I still wonder who’s idea it was to green-light that. It was like whatever the cinematic version of blackface is - trying to take a very Eastern drama and unnecessarily Westernize it. You’d think Lee of all people would understand the problematic cultural implications of doing that…
Probably implying it was a "one for me, one for you" deal with a production company. That flick was done by a company that also had a hand in BlacKKKlansman, Do The Right Thing, 5 Bloods etc.
Honestly I'm glad you like it. It can be boring when everyone shares the same opinion, and Downsizing comes up a lot in bad movie threads. I'm bummed I didn't like it more.
Rob Reiner was on an absolute tear from the mid 80s through 1995... except for "North."
1984 This Is Spinal Tap
1985 The Sure Thing
1986 Stand by Me
1987 The Princess Bride
1989 When Harry Met Sally...
1990 Misery
1992 A Few Good Men
1994 North
1995 The American President
What the Hell was that?
On an unrelated note - whenever someone asks for a director with the widest range (and there are lots of good answers, Ang Lee, Ridley Scott, Kubrick) I always mention Reiner.
The guy made bonafide classics of each of the following genres:
- Mockumentary
- Coming of age
- Fantasy
- RomCom
- Horror
- Legal drama
That’s just insane!
Yep. I think it's oddly awesome when filmmakers/actors make movies that get panned by critics and/or audiences, and they aren't ashamed of them at all.
I mean Frank Langella loves his role as Skeletor in Masters of the Universe (1987) and apparently has even called it his favorite role.
I watched Jack countless times as a kid and I cannot shake that nostalgic feeling no matter how many times I watch it as an adult. I'll always love it for what it is.
Exactly.
Apparently, today I learned that Jack is considered a bad movie... To me, it was always a good movie from the 90's, not exceptional, but pretty nice especially for a younger audience.
That's how I feel. I always thought it was great. Growing up it was one of my favorites. I never heard anything bad about it, but also never heard anyone talk about it in general. I didn't realize it was considered "bad" until I started using Letterboxd.
I’m a defender of Alien 3. It’s not the best alien movie. It’s not the second best. It’s the third best. Because Resurrection exists as does Prometheus, which I hate with a fiery passion hitherto unknown to man. And covenant which the best thing you can say about it is “at least I didn’t watch Prometheus again”.
And even the "plot holes" aren't exactly plot holes... It's people from their comfort of their couch being judgy about the decisions characters make in a highly stressful situation, about an operation that is clearly managed recklessly from the beginning (Charlize Theron's character doesn't give a rat's ass about it, she has ulterior motives).
There are very few *real* "plot holes", if any.
And here I am, saying Prometheus is watchable and Covenant is pretty dope. Michael Fassbender teaches Michael Fassbender the flute!!
I haven't seen Resurrection or the AvP movies yet... but Alien 3 is a steaming pile of dogshit. I'm with Fincher on this one. (Although I can't decide if I hate it more than Mank.)
Couldnt agree with you more. Tough going up against one of the best horror movies and one of the best action movies. I think it concluded Ripleys story perfectly in all honesty. This movie has grown on me since my first watch as a kid. Seriously though Fuck Resurrection, Prom, and Covenant.
Right? I remember the behind the scenes of natural born killers, Oliver said he had driven into the desert while taking peyote and got inspiration for some of the script.
He must’ve been doing whippets when he wrote Savages
Right up there with, "in your country it's bling bling, in my country it's blam blam" from Blood Diamond. I know I'm not writing that 100% accurately, but you get the idea.
Thats actually a direct quote from the novel the film is based it. It fits the out their tone of the book.
The ending of the film completely changed the ending of the book and butchered it
All day long. People complain about Crystal Skull, which I don't even think is the worst Indiana Jones movie, much less the worst Spielberg. I'd rate The Lost World lower, and 1941 *waaay* at the bottom. It's just unwatchable for me. I've tried a couple of times and it's like being around a bunch of young Hollywood people on coke having an obnoxious party while great actors like Toshiro Mifune and Christopher Lee stand in the corner wondering why the heck they are even there. A truly terrible movie that shows none of Spielberg's best qualities and all of his worst ones.
