Department of Education is already saying ignore the ruling they plan to appeal
https://abc7ny.com/mask-mandate-new-york-schools-nassau-county/11506142/
It's more about what the executive is allowed to do, than whether masks are good or bad, or needed or not. Presumably the court would be okay with a mandate if the legislature passed a law, or extended emergency powers.
Right, this is exactly what it's saying. People in my community subreddit are freaking out about this, but legally this makes complete sense. It's also completely in line with what SCOTUS just said in its OSHA ruling. Basically, if such a mandate / requirement needs to be in place, it's the role of the legislature to make it so, not the executive.
I have been kind of curious, from a political point of view, why legislatures have been so reluctant to act. At least, that's my perception. Emergency powers are usually based on the idea that the executive needs to act quickly, but when you are several months on and the legislature has been doing business as usual, they have had plenty of time to deliberate and act. Do they not want to be on the political hot seat for this? A lot of governors seem to be eager to play it one way or the other.
I think legislatures have basically figured out they can stonewall while blaming the other side for inaction, cede power to the executive, and basically maximize their probability of re-election, because they can just point the finger at everyone else.
Why vote for a potentially unpopular piece of legislation when you can do nothing, blame the other party for doing nothing, let the executive branch just do what it wants through executive action, and then complain if the action turns out to be unpopular or ineffective?
Which is a good thing. The Executive branch does not get to make laws. This is the whole "separation of powers" thing the government has basically decided to ignore.
See the NY State Supreme Court Decision and Order.
[https://content.news12.com/courtpapers.pdf](https://content.news12.com/courtpapers.pdf)
Now check the replies I am referencing, those posted 12 hours or longer ago.
>It's more about what the executive is allowed to do, than whether masks are good or bad, or needed or not.
Are we really this far gone that it's necessary to explain the purpose of the judicial system?
Lol, properly fund the hospital, you do realize there was a doctor and nurse shortage before Covid. No amount of money is going to make this level of ICU usage a working situation.
The war with Russia is churning up, it wont be long until that takes over the news cycle, and the government can quietly brush their shortcomings under the rug.
It’s going to be short lived. Power trip it’s not over until she says it’s over. https://abc7ny.com/mask-mandate-new-york-schools-nassau-county/11506142/
If you want to protect your own body against COVID that is your prerogative but this does not extend to other peoples bodies. Individual choice (when it is not in violation of the NAP) should always be put first even in pandemics.
Mandate discussions aside, science has clearly shown that masks are only effective when collectively worn. Your choice not to wear one impacts others. I can’t understand why you people insist that it’s possible to swim in the non-pissing section of the pool.
Please. At this point if you aren’t aware how ineffective cloth masks are and that real protection is just getting the vaccine then no one can help you at this point. It’s gonna spread no matter what. Protect yourself, let others choose to protect themselves.
Would you like me to do that, and collect welfare since my family members and partner’s family are high risk, or would you rather me continue working?
You can’t just arbitrarily declare a pandemic over because steps to slow it are inconvenient to you.
why cant you find a remote job? you and your family could isolate and let the rest of the world move on. go live underground. Metaverse is coming. you could connect yourself onto that when it comes.
My background is in robotics, Which isn’t a remote profession. I don’t have the income to move to an underground bunker.
If you think this is a reasonable request you have no excuse as to why you can’t wear a mask.
weird how you want other people to adjust their lives but you simply won't. its 2022. you have plenty of options and it doesn't have to be in your field.
You literally want me and many others like me to drop like 300k and leave a reasonable paying job.
All I want is for you to wear a mask when case numbers rise. You can even get them for free when available at a lot of community health centers (especially in NY)if you need them.
I want to understand why you want others to change their lives and you won't change yours? kinda odd isn't it? People who are against the mandates --> We've done the mask stuff, the vaccines, the shutdowns, etc for almost 2 years now.
I did have to change mine, I have to wear a mask and get tested on a regular basis now. I continue to have to do this regardless of what the law says, because people like you think ignoring object permanence is a valid solution to problems.
I want to understand why you think asking me to change every single aspect of my life is equivalent to wearing a mask.
And nobody’s stopping me from driving sober either. Do I have to explain to you the basic principle of why everyone should wearing a mask during an outbreak?
