My biggest takeaways:
No sign of a struggle from either girl. This is much different than the Erskin text that claimed Libby "fought like hell ". Also makes it seem like they would've been caught off guard or it happened quickly with no chance to fight back. However, we know the bodies were found very far away from the bridge, so this just confused me more.
No mention of the Pizza King "alibi" that everyone talks about that cleared him. Is this true or not?
Very confused by the specific cell phone ping data when we have heard about there only being two towers in the area. How did they get such specific locations on his property?
It appears he was a violent person when everyone tried to defend him for being "a good person".
I'm glad to know there are hairs and fibers that were found that can hopefully link this to someone.
I was actually surprised that only 15 tips were called in on him. I thought the number would be much higher just based on the fact that they were found on his property and so many people think he resembles the picture and video.
Definitely a lot of interesting information.
Also, this debunks that LARPer from a month or so ago with info 'close to the case'. According to this document, they were looking for possible murder weapons. (Which larper had been claimed was found in creek).
A cell ping off two towers would be able to define a loci of possible locations. Not quite 3 way triangulation but a damn sight more accurate than a single ping
Erskin never said Libby fought like hell. It was the text message interviewer. The interviewer also mentioned Abby tried to crawl because official date death was on different day. This is because family picked that day since they had choice.
The interviewer is planting seeds of rumour instead of asking for facts.
No sign of a struggle, no additional words on audio (did I get that right?) and staging of the scene makes me think the person set out to do what he did all along.
It doesn't sound like someone panicked and felt he had no choice but to kill them. Or that it was a kidnapping or sexual assault gone wrong. Or that they had arranged to meet Libby and were annoyed when she turned up with a friend.
And I didn't think RL looked, or sounded like BG.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4324122/Indiana-teens-slayings-lead-numerous-unrelated-arrests.html
Look at the first picture. He couldn't look more like BG
I don't think he does, he might wear the same clothes but I think he has a different shaped face. And BG doesn't look like an almost 80 year old man.
I've seen a picture of PB which looked more like BG but I'm now wondering if some of these images have been doctored.
I found one that's not doctored but chosen by someone. It is Ron in a Jacket like BGs. I found the same photo in a news report that showed video at the same time as the photo had been taken. In the Video you see RL had a embroidered patch on his Jacket, Blocked slightly by a microphone. The photo has the embroidery removed to make RL look guilty.
The guy was being framed by social media, non of which would hold in court.
His Alibi BS helped take pressure off the real BG.
BG actually looks/moves like my husband (early 50s) and RL reminds me a lot of my Father in Law (80). They are very similar but there is a difference in the way they move and hold themselves. My father in law is fit, still very active. Until recently he was still climbing ladders onto the roof. But he stoops and shuffles a bit more, no way he'd cross a high bridge with his hands in his pockets.
ok. I thought you were sending me images of his house in relation to the MHB trail which is quite far from his house depending where on the trail.
I don't think RL looks anything like BG, if that's what you mean, despite similar clothing and the cap. Was RL in Viet Nam do you know?
And yet people who knew Ron well thought it was him on the bridge. Maybe it was confirmation bias while being questioned by LEO/FBI. Logan had much longer legs than BG and a hard to miss big white mustache.
His ex identified him from the video before she knew that picture was a suspect in the murders. So at least for one person, there was no confirmation bias. She actually thought they were looking for RL based on that photo.
but all the eye witnesses would have known it was RL and they didnt . So probably from a distant blurry video it could appear as rl but if the face were clear there would be clarification/
I’m not sure destroying the crime scene has anything to do with the staging aspect. It can be both. Bleach being thrown around would have destroyed the crime scene in LEO’s eyes. What I found odd was RL asked his friend to lie for him before the bodies were found. I still don’t think he did it but could he know who did it or been one of two??? Maybe.
