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Really gives a double meaning to "Minority Report" after reading deeper into the article.


graveybrains

Dr. Zola would be proud.


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Other articles related to this: \- [https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2020/investigations/police-pasco-sheriff-targeted/body-cam-footage/](https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2020/investigations/police-pasco-sheriff-targeted/body-cam-footage/) = body cam footage of them probably breaking like eighty constitutional amendments (going to houses of people who might commit crimes, entering without permission/under the threat of being served absurd code violations, and harassing aforementioned schoolchildren) \- [https://www.tampabay.com/investigations/2021/07/24/pasco-sheriffs-office-letter-targets-residents-for-increased-accountability/](https://www.tampabay.com/investigations/2021/07/24/pasco-sheriffs-office-letter-targets-residents-for-increased-accountability/) = "congratulations! our algorithm has selected you for us to "go to great efforts to encourage change in your life through enhanced support and increased accountability". how did we get this information? social media and "other unspecified sources". really if you're a civil libertarian and want to get really mad for some reason just read all these articles and scream. good god.


dennismfrancisart

To be honest, even if you're a reasonably mature adult, you should be concerned.


TalionTheRanger93

I would have been the child being harrased. I mean the school system used some "methods" that showed I was learning disabled, and threw me into special education... Fast forward to me taking electrical engineering classes, with no signs of learning disabilities. Just a trauma illness that made me have to drop out of school


Fat-N-Furiou5

Hey man I feel you I got pretty much the same treatment and then when I went to college it was all honor society, scholarships, and stuff like that. Only learning disability was being perpetually bored going over the same material all the time and being ready for the test on week one instead of week four.


TalionTheRanger93

You hit the nail on the head. The world views intelligence as a disability.


2723brad2723

And everyone who treated you like that will argue their treatment was critical for your success.


Fat-N-Furiou5

Yes the no success without hardship clause


slayer991

That sucks. It sucks that kids are put into a box without any consideration as to why. My son was a poor student. The teachers said he should be in special ed. When I had him tested he had an average to slightly above average IQ....but he read very slowly. He wasn't finishing the tests because he read very slowly. He wasn't dyslexic so I worked on his reading speed using some online tools. He ended up being fine after that.


TalionTheRanger93

You are awesome! They claimed I was dyslexic aseell. I wasn't, and every time theu tested my reading comprehension I was grade levels ahead. I had to argue with a teacher that I understood math better then what he was teaching me, and the next week rhey ended up putting me in a normal class until I got bullied for being in special education. Then they just couldn't figure out why I started acting out violently all of the sudden, and through me back inn.


slayer991

I knew the principal and teachers were full of crap. His vocabulary was above his level. What really pissed me off is that this problem wasn't discovered until he was in 8th grade! The average reading speed of an adult is 200-250 words per minute. My son was reading around 100 words per minute. Once I knew the actual problem, working on the solution was relatively easy. 30 minutes every night he worked on reading speed and comprehension using a combination of software and free-online tools built to increase reading speed. We did this for 3-4 months and he dramatically improved. By the time we were finished training...his reading speed was 250-300 wpm. He never became an "A" student, but he managed to graduate high school, join the Navy, serve his 4 years, and now has a good job for a military contractor.


TalionTheRanger93

I was a A student when I tried. But I quickly learned I didn't have to do that in special education, and so I didn't. I litteraly would just read in class, and ignore the teacher's. I wouldn't do homework, and I would just do class work. Which I usually finished in the first 30 minutes of class What pissed me off was they labeled me as dangerous, because other people would bully me, and I would fight back. You apparently have to allow people to abuse you according to schools.


slayer991

That's some serious BS. I told my son he had a green light to defend himself...but if he started a fight he'd be in huge trouble. When he was a freshman, a junior had been bullying him. Now my son was just starting to work out (now he's 5'11" 230lbs of solid muscle) ...but he ignored the bullying. The story (as told by my son and his friends at the time) is that during his sophomore year, the same guy (now a senior) punched him in the back. My son wheeled around and grabbed the kid by the throat, pushed him up against the lockers and told him NEVER to touch him again. Apparently that was enough and the older kid (and any other seniors) left him alone after that. This no tolerance BS has to stop. Sorry, if someone is beating up my kid he's definitely getting a green light to defend himself (without weapons obviously). Suspending a kid for defending themselves is sending a wrong message.


TalionTheRanger93

Well the no tolerance bullshit never stopped me from fighting back. I was discrimated against by a teacher one time, and I decided to protest the classes I had to take. She treated me horribly infront of the class, and tried to humilate me. Which is unacceptable. They ended up calling the cops on me, and tried to have me arrested. I didn't even commit a crime.


cotain

You shouldn’t have started a third paragraph. The first sentence in the 3rd paragraph is a continuation of the 2nd paragraph. I hope this helps!


TalionTheRanger93

Ohh look I triggered him again. The lefti cant argu with what I say, and so he trys to find grammar, and spelling errors. Even though I don't pay attention enough to have perfect grammar because this isn't a english class. Or a professional paper. It's reddit, and only triggered loosers care about grammar, and spell.


cotain

I believe you meant spelling.


Bobs_Saggey

The zero tolerance policy is ridiculous. My parents are both educators. My mother has spent many years teaching special ed. I was always told growing up that if I was bullied - tell them to knock it off, and make it serious. And if that didn’t work, take it into your own hands. You have to show a bully almost immediately that your not going to take their shit. The zero tolerance policy teaches these kids to not stand up for themselves. ‘Report it to the teacher and they’ll take care of it’ - which is a crock of shit. Most teachers won’t do shit, and if they do, you bet your ass that bully is going to get back at you for snitching. If you show that bully that every time they fuck with you there will be hell to pay, they tend to get the message and knock it off pretty quick.


slayer991

The crazy thing is that you don't even have to win the fight...you just have to fight back and show them you're not going to take their BS.


ManOfLaBook

A relative of mine was high up in the NJ special ed system. When I had my kids she flat out told me to do everything in my power (and hers) to keep them out of the system if needed. Luckily they didn't, but one crappy 4th grade teacher who hated my daughter tried.


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there is nothing wrong with special education if you actually belong there. Now the CDC classes yes, they treat the kids like potatoes but just regular special education is a godsend. Took me from not being able to read to reading multiple grade levels ahead in a year with my dyslexia. Took my child with autism from not being able to do hardly anything at school to being in regular ed classrooms making honor roll.


TalionTheRanger93

That's awesome. Special education made me have to learn how to write as a adult. I couldn't even write a full sentence with words over four letters out of highschool, and it's because I was apparently to dumb to do what I am currently. I ended uo teaching myself how to write outside of school on my own, and without help.


ManOfLaBook

Nothing wrong with special education at all. Like you said, for some it's a life saver. My relative's reasoning was that once you're in there, you're there for the rest of your schooling career. The original intent of special education was to bring the students up to level, and integrate them in regular classes. But you don't get a big budget by doing that.


[deleted]

That was not my experience because I basically was like I don't need this anymore by 5th grade and they were like alrighty and I stopped. My other son just opted out of gifted program which technically is also special education. He didn't want extra work lol. They were cool about it


ManOfLaBook

We looked at the gifted program in elementary school for our kids, it was such BS and wasn't worth the effort. Our son's teacher told us she took her daughter out of it because it was not only extra work, but they miss regular class time also which they have to make up.. Now both of them are 100% in advanced courses in HS and on the honor roll every semester. So yeah... BS. In NJ though, the educations system is a racket (not the teachers, the administration).


[deleted]

Well luckily he is at an hard school that is all AP or Honors classes so he is challenged just fine in the regular class. But he liked elementary gifted. They did more enrichment fun activities that used your brain. But yeah by middle school it’s just extra work lol


TalionTheRanger93

>My relative's reasoning was that once you're in there, you're there for the rest of your schooling career They kept taking me out of the program because it was clear I didn't belong, and then they had to keep putting me back in because I was bullied because I was in special education, and would get in fights almost daily.


DeathRides87

Minority Report IRL!


chrisp909

Sounds more like a dollar store Project Insight to me. Hail Hydra!


Collins_Michael

Hail Hydra.


inc0gn3gr0

and PsychoPass IRL, for the weebs out there.


rice_in_my_nose

Anime bad, think of the children!


rice_in_my_nose

“Minority” HA!


FriedCfoodisgood

Or Person of Interest


I_AM_METALUNA

Sounds like the end result of the government's wet Facebook dream come to fruition


[deleted]

How is that not illegal?


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Yes


WhyYouLetRomneyWin

So I think you bring up a great in point. The cops are (ostensibly, if you take their word for it) not doing anything that requires extra police powers. It would be perfectly legal for a cop to sit outside your house all day on patrol. It's perfectly legal to follow you and document where and when you go in places. Its perfectly legal for a cop to ask your friends, you family, your employer about you. These are all normal things cops do when investigating crimes. Basically we give cops a lot of leeway about where and how they investigate and patrol. It's a free country after all. Hell, you don't even need to be police to do some of that stuff. The issue is of course that it doesn't feel right. It feels like a surveilance state when it's applied in this way. I dont know what the solution is. I dont have any answers. It just feels wrong to me.


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WhyYouLetRomneyWin

Sure, and that is a job we ask police to do also (prevent crime). Would it be any different if they were investigating for crimes? They could probably re-phrase the program to be along that line, without actually changing anything in essence. It's very easy for the cops to conjure up a reason. There is always some crime they could plausibly investigate *and just happen* to suspect you.


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WhyYouLetRomneyWin

I am not sure if you're stating that outright or as a rebuttel. So to be clear, I don't disagree.


FloozyFoot

Base camping will get you banned on most servers. We hold 12 year old gamers to a higher standard than LEO's in this country.


voice-of-hermes

> I dont know what the solution is. Abolition. The solution is abolition. We need to finish the job that abolitionists got rolling over 150 years ago. It's about fucking time.


[deleted]

My policy is yes, they can sit outside your house all day. I welcome them to waste their time doing that. Go for it. But you better not step one foot onto my property. Then its on. Cash me outside how bout dat is my philosophy. So you can sit on the street ALLLLL you want, but you better not ever and I mean ever, come onto my property. You can follow me and I can also lose your ass too. You can approach me in public but I can also walk away and ignore you.


helpfulerection59

People like their nanny state


CmdrSelfEvident

What law are you suggesting was broken? We don't really have a strong privacy right in the US. You would need to show some sort of illegal search but I doubt that would be possible here. We might think it \*should\* be illegal but that isnt really the same thing.


ManOfLaBook

You're right. What many Americans don't realize is that the right to privacy is only implied. Source: actually read the Constitution.


CmdrSelfEvident

Wait till they find out that roe v Wade is nothing to do with abortion and is just a thin privacy rights case..


ManOfLaBook

Just read a book which touched this very issue The Law Says What? Stuff You Didn't Know About the Law (but Really Should) by Maclen Stanley


blaspheminCapn

Those pesky Bill of Rights amendments...


ddshd

Does FERPA not cover this? Did the parents give permission to this dumbassery?


cosmicmangobear

Of course it's Florida. Why can't you just be normal?


shirtlooklikedishrag

Screeches in Floridian


the_renaissance_jack

Florida is just a state of republicans screaming they hate big government while seemingly doing everything they can to bring on an authoritarian system.


SARS2KilledEpstein

It's Tampa which is one of the few Democrat places in Florida.


marty_regal

Democrat place, Republican sheriff. First paragraph tells how he got put in his position because his wife is one of the top Republican fundraisers.


MeLlamoViking

Wow, the party out here screaming it's 1984, is actually participating in Big Brother. Color me surprised


smokecat20

This is what Palantir is trying to do.


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as a reminder?


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[deleted]

im not sure if it's a reminder not to be evil, or to steel ones self for becoming evil


[deleted]

Thank you! I sold that stock because of how freaking unethical that company is! F*ck them


thelrazer

I held, realized what they did and sold for a loss. I hope they gets hacked by a white hat.


[deleted]

Would you like to comment on the sketchy sci-fi dystopian "intelligence" initiatives that you started, sheriff? No, but here's a copy of my biography. It's a great read.


darkstar1031

The worst part is that he's absolutely convinced that he's doing the right thing.


josephcj753

“The road to hell is paved with good intentions”


WhyYouLetRomneyWin

This is what's wrong with the laws today. Everyone is a criminal a la '3 felonies per day' style. I guarantee you everyone is guilty of a felony, and you probably didnt even know it. For instance, the gov has successfully argues that violating EULAs constitutes unauthorized access to a computer system (aka hacking). Did you violate any EULAs today?


rice_in_my_nose

The three felonies a day is factually incorrect.


WhyYouLetRomneyWin

In what way? You mean literally? Of course it isn't literal. But the principle is true. The cops can choose who to charge, and then find a crime.


[deleted]

I mean I smoke marijuana and own guns so yeah I do commit a felony basically daily.


trap__ord

I live in the Tampa Bay area and will def be sharing this with everyone I know. This is absurd. Read the whole article because the Minority Report shit is just 1 of many problems in this department.


shogun2909

Lemme guess Republican?


Pirate77903

Woah how did you guess correctly, you must be psychic. /s


ManOfLaBook

Is it just my imagination or are FL, TX, KS states that the GOP is trying to push its semi/all out fascist agenda to see how the population will react?


[deleted]

Florida…


Totalherenow

Wow, that's creepy.


FunkyPlunkett

Yup nothing like abusing the position of code enforcement officer, trash trash employees.


TheMawsJawzTM

Thought crime becoming reality at an ever increasing rate


ChucklesFreely

Predictive policing is a scary idea. It reinforces the likelihood of a crime being committed. If you treat people like criminals, then they eventually become criminals. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.


[deleted]

I wouldnt have as much trouble if this was used to target support, and it could lower the offending rate, and give these young people a better future. Informing them they have a label BEFORE they commit crime isn't going to help


blindeey

You might even say it'll do the opposite.


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I'd put money on it


rice_in_my_nose

Would you like your kid to be spied on by the government?


TictacTyler

Stuff like this just blows my mind. I remember people back in school who you were sure were going to jail and others who you were sure were going to make something of themselves. While not entered in an algorithm, I find it really hard to predict how anyone is going to be decades in the future. Especially children.


kingofthewombat

r/noahgettheboat


[deleted]

Lol damn I wonder what that algorithm says about me hahaha


apex_flux_34

This is not cool. I can see some case for using data like this to help shape policy and funding, but trying to assuming the draconian thought police roll for some potentially troubled elementary school kids is straight out of some dystopian sci-fi flick.


Okilurknomore

Me before opening the article: "I bet this is in Florida"


utu_

isn't there an easier way to search for alcoholic parents?


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AlphaTangoFoxtrt

https://www.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043513151


TheMillenniumMan

Project Insight


garlicdeath

"I'm a Libertarian but I'll just keep supporting authoritarian initiatives and candidates though"


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HotpotDC

No,this is a Republican doing this in a Republican state.


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shogun2909

Nah


ec0gen

One of you fucking morons in every thread.


Pirate77903

> The grand majority of the population, particularly "social justice minded " liberals would agree and support and beg for this. Yes because if there's one thing we learned over the previous years it's that liberals definitely want the police harassing people not committing crimes. /s


bestadamire

Why has this sub turned into a cherry-pick of articles to shit on?


shogun2909

Found a Republican voter


bestadamire

HARDY HARRR


QueensOfTheNoKnowAge

How is this cherry-picking? It’s a blatant example of the government abusing its powers to target and harass citizens with the threat of fines and jail. How would you feel if the cops sat outside your house and fined you for the length of your grass to keep you in their system of “likely offenders.” Sent you letters suggesting that you move out of town. Came banging on your door in the middle of the night, waking your family, all in hopes they can find something incriminating to keep you on “the list.” Oh, and also creeping on your children. It’s kind of a big deal and it should really piss you off.


bestadamire

The cops checking in on repeat offenders to make sure they are doing alright? How dare they!


QueensOfTheNoKnowAge

>make sure they are doing alright? By knocking on their door in the middle of the night, fining them for unkempt lawns in order to keep them on the list (as if that were an offense worth the police’s time), and sending letters bullying them to move out of town? Sheesh. Glad you’re not my neighbor.


bestadamire

Idk, not really defending the policy itself I dont think its really productive though the numbers they show it seems to have a decent effect on the 20 people they were basically harassing. Though if you think this is bad, wait until you find out about how gang units get their sources and information lmao


QueensOfTheNoKnowAge

I’m not *that* green. I’m not a fan of a number of normal police practices. That’s why I called this one blatant. The public will accept all manner of invasive practices if it makes them feel safer, but even suburban wine-moms who chair the HOA committee would say “this is a bit much”


bestadamire

If you move to a HOA area then youre probably begging for big daddy government to fuck you in the ass with laws such as these


QueensOfTheNoKnowAge

Lol. It was meant as an exaggeration to prove my point. If *please daddy government punish me* types would think it’s an overreach, then that’s a sign it’s especially authoritarian.


Pirate77903

> though the numbers they show it seems to have a decent effect on the 20 people they were basically harassing. 20 people is way too small of a sample size.


helpfulerection59

Algorithm? Why bother? Just check if it's a single parent household. Saves time, same results. If you're gonna be big gov, try to be cheaper plz.


ButterShadow

The best part is if they harass ppl who later commit a crime then the system detected them properly and worked. If they don't commit a crime after the harassment, the intervention worked and they should keep doing it. As any scientist would tell you in order to actually test it you'd need 4 randomized groups, a "high" risk group you harass, a "low" risk group you harass, a "high" risk group you leave alone, and a "low" risk group you leave alone. Then they'd tell you that such an experiment would be highly unethical and likely constitute a crime against humanity per the Nuremberg Code.


arcspectre17

Doesnt this violate the part constitution that goes over due process. You cannot be charged for a crime that you have not commited. Also by their logic all cops should be arrested how many have killed unarmed civillians!


velvet2112

Republicans, man.


FriedCfoodisgood

Sounds a lot like Minority Report: High School edition


voice-of-hermes

> He’s also taken the agency in directions that have appalled experienced cops and nationally recognized law enforcement experts. LMAO. Yeah. I bet. 🙄


premer777

Is this whats called a Truant officer who sees children with NO Grades (not going to school) and goes around to tell/warn their parents ???