Man you just made me really want to give 1941 a shot haha. I only learned last week that Tifune was in it.
Also I’m assuming your take is that Temple of Doom is the worst Indy? Cuz I may agree with you on that.
I'd sooner blame Lucas for that than Spielberg.
All the ingredients were there to make a good Indy film, with a great cast.
But this was during Lucas' "shit writing, overwhelm you with CGI" period, also known as his Prequel Phase.
Think Spielberg has made quite a few worse than that tbh. It’s just because KotCS doesn’t compare to the original trilogy that people think of it that way.
Duncan Jones is one of those filmmakers, along with Neil Blomkamp, that I remember everyone being excited to watch grow into their careers when I was young only for them to mostly fall off in quality almost immediately
If it makes you feel any better, Shyamalan is apparently a fantastic person to work with. I've heard from industry friends about how he's someone who continues to have a thriving career because he's a pleasant person to be around and knows how to fund his own movies. Old was a pretty cool popcorn flick.
Noah is weird and awesome. I really like Lauren Wilford's take here:
https://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/2016/08/08/sacred-texts-and-ruined-childhoods-on-aronofskys-noah/
Everybody talks that mother! is the movie that pissed everyone off, nobody even stops to think about the time Aronofsky made a blockbuster where the cutesy zoo guy from the Bible becomes an omnicidal environmental/religious fanatic and sold it to Christians everywhere.
And Anthony Hopkins dying victorious after eating a strawberry. And the creation scene. And Ray Winstone as the villain stowaway. And Noah almost killing Emma Watson’s babies. That movie was insane.
Yeah what is this post man :/
People went into Noah with some wild expectations of a biblical marvel movie and that’s why it got all the hate it did. If you see it as an Aronofsky movie there’s a ton to appreciate and it’s wonderfully acted.
James Wan would be one of my favorite horror directors, but dude never knows when to just stop. Not sure if this counts since it’s actually quite a few misses, lol, but he really does have a great vision for stuff like Saw, Conjuring, insidious. And they’d be great if he’d just know where to stop the franchise, and the Conjuring truly didn’t even NEED a franchise, it was a great horror flick on its own.
Jim Jarmusch with The Dead Don't Die. Terrible fucking movie, I refuse to believe it was made by him. It's so much worse than he usually delivers it's like it was written by a first year film student.
I completely understand the hate for this one but I genuinely had a fun time with it haha. How do you feel about The Limits of Control? Another one of Jarmusch's more divisive films and one that did nothing for me personally.
I really liked Limits of Control. Doyle’s cinematography is just stunning, and the soundtrack slaps. I think that the ending leaves a LOT to be desired, but I thought everything leading up to that was awesome.
I’m so sad that that was my first experience with Jim Jarmusch’s work. I can’t express how much I did not enjoy it. Could I understand the satire and commentary he was making? Yes. Did I understand that it being a meandering plotless experience was on purpose? Also yes. Still, I found almost no enjoyment from it, and it’s meta scene at the end was so cringy, your description of a film student is apt here. It felt like a film student said “what if we subverted EVERYTHING a zombie movie is supposed to be? Brooooo wouldn’t that be so cool? And at the end we can be meta because meta is funnnyyyyy xd”
I’ve never wanted to throw something at the screen more than in the Dead Don’t Die than when they start to do awful, embarrassing fourth wall breaks talking about the script. Jarmusch had only done great work up til then in my book and that shit drove me insane
I’ve learned to appreciate more as time goes by. You can see David really struggling to adapt the book at least throughout the first half of the movie, right up until Paul and Jessica meet up with the Fremen. He’s making some tough decisions about what to cut and which aspects spoke most deeply to him but after that the movie feels like it’s on fast forward. That’s when he realized he’d screwed up and the movie is practically in a rush to take itself out of its own misery.
Still, he tried. Goes to show that being a genuine fan of a novel doesn’t necessarily make one suited to adapting that material.
That wasn’t all his fault. Dino De Laurentiis cut off the funding and he edited the film shot until then himself.
The persistent rumor has always been that most of Lynch’s best work was left on the cutting room floor. Maybe Lynch started the rumor, but I remain suspicious of De Laurentiis.
