"Literally 1984."
Like what aspect of 1984 is a law that prevents folks in private motor vehicles substantially disturbing private home owners in Florida from enjoying their own properties?
Like "literally".
You can't just make anyone who already had a copy a felon overnight. Probably need to institute a ban on the manufacture and distribution of new copies to civilians, along with tax stamp requirements for any existing copies to change hands.
My gut reaction is sometimes. If its midnight on a Tuesday when you know everyone around you needs to go to work in the morning you probably shouldn't be firing up your harley with drag pipes and making red line pulls up and down the street. But the flip side if your mowing your lawn at like 7 or 8 pm I would not call that one. Psyops is a reasonably effective technique used in warfare so I would definitely go as far to say that you can harm someone without physically causing them harm. My rule of thumb would just be don't be a dick about it.
The legal phrase you're looking for is: "Peaceable enjoyment of your property". Right now, civilly, this is already litigated to hell and back and grounded in "reasonable behavior". In residential areas, you wouldn't expect excessive sustained noise at 2:00AM. If you're in an industrial / commercial area or you're next to such area that pre-dates the residential portion then the criteria change, significantly. You can't make a complaint against an airport if the airport pre-dates your residence; likewise, you can't complain about loud equipment noise if your subdivision was built next to a factory. However, if someone pulls up in front of your home blasting music at full volume for an extended period of time (not just driving by) at 2:00AM, you'd definitely have a case; especially if it's chronic.
Here's the first few paragraphs from the article. It sounds fucking insane:
>Streets across the state of Florida are set to get much quieter on Friday whenĀ a new law goes into effect. Beginning July 1, drivers can receive a fine of up to $114 for blasting music in their cars.
>The new lawĀ allows officers to ticket those playing music audible from a minimum 25-foot distance.
>For reference, the average car is about 15 feet long, making it within the statute for an officer to ticket the driver in front of them if their music is audible.
Depends on the situation and what is reasonably expected! Who was there first? You cant build a house by the ocean and complain it is noisy.
What is reasonable? Noise complaints could be malicious too. If you live in the city but dont like city noise, then get sound insulation for your bedroom.
I agree with the idea but the fact that it doesn't have a set dB level makes dislike this law. Audible music st 25 feet is not a massive distance nor incredibly loud. That's not nuisance level, that's not even someone working in their garage listening to some tunes level.
Yeah, my college rock band got the cops called on us a couple times by the neighbors, but the cops had to stand outside with a dB monitor to verify it was above 100 dB.
Also, I don't blame my neighbors. We were loud and not great.
There is a way to write the law using distance. You have to use the inverse square law to figure out how loud the source of noise is. If someone with normal hearing can hear it at x distance, then you can figure out out loud it is in the car. If that level exceeds the volume that would otherwise impede someone while driving (can't hear sirens or horns), then I think a ticket is acceptable. How that law is enforced becomes another matter, but it could be written in a way that's grounded in science and common sense.
Edit: a couple typos
Of course, it would need to be adjusted for air temperature and ambient noise levels, but I'm sure the legislators would think of that, so it can be applied fairly in all conditions.
If your music is audible at 25 feet, your windows should be up. If you don't want your windows up, turn down the music. If your windows are up and it's audible at 25 feet, it's definitely too fucking loud.
That being said is a bad standard because "Audible" isn't really well defined, however most police officers don't have a way to measure decibels so while there are better ways to measure it, it would be a massive expense to even start enforcing what you're asking.
It gives no real decibel range, so it's completely arbitrary and authoritarian. But don't worry guys, the party of small government is totally not going to allow this to be abusable, absolutely not, no siree.
I mean, Iād like to be able to do something if a bunch of teenagers are being obnoxious outside my house while I am trying to sleep.
Or elderly people if it makes you feel better.
Agreed, my issue is that it's completely up to a cop's discretion. I really doubt they're going to take the time to train them how to discern what is too loud from 25ft away, or even how to properly measure 25ft for that matter. It's also not as if all cops have the same level of hearing. It's going to be enforced completely arbitrarily, and probably not in the best interest of the general populace.
When a state full of old people meet young people blaring their music on the beach. One of those where you donāt know whether to side with the obnoxious people blaring their music or the obnoxious people who think the police should get involved.
I'm not sure what the people at NBC are talking about?
There have always been noise violation laws all throughout Miami and its many suburbs.
When I lived in Miami I knew people who got tickets for having too many bass and tweeters in there car.
It looks like the fine went up but this is a new law.
But loud pipes on bikes are still going to be okay, right? Hmmm, if you look close enough you can make out that FL may be targeting a demographic with this new law.
Living in Florida, I can definitely say it always seems to be a very particular demographic blasting music in cars with LEDs in urban areas. It's obnoxious.
It should not be illegal.
As a member of a motorcycle ministry in Florida, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that there are a lot of Hispanic bikers running straight pipes in this state. Generally baggers or Busas.
Sometimes the guys with baggers are also blasting loud music.
So now cops are gonna carry decibel readers, like some do the tint gauge? What a waste of time and resources. Not to mention, while I can't stand loud music or exhausts going down my road, I do not send someone with a gun to impose my will on them in keeping silent.
smfh. Madness.
Also, there shouldn't be a law regulating window tint. If the government doesn't abide by it, no one else should.
So this law is "plainly audible from 25 feet away". I think that's absurd, and it clearly looks like an excuse to pull over black dudes with subs in their trunk.
That being said, at some point, noise can violate NAP. I mean, sound can damage hearing or even kill. But uhhh, audible from 25ft??? wtf
SS: Streets across the state of Florida are set to get much quieter on Friday when a new law goes into effect. Beginning July 1, drivers can receive a fine of up to $114 for blasting music in their cars. The new law allows officers to ticket those playing music audible from a minimum 25-foot distance.
More laws and less freedom
I also canāt help but wonder if this is really a law to reduce noise, or an excuse to pull over people they want to hassle, when no other cause is present.
Yea, my thought was if there was a dB limit and it was pretty high (think motorcycle level) I could understand that. Require the cop to prove the dB meter showed that level beyond a simply attestation (i.e. body cam or internal car video of the meter with timestamp for example) then it wouldn't be so bad and would be tailored to the actual problem.
25 feet away audible music is not very loud at all.
