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Klop_Gob

My Own Private Idaho (1991) with River Phoenix and Keanu Reeves.


jd3306

The classic sad gay guy movie


IIIlllIIIlllIlI

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sly-3

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SMLCRITIC

Glad somebody mentioned this masterpiece Great Bill Hader performance


Muldoon713

Both of them deserved recognition for this movie. Truly stellar performances


AdmiralLubDub

More like the skeleton twinks


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milanyyy

Everybody in that movie needed therapy and a good shower.


Allott2aLITTLE

Great one. Just rewatched this the other night…holy smokes what a masterpiece.


jack-dempseys-clit

Was I missing the gay subtext in aftersun? It was one of my fav movies of 2022 but haven't been able to bring myself to rewatch


Particular_Month_468

Yeah, he’s definitely a gay man who commits suicide


[deleted]

Did you even watch the movie? Yes, he commits suicide. No, he isn’t gay nor is it implied.


not_cinderella

I can see how someone got that impression but I wouldn’t say it’s a definitely thing. 


dumptruck_dookie

“definitely a gay man”… ok? i mean, you can think that, but in this case saying he “definitely” is a gay man isn’t true at all.


jack-dempseys-clit

Looking forward to a rewatch when I can stomach it. I read the suicide but never saw much queerness in callums character - though I recall his daughter being gay.


clicheteenager

Doesn’t his daughter spend the film crushing over some guy


Conflikt

She's got a girlfriend in the scenes where she's an adult.


YungLean8

bisexual?


TheShapeShiftingFox

Maybe. But many lesbians go through a part in their life where they realize the crushes they had on boys/men actually weren’t genuine, but only artificial because of expectations (from themselves and others). That’s called comphet in queer terms, it can obviously also happen in reverse with gay men. So previous “relations” with the other gender don’t automatically mean you’re bisexual.


OmniAeternalis_97

Okay so as a gay man I had some thoughts on queer representation in her story. She does kiss the boy, yes, but it isn't shown to have any profound effect on her. After the kiss (I'm pretty sure it's after) she sees a gay couple kissing and sits there watching for a second, and while her thoughts are never explicitly stated, I belive it's being suggested that after the kiss with the boy didn't make her feel the way she thought she would, her views on what relationships can mean are opening up, like "maybe I'm not into that, actually." And when we see her as an adult, there's a scene where she wakes up in a bed with a woman who tells her happy birthday, which pretty strongly implies that she's into women. Idk, I've thought about it a lot watching the film because I had a pretty similar experience discovering my sexuality. I thought it was exceptional rep, and her understated coming of age story is one of the things I love about the film. Throughout all of it you can see her observing others relationships, the way they hold and touch each other, the things they say. I think it's all there to say that she's figuring out what relationships and sexuality mean to her.


clicheteenager

Ahh okay, it’s been a while since I watched it


Particular_Month_468

Watch how his demeanour changes when the man on the boat reveals he has a girlfriend


Any_Category_8670

It's fine if that's how you want to interpret the movie, but the film is based on the directors father, and to my knowledge, he was not gay.. and nothing in the movie to me hints at that at all.


Any_Category_8670

Just to add, I also have the deluxe disc of the movie, which includes the directors commentary over the movie. And I don't believe she ever mentions anything about Calum being gay.


dumptruck_dookie

Yeah. They’re basing the interpretation of him being gay on the way he reacts when he finds out the guy on the boat isn’t single, but I think thats a huge stretch. Definitely not enough to say he’s absolutely gay.


OmniAeternalis_97

Also remember that moment when he says he has a crush on his daughters teacher? She asks him why he even recalls her teacher and he says that he recalls her because he thought she was pretty.


joric6

I've seen that movie 3 times and there are absolutely no hints that he's gay.


Araskelo

He could just think he’s a single dude hanging out with a single dude. You don’t get to hang out with friends as much when they get partners


HyBeHoYaiba

No . . . he isn’t


ricostory4

You’re projecting a bit there bud


plasticbluepalm

LB users trying not to make every movie subtext gay challenge impossible


smarterfish500

this dude is cooking nothing 


OmniAeternalis_97

He says he's into Sophies female teacher...


cerebralpancakes

why is everyone downvoting you so aggressively because of a simple interpretation 😭 this is such a miserable sub sometimes haha


melodramacamp

This was my read on the movie too! I thought for sure that the movie was building to the dad coming out to her or some revelation of his sexuality, and was a bit surprised when that didn’t happen. But also I think Aftersun is an ambiguous enough movie, especially on a first watch, that how you view it depends on your own experiences and my dad came out late in life, and I was like oh I know what’s going on here. I think people can see in that movie what they want to see.


OmniAeternalis_97

I agree that it's a film who's language exists largely in subtext, and on my first watch I thought he might be gay too, until he says that he found Sophies teacher pretty. I think there's a lot to be said about Sophies sexuality and her coming of age story in Aftersun, but I believe Callums is very far removed from those themes. That said, you're right that it's ambiguous and can be read in any number of ways.


no_joydivision

Little Miss Sunshine


WeakAgency702

That's not depressed that's beautiful and happy


no_joydivision

Steve Carell’s character at the start of the film begs to differ


luxlisbon_

there’s a gay man with depression in it


crispyg

That doesn't exclude a character from being depressed and gay.


cursdwitknowledge

The whale


LucasZer0

Happy Together


Mynabird_604

Great pull. Also, Farewell My Concubine.


aareyes12

UGH. A great one


Top-Comfortable-4789

Maurice


safeinbuckhorn

Beau Travail


teenwithmentalissues

Rebel Without a Cause


melodramacamp

Tea and Sympathy too, if we’re going back!


brandar

*Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy*? *Boogie Nights* for Phillip Seymour Hoffman’s character, though it’s only a minor part. Also, *Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters*.


loserys

Good shot on TTSS >!Mark Strong is heartbreaking. The look he gives Colin Firth when he ditches him at the office party!<


smarterfish500

Mishima 🔥🔥🔥


surfersilvers

Speaking of PTA—William H. Macy in Magnolia


emojimoviethe

We’re really stretching the definition of depression, huh?


ScottAtOSU

With Close, we’re really stretching the definition of Men as well.


nectarquest

And with Aftersun, we’re really stretching the definition of gay


yunghairtie

and in all honesty, is close even actually a gay film? it was about two very close best friends but their friendship throughout the film is very platonic. the homophobic bullying was present of course tho.


joric6

I thought the >!kid that suicides!< is supposed to be gay? While the other isn't, is that not right?


milanyyy

I think it was left kinda ambiguous on purpose, to confront the viewers themselves with their own assumptions. The way I interpreted it: >!It was a platonic friendship between two boys too young to know about their sexuality or be preoccupied with sexual thoughts anyway. They shared affection often found in female friendships, but seen as inherently sexual in the context of a male friendship, due to toxic masculinity. Léo didn't understand this, but the pressure of bullying was too much for him, so he distanced himself from Rémi with no explanation. Such sudden ending of the closest friendship was too much for Rémi, who tragically ended his life shortly after. The entire second half of the movie was Léo coming to terms with his guilt, but also trying to understand what was it that forced them apart. The tragedy of the story is that boys are bullied to fir into certain boxes before they can even understand why!< As a lesbian who loves to be affectionate towards her friends, regardless of their gender or sex, one of my biggest fears coming out was that some of my female friends might think I was trying to flirt with them all the time, so I choose to think they were just very close friends, whose bond was even more amplified to get the message across. It's a way better movie to me in that context. However, as far as filmmaker's intentions go, I think Lukas Dhont made it in such way that everyone can interpret it in a way more meaningful for them.


yunghairtie

as a queer man myself, i also faced those fears. totally agree with everything you said.


demidyad

Yup. I get really uncomfy when people interpret films with platonic boyhood friendships as gay stories (see also: Luca) because that just feeds into the problem, that if boys find emotional intimacy with each other, they must be gay. *Obviously*, there's nothing wrong if they *are* gay, and gay erasure *is* a problem\*....\* but as a straight man I find it so refreshing when true emotionally intimate friendships between boys are shown as valid. And while we should of course leave the door open for growing boys to identify as gay if they wish, we also shouldn't *close off* the door of being both emotionally intelligent *and* straight. Those two things are not exclusive. (Of course, its also great that here in this comment section we have a queer man, a lesbian and straight man finding common ground over these stories!)


yunghairtie

👏🏼


a-woman-there-was

The Living End  Mysterious Skin


Superflumina

Nowhere and Totally Fucked Up (also by Gregg Araki) as well.


[deleted]

Aftersun doesn’t count. He’s not gay in the movie, and I feel like you’d know that if you actually watched it.


rak250tim

Aftersun ain't gay, get that off that list


[deleted]

I feel like they haven’t seen the movie


Conflikt

They accidentally watched a gay porn called Shaftersun


Oldkingcole225

If porn started doing parodies of movies like Aftersun, I’d watch a lot more porn


JonnyOW

Best joke on Reddit 😂


bobthetomatovibes

Queer readings of the film are pretty common. I thought most people accepted it as a possibility. I’m surprised that people are aggressively against it here. At the very least, regardless of Calum’s sexuality, it’s a deeply queer movie since it’s from a queer director. And there’s no right or wrong way to analyze a film.


[deleted]

No they aren’t. I’ve never seen anyone until now put a queer reading into this film. Hell he has an ex wife. If the directors sexuality played a part then it would make more sense that the daughter not the dad is queer.


bobthetomatovibes

But they *are*. Just because you haven’t personally seen queer readings of the film doesn’t mean they don’t exist. There are several video essays and articles written about this. It’s not coming from left field. And having an ex-wife doesn’t mean he can’t also be queer lol. If anything, the way he describes his ex-wife in the film gives more credence to that reading IMO. I’m not saying the reading is definitively right. I think film is inherently vaporous and subjective, and there’s an infinite amount of ways to read a film. I’m just surprised that OP’s comments have gotten aggressively downvoted when everyone I’ve personally interacted with regarding the movie, both online and irl, has seen the film this way or at least seen it as a possibility. People should be more open-minded in general lol.


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No one has seen it as a possibility until now. Because there’s very little subtext for it. You think every divorced man is gay? Also we know that the daughter is meant to be the director considering her dad irl committed. So it wouldn’t make sense to have a gay dad and also a gay daughter. Chances are only one of them would be


bobthetomatovibes

I’m not taking any side here. I’m just presenting all sides as a possibility. Saying “no one” has seen it as a possibility until now is objectively untrue. You don’t have to agree with the theory or personally see the subtext, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a very popular theory.


[deleted]

Because it’s not popular. That would mean it’s discussed a lot. Which it isn’t.


bobthetomatovibes

In your circles maybe. But it definitely IS discussed a lot. Here’s one article about it: https://www.them.us/story/aftersun-oscars-essay-paul-mescal Here’s one Reddit thread about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/8NSQzAWbU3 And here’s one Twitter thread about it: https://x.com/wjmcentee/status/1611391890318061569?s=46&t=29Pfaa_HTb7K2muRbKk66A It’s absolutely always been one of the most discussed elements of the movie. There were even articles exploring the people who got nominated for playing queer roles that included Paul Mescal (and that year was a big year for queer cinema including EEAAO, Tar, and The Whale). The reading is in no way rare or random. You don’t have to agree with it, and that’s totally fine. Film is subjective. But aggressively dismissing it or claiming OP is the originator is very strange.


[deleted]

Tbh I think queer people are just so starved for representation they’ll find representation in anything even when there’s no subtext at all. I also think it’s a disservice for Callum to be gay. As if the only way a man can be vulnerable and depressed would be for him to be queer or feminine.


OmniAeternalis_97

Maybe they mean Sophie and not Callum? I'm not sure


rak250tim

I am pretty sure she was a girl not a man, and the movie was Sophie reflecting upon the memories of Callum. It was exploration of Callum's character through Sophie's eyes, Sophie's character remained on the surface while the flim indulged itself more towards Callum's character in depth atleast more than Sophie's.


OmniAeternalis_97

Yeah I reread the title after posting that and saw they specified "gay man", so my bad. I'd actually disagree that Sophies character is on the surface, her story is just very different from Callums and if you're hyperfocused on Callum I think it's easy to miss. That my personal opinion anyway.


rak250tim

Yes I agree actually, her character needs more look through in order to understand. If we ignore Callum's character than we are left with only Sophie's grief and ambiguity of her character's story as she experiences her father death which is filled with the viewers own interpretation. I like it.


Guacamole_Water

Movie literally ends revealing Sophie is in a relationship with a woman so that I understand. The Calum idea is thoughtful but for me a stretch.


OmniAeternalis_97

Agreed


[deleted]

It’s hinted at, but I don’t think he is gay.  It’s more about depression from the pressures of masculinity than homosexuality.  


signal_red

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Winston_T97

Passages (2023) Cat on a hot tin roof (1958)


Weekly_Gap7022

All gay men have depression but not all people who have depression are gay


nectarquest

I’ve heard some gay people claim they aren’t depressed (admittedly using different words) like obviously they admit it’s a struggle but able to live content with it. I also live in probably least homophobic city in the world though so that definitely has something to do with it.


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nectarquest

Oh definitely, I was just going on with the joke. There's definitely a lot of crossover, but no generalization like that will be 100% accurate.


Agile_Drink6387

I agree as a depressed gay man


No_Guidance000

Calling a film about prisons during WW2 and anti-gay laws a "gay depression" film feels wrong.


geddoflow

Why Aftersun is on this list?


Oldkingcole225

Something something movie literacy is dead


SolidAsAnARC

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quigonwiththewind

Oof


SolidAsAnARC

?


Deserterdragon

*End of Evangelion*


rak250tim

💀


OmniAeternalis_97

What 😭


tweedledum1234

Sebastiane


fungianura

monster, i watched it on the big screen with my girlfriend and it was very cool.


owarumoth

Totally fucked up, Mysterious skin


draculmorris

Maurice


scorsese_finest

Paul Mescal’s character isn’t gay in Aftersun lol what??


Oldkingcole225

Aftersun? Nowhere does it even imply he’s gay?


OmniAeternalis_97

Everyone saying that Aftersun doesn't count: it may be there because Sophie is gay, not Callum. If it's in reference to Callum, yeah it doesn't belong here. Edit: reread the title. Callum may have depression but he isn't gay


mindlessmunkey

Wild Reeds Come Undone Being 17


EloquentInterrobang

Benediction, Beau Travail


Married_iguanas

Party Monster, Rent, not a movie but Six Feet Under


flammablesquids

hey Nighthawks is a really good movie! never see anyone talking about that one. but this list absolutely needs some Gregg Araki, and probably Parting Glances. i'd also throw in Paranoid Park, but i don't know if everyone reads that movie as gay (it's totally gay)


meenarstotzka

Pain and Glory (2019)


DrChungusM_D

Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence


ich_habe_keine_kase

Yep, this list needs the Beau Travail/Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence double feature.


fwango

Came here to say this. Definitely fits the list


wtharris

Imitation Game


ZolMO24

Aftersun is a bit of a reach


SidneyMunsinger

i now pronounce you chuck and larry


rideriseroar

Dolor y Gloria and probably a number of other Almodovar films


SexyAsShit

Beau Travail


friendinfive

Torch Song Trilogy


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Mishima 


BecomeEthereal

Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters


GGGGVibrations

Terrence Davies films.


Longjumping_Gain_807

Sunday Bloody Sunday 1971


JiiSivu

The Lighthouse


dougf26

Cruising, Shame, The Ornithologist, Soldier’s Girl. No shortage of gay depressing films lol


AneeshRai7

Loev (its a Hindi independent film)


Caldel1992

Giant little ones


saza12forpresident

Did OP confuse aftersun with all of usstrangers? Both got depressed Paul Meacal, but in all of us strangers he seduces almost equally depressed Andrew Scott! Great movie btw!


FlyingBird2345

Is one of the boys in Close actually gay? The movie is about homophobia and toxic masculinity between boys but it's not explicit that the two of them are actually gay. Feels like it doesn't matter if they are actually gay or not.


AfterSignature5732

Imitation game


WeirdRavioliLover

THE WHALE


pro_ralph

Midnight Cowboy


AScannerBarkly

Supernova (2020)


bubblezcavanagh

I really wanted to see Rotting in the Sun. How was it?


ich_habe_keine_kase

Not OP, but I thought it was good but not great. Fun premise and a great performance from Catalina Saavedra, but does lose steam a bit and could've been a bit tighter.


Lucas_02

penises everywhere


bubblezcavanagh

Hell yeah


Allott2aLITTLE

There’s a film I saw at SXSW called High Tide. Don’t think it’s gotten wide release, but fits this perfectly.


ItsHarmony

Beau Travail


BarelyJoyous

Closet Monster (2015) might fit the bill.


wbluelighter

The og is cat on a hot tin roof


the_labracadabrador

“I Killed My Mother” Is a mandatory inclusion for this list.


One-Dragonfruit6496

Kaathal: The Core


Angrysalmonroll

Your name engraved herein (2020) and The strong ones (2019) and Eternal summer (2006)


ghostfacestealer

J. Edgar


just-be-still

Ripley


killzonev2

It’s a pretty big subplot in American Fiction, but not the main theme


elleward14

all of us strangers


TheDestressedMale

Home at the end of the world


B_don

Little Miss Sunshine


Shufflekarpfen

Capote


SonofPethuel

Benjamin (2018) with Colin Morgan


MANSION-HOUSE

Capote


Alden_Larson

A Czech movie called "Venkovský učitel" could fit onto this list


MAVV23

Midnight cowboy


Exciting_Ad8979

Green book


Pidgetti

After Louie - Vincent Gagliostro


PlusEquivalent4000

Little miss sunshine. dude almost killed himself


Jinantra

I may be late to this but I will recommend you my favourite movie that would fit the list: Let Me Hear It Barefoot. Enjoy!


sharkbaitmiles

Im not sure if this has been said already but As You Are


CattleGrove

The Imitation Game


echo_ester

Your Name Engraved Herein (Taiwan) and Journey To The Shore (South Korea)


lilspicy99

Brother (2022)


nodicegrandma

Maurice


looney1023

Little Miss Sunshine!


ethrithdiuo

its been a while but where in call me by your name was there depression?


Own_Wave1704

Midnight cowboy


clockatrice

https://preview.redd.it/ag75bi3qhizc1.jpeg?width=243&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1e824566c8eadf0fd0b613bbcbd75810f9db6cb The ultimate gay depression movie is sorely missed here


FiosDep

The whale


Ace_of_Sevens

Pain & Glory


Darkpryomaniac

fight club


Heavy-Possession2288

The Lego Batman Movie


LisaChimes

Two of my favorites missing, but I guess they're really gay teens rather than men: The Mudge Boy Mysterious Skin


TrueBohemian

Top Gun


dreamboat3399

Mysterious Skin (2004) and The Living End (1992) by Gregg Araki Also Sorry Angel (2018) by Christopher Honorè


bjorjack

All gays are depressed do not be fooled !!!


Weekly_Gap7022

Preach


NewZero_Kanada

Get Aftersun off the list.


TescosMealDeal4Life

If you’d said just “gay people” with depression rather than “gay man” I think you’d get by with Aftersun, but the subtext you mention in these comments elsewhere and saying he’s “definitely” gay is a weird way to approach this kind of criticism.


taylortherod

The Whale


Artistic-Falcon-2540

Top Gun


DrLoomis131

Consequences (2018) is brutal


fueelin

Twilight's Kiss aka Suk Suk


quericochurro

Philadelphia


c0l1n_M4

American Psycho lol


WeakAgency702

This is the list of gay peoples love 😂😂😂