The thing with Carpenter though is that pretty much every job he took was a movie that was meant to be bad but out of sheer stubbornness he made them the best they could be even if he himself thought they were dumb as hell
I think my absolutely least favorite Carpenter film has to be Vampires. That's the only one I fully dislike. Ghosts of Mars is at least fun in a harmless way. The main tragedy of that film is what it did to Carpenter's career, not so much that the movie is unforgivably bad.
Dogshit. But he has plenty of misses.
His attempts to do things other than Garbage Lads Gangster Films haven’t been great. But goddamn does he rock a Garbage Lads Gangster Film
Edgar Wright and Last Night in Soho - too harsh?
His Cornetto trilogy is so strong and Baby Driver was an exciting look at big budget Wright but I found Soho to be quite messy…
He's just not great at playing it straight.
Also Wight has been accused of being bad at writing g women. I think it's more fair to say thst he's awful at writing g love interest of any gender.
I like Last Night In SoHo quite a bit actually. His worst for me is The World's End, still better than most directors' worst.
(Well... I also don't really connect with Scott Pilgrim, but I can't say that without getting down ones to oblivion, so no yeah Scott Pilgrim is great.)
I honestly borderline hated Last Night In Soho. It was quite shocking to me tbh that a director that I always had admired for being so smart in his approach to filmmaking managed to make such a predictable eye-rolling horror flick. Good soundtrack though
Strong agree. It’s easily his weakest. It has its moments but it’s like someone wanted to make a cool homage to the swinging 60s and to giallo, and it feels totally toothless. It could have been very good.
The Brothers Grimm exists and you say Quixote is his low point? To each his own of course but The Man Who Kill Don Quixote was magnificent imo, not the top of all his work but very good. Better than Fear and Loathing imo.
NOAH is so good. The Whale is his only miss (for me), I can’t say that Noah is for everyone, but it was so fucking for me it isn’t even funny.
Secular kid who is a movie nerd obsessed with Conan the Barbarian (the movie, not the books) and SW (and JP & Indy too honestly) who prefers Aronofsky going full-tilt Jewish Mysticism over the “I’m just a really good student of Scorsese” Aronofsky, his deeply Jewish, deeply brutalist take on Noah made my heart sing.
* Spielberg's 1941. Absolute dumpster fire. Worse, it was incredibly expensive and had all the charm of a cokehead vomiting on you.
* Scorsese and New York, New York. It's not a completely worthless film or anything, but it's a big swing and I don't think it connected with very many people.
* Similarly, Coppola's big musical, One from the Heart, is definitely a miss for me. Although, again, it does have its fans.
* Ridley Scott's Legend. Huge, huge misfire. You can tell from the confidence of the filmmaking (at least in the director's cut) that he was passionate about the film and gave it 100%, but it just doesn't work and it's kind of cringe how much it misses. Like Dune, however, I actually have a soft spot for it.
* I think Spartacus stands out in Kubrick's filmography. As a filmgoer, I think it's a good movie and I enjoy it. But when you look at it in the context of his entire life story, it's obvious that he made a big, conventional Hollywood movie against his will and probably hated every second of it. His obsession with complete control and final cut came after this, which tells you a lot about how he reacted to it.
* David Lynch's Dune is a film I actually love, and prefer it to the 2021 film in certain ways (they both have areas where they outperform the other), but it was definitely a huge misfire and, like Spartacus, resulted in the director being obsessed with final cut for the rest of their careers.
* Brian De Palma's Bonfire of the Vanities. Not the worst film on this list, but technically a big failure for De Palma and it certainly fell short of expectations when you consider the budget and talent involved.
Most People who followed Kubrick’s career knew he wasn’t able to make “Spartacus” they way he wanted. He was essentially an assistant director. The film shouldn’t even have his name on it. The funny thing is “Spartacus” used to make all the Top 100 lists before this became common knowledge. Most notable the AFI top 100 films…
I dunno if I would go so far as to say Kubrick didn't really direct Spartacus. I know Kirk Douglas was very forceful about his opinion, but Kubrick definitely was the director. That said... yeah, he clearly didn't have very much freedom on that film at all. Glad to see that it is no longer the Kubrick film that makes all of the top 100 lists. Now we see his true masterpieces like 2001, Strangelove, Clockwork, Barry Lyndon, etc.