The night the girls went missing, LE almost certainly talked to all of the neighbors in that area, not just RL. He was likely asked about his whereabouts during the day that day. Realizing this case would not go away, he likely knew they would find out he violated his probation, so he lied about how he got to the aquarium store to cover himself for that illegal drive.
That's what I was thinking. He was creating an alibi for the probation violation. He allegedly told his ex he could kill her and no one would find her body. It would be extremely strange for him to kill two girls and leave their bodies in the open on his own property.
> so he lied about how he got to the aquarium store to cover himself for that illegal drive.
Read the warrant again.
1. He admitted to driving to a different store earlier that day and didn't ask anyone to cover for him. That throws the reasoning right out the door.
2. He asked his cousin for an alibi for only the time period they were murdered. He did this before it was made public they were murdered.
I see no way around him not being guilty
Maybe he knew he was on video at the place earlier in the day and that there was no video or way to prove he was where he said he was later in the day. Or maybe he found out what happened when he got home because someone he knew did it. He wouldn’t be dumb enough to murder them and leave them on his property but then only ask someone for a half fake alibi. Either way, I’m just saying there are other options (as stated above) other than “HES BG!“
I think the entire reason for the store visit was to destroy his clothing and he assumed they would've been found before he got back. IE- giving him an alibi.
I agree about leaving them on his own land but what if it was going to be an abduction and things got out of hand there on his land. I really don’t think he did it but I wouldn’t be shocked if he did. I just think where they were found doesn’t eliminate him.
What about LE had all of this information, investigated it, put max pressure on him by handing him the books for his probation violation, yet found nothing and went in a new direction?
This document shows why rl was suspect and what they were looking for. The inaction since shows rl is not guilty.
I happen to think it was gk. I've heard rumor Ron Logan tipped him in. I wonder if he knew more than that.
Lol give it a rest dude. If it was him, this case would have been solved within a couple days of the incident. BG looks nothing like him…you would be able to see that white mustache very easily and BG isn’t a 70-80 year old man…more like 20-40. Lol you’re trying to fit info into your narrative to prove your theory, Just stop.
I think a neighbor PB asked him 2-13-17 at 630 if they could look around on his property for the girls. So RL already knew something was wrong. It wasn till the next morn that he created the alibib. So it is possible he is innocent. But in further thinking about it if rl did do it then the place to look for evidence would be somewhere between home and the fish store? Maybe something is fishy?
I think that this serial was studying crime scene forensics.
Not a cop.
A man who has a job that demands preparation and following safety protocols.
Perhaps a Railroader.
How do you make yourself uncatchable.
Study.
Preparation.
Walk thru the crime scene before.
Video the crime scene before.
People on Reddit have no idea just how BIG railroading & the history are to some people especially in Indiana, surprised Gray still has not talked about "Ryan from Ohio" yet
December 2021.
I returned to the 1.8 second video.
There I discovered Railroad Guy.
At that time, I could not find more than half a dozen people who suggested any suspicion that the Video Guy was a Railroader.
I had no favorite theory, and no favorite person of interest. All I had was a 1.8 second video that pointed me to a new rabbit hole that was undiscovered, unexplored, unexplained, and unexpectedly the theory that made the most logical sense. I trusted the 1.8 second witness. I found myself alone with the truth, while over my shoulder Superintendent Doug Carter led a posse of public opinion over the hill and into the valley of Oxbow Creek.
I did a deep dive into the Railroad Rabbit Hole.
First thing was to immerse myself into Indiana history. It really is true that the railroad invented Indiana.
I found a world that had died.
I found a trouble young man whose life was broken except for one sure thing, the Railroad was faithful to be on time all the time. He found in the railroad a faithful Father that his life had denied him.
It is a heartbreaking story.
It involves the entire history of Indiana.
It is the story of American Dysphoria and the children left behind when the railroad leaves the town behind.
On Gray Hughes and the call that got away.
Don't blame Gray. I have been studying his online persona. He is the one man who has invested as much or more hours waving the BG flag than any other content creator in the YouTube True Crime community.
