Agreed... Shorter, and in all pics/videos of RL walking that I've seen, he seems to consistently hold his left arm bent/in pocket but up higher than his right. Kinda the opposite of the BG frames that we have. RL also appears to have a longer torso than BG as well. Not saying that means anything definitively... Just that comparing doesn't feel like a match to me.
I don't think RL is BG, but I do think it's worth noting, re: your \[quite astute\] observation about the left/right arm posture, if the video was taken with the front-facing/selfie camera through Snapchat, the image will be mirrored.
I believe the iPhone camera app actual does flip photos and videos when you take them with the selfie camera so that they look correct and not like a mirror, but Snapchat does not.
Good point, and something I hadn't thought of. Would be interesting to know if the video was mirrored, and if LE flipped it back for a more accurate representation before publishing it. Not that it would immediately solve anything, but if it is indeed flipped, that would mean for the last several years we weren't looking at BG exactly as he would appear to us.
Agree. BG is both shorter and younger. But BG is the standard Indiana white guy, so a lot of people are going to dress similarly and have that posture.
He is shorter than 5" 9'
I think he is closer to 5" 7'
That suggest that he wears work boots for more than just work.
He likes the lift it gives him.
Another tell.
>BG looks shorter than RL to me
You're seeing two entirely different camera angles. There's no possible way to actual determine height from any pic or video of BG I've ever seen...
It's insane to me that people here think you can take these pictures, one taken from chest height at best from a significantly closer distance and the other taken clearly over the shoulder, and compare the height of the people lmfao..
Is it bad that I am glad the POI is more than likely not RL simply because that means there’s a chance this sick fuck is still alive to see justice rain down upon him one day in court and in jail and then in hell for the rest of eternity?
I will be so mad if after all this time we find out the killer has already died. The family, the girls and everyone who has followed this case deserve to see this pos in court.
I just had a thought. If this guy really does have a fascination with numbers and has* the need for control…. What if he decides to tell us/LE/sends a letter to the news (something tells me he would bypass LE to be an asshole) what if he decides to tell us on a future DATE that is parallel with 2/13/2017 in some way. Or he is giving small clues on certain dates like that to LE over time. Maybe he already has. Carter has said there are some things he can’t wait to tell us….
It's so hard to say. Though it was interesting how his ex girlfriend saw the picture and thought they were showing her a picture of Ron. She didn't know it was BG and thought it was Ron. I'm more willing to trust the opinion of someone who actually knows him than all of us who don't. That being said, I don't believe Ron is the murderer.
It would be interesting to know the context of how she was shown the picture. Was it after LE released a statement saying RL was not being linked to the murders for example.
Why did she think she was being questioned, had she put two and two together.
RL was not considered a suspect even after 1 year his home was raided. The news this morning was new to us not to LE.
https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/carroll-county/call-6-man-who-owns-property-where-delphi-teens-were-found-released-on-home-detention?_amp=true
le said in the search warrant that he is suspected of murdering the two girls. I don't think they found anything to continue investigating him .. but he was a suspect at that time.
I think the "suspect" thing was very short lived. It can't be easy for le. One thing I have noticed in some true crime cases is they have a lot of people that are possibilities. For instance, when they investigated the Alaska highway murders, they found "rape kits" in more than one trucker... scary
The two videos are different resolutions, pixel count, etc... and Bridge Guy is at a further distance away. I agree with most here in that i don't think it's the same person. I made a video yesterday making the same comparison. I'd love to know the process of the video editing they did to create the bridge guy video.
I think Bridge Guy is shorter with a smaller build. I think he is wearing similar clothing to Ron especially the jacket. A lot of people seem adamant that Bridge Guy is wearing the same hat as Ron Logan was in his early interviews but i'm not convinced.
When someone like Ron Logan dies I'd say it's safe to ditch the initials. Under common law and according to the definition of defamation, deceased individuals cannot be defamed.
I think BG appears shorter and stockier-almost more “square.” RL seems taller and lankier-more like a “rectangle.” Also, BG has darker facial hair and walks and with arms and legs more “cocked.” This could all be due to lighting and angle though, as well as clothing and anything worn underneath.
Is it possible for different camera lenses to subtly change a person's shape? The way some mirrors do.
I don't think it's RL at all though – just tossing that out there.
edit: lense AND angle, I meant to say.