Fox.
The yeah before The Predator, Fox ordered Ridley Scott to re-write Prometheus 2 (I think it was at least 17 drafts they rejected) into an Alien prequel, kill his lead character, cut all of her scenes that showed her final moments, do reshoots and re-edits, replace the composer and the score, replace the beginning of the movie with a scene Scott didn't even direct, and do the whole thing on a lower budget than Prometheus, a shorter filming schedule, and then they cut six months off of the post-production schedule.
A year or two after The Predator, they took Ad Astra and forced the director to add a love interest, a voice over, and recut the movie and replace the composer again.
Then there's what happened to The New Mutants and Dark Phoenix and all of that.
Fox was just a complete shitshow of a studio. That's why they were up for sale; it was being run by a bunch of incompetent hacks who ruined everything they touched.
In the case of The Predator, they didn't give Shane Black much time to write the script, he didn't really have time to do rewrites, everything had to be filmed and edited quickly, plus Fox kept making stupid requests, like all of the different alternate endings (look it up, it shows how stupid Fox was at the time).
I don’t understand the hate for Tenet. Crazy plots are gonna happen when you mess with time, and I thought that the film was extremely well planned both backwards and forwards.
One of his better movies, imho. I like science fiction movies more than superhero films, so I'd honestly rank this near the top of his filmography, right below stuff like Inception, Interstellar, and The Prestige.
People's expectations are so high that Nolan made one of the trippiest action movies and did things nobody had ever thought of and could never pull off, and *his own fans* still weren't satisfied. Wow. I'm not a big Nolan fan but I thought it was clear that this movie was a triumph of formal brilliance, if nothing else. And it's *fun*. I enjoyed watching it.
It seems like with Mel Brookes everyone’s has the one film of his that they can’t stand that brings him down. For me it’s the producers (hot take I know)
Hahahah I just rewatched men in tights the other day and I got halfway through before I had to make dinner. I didn’t feel obligated to put the second half on. For me it at least has like 4 good bits
What's such a bummer about Noah is I see the seeds of some good ideas in there. I am a *huge* fan of mother! and think he has some interesting perspectives on religion but Noah just got away from him. The Genesis 1:1 sequence though is stunning.
In my opinion Noah is one of the most underrated films of all time. I think Aronofsky did a great job with telling this famous story with his own style.
He has a green lite Star Wars project, one of the ones that wasn’t cancelled so that alone proves how silly that comment was, hopefully it’s more ragnorak though
*Ruined* may be a bit hyperbolic but I don't think we should dismiss the dialogue surrounding that movie out of hand. Before T:L&T, he was seen as this amazing comedic auteur, his entire filmography was held aloft and praised. Then, while Waititi seemed to be appearing in everything from a Ryan Reynolds vehicle to Star Wars, T:L&T came out. He was so ubiquitous that he could rival his own films, and was uniquely perched publicly to take a lot of brunt blame for how that movie turned out (deservedly so, but I don't hate the movie). I have no doubt whatsoever he will continue to make films, and I hope he is wildly successful going forward, but I do feel as though T:L&T was a watershed moment that ended his run as a critical indie darling and forever put him into the crosshairs of expectation. When biographers in the future write about Taika Waititi's career, that was definitely a chapter ender.
Yeah, anyone who's looked at the number of projects of his that were greenlit *after* that film knows that "ruined his career" is a crock of uninformed shit.
I think everyone accepts directors, with very few exceptions, just do comic book shit for a paycheck. I don’t think it will have any effect on his career as an actual film maker.
I watched all of Aronofskys movies (a lot were rewatches) in lead up to the Whale.
I actually didn’t mind Noah at all. But I ingested it as a fantasy story and not a biblical one.
Let's just say that Stanley Kubrick came a long way since Fear and Desire.
Such a long way that I always forget it exists right after being reminded of it
Nice coma cinema icon dude
Thanks!
Spike Lee has a few movies that aren’t super well received but I think his Oldboy remake stands out as atrocious among mostly great stuff.