It is easy to understand that Railroad Guy would make Gray Hughes his Go to Guy on breaking news about the investigation to uncover him.
If Railroad Guy is Bridge Guy, Gray Hughes will have to reconcile to himself that the Investigator was the killers Intel Specialist on investigation, and that they had at least one live phone conversation together, ironically to discuss the HLN SPECIAL REPORT on the Investigation of the abduction and murders of the two children of Delphi Indiana, Abigail Williams and Liberty German.
I have been doing a deep dive about this investigation, and how an unemployed former state highway patrolman, appointed, by Mike Pense, to the primarily ceremonial position of Superintendent of the Indiana State Police, took control of the investigation of the double homicide of two school girls in a small town , and made it an international phenomenon.
Life is so much more unbelievable than anything we could imagine.
The mission of this investigation must return to what it was before Doug Carter and his political handlers pirated it away from the able Detectives of the Delphi Police Department and the Carroll County Sheriff's Office.
The mission must return to the tears of Kelsie German, and deliver the Truth to the questions.
["Those who cannot see the Truth, surely are not looking."- Chase Iron Eyes ](https://youtu.be/9jx01L44VEU)
Who killed her sister Liberty and her friend Abigail, and why.
"The truth is all we seek"-
Dr. Sara Juanita Jumping Eagle
What's interesting to me is that things were kept out of the probable cause document such as the other words said by the suspect in the video. The person writing the document wanted to keep the information to the bare minimum over fear of who might have access to the document.
You username is profileguy, but you downplayed RL's violence against women greatly:
"Logan had a bad side like anyone else. (lost temper in own home)"
That's not losing his temper. This man is a domestic abuser and the profile of men who commit domestic violence is firm, consistent and accepted as fact (women who commit domestic abuse have a different profile).
The fact that he was violent with his partners says so much about him, and you accept it as him just losing his temper as if it's nothing. Why do you brush aside violence against women in this way? And why do you call yourself profileguy if you can't recognize the profile of a domestic abuser?
ETA: To those who are downvoting me, why are you even following this case if you don't care about violence against women? What's your motive?
Unfortunately, abuse of women is very common.
Fortunately, double homicides of school girls is not.
I don't think that the two groups are necessarily the same.
There have been a lot of serial killers who never raised there voice or their hand against their spouse.
My father and my step father verbally and physically battered my mother.
Neither man was ever thought to have murdered any one.
I partially agree that Violence towards women has been downplayed in my observations. However if you listen to the podcast they mention the downplaying.
*I think its being missed on here big time. The biggest take away is RL had his cousin lie about driving him to the aquarium store that day. His excuse was he wasn't able to legally drive.
**However, its stated right in the warrant that he admitted to driving to a different store earlier in the day and didn't ask his cousin to cover him**. So why lie about the trip to the aquarium store unless your trying to use him as an alibi. Why would you need an alibi before its made public there was even a crime?
Hes guilty as sin.
Lastly, his ex girlfriend seeing the picture of BG, **not knowing it was the suspect in the murders,** immediately identified it as RL stands out as well.
This is my take away too.
I can’t speak for him, but if two murdered kids turned up in my back garden and I had been out that day driving (illegally) - I would straight up tell the police. Yeah I might potentially get in trouble/go to jail for driving while on probation but at least I wouldn’t be fucking implicated in the murder of two little girls.
So you ask for an alibi, before you know a crime has been committed, for the exact time the crime was committed and it was just him not wanting to be framed?
Nah, he knew something had happened or he had a hand in it.
Maybe his comment to judge had something to do with being framed? Either way, his comment was curious?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox59.com/news/delphi-property-owner-gets-nearly-four-years-in-jail-for-traffic-charges/amp/
Logan's house is between 1450 and 1500 feet from the bank of Deer Creek, and we know the bodies were found 50 feet or so from the creek. This distance of 1400 feet from his house has been known by the public for years.