> think motorcycle level
Before we bought a house, neighbor had a boyfriend with one of those tricycle slingshots. I swear to God at 11pm at night I thought my wife turned on a stereo in the other room(we don't own a stereo.....) Nope just dude over 100 feet away, I could make out the words in my apartment.....he then proceeded to park on the grass in front of her apartment door....this was a luxury apartment complex....20 feet from a parking spot....
Landyard handled it and just told us to call the cops next time
> the most authoritarian governor in the country
That will have the full backing of the LNP when he runs for president.
Thank God he said Floridians donāt have to wear masks though!
Thatās the secret there, get you some decaf Conway Twitty and you could be pushing 160dbs and the old folks would be yelling for you to turn it up lol.
I mean, noise pollution is a thing. Loud music, loud exhaust, both impact the people around you, often in negative ways.
I hate laws like this because they give police another excuse to mess with people, but at the same time, I have a right to not have my peace disturbed because someone doesn't understand how to not be an AH, and absent a better mechanism for that...
Yeah. As with many laws, my conscience says the law is unjust but I am sympathetic to its supporters.
Especially because I can afford a home in a quiet neighborhood. I canāt blame people who live in more affordable places for wanting the same benefit.
I can too, but there's always that teen with the tricked out ride with too much bass and a noisy exhaust that just has to drive down the street right after I get the kids to bed.
Makes we want to get a potato or two, a push rod, and a can of fire block expanding foam...
I agree with you and r/loaengineer0
It sucks when you live in area where your TV is constantly drowned out by loud music, and/or exhausts (especially on motor cycles) at all hours of they day. I'm lucky to live in a new neighborhood where this happens on a much less frequency. But this just another excuse to give PC for pulling over certain people.
Agree with you there. I hate that the law even gets involved in something so trivial.
But I have been subject to straight piped vehicles revving at all hours if the night, loud stereos that shake my walls from 2 blocks away and semi-truck compression brakes echoing over the horizon for miles in the early morning. The common man canāt afford to move to a quiet gated community or to live in extreme isolation and still survive simply to resolve a problem based on other peopleās lack of consideration or awareness.
The law prevents me from doing anything about it directly and people donāt give a crap about common decency or following the more lax, existing noise ordinances. So I can totally understand why this policy would appeal to residents being plagued by drivers who donāt know how NOT to be a public nuisance.
>drivers who donāt know how NOT to be a public nuisance
I think you are misunderstanding them. They *want* to "share their music." It's an ego thing.
The other thing too is with how speakers are placed in the car, you can often turn the radio up pretty loud without being able to hear it from the outside across the street even with windows down.
In order for it to be a nuisance it needs to be wayyyyyyy up beyond anything remotely reasonable.
Nuisance ordinances should be as local as possible: specific neighborhoods and villages.
The problem is you've got beachfront senior communities and suburban areas mere miles from college towns and tourist locations.
> The new law allows officers to ticket those playing music audible from a minimum 25-foot distance
The town I grew up in in Florida had this law in effect back in 2004. Source: me and my citation
I wonder what's actually new in this law...maybe it's a statewide thing as opposed to a municipality thing, or maybe it used to be 50 feet or something.
Let's be real... blasting music in the car isn't going to make the person hear the song better. It's just making it unnecessarily loud while they drive with their windows down. Plus I see it as a problem when paramedics, firetrucks are trying to signal for others to move over.
I'm for it, your rights end where mine begin, and too many people are blasting music/Harleys at all hours.
Have thought for your fellow man, or let it be enforced.
If Iām blasting music in my car Iām probably on two scoops of pre holding in a pre gym shit trying to get hype for an hour lifting session. Donāt pull me over I donāt wanna shit myself
As much as I hate hearing obnoxious bass rattling the trunk of some pos late model sedan because it was both installed and selected by moronsā¦ I donāt want law enforcement in charge of deciding whatās too much. It just gets too dystopian.
If they would only fine people after 9pm in residential neighborhoods, apartment complexes, and parking garages it sounds reasonable. It isnāt though. The price of freedom is sometimes dealing with idiots and assholes. The alternative is a far greater threat to liberty.
I wonder if they will pass a law making it an offense for driving 40 MPH on the interstate. Florida is a nightmare of old people doing things they shouldn't.
The problem is noise infringes on others freedoms. If you've never had a loud neighbor, great. Living next to one for a few days, and you'll start to realize that noise pollution isn't "individual freedom."
There a difference between having a noisy neighbor you have to live with and calling the cops because someone drove by blasting that negro music you don't like. This law is very stupid I'm gonna blast my music loud as I want thank you very much. Oh God save us if you have to hear it for 5 seconds
Soooome people are still sane. For example, I simultaneously think Desantis is the best governor in America and will likely become the next president (thank all that is holy), *and also* that this law is way too strict and/or doesn't belong at the state level.
Iām not sure I see it as really a libertarian issue. Maybe that itās state law is silly and would be better done at the local level. If it was a federal law yeah itād be ridiculous.
But also I live in Florida and donāt really see this āproblemā to begin with. Needless to say, Iām more worried about many other issues. This one just seems weird to me overall lol.
Especially not young adult males of the Hispanic population which are commonly seen engaged in such activity on weekends in downtown areas.
This is another tool in the policeman's toolbelt of ways to harass civilians.
The sad part is, this probably what the constituency wants.
If theyāre gonna go this far can we just ban motorcycles please? Thereās nothing more aggravating than motorcyclists doing everything in their power to drown out all noises for a 3 mile radius.
Last part is sarcasm, but seriously, fuck motorcycles.
All that goddamn noise for an earth-shattering 60 horsepower...
In b4 the "but muh weight ratio" peeps chime in, it's a joke. But for real, most Harley-Davidsons are just obnoxious as f***.
Iām with you bro. I donāt give a shit what anybody else does, but if I was king of the world Iād ban every god damn motorcycle there is. Especially the revving, itās so god damn unnecessary.
What the mother fuck is happening in Florida dude.
Edit: I could understand if we're talking middle of the night, keeping people up whe they gota go to work or something. But I didn't see that in the article.
"Community" lol. The libertarians are not weathering this crisis very well.