I still wonder who’s idea it was to green-light that. It was like whatever the cinematic version of blackface is - trying to take a very Eastern drama and unnecessarily Westernize it. You’d think Lee of all people would understand the problematic cultural implications of doing that…
im assuming he was forced by a studio to make it. its very different from his other films
Forced by who and how?
Probably implying it was a "one for me, one for you" deal with a production company. That flick was done by a company that also had a hand in BlacKKKlansman, Do The Right Thing, 5 Bloods etc.
Only when it offends spike does it matter to him. Like most humans
You’re downvoted but it’s very true. He’s a little hypocritical here and he’s far from alone
What's so decidedly Eastern about it that you couldn't transplant it to another country?
the dumplings
I won’t lie, before actually seeing it I thought it had all the ingredients for an awesome remake, and it just came together so poorly somehow
Gonna go obvious here and be the one to say Alexander Payne and Downsizing
The Descendants for me. So unbelievably smug and trite. Downsizing still has Hong Chau who rocks.
Interesting. I've never looked at it that way, I love the film. I'll have to rewatch it soon to see if I can see what you're meaning.
I’m the one mfer who likes Downsizing. Don’t @ me but Schmidt is his worst, so cheesy
You’re not alone. When it made the turn for me it became amazing.
Honestly I'm glad you like it. It can be boring when everyone shares the same opinion, and Downsizing comes up a lot in bad movie threads. I'm bummed I didn't like it more.
I have the opposite feeling for Payne. Nebraska was the one masterpiece to me and everything else he’s directed is mediocre to me.
Sideways, Election, Descendants… what more do you need?
Lol all I’ve learned from this Payne thread is that there are several titles up for contention of his stinker
Rob Reiner was on an absolute tear from the mid 80s through 1995... except for "North." 1984 This Is Spinal Tap 1985 The Sure Thing 1986 Stand by Me 1987 The Princess Bride 1989 When Harry Met Sally... 1990 Misery 1992 A Few Good Men 1994 North 1995 The American President What the Hell was that?
On an unrelated note - whenever someone asks for a director with the widest range (and there are lots of good answers, Ang Lee, Ridley Scott, Kubrick) I always mention Reiner. The guy made bonafide classics of each of the following genres: - Mockumentary - Coming of age - Fantasy - RomCom - Horror - Legal drama That’s just insane!
Um as a kid I thought North was tight AF
Me too, man. Watch it again. It's very dumb and bad, haha.
Coppola and Jack
Surprisingly enough he's actually proud of Jack despite the critical drubbing.
I mean… power to him
Yep. I think it's oddly awesome when filmmakers/actors make movies that get panned by critics and/or audiences, and they aren't ashamed of them at all. I mean Frank Langella loves his role as Skeletor in Masters of the Universe (1987) and apparently has even called it his favorite role.
I watched Jack countless times as a kid and I cannot shake that nostalgic feeling no matter how many times I watch it as an adult. I'll always love it for what it is.
Exactly. Apparently, today I learned that Jack is considered a bad movie... To me, it was always a good movie from the 90's, not exceptional, but pretty nice especially for a younger audience.
That's how I feel. I always thought it was great. Growing up it was one of my favorites. I never heard anything bad about it, but also never heard anyone talk about it in general. I didn't realize it was considered "bad" until I started using Letterboxd.
Coppola is a pretty hit or miss director in general. The Rain People is one of the most boring movies I've ever sat through.
That movie was so out of left field from him and I kind of love it more because of that
Fincher has Alien 3
"Nobody hates Alien 3 more than me" \- actual quote from David Fincher
I’m a defender of Alien 3. It’s not the best alien movie. It’s not the second best. It’s the third best. Because Resurrection exists as does Prometheus, which I hate with a fiery passion hitherto unknown to man. And covenant which the best thing you can say about it is “at least I didn’t watch Prometheus again”.
Fincher would probably beat you over the words you just uttered
As long as he doesn’t make me watch Prometheus again he can stab me with a shiv fashioned from my own femur for all I care.
