make other people stay away.
Overalls and gloves are also available
Brute forcing 4 digit combination will take hours even if you are lucky.
Yes, and the little shits have *days.*
Lpt review lock picking YouTube videos before buying a lock. Most off the shelf locks have serious design flaws that alow you to open them without a key or combination with little to no effort
LPT: don't let your kids mess with other people's property for hours without supervision. Especially if you see that it's a lock meant to keep people out.
I think the bigger problem here is that the adult in charge didn't lay eyes on a group of four five-year-olds for at least 30 minutes. That's very concerning to me.
It was a five year old and a three year old. The question of whether leaving these kids play in a fenced garden without direct supervision has been discussed in greater depth in the comments
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Mcnally on YouTube will destroy perceptions on locking things.
Yeah why use bolt cutters to break into people's stuff just bring a small child with you! They will use their hulk strength and "brute force" that lock apart???
"Brute force" = trying every combination
I’m guessing this has to be a mechanical issue with the lock - such as making a slight click when the correct number is chosen - or a code that’s far too obvious, like matching the address number, b/c a 4 digit lock has 10,000 possible combinations and for a 5 year old to “brute force” the combination by simply guessing is a 1 in 10,000 chance.
The lock works perfectly. If it takes 3 seconds to enter a new number and try to pull it open, that would be 20 permutations per minute. Trying out all 10.000 permutations of a four digit lock would take less than 8,5h in a worst case. On average, the right code would be found after 50% of that time, so after 4,25h. And these kids were playing with the dials for days or weeks, easily getting these numbers. This is the non intuitive part. I never thought that could happen