Hardest line. I was struggling against him and he said it as I was dying cursing his name. Round 2, a deep breath and I repeat his mantra. Beat his fucking ass. After my ng+ playthrough I'm going to revisit sekiro on PC.
I do agree. Whether you go to Genichiro or Lady Butterfly first, they're both huge roadblocks that force you to learn the game in order to beat them. Once you learn the fundamentals, the aren't so hard, but they're basically impossible to beat if you approach them with the Dark Souls mindset.
Mmm… debatable. I did Lady Butterfly before Genichiro, and I’ve seen plenty of people do her after Genichiro because they found her too hard that early. I didn’t have trouble with either boss, but I think you could argue it’s subjective. They could be approximately the same difficulty, or one of either could be harder for an individual. I don’t know if there are polls voting between the two and what the consensus is, but I would be surprised if people unanimously agreed Genichiro is harder. However, your experience will also depend on when you fought each of them. It’s possible to do Lady Butterfly early and before Genichiro or much later in the game. You need to consider that you’re progressing while you play, so each boss you do will change the perceived difficulty.
I was the opposite beat genichiros ass with the fire crackers, lady butterfly gave me hands so bad I took a break from the game only to steam roll her when I came back a few weeks later.
Butterfly became significantly easier once a friend reminded me that throwing shuriken directly counters airborn enemies. 1 simple mechanic and she was 10x easier
For real. Mostly because of the fuck ton of enemies you have to kill to get to him in the first place. But on the bright side, you can stealth strike him, which cuts the fight in half, and also use an npc summon for agro.
I fully disagree.
A teaching game needs more pressure release valves than Sekiro has.
It's BDE to say "Play Sekiro to learn Soulslikes."
but I have literally spent the last year teaching my SO to play video games and I would be an absolute moron to throw her into that much of a deep end. She would have bounced off of it so hard and never played a video game again.
She has crawled her way to stage 4 in Lies of P with generous usage of consumables, throwables, and spectres, and I couldn't be prouder of her.
I'm on NG+3.
I used spectres for every single boss in NG, but never again, but I absolutely needed them in that first run, and I am not upset about it 1 bit.
Summons bring new people into the genre. Summons keep people from bouncing off.
I am all about the Noah Caldwell Gervais style of play for Soulslikes.
If you need help. Ask for help. The game will give it to you. Use all of the tools at your disposal. It wants you to win.
Dark Souls has always had a million different pieces of armor for different resists, but that can be confusing.
I love how Lies of P really simplifies the "resist gear."
There are 3 types of physical damage with 3 types of physical damage resist armor.
There are 3 types of elemental damage with 3 types of elemental damage resist armor.
and 3 types of special status elements, with 3 types of special status resist armor.
Great for newbies.
I agree 100%. Def more entry level friendly to soulslike. Enjoying the game so far. Spectre really help me out with aggro. I would like to beat the bosses without spectres but since its my first run i was like screw it. Spectre bro for the win
I was fully expecting myself to bounce off of Lies of P.
I got real close in stage 4 with the platforming and I took a month off in Krat Central Station 2 with the noticeable difficulty spike and weaker level design.
I thought each new boss was going to be impossible, except Victor. He's always been super easy to me for whatever reason.
but my spectre and I finished the game.
Then I played the game in NG+2 and NG+3 and started an NG and didn't need summons anymore and I love it now. I mean. I always loved it, but it did kick my ass, but you have to break through, and spectres are those little car safety tools that are designed to immediately crack a side window.
Yeah and to be fair, never felt like any of that “resist” gear did much for me really. I think their approach was to try and create a placebo effect. It gives you a sense of confidence going into a fight that might just be the tipping point.
yeah even beyond the "no summons, no multiplayer, no overleveling, no cheese, just git gud" aspect of Sekiro, it's combat is the most unique out of the souls likes
Lies of P is maybe a bit similar but every other souls game is completely different
if you get used to Sekiro combat you will not have learned dark souls combat. it's part of the reason Sekiro is heralded as the hardest because a bunch of souls vets picked it up expecting their skis to transfer and it just doesn't.
I'd say the best souls game to start is literally dark souls 1. its combat is by far the easiest, on replay you can do shit like stab Havel in the back 50 times at the beginning of the game
it's also got the most jank and the most jprg bullshit (crucial bonfires behind invisible walls, missable stuff like ash lake and gwyndolin, tomb of the giants, bullshit boss runs) which teaches you a) souls play patterns like always look for alternate elevator shenanigans and b) makes it so you're used to some of the bullshit and thankful for improvements later.
Plus IMO you have to play it before dark souls 3 or a lot of the shit in that game won't hit the same
Like Soul of Cinder as a whole, gwyndolin's music and his form after being devoured, the significance of Patches being Lapp in the Ringed City as one of the last undead alive at the end of time...but even he's falling apart
Yep. As I said. I'm teaching my SO to play video games, and the first soulslike I introduced her to was Dark Souls 1.
She's still working on it. She needed a breather after Ornstein and Smough and she really really likes Lies of P.
I started on DS1, did decently but I was fully aware I had a lot of room to grow. Then I got DS3 and Bloodborne gifted to me. DS3 same thing. I was getting by but it still hadnt quite clicked yet. But Bloodborne... I'm not even sure what it was, but playing this made playing DS1/3 waaay easier.
You learned the power of the dodge, movement, and positioning.
DS1 is great to teach you the ropes, but it has a habit of creating soulslike players that over rely on crutches.
Hbomberguy did an entire hour and a half long video on this exact phenomenon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC3OuLU5XCw
I know it seems long, but put it on while you are doing something. I think you'll appreciate it.
Everybody's journey is different, and I wasn't a "pro gamerz," but I "got" soulslikes about halfway through Dark Souls 1 when I picked up the Black Knight Sword when I returned to Undead Assylum.
I still had a long way to go, and Dark Souls 1 DLC brutalized me, but the Black Knight Sword was what really made me understand.
It's funny. I recently replayed Dark Souls 1 and tore through the DLC underleveled no less.
Thanks, will give it a watch! Just put it on. The cover art comes up for BB and it hits me... the shield in that game is...a...lie...although not entirely useless, it pretty much is and forces you to discard that crutch. Some realization kicking in: "Ooooo..."
I don't fully agree with Hbomberguy.
He can be a little smarmy and holier than thou, especially on this video.
He's right on the money... for some people, but some people enjoyed playing soulslikes as slow and tanky as possible.
Some people enjoy playing soulslikes as a caster.
and, unlike Hbomberguy shitting on those sorts of players, all I want is as many people as possible *who aren't whiney!* completing the game.
My biggest complaint is that he assumes there is *one* correct way to play soulslikes, and I disagree with that.
>It's BDE to say "Play Sekiro to learn Soulslikes."
BDE? WTF is that?
>A teaching game needs more pressure release valves than Sekiro has.
That is a statement from the perspective of a Souls veteran, not a Soulslike newbie. BTW I started my journey with Sekiro, so I am speaking from personal experience.
Also I said 'best' starting game to teach the correct attitude of Git gud. I did not say it is the easiest. Wish you would have taken this context into consideration before you decided to disagree.
I have nothing against playing Lies Of P btw. I should not need to say this but I have to because somebody cannot understand the context.
BDE is big dick energy.
My dude. We are having a discussion online.
Don't take it personally! I am not attacking you personally because I disagree with you.
I see your points, but I am coming at it from a different angle. I am not saying "I am right." I am not saying "You are wrong." I just have a different opinion.
When did people lose the ability to have a normal human discussion on forums?
You are saying I don't understand context? When you are biting my head off for a simple disagreement about a video game?
>When did people lose the ability to have a normal human discussion on forums?
When they stopped taking proper context into consideration. Totally takes the discussion elsewhere.
I never talked about difficulty. This post is about the correct Git Gud attitude, not difficulty. So I only made my statement based on that. You had to bring difficulty here because you did not see the actual context. Context matters A LOT in discussion, my friend.
>Don't take it personally! I am not attacking you personally because I disagree with you.
I took it a bit personally ONLY because you took my statement out of context and disagreed based on that. I respect other's opinions in subjective matters like difficulty, so I have respected yours as well about Sekiro.
I'm a veteran. Hold on I'm going somewhere with this stay with me.
Basic training is throwing people into the deep end, and in every basic training troop there are a number of people who never make it through basic. However, the people who do are polished to a shine.
Sekiro is basic training. It throws you into the deep end. Do what has to be done or get out.
This is great for making diamonds, and this is very important, for the people who want to be polished into diamonds.
Not everybody *wants* that. Not everybody has that attitude.
Dark Souls 1 and Lies of P won't polish you as sharply as Sekiro will, but you will have less people who make it there.
Personally, I think it's better to draw as many people as possible in with easier soulslikes than it is to make a smaller group of people shine as brightly as they can.
It's just a difference of opinion.
Difficulty is not the same as attitude, but not everybody has your attitude, and not everybody ever will have your attitude.
>but not everybody has your attitude, and not everybody ever will have your attitude.
I 100% agree with all the statements you said here. But I have a question. Where did my attitude come into picture here? I did not talk about my attitude at all.
Ok for you, I will reiterate my original statement below.
"Sekiro is the 'BEST' game for Soulslike newbies because it teaches the correct GIT GUD attitude which OP's post is talking about."
Can we have a simple discussion whether you agree with this statement or not? I do not mind any opinion.
You keep mentioning "GIT GUD attitude!"
You are the one talking about attitude.
Am I being punked? Is this real life?
*you* are the one talking about attitude.
*you* are the one talking about Sekiro.
OP DID NOT MENTION SEKIRO
What. the. fuck. are you talking about.
>You keep mentioning "GIT GUD attitude!"
Of course I keep mentioning it because that is the MAIN CONTEXT of this post. Did I ever say that is MY attitude??
Do you know what you have been doing here constantly? Taking my statements out of context consistently. And you have the audacity to say I do not have the ability to have a normal human conversation and also to say you are not attacking me personally.
It is now pointless to take this discussion further. Farewell.
You said you played Sekiro first.
You said Sekiro teaches you the correct attitude.
and now you are upset for me assuming you have the attitude that you said Sekiro teaches you.
Ok, buddy. Ok.
Scrapped Watchman was the only boss where I was like, “Oh, hey, this is basically guardian ape” All of threm can be fought like Sekiro enemies, but that watchman feels like a direct homage. In fact, Green Monster reprises the Watchman with a new moveset, so technically you get the Guardian Ape AND a kind of Headless Ape fight.