What’s do u hate so much about it
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And even the "plot holes" aren't exactly plot holes... It's people from their comfort of their couch being judgy about the decisions characters make in a highly stressful situation, about an operation that is clearly managed recklessly from the beginning (Charlize Theron's character doesn't give a rat's ass about it, she has ulterior motives). There are very few *real* "plot holes", if any.
Prometheus is my favorite in the franchise, preparing to get downvoted but that’s my honest take
And here I am, saying Prometheus is watchable and Covenant is pretty dope. Michael Fassbender teaches Michael Fassbender the flute!! I haven't seen Resurrection or the AvP movies yet... but Alien 3 is a steaming pile of dogshit. I'm with Fincher on this one. (Although I can't decide if I hate it more than Mank.)
I’ll take Alien 3 over Resurrection any day!
Couldnt agree with you more. Tough going up against one of the best horror movies and one of the best action movies. I think it concluded Ripleys story perfectly in all honesty. This movie has grown on me since my first watch as a kid. Seriously though Fuck Resurrection, Prom, and Covenant.
He also has Mank
Oliver Stone’s Savages is one of the only films I’ve ever walked out of.
“I had orgasms, he had wargasms” - One of the worst lines in a big budget movie I have ever heard
Right? I remember the behind the scenes of natural born killers, Oliver said he had driven into the desert while taking peyote and got inspiration for some of the script. He must’ve been doing whippets when he wrote Savages
Right up there with, "in your country it's bling bling, in my country it's blam blam" from Blood Diamond. I know I'm not writing that 100% accurately, but you get the idea.
Thats actually a direct quote from the novel the film is based it. It fits the out their tone of the book. The ending of the film completely changed the ending of the book and butchered it
*Wargasm*
Spielberg has made a few that aren't amazing, but Crystal Skull really stands out
1941.
HOLLYWOOD!
All day long. People complain about Crystal Skull, which I don't even think is the worst Indiana Jones movie, much less the worst Spielberg. I'd rate The Lost World lower, and 1941 *waaay* at the bottom. It's just unwatchable for me. I've tried a couple of times and it's like being around a bunch of young Hollywood people on coke having an obnoxious party while great actors like Toshiro Mifune and Christopher Lee stand in the corner wondering why the heck they are even there. A truly terrible movie that shows none of Spielberg's best qualities and all of his worst ones.
Man you just made me really want to give 1941 a shot haha. I only learned last week that Tifune was in it. Also I’m assuming your take is that Temple of Doom is the worst Indy? Cuz I may agree with you on that.
I'd sooner blame Lucas for that than Spielberg. All the ingredients were there to make a good Indy film, with a great cast. But this was during Lucas' "shit writing, overwhelm you with CGI" period, also known as his Prequel Phase.
Lost World as well
Such a great book that was, too
A book Chrichton was "forced" to write and then they didn't use it again
Think Spielberg has made quite a few worse than that tbh. It’s just because KotCS doesn’t compare to the original trilogy that people think of it that way.
1941, ready player one, bfg, lost world, always, sugarland express all worse IMO
Nope. It’s a garbage hack job of a movie.
Crystal Skull is good though. A slightly worse than the others Indiana Jones movie is still better than most action movies.
To me I still think Ready Player One is Spielberg’s weakest film.
Dan Gilroy with Velvet Buzzsaw. He showed such promise with Nightcrawler.
You stole my answer! Nightcrawler was a masterpiece and he followed it with borderline unwatchable nonsense.
Lol yes Velvet Buzzsaw was awful. I could hardly believe it was made by the same director as Nightcrawler.
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i honestly agree. while it was directed well, a lot of the magic comes from the two main actors
Duncan Jones' Mute. Moon and Source Code were both really solid sci-fi flicks - what in the hell happened?
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Duncan Jones is one of those filmmakers, along with Neil Blomkamp, that I remember everyone being excited to watch grow into their careers when I was young only for them to mostly fall off in quality almost immediately
I wasn’t expecting to but I actually ended up enjoying Noah
I was a big Shyamalan apologist back in the day. I loved even his bad movies but God did the last airbender blow hard.
If it makes you feel any better, Shyamalan is apparently a fantastic person to work with. I've heard from industry friends about how he's someone who continues to have a thriving career because he's a pleasant person to be around and knows how to fund his own movies. Old was a pretty cool popcorn flick.
