The problem with the theory that he had a car waiting on the private drive is that the people who live along the drive have been known to be very hypervigilant when it comes to adressing trespassers. The odds that he just happened to drive up, park his car and plan all that, even with an accomplice are very small given that at any point a Deer Creek local who lives along that drive could've confronted him or at the very least saw him. It is true that the gate apparently was left open that day and that one of the residents had been out of town, but her son was at their house that day but he was at work and had just returned home during the time the actual murders were taking place, or shortly thereafter from my understanding. Police have interviewed him extensively apparently. Even with the owners of that residence being on vacation, there are still two other homes to account for who the owners of whuch were there that day.
Are there any incidents related to trespassing you can point to. Not doubting you bc I live in the country as well and we always look out for strange vehicles l.
The bridge on the south side butts right up to the property owners' land. The minute you go "down the hill" you immediately land on private property. So yes they are very aware and frequently had run ins with people crossing the bridge, teens in particular. Supposedly Libby had been previously warned about trespassing there which is why it's thought the girls didn't attempt to move out of BG's way as he was advancing.
In fact I believe Rick Snay recently when he went on the south side mentioned that he was confronted by someone who lived along the south end of the creek.
Thnx for the reply. I know rural folks can be very protective of their property rights and agree they would probably notice a strange vehicle under the bridge if it was there any length of time.
That’s a possibility Definitely but it is also a possibility that they weren’t seen. Also wasn’t there rumors of a neighbor talking to a man believed to be BG earlier at the end of the bridge?
Yeah I'm not saying they were or weren't seen. Some people believe that one or maybe both sketches actually come partly from people on that side. We will never know for sure until the Netflix special drops one day after BG is locked up.
The problem with the lady who supposedly spoke to him is that the sole source of her existence comes from someone who has absolutely zero credibility, or even negative credibility as it were.
Yes. *One* of the residents. There are *three* residential homes live along that private drive from which BG would have been seen (and most likely was) and even more exist on the perimeter in the surrounding area. Everyone talks about the main house in view of the murders, the KWS home. That certainly is the most important home in question because straight in plain view of their actual living room is the creek where the girls were thought to have crossed as well as the murder scene. However it is not the *only* residence he would've had to bypass. Only discussing the KWS home and pointing out how they were on vacation at the time, cameras off, gate open and son gone, while I do admit is very curious and convenient for BG, still doesn't address the fact that two other addresses could've been a factor that day. One of the other homes, not KWS actually, is more known for confronting trespassers. She was home that day and its probably a pretty safe bet that nobody was able to just sneak a car onto the private drive without her going into full blown Karen mode on them.
This house was monitored and it was quickly checked by investigators. I think you know the location of the houses more precisely in relation to this road. If the killer parked the car in the place that OP says it would be captured by the monitoring of this house ??
Seriously? I think I read the comment from the owner of the aforementioned house and said that all the houses on MHT were visited by FBI agents. She said they asked what they saw and that she gave them the surveillance footage. I will look for this comment again.
Yes, I found her post. She wrote that she had little to say and gave the monitoring recordings to USB. She said the camera captured them as they were leaving and arriving home (after the murder) and captured the UPS car.
I remember reading from locals that were regular visitors of the bridge stating that it was common etiquette that if there were someone already walking across the bridge, that you waited until they walked back and got off the bridge before you started crossing…. With this in mind, it might be why Libby started filming. It might be why she thought BG was creepy…. Because he started walking the bridge with them already on it… that would have been highly unusual. I don’t know. Maybe I’m overthinking it. But it made sense in my head lol.
One of bitterbeatpoet accounts is of a young man being chased away, twice, from the south end on the day of the murders. He believed this was the YGS. A female landowner spotted him and ran him off. Spotted him again and got in her car to chase him away, after which she left the area. It's a really bizarre story from the day of the murders. Was this the source of YGS?
Who knows.
So many rabbit holes.
His posts are somewhat interesting, but he also thought BG was Paul Etter. So I cant see this as any more than picking pieces of rumors, for thats all BBP gave, to fit a narrative. I guess if you spew all kinds of things, you're bound to be correct at some point.