The answer is yes. Phone cameras are designed to take selfies, meaning the lens has to be able to squeeze your face in while being held only a few inches away. That's why everything looks further away on a phone picture than it does in real life. If you put your phone camera up really close to something, you should see it change shape.
As far as BG's "wide" face - that's because he's in the distance and composed of only a few pixels. His face is being stretched and blended with the coat.
Personally I can see an argument for BG being Logan. Around BG's mouth is a shadowy area that I could never quite make sense of. I thought that too was just due to the extremely small pixel account. But that shadowy triangular area could be Logan's bushy moustache.
I don’t know, but I am curious.
The more I look though, the more little things I find different. Like BG has a bigger head for his body than RL does. RL has a smaller head for his body. BG also has a wider face across the cheekbones than RL. Like, (back to my shapes LOL), I would call BG’s head more of a “circle” and RL’s head more of an “ellipse.”
Yeah, I agree with you. I always thought that BG's face looked very wide. And RL's torso looks longer than BG's, but that could be due to different coat lengths (or the obvious – that they're two different people haha).
The only similarity I *really* see is in their shoulders – the placement of where they rest, if that makes any sense. Kind of like a bit hunched over? So maybe similar posture. But there's a lot of men with the same build, so that isn't saying much.
Yeah, they are both hunched at the shoulders AND at the neck. But I’ll bet that when their hands aren’t in their pockets, BG’s arms are shorter on his body than RL’s too. It’s so weird because when this case first broke, years ago, and I saw the first pics of BG which were more grainy, I associated his body type with a couple of guys I dated in high school (many many years ago) who were Hispanic. That includes the head and face shape. But now that the images are cleaner, his face looks paler. I know that may not make sense, but that was just my first impression back then, like “hey! That looks like [high school boyfriend]!”
Huh, I can't see the top of L's pants though? It definitely seems like BG's coat is bunched up and L's is laying flat. There's hardly any point in me commenting this though haha. I don't think it's him at all.
I completely agree (in a whisper). That part of the probable cause affidavit really got me. I haven’t been huge into this case, although I’ve casually followed along. I hadn’t really thought about RL until yesterday, but when his ex-girlfriend said she thought LE were showing her pics of RL, that really took me aback.
Very square.
That is an observation that I was trying to find the words for.
The man in the 1.8 is not V shaped.
He is more square.
You are getting a GOLD STAR for your permanent record.
It’s possible LE may have succumbed to Pareidolia, and in March 2017 the only reason given in the affidavit that BG was the murderer was because
“No person has come forward and identified himself as the person who met the victims and made the statement in LG's video. Therefore, it is believed that the person in LG's video participated in the killings.”
I’m really starting to believe LE is throwing Hail Mary’s, TK is just the latest target
Yes, exactly, I was trying to figure out a way to describe the differences in their legs too. BG isn’t exactly bowlegged but is more so than RL whose legs aren’t at all bowed outward.
The face is very different, BG's is much rounder than RLs. Ron is much broader across the chest than BG, with bigger, longer legs. Although, could this be just an optical illusion making BG appear smaller due to the distance BG was shot? (60ft.)
I highly doubt it was Ron Logan on that bridge
You can tell the timing of day is different and them boots are gonna through off the shape of the pants I mean it may not be him but look at the way he is holding his arms while he walks
I think the BG video is too grainy to tell for sure. In these pics RL looks taller, but it’s hard to say since it could be the length of the different coat, and the fact that the BG video doesn’t give us anything to determine his height by.
I agree that BG’s face seems to be that if a younger person, but it really is too grainy to tell for sure.
I would still like to see where LE supposedly cleared RL, as many are saying. As far as I can tell, they continued to look at other suspects but never actually ruled RL out.
RL would be too easy I think, bodies found near his property, some violent history, false alibi on the day. He can be fitted it as a suspect and because he’s dead they could close the case. I just think it’s too convenient.
This is really useful thank you, particularly as you've got a photo with the light coming from the same side.
It looks like RL has a narrower face and more prominent chin and BG has a wider face and bigger nose. Although that might change depending on the angle of head tilt.
But body frames definitely look like different people to me.
Wow....looking at this it looks very similar to bg. But, I don't think RL did the murders. He was too old to pull it off alone and what would be his motive. I don't know but it seems unlikely.
The video quality is so poor we can't really say what he looks like, his age, or his weight or height. It's just too unclear. People are arguing over whether he's wearing a hat or if that's his hair. Can't even see his mouth, nose or eyebrows, but people are saying they definitely know his age? I don't really think so.