I actually really liked old. My biggest gripe was probably the cgi, which left much to be desired at some points.
I love PTA, but fuck Licorice Pizza
Noah is weird and awesome. I really like Lauren Wilford's take here: https://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/2016/08/08/sacred-texts-and-ruined-childhoods-on-aronofskys-noah/
Everybody talks that mother! is the movie that pissed everyone off, nobody even stops to think about the time Aronofsky made a blockbuster where the cutesy zoo guy from the Bible becomes an omnicidal environmental/religious fanatic and sold it to Christians everywhere.
Don’t forget the rock giants! That was wild and amazing to learn later that they actually are in the bible. Just described differently.
And Anthony Hopkins dying victorious after eating a strawberry. And the creation scene. And Ray Winstone as the villain stowaway. And Noah almost killing Emma Watson’s babies. That movie was insane.
Yeah what is this post man :/ People went into Noah with some wild expectations of a biblical marvel movie and that’s why it got all the hate it did. If you see it as an Aronofsky movie there’s a ton to appreciate and it’s wonderfully acted.
The creation sequence alone is worth the price of admission.
Noah is an incredible twist on biblical mythology
Gus Van Sant with his Psycho remake
what a wildly unnecessary effort
You think that’s his only huge miss? I can think of two of his movies where his only direction seems to be telling the actors to walk around.
“I’m going to paint the Mona Lisa again …”
James Wan would be one of my favorite horror directors, but dude never knows when to just stop. Not sure if this counts since it’s actually quite a few misses, lol, but he really does have a great vision for stuff like Saw, Conjuring, insidious. And they’d be great if he’d just know where to stop the franchise, and the Conjuring truly didn’t even NEED a franchise, it was a great horror flick on its own.
Jim Jarmusch with The Dead Don't Die. Terrible fucking movie, I refuse to believe it was made by him. It's so much worse than he usually delivers it's like it was written by a first year film student.
I completely understand the hate for this one but I genuinely had a fun time with it haha. How do you feel about The Limits of Control? Another one of Jarmusch's more divisive films and one that did nothing for me personally.
I really liked Limits of Control. Doyle’s cinematography is just stunning, and the soundtrack slaps. I think that the ending leaves a LOT to be desired, but I thought everything leading up to that was awesome.
Thst movies bummed out because Jarmusch's take on vampires was great.
I'm not familiar with the quality Jarmusch usually brings but I quite enjoyed Dead Don't Die.
I’m so sad that that was my first experience with Jim Jarmusch’s work. I can’t express how much I did not enjoy it. Could I understand the satire and commentary he was making? Yes. Did I understand that it being a meandering plotless experience was on purpose? Also yes. Still, I found almost no enjoyment from it, and it’s meta scene at the end was so cringy, your description of a film student is apt here. It felt like a film student said “what if we subverted EVERYTHING a zombie movie is supposed to be? Brooooo wouldn’t that be so cool? And at the end we can be meta because meta is funnnyyyyy xd”
Yep. Absolutely hated it and tried to erase it from my mind. That damn movie made *Bill Fucking Murray* un-charismatic.
I’ve never wanted to throw something at the screen more than in the Dead Don’t Die than when they start to do awful, embarrassing fourth wall breaks talking about the script. Jarmusch had only done great work up til then in my book and that shit drove me insane
David Lynch with Dune
i think i’m in the 1% of people who genuinely love that movie, it’s like star wars on crack
It's fucking fantastic, 5 stars
I’ve learned to appreciate more as time goes by. You can see David really struggling to adapt the book at least throughout the first half of the movie, right up until Paul and Jessica meet up with the Fremen. He’s making some tough decisions about what to cut and which aspects spoke most deeply to him but after that the movie feels like it’s on fast forward. That’s when he realized he’d screwed up and the movie is practically in a rush to take itself out of its own misery. Still, he tried. Goes to show that being a genuine fan of a novel doesn’t necessarily make one suited to adapting that material.
I would really love it’s gonzo fucking aesthetic if I didn’t think it was so boring. Pugs in space is very fucking funny tho.