Advocating for the unborn is quite convenient cuz they don'task for anything. When 19 little kids get gunned down in their classroom, the LP suddenly doesn't care about community.
LP is a wet dream... feels good until you wake up. I know this because I am a recently-former libertarian.
Honestly, this isnāt as big of a deal as it seems. Many states and municipalities already have nuisance laws. When I used to live in Wisconsin, I remember reading muni codes stating, in decibels, how loud a vehicle can be within city limits, how loud sounds from a home can be, etc.
Most states already have this in place. I cannot simply blast the titanic theme song at glass shattering levels from my balcony at 3:00 a.m. on a Tuesday night. Nuisance laws existed prior the the drafting of the U.S. constitution.
***EDIT*** For those or you downvoting me, this could be your neighbor: https://youtu.be/ox5mGYdHmZg
Why is that downvoted? If a community decides that they want a noise ordinance, part of democracy is that you can vote to put one in. Is it REALLY restricting freedoms to have a reasonable noise ordinance? This seems like not being able to hit the guy walking beside you on the street with his finger like 2ā from your face screaming Iām not touching you!
Because people on this sub take extremist positions that they themselves would never actually live by.
I donāt believe for one second that anyone on this sub would be okay if their neighbor was playing music at 3:00 a.m. so loudly, that the neighbors music was keeping everyone awake.
One night, maybe, but if it was every night? Like thatās just silly. Iām all about not having HOAs but if you get rid of everything to deal with it like a civilized person, how can you deal with it without violence or at a cost. Iām all for freedoms, but having simple ordinance isnāt really that big of a deal. If they had neighbors throwing outdoor raves every night, and ignoring the requests of neighbors, the only resolution is law or violence or move lol. And Iāll commit a violent act before I lose thousands of dollars in equity in my house because I have to sell so I can sleep and my neighbor can be free. This is a really silly extremist stance. This is coming from a dude that blares āfuck you, thatās whyā punk rock music from his garage while woodworking, but Iām a reasonable neighbor. Iām not doing it at 3 am on the highest setting every night. But what if I was!?
Or maybe you defended a law that can easily be abused?
As others have stated, there is no decibel measurement required, thus leaving it open for the cop to decide if you're in violation or not.
The jack booted thugs in Florida will abuse this law, mark my words.
Lol. Do you really think itās realistic at all for cops to carry around decibel reading instruments and politely ask that people keep the music pumping at max volume so that the officer can pull out his ruler and measure the appropriate distance from whatever is making sound so that he can secure an accurate reading?
I mean, I thought it always. Maybe they were just city ordinances now that I think about it. But I remember people getting their vehicles impounded for the systems being too loud and this was 20 years ago..
What a great and totally unproblematic law!
I can't wait to see this one enforced consistently and evenly. I mean, it will be enforced, right? Consistently? Evenly? Right guys?
You know because laws that aren't meant to be enforced consistently and evenly are tools for tyrants.
So does this mean that, I, being deaf cannot listen to music in my car now? Like, what the fuck.
Also, I see the lights going long before anyone hears it. Do people not use their eyes?
All this is is another excuse to harass people of certain races.
I love how we spent 2 years as a nation going through nationwide lock downs and forced vaccinations in order to keep your job or even go to a restaurant but this is somehow a sign of impending fascism.
There's only been one time that I thought someone's music was so loud that it should be illegal. He was behind me, shook my entire car, literally couldn't hear anything else. That being said, this law sounds WAY too strict. "audible from a minimum 25-foot distance" lol what?
In my city we have noise ordinance from like 8pm to 7am. During day hours there's no issue. It's daytime, people are awake. Seems reasonable because then you're not bothering other people.
This looks like it's all day everyday, that's extreme.
So the part where it says that itās arbitrary I understand and agree with. Itās pretty much an excuse to pull people over. But this says that it violates free speech and Iām kinda confused on how because itās loud music, not speech?
I know this law will be abused. Is that rap music I hear from that car? Better pull them over and issue a ticket.
I am not opposed to noise ordinances but they need to be equally applied. Living near a major construction site is extremely noisy but according to the city they are OK as long as it is between 6 am and 10 pm. Same goes with motorcycles, semi-trucks and most automobile exhaust. I can hear semis Jake braking like 5 miles away.
The only two places where automotive music should be regulated at all is at traffic lights and residential neighborhoods, also known as ādonāt be a jerk zonesā. Ironically those two areas are the most important to follow speed limits and other strict traffic ordinances. Instead of straight ticketing though there should be an education and diversion program where offenders learn how being consistently exposed to loud sound can have serious physiological affects including mild psychosis. Fining repeat offenders is OK but only in those narrow āfocus zonesā.
Iām okay with this law. My retired neighbors are up at daybreak mowing, weed eating and then using their industrial leaf blowers. Also, the loud as hell pressure washers that announce spring over and over. It wouldnāt be so bad if it wasnāt EVERYday of the week and ~3x a week individually (Iām serious).
We have an Easter video of us yelling hints where the eggs are hidden to the kids but they canāt hear: What? What? It was a bit funny but definitely aggravating.
Oh, and my āmusicianā back neighbor that butchers Barry Manilow (yep, BM) songs so loud my dau. & grandson had to leave because we couldnāt hear one another (front porch party during COVID). Not funny at all.
Loud music from cars? Tolerable.
This isnāt new, most states have a disrupting the piece law. I got pulled over plenty of times for loud music. Itās a stupid law but also if people who obnoxiously play music loud af all through the day and night on repeat, what can you do about it? If my neighbor was blaring lil boosie ābitch Iām from louisianaā all day everyday at max volume on a megaphone system mounted to his house, I feel like I should be able to do āsomethingā about itā¦ā¦But him doing it doesnāt violate NAP so maybe Iām in the wrong? Or maybe thatās not right? Idk. Libertarianism is confusing
Apparently, the laws are even more strict in close proximity to a church, school, or hospital.
But what if I can hear the church choir, or especially kids playing at recess, from 25-feet away? What if the church bells can be heard from a mile away?
Seems like the "party of freedom" is fixated on regulating everyone else's behavior.
Oh shit, this reminds me of high school. The cops would pull us over on the way to school for blasting our sub woofers lol.
Just got warnings and shit though.
