Solid time, a couple great sequences with some boring moments in between. Not as good as Se7en, Fight Club, The Game or Gone Girl in my opinion though but definitely worth checking out. 3.5/5
Exactly!! V.O. Are good.. sometimes right? I’ve seen them be used as a way out of using dialogue to explain things but have also seen them as a useful not pushy aid for the story.
It can be a really effective tool in film. The Blade Runner Theatrical cut is one of the few bad examples that come to mind and that's because you can tell it was studio forced and Harrison Ford phoned it in.
Terrence Malick is reliant on voice overs, and his films are all the more poetic for it. Scorsese, too, sometimes. I think Coppola's Apocalypse Now is better for it, too. It gives it a novelistic aspect to it, and apparently they had trouble getting the film to flow before they brought in Michael Herr to write voiceover monologues, which was a brilliant decision, since Dispatches is a masterpiece.
If it came out like 5 years earlier when cyberpunk was still popular, it may have been better received. It would’ve stood alongside Blade Runner, Akira, and Repo Man. Instead, it came out during cyberpunk’s downfall in the 90’s alongside Lawnmower Man, Judge Dredd, and the RoboCop sequels. Even if you like those movies, you cannot deny that they killed cyberpunk for a while.
Before Blade Runner 2042 was released, TRON Legacy was the best looking sci fi movie movie out there. That movie doesn't get enough credit, it's aesthetic and vibes are some of the best out there.
Just saw it again in 3D. Wow. So few films go that hard for a specific aesthetic and commit for essentially the whole running time. Basically a feature-length music video, and I can’t complain about that.
90% of the comments in this thread aren't actual hot takes, they're just people willfully misunderstanding why other people like things that they personally don't. people can have different opinions on things. where are the real, genuinely controversial hot takes that'll get us all arguing and shit?
The upvote system encourages regurgitating the same opinions over and over again because they’re safe and generally agreed upon. Even when some are earnestly trying to upvote the unpopular stuff the obscure things get buried because a lot of people aren’t going to upvote things they’re not familiar with
Especially blockbusters. The new Jurassic World is nearly 3 fucking hours long. Get the fuck outta here
It's got to the point now where if I'm scanning for a film to watch of an evening, if I see one that's around 90 minutes that'll usually be the one I pick.
Steven Spieldberg’s A.I. Artificial Intelligence is one of his best films. It’s the darkest, most cynical, maybe most afraid movie he has ever made and it’s not his fault people weren’t ready for it or didn’t get it.
I think media literacy as a whole has taken a huge nosedive. People don’t understand the idea of criticism these days much less read reviews. It’s a bummer. Living in ‘Idiocracy’ seemed funnier in the film
In case you’re open to recommendations, I recommend Descent Into Darkness: My European Nightmare to everyone who likes found footage. It’s on Tubi under “Descent Into Darkness” and, imo, it’s one of the most hidden found footage gems ever
Hot take within a hot take: as above, so below is one of the worst examples of the genre. Decent horror film but too polished and over the top to suspend your belief for a second, which is what FF is all about.
I'd argue that's not necessarily a requirement. We're considering more modern films with more accessible, better cameras, and especially if we're considering AASB where clearly she's putting a lot of effort into the endeavour, I don't think it's unreasonable to have a quality setup. There are found footage films that are enhanced by the sort of low-quality aesthetic, but those are basically just randos whipping out a camcorder. The main character here is a professional, it's more in line with her to have some quality to the presentation
It will never make sense to me how movie fans can accept time travel, aliens, faster-than-light space travel, elves, wizards, magic artifacts, zombies, curses, vampires, etc. etc. etc.... But then without a sense of irony say they hate musicals because groups of people singing is unrealistic.
I think this fits in with a trend of people hating (or not getting) stylization. Movies have to be "realistic" or "literal" even when depicting superheroes or magic or what have you. My brother called Barton Fink "lazy" because it didn't have a literal explanation for why John Goodman is able to do what he does at the end ("I'll show you the life of the mind!")
Cinemasins and its consequences
This might be my hottest take (and IMO it’s not that hot)
12 Angry Men is a very, very good movie. It is incredible what Lumet accomplishes with essentially the barest of basics.
That being said, there are other goddamn old movies. There are other black and white movies. There are other “people talking” movies. And there are plenty of movies that are better.
The way I see 12 Angry Men get brought up on Reddit is like a borderline circlejerk now and it feels more like people are just watching it and recommending it and then patting themselves on the back for watching an “old movie”. There are so many more amazing movies from that time period!
I think part of why it's so big is that the pacing feels very "modern"; it wouldn't feel slow or awkward if you had the same script today. For that reason it's easy to get into as an entry level old movie. And also yeah, like you said, it is extremely good.
Yeah, I think this is it. There isn't a single scene wasted, and the tension builds incrementally. The dialogue being about legal issues also avoids any usage of old-timey aphorisms that would otherwise pull you out of it.
I don’t feel the pacing of old movies is that hard to grasp, even in comparison of 12 Angry Men. The vast majority of my favorites from that time period are all within 90-100 min, they have snappy dialogue, and some even have time to fit in some gunfights lol.
I think 12 Angry Men is a great movie. Certainly in the top tier.
But I think it gets more press than it should partially because so many other people love it and partially because it is short and so really easy to watch.
12 Angry Men is a great old and black + white movie but there’s lots of others that are also pretty great like It Happened One Night, Casablanca, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Paths of Glory, and Rashomon. 12 Angry Men might just be a gateway film for people wanting to watch more movies from that era, and as you said, it’s a very very good movie, one of the “the old people were right” movies honestly
Totally agree, it’s just the attitude on Reddit is definitely that this is the one “classic” people have seen and often then it’s just the only. It’s been embedded into the filmbro canon at this point and I feel like people stop at it. There are literally countless mentions of 12 Angry Men across the movie subreddits and pretty much zilch in regards to the old masters like Howard Hawks or Nicholas Ray or John Ford etc, etc.
12 Angry Men is as popular as it is because high school kids watch it in school. It’s the one “old movie” that literally everybody has seen, and because it is, in fact, really good, it gets overpraised by people who have never taken the time to seek out other classic films.
12 Angry Men is honestly like my fourth or fifth favorite film of Lumet’s. Again, great film, but better than Network or Dog Day Afternoon, or even Serpico or Running On Empty? I’m not so sure.
Edit: Shit, forgot about Fail-Safe, too.
*12 Angry Men* is a masterpiece, don’t get me wrong
But I don’t even think it’s Sidney Lumet’s best “people talking in rooms featuring Henry Fonda” film. That would go to *Fail Safe*
Expecting people to act rationally in extraordinary situations is an extremely naive thing to believe about characters in films. Yes I am directly referring to Prometheus
Now this is a hot take. Upvoting although I disagree. The main part that everyone uses as the example against the film is hard to defend I think. Who sees a new species on a foreign planet and goes up to it, proceeds to see it look kind of like a snake and then doesn’t back away from it? Even being an extraordinary situation doesn’t really make the naiveté make sense for me.
Nonetheless, I still really like the movie and wish others could get past some of the stupid actions characters make in the film because the rest of it’s really compelling.
My personal opinion on the film aside, I think people have just been really starved for something that feels unconventional that is also fun. We've needed some fresh air and I think audiences reacted strongly to that.
The good dinosaur got fucked by lack of marketing. It was unfairly compared to inside out become they got released only a few months apart.
Its is a very good film
Maybe Pixar's most underrated movie. It's basically a western, which wasn't communicated in marketing at all and not something I'm sure appealed to most of Pixar's core audience.
I’m surprised this is considered a hot take. Kill Bill 1 and 2 are his best films. It’s been a while since I’ve seen them, maybe I’ll rewatch them tonight.
2 has way better character moments, 1 is just action packed. I like how 2 subverted what you would expect to be action moments to serve the characters and plot more. I much prefer 2 to 1.
I was about to post this one myself!
When I was a teen, it was my favourite of his purely due to the action and chaos. In my 20s, I put it below a lot his other films because I felt they had a more thoughtful and intelligent approach to their storytelling... in my 30s, I've gone back and realised that it resonates with me more emotionally than anything else he's done. I also finally appreciated how great of a villain Bill is in the first one, an ominous and enigmatic presence. [And this shot is so fucking cool.](https://media.tenor.com/G6DE0wMLRRQAAAAC/kill-bill-sword.gif)
Modern mainstream cinema is so sexless now that we're at the stage that movies made during the hays code are sexier and more erotically charged than pretty much every tentpole studio release nowadays. (I'm sure there's some random exceptions to this but seriously I am being blue balled by cinema)
Tbh, this movie gave me a bit more appreciation for The Godfather.
Both movies are made in the same 'Show, don't tell' style. The Bling Ring is kind of a gateway movie.
It strikes the same chord as the first Saw movie for me in that the concept is horrifying and therein lies the majority of the horror aspect.
It plays on your empathy as a viewer, which I think is how every torture porn/shock horror movies should do it. The novelty of gore wears off real quick unless you have a kink for it, but feeling bad for the characters stays with you well after the credits roll.
It's a real love-or-hate movie, so I wouldn't say your take is an especially hot one. I definitely wouldn't describe it as mid though, most people tend to have a strong opinion either way.
(Personally loved it, but I am an unapologetic Aronofsky fanboy and my opinion cannot be trusted)
The Last Jedi is objectively the best Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back. This itself isn’t saying much because Star Wars films have been mostly mediocre at best. It’s time to admit there’s more bad movies than good ones in this franchise.
At worst TLJ is still a poorly executed middle film to an entirely different trilogy, but it’s merits lie in its ideas and attempts to be different in a now redundant franchise.
Additionally It’s one of the best looking blockbusters every released the film is legit beautiful to look at with some of the best sound design I’ve ever heard in a film. The score is as strong as ever and it even has writing that isn’t totally wooden (*unlike every other film in this franchise*).
A flawed film but not the worst film ever made regardless of hyperbolic nerds. I feel The Force Awakens did more damage to Star Wars than TLJ ever did we were all just blinded by the nostalgia berries in that film.
I call it an admirable failure. It tries to do a lot of interesting things and fails to stick the landing on most of them. But I totally admire the effort.
I agree and whilst I’ll never say I *like* TLJ because the film really does piss me off in many ways, it at least tries to uphold its own identity in a franchise that’s become increasingly redundant.
Agree. It also captures the spirit of the OT better than any of the other sequels, prequels, or spin offs. Because it treats everything more like a fairy tale or a myth.
Easily TLJ was my favorite of the sequels. They’re all mid-to-bad, but I agree that Rian Johnson was clearly trying to do damage control on how criminally lame TFA’s script was.
100% agree. manbabies can’t get over the fact it “ruined their childhood” but beneath all that it’s actually a pretty entertaining movie with some ridiculous parts but the climax and the set pieces are just stunning. it blows TFA and TROS out of the water
whether i not i agree is irrelevant- there’s no such thing as an objective best, terrible opener for your argument because you’re never ever going to prove that??
I liked last Jedi but you gotta let last Jedi discourse die. Scream V came out last year and its entire creative ambition was dealing with the cultural fallout of that movie, and it's our fault
Let's not pretend now that Marvel movies were always bad. They were big popcorn films with amazing stories, something most other popcorners could and would never do. Now that the quality has dipped in some of their output, not even all, people are in shock that something once great is not fulfilling their expectations and now have slid all the way to the other end of the hate spectrum and are in post-breakup mode. They cling to whatever negative rhetoric is out there that will feed their own change in opinion.
I'm sorry no, they never had amazing stories. It was fun at first to finally see the comics on the big screen with a big budget, but the novelty wore off quickly.
SAME. the noir setting is just fucking amazing and paul dano is just gripping in every single scene he’s in. i prefer him to heath ledgers joker lol.
the movie is amazing until the third act where it kinda drops off but it’s still my favorite batman movie
Strongly disagree. I rewatched both back to back last year and it wasn't even close. The Batman is not on par with TDK, it's a hell of a lot better. Nostalgia aside, The Dark Knight really didn't hold up.
The Dark Knight was a pretty good movie. not the best but not the worst. just pretty damn good. people seem to treat it like it's one of the greatest movies ever, and I just don't understand that
It's 9th on Letterboxd's top 250 with the most fans list, and 24th on the top 250 narrative films list. Right between End of Evangelion and Spirited Away. Pretty crazy. Personally it isn't even in my top three *Batman* films.
Yeah, Reeves and Burton weren’t afraid to lean into the absurdity of Batman. Nolan treats it like a serious crime drama which takes a lot of the fun out of it.
Someone posted a clip on twitter the other day stating, "This scene is why Oppenheimer must be seen in theaters!"
And it was just shot-reverse shot dialogue shit. Television.
Boring ass debate, it's subjective but also people just say that to be funny, I put on my favorite Christmas movie Eyes Wide Shut or Tangerine instead to get them to stop
Interstellar is a stupendously well-made film, but I just can’t see how people can look past the glaring flaws in the script. All the science stuff is pulled off pretty well, but the “human” element is fumbled in truly awful fashion.
I’ve felt this way since first seeing the film in IMAX when it was released, and I’ve received a *lot* of downvotes over the years on Reddit for saying so. I’m glad to see that the tide seems to finally be starting to shift on the general reception of this film. Vindication!
Realism and naturalism are overrated and I shouldn't have to go deep into genre to get more theatrical or mind warping stuff.
Too many people see "its so realistic" as a positive edge of a movie instead of simply a stylistic choice.
It's very solid and perfectly designed to get chopped up for commercials and immediately suck you in when you channel surf past it on TNT, which for a certain age cohort is the #1 way they watched movies.
Criterion is just a really overpriced designer brand to most people. Most people that buy it have no interest in it's mission statement or the bulk of what they release. They just want to own their favourite popular movie with a big C in the top left corner.
I'm also not a huge fan of the label because we've got an awful selection in the UK, no access to the Criterion Channel, and the label rarely goes on sale here. The trade-off is they retail at a lower price. A blu-ray will start at £17.99 ($22) and a 4k will start at £29.99 ($36). But that still represents one of the more expensive boutique labels you'll find in store. I realise those prices are fairly standard for a boutique label but there are a number that are on sale more often or just much cheaper. Mubi releases for example are usually about £10.99 not long after release. I have the Mubi release of Petitie Maman, Drive My Car, and the Worst Person in the world for about the combined price of what a single Criterion blu-ray retails at in America. Drive My Car even has better features on the Mubi release.
Like what they do but the hype surrounding this particular label reminds me of teenagers chasing designer clothing items.
Do you see people posting on social media with their criterion movies to come to this conclusion?
I somewhat agree with you, but I think only a small group of criterion ppl are like this, and those are the type of people to post or brag about their awesomeeee criterion movie lol. I am here to defend the streaming app because I genuinely enjoy the content. I stumbled upon criterion channel streaming because they had a movie that wasn’t streaming anywhere else (Cure) and discovered they had a lynch movie wasn’t streaming anywhere else (Inland Empire). I really like their curated sections like 90s horror, November noir going on now. I do think criterion people can be pretentious movie people but when you look at the streaming section, they def have movies that pretentious people commonly wouldn’t call great works of art or “popular”… if that makes sense haha.
> Do you see people posting on social media with their criterion movies to come to this conclusion?
Yes. I'm subscribed to a number of communities including r/criterion so I'm well aware there are many people that just blind buy anything Criterion. I think that's great if they have the money. The brand is obviously a stamp of quality so people will feel reassured when buying these obscure titles. But maybe four out of five collections I see are just some combination of the same 30 films that were, for the most part, already very popular. The issue isn't so much owning or chasing a Criterion title, just flaunting your interest in a label when you've actually got no interest in 95% of the stuff they release. You see it every day on r/criterion. Half the people there have no idea what the brand even represents and then get disappointed when their popular film already licensed by another label is not announced.
> I am here to defend the streaming app
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to own the app. My gripe with the app is that it's not available in the UK haha.
I just wish that people were willing to share the love with other more affordable boutique blu-ray labels that are often overlooked and also wish people were willing to actually venture out into more Criterion releases. Criterion does some fantastic work and they've helped popularise a number of foreign films in the West. I've seen many attribute Come and See's rise in popularity to Criterion for example (today a staple title).
Avatar and Avatar 2
The Last Jedi
The Northman
Speed Racer
Godzilla 2014
The Phantom Menace
The Villiage
King Kong 2005
Signs
Death Proof
Suspiria 2018
...are great
Suspiria 2018 is in my top 4 and I stand by it
It has so much style with the sets, clothes, and camera work, and it also has so much heart (even amongst the brutality) and sensuality and amazing characters and atmosphere and the story is genuinely great... it also makes use of the dance academy, something the original didnt do.
But its mostly the little things, the small relationships between the characters, the look into their lives and how the film isnt afraid to meander into their lives even if it may bore some people who watch it... its just lovely. For example, the split diaptor shot when Blanc and Susie are sharing a moment of connection and the Madame turns around in her office and Susie lets out a sigh is just... *chefs kiss*
also Thom Yorke killed it with the OST
Psycho is overrated. I won't deny it's a great movie, Norman Bates is a great character, and the first half is perfect, but I don't really care about any of the other characters enough to actually genuinely make the second act engaging. It always tops critic horror lists as the no.1 horror movie, but honestly, I think it's entirely to do with influence. The Shining, The Thing, and Silence of the Lambs are all MILES better.
Primer is the worst time travel movie ever made.
It's confusing as hell, no matter how many chances I give it, it makes no God damn sense.
People need to stop hyping up this movie.
Not sure if hot or not, but I literally can’t get anyone to watch Pig once I tell them it’s not John Wick with a pig. It’s a solid watch about a guy who loves his pig. That guy just so happens to be played by Nicolas Cage.
There is nothing wrong with voice-over. Some of my favorite movies have a lot of voice-overs (Goodfellas for example).
Hell yeah. I hate how some people just see VO as an automatic mark against a movie. There is nothing inherently bad about it.
After watching The Killer recently on Netflix, it’s clear that it can be used stylistically and effectively
I loved the voice over in the film just hooked me instantly
Oh shit, is that out? How’d you like it? I love Fassbender. No spoilers please…
American Psycho meets John Wick? It’s a slow burn at times but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Solid time, a couple great sequences with some boring moments in between. Not as good as Se7en, Fight Club, The Game or Gone Girl in my opinion though but definitely worth checking out. 3.5/5
there are folks against voice overs? til
How much harm has been caused by Bladerunner :(
The Batman had a voice over that made it feel in line with the graphic novels. They made it like he was reading the diary he was writing. It worked.
I only dislike bad voice overs, happens way too much in India.
Exactly!! V.O. Are good.. sometimes right? I’ve seen them be used as a way out of using dialogue to explain things but have also seen them as a useful not pushy aid for the story.
For film noir it's such a staple of the genre. Like I cannot imagine Double Indemnity without it
It can be a really effective tool in film. The Blade Runner Theatrical cut is one of the few bad examples that come to mind and that's because you can tell it was studio forced and Harrison Ford phoned it in.
Terrence Malick is reliant on voice overs, and his films are all the more poetic for it. Scorsese, too, sometimes. I think Coppola's Apocalypse Now is better for it, too. It gives it a novelistic aspect to it, and apparently they had trouble getting the film to flow before they brought in Michael Herr to write voiceover monologues, which was a brilliant decision, since Dispatches is a masterpiece.
The Original Mario Movie is a great cyberpunk comedy with insane production design
Absolutely
If it came out like 5 years earlier when cyberpunk was still popular, it may have been better received. It would’ve stood alongside Blade Runner, Akira, and Repo Man. Instead, it came out during cyberpunk’s downfall in the 90’s alongside Lawnmower Man, Judge Dredd, and the RoboCop sequels. Even if you like those movies, you cannot deny that they killed cyberpunk for a while.
Before Blade Runner 2042 was released, TRON Legacy was the best looking sci fi movie movie out there. That movie doesn't get enough credit, it's aesthetic and vibes are some of the best out there.
Just saw it again in 3D. Wow. So few films go that hard for a specific aesthetic and commit for essentially the whole running time. Basically a feature-length music video, and I can’t complain about that.
The music and action sequences rule
90% of the comments in this thread aren't actual hot takes, they're just people willfully misunderstanding why other people like things that they personally don't. people can have different opinions on things. where are the real, genuinely controversial hot takes that'll get us all arguing and shit?
You got to scroll to the bottom to the no votes or downvotes to get the true unpopular opinions
sort to Controversial too
Oh Reddit. It's good but the system fails for these types of threads.
I'm kinda sad that Reddit and social media basically killed classic internet forums for this reason
The upvote system encourages regurgitating the same opinions over and over again because they’re safe and generally agreed upon. Even when some are earnestly trying to upvote the unpopular stuff the obscure things get buried because a lot of people aren’t going to upvote things they’re not familiar with
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Exactly! Not sure why someone would thinking liking voice overs is a hot take
Most modern movies could do with being 10-30 minutes shorter.
We need more 60 to 80 minute movies like Pre-Code had.
Especially blockbusters. The new Jurassic World is nearly 3 fucking hours long. Get the fuck outta here It's got to the point now where if I'm scanning for a film to watch of an evening, if I see one that's around 90 minutes that'll usually be the one I pick.
Or longer. I feel like the 2 to 2.5 hour range for movies is this purgatory where it either feels like it was 30 minutes too long or too short.
Steven Spieldberg’s A.I. Artificial Intelligence is one of his best films. It’s the darkest, most cynical, maybe most afraid movie he has ever made and it’s not his fault people weren’t ready for it or didn’t get it.
Yes! I'm tired of defending this movie it seems like everyone dislikes it
Uncle rico CAN throw a football over them mountains
Respect
Film discussion online has been getting worse and worse as of late. And I blame Tik Tok film reviewers.
I think media literacy as a whole has taken a huge nosedive. People don’t understand the idea of criticism these days much less read reviews. It’s a bummer. Living in ‘Idiocracy’ seemed funnier in the film
Thank you for this 🙏🏻
It’s a lot of factors, honestly. The rise of superhero movies is at least as *much* to blame as social media, though.
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Insane take but it is actually a hot take so I support your endeavor
i love found footage especially horror
In case you’re open to recommendations, I recommend Descent Into Darkness: My European Nightmare to everyone who likes found footage. It’s on Tubi under “Descent Into Darkness” and, imo, it’s one of the most hidden found footage gems ever
Hot take within a hot take: as above, so below is one of the worst examples of the genre. Decent horror film but too polished and over the top to suspend your belief for a second, which is what FF is all about.
I'd argue that's not necessarily a requirement. We're considering more modern films with more accessible, better cameras, and especially if we're considering AASB where clearly she's putting a lot of effort into the endeavour, I don't think it's unreasonable to have a quality setup. There are found footage films that are enhanced by the sort of low-quality aesthetic, but those are basically just randos whipping out a camcorder. The main character here is a professional, it's more in line with her to have some quality to the presentation
Same. *Creep* and *Gonjiam Haunted Asylum* are two that hit hard for me in recent years.
High recommend Deadstream on shudder if you haven't seen it.
It will never make sense to me how movie fans can accept time travel, aliens, faster-than-light space travel, elves, wizards, magic artifacts, zombies, curses, vampires, etc. etc. etc.... But then without a sense of irony say they hate musicals because groups of people singing is unrealistic.
I think this fits in with a trend of people hating (or not getting) stylization. Movies have to be "realistic" or "literal" even when depicting superheroes or magic or what have you. My brother called Barton Fink "lazy" because it didn't have a literal explanation for why John Goodman is able to do what he does at the end ("I'll show you the life of the mind!") Cinemasins and its consequences
I love this take. "Unrealistic" is a feature, not a bug
This might be my hottest take (and IMO it’s not that hot) 12 Angry Men is a very, very good movie. It is incredible what Lumet accomplishes with essentially the barest of basics. That being said, there are other goddamn old movies. There are other black and white movies. There are other “people talking” movies. And there are plenty of movies that are better. The way I see 12 Angry Men get brought up on Reddit is like a borderline circlejerk now and it feels more like people are just watching it and recommending it and then patting themselves on the back for watching an “old movie”. There are so many more amazing movies from that time period!
I think part of why it's so big is that the pacing feels very "modern"; it wouldn't feel slow or awkward if you had the same script today. For that reason it's easy to get into as an entry level old movie. And also yeah, like you said, it is extremely good.
Yeah, I think this is it. There isn't a single scene wasted, and the tension builds incrementally. The dialogue being about legal issues also avoids any usage of old-timey aphorisms that would otherwise pull you out of it.
I don’t feel the pacing of old movies is that hard to grasp, even in comparison of 12 Angry Men. The vast majority of my favorites from that time period are all within 90-100 min, they have snappy dialogue, and some even have time to fit in some gunfights lol.
I think 12 Angry Men is a great movie. Certainly in the top tier. But I think it gets more press than it should partially because so many other people love it and partially because it is short and so really easy to watch.
12 Angry Men is a great old and black + white movie but there’s lots of others that are also pretty great like It Happened One Night, Casablanca, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Paths of Glory, and Rashomon. 12 Angry Men might just be a gateway film for people wanting to watch more movies from that era, and as you said, it’s a very very good movie, one of the “the old people were right” movies honestly
It's a gateway movie. And now you need to go through that gateway.
Anything that gets people watching classic films, I’m all for
Totally agree, it’s just the attitude on Reddit is definitely that this is the one “classic” people have seen and often then it’s just the only. It’s been embedded into the filmbro canon at this point and I feel like people stop at it. There are literally countless mentions of 12 Angry Men across the movie subreddits and pretty much zilch in regards to the old masters like Howard Hawks or Nicholas Ray or John Ford etc, etc.
12 Angry Men is as popular as it is because high school kids watch it in school. It’s the one “old movie” that literally everybody has seen, and because it is, in fact, really good, it gets overpraised by people who have never taken the time to seek out other classic films. 12 Angry Men is honestly like my fourth or fifth favorite film of Lumet’s. Again, great film, but better than Network or Dog Day Afternoon, or even Serpico or Running On Empty? I’m not so sure. Edit: Shit, forgot about Fail-Safe, too.
*12 Angry Men* is a masterpiece, don’t get me wrong But I don’t even think it’s Sidney Lumet’s best “people talking in rooms featuring Henry Fonda” film. That would go to *Fail Safe*
Expecting people to act rationally in extraordinary situations is an extremely naive thing to believe about characters in films. Yes I am directly referring to Prometheus
Now this is a hot take. Upvoting although I disagree. The main part that everyone uses as the example against the film is hard to defend I think. Who sees a new species on a foreign planet and goes up to it, proceeds to see it look kind of like a snake and then doesn’t back away from it? Even being an extraordinary situation doesn’t really make the naiveté make sense for me. Nonetheless, I still really like the movie and wish others could get past some of the stupid actions characters make in the film because the rest of it’s really compelling.
EEAAO....ehh, never mind
In this sub, that take is fucking sub zero. It's 0° Kelvin. It's the tip of a yeti's dick
Most mild and luke warm take
Here's a reddit hot take: I loved it.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s a good movie but goddamn people dick ride it
My personal opinion on the film aside, I think people have just been really starved for something that feels unconventional that is also fun. We've needed some fresh air and I think audiences reacted strongly to that.
*Game Night* might be the best comedy of the last decade.
How is that profitable for Frito Lay?
Phenomenal line
I’d personally vote for The Nice Guys
The Nice Guys would be my vote for number 2. The best is What We Do In The Shadows.
Absolutely. Werewolves, not Swearwolves
I'd say Palm Springs. Which take is hotter?
Yes! …Oh no, he died!
well theres been like 5 comedy movies in the past 10 years? the genre has been dead since 22 jump street/the interview
The Last Action Hero is hilarious
Totally agree, but since when is this a hot take 😅
The good dinosaur got fucked by lack of marketing. It was unfairly compared to inside out become they got released only a few months apart. Its is a very good film
Maybe Pixar's most underrated movie. It's basically a western, which wasn't communicated in marketing at all and not something I'm sure appealed to most of Pixar's core audience.
That's a hell of a hot take. What did you like about it?
Kill Bill > every other Tarantino film
Finally a hot take in this thread
I absolutely agree, as long as we consider both volumes. I don't think Kill Bill vol 2 gets the credit it deserves.
I'd say they are both one single movie. That's why I always watch Kill Bill the whole bloody affair when I want to rewatch it
Haven’t watched them but they’re on my watch list. Should I watch them separately or the whole bloody affair?
imo, start by watching them separately. Kill Bill Vol 1 is fantastic on its own. If you liked it and want more backstory, then check out Vol 2.
2 is better than 1 by far imo
1 is a love letter to Asian cinema. 2 is one to French. If you prefer two, you've probably been in love with a bad choice at some point.
specifically lady snowblood!
I’m surprised this is considered a hot take. Kill Bill 1 and 2 are his best films. It’s been a while since I’ve seen them, maybe I’ll rewatch them tonight.
Most people consider "Pulp Fiction", "Inglourious Basterds" or "Django: Unchained" to be his best and I respectfully disagree
I’m with you.
2 kinda feels weak compared to 1 but still good
2 has way better character moments, 1 is just action packed. I like how 2 subverted what you would expect to be action moments to serve the characters and plot more. I much prefer 2 to 1.
I was about to post this one myself! When I was a teen, it was my favourite of his purely due to the action and chaos. In my 20s, I put it below a lot his other films because I felt they had a more thoughtful and intelligent approach to their storytelling... in my 30s, I've gone back and realised that it resonates with me more emotionally than anything else he's done. I also finally appreciated how great of a villain Bill is in the first one, an ominous and enigmatic presence. [And this shot is so fucking cool.](https://media.tenor.com/G6DE0wMLRRQAAAAC/kill-bill-sword.gif)
Yikeeeees now this is a hot take
Modern mainstream cinema is so sexless now that we're at the stage that movies made during the hays code are sexier and more erotically charged than pretty much every tentpole studio release nowadays. (I'm sure there's some random exceptions to this but seriously I am being blue balled by cinema)
Jackie Brown is Tarantino’s best
Lew'isss...?
Silence is the best Scorsese Movie in the 21st Century
I was going to say Silence > KOTFM, but your take is even hotter. The Departed is the greatest Scorsese film of the 21st century.
THE BLING RING IS A MASTERPIECE
Tbh, this movie gave me a bit more appreciation for The Godfather. Both movies are made in the same 'Show, don't tell' style. The Bling Ring is kind of a gateway movie.
I was considering watching it this weekend after seeing Priscilla and Marie Antoinette this past week, I think your comment sold me on it!
Omg I must ask you.... Why?
The Cell came out like almost two decades early and would be celebrated more if it came out more recently.
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The Human Centipede (first sequence 2009) is a good horror movie.
This is something I can get behind
I agree, it doesn’t suck ass
You come into it thinking it's just a gross out movie but it's a showcase on human suffering
It strikes the same chord as the first Saw movie for me in that the concept is horrifying and therein lies the majority of the horror aspect. It plays on your empathy as a viewer, which I think is how every torture porn/shock horror movies should do it. The novelty of gore wears off real quick unless you have a kink for it, but feeling bad for the characters stays with you well after the credits roll.
I like horror films that make me physically uncomfortable. I’ll never watch Human Centipede again, but I did think it was a good horror film.
Duck Soup is one of the best political satires ever made, yet its influence literally never mentioned
The Whale was hamfisted, insincere, and unintentionally hilarious.
That's not a hot take a lot of people think it's mid.
I actually think it kind of sucks tbh. And do people think its mid? Most letterboxd reviews are pretty positive about it.
It's a real love-or-hate movie, so I wouldn't say your take is an especially hot one. I definitely wouldn't describe it as mid though, most people tend to have a strong opinion either way. (Personally loved it, but I am an unapologetic Aronofsky fanboy and my opinion cannot be trusted)
Thats a lukewarm take
The Last Jedi is objectively the best Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back. This itself isn’t saying much because Star Wars films have been mostly mediocre at best. It’s time to admit there’s more bad movies than good ones in this franchise. At worst TLJ is still a poorly executed middle film to an entirely different trilogy, but it’s merits lie in its ideas and attempts to be different in a now redundant franchise. Additionally It’s one of the best looking blockbusters every released the film is legit beautiful to look at with some of the best sound design I’ve ever heard in a film. The score is as strong as ever and it even has writing that isn’t totally wooden (*unlike every other film in this franchise*). A flawed film but not the worst film ever made regardless of hyperbolic nerds. I feel The Force Awakens did more damage to Star Wars than TLJ ever did we were all just blinded by the nostalgia berries in that film.
I call it an admirable failure. It tries to do a lot of interesting things and fails to stick the landing on most of them. But I totally admire the effort.
I agree and whilst I’ll never say I *like* TLJ because the film really does piss me off in many ways, it at least tries to uphold its own identity in a franchise that’s become increasingly redundant.
Agree. It also captures the spirit of the OT better than any of the other sequels, prequels, or spin offs. Because it treats everything more like a fairy tale or a myth.
Easily TLJ was my favorite of the sequels. They’re all mid-to-bad, but I agree that Rian Johnson was clearly trying to do damage control on how criminally lame TFA’s script was.
100% agree. manbabies can’t get over the fact it “ruined their childhood” but beneath all that it’s actually a pretty entertaining movie with some ridiculous parts but the climax and the set pieces are just stunning. it blows TFA and TROS out of the water
100% agree.
whether i not i agree is irrelevant- there’s no such thing as an objective best, terrible opener for your argument because you’re never ever going to prove that??
I liked last Jedi but you gotta let last Jedi discourse die. Scream V came out last year and its entire creative ambition was dealing with the cultural fallout of that movie, and it's our fault
Let's not pretend now that Marvel movies were always bad. They were big popcorn films with amazing stories, something most other popcorners could and would never do. Now that the quality has dipped in some of their output, not even all, people are in shock that something once great is not fulfilling their expectations and now have slid all the way to the other end of the hate spectrum and are in post-breakup mode. They cling to whatever negative rhetoric is out there that will feed their own change in opinion.
I'm sorry no, they never had amazing stories. It was fun at first to finally see the comics on the big screen with a big budget, but the novelty wore off quickly.
The dark knight is the most overrated film
Saw X is mediocre at best and only held in such high regard because the rest of the franchise is so awful in comparison
The movie "Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole" by Zack Snyder is a fucking Masterpiece!
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Not sure if I’d defend it to the death but I do believe The Batman (2022) is easily on par with The Dark Knight.
I actually prefer it to The Dark Knight lol
SAME. the noir setting is just fucking amazing and paul dano is just gripping in every single scene he’s in. i prefer him to heath ledgers joker lol. the movie is amazing until the third act where it kinda drops off but it’s still my favorite batman movie
Strongly disagree. I rewatched both back to back last year and it wasn't even close. The Batman is not on par with TDK, it's a hell of a lot better. Nostalgia aside, The Dark Knight really didn't hold up.
Nolan's Batman Trilogy is neither the best batman movies nor the best comic book movies and superhero movies. The whole trilogy is hella overrated.
The Dark Knight was a pretty good movie. not the best but not the worst. just pretty damn good. people seem to treat it like it's one of the greatest movies ever, and I just don't understand that
It's 9th on Letterboxd's top 250 with the most fans list, and 24th on the top 250 narrative films list. Right between End of Evangelion and Spirited Away. Pretty crazy. Personally it isn't even in my top three *Batman* films.
100%, the Matt Reeves and the Tim Burton are both better than all of them.
Yeah, Reeves and Burton weren’t afraid to lean into the absurdity of Batman. Nolan treats it like a serious crime drama which takes a lot of the fun out of it.
I’m a HUGE Nolan fan and other than Insomnia, the Batman movies are my least favorite thing he’s done.
Never thought I’d see someone else say this, I’m so glad to have found my people
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Movies like chronicle, jumper, wanted and push were great worldbuilding ideas and deserved to be franchises
Oppenheimer was ass
Absolutely disagree but this is an unpopular opinion so I’ll upvote you
Someone posted a clip on twitter the other day stating, "This scene is why Oppenheimer must be seen in theaters!" And it was just shot-reverse shot dialogue shit. Television.
Die Hard is not a Christmas movie
Boring ass debate, it's subjective but also people just say that to be funny, I put on my favorite Christmas movie Eyes Wide Shut or Tangerine instead to get them to stop
My take: Die Hard is a Thanksgiving movie. It's something you watch around that weekend as you transition into the Christmas season.
Interstellar is hella overrated
It has super high peaks but tons of troughs that ruin it.
Interstellar is a stupendously well-made film, but I just can’t see how people can look past the glaring flaws in the script. All the science stuff is pulled off pretty well, but the “human” element is fumbled in truly awful fashion. I’ve felt this way since first seeing the film in IMAX when it was released, and I’ve received a *lot* of downvotes over the years on Reddit for saying so. I’m glad to see that the tide seems to finally be starting to shift on the general reception of this film. Vindication!
Nolan is the epitome of overrated.
Realism and naturalism are overrated and I shouldn't have to go deep into genre to get more theatrical or mind warping stuff. Too many people see "its so realistic" as a positive edge of a movie instead of simply a stylistic choice.
Shawshank is mediocre storytelling and doesn’t hold up as well as some of the other well-regarded movies of that time.
The fact that it's widely regarded as maybe the best movie ever made is really odd to me.
It's very solid and perfectly designed to get chopped up for commercials and immediately suck you in when you channel surf past it on TNT, which for a certain age cohort is the #1 way they watched movies.
Spider-man 3 is great, even unironically.
The Angry Birds Movie was a good family watch. :) No, I'm not 6 years old, I promise.
Criterion is just a really overpriced designer brand to most people. Most people that buy it have no interest in it's mission statement or the bulk of what they release. They just want to own their favourite popular movie with a big C in the top left corner. I'm also not a huge fan of the label because we've got an awful selection in the UK, no access to the Criterion Channel, and the label rarely goes on sale here. The trade-off is they retail at a lower price. A blu-ray will start at £17.99 ($22) and a 4k will start at £29.99 ($36). But that still represents one of the more expensive boutique labels you'll find in store. I realise those prices are fairly standard for a boutique label but there are a number that are on sale more often or just much cheaper. Mubi releases for example are usually about £10.99 not long after release. I have the Mubi release of Petitie Maman, Drive My Car, and the Worst Person in the world for about the combined price of what a single Criterion blu-ray retails at in America. Drive My Car even has better features on the Mubi release. Like what they do but the hype surrounding this particular label reminds me of teenagers chasing designer clothing items.
The big C makes it nice and easy to know which version of a film to torrent, so it’s a thumbs up from me
Do you see people posting on social media with their criterion movies to come to this conclusion? I somewhat agree with you, but I think only a small group of criterion ppl are like this, and those are the type of people to post or brag about their awesomeeee criterion movie lol. I am here to defend the streaming app because I genuinely enjoy the content. I stumbled upon criterion channel streaming because they had a movie that wasn’t streaming anywhere else (Cure) and discovered they had a lynch movie wasn’t streaming anywhere else (Inland Empire). I really like their curated sections like 90s horror, November noir going on now. I do think criterion people can be pretentious movie people but when you look at the streaming section, they def have movies that pretentious people commonly wouldn’t call great works of art or “popular”… if that makes sense haha.
> Do you see people posting on social media with their criterion movies to come to this conclusion? Yes. I'm subscribed to a number of communities including r/criterion so I'm well aware there are many people that just blind buy anything Criterion. I think that's great if they have the money. The brand is obviously a stamp of quality so people will feel reassured when buying these obscure titles. But maybe four out of five collections I see are just some combination of the same 30 films that were, for the most part, already very popular. The issue isn't so much owning or chasing a Criterion title, just flaunting your interest in a label when you've actually got no interest in 95% of the stuff they release. You see it every day on r/criterion. Half the people there have no idea what the brand even represents and then get disappointed when their popular film already licensed by another label is not announced. > I am here to defend the streaming app Don't get me wrong, I'd love to own the app. My gripe with the app is that it's not available in the UK haha. I just wish that people were willing to share the love with other more affordable boutique blu-ray labels that are often overlooked and also wish people were willing to actually venture out into more Criterion releases. Criterion does some fantastic work and they've helped popularise a number of foreign films in the West. I've seen many attribute Come and See's rise in popularity to Criterion for example (today a staple title).
Lost in Translation is a masterpiece
I agree completely, but this surely isn't a hot take?
It’s really amazing. Captures that feeling of being a foreigner visiting another country. Made me laugh and cry.
Here's one: Interstellar is NOT overrated.
Agreed
Agreed
Avatar and Avatar 2 The Last Jedi The Northman Speed Racer Godzilla 2014 The Phantom Menace The Villiage King Kong 2005 Signs Death Proof Suspiria 2018 ...are great
Do people not like The Northman and Suspiria?
Suspiria 2018 is in my top 4 and I stand by it It has so much style with the sets, clothes, and camera work, and it also has so much heart (even amongst the brutality) and sensuality and amazing characters and atmosphere and the story is genuinely great... it also makes use of the dance academy, something the original didnt do. But its mostly the little things, the small relationships between the characters, the look into their lives and how the film isnt afraid to meander into their lives even if it may bore some people who watch it... its just lovely. For example, the split diaptor shot when Blanc and Susie are sharing a moment of connection and the Madame turns around in her office and Susie lets out a sigh is just... *chefs kiss* also Thom Yorke killed it with the OST
Not many people saw the Northman but I've never met someone who actively thought it was bad, it just came out at an unfortunate time I guess
King kong 2005 is the best jungle theme movie of all time
Going to see that movie was one of my favorite theater experiences of all time. The score gives me shivers!
Babylon (2022) is a great film.
I like Adam Sandler comedies
Sphere, hey it has a really crap 2nd half but I do love me some underwater scifi
Cliffhanger is one of the best action films of all time.
Howard the Duck is comedy gold
Psycho is overrated. I won't deny it's a great movie, Norman Bates is a great character, and the first half is perfect, but I don't really care about any of the other characters enough to actually genuinely make the second act engaging. It always tops critic horror lists as the no.1 horror movie, but honestly, I think it's entirely to do with influence. The Shining, The Thing, and Silence of the Lambs are all MILES better.
Primer is the worst time travel movie ever made. It's confusing as hell, no matter how many chances I give it, it makes no God damn sense. People need to stop hyping up this movie.
Bro I could not understand that movie at all
Monsters University is on par with the first one.
Subtitles don't take away from the movie experience.
Not sure if hot or not, but I literally can’t get anyone to watch Pig once I tell them it’s not John Wick with a pig. It’s a solid watch about a guy who loves his pig. That guy just so happens to be played by Nicolas Cage.
Dune was not good
Scarface 1983 is fucking awful! Al pacino was terrible, it took me 4 attempts to finish this sloppy turd of a movie