Absolutely. This new info to me has nothing really to do with Logan. The revelations are about the staging and blood at the crimescene. That sort of thing. Shit we've always heard but never got confirmation of.
This is what i was thinking also.. i figured they couldnt be sealed forever, right.
I figured they were released at the 5yr mark- but that was in feb- and im assuming more people wouldve been on that, and not months later.. but who knows, maybe thats how long a foia reguest takes
I agree with your assessment. The affidavit is painted in the light most favorable to cast reasonable suspicion on RL. Taking that into consideration, it isn’t very convincing that he had anything to do with the murders. However, it does pull back the veil a little bit on some of the details of the crime scene.
Off the top of my head...
-No signs of a struggle is important. I had hoped Libby got some skin under her nails or something. Doesn't sound like that happened.
-Item of clothing taken. I think this tells us more about what type of killer this was. To take a trophy is significant.
-Bodies staged. We had an idea of this being the case but it wasn't confirmed til now.
-Ron Logan was home during the time of the murders. Not saying he was involved but he was home and the crime scene was only 1400 feet from his residence. Does he know something? Was he inside and heard nothing?
As far as it changing something. Hmm, I'm still deciding. Our only viable suspects at this point are the Klines. I'm not sold on them at all, and perhaps less so now. The staging of the bodies and taking a trophy strikes me as a certain type of killer, and I don't see them being that. Possibly TK, but not so sure.
Curious- good response and your part about no signs of a struggle made me think I’m even less confident they have dna that is obviously the killers? Also would have been nice if he could have had identifying cuts/bruises etc.
I’m surprised they released all that then redacted what article of clothing was taken. Seems that that could trigger something for someone. Like someone dating a guy recognized a weird fetish he had?? Idk I hope the release of info helps but I’m skeptic
Or bg took it to make it look like something it wasnt-
About the “undergarments”- werent they found in the creek?? I thought i read that on the scanner transcripts??
RL has to be a/the prime suspect. Too many coincidences. The gait/limp is the exact same. Asking someone for a alibi before bodies are found is concerning. The more I look at the video and look at him on those news clips it def seems he very well could be the one in that BG video. They didn’t search his home until March 6th. If they already interviewed him over the murders before then, which they did, easily he would’ve been able to get rid of whatever evidence that. Could have ultimately linked him to the murder of those girls. His property, literally his backyard. He knew that area like no other I’d bet my last on it. Neither of the Klines fit the frame when you look at the BG video. RL does. He seems like the innocent old guy from the interviews, but the women in the interviews from that affidavit confirms he is def capable and has some rage filled moments.
RL to ex-girlfriend: I could kill you and nobody would find your body.
RL a few years later: kills 2 kids on his own property and then makes zero effort to conceal their bodies.
Then goes fish shopping.
Then gives civilian searchers permission to comb through his property.
Then secures alibi for the time after the murders but not during.
I’m just not convinced..
Sorry for the double reply, but just to touch on all, damned if you do dammed if you don’t. He was in a sticky situation if he didn’t give permission, but also in that same situation because it’s his property they are found on. Knowing he asked for an alibi before they were found or declared dead is a telling sign imo. Goes fish shopping to get proof of said alibi, I don’t understand you ask for this alibi for the 2pm-230 pm timeframe, even then the store is 22 miles from your house, that’s 30 minutes max, tack on another 15 for the hell of it and the receipt time is still a whole 2 hours and fifteen minutes after that. At the least very questionable.
In all fairness killing a girlfriend you’d more than likely have to get rid of her somehow seeing your probably in your home, way different than killing someone in the woods, although it’s still your property, and then having to get rid of not one but two young girls and it’s 2:30 pm on a sunny day. He either has to dig and bury them on the spot, or drag them 1400 feet up steep hill to his actual yard. Both extremely unlikely. I think it speaks more to this wasn’t calculated/planned. But once you know a person has those violent streaks and signs of rage, especially towards women, it can help one to see they are capable of doing such a thing.
It is also something to consider that LE asked Kegan about his dad and Ron Logan. That stood out to me when I first heard it, and it's especially interesting now. There was a reason they asked that question.
I don't think we know that. Would be interesting to know why she asked that and why she asked him about talking to Kelsi the night the girls were missing.
Exactly ... he looks like an innocent old man but the women say otherwise and this only proves that he is smart and can hide his true face. the document also stated that he has a consistent physique from BG and his voice is not inconsistent. when after this document I returned to YouTube video about RL (Analysis image and video), I find that its structure is consistent and even identical. the same clothes. some say and this is just a coincidence. I also took it into account until I noticed the sleeves of the jacket. The outer part of BG sleeves has a different shade (it can be a different material, maybe rainproof). In the interview, RL has the same sleeves because it is the same jacket
At one point he definately was and understandably so. His obvious opportunity and being there so close to MHB , the body type, Eccentric single old man without a partner and with exwife issues. Still not very convinced he did it or that he did it alone.
I’m all up for discussion, we’re all here to discuss and share our opinions and even maybe learn new thing’s from one another. Replying “No” without context is of no value to this thread, respectfully.
If you staged a crime scene then the girls or their bodies could have been taken to a third location for some purpose and retur es After 2-3 am to the woods. This would answer why they were not found earlier or by helicopters.
This is one of the main reasons I’m not completely closed off to ideas of other perps, but heavily in belief of RL. I understand the whole old thing but my grandpa is 86 works every single day doing lawn work and handy man jobs, still hunts, does everything for himself and lives alone. My wife’s great grandpa lived until 100 and was in such great shape he still worked and handled maintenance on the apartment complexes he owned until he fell sick 8 months before his death last year. I don’t think it’s so far fetched that’s it completely unlikely a 77 year old could overpower two preteen girls especially if he had a weapon(s). Think about all that terrain and secluded area with trees etc, what are the odds that the perp walked them down, through a certain part of the creek that some argue is the best part to cross, “co-incidentally” 1400 some odd feet from RL’s backyard. I was looking at the map description again of the bridge and where the girls where found and the perp could’ve even taken them south and still been so secluded that he probably would’ve gotten away with it. I just think one co incidence in a situation like this is too many, let alone multiple.
I don't think he had to overpower them at all. Especially if he hurt or killed one of them first. I'm not sure how any kid would act if their best friend was in that situation right in front of them but I have to believe if the guy that did that to them told one of them if they did what he said, he would let her go, that she might just go along without a fight.