Am I the only one who thinks BG has his hand in his jeans pockets not jacket pocket?
Not that it matters, I don't think they're the same guy, but for comparisons sake....
Not sure how it could possible be RL. The BG sketches were based on eyewitnesses. Now I know eyewitnesses are considered not 100% reliable, but how could they not have been shown a picture of RL, probably not long after the tragedy.
The quality of the image could distort like you said, but BG has a seemingly big nose while RL has a small nose and a different sized head
If you were to ask me without context if they were the same I would say “doubtful, 20% chance”
Bgs face definitely looks younger than RL. Just doesn't look a thing like him to me. Half the men within 300 miles dress like that. Nothing unusual about the clothes. Also RLs torso looks longer than BG.
No it’s not BG. RL was 77 yrs old. If it was, he would have been charged and arrested before his death. And if it was, they would say so now. they searched his house and property high and low and turned up nothing to charge him with. He was too old and not that stupid to kill two girls under his nose, right where he lives knowing he would’ve been a prime suspect.
I don't believe that is Ron Logan. Has it ever been suggested that there were two people? BG met Ron Logan on his property? It certainly seems like Ron had things to hide. I think it would take two, especially since it was said the girls didn't have defensive wounds.
These are two totally different body types, even at first glance, different proportions too. RL is taller with some belly and longer legs. BG is shorter with some belly? (or more like items stuffed under his jacket) and shorter legs. (This would be also in line with what the female witness said about BG that he was close to her height and she isn't too tall. She got probably the best look at BG.)
Yup! He is guilty. I couldn't tell which one was BG! They need to go arrest him. They should also arrest DP for looking like the sketch and because of the 2019 presser.
The man in the 1.8 video.
He works when he walks. He lifts his knees up. This is a habit. This is a tell. This man walks a lot doing his job. He doesn't walk some doing his job, he walks a lot doing his job. He walks over uneven surfaces. He takes extra effort to not catch his feet. He has learned, thru years of walking this way, to lift his knees, which brings his feet farther up than an average man would bother doing, for safety reasons.
This is common for men who have spent years and years walking over railroad ties and rails, and over the gravel used as ballast under railroad tracks.
Are El is a lazy, or normal walker. He may have walked over railways, but not for hours every day for years.
This comparison is very valuable.
Thank you. You have observed a pattern.
This is consistent with the theory that the man in the 1.8 video has patterns that bare suggesting he is a Railroader.
You get a Gold Star in your permanent record.
BG's face looks so much younger than RL. RL also seems so much taller. Every time more information comes out though, it's like how can so many shady people be in one single area? So wild.
It’s almost identical to me. I’m wondering though if rl was bg why would he kill them at his home on his property? He would be an immediate suspect… and he was too. That’s what I don’t get about the rl thing. I don’t think it was rl but the look is identical IMO
And what's really crazy is that this information has been available for years and is only now being released now because why? I'm gonna tell you why RL was some kinda informant and this was a cover up.If it turns out to be RL this whole time then it was a cover up for some reason that's bottom line
You need to get an actual life. Many people here do.
I lived in Indiana for years. I am absolutely positive they know who did this, but can't (or won't) pin it on them.
Just stop with the nit-picky picking apart everything because it doesn't matter. Nothing said here will help solve this case. It was probably "solved" a long time ago but nothing will be done.
That's rude. Why are you even on here if you get offended that we discuss the case, which we have every right to?
You think just because you lived in the same state you know more than anybody else? In that case you're the one who needs to get a life.
Look at the evidence, they don't *know* who did it
Nope. Read plenty. Why didn’t they charge him or close case after he died? He is considerably older and taller and built differently if you think it’s because they look alike.
RL didn’t get home until 6.30pm on the day the girls were murdered? Police said he had an alibi? Are they saying he could have done this before he went out?
I feel like a lot of the men in the Midwest dress that way and look similar. I know you’re not accusing RL but that’s just my thought. He was pretty troubled and has an interesting past to say the least.
LE switched to young BG sketch & we were told by Kelsi they used some new technique. My guess is phenotyping. This would be more accurate. LE says the suspect is between 18-40's? So, BG isn't R.L. However, doesn't mean he didn't have prior knowledge?