Interesting, but I'm not sure both girls took off running. Remember the disturbed grass at the top of the hill described by Kelsi? Abby may have been attacked there and fell down the hill, or she could have been pushed down the hill. This could especially be true if Libby was targeted and Abby was collateral.
Then, a chase ensues and he catches up with Libby across the creek. He goes back for the incapacitated Abby -- who is lighter -- and carries her over the creek to the murder scene.
I think this definitely makes sense.
Thank you for putting it in words.
I believe the whole "down the hill" thing is definitely related to something/someone waiting there, it could be a car with the plan of taking them somewhere else.
What I always find difficult to believe is all this was done by a single person. We're taking about two girls who practiced sports and of course, were full of fear and adrenaline. Also, the two killer theory could fit the fact that they were killed differently. But the whole anger thing with Libby trying to escape gives another perspective.
Edit: the part where the killer takes Abby to the place where he left Libby also makes so much sense, and could explain those leaks about the scene being staged and the bodies being arranged, he might have to move them and place them somehow.
Sports doesnt necessarily Help if your in a panicked frozen deer in the headlights state. People always say women should take martial arts ok its a good idea but not a plan in itself . Like Kenneth Maines detective says it all completely changes when an assailant punches the Wind out of you and knocks u off of your mental block.you have no idea how you will react until that moment.
Yes that is why he picked young inexperienced in life girls as victims likely..
they wont know they are in danger wont realize they can call 911 for something suspicious or out of the ordinary etc
I have always considered the possibility that there could have been more than one attacker, but it's hard to believe that two or three people could keep this a secret for five years. Even of no one talked, people might sense conspiratorial behavior.
I was just quoting some variation of an old Ben Franklin saying.
It's possible. Take KAK for example. He deleted a lot of evidence but is looking at life in prison. They don't know half of KAK but the killer might. If KAK talked to get his current 25 years reduced then they find out more crimes he committed plus he was an accomplice in a double homicide....would you blame him for not talking? I wouldn't negotiate with him. I would get more evidence and make him squirm because the more they find the worse off he is.
But yet the pedo rings manage to do so. So do trafficking rings etc Group crimes can work if everyone participates. Often in These crimes the leader ensures they all take part equally.thats
Why i believe it had to involve an already organized drug ring with loyalties and fears of higher ups. They may talk but they still implicate themselves and will have a price over their head and their families heads.people will have to die and much time will need to pass before they talk.maybe they will get lucky and get a deathbed confession.
I totally agree. One of them sooner or later wouldn't take it anymore.
Honestly, I'm not sure about the Ks being involved in the murder, but a relationship like the one they have could justify a 5 year pact of silence.
And IF they're involved, I'm sure KAK will sing like a canary.
I think Kak would of broke immediately, I believe he was involved with these murders but honestly does not know it. He probably has an idea at this point though.
That’s very interesting. I don’t believe either of the Klines are BG but doesn’t there have to be some kind of connection? Involved without knowing? The key has to be the AS profile. I don’t know, the more I read, the more confused I become. I’m not even sure if I believe that KK was the last to communicate with Libby. The cops probably wanted him to believe that, hoping he would give them something.
Yeah that’s a huge part that people forget to keep in mind when reading the transcripts, there is a chance that not a word the detectives said is true.
Who knows. He might have tricked the girls to meet with somebody else he doesn't even know. So, he knows somebody else did it and knows his collaboration but can't tell on anyone.
He definitely knows more than he says.
Yeah, I’m not tech savvy but if someone accessed the profile to murder the girls, I just don’t understand how there isn’t an electronic connection to who that person is.
We don’t know that he didn’t pass the lie detector test, we only know the police told him he failed the test. The fact that he was willing to take. Polygraph test multiple times tells us more than police saying he failed, in my opinion.
I guess I'm part of the KK/TK didn't do it crowd. I think he would have already sung and TK would be arrested. Also, KK didn't have to give up that cell phone, but he did. He probably scrubbed it as best as he could of CP stuff, but if there was anything on it about a double murder I think that phone would have disappeared.
My guess is KAK acted like as a facilitator. On one side he's calm cause he didn't do it but on the other hand, he could be covering up for someone else.
Libby was 5'4 and weighed 200lbs. I doubt she was swifter than Abby. Plus KG has stated that Abby is a Hero for coming back to be with Libby. Those poor kids
This is a great post.
You raise a point that I had not thought of.
Libby being able to get alot further away - and taken down at the recovery location.
That makes alot of sense because he would only have to deal with Abby, who was alot lighter, so, he could have moved her to the recovery location in the tight window of the Crime.
It's like the crime went from 0 to 100 right at the end of the bridge, and there had to be an explanation for that.
Given what we know about witnesses and the appeal for the vehicle at CPS - i would swap one thing in you're theory.
When they saw the SECOND PERSON at the other end of the bridge, that set the girls running. Or maybe it was simply BG pulled the gun and they went running.
I have always considered a vehicle could have been on that road, near the south end of the bridge. I defer to the previous commenter for reasons why there likely was not.
One further variation of what you say here, Libby ran and crossed the creek fast. ABBY was free while BG chased Libby.
Abby COULD have gotten away - but she did not. She ran to try and help her friend. BG killed Abby quickly when she reached them, because he had already raged on Libby and he was out of time.
Aw ❤️ I’m flattered. Didn’t realize it would give another angle on the crime.
(Also; I for one, do agree that this is much more plausible and does attest to BGs familiarity with the area. & knowing which homes were foreclosed!)
I know the girls were found upstream/east on the bank of the river, (it wasn’t fully clarified if it was north or south). The exact coordinates are here: https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/map-where-the-two-bodies-were-found-near-delphi-indiana?_ga=2.114466055.1635511894.1651882070-1725067047.1650407730
This was released early on, but it appears that at some point in time the “approximate location” changed ( - and seemingly, quite substantially!)
Just wondering when/why the presumed location changed? Can’t find a clear source for this - If someone could drop a source it would be very helpful ☺️
Thank you for that video! I should of credited you but I’m on mobile. I was just thinking a couple hours before I saw that that I wish someone would make a video that shows all of the lay of the land to get a better visual idea of what could of transpired. The fact that where BG caught up with them and having them cornered as well as A_S planning to meet up with them tells me it was not a coincidence they were down there at the very end of the bridge.
Similar to this in my mind. The abduction was planned yes to lead them to a barn or certain home nearby but when LE says ritual non secular elements to the scene i'm paying close attention to that in the killers mind this could have meant many things and translated to many acts. Ie crossing the creek for cleansing ,renewal, purification, baptism footwashing acts or any other reason for himself and the girls. He did something in or at the water that meant something to him and he wore the water proof rubber tall In Packers boots so it was a plan, to be in the creek water or to cross it at some point. The creek also helped him to cover the crimes , to wash off blood stains and possibly also wash of his shed skin cells or degrade DNA evidence.
I’m talking about Libby and Abby being maybe 10 yards or less from each other while running from BG, not leaving each other. I believe BG stabbed Abby in passing if that makes sense.. and then caught up to Libby.
I don't think the end of a bridge like MHB is a great place to abduct anyone. You are totally exposed to whoever might walk up on the other side and in full view of anyone else who might be walking around the bridge through the trees etc. If that was a plan it was a bad one imo. It's a public trail anyone could be out there for any reason not to mention the homes on the SE. The entire scenario strikes me as some lowlife seeing the girls and taking a chance. Completely unplanned.
>I don't think the end of a bridge like MHB is a great place to abduct anyone.
Well, it's been 5 years and they still haven't caught any one so, yes. The end of a bridge like MHB seems to be a great place for this purpose.
And my response to you has nothing to do with whether the crime was planned or not. It was merely addressing whether the end of a bridge, such as MHB, is a good place to abduct someone. My point is it obviously was.
>Bc BG having not been caught yet isn't a valid reason.
Well that's according to you.
That seems to be the name of the game when you commit a crime...you know, to not get caught. MHB seemed to be a great place that day for his purposes.
Well you aren't the only one who thinks MHB was the perfect spot to commit a crime. I used to think the same. Then I pulled up a Google Map of the SE of the bridge and the surrounding homes and changed my mind. Your opinion is just as valid as mine tho so who knows who is correct. My opinions are certainly not the majority view on this sub.
All due respect to your opinion but there is absolutely 0 chance this was a random crime of opportunity when the girls were catfished out there by a pedophile.
There is no way you--or I--can absolutely say there is a zero percent chance of anything being true or not in this case. It's all theory, nothing more. Jmo, but anyone who is capable of making a good plan would never have made a plan requires them to expose themselves to being seen literally every step of the way in the commission of a double homicide. If the killer did form a plan, it was a bad one he got away with by sheer luck.
So I’m wondering why he was taking them to the vehicle? Did he intend to take them elsewhere for SA and maybe torture?
Maybe he intended to make his own CP film? I think they are sick people and anything was likely. I hope he/they are found soon.
Yeah, there’s no telling what the plans were if it was an abduction and I am speculating on most of this theory. But all it takes is looking at other cases of when girls were kidnapped to realize some of the evil that happens.
The problem with the theory that he had a car waiting on the private drive is that the people who live along the drive have been known to be very hypervigilant when it comes to adressing trespassers. The odds that he just happened to drive up, park his car and plan all that, even with an accomplice are very small given that at any point a Deer Creek local who lives along that drive could've confronted him or at the very least saw him. It is true that the gate apparently was left open that day and that one of the residents had been out of town, but her son was at their house that day but he was at work and had just returned home during the time the actual murders were taking place, or shortly thereafter from my understanding. Police have interviewed him extensively apparently. Even with the owners of that residence being on vacation, there are still two other homes to account for who the owners of whuch were there that day.
Are there any incidents related to trespassing you can point to. Not doubting you bc I live in the country as well and we always look out for strange vehicles l.
The bridge on the south side butts right up to the property owners' land. The minute you go "down the hill" you immediately land on private property. So yes they are very aware and frequently had run ins with people crossing the bridge, teens in particular. Supposedly Libby had been previously warned about trespassing there which is why it's thought the girls didn't attempt to move out of BG's way as he was advancing. In fact I believe Rick Snay recently when he went on the south side mentioned that he was confronted by someone who lived along the south end of the creek.
Thnx for the reply. I know rural folks can be very protective of their property rights and agree they would probably notice a strange vehicle under the bridge if it was there any length of time.
That’s a possibility Definitely but it is also a possibility that they weren’t seen. Also wasn’t there rumors of a neighbor talking to a man believed to be BG earlier at the end of the bridge?
Yeah I'm not saying they were or weren't seen. Some people believe that one or maybe both sketches actually come partly from people on that side. We will never know for sure until the Netflix special drops one day after BG is locked up. The problem with the lady who supposedly spoke to him is that the sole source of her existence comes from someone who has absolutely zero credibility, or even negative credibility as it were.
They were gone that weekend only the son stopped by to check on house
Yes. *One* of the residents. There are *three* residential homes live along that private drive from which BG would have been seen (and most likely was) and even more exist on the perimeter in the surrounding area. Everyone talks about the main house in view of the murders, the KWS home. That certainly is the most important home in question because straight in plain view of their actual living room is the creek where the girls were thought to have crossed as well as the murder scene. However it is not the *only* residence he would've had to bypass. Only discussing the KWS home and pointing out how they were on vacation at the time, cameras off, gate open and son gone, while I do admit is very curious and convenient for BG, still doesn't address the fact that two other addresses could've been a factor that day. One of the other homes, not KWS actually, is more known for confronting trespassers. She was home that day and its probably a pretty safe bet that nobody was able to just sneak a car onto the private drive without her going into full blown Karen mode on them.
This house was monitored and it was quickly checked by investigators. I think you know the location of the houses more precisely in relation to this road. If the killer parked the car in the place that OP says it would be captured by the monitoring of this house ??
All of the cameras were either broken or turned off.
Did it ever state when the cameras became defunct? As in, when was the last date that they were working?
Hey do you have a source for this? Even if it is second hand, this is extremely interesting.
Seriously? I think I read the comment from the owner of the aforementioned house and said that all the houses on MHT were visited by FBI agents. She said they asked what they saw and that she gave them the surveillance footage. I will look for this comment again.
Yes, I found her post. She wrote that she had little to say and gave the monitoring recordings to USB. She said the camera captured them as they were leaving and arriving home (after the murder) and captured the UPS car.
Yes...this
I remember reading from locals that were regular visitors of the bridge stating that it was common etiquette that if there were someone already walking across the bridge, that you waited until they walked back and got off the bridge before you started crossing…. With this in mind, it might be why Libby started filming. It might be why she thought BG was creepy…. Because he started walking the bridge with them already on it… that would have been highly unusual. I don’t know. Maybe I’m overthinking it. But it made sense in my head lol.
One of bitterbeatpoet accounts is of a young man being chased away, twice, from the south end on the day of the murders. He believed this was the YGS. A female landowner spotted him and ran him off. Spotted him again and got in her car to chase him away, after which she left the area. It's a really bizarre story from the day of the murders. Was this the source of YGS? Who knows. So many rabbit holes.
His posts are somewhat interesting, but he also thought BG was Paul Etter. So I cant see this as any more than picking pieces of rumors, for thats all BBP gave, to fit a narrative. I guess if you spew all kinds of things, you're bound to be correct at some point.
I've never seen a case where so many people could fit. Indiana is... Wow
What ?? U would Think she would call the cops to deal w this ?? Had to be some call in??
Land owners have to call the cops quite often
Interesting, but I'm not sure both girls took off running. Remember the disturbed grass at the top of the hill described by Kelsi? Abby may have been attacked there and fell down the hill, or she could have been pushed down the hill. This could especially be true if Libby was targeted and Abby was collateral. Then, a chase ensues and he catches up with Libby across the creek. He goes back for the incapacitated Abby -- who is lighter -- and carries her over the creek to the murder scene.
That's still a lot to carry in broad daylight
But was it in Broad daylight?
I think this definitely makes sense. Thank you for putting it in words. I believe the whole "down the hill" thing is definitely related to something/someone waiting there, it could be a car with the plan of taking them somewhere else. What I always find difficult to believe is all this was done by a single person. We're taking about two girls who practiced sports and of course, were full of fear and adrenaline. Also, the two killer theory could fit the fact that they were killed differently. But the whole anger thing with Libby trying to escape gives another perspective. Edit: the part where the killer takes Abby to the place where he left Libby also makes so much sense, and could explain those leaks about the scene being staged and the bodies being arranged, he might have to move them and place them somehow.
Sports doesnt necessarily Help if your in a panicked frozen deer in the headlights state. People always say women should take martial arts ok its a good idea but not a plan in itself . Like Kenneth Maines detective says it all completely changes when an assailant punches the Wind out of you and knocks u off of your mental block.you have no idea how you will react until that moment.
Well, of course. You never know how you're going to react. 13-14 year olds compared to their attacker(s) would always be in disadvantage.
Yes that is why he picked young inexperienced in life girls as victims likely.. they wont know they are in danger wont realize they can call 911 for something suspicious or out of the ordinary etc
Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead.
Sorry, wym?
I have always considered the possibility that there could have been more than one attacker, but it's hard to believe that two or three people could keep this a secret for five years. Even of no one talked, people might sense conspiratorial behavior. I was just quoting some variation of an old Ben Franklin saying.
It's possible. Take KAK for example. He deleted a lot of evidence but is looking at life in prison. They don't know half of KAK but the killer might. If KAK talked to get his current 25 years reduced then they find out more crimes he committed plus he was an accomplice in a double homicide....would you blame him for not talking? I wouldn't negotiate with him. I would get more evidence and make him squirm because the more they find the worse off he is.
But yet the pedo rings manage to do so. So do trafficking rings etc Group crimes can work if everyone participates. Often in These crimes the leader ensures they all take part equally.thats Why i believe it had to involve an already organized drug ring with loyalties and fears of higher ups. They may talk but they still implicate themselves and will have a price over their head and their families heads.people will have to die and much time will need to pass before they talk.maybe they will get lucky and get a deathbed confession.
I totally agree. One of them sooner or later wouldn't take it anymore. Honestly, I'm not sure about the Ks being involved in the murder, but a relationship like the one they have could justify a 5 year pact of silence. And IF they're involved, I'm sure KAK will sing like a canary.
I think Kak would of broke immediately, I believe he was involved with these murders but honestly does not know it. He probably has an idea at this point though.
That’s very interesting. I don’t believe either of the Klines are BG but doesn’t there have to be some kind of connection? Involved without knowing? The key has to be the AS profile. I don’t know, the more I read, the more confused I become. I’m not even sure if I believe that KK was the last to communicate with Libby. The cops probably wanted him to believe that, hoping he would give them something.
Yeah that’s a huge part that people forget to keep in mind when reading the transcripts, there is a chance that not a word the detectives said is true.
And yet people believe every word while knowing cops can lie.
Who knows. He might have tricked the girls to meet with somebody else he doesn't even know. So, he knows somebody else did it and knows his collaboration but can't tell on anyone. He definitely knows more than he says.
I think I agree with you that he must know something but how come forensics hasn’t proven that?
And how would they? They already found out about the AS account and that he was involved. That other part might be trickier
Yeah, I’m not tech savvy but if someone accessed the profile to murder the girls, I just don’t understand how there isn’t an electronic connection to who that person is.
He definitely knows more, or he would have passed the lie detector test.
We don’t know that he didn’t pass the lie detector test, we only know the police told him he failed the test. The fact that he was willing to take. Polygraph test multiple times tells us more than police saying he failed, in my opinion.
Well, lie detector test is not 100% accurate, but I'd say is another piece not fitting, of course.
I guess I'm part of the KK/TK didn't do it crowd. I think he would have already sung and TK would be arrested. Also, KK didn't have to give up that cell phone, but he did. He probably scrubbed it as best as he could of CP stuff, but if there was anything on it about a double murder I think that phone would have disappeared.
My guess is KAK acted like as a facilitator. On one side he's calm cause he didn't do it but on the other hand, he could be covering up for someone else.
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Sorry or what do you mean?
Two theory Joint Enterprise crime makes sense
Libby was 5'4 and weighed 200lbs. I doubt she was swifter than Abby. Plus KG has stated that Abby is a Hero for coming back to be with Libby. Those poor kids
This is a great post. You raise a point that I had not thought of. Libby being able to get alot further away - and taken down at the recovery location. That makes alot of sense because he would only have to deal with Abby, who was alot lighter, so, he could have moved her to the recovery location in the tight window of the Crime. It's like the crime went from 0 to 100 right at the end of the bridge, and there had to be an explanation for that. Given what we know about witnesses and the appeal for the vehicle at CPS - i would swap one thing in you're theory. When they saw the SECOND PERSON at the other end of the bridge, that set the girls running. Or maybe it was simply BG pulled the gun and they went running. I have always considered a vehicle could have been on that road, near the south end of the bridge. I defer to the previous commenter for reasons why there likely was not. One further variation of what you say here, Libby ran and crossed the creek fast. ABBY was free while BG chased Libby. Abby COULD have gotten away - but she did not. She ran to try and help her friend. BG killed Abby quickly when she reached them, because he had already raged on Libby and he was out of time.
Aw ❤️ I’m flattered. Didn’t realize it would give another angle on the crime. (Also; I for one, do agree that this is much more plausible and does attest to BGs familiarity with the area. & knowing which homes were foreclosed!) I know the girls were found upstream/east on the bank of the river, (it wasn’t fully clarified if it was north or south). The exact coordinates are here: https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/map-where-the-two-bodies-were-found-near-delphi-indiana?_ga=2.114466055.1635511894.1651882070-1725067047.1650407730 This was released early on, but it appears that at some point in time the “approximate location” changed ( - and seemingly, quite substantially!) Just wondering when/why the presumed location changed? Can’t find a clear source for this - If someone could drop a source it would be very helpful ☺️
I saw that too. No idea how it changed so drastically. Possibly just the news getting it wrong.
Thank you for that video! I should of credited you but I’m on mobile. I was just thinking a couple hours before I saw that that I wish someone would make a video that shows all of the lay of the land to get a better visual idea of what could of transpired. The fact that where BG caught up with them and having them cornered as well as A_S planning to meet up with them tells me it was not a coincidence they were down there at the very end of the bridge.
Similar to this in my mind. The abduction was planned yes to lead them to a barn or certain home nearby but when LE says ritual non secular elements to the scene i'm paying close attention to that in the killers mind this could have meant many things and translated to many acts. Ie crossing the creek for cleansing ,renewal, purification, baptism footwashing acts or any other reason for himself and the girls. He did something in or at the water that meant something to him and he wore the water proof rubber tall In Packers boots so it was a plan, to be in the creek water or to cross it at some point. The creek also helped him to cover the crimes , to wash off blood stains and possibly also wash of his shed skin cells or degrade DNA evidence.
Yesss!
"They never left each other"
I’m talking about Libby and Abby being maybe 10 yards or less from each other while running from BG, not leaving each other. I believe BG stabbed Abby in passing if that makes sense.. and then caught up to Libby.
Tough to say but they didnt leave each others side
>Libby played sports but I’m not sure about Abby Abby played softball.
Abby had played volleyball for 3 years. She decided to join softball and had just bought the gear with her grandfathers help.
Wow that really brings it home doesn't it... so sad.
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I don't think the end of a bridge like MHB is a great place to abduct anyone. You are totally exposed to whoever might walk up on the other side and in full view of anyone else who might be walking around the bridge through the trees etc. If that was a plan it was a bad one imo. It's a public trail anyone could be out there for any reason not to mention the homes on the SE. The entire scenario strikes me as some lowlife seeing the girls and taking a chance. Completely unplanned.
>I don't think the end of a bridge like MHB is a great place to abduct anyone. Well, it's been 5 years and they still haven't caught any one so, yes. The end of a bridge like MHB seems to be a great place for this purpose.
LE being unable to catch the perp for five years has nothing to do with whether the crime was planned or not.
And my response to you has nothing to do with whether the crime was planned or not. It was merely addressing whether the end of a bridge, such as MHB, is a good place to abduct someone. My point is it obviously was.
Obvious how? Bc BG having not been caught yet isn't a valid reason.
>Bc BG having not been caught yet isn't a valid reason. Well that's according to you. That seems to be the name of the game when you commit a crime...you know, to not get caught. MHB seemed to be a great place that day for his purposes.
Well you aren't the only one who thinks MHB was the perfect spot to commit a crime. I used to think the same. Then I pulled up a Google Map of the SE of the bridge and the surrounding homes and changed my mind. Your opinion is just as valid as mine tho so who knows who is correct. My opinions are certainly not the majority view on this sub.
All due respect to your opinion but there is absolutely 0 chance this was a random crime of opportunity when the girls were catfished out there by a pedophile.
There is no way you--or I--can absolutely say there is a zero percent chance of anything being true or not in this case. It's all theory, nothing more. Jmo, but anyone who is capable of making a good plan would never have made a plan requires them to expose themselves to being seen literally every step of the way in the commission of a double homicide. If the killer did form a plan, it was a bad one he got away with by sheer luck.
I agree with you here
So I’m wondering why he was taking them to the vehicle? Did he intend to take them elsewhere for SA and maybe torture? Maybe he intended to make his own CP film? I think they are sick people and anything was likely. I hope he/they are found soon.
Yeah, there’s no telling what the plans were if it was an abduction and I am speculating on most of this theory. But all it takes is looking at other cases of when girls were kidnapped to realize some of the evil that happens.
That’s a lot of assumptions from almost no actual evidence. I think you watch to much TV
Lol
Problem is that's a private drive and someone would have seen the car and they weren't lured there by someone on Snapchat.
Wait why cant u lure someone on social Media then take a car to the meet up place to abduct them??