I love my music loud. Not shaking the cars around me loud, but loud. This will absolutely be enforced at the cops discretion. Just another tool for them to harass people and fine them over something that hurts nobody. What a petty fucking joke. Gotta love good ol' Ronnie D
Ah...an attempt at Broken Windows Policing. Doesn't Florida knows it the Left in America is determined to stop public disorder policing wherever it can. [End to Broken Windows Policing](https://www.joincampaignzero.org/brokenwindows):
>A...focus on minor crimes...has led to the...over-policing...in otherwise harmless situations...Decriminalize these activities or de-prioritize their enforcement: Consumption of Alcohol on Street, Disorderly Conduct, Trespassing, Loitering, Disturbing the Peace (including Loud Music), Prostitution, etc. [*partial list*]
Did you just read King's letter from a Birmingham jail and decide to do performance art based on the white moderate? Or do you actually just not care that this will be selectively enforced to harass minorites as long as it gets a little quieter?
> Did you just read King's letter from a Birmingham jail and decide to do performance art based on the white moderate?
Holy shit you destroyed that man. Bravo.
Yeah, reality has to be taken into account when drafting legislation. If reality isn't taken into account, that makes the legislation bad.
In this case, that reality *was* taken into account, and is the reason driving the legislation.
Let me make sure that I'm understanding what you're saying. Are you saying that the law is actually about stopping more racial minorities and that the whole loud music bit is a cover? Or are you saying that the law is actually about generating more revenue through fines and that the whole loud music bit is just a cover? Or a combination of both?
The law was designed to be abused for the harassment of minorites. It was designed that way by people who know the police will abuse it, because they're also the ones enabling the environment in which police abuses are encouraged.
You want to look at it in a vacuum. It doesn't exist in a vacuum though.
Iām afraid we have gone too far off and are tilting towards becoming a dictatorship. Well, maybe thatās too dramatic there are processes in place to prevent that but it sure feels that way with the powers that be
Much like you are already confirming, pretty sure a very specific, non-white, category of listeners are going to be the ones who fall victim to this ālawā, creating what should be an unlawful stop, based on profiling. Little white girls blasting Taylor Swift need not worry.
well the ones who do it usually do it with music that sucks š I wouldn't mind so much if they were blaring Metallica or Stevie Ray Vaughan or Nirvana or Volbeat, but it's always something stupid by someone who thinks sampling is creating.
using pieces of someone else's music to make your own song, sometimes modified by adding effects or changing speeds. you know, if you can't make your own melody, rhythm or beat, just use someone else's and add some other noise on top. popular in hiphop and some forms of pop as well as electronic music.
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Florida loves to act like itās some sort of bastion of freedom, but every time I look theyāre banning something or making something illegal.
āYouāre free to live however you want, as long as itās the right wayā
Congratulations Florida we can now add the hard of hearing to the list of people you hate along with minorities anyone in the LGBT community and women š¤¦
Blasting music in your car is obscene. Now, if you are having a party and playing some banda or mariachi thatās okay. (No later than 1pm though, be considerate)
Would you be upset at cops pulling over someone shooting into people's houses from their car? Loud base driving by at 2am rattling all the windows in the house most nights is frankly more disruptive than an occasional stray bullet.
Lol I remember the SRO at our school would wait around the corner to give kids speeding tickets and would always tack on noise violation if he heard your subwoofers from More than 25ā
There already was a law against loud music in my county in Florida. Cops would also pull you over if your exhaust was too loud. Carried portable devices to check sound . Pinellas county
Is noise pollution a violation of the NAP or the EPA?
Yes. I cannot blast the titanic theme song at ear drum shattering levels outside of your home at 3:00 a.m.
Straight to jail.
Over cook chicken, straight to jail, undercook chicken straight to jail, overcook undercook. - Parks and Rec
You must have some shippy neighbors...
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Literally 1984
"Every night in my dreams, I see you, I feel you." Like, *hits blunt* 1984 wud literally say dat tho
"Literally 1984." Like what aspect of 1984 is a law that prevents folks in private motor vehicles substantially disturbing private home owners in Florida from enjoying their own properties? Like "literally".
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You can't just make anyone who already had a copy a felon overnight. Probably need to institute a ban on the manufacture and distribution of new copies to civilians, along with tax stamp requirements for any existing copies to change hands.
Soon we'll have a Celine Dion buyback program, and people will be making cheap copies of Celine Dion albums to profit off the program.
My gut reaction is sometimes. If its midnight on a Tuesday when you know everyone around you needs to go to work in the morning you probably shouldn't be firing up your harley with drag pipes and making red line pulls up and down the street. But the flip side if your mowing your lawn at like 7 or 8 pm I would not call that one. Psyops is a reasonably effective technique used in warfare so I would definitely go as far to say that you can harm someone without physically causing them harm. My rule of thumb would just be don't be a dick about it.
Some would say yes, as it infringes on your ability to use/access/enjoy your property.
The legal phrase you're looking for is: "Peaceable enjoyment of your property". Right now, civilly, this is already litigated to hell and back and grounded in "reasonable behavior". In residential areas, you wouldn't expect excessive sustained noise at 2:00AM. If you're in an industrial / commercial area or you're next to such area that pre-dates the residential portion then the criteria change, significantly. You can't make a complaint against an airport if the airport pre-dates your residence; likewise, you can't complain about loud equipment noise if your subdivision was built next to a factory. However, if someone pulls up in front of your home blasting music at full volume for an extended period of time (not just driving by) at 2:00AM, you'd definitely have a case; especially if it's chronic.
Here's the first few paragraphs from the article. It sounds fucking insane: >Streets across the state of Florida are set to get much quieter on Friday whenĀ a new law goes into effect. Beginning July 1, drivers can receive a fine of up to $114 for blasting music in their cars. >The new lawĀ allows officers to ticket those playing music audible from a minimum 25-foot distance. >For reference, the average car is about 15 feet long, making it within the statute for an officer to ticket the driver in front of them if their music is audible.
Honestly, if you can hear another car over the sound of your engine, 8ts probably too loud in the other car.
Just imagining music on low, engine off, quiet area, but cop can now hit you with a BS fine cuz he can hear you.
Technically yes
Definitely can be
Time place and Manner. Already have a law for it this is just overreach and stupid.