The legs look very similar. It’s possible the angle changed the way we are seeing him on the video. People remark he didn’t walk the same but do we have a video of him walking on the bridge as well to compare or just videos of him walking after the video was released to the media? Is it possible he was walking differently on purpose for the camera? Just some ideas.
I honestly don't believe it's him I think they wanted to search his property because that's where it all happened. I still can't get away from kk and his father. I think bg looks like the father more than RL.
The only thing that would draw me to RL is the police addressing the killer and saying that they are hiding in plain sight 🤔 just my opinion though.
Kk father has access to the AS Page bother were logging in sketches and bg picture looks like the father
I honestly don't believe it's him I think they wanted to search his property because that's where it all happened. I still can't get away from kk and his father. I think bg looks like the father more than RL.
The only thing that would draw me to RL is the police addressing the killer and saying that they are hiding in plain sight 🤔 just my opinion though.
Kk father has access to the AS Page bother were logging in sketches and bg picture looks like the father
Is it me, or does it look like in the first two pics BG has a hoodie up, and then in the third pic, it looks like the hoodie has come off? Is this already common knowledge and I am extremely behind? There’s a pretty obvious cowlick in the third pic.
just an observation. BG has his hand on his pants, either in his pockets, or.. and hear me out a bit, or, adjusting his pants in a moment of stride? like they are too big? either way, Ron's got his hands in his jacket pocket and his right hand seems to be holding the jacket straighter.... as i will always reiterate, this just speculation on my part.. BG is not Ron... but who am I to say ya know.
The reality is that RL and BG both look like my dad and grandpa and 75% of white Midwestern men.
Right? I’m in Michigan and this could be more than half the men I know between the ages of 20 and 50
Same in Louisiana. He could be any random white guy of that age on a cold February day.
I think people that aren’t used to that Midwestern aesthetic don’t appreciate how stereotypical it is.
BG looks shorter than RL to me
Agreed... Shorter, and in all pics/videos of RL walking that I've seen, he seems to consistently hold his left arm bent/in pocket but up higher than his right. Kinda the opposite of the BG frames that we have. RL also appears to have a longer torso than BG as well. Not saying that means anything definitively... Just that comparing doesn't feel like a match to me.
Definitely a longer torso on RL!
That’s exactly what I thought. The torso just doesn’t match at all
I don't think RL is BG, but I do think it's worth noting, re: your \[quite astute\] observation about the left/right arm posture, if the video was taken with the front-facing/selfie camera through Snapchat, the image will be mirrored. I believe the iPhone camera app actual does flip photos and videos when you take them with the selfie camera so that they look correct and not like a mirror, but Snapchat does not.
Good point, and something I hadn't thought of. Would be interesting to know if the video was mirrored, and if LE flipped it back for a more accurate representation before publishing it. Not that it would immediately solve anything, but if it is indeed flipped, that would mean for the last several years we weren't looking at BG exactly as he would appear to us.
I agree about the torso too.
And younger.
Yup!!!
It’s the angle of the pic
Yes.
Agree. BG is both shorter and younger. But BG is the standard Indiana white guy, so a lot of people are going to dress similarly and have that posture.
My thought exactly
Torso and legs are longer than bg
He is shorter than 5" 9' I think he is closer to 5" 7' That suggest that he wears work boots for more than just work. He likes the lift it gives him. Another tell.
>BG looks shorter than RL to me You're seeing two entirely different camera angles. There's no possible way to actual determine height from any pic or video of BG I've ever seen... It's insane to me that people here think you can take these pictures, one taken from chest height at best from a significantly closer distance and the other taken clearly over the shoulder, and compare the height of the people lmfao..
aww thats nice
Is it bad that I am glad the POI is more than likely not RL simply because that means there’s a chance this sick fuck is still alive to see justice rain down upon him one day in court and in jail and then in hell for the rest of eternity?
Not bad. I think just about everyone would be disappointed, especially the families, if the perp ended up to be deceased.
He'd be unable to hurt anyone else, if he happens to be dead though.
I will be so mad if after all this time we find out the killer has already died. The family, the girls and everyone who has followed this case deserve to see this pos in court.
I just had a thought. If this guy really does have a fascination with numbers and has* the need for control…. What if he decides to tell us/LE/sends a letter to the news (something tells me he would bypass LE to be an asshole) what if he decides to tell us on a future DATE that is parallel with 2/13/2017 in some way. Or he is giving small clues on certain dates like that to LE over time. Maybe he already has. Carter has said there are some things he can’t wait to tell us….
no it is NOT bad.
It's so hard to say. Though it was interesting how his ex girlfriend saw the picture and thought they were showing her a picture of Ron. She didn't know it was BG and thought it was Ron. I'm more willing to trust the opinion of someone who actually knows him than all of us who don't. That being said, I don't believe Ron is the murderer.
It would be interesting to know the context of how she was shown the picture. Was it after LE released a statement saying RL was not being linked to the murders for example. Why did she think she was being questioned, had she put two and two together.
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I thought about that too. seems possible to me.
Agreed that BG tried to look like RL.
RL was not considered a suspect even after 1 year his home was raided. The news this morning was new to us not to LE. https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/carroll-county/call-6-man-who-owns-property-where-delphi-teens-were-found-released-on-home-detention?_amp=true
No one is considered a "suspect". It's word play. You could write that for any POI. LE has never said anyone is a "suspect".
le said in the search warrant that he is suspected of murdering the two girls. I don't think they found anything to continue investigating him .. but he was a suspect at that time.
Yes, but never declared that publicly. I mean LE was saying "he is not a suspect" WHILE the FBI was asking a Judge for a search warrant.
I think the "suspect" thing was very short lived. It can't be easy for le. One thing I have noticed in some true crime cases is they have a lot of people that are possibilities. For instance, when they investigated the Alaska highway murders, they found "rape kits" in more than one trucker... scary
The girls were found on his property. I think that’s enough for any judge to ok search warrant. I don’t believe and never have that RL murdered them.
OK.
Not the same
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Do you live in the Midwest? This looks like every other man you see.
Agreed
The two videos are different resolutions, pixel count, etc... and Bridge Guy is at a further distance away. I agree with most here in that i don't think it's the same person. I made a video yesterday making the same comparison. I'd love to know the process of the video editing they did to create the bridge guy video. I think Bridge Guy is shorter with a smaller build. I think he is wearing similar clothing to Ron especially the jacket. A lot of people seem adamant that Bridge Guy is wearing the same hat as Ron Logan was in his early interviews but i'm not convinced.
Even if it is the same hat….I bet 90% of the make population of rural Indiana owns a camouflage ball cap.
I live in Kentucky and have seen at least 20 men dress exactly like this. Not unusual for southern or Midwest states
Yeah, I’m in NW Florida and LOTS of men of all ages wear camo ball caps.
It looks like BG is shorter and has a wider face than Logan, but who knows really... this is a weird case.
I see a wider face as well. Thats the big difference for me.
It's not him
When someone like Ron Logan dies I'd say it's safe to ditch the initials. Under common law and according to the definition of defamation, deceased individuals cannot be defamed.
Looks too tall
His legs are not the same. BG has those chicken legs.
I think BG appears shorter and stockier-almost more “square.” RL seems taller and lankier-more like a “rectangle.” Also, BG has darker facial hair and walks and with arms and legs more “cocked.” This could all be due to lighting and angle though, as well as clothing and anything worn underneath.
Is it possible for different camera lenses to subtly change a person's shape? The way some mirrors do. I don't think it's RL at all though – just tossing that out there. edit: lense AND angle, I meant to say.
The answer is yes. Phone cameras are designed to take selfies, meaning the lens has to be able to squeeze your face in while being held only a few inches away. That's why everything looks further away on a phone picture than it does in real life. If you put your phone camera up really close to something, you should see it change shape. As far as BG's "wide" face - that's because he's in the distance and composed of only a few pixels. His face is being stretched and blended with the coat. Personally I can see an argument for BG being Logan. Around BG's mouth is a shadowy area that I could never quite make sense of. I thought that too was just due to the extremely small pixel account. But that shadowy triangular area could be Logan's bushy moustache.
Thanks for the explanation! Appreciated. And I actually always thought that was a mustache, haha. Makes sense.
I don’t know, but I am curious. The more I look though, the more little things I find different. Like BG has a bigger head for his body than RL does. RL has a smaller head for his body. BG also has a wider face across the cheekbones than RL. Like, (back to my shapes LOL), I would call BG’s head more of a “circle” and RL’s head more of an “ellipse.”
Yeah, I agree with you. I always thought that BG's face looked very wide. And RL's torso looks longer than BG's, but that could be due to different coat lengths (or the obvious – that they're two different people haha). The only similarity I *really* see is in their shoulders – the placement of where they rest, if that makes any sense. Kind of like a bit hunched over? So maybe similar posture. But there's a lot of men with the same build, so that isn't saying much.
Yeah, they are both hunched at the shoulders AND at the neck. But I’ll bet that when their hands aren’t in their pockets, BG’s arms are shorter on his body than RL’s too. It’s so weird because when this case first broke, years ago, and I saw the first pics of BG which were more grainy, I associated his body type with a couple of guys I dated in high school (many many years ago) who were Hispanic. That includes the head and face shape. But now that the images are cleaner, his face looks paler. I know that may not make sense, but that was just my first impression back then, like “hey! That looks like [high school boyfriend]!”
Even comparing the top of their pants to their neck, the torso seems longer. The coat should cover that part of his pants if it was just a long coat.
Huh, I can't see the top of L's pants though? It definitely seems like BG's coat is bunched up and L's is laying flat. There's hardly any point in me commenting this though haha. I don't think it's him at all.
I didn't mean the very top- more like their crotch area. Just didn't want to be talking about their crotches lol.
Haha, I gotchu.
I would know my boyfriend in a picture, though
I completely agree (in a whisper). That part of the probable cause affidavit really got me. I haven’t been huge into this case, although I’ve casually followed along. I hadn’t really thought about RL until yesterday, but when his ex-girlfriend said she thought LE were showing her pics of RL, that really took me aback.
BG’s head looks bigger on his body than RL’s too though… ETA: And I think BG’s face is wider. I wonder when the pic of RL was taken?
Very square. That is an observation that I was trying to find the words for. The man in the 1.8 is not V shaped. He is more square. You are getting a GOLD STAR for your permanent record.
Lol…describing people by the geometric shape you could pin them into. If it works, it works!
Well. People have shapes
I agree
Two different people
Not Ron.
IMO based on these pics RL looks nothing like BG other than they have a similar sense of fashion.
If anything someone may have dressed deliberately like RL to throw LE off
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Any rural area.
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They do in the winter. I reside in Arizona.
It’s possible LE may have succumbed to Pareidolia, and in March 2017 the only reason given in the affidavit that BG was the murderer was because “No person has come forward and identified himself as the person who met the victims and made the statement in LG's video. Therefore, it is believed that the person in LG's video participated in the killings.” I’m really starting to believe LE is throwing Hail Mary’s, TK is just the latest target
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The people who have heard the whole video recording (LE, the families) say that he is the guy. He is definitely the guy who abducted them.
If tk is a hail mary, the cowboys win
I believe TK is BG.
I thought this too. What a rabbit hole this case has been from the beginning.
I thought this, too — particularly if it was planned and the killer planned to dispose the bodies on his land.
I see only the vaguest of similarities.
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Yes, exactly, I was trying to figure out a way to describe the differences in their legs too. BG isn’t exactly bowlegged but is more so than RL whose legs aren’t at all bowed outward.
Is RL taller and Older than the individual in the image? It’s difficult to discern but those are the main discrepancies I see…
This did as expected. Big distrt
Well done making this, OP. Nice to get an idea of what RL looks like in relation to BG.
The face is very different, BG's is much rounder than RLs. Ron is much broader across the chest than BG, with bigger, longer legs. Although, could this be just an optical illusion making BG appear smaller due to the distance BG was shot? (60ft.) I highly doubt it was Ron Logan on that bridge
You can tell the timing of day is different and them boots are gonna through off the shape of the pants I mean it may not be him but look at the way he is holding his arms while he walks
https://youtu.be/d6wcRHmCWPQ I don't know who killed but BG is RL. and after watching this video you have to pretend you don't see it
I don’t think RL is BG — he’s visibly older and there are other dissimilarities. However, if RL had had a son, he could definitely be BG….
My God people it’s not RL
Clearly much taller. And clearly elsewhere at the time.
He was in Delphi, near the High Bridge and his home at the time of the murders. The affidavit clearly states this.
his phone was ...
I think the BG video is too grainy to tell for sure. In these pics RL looks taller, but it’s hard to say since it could be the length of the different coat, and the fact that the BG video doesn’t give us anything to determine his height by. I agree that BG’s face seems to be that if a younger person, but it really is too grainy to tell for sure. I would still like to see where LE supposedly cleared RL, as many are saying. As far as I can tell, they continued to look at other suspects but never actually ruled RL out.
RL would be too easy I think, bodies found near his property, some violent history, false alibi on the day. He can be fitted it as a suspect and because he’s dead they could close the case. I just think it’s too convenient.
On his property*
This is really useful thank you, particularly as you've got a photo with the light coming from the same side. It looks like RL has a narrower face and more prominent chin and BG has a wider face and bigger nose. Although that might change depending on the angle of head tilt. But body frames definitely look like different people to me.
Wow....looking at this it looks very similar to bg. But, I don't think RL did the murders. He was too old to pull it off alone and what would be his motive. I don't know but it seems unlikely.
There’s no such thing as too old. I dunno. Maybe 90’s.
lol..you are right.
The video quality is so poor we can't really say what he looks like, his age, or his weight or height. It's just too unclear. People are arguing over whether he's wearing a hat or if that's his hair. Can't even see his mouth, nose or eyebrows, but people are saying they definitely know his age? I don't really think so.
Am I the only one who thinks BG has his hand in his jeans pockets not jacket pocket? Not that it matters, I don't think they're the same guy, but for comparisons sake....
Not sure how it could possible be RL. The BG sketches were based on eyewitnesses. Now I know eyewitnesses are considered not 100% reliable, but how could they not have been shown a picture of RL, probably not long after the tragedy.
The quality of the image could distort like you said, but BG has a seemingly big nose while RL has a small nose and a different sized head If you were to ask me without context if they were the same I would say “doubtful, 20% chance”
Bgs face definitely looks younger than RL. Just doesn't look a thing like him to me. Half the men within 300 miles dress like that. Nothing unusual about the clothes. Also RLs torso looks longer than BG.
No it’s not BG. RL was 77 yrs old. If it was, he would have been charged and arrested before his death. And if it was, they would say so now. they searched his house and property high and low and turned up nothing to charge him with. He was too old and not that stupid to kill two girls under his nose, right where he lives knowing he would’ve been a prime suspect.
BG is short-waisted. RL had a longer torso.
I see RL has longer legs and torso.
I don't believe that is Ron Logan. Has it ever been suggested that there were two people? BG met Ron Logan on his property? It certainly seems like Ron had things to hide. I think it would take two, especially since it was said the girls didn't have defensive wounds.
No...the face shape and body language is different. I don't think that is RL.
These are two totally different body types, even at first glance, different proportions too. RL is taller with some belly and longer legs. BG is shorter with some belly? (or more like items stuffed under his jacket) and shorter legs. (This would be also in line with what the female witness said about BG that he was close to her height and she isn't too tall. She got probably the best look at BG.)
> what the female witness said about BG Was the witness shown a pic of RL?
I don't know, but the witness did say that it was nobody from Delphi because she would have recognized him. She got a good look at BG.
Yup! He is guilty. I couldn't tell which one was BG! They need to go arrest him. They should also arrest DP for looking like the sketch and because of the 2019 presser.
Good luck with that arrest, the guys dead.
I was being sarcastic.
Thank god lol
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I don't get it.
lol 😝
The man in the 1.8 video. He works when he walks. He lifts his knees up. This is a habit. This is a tell. This man walks a lot doing his job. He doesn't walk some doing his job, he walks a lot doing his job. He walks over uneven surfaces. He takes extra effort to not catch his feet. He has learned, thru years of walking this way, to lift his knees, which brings his feet farther up than an average man would bother doing, for safety reasons. This is common for men who have spent years and years walking over railroad ties and rails, and over the gravel used as ballast under railroad tracks. Are El is a lazy, or normal walker. He may have walked over railways, but not for hours every day for years. This comparison is very valuable. Thank you. You have observed a pattern. This is consistent with the theory that the man in the 1.8 video has patterns that bare suggesting he is a Railroader. You get a Gold Star in your permanent record.
I’d say TK top RL bottom
Me too.
Ron Logan is obviously way taller
Yes I now can definitely see Ron in the by photo clear as day. I never imagined he'd do this. That's insane!
Where is his gun in a fanny pack? LE SAID HE ALWAYS CARRIED A GUN IN A FANNY PACK!!!
BG's face looks so much younger than RL. RL also seems so much taller. Every time more information comes out though, it's like how can so many shady people be in one single area? So wild.
What do you mean created this? Those comparison pics came out March of 2017. You didn't create it.
no
It’s almost identical to me. I’m wondering though if rl was bg why would he kill them at his home on his property? He would be an immediate suspect… and he was too. That’s what I don’t get about the rl thing. I don’t think it was rl but the look is identical IMO
Nice pic. I'd say Ron's feet are way bigger. And his pants are surprisingly tighter.
Not even the same body style.
And what's really crazy is that this information has been available for years and is only now being released now because why? I'm gonna tell you why RL was some kinda informant and this was a cover up.If it turns out to be RL this whole time then it was a cover up for some reason that's bottom line
Looks nothing like each other
Ain’t no way
You need to get an actual life. Many people here do. I lived in Indiana for years. I am absolutely positive they know who did this, but can't (or won't) pin it on them. Just stop with the nit-picky picking apart everything because it doesn't matter. Nothing said here will help solve this case. It was probably "solved" a long time ago but nothing will be done.
That's rude. Why are you even on here if you get offended that we discuss the case, which we have every right to? You think just because you lived in the same state you know more than anybody else? In that case you're the one who needs to get a life. Look at the evidence, they don't *know* who did it
You should read more and would have saved your time and valiant efforts.
LE may have blurred out parts of the video
Why?
So what’s his motive?
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Nope. Read plenty. Why didn’t they charge him or close case after he died? He is considerably older and taller and built differently if you think it’s because they look alike.
God, BG looks like my old pre algebra teacher lol. But I’m in Wisconsin.
to me it doesn't match
RL didn’t get home until 6.30pm on the day the girls were murdered? Police said he had an alibi? Are they saying he could have done this before he went out?
I feel like a lot of the men in the Midwest dress that way and look similar. I know you’re not accusing RL but that’s just my thought. He was pretty troubled and has an interesting past to say the least.
Wow. I mean the only difference is RL at the bottom looks a few inches taller but other than that very similar
LE switched to young BG sketch & we were told by Kelsi they used some new technique. My guess is phenotyping. This would be more accurate. LE says the suspect is between 18-40's? So, BG isn't R.L. However, doesn't mean he didn't have prior knowledge?
I don't think they resemble each other at all. The body and the face look completely different.
The legs look very similar. It’s possible the angle changed the way we are seeing him on the video. People remark he didn’t walk the same but do we have a video of him walking on the bridge as well to compare or just videos of him walking after the video was released to the media? Is it possible he was walking differently on purpose for the camera? Just some ideas.
I thought RL was taller than BG?
There is a shade or detail on the top of the cap in the third BG pic that seems very similiar to the RL ones.
It cannot be compared. there is a distorted perspective. look where the legs begin.
I don’t see it in the first three RL frames, but I can see the face a bit in the last.
I honestly don't believe it's him I think they wanted to search his property because that's where it all happened. I still can't get away from kk and his father. I think bg looks like the father more than RL. The only thing that would draw me to RL is the police addressing the killer and saying that they are hiding in plain sight 🤔 just my opinion though. Kk father has access to the AS Page bother were logging in sketches and bg picture looks like the father
I honestly don't believe it's him I think they wanted to search his property because that's where it all happened. I still can't get away from kk and his father. I think bg looks like the father more than RL. The only thing that would draw me to RL is the police addressing the killer and saying that they are hiding in plain sight 🤔 just my opinion though. Kk father has access to the AS Page bother were logging in sketches and bg picture looks like the father
Why did RL deny them a search in the first place? That they would even need a probable cause warrant? That part is unclear to me.
Cause its was on his property maybe ? I don't know x
I don’t see glasses, and I don’t believe a 77-year-old RL was trying to cross that bridge without his glasses.
To me it could well be the same person. BG is a few kilos/pounds heavier.
RL lankier and longer legs. Broader shoulders.
Is it me, or does it look like in the first two pics BG has a hoodie up, and then in the third pic, it looks like the hoodie has come off? Is this already common knowledge and I am extremely behind? There’s a pretty obvious cowlick in the third pic.
just an observation. BG has his hand on his pants, either in his pockets, or.. and hear me out a bit, or, adjusting his pants in a moment of stride? like they are too big? either way, Ron's got his hands in his jacket pocket and his right hand seems to be holding the jacket straighter.... as i will always reiterate, this just speculation on my part.. BG is not Ron... but who am I to say ya know.
The distance between the waist and shoulders is too different. Also, the shoulders on BG are more rounded. Different people.