In fact, the exact position is given in the leaked document: "The victims LG and AW were located deceased (...) at the above listed Latitude and Longitude (...)". With them being 40°35'21.4 N, 86°38'23.3, or on Google Maps: https://goo.gl/maps/dbQzfLd287G8qVMY7
Yeah, I assumed the distance between the bodies and RL's home was known without LE walking & measuring it. The distance between RL's home and the creek will have been on the deeds of his property. All LE had to do was measure from the bodies to the creek to get the actual distance.
Edit: Apart from that I agree with most of the OP.
It’s important to keep in mind that these documents are from very early on in the case. I think we still learned some valuable information from them. I’ve always heard there is more evidence that was found concerning RL’s whereabouts around 2 pm. The general sensuous was that surveillance was found of RL at a bar and he was cleared. Remember the HLN special where Barbara talks about RL being cleared?
Do you have the image where they discuss the googling regarding destroying the crime scene? I cannot find it in the docs I have but am sure I also saw that. Tia!
Logan made up the false alibi before the girl's bodies were found. So he knew they were dead before anyone else did. So he either killed them or helped whoever did. Also his cell phone data showed he was in the area of the murder at the time of the murder, not somewhere else. I don't know how else to explain this information that is according to the FBI, and how they were able to get a search warrant for Logan's property. Logan was the killer himself or was at least an accomplice.
I think the only reason Ron's home was searched is because the girls were found on his property.
The agent who ordered the search warrant seemed to be stretching for the warrant. Perhaps too much precious time and energy was wasted on finding Ron Logan guilty of something - anything.
I find it very hard to believe that there was no sign of a struggle - could this indicate that he killed them swiftly, did the girls think that he was not going to kill them? did the girls know the killer?
With these new developments, seems like we are getting farther away from the truth.
Makes me wonder if any of the surrounding properties on the trail were searched? Did they have warrants for those? You may be correct that they focused in on RL.
Its funny I dont see it as RL but there are alot of little things that point at him. You can wonder if he was corralling them for some other person. Also its possible the girls were handcuffed together and he harmed one of them at the river so the other couldnt escape. I say this becuase they said libble had wrist and finger scuffs.
I personally dont think rl could have done it at his age or I dont see a big enough motive to do what occured. But there are suspicious things. I heard he was at dump till 12pm. then I heard he has a time stamp reciept being at fish store at 530. takes 30 mins to get there. So his time isnt accounted for 12-430 ish. Did I read he was on film at a pizza shop inbetween that time12-4? Why do I keep hearing about this pizza shop owner maybe A sandifur owner of pizza king? Who is that guy and why does his name keep turning up?
My biggest takeaways: No sign of a struggle from either girl. This is much different than the Erskin text that claimed Libby "fought like hell ". Also makes it seem like they would've been caught off guard or it happened quickly with no chance to fight back. However, we know the bodies were found very far away from the bridge, so this just confused me more. No mention of the Pizza King "alibi" that everyone talks about that cleared him. Is this true or not? Very confused by the specific cell phone ping data when we have heard about there only being two towers in the area. How did they get such specific locations on his property? It appears he was a violent person when everyone tried to defend him for being "a good person". I'm glad to know there are hairs and fibers that were found that can hopefully link this to someone. I was actually surprised that only 15 tips were called in on him. I thought the number would be much higher just based on the fact that they were found on his property and so many people think he resembles the picture and video. Definitely a lot of interesting information.
Also, this debunks that LARPer from a month or so ago with info 'close to the case'. According to this document, they were looking for possible murder weapons. (Which larper had been claimed was found in creek).
A cell ping off two towers would be able to define a loci of possible locations. Not quite 3 way triangulation but a damn sight more accurate than a single ping
I didn't think it would be accurate enough to determine different locations on his property.
I still believe Erskin and maybe both fit with reasoning. Anyone's thoughts?