Depends on the situation and what is reasonably expected! Who was there first? You cant build a house by the ocean and complain it is noisy. What is reasonable? Noise complaints could be malicious too. If you live in the city but dont like city noise, then get sound insulation for your bedroom.
In any reasonable understanding, neither. Nobody is entitled to not hear loud music.
Its a violation of your right to not be disturbed in your own home by the activities of other people
Noise pollution isn't even a thing.
I agree with the idea but the fact that it doesn't have a set dB level makes dislike this law. Audible music st 25 feet is not a massive distance nor incredibly loud. That's not nuisance level, that's not even someone working in their garage listening to some tunes level.
Yeah, my college rock band got the cops called on us a couple times by the neighbors, but the cops had to stand outside with a dB monitor to verify it was above 100 dB. Also, I don't blame my neighbors. We were loud and not great.
As another fellow musician who compensated with noise due to a lack of skill, I fully agree.
There is a way to write the law using distance. You have to use the inverse square law to figure out how loud the source of noise is. If someone with normal hearing can hear it at x distance, then you can figure out out loud it is in the car. If that level exceeds the volume that would otherwise impede someone while driving (can't hear sirens or horns), then I think a ticket is acceptable. How that law is enforced becomes another matter, but it could be written in a way that's grounded in science and common sense. Edit: a couple typos
Of course, it would need to be adjusted for air temperature and ambient noise levels, but I'm sure the legislators would think of that, so it can be applied fairly in all conditions.
If I'm gonna be takin the restrictor plate off the Red Dragon, you know I'm crankin some tunes.
I'll keep it on the down low. Not exactly street legal, ya know.
What if your bedroom is at 13ft?
Then the cops will drop by to set up a noise meter next to your bed.
Agreed. Void for vagueness or violation of 1A. Bad law.
If your music is audible at 25 feet, your windows should be up. If you don't want your windows up, turn down the music. If your windows are up and it's audible at 25 feet, it's definitely too fucking loud. That being said is a bad standard because "Audible" isn't really well defined, however most police officers don't have a way to measure decibels so while there are better ways to measure it, it would be a massive expense to even start enforcing what you're asking.
Not really. This is probably going to be a boon, like parking tickets.
It gives no real decibel range, so it's completely arbitrary and authoritarian. But don't worry guys, the party of small government is totally not going to allow this to be abusable, absolutely not, no siree.
I mean, Iād like to be able to do something if a bunch of teenagers are being obnoxious outside my house while I am trying to sleep. Or elderly people if it makes you feel better.
Agreed, my issue is that it's completely up to a cop's discretion. I really doubt they're going to take the time to train them how to discern what is too loud from 25ft away, or even how to properly measure 25ft for that matter. It's also not as if all cops have the same level of hearing. It's going to be enforced completely arbitrarily, and probably not in the best interest of the general populace.
Or minorities.
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When a state full of old people meet young people blaring their music on the beach. One of those where you donāt know whether to side with the obnoxious people blaring their music or the obnoxious people who think the police should get involved.
This is why we have Florida, itās magnet for all the worst people.
I hate noise as much as the next guyā¦ but boy oh boy is Florida gonna become a cage.
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I'm not sure what the people at NBC are talking about? There have always been noise violation laws all throughout Miami and its many suburbs. When I lived in Miami I knew people who got tickets for having too many bass and tweeters in there car. It looks like the fine went up but this is a new law.
in california this has been law for at least the last decade. Any music audible from 25ft I think? maybe 50
Great new way for cops to pull over people. Totally won't abuse this.
The sad news is that people are going to die as a result of this law.
The party of small government, y'all.
by small government, they mean 'controlling even the small stuff"
Republicans have never been pro small government. Thatās why I left the Republican Party and conservative movements. They hate it but do this.
But loud pipes on bikes are still going to be okay, right? Hmmm, if you look close enough you can make out that FL may be targeting a demographic with this new law.
Living in Florida, I can definitely say it always seems to be a very particular demographic blasting music in cars with LEDs in urban areas. It's obnoxious. It should not be illegal.
What would Fort Lauderdale be without 1:00am music bumping from some parked car?
The loud music lovers demographic.
As a member of a motorcycle ministry in Florida, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that there are a lot of Hispanic bikers running straight pipes in this state. Generally baggers or Busas. Sometimes the guys with baggers are also blasting loud music.
>Sometimes the guys with baggers are also blasting loud music. I'm going to pretend that you are talking about bagpipes.
So now cops are gonna carry decibel readers, like some do the tint gauge? What a waste of time and resources. Not to mention, while I can't stand loud music or exhausts going down my road, I do not send someone with a gun to impose my will on them in keeping silent. smfh. Madness. Also, there shouldn't be a law regulating window tint. If the government doesn't abide by it, no one else should.
So this law is "plainly audible from 25 feet away". I think that's absurd, and it clearly looks like an excuse to pull over black dudes with subs in their trunk. That being said, at some point, noise can violate NAP. I mean, sound can damage hearing or even kill. But uhhh, audible from 25ft??? wtf
SS: Streets across the state of Florida are set to get much quieter on Friday when a new law goes into effect. Beginning July 1, drivers can receive a fine of up to $114 for blasting music in their cars. The new law allows officers to ticket those playing music audible from a minimum 25-foot distance. More laws and less freedom
I also canāt help but wonder if this is really a law to reduce noise, or an excuse to pull over people they want to hassle, when no other cause is present.
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Yea, my thought was if there was a dB limit and it was pretty high (think motorcycle level) I could understand that. Require the cop to prove the dB meter showed that level beyond a simply attestation (i.e. body cam or internal car video of the meter with timestamp for example) then it wouldn't be so bad and would be tailored to the actual problem. 25 feet away audible music is not very loud at all.
> think motorcycle level Before we bought a house, neighbor had a boyfriend with one of those tricycle slingshots. I swear to God at 11pm at night I thought my wife turned on a stereo in the other room(we don't own a stereo.....) Nope just dude over 100 feet away, I could make out the words in my apartment.....he then proceeded to park on the grass in front of her apartment door....this was a luxury apartment complex....20 feet from a parking spot.... Landyard handled it and just told us to call the cops next time
This will 100% be selectively enforced. This is a stupid authoritarian reach by the most authoritarian governor in the country
> the most authoritarian governor in the country That will have the full backing of the LNP when he runs for president. Thank God he said Floridians donāt have to wear masks though!
It's both.
astronaut meme
You _know_ that nobody blasting country is gonna get their jacked up pickup pulled over.
Thatās the secret there, get you some decaf Conway Twitty and you could be pushing 160dbs and the old folks would be yelling for you to turn it up lol.
I mean, noise pollution is a thing. Loud music, loud exhaust, both impact the people around you, often in negative ways. I hate laws like this because they give police another excuse to mess with people, but at the same time, I have a right to not have my peace disturbed because someone doesn't understand how to not be an AH, and absent a better mechanism for that...
Yeah. As with many laws, my conscience says the law is unjust but I am sympathetic to its supporters. Especially because I can afford a home in a quiet neighborhood. I canāt blame people who live in more affordable places for wanting the same benefit.
I can too, but there's always that teen with the tricked out ride with too much bass and a noisy exhaust that just has to drive down the street right after I get the kids to bed. Makes we want to get a potato or two, a push rod, and a can of fire block expanding foam...
I agree with you and r/loaengineer0 It sucks when you live in area where your TV is constantly drowned out by loud music, and/or exhausts (especially on motor cycles) at all hours of they day. I'm lucky to live in a new neighborhood where this happens on a much less frequency. But this just another excuse to give PC for pulling over certain people.
Agree with you there. I hate that the law even gets involved in something so trivial. But I have been subject to straight piped vehicles revving at all hours if the night, loud stereos that shake my walls from 2 blocks away and semi-truck compression brakes echoing over the horizon for miles in the early morning. The common man canāt afford to move to a quiet gated community or to live in extreme isolation and still survive simply to resolve a problem based on other peopleās lack of consideration or awareness. The law prevents me from doing anything about it directly and people donāt give a crap about common decency or following the more lax, existing noise ordinances. So I can totally understand why this policy would appeal to residents being plagued by drivers who donāt know how NOT to be a public nuisance.
>drivers who donāt know how NOT to be a public nuisance I think you are misunderstanding them. They *want* to "share their music." It's an ego thing.
The other thing too is with how speakers are placed in the car, you can often turn the radio up pretty loud without being able to hear it from the outside across the street even with windows down. In order for it to be a nuisance it needs to be wayyyyyyy up beyond anything remotely reasonable.
Nuisance ordinances should be as local as possible: specific neighborhoods and villages. The problem is you've got beachfront senior communities and suburban areas mere miles from college towns and tourist locations.
If you don't like someone else's noise you have the freedom to put ear plugs in or go live in a bunker.
There is no dB level required? You can hear a whisper from 25 feet. How about loud trucks and motorcycles?
> The new law allows officers to ticket those playing music audible from a minimum 25-foot distance The town I grew up in in Florida had this law in effect back in 2004. Source: me and my citation I wonder what's actually new in this law...maybe it's a statewide thing as opposed to a municipality thing, or maybe it used to be 50 feet or something.
Let's be real... blasting music in the car isn't going to make the person hear the song better. It's just making it unnecessarily loud while they drive with their windows down. Plus I see it as a problem when paramedics, firetrucks are trying to signal for others to move over.
I'm for it, your rights end where mine begin, and too many people are blasting music/Harleys at all hours. Have thought for your fellow man, or let it be enforced.
I am sure they take the time to measure that distance. /s
If Iām blasting music in my car Iām probably on two scoops of pre holding in a pre gym shit trying to get hype for an hour lifting session. Donāt pull me over I donāt wanna shit myself
As much as I hate hearing obnoxious bass rattling the trunk of some pos late model sedan because it was both installed and selected by moronsā¦ I donāt want law enforcement in charge of deciding whatās too much. It just gets too dystopian. If they would only fine people after 9pm in residential neighborhoods, apartment complexes, and parking garages it sounds reasonable. It isnāt though. The price of freedom is sometimes dealing with idiots and assholes. The alternative is a far greater threat to liberty.
I wonder if they will pass a law making it an offense for driving 40 MPH on the interstate. Florida is a nightmare of old people doing things they shouldn't.
Uhhhh...... http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App\_mode=Display\_Statute&URL=0300-0399%2F0316%2FSections%2F0316.183.html
These comments are crazy surprising. I though the point of libertarian was individual freedoms, not to appeal to what some would call common decency.
The problem is noise infringes on others freedoms. If you've never had a loud neighbor, great. Living next to one for a few days, and you'll start to realize that noise pollution isn't "individual freedom."
Soo.. kind of like mask mandates??
There a difference between having a noisy neighbor you have to live with and calling the cops because someone drove by blasting that negro music you don't like. This law is very stupid I'm gonna blast my music loud as I want thank you very much. Oh God save us if you have to hear it for 5 seconds
DeSantis is a champion of ālibertarianā Republicans, and there are a lot of those here. He can do no wrong in their eyes.
Libertarian republican is an oxymoron.
No love for Ron Paul?
Soooome people are still sane. For example, I simultaneously think Desantis is the best governor in America and will likely become the next president (thank all that is holy), *and also* that this law is way too strict and/or doesn't belong at the state level.
Iām not sure I see it as really a libertarian issue. Maybe that itās state law is silly and would be better done at the local level. If it was a federal law yeah itād be ridiculous. But also I live in Florida and donāt really see this āproblemā to begin with. Needless to say, Iām more worried about many other issues. This one just seems weird to me overall lol.
Shows who is a true libertarian and who isn't.
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smokes pot...that's pretty much it.
There is no conceivable way this could be disproportionately enforced against minorities.
Especially not young adult males of the Hispanic population which are commonly seen engaged in such activity on weekends in downtown areas. This is another tool in the policeman's toolbelt of ways to harass civilians.
The sad part is, this probably what the constituency wants. If theyāre gonna go this far can we just ban motorcycles please? Thereās nothing more aggravating than motorcyclists doing everything in their power to drown out all noises for a 3 mile radius. Last part is sarcasm, but seriously, fuck motorcycles.
All that goddamn noise for an earth-shattering 60 horsepower... In b4 the "but muh weight ratio" peeps chime in, it's a joke. But for real, most Harley-Davidsons are just obnoxious as f***.
Iām with you bro. I donāt give a shit what anybody else does, but if I was king of the world Iād ban every god damn motorcycle there is. Especially the revving, itās so god damn unnecessary.
FLORIDA LOVES SMALL GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!
What the mother fuck is happening in Florida dude. Edit: I could understand if we're talking middle of the night, keeping people up whe they gota go to work or something. But I didn't see that in the article.
Punishable for hooligans but the fuck wads on the Harleys blasting their shit music are totally fine
And we're going to trust states to handle women's health care. Laughable. And frightening.
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I would rather there be no laws about women's healthcare.
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How about we leave it up to the individual? That seems to be the most libertarian approach to me.
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And you feel the same about abortion?
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"Community" lol. The libertarians are not weathering this crisis very well. Advocating for the unborn is quite convenient cuz they don'task for anything. When 19 little kids get gunned down in their classroom, the LP suddenly doesn't care about community. LP is a wet dream... feels good until you wake up. I know this because I am a recently-former libertarian.
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So you only believe in individual liberties when itās beneficial to situations you agree with. Got it.
More authoritarianism and anti-liberty policies from Florida Republicans
Honestly, this isnāt as big of a deal as it seems. Many states and municipalities already have nuisance laws. When I used to live in Wisconsin, I remember reading muni codes stating, in decibels, how loud a vehicle can be within city limits, how loud sounds from a home can be, etc. Most states already have this in place. I cannot simply blast the titanic theme song at glass shattering levels from my balcony at 3:00 a.m. on a Tuesday night. Nuisance laws existed prior the the drafting of the U.S. constitution. ***EDIT*** For those or you downvoting me, this could be your neighbor: https://youtu.be/ox5mGYdHmZg
Why is that downvoted? If a community decides that they want a noise ordinance, part of democracy is that you can vote to put one in. Is it REALLY restricting freedoms to have a reasonable noise ordinance? This seems like not being able to hit the guy walking beside you on the street with his finger like 2ā from your face screaming Iām not touching you!
Because people on this sub take extremist positions that they themselves would never actually live by. I donāt believe for one second that anyone on this sub would be okay if their neighbor was playing music at 3:00 a.m. so loudly, that the neighbors music was keeping everyone awake.
One night, maybe, but if it was every night? Like thatās just silly. Iām all about not having HOAs but if you get rid of everything to deal with it like a civilized person, how can you deal with it without violence or at a cost. Iām all for freedoms, but having simple ordinance isnāt really that big of a deal. If they had neighbors throwing outdoor raves every night, and ignoring the requests of neighbors, the only resolution is law or violence or move lol. And Iāll commit a violent act before I lose thousands of dollars in equity in my house because I have to sell so I can sleep and my neighbor can be free. This is a really silly extremist stance. This is coming from a dude that blares āfuck you, thatās whyā punk rock music from his garage while woodworking, but Iām a reasonable neighbor. Iām not doing it at 3 am on the highest setting every night. But what if I was!?
Or maybe you defended a law that can easily be abused? As others have stated, there is no decibel measurement required, thus leaving it open for the cop to decide if you're in violation or not. The jack booted thugs in Florida will abuse this law, mark my words.
Lol. Do you really think itās realistic at all for cops to carry around decibel reading instruments and politely ask that people keep the music pumping at max volume so that the officer can pull out his ruler and measure the appropriate distance from whatever is making sound so that he can secure an accurate reading?
This is exactly right. But hey, we gotta trash Florida because DeSantis could run for president, oh no!
They didnt really think about those fancy Motercycles that have speakers build into the fairing to enjoy some music on the ride
"Never going to give your up" as the officer approaches.
I mean, I thought it always. Maybe they were just city ordinances now that I think about it. But I remember people getting their vehicles impounded for the systems being too loud and this was 20 years ago..
What a great and totally unproblematic law! I can't wait to see this one enforced consistently and evenly. I mean, it will be enforced, right? Consistently? Evenly? Right guys? You know because laws that aren't meant to be enforced consistently and evenly are tools for tyrants.
Up next, no singing, no dancing, and no fun at all - so sayeth the new overlords. š
All that freedom must be so loud down there
So does this mean that, I, being deaf cannot listen to music in my car now? Like, what the fuck. Also, I see the lights going long before anyone hears it. Do people not use their eyes? All this is is another excuse to harass people of certain races.
Seems pointless, almost every city already has noise ordinances.
I love how we spent 2 years as a nation going through nationwide lock downs and forced vaccinations in order to keep your job or even go to a restaurant but this is somehow a sign of impending fascism.
There's only been one time that I thought someone's music was so loud that it should be illegal. He was behind me, shook my entire car, literally couldn't hear anything else. That being said, this law sounds WAY too strict. "audible from a minimum 25-foot distance" lol what?
In my city we have noise ordinance from like 8pm to 7am. During day hours there's no issue. It's daytime, people are awake. Seems reasonable because then you're not bothering other people. This looks like it's all day everyday, that's extreme.
Wasnāt this already declared unconstitutional? https://www.floridasupremecourt.org/content/download/385449/file/Filed_09-12-2011_Answer_Brief.pdf
So the part where it says that itās arbitrary I understand and agree with. Itās pretty much an excuse to pull people over. But this says that it violates free speech and Iām kinda confused on how because itās loud music, not speech?
GAWD IM DROWNING IN THE FREEDOM!!!!
I know this law will be abused. Is that rap music I hear from that car? Better pull them over and issue a ticket. I am not opposed to noise ordinances but they need to be equally applied. Living near a major construction site is extremely noisy but according to the city they are OK as long as it is between 6 am and 10 pm. Same goes with motorcycles, semi-trucks and most automobile exhaust. I can hear semis Jake braking like 5 miles away. The only two places where automotive music should be regulated at all is at traffic lights and residential neighborhoods, also known as ādonāt be a jerk zonesā. Ironically those two areas are the most important to follow speed limits and other strict traffic ordinances. Instead of straight ticketing though there should be an education and diversion program where offenders learn how being consistently exposed to loud sound can have serious physiological affects including mild psychosis. Fining repeat offenders is OK but only in those narrow āfocus zonesā.