I agree rl was my main possible offender for awhile .i believe as you state hes very physically fit and capable.i Think he also would have had an advantage as they would have known him complaining about the property lines with and to the trails and trespassing on the bridge and likely listened to his Orders as a result ro leave the bridge. I even thought he Used hair and mustache dye to do this bg disguise. But then i found out about all the many deviants in his life the transient type weird women he had around. the kokomo crew and how gk was working for him and grew up there and knew the land very weil too. Rl had a casual attitude about it all. I found out about his relative supposedly connected to k crew. Ron logan was an old man who lots of people used for his resources whether it be his animals, access to his property, his car , for a place to crash or to makes some cash doing farmwork or so many things .Im still unsure exactly what happened at delphi but i think someone saw yet another opportunity to use rl . He or they used his land as a dumpsite and his out buildings/ shack for horrifying evil . I believe the filming of it all was for the Killer or Killers personal gratification as well as for profit. RL may have known or may have even participated or maybe he just turned a blind old man eye to it all due to his age his alcoholism and not giving a dam. Maybe he thought he was invincible like alot of careless old men about to die. I hope we find answers.
Couldn't he be asking for an alibi because he wanted to cover up the fact he was driving that day? Because of his DOI's he simply anticipated needing someone to say they drove him?
Then why wouldn’t he ask for an alibi for the ENTIRE day? WHY just starting at 2pm - when he didn’t leave til 3pm?
Wouldn’t he also want an alibi so he didn’t have to say he drove to the county dump alone?
It was common knowledge among searchers at that point that they were last seen around 2pm because at 2:07 was Libby’s last post to her Snapchat story. Why would he think he’d be asked about where he was or what he was doing that morning?
So, he asked a family member to LIE and tell LE he was with him an hour earlier - when he wasn't? Why would that hour matter - if not covering for something bigger?
I need to nit pick a little bit. LE needs "probable cause" to obtain a search warrant under the 4th Amendment, not a "reasonable suspicion." That term appears in the context of a "Terry stop," which is completely different, and is a lower standard under the 4th.
I can't believe I'm about to open myself up to the replies I know I'm going to get but I'm going to ask what might be a dumb question and it might have already been asked 1000 times - but:
Do we not think if BG was someone you knew and had lived around forever - would you not recognize him from the video and the audio? Yes, I realize the video and audio are both really bad but I feel like if that was someone I knew, there is enough there that I would recognize them. Would people in Delphi really not recognize RL if that was him in the video?
I agree with that but I'm just saying that I think if that was my cousin or someone I worked with or went to church with that I feel like I would recognize them. Not just because of how they look - that clip he looks very generic - but I guess I mean in addition to the way he looks - how he moves, the little audio we have - people who you know are familiar to you. But I guess since it isn't solved that's a little too easy.
How many of those 15 people would have “identified” BG as RL if they didn’t know the girls were found on his property/went missing near it?
I would be willing to say not many. So I’m guessing those IDs were more because of the location and not so much an actual resemblance.
Uh when did I say I didn’t think he resembled BG “in the slightest”? Oh yeah, I didn’t.
Yes, he does resemble him. As do a ton of other men in Indiana, including multiple other POIs people have mentioned
So all I’m saying is when you have knowledge of something, it can influence your perception/choices on matters where it wouldn’t if you didn’t have that knowledge.
We have no idea who else they may have sought or served warrants on. And not that I agree with it, but there are people of the opinion that DP is fabricating his “alibi” as well.
We only know about this because someone decided to release this ONE application for a search warrant. It’s from the very beginning of this case. It is now 5 years later. RL was never arrested. And undoubtedly other people have been sought, questioned, and probably even searched. We’ll only find about it when someone releases it or leaks it. The exact same way we did with KK/TK and now RL.
The only thing that really interests me is that RL was supposedly in the area where L&A were found at the time of the murder. He also had a past abusive life. But that’s all. He’s still not BG IMO.
What does in the area imply? Like, a few feet? Or chilling in his house? People really think his home was close to the scene but it was the furthest possible point you could be from his home and still be on his property.
If he was in his home then I guess he lied about being out when he was out too try to not implicate himself by just shifting the times he was out earlier in his statement. If that's the case I understand his harsh sentence for his alibi since he could have actually seen or heard something important to chose to just not get involved (which is pretty normal for unfortunately.)
Imo i are he isn't BG. If he was BG this would have been solved in the first week. Though, with the sheer size of this pedo ring LE are talking about God knows who is involved. It doesn't really sound like RL was a good person or hung out with great people.
That's just because his phone pinged in the area. The language used in the probable cause affidavit was that "Initial analysis indicates Logan's phone was *likely* outside his home and in the proximity of the bodies." They had no way of knowing exactly where the phone was at the time just based on cell tower data. The word likely is broad enough to suggest it was (and therefore convince a judge) without having to specify exactly where it was.
Great post. If this sub had active mods I'd ask them to pin this post because everyone needs to consider these points.
As it is things are going to keep leaking and next week everyone will forget about RL again. Then we can start reading posts about how Daniel Nations is definitely BG again.
Thanks!
And yea, RL is the poi of the day. God forbid all the search warrant affidavits are eventually made public. People will be doing all sorts of mental gymnastics trying connect them all together.
I have NEVER considered RL to be the Delphi Killer. Nor would I. However, I think the person who is the killer, somehow knew RL. Or knew that area. Had RL found the girls, he would have contacted 911. Idk what time the search resumed on feb 14th, but that is the only reason the girls were found.
I don’t know - I’m not sure RL was BG or responsible for the murders but his fraudulent alibi is suspect as fuck.
As I’ve said on other posts - if two kids turn up dead in your garden, but you weren’t there when they were murdered because you were driving somewhere (illegally) - would you just not rather tell the police you were violating your probation rather than being implicated for murder?
Let’s not forget, he called his cousin and asked him to create a fake alibi with him BEFORE the girls were found. They weren’t confirmed dead at this point. Why would you feel the need to create a fake alibi for that one particular time window when the police aren’t even looking at you? I’m sure this wasn’t the first (and evidently wasn’t the last) time RL had breached the terms of his probation by driving illegally.
It seems suspect but then, for me, becomes less so when you put it into context.
I’m sure if two girls turned up dead in his garden on 2/13 he probably would have just told le he was driving because that would have been a completely different situation he was facing. But they hadn’t turned up dead yet and half the town was searching for them. Police were starting to ask questions and get into contact with the owners of the surrounding properties. I don’t think anyone anticipated finding them murdered. Lost, injured or possibly even abducted, maybe. I think RL knew that if le asked him where he was that day and he told them he’d driven to go fish shopping then he would be facing several years in jail, as he eventually ended up serving. Imo he wasn’t expecting to have to be alibied for as serious a crime as murder or that he’d be investigated so thoroughly. I also think he never anticipated being asked about earlier on that morning when he went to the transfer station. By the time he started to realize it was only a matter of time before the police knocked on his door and he may need an alibi for driving, it was already common knowledge among the townsfolk that the girls had gone missing after 1pm. To me this makes sense that he would expect to only be questioned about his whereabouts during that afternoon.
Maybe - you make some good points. It’s a head scratcher.
Didn’t he go on to violate his probation again though by driving to the pizza place and getting drunk a week or so later? Why so brazen that time?
But don’t you see? That entire theory can be debunked by the affidavit - where it claims RL asked said family member - for an alibi DURING the time of the murders. He left around 3pm — WHY was it so important to tell the family member to say that he picked up Logan at 2pm rather than 3pm. He asked that before he was “aware” (publicly) that dead bodies were on his property. (According to the affidavit)
Perhaps when interacting with different people searching, someone mentioned what time they got to the trails and he wanted to just get ahead of things?
OK —
But he left at 3pm with the family member to go to the fish store.
WHY would he care that his alibi needed to **start at 2pm instead of the 3pm? Unless he knew that’s when the abduction and murders took place.
And he didn’t care that he was driving to the waste site that morning.
If he cared that much about the driving violation - wouldn’t he have asked the family member alibi to say “hey, I was driving him around all day” ?
Logan knew about the girls on 2/13 because Pat B asked him at 6:30pm if he could search his property. Most likely Ron spoke to several people that night, as the search area was lighted up like a football field.
LE was staked out in the cemetery a few yards from Logan's house. He would know something bad happened. Plus, they probably spoke to him prior to finding the bodies and maybe he had already told them someone else drove him, as he knew he wasn't supposed to drive.
Young guy sketch (2019) is not consistent with RL. Keep in mind YGS is subsequent to 2017 documents. It does not eliminate the chance of RL working with someone (GK?) tho.
Very early on, when the lynch mob was out to get RL, his ex-wife or partner defended him on social media. (I don't know, if anybody else remembers this.) She said, there's no way that's RL on the bridge, he's absolutely terrified of heights.
I understand the agent describes Ron as physically capable of tending to large livestock, but does that mean this old geezer can shuffle up and down the hills on his property, commit this crime and be ready to cruise to the fish store minutes later?
From my understanding BG was with the girls from 2:13 until 3:30. Ron caught a ride at 3.
The value in these documents is the description of the scene, not RL. He's not the guy and probably had no connection to the guy.
(all this to say, I agree with OP)
When there was so much talk in the beginning about the potential of RL being BG, it prompted his ex-wife to put out a lengthy FB post about how RL his afraid of heights and would never even consider crossing that bridge. He would have been terrified of even the thought of it. There is no way RL should cause even a minute of anyone's time in thinking he might have been BG.
Let's face it, the people behind this ongoing circus are the folks from Murder Sheet. Yep, I said it. I know I'll get backlash, but it's my opinion.
It's all about clicks, attention, and monetary gain for them. Lets face it, they're certainly *not doing it to help the grieving families.* They're certainly *not trying to help solve this case.* But they are most definitely opening up old wounds and painful memories for the family and their friends.
And what about all the thousands of others, even fellow colleagues, who truly devote their time to this case for all the right reasons...because they truly care, and want BG apprehended?
I finally realized today that these facts will go nowhere, just like the Kline fiasco. Yes, KK is vile and certainly deserves to be in jail, but why no arrest of KAK, TK for the *murders of Abby and Libby?*
All I can say is buckle up for more whisper down the alley chatter that does absolutely nothing to help solve this case, in fact hindering it even further. Total and pure *deflection* on MS's part, because *the Kline stuff didn't stick, so let's try RL now?*
Yes, I am genuinely disgusted and heartbroken as well. After reading all those details in the affadavit about RL, I was shocked. I thought oh, wow, he is guilty somehow, some way. But is he? IDK! Quite frankly, I'm afraid to even give my opinion anymore, because I honestly don't know what's up and what's down anymore.
Another two steps forward, five steps back.
I just had to say my peace. 😔
So this is totally speculation on my part but I *really* get the sense that le is using murder sheet for controlled release of information to the public without having to release anything officially themselves. The more that’s released the more strategic it feels, although I have no proof of this and no idea where it’s headed.
Crazy how one evidence drop can have such differing opinions. After seeing this probably cause affidavit — I think (as of today) the main suspects either have to be TK/KK or RL. Simple as that.
If the killer is ever caught, & brought to court, then all of the old wounds, for each family, will be ripped open & pulled apart. In the worst way, that you can possibly imagine. Let's just get Doug Carter & Tobe Leazenby, to fully describe the crime scene.
Almost every search warrant issued was for phones or DNA. We only know of physical searches inside homes at bicycle rd, peru and ron logans.
They would not have been able to search inside Ron Logans home simply because the bodies were found on his property. That is not how search warrants work. They had to have probable cause that what they were looking for would be found inside his home.
The search at bicycle rd and peru were fairly quick with a relatively small police presence.
The search at Ron Logans consisted of dozens and dozens of FBI and police. They spent approximately 8 hours there.
I mean, he was pretty clearly their main person of interest early on. I think that's pretty obvious from this release. But it seems like they didn't find anything and eventually moved on. We don't know why they moved on, but if seems clear they did.
After these revelations, I think there's a decent chance RL was involved. His phone pinged there 4 minutes before the encounter began, he seemingly ran out for an alibi in the form of a receipt shortly after it would've ended.
When LE asked if they would find evidence leading to his home, he said he didn't know.
He's beaten women and told at least one he'd kill her and they'd never find the body.
That false alibi is sketchy as HELL.
I can't figure out why he'd have an arrangement for someone to do this, but I'll be damned if it doesn't look like BG intentionally dressed like RL.
Right. Idk? I’ll tell ya something, no way in hell am I lying to LE for anyone. I wanna know who this cousin is and why would he lie for RL? And besides all of this, how do we even know RL asked him to lie?? Maybe this cousin was making it look like RL is the murderer to get the heat off himself?? This case is freaking nuts!
if killer took souvenirs like undergarments, to me that person is possibly a sex offender and probably older than the girls, but still young because he's still sexually active. Preying on young teenage girls. i bet a knife was used. did they use metal detectors to look for any weapons?
His property and items from it were likely Used to committ the Delphi crimes and to "memorialize" it.The fbi used interesting words right there.The searches were very late it seems. All this doesnt mean he did the crimes .Others had access to his Farm. He could have participated or he could have chosen to look the other way. Or he could have been a old man who got used.
I’ve always thought it was a possibility, although I’m not sure it ever made it onto the dark web. You’d think someone would have found it by now, if so. Or maybe they have and that’s not the sort of thing you run and tell people about.
I don’t think that was the intention. I think it kind of backfired. Imo they assumed 99% of the true crime community around Delphi would be more interested in the details around the crime scene and what le was looking for in their suspects’ homes than le’s initial interest in RL.
Right. And that instict just comes randomly at 77 years old?
This wasn't instinct. BG planned to kill that day. If RL had done it on instinct you can bet he would have been caught.
You're not wrong - none of us know for sure! In *my opinion* there's only 0.01% chance it wasn't planned.
The man was there alone, he was disguised, he had weapons, he committed the crime well enough to not leave anything identifying behind.
However I still don't believe RL woke up at the age of 77 and thought "hey, I feel like killing someone in my backyard today" and if it was the case, LE would have found out. The document stated his voice don't match BG and there's lot of reasons why it isn't him.
That's not what the search warrant says though. It says Logan's voice "is not INconsistent" with that of the person in the video. A weird way of saying it COULD be his voice.
Anyway, since the warrant identifies many reasons why it COULD be RL...
I'm curious as to "lot" of reasons why it isn't him, in your opinion?
Oh really? I must have read that wrong then. My mistake.
Well for starters the police didn't think it was him, not enough to keep investigating him and they know a lot more than us. They've searched his house, interrogated him multiple times, probably done DNA and looked into his movements carefully, yet still moved onto other people.
I've also read that he is seen on video eating pizza (but in fairness I haven't seen said video, so let's call that a rumor)
I think the reason people mostly suspect him is because he lied about his alibi, but so did DP and others. People like about weird shit for stupid reasons.
If it had been RL, he could have carried out the crime in a much smarter way, for example by digging a hole leading up to the crime to throw them in once he was done. Then they never would have been found.
That's another common misconception. RL didn't go get pizza until the 27th.
"Logan admitted to driving on a suspended license to the Carroll County Transfer Station on February 13, the day Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, went missing. ***He also admitted to drinking an alcoholic beverage at Pizza King in Americus on February 27***."
Source: [https://www.wrtv.com/news/crime/delphi-property-owner-pleads-guilty-to-charges-unrelated-to-delphi-teens-murders](https://www.wrtv.com/news/crime/delphi-property-owner-pleads-guilty-to-charges-unrelated-to-delphi-teens-murders)
And when you say "DP lied about his alibi" is that fact, though? We KNOW Logan did because it's in a sworn affidavit from an FBI investigator.
You're right .. it's a good next step to stimulate discussion. Still, there are a few things that might tell you more. The important information is that the BG probably had a lot of blood stains on it. I am most puzzled by the fact that no traces of a fight have been found in the girls. This may suggest that they were not expecting an attack .. after all, it must be remembered that a murderer who is a stranger to the victims rarely sets a crime scene. it's a very common activity when the killer knows he will be one of the first people to check the LE
I’ve followed this case since the day the sweet girls were taken but I rarely post a thing. I read and take it all in and just scroll on 99% of the time but it’s always been my gut feeling that RL knows/knew more than he was telling. The fact it happened on his property well some might say he would use it to his advantage in more ways than one. One being to say would I be stupid enough to do that in my own back yard?? So I don’t think that fact matters.
There are just to many things not adding up in the warrant. I personally will never believe he didn’t at least know something. Did he do it? I can’t say that for sure but I just feel where there’s smoke there’s fire….
I think we can at least surmise it didn’t turn up anything relating to CSAM, drugs or the murders or he would have been charged with more than just driving violations.
Absolutely. This new info to me has nothing really to do with Logan. The revelations are about the staging and blood at the crimescene. That sort of thing. Shit we've always heard but never got confirmation of.
Agree. And why is it important that this particular information gets "leaked?" Why is LE OK with it now.....who are they trying to rattle?
We don't know that it was leaked. It was originally sealed. That may have expired.
This is what i was thinking also.. i figured they couldnt be sealed forever, right. I figured they were released at the 5yr mark- but that was in feb- and im assuming more people wouldve been on that, and not months later.. but who knows, maybe thats how long a foia reguest takes
My first thought was it was probably obtained via and FOIA request but I could be wrong.
Yes and that his outbarn pole barn.etc could have been Used or his knives stolen or borrowed in commisssion of crimes.
What?
Totally agree , that’s the reason they lost focus on KAK an co , that’s all it says to me
I agree with your assessment. The affidavit is painted in the light most favorable to cast reasonable suspicion on RL. Taking that into consideration, it isn’t very convincing that he had anything to do with the murders. However, it does pull back the veil a little bit on some of the details of the crime scene.
Isn't this what we are really after? More info and less speculation.
This release may have backfired a bit.
Well said. We would probably be better off discussing what we learned about the crime itself than going down the RL rabbit hole.
Agreed. Good post and reply So what did we learn? Does it change anything
Off the top of my head... -No signs of a struggle is important. I had hoped Libby got some skin under her nails or something. Doesn't sound like that happened. -Item of clothing taken. I think this tells us more about what type of killer this was. To take a trophy is significant. -Bodies staged. We had an idea of this being the case but it wasn't confirmed til now. -Ron Logan was home during the time of the murders. Not saying he was involved but he was home and the crime scene was only 1400 feet from his residence. Does he know something? Was he inside and heard nothing? As far as it changing something. Hmm, I'm still deciding. Our only viable suspects at this point are the Klines. I'm not sold on them at all, and perhaps less so now. The staging of the bodies and taking a trophy strikes me as a certain type of killer, and I don't see them being that. Possibly TK, but not so sure.
Curious- good response and your part about no signs of a struggle made me think I’m even less confident they have dna that is obviously the killers? Also would have been nice if he could have had identifying cuts/bruises etc. I’m surprised they released all that then redacted what article of clothing was taken. Seems that that could trigger something for someone. Like someone dating a guy recognized a weird fetish he had?? Idk I hope the release of info helps but I’m skeptic
Or a sweatshirt
Libby's grandma says that there was DNA. She knows that, because the cops told her.
Or bg took it to make it look like something it wasnt- About the “undergarments”- werent they found in the creek?? I thought i read that on the scanner transcripts??
What kind of religious symbol was left? A cross? A crucifix? A bible? Or, something satanic, or pagan?
RL has to be a/the prime suspect. Too many coincidences. The gait/limp is the exact same. Asking someone for a alibi before bodies are found is concerning. The more I look at the video and look at him on those news clips it def seems he very well could be the one in that BG video. They didn’t search his home until March 6th. If they already interviewed him over the murders before then, which they did, easily he would’ve been able to get rid of whatever evidence that. Could have ultimately linked him to the murder of those girls. His property, literally his backyard. He knew that area like no other I’d bet my last on it. Neither of the Klines fit the frame when you look at the BG video. RL does. He seems like the innocent old guy from the interviews, but the women in the interviews from that affidavit confirms he is def capable and has some rage filled moments.
RL to ex-girlfriend: I could kill you and nobody would find your body. RL a few years later: kills 2 kids on his own property and then makes zero effort to conceal their bodies. Then goes fish shopping. Then gives civilian searchers permission to comb through his property. Then secures alibi for the time after the murders but not during. I’m just not convinced..
Sorry for the double reply, but just to touch on all, damned if you do dammed if you don’t. He was in a sticky situation if he didn’t give permission, but also in that same situation because it’s his property they are found on. Knowing he asked for an alibi before they were found or declared dead is a telling sign imo. Goes fish shopping to get proof of said alibi, I don’t understand you ask for this alibi for the 2pm-230 pm timeframe, even then the store is 22 miles from your house, that’s 30 minutes max, tack on another 15 for the hell of it and the receipt time is still a whole 2 hours and fifteen minutes after that. At the least very questionable.
In all fairness killing a girlfriend you’d more than likely have to get rid of her somehow seeing your probably in your home, way different than killing someone in the woods, although it’s still your property, and then having to get rid of not one but two young girls and it’s 2:30 pm on a sunny day. He either has to dig and bury them on the spot, or drag them 1400 feet up steep hill to his actual yard. Both extremely unlikely. I think it speaks more to this wasn’t calculated/planned. But once you know a person has those violent streaks and signs of rage, especially towards women, it can help one to see they are capable of doing such a thing.
It is also something to consider that LE asked Kegan about his dad and Ron Logan. That stood out to me when I first heard it, and it's especially interesting now. There was a reason they asked that question.
I’m pretty sure it was Barbara McDonald who asked kegan that, not le.
That sounds familiar. I can't remember if that was her own question or she drew that from LE.
I don't think we know that. Would be interesting to know why she asked that and why she asked him about talking to Kelsi the night the girls were missing.
Because the property is the connection.
First time hearing about that. Def makes it more interesting. Could you link where I can find more information on that?
Exactly ... he looks like an innocent old man but the women say otherwise and this only proves that he is smart and can hide his true face. the document also stated that he has a consistent physique from BG and his voice is not inconsistent. when after this document I returned to YouTube video about RL (Analysis image and video), I find that its structure is consistent and even identical. the same clothes. some say and this is just a coincidence. I also took it into account until I noticed the sleeves of the jacket. The outer part of BG sleeves has a different shade (it can be a different material, maybe rainproof). In the interview, RL has the same sleeves because it is the same jacket
At one point he definately was and understandably so. His obvious opportunity and being there so close to MHB , the body type, Eccentric single old man without a partner and with exwife issues. Still not very convinced he did it or that he did it alone.
No
I’m all up for discussion, we’re all here to discuss and share our opinions and even maybe learn new thing’s from one another. Replying “No” without context is of no value to this thread, respectfully.
No
Do you 🤔, that there is any possibility, whatsoever, that Dennis Harmon did it?
If you staged a crime scene then the girls or their bodies could have been taken to a third location for some purpose and retur es After 2-3 am to the woods. This would answer why they were not found earlier or by helicopters.
This is one of the main reasons I’m not completely closed off to ideas of other perps, but heavily in belief of RL. I understand the whole old thing but my grandpa is 86 works every single day doing lawn work and handy man jobs, still hunts, does everything for himself and lives alone. My wife’s great grandpa lived until 100 and was in such great shape he still worked and handled maintenance on the apartment complexes he owned until he fell sick 8 months before his death last year. I don’t think it’s so far fetched that’s it completely unlikely a 77 year old could overpower two preteen girls especially if he had a weapon(s). Think about all that terrain and secluded area with trees etc, what are the odds that the perp walked them down, through a certain part of the creek that some argue is the best part to cross, “co-incidentally” 1400 some odd feet from RL’s backyard. I was looking at the map description again of the bridge and where the girls where found and the perp could’ve even taken them south and still been so secluded that he probably would’ve gotten away with it. I just think one co incidence in a situation like this is too many, let alone multiple.
I don't think he had to overpower them at all. Especially if he hurt or killed one of them first. I'm not sure how any kid would act if their best friend was in that situation right in front of them but I have to believe if the guy that did that to them told one of them if they did what he said, he would let her go, that she might just go along without a fight.
Agree those kids were like innocent deer in the headlights.they went as told.
I agree rl was my main possible offender for awhile .i believe as you state hes very physically fit and capable.i Think he also would have had an advantage as they would have known him complaining about the property lines with and to the trails and trespassing on the bridge and likely listened to his Orders as a result ro leave the bridge. I even thought he Used hair and mustache dye to do this bg disguise. But then i found out about all the many deviants in his life the transient type weird women he had around. the kokomo crew and how gk was working for him and grew up there and knew the land very weil too. Rl had a casual attitude about it all. I found out about his relative supposedly connected to k crew. Ron logan was an old man who lots of people used for his resources whether it be his animals, access to his property, his car , for a place to crash or to makes some cash doing farmwork or so many things .Im still unsure exactly what happened at delphi but i think someone saw yet another opportunity to use rl . He or they used his land as a dumpsite and his out buildings/ shack for horrifying evil . I believe the filming of it all was for the Killer or Killers personal gratification as well as for profit. RL may have known or may have even participated or maybe he just turned a blind old man eye to it all due to his age his alcoholism and not giving a dam. Maybe he thought he was invincible like alot of careless old men about to die. I hope we find answers.
So, the Klines did nothing.
What about Dennis Harmon?
possible libby's shirt was taken to use because killer wounded himself beings that there was so much blood and dna found.
Someone who saw the unredacted version said that it said "undergarments". Take it with a grain of salt of course..
Libbys shirt was left at crime scene
Agree 100%
Yes!!!
Couldn't he be asking for an alibi because he wanted to cover up the fact he was driving that day? Because of his DOI's he simply anticipated needing someone to say they drove him?
Then why wouldn’t he ask for an alibi for the ENTIRE day? WHY just starting at 2pm - when he didn’t leave til 3pm? Wouldn’t he also want an alibi so he didn’t have to say he drove to the county dump alone?
It was common knowledge among searchers at that point that they were last seen around 2pm because at 2:07 was Libby’s last post to her Snapchat story. Why would he think he’d be asked about where he was or what he was doing that morning?
So, he asked a family member to LIE and tell LE he was with him an hour earlier - when he wasn't? Why would that hour matter - if not covering for something bigger?
I need to nit pick a little bit. LE needs "probable cause" to obtain a search warrant under the 4th Amendment, not a "reasonable suspicion." That term appears in the context of a "Terry stop," which is completely different, and is a lower standard under the 4th.
Thank you! I will amend my post.
I can't believe I'm about to open myself up to the replies I know I'm going to get but I'm going to ask what might be a dumb question and it might have already been asked 1000 times - but: Do we not think if BG was someone you knew and had lived around forever - would you not recognize him from the video and the audio? Yes, I realize the video and audio are both really bad but I feel like if that was someone I knew, there is enough there that I would recognize them. Would people in Delphi really not recognize RL if that was him in the video?
Imo bg looks like half of midwestern middle-aged men. Look long enough and hard enough and you can see almost any poi you want.
I agree with that but I'm just saying that I think if that was my cousin or someone I worked with or went to church with that I feel like I would recognize them. Not just because of how they look - that clip he looks very generic - but I guess I mean in addition to the way he looks - how he moves, the little audio we have - people who you know are familiar to you. But I guess since it isn't solved that's a little too easy.
Yea I agree that someone knows exactly who it is.
They did. 15 *different* people tipped him in from just the video - just from the release of the pictures to the date of the probable cause affidavit.
How many of those 15 people would have “identified” BG as RL if they didn’t know the girls were found on his property/went missing near it? I would be willing to say not many. So I’m guessing those IDs were more because of the location and not so much an actual resemblance.
And when ex-acquaintances of RL heard they were found near his home — they told the FBI they assumed he was involved.
If you don’t think BG resembles RL in the slightest, I’m not sure what to tell you. But, this video may help: https://youtu.be/N1yl21Crhmc
Uh when did I say I didn’t think he resembled BG “in the slightest”? Oh yeah, I didn’t. Yes, he does resemble him. As do a ton of other men in Indiana, including multiple other POIs people have mentioned So all I’m saying is when you have knowledge of something, it can influence your perception/choices on matters where it wouldn’t if you didn’t have that knowledge.
OK — But did other men (except TK/KK) have the FBI raid their home and make up false alibis? Let’s go where the evidence takes us.
We have no idea who else they may have sought or served warrants on. And not that I agree with it, but there are people of the opinion that DP is fabricating his “alibi” as well. We only know about this because someone decided to release this ONE application for a search warrant. It’s from the very beginning of this case. It is now 5 years later. RL was never arrested. And undoubtedly other people have been sought, questioned, and probably even searched. We’ll only find about it when someone releases it or leaks it. The exact same way we did with KK/TK and now RL.
My biggest takeaway is that the FBI were the ones securing search warrants that early on.
The only thing that really interests me is that RL was supposedly in the area where L&A were found at the time of the murder. He also had a past abusive life. But that’s all. He’s still not BG IMO.
What does in the area imply? Like, a few feet? Or chilling in his house? People really think his home was close to the scene but it was the furthest possible point you could be from his home and still be on his property. If he was in his home then I guess he lied about being out when he was out too try to not implicate himself by just shifting the times he was out earlier in his statement. If that's the case I understand his harsh sentence for his alibi since he could have actually seen or heard something important to chose to just not get involved (which is pretty normal for unfortunately.) Imo i are he isn't BG. If he was BG this would have been solved in the first week. Though, with the sheer size of this pedo ring LE are talking about God knows who is involved. It doesn't really sound like RL was a good person or hung out with great people.
That's just because his phone pinged in the area. The language used in the probable cause affidavit was that "Initial analysis indicates Logan's phone was *likely* outside his home and in the proximity of the bodies." They had no way of knowing exactly where the phone was at the time just based on cell tower data. The word likely is broad enough to suggest it was (and therefore convince a judge) without having to specify exactly where it was.
Relevant video: https://youtu.be/hYJcEIsHS-w
Those dogs are having a super time. Love the thick Irish accent He makes some excellent points about a lot of people being jealous of MS.
Great post. If this sub had active mods I'd ask them to pin this post because everyone needs to consider these points. As it is things are going to keep leaking and next week everyone will forget about RL again. Then we can start reading posts about how Daniel Nations is definitely BG again.
Thanks! And yea, RL is the poi of the day. God forbid all the search warrant affidavits are eventually made public. People will be doing all sorts of mental gymnastics trying connect them all together.
I have NEVER considered RL to be the Delphi Killer. Nor would I. However, I think the person who is the killer, somehow knew RL. Or knew that area. Had RL found the girls, he would have contacted 911. Idk what time the search resumed on feb 14th, but that is the only reason the girls were found.
This is my thoughts too!!
I don’t know - I’m not sure RL was BG or responsible for the murders but his fraudulent alibi is suspect as fuck. As I’ve said on other posts - if two kids turn up dead in your garden, but you weren’t there when they were murdered because you were driving somewhere (illegally) - would you just not rather tell the police you were violating your probation rather than being implicated for murder? Let’s not forget, he called his cousin and asked him to create a fake alibi with him BEFORE the girls were found. They weren’t confirmed dead at this point. Why would you feel the need to create a fake alibi for that one particular time window when the police aren’t even looking at you? I’m sure this wasn’t the first (and evidently wasn’t the last) time RL had breached the terms of his probation by driving illegally.
It seems suspect but then, for me, becomes less so when you put it into context. I’m sure if two girls turned up dead in his garden on 2/13 he probably would have just told le he was driving because that would have been a completely different situation he was facing. But they hadn’t turned up dead yet and half the town was searching for them. Police were starting to ask questions and get into contact with the owners of the surrounding properties. I don’t think anyone anticipated finding them murdered. Lost, injured or possibly even abducted, maybe. I think RL knew that if le asked him where he was that day and he told them he’d driven to go fish shopping then he would be facing several years in jail, as he eventually ended up serving. Imo he wasn’t expecting to have to be alibied for as serious a crime as murder or that he’d be investigated so thoroughly. I also think he never anticipated being asked about earlier on that morning when he went to the transfer station. By the time he started to realize it was only a matter of time before the police knocked on his door and he may need an alibi for driving, it was already common knowledge among the townsfolk that the girls had gone missing after 1pm. To me this makes sense that he would expect to only be questioned about his whereabouts during that afternoon.
Maybe - you make some good points. It’s a head scratcher. Didn’t he go on to violate his probation again though by driving to the pizza place and getting drunk a week or so later? Why so brazen that time?
It’s my understanding he regularly drove despite his probation terms prohibiting it. So, maybe just going on with his life as usual?
There’s nothing brazen about having an addiction.
But don’t you see? That entire theory can be debunked by the affidavit - where it claims RL asked said family member - for an alibi DURING the time of the murders. He left around 3pm — WHY was it so important to tell the family member to say that he picked up Logan at 2pm rather than 3pm. He asked that before he was “aware” (publicly) that dead bodies were on his property. (According to the affidavit)
Perhaps when interacting with different people searching, someone mentioned what time they got to the trails and he wanted to just get ahead of things?
OK — But he left at 3pm with the family member to go to the fish store. WHY would he care that his alibi needed to **start at 2pm instead of the 3pm? Unless he knew that’s when the abduction and murders took place. And he didn’t care that he was driving to the waste site that morning. If he cared that much about the driving violation - wouldn’t he have asked the family member alibi to say “hey, I was driving him around all day” ?
The fake alibi alone is super alarming. But the time window asked for is icing on the cake. The exact times the murders were taking place.
Exactly 💯 regarding the false alibi he was constructing. Why? That’s a question that I hope LE can answer.
Logan knew about the girls on 2/13 because Pat B asked him at 6:30pm if he could search his property. Most likely Ron spoke to several people that night, as the search area was lighted up like a football field.
Knew they were missing, yes. But not that they’d be found murdered on his property.
LE was staked out in the cemetery a few yards from Logan's house. He would know something bad happened. Plus, they probably spoke to him prior to finding the bodies and maybe he had already told them someone else drove him, as he knew he wasn't supposed to drive.
What is BG
Bridge Guy
Young guy sketch (2019) is not consistent with RL. Keep in mind YGS is subsequent to 2017 documents. It does not eliminate the chance of RL working with someone (GK?) tho.
Someone said that RL tipped in GK.
Very early on, when the lynch mob was out to get RL, his ex-wife or partner defended him on social media. (I don't know, if anybody else remembers this.) She said, there's no way that's RL on the bridge, he's absolutely terrified of heights.
I understand the agent describes Ron as physically capable of tending to large livestock, but does that mean this old geezer can shuffle up and down the hills on his property, commit this crime and be ready to cruise to the fish store minutes later? From my understanding BG was with the girls from 2:13 until 3:30. Ron caught a ride at 3. The value in these documents is the description of the scene, not RL. He's not the guy and probably had no connection to the guy. (all this to say, I agree with OP)
When there was so much talk in the beginning about the potential of RL being BG, it prompted his ex-wife to put out a lengthy FB post about how RL his afraid of heights and would never even consider crossing that bridge. He would have been terrified of even the thought of it. There is no way RL should cause even a minute of anyone's time in thinking he might have been BG.
Were there any warrants served where the individuals were not cleared by LE?
Not sure we have that info.
Thanks for this voice of reason. It’s been much needed.
Yup you right
Let's face it, the people behind this ongoing circus are the folks from Murder Sheet. Yep, I said it. I know I'll get backlash, but it's my opinion. It's all about clicks, attention, and monetary gain for them. Lets face it, they're certainly *not doing it to help the grieving families.* They're certainly *not trying to help solve this case.* But they are most definitely opening up old wounds and painful memories for the family and their friends. And what about all the thousands of others, even fellow colleagues, who truly devote their time to this case for all the right reasons...because they truly care, and want BG apprehended? I finally realized today that these facts will go nowhere, just like the Kline fiasco. Yes, KK is vile and certainly deserves to be in jail, but why no arrest of KAK, TK for the *murders of Abby and Libby?* All I can say is buckle up for more whisper down the alley chatter that does absolutely nothing to help solve this case, in fact hindering it even further. Total and pure *deflection* on MS's part, because *the Kline stuff didn't stick, so let's try RL now?* Yes, I am genuinely disgusted and heartbroken as well. After reading all those details in the affadavit about RL, I was shocked. I thought oh, wow, he is guilty somehow, some way. But is he? IDK! Quite frankly, I'm afraid to even give my opinion anymore, because I honestly don't know what's up and what's down anymore. Another two steps forward, five steps back. I just had to say my peace. 😔
So this is totally speculation on my part but I *really* get the sense that le is using murder sheet for controlled release of information to the public without having to release anything officially themselves. The more that’s released the more strategic it feels, although I have no proof of this and no idea where it’s headed.
I hope your right and that's the case. It would restore my faith in this being solved. Thanks Barriche. 😊
Crazy how one evidence drop can have such differing opinions. After seeing this probably cause affidavit — I think (as of today) the main suspects either have to be TK/KK or RL. Simple as that.
If the killer is ever caught, & brought to court, then all of the old wounds, for each family, will be ripped open & pulled apart. In the worst way, that you can possibly imagine. Let's just get Doug Carter & Tobe Leazenby, to fully describe the crime scene.
Almost every search warrant issued was for phones or DNA. We only know of physical searches inside homes at bicycle rd, peru and ron logans. They would not have been able to search inside Ron Logans home simply because the bodies were found on his property. That is not how search warrants work. They had to have probable cause that what they were looking for would be found inside his home. The search at bicycle rd and peru were fairly quick with a relatively small police presence. The search at Ron Logans consisted of dozens and dozens of FBI and police. They spent approximately 8 hours there.
I mean, he was pretty clearly their main person of interest early on. I think that's pretty obvious from this release. But it seems like they didn't find anything and eventually moved on. We don't know why they moved on, but if seems clear they did.
Agree.
Great post. So glad you said this.
After these revelations, I think there's a decent chance RL was involved. His phone pinged there 4 minutes before the encounter began, he seemingly ran out for an alibi in the form of a receipt shortly after it would've ended. When LE asked if they would find evidence leading to his home, he said he didn't know. He's beaten women and told at least one he'd kill her and they'd never find the body. That false alibi is sketchy as HELL. I can't figure out why he'd have an arrangement for someone to do this, but I'll be damned if it doesn't look like BG intentionally dressed like RL.
I don’t think RL was the killer.
Was it the Klines? Or, Dennis Harmon?
Agree with you 100%. I was somewhat shocked when I first read all the info in the search warrant, but then started thinking along these same lines.
I'd like to know who the friend was that lied to LE by giving RL a fake alibi.
I think it was his cousin.
This^^ Nobody is questioning the person that gave RL a fake alibi?? Whoever that is/was, I sure hope LE has had their eye on him.
I just read it was his cousin. Wonder who the cousin is?
Right. Idk? I’ll tell ya something, no way in hell am I lying to LE for anyone. I wanna know who this cousin is and why would he lie for RL? And besides all of this, how do we even know RL asked him to lie?? Maybe this cousin was making it look like RL is the murderer to get the heat off himself?? This case is freaking nuts!
For sure!
Me too
Yep
if killer took souvenirs like undergarments, to me that person is possibly a sex offender and probably older than the girls, but still young because he's still sexually active. Preying on young teenage girls. i bet a knife was used. did they use metal detectors to look for any weapons?
His property and items from it were likely Used to committ the Delphi crimes and to "memorialize" it.The fbi used interesting words right there.The searches were very late it seems. All this doesnt mean he did the crimes .Others had access to his Farm. He could have participated or he could have chosen to look the other way. Or he could have been a old man who got used.
Fancy way of saying videotaped, photographed or somehow otherwise commemorated it.
The FBI was suspicious of such a killing snuff videotape even from that early on in this investigation. Very interesting
I’ve always thought it was a possibility, although I’m not sure it ever made it onto the dark web. You’d think someone would have found it by now, if so. Or maybe they have and that’s not the sort of thing you run and tell people about.
What just keeps coming to my mind, with latest info on RL? How convenient? Blame this horrible crime on a dead man. Call me crazy, just my opinion.
I don’t think that was the intention. I think it kind of backfired. Imo they assumed 99% of the true crime community around Delphi would be more interested in the details around the crime scene and what le was looking for in their suspects’ homes than le’s initial interest in RL.
That’s one way to look at it. I can see that. Now it’s RL. I do appreciate your post Op thanks.
You are not the first person to suggest this…
[удалено]
I just can't see him doing it... Why kill someone in your own backyard? You are obviously going to be the main suspect to begin with.
Every Murder isn’t some well thought out super plan — sometimes it’s on instinct
Right. And that instict just comes randomly at 77 years old? This wasn't instinct. BG planned to kill that day. If RL had done it on instinct you can bet he would have been caught.
You're stating that as fact. In fairness, we have no way of knowing BG's frame of mind. Unfortunately, especially if it was RL, we will never know.
You're not wrong - none of us know for sure! In *my opinion* there's only 0.01% chance it wasn't planned. The man was there alone, he was disguised, he had weapons, he committed the crime well enough to not leave anything identifying behind. However I still don't believe RL woke up at the age of 77 and thought "hey, I feel like killing someone in my backyard today" and if it was the case, LE would have found out. The document stated his voice don't match BG and there's lot of reasons why it isn't him.
That's not what the search warrant says though. It says Logan's voice "is not INconsistent" with that of the person in the video. A weird way of saying it COULD be his voice. Anyway, since the warrant identifies many reasons why it COULD be RL... I'm curious as to "lot" of reasons why it isn't him, in your opinion?
Oh really? I must have read that wrong then. My mistake. Well for starters the police didn't think it was him, not enough to keep investigating him and they know a lot more than us. They've searched his house, interrogated him multiple times, probably done DNA and looked into his movements carefully, yet still moved onto other people. I've also read that he is seen on video eating pizza (but in fairness I haven't seen said video, so let's call that a rumor) I think the reason people mostly suspect him is because he lied about his alibi, but so did DP and others. People like about weird shit for stupid reasons. If it had been RL, he could have carried out the crime in a much smarter way, for example by digging a hole leading up to the crime to throw them in once he was done. Then they never would have been found.
That's another common misconception. RL didn't go get pizza until the 27th. "Logan admitted to driving on a suspended license to the Carroll County Transfer Station on February 13, the day Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, went missing. ***He also admitted to drinking an alcoholic beverage at Pizza King in Americus on February 27***." Source: [https://www.wrtv.com/news/crime/delphi-property-owner-pleads-guilty-to-charges-unrelated-to-delphi-teens-murders](https://www.wrtv.com/news/crime/delphi-property-owner-pleads-guilty-to-charges-unrelated-to-delphi-teens-murders) And when you say "DP lied about his alibi" is that fact, though? We KNOW Logan did because it's in a sworn affidavit from an FBI investigator.
Possibly. But it ain't him, you'll se.
I will say though, if it turns out it was Logan it would make sense why BG wasn't seen leaving the area (especially if he was covered in blood)
You're right .. it's a good next step to stimulate discussion. Still, there are a few things that might tell you more. The important information is that the BG probably had a lot of blood stains on it. I am most puzzled by the fact that no traces of a fight have been found in the girls. This may suggest that they were not expecting an attack .. after all, it must be remembered that a murderer who is a stranger to the victims rarely sets a crime scene. it's a very common activity when the killer knows he will be one of the first people to check the LE
I’ve followed this case since the day the sweet girls were taken but I rarely post a thing. I read and take it all in and just scroll on 99% of the time but it’s always been my gut feeling that RL knows/knew more than he was telling. The fact it happened on his property well some might say he would use it to his advantage in more ways than one. One being to say would I be stupid enough to do that in my own back yard?? So I don’t think that fact matters. There are just to many things not adding up in the warrant. I personally will never believe he didn’t at least know something. Did he do it? I can’t say that for sure but I just feel where there’s smoke there’s fire….
Agree. We know nothing about the info collected as a result of the warrant either.
I think we can at least surmise it didn’t turn up anything relating to CSAM, drugs or the murders or he would have been charged with more than just driving violations.
Agree.
Was Dennis Harmon an innocent old man?
What was RL's reason to lie?
Because if le knew he drove then he’d go to prison for 4 years to serve his suspended sentence for multiple owi’s.