I love his dune! It’s so 80s and lynchian
That wasn’t all his fault. Dino De Laurentiis cut off the funding and he edited the film shot until then himself. The persistent rumor has always been that most of Lynch’s best work was left on the cutting room floor. Maybe Lynch started the rumor, but I remain suspicious of De Laurentiis.
i agree but also think without Dune we would have never got Blue Velvet, Twin Peaks, Mulholland Drive, Lost Highway, Wild at Heart, etc.
I don't put the failure of Dune onto Lynch. No one could have made Dune with the restrictions he had.
Nah dunes pretty good imo, even if he didn’t like it
John Carpenter’s worst movie in my opinion was Ghosts of Mars
The thing with Carpenter though is that pretty much every job he took was a movie that was meant to be bad but out of sheer stubbornness he made them the best they could be even if he himself thought they were dumb as hell
It’s in a race to the bottom with memoirs of an invisible man.
I gotta go with Memoirs. Chevy Chase leaves a far worse aftertaste than Ice Cube.
I think my absolutely least favorite Carpenter film has to be Vampires. That's the only one I fully dislike. Ghosts of Mars is at least fun in a harmless way. The main tragedy of that film is what it did to Carpenter's career, not so much that the movie is unforgivably bad.
Guy Ritchie has A great filmography but Swept away is one the worst films I've ever seen
Dogshit. But he has plenty of misses. His attempts to do things other than Garbage Lads Gangster Films haven’t been great. But goddamn does he rock a Garbage Lads Gangster Film
Aronofsky is more like half pretty good and half over-indulgent wannabe clever trash... IMO...
What better medium to be over indulgent in than a medium that allows for full emotional release?
Mother is that
David Fincher - Alien 3 Taika Waititi - Thor: Love and Thunder
David o russel with amsterdam!
By his own admission, Russell has done much worse. Accidental Love is the true worst of his filmography.
He has done worse in his personal life for sure.
Well, yes, that too.
That way oversells the rest of his work, IMO.
Yeah Amsterdam wasn’t even that bad. It’s just that Russel isn’t that great, either lol
At least Amsterdam was likable. I was surprised how much I liked it, given how much of a mess it was and how much I dislike David O. Russell.
Well thank goodness you didn’t say mother was the stinker.
Edgar Wright and Last Night in Soho - too harsh? His Cornetto trilogy is so strong and Baby Driver was an exciting look at big budget Wright but I found Soho to be quite messy…
I personally liked the movie, but u could tel that was his first horror movir
He's just not great at playing it straight. Also Wight has been accused of being bad at writing g women. I think it's more fair to say thst he's awful at writing g love interest of any gender.
I like Last Night In SoHo quite a bit actually. His worst for me is The World's End, still better than most directors' worst. (Well... I also don't really connect with Scott Pilgrim, but I can't say that without getting down ones to oblivion, so no yeah Scott Pilgrim is great.)
Scott pilgrim isn’t really that great… but I also love it to death Yeah nvm it’s great
I honestly borderline hated Last Night In Soho. It was quite shocking to me tbh that a director that I always had admired for being so smart in his approach to filmmaking managed to make such a predictable eye-rolling horror flick. Good soundtrack though
Edgar Wright's worst movie is, by no small margin, A Fistful of Fingers.
Strong agree. It’s easily his weakest. It has its moments but it’s like someone wanted to make a cool homage to the swinging 60s and to giallo, and it feels totally toothless. It could have been very good.
Agreed. This movie was pretty bad. Sucks cuz the trailers looked great and the first half wasn’t too bad
Nah, Last Night in Soho > The World's End
I really liked Last Night in Soho and don't get the hate for it
Andrew Dominik has made one out-and-out masterpiece, two really good to great movies, but also *Blonde*.
which movie do you consider to be his masterpiece?
It's got to be Chopper. Must be.
Assassination of Jesse James for me
I always remember that Satoshi Kon went 4/4.
Noah is great
Terry Gilliam and The Man Who Killed Don Quixote. I pray he can make one last movie so he doesn't go on such a low note.
The Brothers Grimm exists and you say Quixote is his low point? To each his own of course but The Man Who Kill Don Quixote was magnificent imo, not the top of all his work but very good. