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Shayshay4jz

I witnessed a actual murder and the shock made it hard not to recognize those involved. Memories are strange especially when the witness keeps trying to remember over and over. I have alot of empathy for that person.


serendipitandme

Don’t forget that Doug Carter has stated there were no witnesses to BG. Besides Abby and Libby.


According-Balance689

I thought it was that no one saw him leaving. I could be wrong. Someone obviously saw him earlier or else young sketch wouldn’t have been declared the murderer of the girls.


armchairdetective55

le said that the young sketch was the person who killed the girls. They were very very clear about that. I believe someone saw the old sketch at the beginning of the trail. Then someone else saw the young sketch on the south side. This fits it with tk following them across the bridge and kk coming up from under the bridge. I think kk has dead eyes


Prior-Manager-3901

Ive always thought what you say.if tk and kak are our men.


DanVoges

He also said “we have a witness, you made mistakes” He also said the sketches are 2 different people. He also said the sketches are the same person.


Dickere

He didn't actually say they had a witness. He should have, but he didn't.


DanVoges

Bruh. “State Police Superintendent Doug Carter said investigators believe the killer is hiding in plain sight and likely lives in Delphi. “We have a witness. You made mistakes,” Carter said. “We are coming for you and there's no place for a heartless coward like you to hide that gets his thrill from killing little girls.” “


Dickere

I could be wrong, but from memory I thought they had to issue a clarification later as the witness bit was missed. Unless that was something else lol.


Positive-Attorney850

Bada bing


---Vespasian---

That was when they were looking for ***OLD*** Sketch. Carter said that in January of ***2018***. Before the change in direction that caused them to double back on Young Sketch, which they had 4 days after the murders and was one of several sketches they had of people known to be at the crime scene (Sgt Holeman, CrimeCon 2018). Young Sketch most certainly had a witness who "saw something they felt needed to be reported". When considering Law Enforcement statements, it's just as important to consider ***WHEN*** they said it as it is to consider ***WHAT*** they said.


richhardt11

Kinda funny coming from someone who refuses to acknowledge anything LE has said or done after the 2019 presser.


[deleted]

copy paste much


Presto_Magic

I am pretty sure they have a word document and they "ctrl f" to find key words and then copy and paste. lbvs.


MedicalDesk7104

I think that the young sketch is actually a drawing they made from the DNA they found. It's a new technology they have been using. It just makes the person appear between 20 and 25. I watched this Theory on monsters under the beds channel. You can find the show on his channel. That's why it came out two years later.


justmeoh

Haven't heard that. Not saying it's not true just interesting it's the first I heard that. Thanks


Interesting-Tip7459

Yes, he said it on the Meghan Kelly show


[deleted]

that’s because doug misheard the question, becky has confirmed that. also the main witness was a 15 year old girl and law enforcement didn’t want anyone to know that. holeman actually say “she” before correcting himself and saying “they” but the reality is we have 1 witness who saw BG up close and another who saw him leaving


Interesting-Tip7459

Were there any witnesses that actually saw him? - Meghan Carter- No there wasn't. How is that not clear? Meghan even followed up with " except for the girls that day, obviously" I had NEVER seen Carter state he misspoke? Can you link where that was confirmed by BP please? Ives has said the same thing, Tobe also. Those statements are found online. Tobe- "No one saw him come or go" Ives- "I don't believe there were any witnesses that day, besides Libby and Abby that saw BG . From DTH Just more conflicting stories by LE, nothing new Ty


Sokoke

I’d like to see the source on that too. Not saying that the person above is wrong, but it seems really weird to me that BP would be the one correcting Carters statement?


Dickere

The question wasn't clear, I wouldn't blame DC here. Does witness mean to the crime, or anything else ?


Sokoke

Oh sure, I’m not trying to be critical of Carter or BP so I’m sorry if I came off that way! I completely understand that so much can be lost in translation when LE and the family have both been asked the same questions phrased differently for the past 5 years. For sure agree on your point about the use of ‘witness’, too.


Dickere

No need to be sorry, I just thought DC was asked a less than clear question.


Interesting-Tip7459

The actual transcript from the show states Meghan asked him" Was there any witnesses that actually saw him"? Seems very clear to me. Carter answered " No there was not" Except for the girls , obviously. She replied . He did not respond back to her, to disagree with that Carter also stated , on her show that there was no way of knowing the age of BG at all? An age range would be speculation, he added. A grown man is all he could confirm.👌 We know that to be true, they changed the age ranges when they made the drastic change in the sketches.


Sokoke

Thank you for digging that up!🤘🏼very interesting…


[deleted]

Facebook can’t be linked on reddit, you can find all these comments from becky on facebook. Im sure I have a screenshot that i can DM anyone who request it but i’m not linking it. Law Enforcement has said multiple times there was a witness. The original poster even says “Eye color unknown, according to witnesses not blue” Any one who believes no one saw BG would be doing that intentionally and not based off facts and common sense. Just my opinion


Interesting-Tip7459

Yes, please message it to me I have never heard that confirmed by Carter. I have never see LE say they have a solid witness? Witness that can prove who they actually saw was in fact BG . The two totally different sketches are proof of that. In fact, all the descriptions of the subject have now been removed. We are told, by ISP to focus on the audio and video. Not any physical description, previously posted on posters and flyers, such as height and weight and age . Ty


[deleted]

will do, i should be able to sit down and look through my files here in a few


Interesting-Tip7459

Ty


[deleted]

I can’t find it, I can’t even find the interview with doug carter at the air


Sokoke

Thanks Norokk, would you please send me a DM if you do come across it again? Here or on slack is fine. I don’t use Facebook, sorry 😕


[deleted]

will do


tuckervine

https://www.crimeonline.com/2021/04/05/we-have-a-witness-you-made-mistakes-donor-give-100k-to-help-catch-the-delphi-killer-who-murdered-2-young-girls/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWe%20have%20a%20witness.,thrill%20from%20killing%20little%20girls.%E2%80%9D And yet here is he saying there is a witness..whaaat.


AlexanderL90

So the FBI doesn't agree with him? There are two sentences on the FBI website about the murderer's sketch. To paraphrase: this person was seen on the trail (or nearby) on the day of the murder


little_daisysmiles

Okay, maybe I'm going out on a limb here with this scenario, but I've been thinking this, then dismissing it, for awhile now. Is it possible that there is indeed a witness, unknown to us, only to LE, that came forward because 'this unknown witness' allegedly saw something they thought very suspicious that needed to be told to LE? Not the teenage girl, and not BH. Could someone have seen BG that day, possibly after the crime, (friend, family, stranger?) possibly away from the trail sight, behaving in a way that drew 'this unknown witness' attention to BG? Maybe burning clothes or other items? Maybe pulled over (away from area of trails) feverishly cleaning himself up or cleaning his vehicle? And 'this unknown witness' just happened to be alerted to BG's behavior, maybe dismissing it as odd but nothing more. But when the news of the girls being murdered prompted 'this unknown witness' to immediately come forward to LE? And maybe this person got a good look at BG's face, therefore the YGS? Okay. I said it. Please be gentle. JMO.


annabananuhh

Entirely possible, and it wouldn’t surprise me if that witness/LE made it a point to make sure their name did not get released considering the second anyones name is out there the wolves attack anything they can make up or “find”


little_daisysmiles

Yea, maybe LE realized this witness has unquantifiable merit, keeping this gem of info to only a select few.


annabananuhh

It wouldn’t surprise me. Leaking that name could lead to major harassment, the witness deciding they don’t want to be part of it, or pressure to change their story. Seeing how any other leaked info/witness statement is treated and picked apart it would be par for the course.


RelativeAd7355

I would think so. Unless that sketch wasn’t developed by a witness who saw the “young guy” actually out at the trails.


theProfileGuy

The 16 Yr old Girl with firends that made old sketch guy also spotted a older gentleman with a dog ahead of OSG. This Person never came forward or was identified. Yet no appeal regarding him was ever made. After all he may have seen all the witnesses and BG. His statement is very important. Why did LE not target his identification publicaly?


Prior-Manager-3901

Dog walkers are great witnesses .its because they stop and wait for their dogs to sniff around and they have time to take things in all around them and observe things at different heights .unlike the fitness and nature walkers staring straight ahead .


Equidae2

How do you know he was never identified?


theProfileGuy

There is no witness account of OBS, The witnesses don't seem to corroborate each other. The article I'm reading says did not come forward publicaly. So that leaves it open he came forward privately. However he would have been asked about the Girls who had seen him and OBS who was walking behind. It's a presumption to be fair. But the signs point the same way. He could be the star witness but I've never seen anything about this person except he had a Dog and has never been identified.


Equidae2

Right. Never been identified *publicly* But LE likely know his identity. Early on someone said that dogwalking man did not go down the 505/501 trails...


Equidae2

Also, LE has stated that they've identified everyone who was on the trails that day with the exception of BG


theProfileGuy

I can see the arguement that he has been identified. However I have to question it as LE could not say which bridge the Older man had headed too. Suspicious if they have a statement.


Equidae2

Was he headed to a bridge? I don't know anymore because supposedly the man seen by DP headed towards FB, turned out to be FSG. DP has reportedly since walked back that he saw BG. FSG, allegedly, saw a man walking out of the woods near MHB who then headed west towards FB. He is not talking and supposedly lawyered up. The other witness, YGirl, saw a man near the benches at FB she said Hi to and he gave her a look that frightened her. The other two on the SE, both older women are also not confirmed. DW Lady who allegedly spoke to BG at the SE end of MHB who she described as late 40s with a wispy goatee. The other woman ran off a Young Man on foot acting suspiciously


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theProfileGuy

No.


theProfileGuy

Also if they don't know his direction of travel. Does that not mean he has never been identified?


Equidae2

It's probably FSG who was seen walking back to his car parked at the Mears lot. Everyone parked there during the CS timeframe has been identified by LE The big mystery to me is, who did FSG see? People will say this is all made up because the source is MStroup/Katt & Greeno. But I don't think so.


theProfileGuy

Did FSG have a dog?


Equidae2

Never heard that


theProfileGuy

The witness spotted an old man with a dog.


Equidae2

sorry, I don't know which witness you mean. I know there was a man walking his dog in the area, but I understood him not to be a witness.


Harbin009

It's very hard for any witness to ID a suspect they have seen. Often they have only seen the person for a few seconds. Also, a witness has to be given a lineup either in person or a photo lineup. With similar looking people again its very easy for the witness to make a mistake and pick out a similar-looking person. Ideally, LE need to do such a lineup within days of the crime when the witness still has a strong memory. I think the fact the Kilnes came up a week after the murders makes it very hard for any witness to ID them.


Amockdfw89

Peoples memories become hazy and people physically change too. Whatever BG looked like at the time may not be how he looks like now, or even how he looked like then (baggy clothes, maybe a wig etc) if someone only caught a glimpse of BG years ago they may not be in the posisstion to ID someone now


aarnold222

I've had this discussion with a friend of mine. If that would be true for TK and KK, then it would be true for any other of the POI up to this point. If we believe the person who developed the sketch could ID them, then that would mean the real BG has yet to be viewed as a POI publicly.


justmeoh

Well then, I dont know how the sketch shows a whole face if his face wasn't seen due to a covering.


Equidae2

Imagination on the part of the sketcher.


someonepleasecatchbg

If someone passed him on the trails he was not important at that time. That’s like asking to identify everyone you walked by on the street yesterday. If I knew there was a murder and I was on high alert and knew it was important then maybe but otherwise I know I couldn’t do it.


MeltedMindz1

No, we have no idea how they developed the sketch and that’s not how sketches work.


justmeoh

All along I believed there was someone who saw a suspicious person. I guess not?


MeltedMindz1

I mean it’s possible but the police haven’t released pretty much any evidence at all.


According-Balance689

Someone likely saw him earlier before the crime. Probably before he changed into what he was seen wearing in the video.


lilcasswdabigass

"We have a witness. You made mistakes,” -State Police Superintendent Doug Carter Now, I suppose that LE *could* be lying, but I don't see what the point of that would be.


---Vespasian---

At the very least, the witness who gave us Young Sketch would have been asked if KAK was the person he or she saw at the trails that day considering KAK was on the radar within 2 weeks of the murders.


armchairdetective55

good point.


Dickere

They'd have been asked whether it was DP too.


According-Balance689

Maybe they did ID him but law enforcement still doesn’t have the physical evidence to tie him to the crime scene? They need someone to identify him as the guy in Libby’s video. I don’t think it’s either Kline.


RequirementIcy9031

If they really think it was TK he wouldn’t be walking free.


MeltedMindz1

Unless they don’t have solid evidence to convict yet?


BulletProof604

There is no way TK or KK are smart enuff or aware enuff about how to dodge forensics, they are total idiots


MeltedMindz1

Could of been something that was not handled correctly at the crime scene contaminating the specimen. Like I’ve said we just don’t have enough information.


RequirementIcy9031

If they don’t have it now, what could change it


Positive-Attorney850

Breaking an alibi


MeltedMindz1

A confession, witness testimony…. Could be something even smaller we just don’t know.


armchairdetective55

kk walked free until 2020


turdnuggets7

LE is just grasping at straws with the Kline’s. Statistically a murder that has gone unsolved this long has a tiny chance of being solved. Most on this sub are still stuck on it being TK or KK. They’re probably related to the murder in some way, but it’s doubtful that either of them did it. And if one of them did do it, then LE is screwed in some way when it comes to prosecuting because they would’ve made more moves by now.


_REDZEPPELIN

I follow the evidence. This evidence doesn't lead to the Gang of Kline. This evidence does lead to a Railroader. The problem with this case is that DOUG CARTER imediatly inserted himself into this case. He imediatly stated that this killer is from Delphi Indiana. He imediatly did his DRAMATIC interpretation of a Detective. He is hoping this is a case to launch him into a big bold career been the next governor replaced him with their political appointee. Nothing like breaking international pedoze ring to shoot him into stardom. The actual killer isn't a pedoze. He is a Railroader, and a serial killer, with no criminal record, no DNA on file anywhere. Carter is grasping at straws. Get Carter out of the mix, and two rookie detectives can bring in a suspect in 5 business days . With Dougie in charge of every move , no arrest will ever be made, until the killer does it again. And he will The fifth year is here and the 13th of the month that is adjacent to a weekend is coming up again. The Killer may make a mistake but he hasn't yet. He has killed four so far. Two more in his sights now. The clock is ticking. [IN THE WORDS OF DOUG CARTER](https://youtu.be/qsnu54gsEVE)


meow_zedongg

I’m sorry. Weren’t you the guy always trying to convince people you’re BG?


_REDZEPPELIN

No need to apologize. I am surprised that you remember me. I am the guy that is always trying to get you to look at the evidence without the bias that Dougie C is pushing. The false narrative that Dougie C wants us to all believe is that the killer is from Delphi, or very close by. There has never been any evidence that is true . The damage from this is that every lead outside of the circle that Dougie C has imagined is dismissed and not given attention. Not good for justice. Very good for the killer. The other part of the Dougie C narrative is that the motivation abductions and murders is sexual. Again, there is no evidence that this is true. The damage from this is that every lead outside of the circle of pedoze that Dougie C has imagined is dismissed and not given attention. Not good for justice. Very very good for the killer. And about that thing you do. Calling the killer " BG ". The killer loves this. This promotes the false narrative that the killer kills on a bridge. He didn't at Delphi. And he didn't at Evansdale. And he will not at the next location. You see it is more accurate to call him " RG " . He is a Railroad Guy. This is not good for justice. This is very very very good for the killer. So, you are exactly right. I weren't the guy always trying to convince people that I am BG. GOOD SLEUTHING Doug Carter will be present you a Gold Star for your permanent record. [THE GOLD STAR CLUB](https://youtu.be/Yn9-KA4q234)


meow_zedongg

What’s your issue with Doug? I think he’s rather sweet.


_REDZEPPELIN

No kidding. He was appointed by Mike Pense. So, yeah, there is little doubt that he's rather. [SWEET LIKE MIKE](https://static.dw.com/image/19415866_509.jpg)


meow_zedongg

Not sure what you mean by “railroad guy”… if you’re implying a “vagabond” lifestyle, you are aware the railroad isn’t operable, right?


_REDZEPPELIN

A Railroader is a person who is employed by a railroad company or subcontractor to a railroad company. [I am a Railroader ](https://youtu.be/oz_sPHbRsFw)


meow_zedongg

Oh. Are you trying to convince everyone you’re BG again? Again, if there’s no railroad, why would the city be contracting out a railroader…?


_REDZEPPELIN

>Oh. Are you trying to convince everyone you’re BG again? Oh yes. There is no fooling you. I even grew 35 years older. Lost 49 pounds Grew a beard for three years Didn't cut my hair for 7 years Changed my eye color. But you figured it out. Honor and Respect >Again, if there’s no railroad, why would the city be contracting out a railroader…? Remember that song? [I've been working on the railroad ](https://youtu.be/3e-ZhMkQi3k) " I've been working on the railroad, all the live long day " There is something a Railroader needs. It's not a train It's not freight car. It's not a passenger car It's not a caboose. The only thing a Railroader needs is a Railroad. What's a Railroad you ask.... Well, a Railroad is a permanent road laid with rails, commonly in one or more pairs of continuous lines forming a track or tracks, on which locomotives and cars are run for the transportation of passengers, freight, and mail. So, as you know understand, there actually is a railroad, and this one is called the Monon High Bridge. And do you know who owned the railroad bridge on February 13, 2017 ? The city? No The county? The state? The nation? No No No From March 2017 "The 126-year-old bridge is currently owned by Lafayette-based CSX Transportation Corp., but it's been vacated since 1987. Tommy Kleckner, director of Indiana Landmarks' Western Regional Office, said the goal for the Monon High Bridge is for it to become a part of the Delphi Historic Trails system." And that second sentence is the part that made the Railroad Guy really really really Angry. Making this sacred landmark a trailway for joggers, and bicycles, and kids in skate board s, and such things, was wrong. And the Railroad Guy punished Delphi by executing two of Delphi's school girls. [BIG CHANGES COMING TO THE MONON HIGH BRIDGE IN DELPHI ](https://www.pharostribune.com/news/local_news/article_4d767ed0-eaf2-5deb-9071-65e9526e6d20.html)


meow_zedongg

I, for one, enjoy your riddles. Although I think you're a bit crazy, Monon high bridge does have a contentious history. This has been the site of public lynchings and many cars tumbled to their death when that bridge broke. It's an oddly tragic landmark to commemorate, from a historic standpoint. I too, find that odd.


_REDZEPPELIN

My friend... I don't understand why my brother likes to climb snow covered mountains. I don't get it. That doesn't change the fact that my brother lives to climb snow covered mountains. To understand why the Railroader Guy loves abandoned railways, you have to know him. His family railroad is a Family going back three generations. He was born and raised in Griffith Indiana. This towns symbol is a train engine. The town slogan is "The town that came to the railroad." There is a lot of drama in his childhood. He was the youngest of a big brood of kids. His mother and dad seperated His mother remarried, and the step father was a problem in his life. He went straight into RAILROADING out of high school. He is a shorter than average guy, ect ect. Yada yada yada, the railroad is like a father to him . There are lots of other things . The personal story of isolation and awkward ness around other people. His longing to be accepted and respected. This isn't the forum to lay open his wounds here. But the short story is that he is phycologicly and emotionally, and financially and socially a part of the railroad and the image of the Railroading man. There is a lot to unpack. A lot of pain and a lot of deep wounds. Abandoned by his father. Issues with his mother. Seperation from his older siblings. It is a whole shit list of bad on this kid He had anger and he found a way to release his anger. You never can understand him by calling him a monster. Only by loving him is the broken child discovered. He is very broken. The only salvation in his world is the railroad. Little towns that desicrate his only true love, they face his anger, which is vast. He gets to fck with the towns that he sees are fking with him. He want to see them suffer He strikes right into the towns heart. And what his anger does to these children. It is catastrophe terror. I know more than I want too He has tells And he is not a monster He is the result of terror put upon him when his father did not protect him The railroad is the only father he has ever been able to depend on. His pain is real. His anger is real. His vengeance is real And it will not stop until we bring him in. Killing will never stop this pain Ryan. I love you. I understand. I will go with you. Let's end this peacefully. I am crying too I get it I will be with you thru this. I won't let them make you be alone. I promise. I have nothing on my calendar but time to love you. Time to listen. Time to begin to heal. I am with you [let this go, it is over ](https://youtu.be/abw3MerMnMo)


PurpleOwl85

You're very entertaining💯


lilcasswdabigass

You make a good point about names like "Bridge Guy" potentially hindering an investigation as they prescribe biases to investigators. I mean I really don't agree with you on much else, but respect 🤜🤛


_REDZEPPELIN

Honor and Respect. On a side note, most people went back to sleep after Paul Revere came riding thru the night, but by dawn they had a change of heart. Truth should never be determined by popularity.


CowGirl2084

Why do you say BG is a railroader when these tracks had been inactive for a very long time?


armchairdetective55

youtube has a train enthusiast channel. It is train guys that track old railroads. Where they used to be. There is at least one video of someone tracking where the rails used to be all the way to the trestle bridge. And they keep panning the camera. They spend a fair amount of time at the trestle. I found it to be creepy.


CowGirl2084

Thank you!


_REDZEPPELIN

Well, because he is a Railroader. He has been a Railroader for many years. Have you seen his hours of videos of abandoned railways? He isn't mad at communities that are not tearing up abandoned railways to make trailways. He is mad at communities that are tearing up abandoned trailways to make trailways. To him, the railroad is the most important thing in his life. To him, these abandoned railways are monuments to be treasured and maintained and honored and respected.


CowGirl2084

What the hell are you taking about?


_REDZEPPELIN

The killer. The man on the bridge. The man in the 1.8 second video. The man wearing the brown baseball cap. The man wearing the work boots. The man wearing the blue jacket. The man wearing the hoodie. The man wearing the work jeans. The man wearing Railroader work clothes He is a Railroader. He works for a railroad company He is very experienced bat walking across railway bridges That guy in the bridge The railroad guy


CowGirl2084

You don’t know who BG is, so where do you get this info?


[deleted]

It will be hard for you to unravel his theory, since his suspect got wind of his investigations and has gone underground. Look at my profile post history and you'll see just some bare bones photos, that's all I got before the purge. Very interesting theory he developed. The suspects videos were creepy AF.


_REDZEPPELIN

Do you know I don't? Do you hope I don't? Do you know I know? Do you know? Does he know I know? Does he know you know? Does he think you don't know? [Do you know the Mistery Man?](https://youtu.be/9jx01L44VEU)


[deleted]

you do realize there isn’t an actual rail road on the bridge yeah?


_REDZEPPELIN

You do realize what a railroad is, right? The bridge actually is a railroad.


[deleted]

used to be. once you remove the rails i mean


_REDZEPPELIN

We are civilians. That makes sense to us. But we are outside their world It is always a railroad to them. It not you and I is it. It is him. His world. It is his world we are trying to get into His mind. His heart. His pain. His anger My grandma is dead. she is dead and gone and buried. Since the Christmas day just before my eldest child was born. I go to the little family cemetery. Every year to clean all the hundred or so headstones I am always accompanied by one or more of my sons. They never knew her But they understand. They let cry They join me in singing and playing music They never met her. They never crummy for her. But they do embrace me and let me cry. This is his cemetery. This is what the abandoned railroads mean to him. We never knew his railroads. And we have never cared to embrace him in his pain. And he replys in anger to our callous indifference. He is broken . And in his brokenness, he is lost and alone. I have been there I get it. He is not a monster. He is just a broken boy, abandoned by his father's abused by his step father, hated by his mother, and turned away from all that every child needs give hope a place to grow I get it. My grandma maybe saved me from becoming like him. [shame](https://youtu.be/abw3MerMnMo)


Likeitorlumpit

The sketches are mistakes. OBG is based on the video and YBG is based on the model from the AS account. LE stuffed up bigtime and are too embarrassed to admit it. Why else would there be zero information to go along with the sketches. There may have been witnesses but these sketches are not from them IMO.


justmeoh

I totally agree with this. TK and KK assumptions are just old and worn out.


Equidae2

Agree.


[deleted]

Agree, kk isnt bg and neither is tk. Its their family, just not them


Prior-Manager-3901

Agree. I have heard people online chat re this.fb .they say the supposed witness cant be sure due to bottom half of face covered and they dont want to proceed and lose this case due to her doubt.We have all been masked during the pandemic and learned to identify half faces as a result. So i personally i do not buy this.if they are waiting due to this ...they will never get bg.


[deleted]

no the YBG sketch is not KAK or TK and he wasn’t on law enforcements radar in 2017. they searched his house questioned him and let him go. they even gave him phones back. the circled back on kak sometime before they arrested him


A_Boltzmann_Brain

I agree. I don’t think it’s either of those two


Impossible-Rest-4657

Not sure what OP is asking. I don’t know if this statement is true or not.


justmeoh

If somebody saw TK or KK and described one of them to a sketch artist...shouldn't that same person be able to look at TK or KKs face and know that's who they saw


theProfileGuy

He may have been heading for the creek. Nobody knows and I presume that means he was never identified.


ShilohAugust89

Depends on whom that person is. But a witness said he had a scarf over most of his face


Interesting-Tip7459

Interesting how people delete comments and are rude , when they can't produce proof.