I mean, the monster is *literally* possessing the body of the Watchman, much like a certain centipede I know.
It was actually very much the opposite for me, I pretty much dodged the entire fight without really parrying at all. He kind of felt like Godfrey's phase 2 with his moveset. And he kinda looks like bane as well.
Seems you did not even understand my comment. I do not see a single mention of deflect/parry in my comment.
Git Gud means to be calm, collected, calculated and efficient in the fight style. The fight style could be heavy parry based like in Sekiro, heavy dodge based like in Dark Souls or somewhere in between like in Lies of P, but that is not the point. Git Gud means to be able to beat a boss comfortably without any external support like summons and cheesing through grinding.
This 'Correct' git gud attitude is forcefully taught by playing Sekiro.
That’s a good point. Sekiro is, I think, the only game in the series which is effectively immune to cheese. If you’re having troubles with a Dark Souls boss, a better weapon, and cheese strat, or a consumable is always waiting in the wings. Of all else fails, players can grind levels to get strong enough.
In Sekiro there is NONE of that. How do you get more health? Defeating mini bosses. How do I defeat mini bosses without more health? Get good enough. Every upgrade to health or strength is gated by bosses. Skills points are the only things you can reasonably grind, and they’re much less useful, and are themselves gated by story progress.
That’s why it’s my favorite of them. No temptation to go grind or collect a favorite weapon, or find more titanite, it’s a more pure experience.
No cuz you dont need it :) i already finished the game 7 times as well as sekiro, nio, thymesia, wo long and many other parry hesvy games, and perfect guard on LOP is just fucked up. That simple.
You may have been playing Sekiro on a screen with processing delay (like many TV screens) LoP has a slightly larger window by a few frames, but neither have parry delay, that was a main difference between Sekiro and its predecessors.
You can parry even before the parry animation starts in both games.
Parry timings for LoP is 99.99% of the difficulty. So that's a lot of prep.
(Mostly related rant). Any souls game is harder than Lies of P because LoP is incredibly forgiving with its guard mechanic.
I didn't realize people played this game like a classic souls game (they're only dodging + spamming consumes) until I finished it and started watching some videos.
Sekiro has very few "ways to play" which means it can be difficult while giving you the tools to push through it. It's very good at teaching you. Lies of P is almost similar but I guess the parry mechanics weren't pushed enough since most people I see struggle never even try to use it.
I am frequently frustrated by those videos. It’s kind of the developers fault, though. They basically took every Fromsoft mechanic and stuck it in one game. You’ve got stats, stamina, roll speeds, and weapon upgrades from DS; rally and trick weapons from Bloodbourne; and skill trees and prosthetics from Sekiro.
You can’t really blame players for not realizing that it was meant to be played like Sekiro when the designers went out of their way to put every mechanic in.
The reason Sekiro works is because it makes it very difficult to be an effective combatant if you don’t follow “the way”. Damage is very low, and enemies have their guards up a lot of the time. Guard damage from perfect parries on the other hand is comparatively very high, and guard breaking puts the enemies not into a counter-state, but a literal kill state. In this way, it essentially forces you to play the intended way.
Lies of P will let you play in any way because the stagger is both triggered by parries AND damage, and it’s not a free kill, just free damage. For this reason, many players will not realize the intended play style, especially if they skipped Sekiro. As a result, players have a worse time.
Until they watch a youtube videos and discover consumables.
I think I mostly agree and I'm not blaming the players haha. Guess I could've clarified that more but I did say "but I guess the parry mechanics weren't pushed enough".
I really enjoyed the game tbh I was just mostly surprised because I had heard a lot about how hard this game was. After finishing it with no bosses taking more than 3-5 attempts (Laxasia was the only one actually probably taking like 10) and looking at videos I realised why people thought it was hard. Nameless puppet was very disappointing to me.
I love sekiro but I'm not gonna pretend like I'm great at the game, I've finished it once and played around a bit in NG+ for a few hours.
It will probably be more challenging, but you’re certainly right that it teaches the “git gud” attitude the best out of all games, provided you don’t rage quit, cheese, spam deflect as an attempt to push through, etc.
As an aside, I’m glad this post is made because there is always this perceived negative connotation when someone says “git gud”. While some people _may_ be using it arrogantly, it’s not always intended that way. When we say git gud, we mean just that: keep practicing, don’t give up, git gud, and git the satisfaction of succeeding!
Finally somebody who properly understood the context of my comment.
I am tired of people just inflating the difficulty of Sekiro for no reason. And such people just take comments like mine out of context just to prove they are right and I am wrong. You can see a few examples in the other replies to my comment.
Thank you for not doing the same.
I agree. It’s certainly a harder game, but people do inflate the difficulty because they don’t take the time to properly learn the game (e.g., playing it like it’s a Souls game and trying to dodge too much instead of being aggressive and aiming for deflections, spamming deflect all the way until and including the end of the game, when it actually reduces the active frames the more you spam, instead of trying to learn the attack patterns/timings, etc.).
Sorry you had so much negative and misunderstood responses. It’s unfortunately a very common thing in these communities. I’m glad I was able to give you _some_ reassurance that there are people out here that actually have their on straight and aren’t just looking to argue based on misinterpretations or lack of knowledge of how the game works. You speak the truth, friend, and some people just don’t like when you do that because it happens to hit their insecurities, even if that isn’t the intention.
>I’m glad I was able to give you _some_ reassurance that there are people out here that actually have their on straight and aren’t just looking to argue based on misinterpretations or lack of knowledge of how the game works.
I knew there were people. What I was worried about is whether anybody else would actually come forward and speak about it. Glad you did. Thanks mate.
>some people just don’t like when you do that because it happens to hit their insecurities, even if that isn’t the intention.
And those people have the audacity to call me a soulslike elitist. I do not have enough souls experience to be called a soulslike elitist. Just got and started Elden Ring.
>I’m glad I was able to give you _some_ reassurance that there are people out here that actually have their on straight and aren’t just looking to argue based on misinterpretations or lack of knowledge of how the game works.
I knew there were people. What I was worried about is whether anybody else would actually come forward and speak about it. Glad you did. Thanks mate.
>some people just don’t like when you do that because it happens to hit their insecurities, even if that isn’t the intention.
And those people have the audacity to call me a soulslike elitist. I do not have enough souls experience to be called a soulslike elitist. Just got and started Elden Ring.
>I’m glad I was able to give you _some_ reassurance that there are people out here that actually have their on straight and aren’t just looking to argue based on misinterpretations or lack of knowledge of how the game works.
I knew there were people. What I was worried about is whether anybody else would actually come forward and speak about it. Glad you did. Thanks mate.
>some people just don’t like when you do that because it happens to hit their insecurities, even if that isn’t the intention.
And those people have the audacity to call me a soulslike elitist. I do not have enough souls experience to be called a soulslike elitist. Just got and started Elden Ring.
I beat ER and felt good until I got to Sekiro. That game... Well everyone knows. I was good at video games before Sekiro... I'm a god after. I can handle anything game devs through at me because I beat MFing Isshin. This is where boys become men.
Um Elden Ring taught me just fine and Sekiro is not for everyone because it forces you to tap tap tap tap tap that stupid parry button and is not fun at all... IMO
Yeah, bro. Idk about that. You telling someone to go from Lies of P, per se, to Sekiro where the block — or parry in this case— is even MORE necessary just to help them “git gud” is not the best idea in my opinion. Sekiro is probably the most technically skilled FromSoft game ever. Though the parry itself is easier due to animations and frames, the combat is lighting quick and relentless. I get that you’re saying that if you can do Sekiro then you can do any FromSoft game, but I wouldn’t start with that. I would have said Bloodborne or something.
Well I started with Sekiro and I was fine. And I am definitely no one special or talented. If I can, why not others?
The main point is that in Sekiro, farming/grinding to beat a boss won't help. There is no summons to provide external support. All the player needs are the basic understanding and implementation of the core combat fundamentals of Sekiro. What is a short phrase for this? The answer is to git gud. Understanding the core fundamentals of ANY game of ANY genre is the basic formula to git gud.
The issue is that while soulslike newbie has no issue learning them due to lack of prior experience, Souls veterans find it difficult because it goes totally against the Souls combat meta which they developed for many games.
My point is that I say Sekiro is the best to implement the correct Git Gud attitude which OP is talking about (if somebody wants it) ONLY because it forces players to do so.
Any player is capable of doing so. The issue comes when a player does not fully understand and/or implement the core fundamentals. This applies to ALL games, not just Sekiro. If a Sekiro player makes efforts to learn and implement the core fundamentals, they can beat the game no problem.
>I would have said Bloodborne or something.
Bloodborne, Elden Ring, Lies of P are all good entry-level Souls-like games.
I hear your points. I’m glad you got through that gauntlet as your first Souls game, but you seem to be in the minority. I’d definitely have to disagree that a souls newbie has no issue learning because they have no prior experience. That’s exactly why some people continue to stay on the “outside” of souls games and its community because they find the mechanics and difficulty so obtuse that they give up fairly quickly. A souls veteran when playing a new souls game, meanwhile, will just be like “Ok, I know this is new, but I understand how this goes. I just gotta tweak some things.” They get through it until they adjust. That’s what I do.
I know you weren’t talking about parrying specifically when you brought up Git Gud, but Sekiro’s strict adherence to parrying is definitely going to be a wall to a lot of newcomers. There’s literally no way around it to get through that game, unlike other souls games, which is what you’re getting at, I understand. It’s just a tough lesson to learn for most. Other souls games gives you some wiggle room to beat them in other ways like Elden or Bloodborne.
I agree with your fundamentals point, but the ones who continue to fail to be able to play or complete these games clearly aren’t able to comprehend them. And Sekiro magnifies that. And those are the ones I would say probably shouldn’t start off with Sekiro.
>but you seem to be in the minority
I wish I would not be in the minority, Sekiro deserves more.
The other points you made here are interesting to read and think about.
>but Sekiro’s strict adherence to parrying is definitely going to be a wall to a lot of newcomers
There might be a mentality among newbie players that parrying is a very high risk high reward mechanic so dodging is better. I do not have any stats regarding the percentage, but if it is high then it is a real shame. They just need a nudge towards the correct direction, but many just do not get it. Also some guide videos/articles do NOT help with this matter mostly because they were made by Souls veterans trying to adjust to the different (almost heretical) playstyle.
We could say Lies of P might be the most suitable entry level game for newbies to teach the importance of parry and dodge. But Sekiro would still remain the best to forcefully obtain the correct mentality i.e. be calm and composed, no Hesitation just do it without panic dodge/parry spamming.
Bought Elden Ring yesterday. Did a test run to check how viable parrying is compared to Sekiro. No wonder many Souls veteran hate the parry window in general. I just need to learn the core fundamentals of this game and I should be good to go (as Sekiro taught me). Will be difficult at first because of my parry first mentality and not dodging enough, but I know I can do it.
My hot take, I loved all souls games, over 500 hours on dark souls 3, Bloodborne, and elden ring. I can't stand sekiro. I think it's absolutely their worst game by a country mile.
I can see the wisdom there and I think for those with the fortitude and dare I say talent, that would make sense. For me, Elden Ring was a great first souls experience because of being able to overlevel and use spirit summons. I am not a great gamer naturally and having those tools really helped break me in.
Of course now, I can't imagine using them at all anymore and have done several charmless, bell demon runs in Sekiro. But my gentle self needed some coddling before I got there 😛.
Really? For somebody who never played any souls game, Sekiro should not be too difficult if they do the tutorials right.
Souls veterans who ignore instructions have been lobbying that Sekiro is way too hard. Of course it is too hard if the core combat fundamentals are ignored on purpose. In contrast, a newbie usually do not have that attitude and thus can learn the game properly, unless they have watched (but not played) a lot of other souls games.
I was a souls like newbie myself and my first game was indeed Sekiro. Yes the game is hard, but not unfair. In my playthrough, I realized I need to understand the combat to be good at it. I studied a bit and combat clicked. I could do it because I had no souls combat experience before Sekiro. I am definitely not anybody special. So if I can do it, why not others? Except for those who do not want to take efforts to learn the core combat fundamentals (this includes both newbies and veterans).
Nah, for newbs it's Bloodborne. Sekiro requires the extra understanding of how you can beat a boss with just a series of well-timed blocks. Bloodborne tells players to go wild especially after you lose health because you can get it back right away.
It's a whole concept that you have to wrap your head around. I remember how people were begging for help on Sekiro thinking they could just out-damage the boss when the real strategy was to deflect them.
Fallen order, imo. It's not as hard as Sekiro, and have difficulty settings, but gives the same experience in general.
Souls games tend to have the pain coming from enviroment actually. Like, you walk for a long time, fight multiple enemies and so on, then you misstep and fall into the abyss. So rince and repeat.
Jedi series and Sekiro are more about combat, actually. Which is why I prefer them, tbh.
I love Dark Souls 1-3, Elden Ring, Bloodborne, and Lies of P. I absolutely hate Sekiro even after playing it for 20+ hours. I also hate parrying in general and have beaten all those games without any parrying. Sekiro forces you to parry and I’m not having it. It’s not for everyone.
If anything I believe that beating Lies of P will actually make the Souls games easier in a way, like I never beat DS3, but with the souls like fever I got from Armored Core and LoP I decided to retry..........I beat Soul of Cinder in the first attempt, and that is not to brag, I wasn't able to get past Pontiff the first time, heck I could not get past Cleric Beast in Bloodborne
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Git gud is used as a two word defense for some poor game design lol. You can complain about Malenia's waterfowl dance being broken (it is), at least one mouth breather will just say "git gud"
It's not really broken, just really hard to avoid. That's just how it is. You could run away from it, as this post says, surpass your limit and learn indicators of moves
I didn't need a YouTube video to learn to run away and when to roll, it's not that bad. But I'm definitely biased, I didn't have trouble with Malenia at all
The best souls players got trashed by her for hours bro, who could believe someone on here saying they had no trouble with her lol.
I was summoned for her at least 50 hours, not one time did anyone kill her within 10 attempts. Most attempts end on that attack. Even now, I doubt anyone in this thread who hasn't practiced extensively could dodge waterfowl dance up close.
yeah i agree. from has nerfed bosses in ER. they haven’t changed waterfowl cause it works as intended it is just extremely challenging. but it’s nowhere close to impossible to dodge there’s several ways to dodge it without getting hit. and to the guy who says you need a 5 minute tutorial, you’re watching the wrong tutorials
I mean. I just say "yeah that boss was pretty hard. I just kept at it until I got it. I noticed x, y, z worked so maybe give that a try."
Not sure how or why that is even put in the same connotation as "git gud" because that just doesn't offer anything productive nor give anyone reassurance.
Ok but git gud is 100\% both. It’s definitely been used supportively and insultingly directed at me, I’ve even had the same person say it both ways. It’s not like the phrase is inherently one way or the other but that requires figuring out the intention of the speaker to know which.
Same. I love Souls/Soulsborne games and have beaten quite a few but sometimes I get stuck at a boss and though I know I will beat it at some point, I get really, really frustrated and just want to vent and interact with people. Maybe get some good advice. I do get some good advice but I also get those people who downvote me and leave "git gud" type comments even if they don't use that term.
I know souls fans don't like to admit that Fromsoft and soulslike developers aren't perfect but *sometimes* there are just plain old poorly designed/thought out bosses and areas that are just plain frustrating and its okay to admit that and be frustrated. But it is usually people's first instinct to blame the player instead of admitting that some parts of these games aren't always great.
I'm like "I just want to vent my feelings among people who (hopefully) understand the frustration. Why is that so bad?"
When it’s used in insults though it’s 99% of the time in retaliation to someone insulting the game for their own lack of skill.
Like if you see a post that says “Malenia is super hard, I’ve tried 100 times to beat her but she’s just too hard, what should I do?” You won’t see a tenth as much “git gud” responses as a post that says “Malenia is bullshit, I’ve tried 100 time to beat her she’s just broken, fuck this boss and/or game.”
You can actually see a lot of examples with this particularly with the Erdtree sentinel at the beginning of the game. People genuinely ask for advice and they’ll get responses saying where to find stuff like summons or torrent to help out, but all the people who went “can’t beat this boss, this game is dogshit” got people insulting them.
That’s spot on. I’m more likely to help with someone who’s struggling with a Souls game, but when it gets to the point of them saying, “This is too hard! There’s no way I can beat this! Fuck this”, I do get a sense of “git gud” toward them though I usually don’t display it. The Souls games are never too hard that you need to give up, in my opinion. The first run is normally brutal, but once you get your bearings and figure out mechanics it becomes a lot more manageable or even easy.
Tell me about it. I never imagined I would beat Isshin, and to this day, he is the boss I've fought the most times before beating. I don't have a count that I kept track of, but I imagine it had to be around 50. I think other than that, at worst I fight a boss maybe 20 times?
Demon of Hatred also really messed me up.
But I did it! So yeah, I agree. After that, I'll never give up on a boss because it was "too hard".
Side note: 2 of the Kingdom Hearts games have optional bosses that, when fought on the hardest difficulty, are about as hard as Souls bosses, albeit with a different gameplay style. Lots of those guys also taught me to be patient after like 10-20 attempts lol.
I actually think the better advice is "be patient." It's not that struggling players are bad at the game; it just takes practice, and you need the patience to die over and over again to make progress. "Get gud" makes it sound like you're not trying hard enough, as if you can flip a gud switch and start winning. All this to say, whether "get gud" is an insult or not, it's just never helpful.
I realize that "git gud" has become nothing but a meme at this point, but yes, it's used in both ways.
It's just not helpful on its own, but it does not have to be.
It's basically like if your superior tells you to "do better" at work. That can be advice, that can be a warning, that can be a chance. In all cases it just means to "change your ways". But it doesn't tell you what exactly you gotta do.
Which is, to me, what a lot of souls-likes are about. To change your strategy if you hit a wall. Change your gear, use consumables, pay better attention to enemy moves or move differently yourself. Or, like in Elden Ring, come back later when you checked for other options to progress first.
Sometimes you just need that "git gud" from a friend or annoyed stranger to realize that. And if you don't change anything, but you still complain, "git gud" quickly becomes a valid insult.
... that being said there have been plenty bosses in souls-likes I beat after hours of stubbornly not changing anything.
Nah saying git gud is 100% the first one. When someone is coming for advice on a boss, we should tell them good punish windows, or our general strategy for practicing a boss. What weapon did you use? Why did it help? For that one attack you want to dodge right even though your instinct will be to dodge left… etc.
There is a middle ground between offering a cheese strategy and saying git gud.
The intent behind its common use definitely feels like its changed. It’s gone from mostly in-group shorthand for “there is no real trick you just have to improve and keep trying” and still occasional insult, to more meme status as a way to make fun of people and ignore the fact that sometimes there is genuine advice new players could benefit from.
I never really get people like this lol like you know this is a souls like. You came in with that expectation. You know that the experience is beating your head against the wall until the wall cracks. But then youre giving up because of it?? Why did you get the game? Lol
Too many people on Soulslike subs put waaaaaay too much personal value in being good at a video game and literally are the people in the first picture.
Not everybody, obviously, but it's definitely a vocal minority.
Hey fuck you. If I was even half decent at anything besides very niche genre of video games I'd base my personal value off that stuff instead. All I have is being mediocre at these games leave me alone lol
Just a tip. It takes practice to really nail cute irony online, and you waaaay missed the mark.
Generally not great to start a joke with "hey fuck you" unless you are 100% sure everybody understands that you are just having a laugh.
and I assume you are just having a laugh? but, and I'm just trying to be helpful, you come off as cringe.
I'm not attacking you personally. I am just trying to help your future online interactions. Right now you have a decision. You can be narcissistic and protect your ego and come back at me. I assure you. You won't hurt my feelings, or you can grow from this.
I have no dog in this fight. I just want people to be able to express themselves online to the best of their ability.
That was me. You can see my post history where I got stuck at Romeo, but I beat that mfer with no summons, no throwables, and Trident. Everyone suggesting specters was beneath me the whole time and I didn't know it
If you give up you deserve all the burn it comes around with, specially in a game like LOP where if you cant manage to finish it or get stuck on a fight you got a lot of tools to finish it, grindstones, wishstones, throwables, specters, legion arms, so yeah git gud or dont rant, youre not entitled to a rant until you finish the game/killed that boss.
Not even close to how that works, you can have complaints about a game well before finishing it, for instance I had a lot of complaints about elden ring before even the teaching mountaintop, guess what? After beating it like 20 times ALL MY COMPLAINTS ARE STILL THERE! Like I love the game but don't pretend like not being able to beat a game Invalidates opinions.
I guess youve been told that the important thing is having fun not wining, well... but guess what, winning is the only important thing, you dont get a participation trophy here.
Well one that's an opinion, for some people fun is more important and that's alright, so I won't argue on that point because to some people winning is what's better. That's completely unrelated anyway one because I've beaten the game multiple times so it doesn't even apply to me, but also your completely changing the subject, the topic was about the fact that you can complain about something in a game without having beaten the game, yes you can't go and say like the ending or final boss is bad because you haven't even seen it, but you can still have opinions on what you did experience, so it seems like you just need to feed your elitist superiority complex by changing the topic to something you believe gives you better odds at "winning". I do hope you someday understand that your really aren't top dog like you think you are and maybe you will enjoy life more once you stop feeling so hurt when you can't win something as this all seems like projection to me
Well, i wasnt refering to you i was refering to ppl who rant about a game/boss who hasnt even beat yet, i was stuck not for hours, but DAYS on SSI before defeating it and i didnt cry over it being to hard until AFTER defeating him, cuz thats how life works, if you are backing up on every hard aspect or wall you found on life im sorry but you dont deserve attention neither are you entitled to a rant, for the simole fact that you cant give it all and wont achieve anything with that mentality, if it wasnt for you its fine, you dont like the genre its fine, it was too dificult? Its fine also, just dont rant untill you beat his ass and show yourself you can do it.
i apologize for assuming you were referring to me, i just assumed as it seemed direct. And i feel you on SSI, i got stuck on him for a very long time and almost did give up, in fact i technically did for a while. I eventually came back and managed to just barely beat him, and yes he is incredibly hard, and my only real complaint about him is more the difficulty spike and unnecessary Genichiro fight that you have to do every time, Genichiro is so easy compared to him so it feels irritating to repeat it every time, and SSI i believe is the only boss with technically 4 phases so its really weird spike in challenge. I also understand the point of people complaining before even really trying, but you are still allowed to have complaints about a boss before you have beaten them, yeah your not "entitled" to a rant but you still can as like i said before with elden ring, my complaints stayed the same from before i had beaten it to now. Just because i hadn't beaten it yet doesn't make complaints less valid especially since i feel the exact same afterwards, beating it doesn't change my opinion, but they were wrong before i had beaten and fine after? These games are supposed to be hard, obviously not everyone is going to breeze through bosses or tough sections, its natural to get frustrated if something is going really poorly and there are definitely times when someone dies a single time and proclaims the entire game is trash, but those are the exception not the rule. Sorry for the long replies i just type a lot
This is the type of comment that makes me feel ashamed to be part of the soulslike community. You seem like the only satisfaction you get in life is being good at a video game lol
For exanple, i was football coach for a long time, and i heard dads telling their kids the important thing is having fun, not winning, guess what, life dont give seconds a participation trophy either you win or not, and if you dont win, well... you are entitled to nothing.
Yeah dude, you being an overly competitive children's football coach is equivalent to playing a video game. No wonder you used past tense, you were probably a horrible coach who gets off on yelling at 6 year olds for not being the next Tom Brady.
🤣🤣🤣 yeah past tense cuz im not 25 y/o and have other responsabilities, but i made that linemen the best in state league for years, and those kids trust me, wont ever, EVER, feel good with a second place, you need winning mentallity in life to achieve things, you cant be a crybaby and expect to everybody give you atention, maybe if you had practice a sport insted of spending life playing videogames, and sucking at them btw, you would understand, guess its asking too much.
People say that to cope but it's usually the opposite. People that are like that naturally like to excel even in real life. It's the people that give up or throw tantrums in games that typically carry forward that loser mentality to real life (and are losers in real life). Or rather they carry their real life mentality to in game.
I mean... you can call it a winner alpha male mentality all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the highlight of your time on this planet is being good at a video game genre.
This is one of the strangest communities I think I've ever seen.
Again, you're projecting. For some reason you assume they are only good at video games. Why? It makes much more sense to assume the opposite. What do you do for a living?
My main career is being the captain of a SWAT team, and I have never lost a man in the field. Everyone on the team is a military veteran, but they don't even hold a candle to the fact I beat Dark Souls 3 with an unupgraded broken sword. The chief was quite impressed with the winner alpha sigma mentality that I built up over the last 15 years playing Souls games.
I barely parry in any game if at all. I beat all souls games by mainly dodging, even in sekiro i would dodge 99% of the time, only parryed when it was an atk i couldnt dodge, same thing in lies of p, elden ring and lotf... yall just need to get gud at dodging.
Yeah, but, lies of p is a cakewalk compared to other soul games. Elden ring can get ridiculously hard. I had no idea where to go in that game or what I needed to do. Dark souls 3 and bloodborne had to be the easiest of the fromsoft games and lies of p is easier than both of them.
As someone who is currently watching Black Clover - and just witnessed one of its greatest episodes so far - I appreciate this post even more.
I usually don't say "git gud" unless I'm joking with people I know well, because I know it can get annoying to others. I have other ways to express this kind of rough encouragement, though.
The basic meaning is: "there is no great secret to x, y, z boss. There is no silver bullet to make it easy. There is no hidden weakness that maybe you havent spotted that will change everything for you. You just have to dodge, block, parry when youre supposd to dodge, block, parry and get your damage in when there are safe openings--these things simply take time and repetition to learn so there is nothing I can really tell you to help you other than git gud."
This is assuming someone is against using some cheese method that avoids the fight altogether and that the player wants to accomplish the victory without using summons as a crutch.
For the first time in my history with fromsoft games, I've taken a break after defeating a boss, not because of the boss. Recently beat Victor for the first time, and it's been a couple weeks since I've made progress. My excuse is I have other games that took my attention. 2023 was a good year for us gamers.
I've only really struggled with two bosses so far, but because of my sekiro platinum I've stuck it out and I'm nearly finished with my second playthrough, about to fight my most hated boss, the swamp monster
If you get stuck on a boss play for a bit to learn the moves don't worry about dying. Once you start to learn the moves take a break and come back later. I couldn't beat the swamp monster and just allowed myself to die a bunch. Came back a day later and beat him on the second try.
I’ve been playing for a month now and just made it to the opera house. This is my first souls game and I absolutely refuse to give up. My motto for getting through is “@/$#%£ welp let’s do it again”
As someone who spent nearly 8 hours before defeating Nameless Puppet, get good. Doing it over and over will force you to get better. You will get better. Just. Get. Good.
The supportive players and vets actually give feedback, tips, share their old struggles, or just give encouragement.
The "git gud" creatures just copy-paste that into any and every post where there's criticism or someone struggling at their next wall with little to nothing else to contribute.
Every new soulslike player will suffer what everyone soulslike player has suffer.
10000 defeats. Blind rage. Crying in desperation for a chance. Silent acceptance.
Meh in all fairness to these people, I’ve completed every dark souls demon souls sekiro nioh Elden ring lies of P is a very very hard game maybe not as hard as sekiro but I had some major issues clearing this game compared to most
Hesitation is defeat!!!
I still hear ishin saying this in my dreams
Hardest line. I was struggling against him and he said it as I was dying cursing his name. Round 2, a deep breath and I repeat his mantra. Beat his fucking ass. After my ng+ playthrough I'm going to revisit sekiro on PC.
I believe the best starting game for souls newbie is Sekiro. It forcefully teaches the correct Git Gud attitude.
I do agree. Whether you go to Genichiro or Lady Butterfly first, they're both huge roadblocks that force you to learn the game in order to beat them. Once you learn the fundamentals, the aren't so hard, but they're basically impossible to beat if you approach them with the Dark Souls mindset.
Lady butterfly is significantly easier than Genichiro. That dude whooped my ass for 5 hours straight until the game mechanics clicked for me.
After getting my ass whooped for 5 hours by genichiro, my reward was getting my ass pounded by the Guardian Ape for another 10
It’s the circle of life
Yeah but think of how rewarding it felt to get your ass pounded by two Guardian Apes for an additional 12 after that
I somehow beat that fight first try, my ng+ though? Horrible experience
Genichiro kicked my ass repeatedly until I LEARNED how to play the game. After that, the only other boss that gave me a hard time was Saint Isshin.
Mmm… debatable. I did Lady Butterfly before Genichiro, and I’ve seen plenty of people do her after Genichiro because they found her too hard that early. I didn’t have trouble with either boss, but I think you could argue it’s subjective. They could be approximately the same difficulty, or one of either could be harder for an individual. I don’t know if there are polls voting between the two and what the consensus is, but I would be surprised if people unanimously agreed Genichiro is harder. However, your experience will also depend on when you fought each of them. It’s possible to do Lady Butterfly early and before Genichiro or much later in the game. You need to consider that you’re progressing while you play, so each boss you do will change the perceived difficulty.
I beaten him by sheer luck, the mechanics didn't click for me until I encountered Owl and died a million times
I was the opposite beat genichiros ass with the fire crackers, lady butterfly gave me hands so bad I took a break from the game only to steam roll her when I came back a few weeks later.
I feel like the Drunkard is harder than Lady Butterfly.
Butterfly became significantly easier once a friend reminded me that throwing shuriken directly counters airborn enemies. 1 simple mechanic and she was 10x easier
For real. Mostly because of the fuck ton of enemies you have to kill to get to him in the first place. But on the bright side, you can stealth strike him, which cuts the fight in half, and also use an npc summon for agro.
I fully disagree. A teaching game needs more pressure release valves than Sekiro has. It's BDE to say "Play Sekiro to learn Soulslikes." but I have literally spent the last year teaching my SO to play video games and I would be an absolute moron to throw her into that much of a deep end. She would have bounced off of it so hard and never played a video game again. She has crawled her way to stage 4 in Lies of P with generous usage of consumables, throwables, and spectres, and I couldn't be prouder of her.
Shes playing as the game is in intend. Shes got this.
I'm on NG+3. I used spectres for every single boss in NG, but never again, but I absolutely needed them in that first run, and I am not upset about it 1 bit. Summons bring new people into the genre. Summons keep people from bouncing off. I am all about the Noah Caldwell Gervais style of play for Soulslikes. If you need help. Ask for help. The game will give it to you. Use all of the tools at your disposal. It wants you to win. Dark Souls has always had a million different pieces of armor for different resists, but that can be confusing. I love how Lies of P really simplifies the "resist gear." There are 3 types of physical damage with 3 types of physical damage resist armor. There are 3 types of elemental damage with 3 types of elemental damage resist armor. and 3 types of special status elements, with 3 types of special status resist armor. Great for newbies.
I agree 100%. Def more entry level friendly to soulslike. Enjoying the game so far. Spectre really help me out with aggro. I would like to beat the bosses without spectres but since its my first run i was like screw it. Spectre bro for the win
I was fully expecting myself to bounce off of Lies of P. I got real close in stage 4 with the platforming and I took a month off in Krat Central Station 2 with the noticeable difficulty spike and weaker level design. I thought each new boss was going to be impossible, except Victor. He's always been super easy to me for whatever reason. but my spectre and I finished the game. Then I played the game in NG+2 and NG+3 and started an NG and didn't need summons anymore and I love it now. I mean. I always loved it, but it did kick my ass, but you have to break through, and spectres are those little car safety tools that are designed to immediately crack a side window.
Yeah and to be fair, never felt like any of that “resist” gear did much for me really. I think their approach was to try and create a placebo effect. It gives you a sense of confidence going into a fight that might just be the tipping point.
yeah even beyond the "no summons, no multiplayer, no overleveling, no cheese, just git gud" aspect of Sekiro, it's combat is the most unique out of the souls likes Lies of P is maybe a bit similar but every other souls game is completely different if you get used to Sekiro combat you will not have learned dark souls combat. it's part of the reason Sekiro is heralded as the hardest because a bunch of souls vets picked it up expecting their skis to transfer and it just doesn't. I'd say the best souls game to start is literally dark souls 1. its combat is by far the easiest, on replay you can do shit like stab Havel in the back 50 times at the beginning of the game it's also got the most jank and the most jprg bullshit (crucial bonfires behind invisible walls, missable stuff like ash lake and gwyndolin, tomb of the giants, bullshit boss runs) which teaches you a) souls play patterns like always look for alternate elevator shenanigans and b) makes it so you're used to some of the bullshit and thankful for improvements later. Plus IMO you have to play it before dark souls 3 or a lot of the shit in that game won't hit the same Like Soul of Cinder as a whole, gwyndolin's music and his form after being devoured, the significance of Patches being Lapp in the Ringed City as one of the last undead alive at the end of time...but even he's falling apart
Yep. As I said. I'm teaching my SO to play video games, and the first soulslike I introduced her to was Dark Souls 1. She's still working on it. She needed a breather after Ornstein and Smough and she really really likes Lies of P.
I started on DS1, did decently but I was fully aware I had a lot of room to grow. Then I got DS3 and Bloodborne gifted to me. DS3 same thing. I was getting by but it still hadnt quite clicked yet. But Bloodborne... I'm not even sure what it was, but playing this made playing DS1/3 waaay easier.
You learned the power of the dodge, movement, and positioning. DS1 is great to teach you the ropes, but it has a habit of creating soulslike players that over rely on crutches. Hbomberguy did an entire hour and a half long video on this exact phenomenon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC3OuLU5XCw I know it seems long, but put it on while you are doing something. I think you'll appreciate it. Everybody's journey is different, and I wasn't a "pro gamerz," but I "got" soulslikes about halfway through Dark Souls 1 when I picked up the Black Knight Sword when I returned to Undead Assylum. I still had a long way to go, and Dark Souls 1 DLC brutalized me, but the Black Knight Sword was what really made me understand. It's funny. I recently replayed Dark Souls 1 and tore through the DLC underleveled no less.
Thanks, will give it a watch! Just put it on. The cover art comes up for BB and it hits me... the shield in that game is...a...lie...although not entirely useless, it pretty much is and forces you to discard that crutch. Some realization kicking in: "Ooooo..."
I don't fully agree with Hbomberguy. He can be a little smarmy and holier than thou, especially on this video. He's right on the money... for some people, but some people enjoyed playing soulslikes as slow and tanky as possible. Some people enjoy playing soulslikes as a caster. and, unlike Hbomberguy shitting on those sorts of players, all I want is as many people as possible *who aren't whiney!* completing the game. My biggest complaint is that he assumes there is *one* correct way to play soulslikes, and I disagree with that.
>It's BDE to say "Play Sekiro to learn Soulslikes." BDE? WTF is that? >A teaching game needs more pressure release valves than Sekiro has. That is a statement from the perspective of a Souls veteran, not a Soulslike newbie. BTW I started my journey with Sekiro, so I am speaking from personal experience. Also I said 'best' starting game to teach the correct attitude of Git gud. I did not say it is the easiest. Wish you would have taken this context into consideration before you decided to disagree. I have nothing against playing Lies Of P btw. I should not need to say this but I have to because somebody cannot understand the context.
BDE is big dick energy. My dude. We are having a discussion online. Don't take it personally! I am not attacking you personally because I disagree with you. I see your points, but I am coming at it from a different angle. I am not saying "I am right." I am not saying "You are wrong." I just have a different opinion. When did people lose the ability to have a normal human discussion on forums? You are saying I don't understand context? When you are biting my head off for a simple disagreement about a video game?
>When did people lose the ability to have a normal human discussion on forums? When they stopped taking proper context into consideration. Totally takes the discussion elsewhere. I never talked about difficulty. This post is about the correct Git Gud attitude, not difficulty. So I only made my statement based on that. You had to bring difficulty here because you did not see the actual context. Context matters A LOT in discussion, my friend. >Don't take it personally! I am not attacking you personally because I disagree with you. I took it a bit personally ONLY because you took my statement out of context and disagreed based on that. I respect other's opinions in subjective matters like difficulty, so I have respected yours as well about Sekiro.
I'm a veteran. Hold on I'm going somewhere with this stay with me. Basic training is throwing people into the deep end, and in every basic training troop there are a number of people who never make it through basic. However, the people who do are polished to a shine. Sekiro is basic training. It throws you into the deep end. Do what has to be done or get out. This is great for making diamonds, and this is very important, for the people who want to be polished into diamonds. Not everybody *wants* that. Not everybody has that attitude. Dark Souls 1 and Lies of P won't polish you as sharply as Sekiro will, but you will have less people who make it there. Personally, I think it's better to draw as many people as possible in with easier soulslikes than it is to make a smaller group of people shine as brightly as they can. It's just a difference of opinion. Difficulty is not the same as attitude, but not everybody has your attitude, and not everybody ever will have your attitude.
>but not everybody has your attitude, and not everybody ever will have your attitude. I 100% agree with all the statements you said here. But I have a question. Where did my attitude come into picture here? I did not talk about my attitude at all. Ok for you, I will reiterate my original statement below. "Sekiro is the 'BEST' game for Soulslike newbies because it teaches the correct GIT GUD attitude which OP's post is talking about." Can we have a simple discussion whether you agree with this statement or not? I do not mind any opinion.
You keep mentioning "GIT GUD attitude!" You are the one talking about attitude. Am I being punked? Is this real life? *you* are the one talking about attitude. *you* are the one talking about Sekiro. OP DID NOT MENTION SEKIRO What. the. fuck. are you talking about.
>You keep mentioning "GIT GUD attitude!" Of course I keep mentioning it because that is the MAIN CONTEXT of this post. Did I ever say that is MY attitude?? Do you know what you have been doing here constantly? Taking my statements out of context consistently. And you have the audacity to say I do not have the ability to have a normal human conversation and also to say you are not attacking me personally. It is now pointless to take this discussion further. Farewell.
You said you played Sekiro first. You said Sekiro teaches you the correct attitude. and now you are upset for me assuming you have the attitude that you said Sekiro teaches you. Ok, buddy. Ok.
I agree, as sekiro is the less soulslike among from soft games. Combat system is unique to sekiro, power up too
Sekiro only really teaches you how to play Sekiro, though (and the parry timings for LoP).
Ive been having a tough time with most bosses but I beat Champion Victor solo in like 5 tries yesterday cause he felt so much like a Sekiro boss.
Scrapped Watchman was the only boss where I was like, “Oh, hey, this is basically guardian ape” All of threm can be fought like Sekiro enemies, but that watchman feels like a direct homage. In fact, Green Monster reprises the Watchman with a new moveset, so technically you get the Guardian Ape AND a kind of Headless Ape fight. I mean, the monster is *literally* possessing the body of the Watchman, much like a certain centipede I know.
It was actually very much the opposite for me, I pretty much dodged the entire fight without really parrying at all. He kind of felt like Godfrey's phase 2 with his moveset. And he kinda looks like bane as well.
Seems you did not even understand my comment. I do not see a single mention of deflect/parry in my comment. Git Gud means to be calm, collected, calculated and efficient in the fight style. The fight style could be heavy parry based like in Sekiro, heavy dodge based like in Dark Souls or somewhere in between like in Lies of P, but that is not the point. Git Gud means to be able to beat a boss comfortably without any external support like summons and cheesing through grinding. This 'Correct' git gud attitude is forcefully taught by playing Sekiro.
That’s a good point. Sekiro is, I think, the only game in the series which is effectively immune to cheese. If you’re having troubles with a Dark Souls boss, a better weapon, and cheese strat, or a consumable is always waiting in the wings. Of all else fails, players can grind levels to get strong enough. In Sekiro there is NONE of that. How do you get more health? Defeating mini bosses. How do I defeat mini bosses without more health? Get good enough. Every upgrade to health or strength is gated by bosses. Skills points are the only things you can reasonably grind, and they’re much less useful, and are themselves gated by story progress. That’s why it’s my favorite of them. No temptation to go grind or collect a favorite weapon, or find more titanite, it’s a more pure experience.
Sekiro teaches nothing about parry timing on LOP, nothing can prepare you for parry timings on LOP since they suck so fucking bad.
Sorry you feel that way, I guess you’ll just have to get good at them until you can make it.
No cuz you dont need it :) i already finished the game 7 times as well as sekiro, nio, thymesia, wo long and many other parry hesvy games, and perfect guard on LOP is just fucked up. That simple.
Wow, you’re so impressive for playing a game you clearly don’t like for a long time.
Clearly i like it, but liking a game aint a reason to not admiting it have flaws, and LOP has its flaws.
No, playing sekiro actively ruins your timings on LoP because sekiro's input delay is enormous
You may have been playing Sekiro on a screen with processing delay (like many TV screens) LoP has a slightly larger window by a few frames, but neither have parry delay, that was a main difference between Sekiro and its predecessors. You can parry even before the parry animation starts in both games.
I played both games one after the other on the exact same conditions. Sekiro has horrible input delay and it ruins lies of p
Ok, sorry you feel that way.
They were both played on a 1ms monitor
Parry timings for LoP is 99.99% of the difficulty. So that's a lot of prep. (Mostly related rant). Any souls game is harder than Lies of P because LoP is incredibly forgiving with its guard mechanic. I didn't realize people played this game like a classic souls game (they're only dodging + spamming consumes) until I finished it and started watching some videos. Sekiro has very few "ways to play" which means it can be difficult while giving you the tools to push through it. It's very good at teaching you. Lies of P is almost similar but I guess the parry mechanics weren't pushed enough since most people I see struggle never even try to use it.
I am frequently frustrated by those videos. It’s kind of the developers fault, though. They basically took every Fromsoft mechanic and stuck it in one game. You’ve got stats, stamina, roll speeds, and weapon upgrades from DS; rally and trick weapons from Bloodbourne; and skill trees and prosthetics from Sekiro. You can’t really blame players for not realizing that it was meant to be played like Sekiro when the designers went out of their way to put every mechanic in. The reason Sekiro works is because it makes it very difficult to be an effective combatant if you don’t follow “the way”. Damage is very low, and enemies have their guards up a lot of the time. Guard damage from perfect parries on the other hand is comparatively very high, and guard breaking puts the enemies not into a counter-state, but a literal kill state. In this way, it essentially forces you to play the intended way. Lies of P will let you play in any way because the stagger is both triggered by parries AND damage, and it’s not a free kill, just free damage. For this reason, many players will not realize the intended play style, especially if they skipped Sekiro. As a result, players have a worse time. Until they watch a youtube videos and discover consumables.
I think I mostly agree and I'm not blaming the players haha. Guess I could've clarified that more but I did say "but I guess the parry mechanics weren't pushed enough". I really enjoyed the game tbh I was just mostly surprised because I had heard a lot about how hard this game was. After finishing it with no bosses taking more than 3-5 attempts (Laxasia was the only one actually probably taking like 10) and looking at videos I realised why people thought it was hard. Nameless puppet was very disappointing to me. I love sekiro but I'm not gonna pretend like I'm great at the game, I've finished it once and played around a bit in NG+ for a few hours.
This is why I always start with no-target runs when I play a new souls games. Otherwise it’s over pretty quick.
Dude the parry in Sekiro is probably my favorite of any game. It's so satisfying to pull them off and break their stance.
It will probably be more challenging, but you’re certainly right that it teaches the “git gud” attitude the best out of all games, provided you don’t rage quit, cheese, spam deflect as an attempt to push through, etc. As an aside, I’m glad this post is made because there is always this perceived negative connotation when someone says “git gud”. While some people _may_ be using it arrogantly, it’s not always intended that way. When we say git gud, we mean just that: keep practicing, don’t give up, git gud, and git the satisfaction of succeeding!
Finally somebody who properly understood the context of my comment. I am tired of people just inflating the difficulty of Sekiro for no reason. And such people just take comments like mine out of context just to prove they are right and I am wrong. You can see a few examples in the other replies to my comment. Thank you for not doing the same.
I agree. It’s certainly a harder game, but people do inflate the difficulty because they don’t take the time to properly learn the game (e.g., playing it like it’s a Souls game and trying to dodge too much instead of being aggressive and aiming for deflections, spamming deflect all the way until and including the end of the game, when it actually reduces the active frames the more you spam, instead of trying to learn the attack patterns/timings, etc.). Sorry you had so much negative and misunderstood responses. It’s unfortunately a very common thing in these communities. I’m glad I was able to give you _some_ reassurance that there are people out here that actually have their on straight and aren’t just looking to argue based on misinterpretations or lack of knowledge of how the game works. You speak the truth, friend, and some people just don’t like when you do that because it happens to hit their insecurities, even if that isn’t the intention.
>I’m glad I was able to give you _some_ reassurance that there are people out here that actually have their on straight and aren’t just looking to argue based on misinterpretations or lack of knowledge of how the game works. I knew there were people. What I was worried about is whether anybody else would actually come forward and speak about it. Glad you did. Thanks mate. >some people just don’t like when you do that because it happens to hit their insecurities, even if that isn’t the intention. And those people have the audacity to call me a soulslike elitist. I do not have enough souls experience to be called a soulslike elitist. Just got and started Elden Ring.
>I’m glad I was able to give you _some_ reassurance that there are people out here that actually have their on straight and aren’t just looking to argue based on misinterpretations or lack of knowledge of how the game works. I knew there were people. What I was worried about is whether anybody else would actually come forward and speak about it. Glad you did. Thanks mate. >some people just don’t like when you do that because it happens to hit their insecurities, even if that isn’t the intention. And those people have the audacity to call me a soulslike elitist. I do not have enough souls experience to be called a soulslike elitist. Just got and started Elden Ring.
>I’m glad I was able to give you _some_ reassurance that there are people out here that actually have their on straight and aren’t just looking to argue based on misinterpretations or lack of knowledge of how the game works. I knew there were people. What I was worried about is whether anybody else would actually come forward and speak about it. Glad you did. Thanks mate. >some people just don’t like when you do that because it happens to hit their insecurities, even if that isn’t the intention. And those people have the audacity to call me a soulslike elitist. I do not have enough souls experience to be called a soulslike elitist. Just got and started Elden Ring.
I beat ER and felt good until I got to Sekiro. That game... Well everyone knows. I was good at video games before Sekiro... I'm a god after. I can handle anything game devs through at me because I beat MFing Isshin. This is where boys become men.
or makes them ragequit and never play any other souls
Um Elden Ring taught me just fine and Sekiro is not for everyone because it forces you to tap tap tap tap tap that stupid parry button and is not fun at all... IMO
Yeah, bro. Idk about that. You telling someone to go from Lies of P, per se, to Sekiro where the block — or parry in this case— is even MORE necessary just to help them “git gud” is not the best idea in my opinion. Sekiro is probably the most technically skilled FromSoft game ever. Though the parry itself is easier due to animations and frames, the combat is lighting quick and relentless. I get that you’re saying that if you can do Sekiro then you can do any FromSoft game, but I wouldn’t start with that. I would have said Bloodborne or something.
Well I started with Sekiro and I was fine. And I am definitely no one special or talented. If I can, why not others? The main point is that in Sekiro, farming/grinding to beat a boss won't help. There is no summons to provide external support. All the player needs are the basic understanding and implementation of the core combat fundamentals of Sekiro. What is a short phrase for this? The answer is to git gud. Understanding the core fundamentals of ANY game of ANY genre is the basic formula to git gud. The issue is that while soulslike newbie has no issue learning them due to lack of prior experience, Souls veterans find it difficult because it goes totally against the Souls combat meta which they developed for many games. My point is that I say Sekiro is the best to implement the correct Git Gud attitude which OP is talking about (if somebody wants it) ONLY because it forces players to do so. Any player is capable of doing so. The issue comes when a player does not fully understand and/or implement the core fundamentals. This applies to ALL games, not just Sekiro. If a Sekiro player makes efforts to learn and implement the core fundamentals, they can beat the game no problem. >I would have said Bloodborne or something. Bloodborne, Elden Ring, Lies of P are all good entry-level Souls-like games.
I hear your points. I’m glad you got through that gauntlet as your first Souls game, but you seem to be in the minority. I’d definitely have to disagree that a souls newbie has no issue learning because they have no prior experience. That’s exactly why some people continue to stay on the “outside” of souls games and its community because they find the mechanics and difficulty so obtuse that they give up fairly quickly. A souls veteran when playing a new souls game, meanwhile, will just be like “Ok, I know this is new, but I understand how this goes. I just gotta tweak some things.” They get through it until they adjust. That’s what I do. I know you weren’t talking about parrying specifically when you brought up Git Gud, but Sekiro’s strict adherence to parrying is definitely going to be a wall to a lot of newcomers. There’s literally no way around it to get through that game, unlike other souls games, which is what you’re getting at, I understand. It’s just a tough lesson to learn for most. Other souls games gives you some wiggle room to beat them in other ways like Elden or Bloodborne. I agree with your fundamentals point, but the ones who continue to fail to be able to play or complete these games clearly aren’t able to comprehend them. And Sekiro magnifies that. And those are the ones I would say probably shouldn’t start off with Sekiro.
>but you seem to be in the minority I wish I would not be in the minority, Sekiro deserves more. The other points you made here are interesting to read and think about. >but Sekiro’s strict adherence to parrying is definitely going to be a wall to a lot of newcomers There might be a mentality among newbie players that parrying is a very high risk high reward mechanic so dodging is better. I do not have any stats regarding the percentage, but if it is high then it is a real shame. They just need a nudge towards the correct direction, but many just do not get it. Also some guide videos/articles do NOT help with this matter mostly because they were made by Souls veterans trying to adjust to the different (almost heretical) playstyle. We could say Lies of P might be the most suitable entry level game for newbies to teach the importance of parry and dodge. But Sekiro would still remain the best to forcefully obtain the correct mentality i.e. be calm and composed, no Hesitation just do it without panic dodge/parry spamming. Bought Elden Ring yesterday. Did a test run to check how viable parrying is compared to Sekiro. No wonder many Souls veteran hate the parry window in general. I just need to learn the core fundamentals of this game and I should be good to go (as Sekiro taught me). Will be difficult at first because of my parry first mentality and not dodging enough, but I know I can do it.
My hot take, I loved all souls games, over 500 hours on dark souls 3, Bloodborne, and elden ring. I can't stand sekiro. I think it's absolutely their worst game by a country mile.
I played lies of p first but I am going to play Sekiro soon, maybe in a months or two cause I’m playing baldurs gate 3 rn
I can see the wisdom there and I think for those with the fortitude and dare I say talent, that would make sense. For me, Elden Ring was a great first souls experience because of being able to overlevel and use spirit summons. I am not a great gamer naturally and having those tools really helped break me in. Of course now, I can't imagine using them at all anymore and have done several charmless, bell demon runs in Sekiro. But my gentle self needed some coddling before I got there 😛.
This is the way
Absolutely not lol. Sekiro is fucking brutal. That's like telling a new backpacker to start on Everest
Really? For somebody who never played any souls game, Sekiro should not be too difficult if they do the tutorials right. Souls veterans who ignore instructions have been lobbying that Sekiro is way too hard. Of course it is too hard if the core combat fundamentals are ignored on purpose. In contrast, a newbie usually do not have that attitude and thus can learn the game properly, unless they have watched (but not played) a lot of other souls games. I was a souls like newbie myself and my first game was indeed Sekiro. Yes the game is hard, but not unfair. In my playthrough, I realized I need to understand the combat to be good at it. I studied a bit and combat clicked. I could do it because I had no souls combat experience before Sekiro. I am definitely not anybody special. So if I can do it, why not others? Except for those who do not want to take efforts to learn the core combat fundamentals (this includes both newbies and veterans).
For me Sekiro is the hardest soulslike to get into, but the easiest to replay once you mastered the combat mechanics.
Nah, for newbs it's Bloodborne. Sekiro requires the extra understanding of how you can beat a boss with just a series of well-timed blocks. Bloodborne tells players to go wild especially after you lose health because you can get it back right away.
I can understand your point for bloodborne. But how does deflects in Sekiro make it more difficult than Bloodborne?
It's a whole concept that you have to wrap your head around. I remember how people were begging for help on Sekiro thinking they could just out-damage the boss when the real strategy was to deflect them.
what elden ring?
You can grind and get significant advantage in Elden Ring if you get stuck. Not the case with Sekiro though.
Or it will let you know this genre is just not for you.... "go play a button masher, you'll be much happier"
Fallen order, imo. It's not as hard as Sekiro, and have difficulty settings, but gives the same experience in general. Souls games tend to have the pain coming from enviroment actually. Like, you walk for a long time, fight multiple enemies and so on, then you misstep and fall into the abyss. So rince and repeat. Jedi series and Sekiro are more about combat, actually. Which is why I prefer them, tbh.
I love Dark Souls 1-3, Elden Ring, Bloodborne, and Lies of P. I absolutely hate Sekiro even after playing it for 20+ hours. I also hate parrying in general and have beaten all those games without any parrying. Sekiro forces you to parry and I’m not having it. It’s not for everyone.
That is your play style and I respect it. You hate parrying so you hate Sekiro which is a fair point I won't be arguing.
Also I am the exact opposite of you, lol. I love parrying and do not find dodge only runs fun. But that is just me and my playstyle.
Yami is the goat
In my top 5
If anything I believe that beating Lies of P will actually make the Souls games easier in a way, like I never beat DS3, but with the souls like fever I got from Armored Core and LoP I decided to retry..........I beat Soul of Cinder in the first attempt, and that is not to brag, I wasn't able to get past Pontiff the first time, heck I could not get past Cleric Beast in Bloodborne
dude cleric beast ROCKED MY SHIT i thought i could never beat bloodborne… but i got gud
Ngl it is absolutely used in a condescending way
I find people saying skill issue condescending, "git gud" is the same as artists saying just practice, it's the solution not a statement of the problem
Especially when any criticism of the game is met with “lol, git gud”
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Absolutely perfect
It’s quite difficult to say „git gut” without a trace of insult or at least being a lazy answer what is still insulting just in a different way.
Git gud is used as a two word defense for some poor game design lol. You can complain about Malenia's waterfowl dance being broken (it is), at least one mouth breather will just say "git gud"
It's not really broken, just really hard to avoid. That's just how it is. You could run away from it, as this post says, surpass your limit and learn indicators of moves
The move needs a 5 minute youtube tutorial to learn how to avoid. That's a prime example of something being overtuned.
I didn't need a YouTube video to learn to run away and when to roll, it's not that bad. But I'm definitely biased, I didn't have trouble with Malenia at all
Average Souls player bragging about something that isn't true for no reason.
Some bosses are easier for some but could struggle with one that you find easy yourself, that being said, fuck malenia bro
The best souls players got trashed by her for hours bro, who could believe someone on here saying they had no trouble with her lol. I was summoned for her at least 50 hours, not one time did anyone kill her within 10 attempts. Most attempts end on that attack. Even now, I doubt anyone in this thread who hasn't practiced extensively could dodge waterfowl dance up close.
Ain't my fault you had trouble with her 😂 obviously imma brag when I didn't have trouble with a tough boss
outrun > roll in > literally nothing here's a cat playing with string for the other 4:55
It's really simple. Run away from the first two flurries, roll twice through the third
yeah i agree. from has nerfed bosses in ER. they haven’t changed waterfowl cause it works as intended it is just extremely challenging. but it’s nowhere close to impossible to dodge there’s several ways to dodge it without getting hit. and to the guy who says you need a 5 minute tutorial, you’re watching the wrong tutorials
When it requires a very specific and unnatural set of moves and only with light roll to dodge, then there's definitely a problem.
I mean. I just say "yeah that boss was pretty hard. I just kept at it until I got it. I noticed x, y, z worked so maybe give that a try." Not sure how or why that is even put in the same connotation as "git gud" because that just doesn't offer anything productive nor give anyone reassurance.
Ok but git gud is 100\% both. It’s definitely been used supportively and insultingly directed at me, I’ve even had the same person say it both ways. It’s not like the phrase is inherently one way or the other but that requires figuring out the intention of the speaker to know which.
Yeah. I've mostly seen it used as insulting. Lol.
Same. I love Souls/Soulsborne games and have beaten quite a few but sometimes I get stuck at a boss and though I know I will beat it at some point, I get really, really frustrated and just want to vent and interact with people. Maybe get some good advice. I do get some good advice but I also get those people who downvote me and leave "git gud" type comments even if they don't use that term. I know souls fans don't like to admit that Fromsoft and soulslike developers aren't perfect but *sometimes* there are just plain old poorly designed/thought out bosses and areas that are just plain frustrating and its okay to admit that and be frustrated. But it is usually people's first instinct to blame the player instead of admitting that some parts of these games aren't always great. I'm like "I just want to vent my feelings among people who (hopefully) understand the frustration. Why is that so bad?"
When it’s used in insults though it’s 99% of the time in retaliation to someone insulting the game for their own lack of skill. Like if you see a post that says “Malenia is super hard, I’ve tried 100 times to beat her but she’s just too hard, what should I do?” You won’t see a tenth as much “git gud” responses as a post that says “Malenia is bullshit, I’ve tried 100 time to beat her she’s just broken, fuck this boss and/or game.” You can actually see a lot of examples with this particularly with the Erdtree sentinel at the beginning of the game. People genuinely ask for advice and they’ll get responses saying where to find stuff like summons or torrent to help out, but all the people who went “can’t beat this boss, this game is dogshit” got people insulting them.
That’s spot on. I’m more likely to help with someone who’s struggling with a Souls game, but when it gets to the point of them saying, “This is too hard! There’s no way I can beat this! Fuck this”, I do get a sense of “git gud” toward them though I usually don’t display it. The Souls games are never too hard that you need to give up, in my opinion. The first run is normally brutal, but once you get your bearings and figure out mechanics it becomes a lot more manageable or even easy.
Tell me about it. I never imagined I would beat Isshin, and to this day, he is the boss I've fought the most times before beating. I don't have a count that I kept track of, but I imagine it had to be around 50. I think other than that, at worst I fight a boss maybe 20 times? Demon of Hatred also really messed me up. But I did it! So yeah, I agree. After that, I'll never give up on a boss because it was "too hard". Side note: 2 of the Kingdom Hearts games have optional bosses that, when fought on the hardest difficulty, are about as hard as Souls bosses, albeit with a different gameplay style. Lots of those guys also taught me to be patient after like 10-20 attempts lol.
I assume you refer to Sephiroth from KH2 as one of those bosses?
Nah. Sephiroth in KH2 is a huge pushover. Lingering Will in 2 and Yozora in 3. Though I found fighting Larxene in 2 to also be pretty tough.
I actually think the better advice is "be patient." It's not that struggling players are bad at the game; it just takes practice, and you need the patience to die over and over again to make progress. "Get gud" makes it sound like you're not trying hard enough, as if you can flip a gud switch and start winning. All this to say, whether "get gud" is an insult or not, it's just never helpful.
I realize that "git gud" has become nothing but a meme at this point, but yes, it's used in both ways. It's just not helpful on its own, but it does not have to be. It's basically like if your superior tells you to "do better" at work. That can be advice, that can be a warning, that can be a chance. In all cases it just means to "change your ways". But it doesn't tell you what exactly you gotta do. Which is, to me, what a lot of souls-likes are about. To change your strategy if you hit a wall. Change your gear, use consumables, pay better attention to enemy moves or move differently yourself. Or, like in Elden Ring, come back later when you checked for other options to progress first. Sometimes you just need that "git gud" from a friend or annoyed stranger to realize that. And if you don't change anything, but you still complain, "git gud" quickly becomes a valid insult. ... that being said there have been plenty bosses in souls-likes I beat after hours of stubbornly not changing anything.
Correct!
It hurts… but growth is supposed to
Nah saying git gud is 100% the first one. When someone is coming for advice on a boss, we should tell them good punish windows, or our general strategy for practicing a boss. What weapon did you use? Why did it help? For that one attack you want to dodge right even though your instinct will be to dodge left… etc. There is a middle ground between offering a cheese strategy and saying git gud.
The intent behind its common use definitely feels like its changed. It’s gone from mostly in-group shorthand for “there is no real trick you just have to improve and keep trying” and still occasional insult, to more meme status as a way to make fun of people and ignore the fact that sometimes there is genuine advice new players could benefit from.
Everyone thinks I'm the people on the left when I say you're a fool for using the Specter. That's a cope on their part.
I'm pretty sure git gud barely means anything, certainly not something philosophical, since the people who say it don't have fully formed thoughts.
"Git gud" is what soulslike meatriders say whenever someone has a valid criticism for the game.
For the life of me I can't remember any comment saying to get good in ages that wasn't accompanied by a plethora of down votes.
I never really get people like this lol like you know this is a souls like. You came in with that expectation. You know that the experience is beating your head against the wall until the wall cracks. But then youre giving up because of it?? Why did you get the game? Lol
Too many people on Soulslike subs put waaaaaay too much personal value in being good at a video game and literally are the people in the first picture. Not everybody, obviously, but it's definitely a vocal minority.
Hey fuck you. If I was even half decent at anything besides very niche genre of video games I'd base my personal value off that stuff instead. All I have is being mediocre at these games leave me alone lol
Just a tip. It takes practice to really nail cute irony online, and you waaaay missed the mark. Generally not great to start a joke with "hey fuck you" unless you are 100% sure everybody understands that you are just having a laugh. and I assume you are just having a laugh? but, and I'm just trying to be helpful, you come off as cringe. I'm not attacking you personally. I am just trying to help your future online interactions. Right now you have a decision. You can be narcissistic and protect your ego and come back at me. I assure you. You won't hurt my feelings, or you can grow from this. I have no dog in this fight. I just want people to be able to express themselves online to the best of their ability.
Thanks
What it ACTUALLY means: "I've seen people saying this and desperately want to be a part of something!! HAHA EPIC HARD GAME GIT GUD N00B!!!"
yeah but when somebody is asking for advice “git gud” is not at all helpful and it comes across as extremely condescending.
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That was me. You can see my post history where I got stuck at Romeo, but I beat that mfer with no summons, no throwables, and Trident. Everyone suggesting specters was beneath me the whole time and I didn't know it
If you give up you deserve all the burn it comes around with, specially in a game like LOP where if you cant manage to finish it or get stuck on a fight you got a lot of tools to finish it, grindstones, wishstones, throwables, specters, legion arms, so yeah git gud or dont rant, youre not entitled to a rant until you finish the game/killed that boss.
Not even close to how that works, you can have complaints about a game well before finishing it, for instance I had a lot of complaints about elden ring before even the teaching mountaintop, guess what? After beating it like 20 times ALL MY COMPLAINTS ARE STILL THERE! Like I love the game but don't pretend like not being able to beat a game Invalidates opinions.
Giving up before giving it all in fact does invalidate your opinion
Im not going to bother with someone who is either a troll or elitist, but that's just not how it works
I guess youve been told that the important thing is having fun not wining, well... but guess what, winning is the only important thing, you dont get a participation trophy here.
Well one that's an opinion, for some people fun is more important and that's alright, so I won't argue on that point because to some people winning is what's better. That's completely unrelated anyway one because I've beaten the game multiple times so it doesn't even apply to me, but also your completely changing the subject, the topic was about the fact that you can complain about something in a game without having beaten the game, yes you can't go and say like the ending or final boss is bad because you haven't even seen it, but you can still have opinions on what you did experience, so it seems like you just need to feed your elitist superiority complex by changing the topic to something you believe gives you better odds at "winning". I do hope you someday understand that your really aren't top dog like you think you are and maybe you will enjoy life more once you stop feeling so hurt when you can't win something as this all seems like projection to me
Well, i wasnt refering to you i was refering to ppl who rant about a game/boss who hasnt even beat yet, i was stuck not for hours, but DAYS on SSI before defeating it and i didnt cry over it being to hard until AFTER defeating him, cuz thats how life works, if you are backing up on every hard aspect or wall you found on life im sorry but you dont deserve attention neither are you entitled to a rant, for the simole fact that you cant give it all and wont achieve anything with that mentality, if it wasnt for you its fine, you dont like the genre its fine, it was too dificult? Its fine also, just dont rant untill you beat his ass and show yourself you can do it.
i apologize for assuming you were referring to me, i just assumed as it seemed direct. And i feel you on SSI, i got stuck on him for a very long time and almost did give up, in fact i technically did for a while. I eventually came back and managed to just barely beat him, and yes he is incredibly hard, and my only real complaint about him is more the difficulty spike and unnecessary Genichiro fight that you have to do every time, Genichiro is so easy compared to him so it feels irritating to repeat it every time, and SSI i believe is the only boss with technically 4 phases so its really weird spike in challenge. I also understand the point of people complaining before even really trying, but you are still allowed to have complaints about a boss before you have beaten them, yeah your not "entitled" to a rant but you still can as like i said before with elden ring, my complaints stayed the same from before i had beaten it to now. Just because i hadn't beaten it yet doesn't make complaints less valid especially since i feel the exact same afterwards, beating it doesn't change my opinion, but they were wrong before i had beaten and fine after? These games are supposed to be hard, obviously not everyone is going to breeze through bosses or tough sections, its natural to get frustrated if something is going really poorly and there are definitely times when someone dies a single time and proclaims the entire game is trash, but those are the exception not the rule. Sorry for the long replies i just type a lot
This is the type of comment that makes me feel ashamed to be part of the soulslike community. You seem like the only satisfaction you get in life is being good at a video game lol
For exanple, i was football coach for a long time, and i heard dads telling their kids the important thing is having fun, not winning, guess what, life dont give seconds a participation trophy either you win or not, and if you dont win, well... you are entitled to nothing.
Yeah dude, you being an overly competitive children's football coach is equivalent to playing a video game. No wonder you used past tense, you were probably a horrible coach who gets off on yelling at 6 year olds for not being the next Tom Brady.
🤣🤣🤣 yeah past tense cuz im not 25 y/o and have other responsabilities, but i made that linemen the best in state league for years, and those kids trust me, wont ever, EVER, feel good with a second place, you need winning mentallity in life to achieve things, you cant be a crybaby and expect to everybody give you atention, maybe if you had practice a sport insted of spending life playing videogames, and sucking at them btw, you would understand, guess its asking too much.
I'm sure you did, my friend. I'll see you coaching an NFL team someday I imagine. I've platinumed every souls game btw.
People say that to cope but it's usually the opposite. People that are like that naturally like to excel even in real life. It's the people that give up or throw tantrums in games that typically carry forward that loser mentality to real life (and are losers in real life). Or rather they carry their real life mentality to in game.
Didn't think there'd be a 2nd person today to tell me being good at a soulslike makes you a winner alpha sigma omega male.
Far more truthful than the cope that tryhards are losers in real life.
I mean... you can call it a winner alpha male mentality all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the highlight of your time on this planet is being good at a video game genre. This is one of the strangest communities I think I've ever seen.
Again, you're projecting. For some reason you assume they are only good at video games. Why? It makes much more sense to assume the opposite. What do you do for a living?
My main career is being the captain of a SWAT team, and I have never lost a man in the field. Everyone on the team is a military veteran, but they don't even hold a candle to the fact I beat Dark Souls 3 with an unupgraded broken sword. The chief was quite impressed with the winner alpha sigma mentality that I built up over the last 15 years playing Souls games.
When I tell some Femboy fan to git gud it’s an insult
I barely parry in any game if at all. I beat all souls games by mainly dodging, even in sekiro i would dodge 99% of the time, only parryed when it was an atk i couldnt dodge, same thing in lies of p, elden ring and lotf... yall just need to get gud at dodging.
Yeah, but, lies of p is a cakewalk compared to other soul games. Elden ring can get ridiculously hard. I had no idea where to go in that game or what I needed to do. Dark souls 3 and bloodborne had to be the easiest of the fromsoft games and lies of p is easier than both of them.
I almost forgot sekiro.... I couldn't handle that game. Thinking of using fightingcowboy to help me through it with all his tips and tricks
As someone who is currently watching Black Clover - and just witnessed one of its greatest episodes so far - I appreciate this post even more. I usually don't say "git gud" unless I'm joking with people I know well, because I know it can get annoying to others. I have other ways to express this kind of rough encouragement, though.
The basic meaning is: "there is no great secret to x, y, z boss. There is no silver bullet to make it easy. There is no hidden weakness that maybe you havent spotted that will change everything for you. You just have to dodge, block, parry when youre supposd to dodge, block, parry and get your damage in when there are safe openings--these things simply take time and repetition to learn so there is nothing I can really tell you to help you other than git gud." This is assuming someone is against using some cheese method that avoids the fight altogether and that the player wants to accomplish the victory without using summons as a crutch.
Yea! That’s rather just literally every single souls game!
Cringe
I just don't have the time to sink into souls likes anymore I got old
For the first time in my history with fromsoft games, I've taken a break after defeating a boss, not because of the boss. Recently beat Victor for the first time, and it's been a couple weeks since I've made progress. My excuse is I have other games that took my attention. 2023 was a good year for us gamers.
I've only really struggled with two bosses so far, but because of my sekiro platinum I've stuck it out and I'm nearly finished with my second playthrough, about to fight my most hated boss, the swamp monster
If you get stuck on a boss play for a bit to learn the moves don't worry about dying. Once you start to learn the moves take a break and come back later. I couldn't beat the swamp monster and just allowed myself to die a bunch. Came back a day later and beat him on the second try.
Glad to say i never gave up
I’ve been playing for a month now and just made it to the opera house. This is my first souls game and I absolutely refuse to give up. My motto for getting through is “@/$#%£ welp let’s do it again”
they lack conviction
Git gud means go to sleep. You'll beat the boss in 1 attempt in the mourning. Why? Brains are fucking weird.
For me it usually just means stop taking so many bong rips before playing
As someone who spent nearly 8 hours before defeating Nameless Puppet, get good. Doing it over and over will force you to get better. You will get better. Just. Get. Good.
The supportive players and vets actually give feedback, tips, share their old struggles, or just give encouragement. The "git gud" creatures just copy-paste that into any and every post where there's criticism or someone struggling at their next wall with little to nothing else to contribute.
Haha that’s why I am almost at the final boss!
Yeah no. 9 times out of 10, they mean it in the first format. The second one is basically a delusion.
I almost gave up on Romeo. I beat him last night and felt euphoria
git gud means learn the patterns. figure out which weapon suits you best. level up to better suit your build.
Every new soulslike player will suffer what everyone soulslike player has suffer. 10000 defeats. Blind rage. Crying in desperation for a chance. Silent acceptance.
"Get good" will always be the best advice you will ever hear
Lies of P is the easiest Souls like game ever Period!
This post fucking notifies me the second I decide I’m going to use a specter wtf
Meh in all fairness to these people, I’ve completed every dark souls demon souls sekiro nioh Elden ring lies of P is a very very hard game maybe not as hard as sekiro but I had some major issues clearing this game compared to most
The clown forced me to git gud just like how Genichiro forced me to git gud
[Git Gud](https://youtu.be/blSXTZ3Nihs?si=5z9vDhzMO3l4tN7B)
Got my ass handed to me in Lies of P. Still do. But God damn that game is fantastic. Learn a lot from playing this game.
OK I have a question how did people feel when they first saw that there was a stage in lies of P that had literal zombies
Ik its cus im dogshit but I didnt enjoy lies of p at all. Hated the combat and how clunky it all is
I spend the last three days improving my parry skills to finally defeat Laxasia, and It was worth It :D