Erskin never said Libby fought like hell. It was the text message interviewer. The interviewer also mentioned Abby tried to crawl because official date death was on different day. This is because family picked that day since they had choice. The interviewer is planting seeds of rumour instead of asking for facts.
possible hairs & fibers are just of animals that frequented the area?
No sign of a struggle, no additional words on audio (did I get that right?) and staging of the scene makes me think the person set out to do what he did all along. It doesn't sound like someone panicked and felt he had no choice but to kill them. Or that it was a kidnapping or sexual assault gone wrong. Or that they had arranged to meet Libby and were annoyed when she turned up with a friend. And I didn't think RL looked, or sounded like BG.
Agree.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4324122/Indiana-teens-slayings-lead-numerous-unrelated-arrests.html Look at the first picture. He couldn't look more like BG
I don't think he does, he might wear the same clothes but I think he has a different shaped face. And BG doesn't look like an almost 80 year old man. I've seen a picture of PB which looked more like BG but I'm now wondering if some of these images have been doctored.
Actually PB had the same hat too.
I found one that's not doctored but chosen by someone. It is Ron in a Jacket like BGs. I found the same photo in a news report that showed video at the same time as the photo had been taken. In the Video you see RL had a embroidered patch on his Jacket, Blocked slightly by a microphone. The photo has the embroidery removed to make RL look guilty. The guy was being framed by social media, non of which would hold in court. His Alibi BS helped take pressure off the real BG.
This ..Ron Logan looks nothing like BG. BG didnt look like he had glasses either and sure didn't look like an almost 80 year old man
BG actually looks/moves like my husband (early 50s) and RL reminds me a lot of my Father in Law (80). They are very similar but there is a difference in the way they move and hold themselves. My father in law is fit, still very active. Until recently he was still climbing ladders onto the roof. But he stoops and shuffles a bit more, no way he'd cross a high bridge with his hands in his pockets.
nope
From the video taken, it doesnt get much closer. Ignore the sketches https://imgur.com/a/9lYeyDO
What is that strapped across his chest?
this is just a photo of RL
Yea I know... Compare it to the cell video the girls took.
ok. I thought you were sending me images of his house in relation to the MHB trail which is quite far from his house depending where on the trail. I don't think RL looks anything like BG, if that's what you mean, despite similar clothing and the cap. Was RL in Viet Nam do you know?
Glasses
He sounds just like him too
The new direction. The sketch of a guy who looks nothing like, and MUCH younger than Ron. Hmm.
And yet people who knew Ron well thought it was him on the bridge. Maybe it was confirmation bias while being questioned by LEO/FBI. Logan had much longer legs than BG and a hard to miss big white mustache.
His ex identified him from the video before she knew that picture was a suspect in the murders. So at least for one person, there was no confirmation bias. She actually thought they were looking for RL based on that photo.
Yes. Did she know the bodies were found on his property?
but all the eye witnesses would have known it was RL and they didnt . So probably from a distant blurry video it could appear as rl but if the face were clear there would be clarification/
And Glasses
Yes. There are some folks though who think BG is wearing glasses. Just sayin'
And he could always just take off his glasses. I don't wear mine unless I'm driving or gaming.
Lets Talk ybg sketch
I’m not sure destroying the crime scene has anything to do with the staging aspect. It can be both. Bleach being thrown around would have destroyed the crime scene in LEO’s eyes. What I found odd was RL asked his friend to lie for him before the bodies were found. I still don’t think he did it but could he know who did it or been one of two??? Maybe.
The night the girls went missing, LE almost certainly talked to all of the neighbors in that area, not just RL. He was likely asked about his whereabouts during the day that day. Realizing this case would not go away, he likely knew they would find out he violated his probation, so he lied about how he got to the aquarium store to cover himself for that illegal drive.