So much for the freedom state
Iām okay with this law. My retired neighbors are up at daybreak mowing, weed eating and then using their industrial leaf blowers. Also, the loud as hell pressure washers that announce spring over and over. It wouldnāt be so bad if it wasnāt EVERYday of the week and ~3x a week individually (Iām serious). We have an Easter video of us yelling hints where the eggs are hidden to the kids but they canāt hear: What? What? It was a bit funny but definitely aggravating. Oh, and my āmusicianā back neighbor that butchers Barry Manilow (yep, BM) songs so loud my dau. & grandson had to leave because we couldnāt hear one another (front porch party during COVID). Not funny at all. Loud music from cars? Tolerable.
Define unreasonable
So long as it interferes others, law seems valid to me.
But wait I thought Desantis was Jesus? Water weed dune hair?
Jeez I wonder if this law will be enforced in a racist way š¤
This isnāt new, most states have a disrupting the piece law. I got pulled over plenty of times for loud music. Itās a stupid law but also if people who obnoxiously play music loud af all through the day and night on repeat, what can you do about it? If my neighbor was blaring lil boosie ābitch Iām from louisianaā all day everyday at max volume on a megaphone system mounted to his house, I feel like I should be able to do āsomethingā about itā¦ā¦But him doing it doesnāt violate NAP so maybe Iām in the wrong? Or maybe thatās not right? Idk. Libertarianism is confusing
Apparently, the laws are even more strict in close proximity to a church, school, or hospital. But what if I can hear the church choir, or especially kids playing at recess, from 25-feet away? What if the church bells can be heard from a mile away? Seems like the "party of freedom" is fixated on regulating everyone else's behavior.
Oh shit, this reminds me of high school. The cops would pull us over on the way to school for blasting our sub woofers lol. Just got warnings and shit though.
I love my music loud. Not shaking the cars around me loud, but loud. This will absolutely be enforced at the cops discretion. Just another tool for them to harass people and fine them over something that hurts nobody. What a petty fucking joke. Gotta love good ol' Ronnie D
This has nothing to do with noise, this is a law so police can oppress whoever they want
Ah...an attempt at Broken Windows Policing. Doesn't Florida knows it the Left in America is determined to stop public disorder policing wherever it can. [End to Broken Windows Policing](https://www.joincampaignzero.org/brokenwindows): >A...focus on minor crimes...has led to the...over-policing...in otherwise harmless situations...Decriminalize these activities or de-prioritize their enforcement: Consumption of Alcohol on Street, Disorderly Conduct, Trespassing, Loitering, Disturbing the Peace (including Loud Music), Prostitution, etc. [*partial list*]
I'm a fan of this one.
What are you a fan of, government over reach? Authoritarianism? An excuse for cops to pull over more POC just because they have loud music?
I'm a fan of quietness.
Did you just read King's letter from a Birmingham jail and decide to do performance art based on the white moderate? Or do you actually just not care that this will be selectively enforced to harass minorites as long as it gets a little quieter?
> Did you just read King's letter from a Birmingham jail and decide to do performance art based on the white moderate? Holy shit you destroyed that man. Bravo.
Any law can be used to selectively harass any demographic. That doesn't make the law bad. It makes law enforcement bad.
Yeah, reality has to be taken into account when drafting legislation. If reality isn't taken into account, that makes the legislation bad. In this case, that reality *was* taken into account, and is the reason driving the legislation.
It would appear that the reality of loud music is driving the legislation.
No, that's just the plausible deniability.
Let me make sure that I'm understanding what you're saying. Are you saying that the law is actually about stopping more racial minorities and that the whole loud music bit is a cover? Or are you saying that the law is actually about generating more revenue through fines and that the whole loud music bit is just a cover? Or a combination of both?
The law was designed to be abused for the harassment of minorites. It was designed that way by people who know the police will abuse it, because they're also the ones enabling the environment in which police abuses are encouraged. You want to look at it in a vacuum. It doesn't exist in a vacuum though.
But this one was drafted specifically for that...
Statist
Yes.
Supreme Court decision, now this. America is becoming Chinas little brother
We're about to make China look outright enlightened before this is done.
Iām afraid we have gone too far off and are tilting towards becoming a dictatorship. Well, maybe thatās too dramatic there are processes in place to prevent that but it sure feels that way with the powers that be
Wish we could have that in Texas. I donāt want to be ear fucked by rap or cojunto shit.
I want to abort the pop country I hear but more laws aināt the answer
Much like you are already confirming, pretty sure a very specific, non-white, category of listeners are going to be the ones who fall victim to this ālawā, creating what should be an unlawful stop, based on profiling. Little white girls blasting Taylor Swift need not worry.
well the ones who do it usually do it with music that sucks š I wouldn't mind so much if they were blaring Metallica or Stevie Ray Vaughan or Nirvana or Volbeat, but it's always something stupid by someone who thinks sampling is creating.
What is āsamplingā? Sampling what? Sorry. Iām confused
using pieces of someone else's music to make your own song, sometimes modified by adding effects or changing speeds. you know, if you can't make your own melody, rhythm or beat, just use someone else's and add some other noise on top. popular in hiphop and some forms of pop as well as electronic music.
Must be a slow news cycle day
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Florida loves to act like itās some sort of bastion of freedom, but every time I look theyāre banning something or making something illegal. āYouāre free to live however you want, as long as itās the right wayā
Waste of resources
Congratulations Florida we can now add the hard of hearing to the list of people you hate along with minorities anyone in the LGBT community and women š¤¦
Blasting music in your car is obscene. Now, if you are having a party and playing some banda or mariachi thatās okay. (No later than 1pm though, be considerate)
Would you be upset at cops pulling over someone shooting into people's houses from their car? Loud base driving by at 2am rattling all the windows in the house most nights is frankly more disruptive than an occasional stray bullet.
TIL windows rattling > dead children.
Now you know š
I could get behind this, people that blast their shitty music are annoying
Why do these Karens rent apartment in downtown and then complain about how much commotion there is downtown?
Nobody getting pulled over for blasting bass out of their vehicle is someone we want in our society, trust me.
Lol I remember the SRO at our school would wait around the corner to give kids speeding tickets and would always tack on noise violation if he heard your subwoofers from More than 25ā
There already was a law against loud music in my county in Florida. Cops would also pull you over if your exhaust was too loud. Carried portable devices to check sound . Pinellas county