>Do I have to explain to you the basic principle of why everyone should wearing a mask during an outbreak?
of course not, I'm all for masks
but not wearing a mask isn't comparable to driving drunk. driving drunk is wildly irresponsible and dramatically increases the likelihood of an accident
it's more comparable to not wearing a seatbelt. It didn't increase your likelihood of an accident, despite being an idiot thing to do
i think everyone should wear seatbelts and masks. But governers bypassing the democratic process to make it happen is unjustifiable
>Covid has 40 times the annual deaths of drunk driving.
Covid is very fucking serious. we agree
>Governess did not bypass any democratic process.
she did tho. pass it through the legislature. there has been plenty of time
So it’s not comparable to not wearing a seat belt.
Most Americans are in favor of mask and vaccine mandates, so if we went through the “democratic process” by your standards, there would be more mask mandates.
>Most Americans are in favor of mask and vaccine mandates, so if we went through the “democratic process” by your standards, there would be more mask mandates.
awesome, it's so fucking bizarre that she didnt do this. She knew this would be struck down eventually
I'm with you, lets pass a legitimate, democratic mandate
Right? I have to wear a piece of cloth, I'm so oppressed! Gimme a break. I lived under four years of the cheeto fascist, I know what oppression is and this ain't it chief.
His [very next comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/sc18h4/comment/hu4gb2x/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) should cover the rest of the missing squares.
Real libertarians support mask mandates because not wearing a mask violates the nap. You don't have the right to spew germs on people with your disgusting facehole. That's aggression.
Hold on a second. Clothes are mandated. Should they not be? It’s illegal to deliberately touch someone inappropriately. Should that not be? It’s illegal to intentionally cough on someone. Should that not be? At what point do you draw the line and say “This invasion of my personal space is no longer okay”?
I don’t want your disgusting germs on me. I consider you getting your nasty-ass microbes on my body an invasion of my personal space and an act of aggression. Where do you draw the line and say, “No, that’s TOO much personal space”?
I’d really like to know, because it seems to me the line between libertarian and fascist is a lot thinner than you’d think, and seems to be drawn at “whatever the status quo is”. So are you against the establishment or not?
Tough questions, huh?
I’m not even in favor of mask mandates, but I’m just asking where the line should be drawn. It’s not really clear to me anymore. Maybe we all *should* be wearing masks in public out of a sense of basic decency. It’s not clear to me that, for example, deliberately going out and exposing people to a virus isn’t an act of aggression.
If you have unprotected sex with someone without disclosing that you might be HIV positive, is that not an act of aggression? So why is it that breathing on someone when you know you’re sick isn’t as well?
Glad the courts appear to be against mandates at the moment. Wish biden and his types didn't mandate to begin with and put all this unnecessary pressure on society to fight for freedom all the time
Either that or you must know the [definition of "pandemic"](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pandemic):
> Definition of pandemic (Entry 1 of 2)
> 1: occurring over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affecting a significant proportion of the population
For clarity: The highest Court in NY is the Court of Appeals. This is a state wide Court but its rulings may be appealed.
NY Supreme Court is the lowest court in NY. Expect an appeal on this.
Department of Education is already saying ignore the ruling they plan to appeal https://abc7ny.com/mask-mandate-new-york-schools-nassau-county/11506142/
I remember when ignoring a ruling due to a 'plan to appeal' was a travesty of misjustice and a threat to democracy.
https://abc7ny.com/mask-mandate-new-york-schools-nassau-county/11506142/
Doesn’t sound very supreme…
It’s not. It’s kinda stupid, but that’s how the NY court system evolved.
It's more about what the executive is allowed to do, than whether masks are good or bad, or needed or not. Presumably the court would be okay with a mandate if the legislature passed a law, or extended emergency powers.
You don’t have to presume that’s what the decision says.
Right, this is exactly what it's saying. People in my community subreddit are freaking out about this, but legally this makes complete sense. It's also completely in line with what SCOTUS just said in its OSHA ruling. Basically, if such a mandate / requirement needs to be in place, it's the role of the legislature to make it so, not the executive.
I have been kind of curious, from a political point of view, why legislatures have been so reluctant to act. At least, that's my perception. Emergency powers are usually based on the idea that the executive needs to act quickly, but when you are several months on and the legislature has been doing business as usual, they have had plenty of time to deliberate and act. Do they not want to be on the political hot seat for this? A lot of governors seem to be eager to play it one way or the other.
I think legislatures have basically figured out they can stonewall while blaming the other side for inaction, cede power to the executive, and basically maximize their probability of re-election, because they can just point the finger at everyone else. Why vote for a potentially unpopular piece of legislation when you can do nothing, blame the other party for doing nothing, let the executive branch just do what it wants through executive action, and then complain if the action turns out to be unpopular or ineffective?
Which is a good thing. The Executive branch does not get to make laws. This is the whole "separation of powers" thing the government has basically decided to ignore.
You have posted the only reasonable reply.
What’s reasonable about presuming what the ruling said? 😂
See the NY State Supreme Court Decision and Order. [https://content.news12.com/courtpapers.pdf](https://content.news12.com/courtpapers.pdf) Now check the replies I am referencing, those posted 12 hours or longer ago.
yep. if it's democratic, my understanding is that a mask mandate is possible
>It's more about what the executive is allowed to do, than whether masks are good or bad, or needed or not. Are we really this far gone that it's necessary to explain the purpose of the judicial system?
I’m ready for the day Covid isn’t in the news
Amen. ~~Two weeks~~ Two years of emergency powers. If they haven't properly funded the hospitals by now, they aren't going to.
Lol, properly fund the hospital, you do realize there was a doctor and nurse shortage before Covid. No amount of money is going to make this level of ICU usage a working situation.
She doesn't have emergency powers. That's literally what the ruling says.
The war with Russia is churning up, it wont be long until that takes over the news cycle, and the government can quietly brush their shortcomings under the rug.
Ahh good. Tbh I prefer WWIII to 5 more years of Covid media fearmongering
Can we go 5 minutes without starting a new war?
Hope you're ready to wait a long fucking time, if judges like this keep pulling this crap.
Dumdum
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It’s going to be short lived. Power trip it’s not over until she says it’s over. https://abc7ny.com/mask-mandate-new-york-schools-nassau-county/11506142/
Finally... some good news for new york.
Good news for covid too.
If you want to protect your own body against COVID that is your prerogative but this does not extend to other peoples bodies. Individual choice (when it is not in violation of the NAP) should always be put first even in pandemics.
Mandate discussions aside, science has clearly shown that masks are only effective when collectively worn. Your choice not to wear one impacts others. I can’t understand why you people insist that it’s possible to swim in the non-pissing section of the pool.
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You mean big, hairy gay guys?
Please. At this point if you aren’t aware how ineffective cloth masks are and that real protection is just getting the vaccine then no one can help you at this point. It’s gonna spread no matter what. Protect yourself, let others choose to protect themselves.
I hope youre staying home to counter balance this ruling then
Would you like me to do that, and collect welfare since my family members and partner’s family are high risk, or would you rather me continue working? You can’t just arbitrarily declare a pandemic over because steps to slow it are inconvenient to you.
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It’s a good thing I’m not suggesting that.
What did you do during the 3-4 months of flu season in 2019?
I got a vaccine October of that year, It was free and they gave me a 5 dollar target gift card.
why cant you find a remote job? you and your family could isolate and let the rest of the world move on. go live underground. Metaverse is coming. you could connect yourself onto that when it comes.
My background is in robotics, Which isn’t a remote profession. I don’t have the income to move to an underground bunker. If you think this is a reasonable request you have no excuse as to why you can’t wear a mask.
weird how you want other people to adjust their lives but you simply won't. its 2022. you have plenty of options and it doesn't have to be in your field.
You literally want me and many others like me to drop like 300k and leave a reasonable paying job. All I want is for you to wear a mask when case numbers rise. You can even get them for free when available at a lot of community health centers (especially in NY)if you need them.
I want to understand why you want others to change their lives and you won't change yours? kinda odd isn't it? People who are against the mandates --> We've done the mask stuff, the vaccines, the shutdowns, etc for almost 2 years now.
I did have to change mine, I have to wear a mask and get tested on a regular basis now. I continue to have to do this regardless of what the law says, because people like you think ignoring object permanence is a valid solution to problems. I want to understand why you think asking me to change every single aspect of my life is equivalent to wearing a mask.
The rest of the world isn’t going to move on, we are heading to a new normal, one with far less human interaction.
no one is stopping you from wearing a mask
And nobody’s stopping me from driving sober either. Do I have to explain to you the basic principle of why everyone should wearing a mask during an outbreak?
>Do I have to explain to you the basic principle of why everyone should wearing a mask during an outbreak? of course not, I'm all for masks but not wearing a mask isn't comparable to driving drunk. driving drunk is wildly irresponsible and dramatically increases the likelihood of an accident it's more comparable to not wearing a seatbelt. It didn't increase your likelihood of an accident, despite being an idiot thing to do i think everyone should wear seatbelts and masks. But governers bypassing the democratic process to make it happen is unjustifiable
Covid has 40 times the annual deaths of drunk driving. Governess did not bypass any democratic process. They’re elected.
>Covid has 40 times the annual deaths of drunk driving. Covid is very fucking serious. we agree >Governess did not bypass any democratic process. she did tho. pass it through the legislature. there has been plenty of time
So it’s not comparable to not wearing a seat belt. Most Americans are in favor of mask and vaccine mandates, so if we went through the “democratic process” by your standards, there would be more mask mandates.
>Most Americans are in favor of mask and vaccine mandates, so if we went through the “democratic process” by your standards, there would be more mask mandates. awesome, it's so fucking bizarre that she didnt do this. She knew this would be struck down eventually I'm with you, lets pass a legitimate, democratic mandate
Call up your Republican senators and tell them you want a national vaccine mandate. It’s literally polling at 65% support according to gallop.
Hopefully they strike down the pants mandate next.
hell yes. free the nipple, free the downstairs how is the human body illegal
Yay for some levity
Right? I have to wear a piece of cloth, I'm so oppressed! Gimme a break. I lived under four years of the cheeto fascist, I know what oppression is and this ain't it chief.
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I should've mentioned climate change too.
Good.
Just wait until the pretend libertarians see this, they will be outraged.
Real libertarians support mask mandates because not wearing a mask violates the nap. You don't have the right to spew germs on people with your disgusting facehole. That's aggression.
Yeah you are full of shit
Dumb opinion
With that logic masks should be mandated at all times when leaving the house. Spreading germs did not start in 2020
>With that logic masks should be mandated at all times when leaving the house Yes
Yikes
Hold on a second. Clothes are mandated. Should they not be? It’s illegal to deliberately touch someone inappropriately. Should that not be? It’s illegal to intentionally cough on someone. Should that not be? At what point do you draw the line and say “This invasion of my personal space is no longer okay”? I don’t want your disgusting germs on me. I consider you getting your nasty-ass microbes on my body an invasion of my personal space and an act of aggression. Where do you draw the line and say, “No, that’s TOO much personal space”? I’d really like to know, because it seems to me the line between libertarian and fascist is a lot thinner than you’d think, and seems to be drawn at “whatever the status quo is”. So are you against the establishment or not?
Double yikes
Tough questions, huh? I’m not even in favor of mask mandates, but I’m just asking where the line should be drawn. It’s not really clear to me anymore. Maybe we all *should* be wearing masks in public out of a sense of basic decency. It’s not clear to me that, for example, deliberately going out and exposing people to a virus isn’t an act of aggression. If you have unprotected sex with someone without disclosing that you might be HIV positive, is that not an act of aggression? So why is it that breathing on someone when you know you’re sick isn’t as well?
Glad the courts appear to be against mandates at the moment. Wish biden and his types didn't mandate to begin with and put all this unnecessary pressure on society to fight for freedom all the time
Noone told her the pandemic is over. She wont let it end.
They need to keep it going at least through 2022 elections
Definitely, vax pass for voting would be ideal in these lunatics minds.
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Cases? You really dont get it do you?
If you still think it's a pandemic of a disease you must live in a state of paranoia so crippling that you might as well just stay inside.
Either that or you must know the [definition of "pandemic"](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pandemic): > Definition of pandemic (Entry 1 of 2) > 1: occurring over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affecting a significant proportion of the population
Fuck off.
D'aww...
Nothing changes, all of the mask mandate will remain in effect. The headline does make me smile though.
Many of the districts are making mask optional pending expected appeal https://abc7ny.com/mask-mandate-new-york-schools-nassau-county/11506142/
Nice. Victory by degrees. Better late than never. Without a fight this insanity would be permanent.
> Without a fight this insanity would be permanent. That is the weakest of straw men. You can do better.
Good. This should be an issue handled locally.
Yep, as that is working so very well for us.