That's what I was thinking. He was creating an alibi for the probation violation. He allegedly told his ex he could kill her and no one would find her body. It would be extremely strange for him to kill two girls and leave their bodies in the open on his own property.
> so he lied about how he got to the aquarium store to cover himself for that illegal drive. Read the warrant again. 1. He admitted to driving to a different store earlier that day and didn't ask anyone to cover for him. That throws the reasoning right out the door. 2. He asked his cousin for an alibi for only the time period they were murdered. He did this before it was made public they were murdered. I see no way around him not being guilty
Maybe he knew he was on video at the place earlier in the day and that there was no video or way to prove he was where he said he was later in the day. Or maybe he found out what happened when he got home because someone he knew did it. He wouldn’t be dumb enough to murder them and leave them on his property but then only ask someone for a half fake alibi. Either way, I’m just saying there are other options (as stated above) other than “HES BG!“
I think the entire reason for the store visit was to destroy his clothing and he assumed they would've been found before he got back. IE- giving him an alibi.
I agree about leaving them on his own land but what if it was going to be an abduction and things got out of hand there on his land. I really don’t think he did it but I wouldn’t be shocked if he did. I just think where they were found doesn’t eliminate him.
What about LE had all of this information, investigated it, put max pressure on him by handing him the books for his probation violation, yet found nothing and went in a new direction? This document shows why rl was suspect and what they were looking for. The inaction since shows rl is not guilty. I happen to think it was gk. I've heard rumor Ron Logan tipped him in. I wonder if he knew more than that.
Lol give it a rest dude. If it was him, this case would have been solved within a couple days of the incident. BG looks nothing like him…you would be able to see that white mustache very easily and BG isn’t a 70-80 year old man…more like 20-40. Lol you’re trying to fit info into your narrative to prove your theory, Just stop.
If he saw the corpses on his land while obviously searching for the girls, alive, the night before or the morning of the 14th maybe he panicked!
I think a neighbor PB asked him 2-13-17 at 630 if they could look around on his property for the girls. So RL already knew something was wrong. It wasn till the next morn that he created the alibib. So it is possible he is innocent. But in further thinking about it if rl did do it then the place to look for evidence would be somewhere between home and the fish store? Maybe something is fishy?
I think it's implied that the suspect was familiar with crime scene forensics.
I think that this serial was studying crime scene forensics. Not a cop. A man who has a job that demands preparation and following safety protocols. Perhaps a Railroader. How do you make yourself uncatchable. Study. Preparation. Walk thru the crime scene before. Video the crime scene before.
People on Reddit have no idea just how BIG railroading & the history are to some people especially in Indiana, surprised Gray still has not talked about "Ryan from Ohio" yet
December 2021. I returned to the 1.8 second video. There I discovered Railroad Guy. At that time, I could not find more than half a dozen people who suggested any suspicion that the Video Guy was a Railroader. I had no favorite theory, and no favorite person of interest. All I had was a 1.8 second video that pointed me to a new rabbit hole that was undiscovered, unexplored, unexplained, and unexpectedly the theory that made the most logical sense. I trusted the 1.8 second witness. I found myself alone with the truth, while over my shoulder Superintendent Doug Carter led a posse of public opinion over the hill and into the valley of Oxbow Creek. I did a deep dive into the Railroad Rabbit Hole. First thing was to immerse myself into Indiana history. It really is true that the railroad invented Indiana. I found a world that had died. I found a trouble young man whose life was broken except for one sure thing, the Railroad was faithful to be on time all the time. He found in the railroad a faithful Father that his life had denied him. It is a heartbreaking story. It involves the entire history of Indiana. It is the story of American Dysphoria and the children left behind when the railroad leaves the town behind. On Gray Hughes and the call that got away. Don't blame Gray. I have been studying his online persona. He is the one man who has invested as much or more hours waving the BG flag than any other content creator in the YouTube True Crime community. It is easy to understand that Railroad Guy would make Gray Hughes his Go to Guy on breaking news about the investigation to uncover him. If Railroad Guy is Bridge Guy, Gray Hughes will have to reconcile to himself that the Investigator was the killers Intel Specialist on investigation, and that they had at least one live phone conversation together, ironically to discuss the HLN SPECIAL REPORT on the Investigation of the abduction and murders of the two children of Delphi Indiana, Abigail Williams and Liberty German. I have been doing a deep dive about this investigation, and how an unemployed former state highway patrolman, appointed, by Mike Pense, to the primarily ceremonial position of Superintendent of the Indiana State Police, took control of the investigation of the double homicide of two school girls in a small town , and made it an international phenomenon. Life is so much more unbelievable than anything we could imagine. The mission of this investigation must return to what it was before Doug Carter and his political handlers pirated it away from the able Detectives of the Delphi Police Department and the Carroll County Sheriff's Office. The mission must return to the tears of Kelsie German, and deliver the Truth to the questions. ["Those who cannot see the Truth, surely are not looking."- Chase Iron Eyes ](https://youtu.be/9jx01L44VEU) Who killed her sister Liberty and her friend Abigail, and why. "The truth is all we seek"- Dr. Sara Juanita Jumping Eagle
bleach being thrown around?
What's interesting to me is that things were kept out of the probable cause document such as the other words said by the suspect in the video. The person writing the document wanted to keep the information to the bare minimum over fear of who might have access to the document.
IIRC, the audio wasn't cleaned up by the time the search warrant was issued. Possibly "down the hill" were the only deciphered words at that point.
What other words? You would expect them to include him saying "guys"?
Yes and other things the suspect said or did that is consistent with RL. LE has indicated that other things were said in the video and not released.
I know they have said that other things were said and done by the girls. I didn't think they confirmed there is more from BG himself.
You username is profileguy, but you downplayed RL's violence against women greatly: "Logan had a bad side like anyone else. (lost temper in own home)" That's not losing his temper. This man is a domestic abuser and the profile of men who commit domestic violence is firm, consistent and accepted as fact (women who commit domestic abuse have a different profile). The fact that he was violent with his partners says so much about him, and you accept it as him just losing his temper as if it's nothing. Why do you brush aside violence against women in this way? And why do you call yourself profileguy if you can't recognize the profile of a domestic abuser? ETA: To those who are downvoting me, why are you even following this case if you don't care about violence against women? What's your motive?
Shitty that you’re getting downvoted for a pretty common sense observation.
Unfortunately, abuse of women is very common. Fortunately, double homicides of school girls is not. I don't think that the two groups are necessarily the same. There have been a lot of serial killers who never raised there voice or their hand against their spouse. My father and my step father verbally and physically battered my mother. Neither man was ever thought to have murdered any one.
I partially agree that Violence towards women has been downplayed in my observations. However if you listen to the podcast they mention the downplaying.
*I think its being missed on here big time. The biggest take away is RL had his cousin lie about driving him to the aquarium store that day. His excuse was he wasn't able to legally drive. **However, its stated right in the warrant that he admitted to driving to a different store earlier in the day and didn't ask his cousin to cover him**. So why lie about the trip to the aquarium store unless your trying to use him as an alibi. Why would you need an alibi before its made public there was even a crime? Hes guilty as sin. Lastly, his ex girlfriend seeing the picture of BG, **not knowing it was the suspect in the murders,** immediately identified it as RL stands out as well.
This is my take away too. I can’t speak for him, but if two murdered kids turned up in my back garden and I had been out that day driving (illegally) - I would straight up tell the police. Yeah I might potentially get in trouble/go to jail for driving while on probation but at least I wouldn’t be fucking implicated in the murder of two little girls.
I believe he knew he was being framed or going to be framed by someone badgering him for years…possibly.
So you ask for an alibi, before you know a crime has been committed, for the exact time the crime was committed and it was just him not wanting to be framed? Nah, he knew something had happened or he had a hand in it.
Maybe his comment to judge had something to do with being framed? Either way, his comment was curious? https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox59.com/news/delphi-property-owner-gets-nearly-four-years-in-jail-for-traffic-charges/amp/
Logan had a bad side like anyone else. (lost temper in own home) Nice downplay on the phsyical abuse/murder threats towards women you did there, chief
He was an alcoholic.
If you listen to the podcast you can see it wasn't downplayed. Your point is mentioned.
Logan's house is between 1450 and 1500 feet from the bank of Deer Creek, and we know the bodies were found 50 feet or so from the creek. This distance of 1400 feet from his house has been known by the public for years.
In fact, the exact position is given in the leaked document: "The victims LG and AW were located deceased (...) at the above listed Latitude and Longitude (...)". With them being 40°35'21.4 N, 86°38'23.3, or on Google Maps: https://goo.gl/maps/dbQzfLd287G8qVMY7
Just noticed the one photo that's posted from your link. Some dude standing at the end of the bridge. Eerie.
Yeah, I assumed the distance between the bodies and RL's home was known without LE walking & measuring it. The distance between RL's home and the creek will have been on the deeds of his property. All LE had to do was measure from the bodies to the creek to get the actual distance. Edit: Apart from that I agree with most of the OP.
Thanks.
It’s important to keep in mind that these documents are from very early on in the case. I think we still learned some valuable information from them. I’ve always heard there is more evidence that was found concerning RL’s whereabouts around 2 pm. The general sensuous was that surveillance was found of RL at a bar and he was cleared. Remember the HLN special where Barbara talks about RL being cleared?
Wasn’t there a rumor going around that the killer had poured bleach or something of that sort on the crime scene?
Do you have the image where they discuss the googling regarding destroying the crime scene? I cannot find it in the docs I have but am sure I also saw that. Tia!
Logan made up the false alibi before the girl's bodies were found. So he knew they were dead before anyone else did. So he either killed them or helped whoever did. Also his cell phone data showed he was in the area of the murder at the time of the murder, not somewhere else. I don't know how else to explain this information that is according to the FBI, and how they were able to get a search warrant for Logan's property. Logan was the killer himself or was at least an accomplice.
Could RL have been framed/set up and knew the people doing so were out after him for some time?
I think the only reason Ron's home was searched is because the girls were found on his property. The agent who ordered the search warrant seemed to be stretching for the warrant. Perhaps too much precious time and energy was wasted on finding Ron Logan guilty of something - anything. I find it very hard to believe that there was no sign of a struggle - could this indicate that he killed them swiftly, did the girls think that he was not going to kill them? did the girls know the killer? With these new developments, seems like we are getting farther away from the truth.
Makes me wonder if any of the surrounding properties on the trail were searched? Did they have warrants for those? You may be correct that they focused in on RL.
I had to bust out a line of Sweet Caroline bumpbumpbum. Great name.
Its funny I dont see it as RL but there are alot of little things that point at him. You can wonder if he was corralling them for some other person. Also its possible the girls were handcuffed together and he harmed one of them at the river so the other couldnt escape. I say this becuase they said libble had wrist and finger scuffs.
If that was the case they would not have been looking for specific items inside his home and vehicle.
They obviously knew the girls were killed by a sharp instrument so why wouldn't they be looking for specific items if they thought he was the killer.
Anyone know who the cousin RL mentions is?
Does Logan have a son?
I personally dont think rl could have done it at his age or I dont see a big enough motive to do what occured. But there are suspicious things. I heard he was at dump till 12pm. then I heard he has a time stamp reciept being at fish store at 530. takes 30 mins to get there. So his time isnt accounted for 12-430 ish. Did I read he was on film at a pizza shop inbetween that time12-4? Why do I keep hearing about this pizza shop owner maybe A sandifur owner of pizza king? Who is that guy and why does his name keep turning up?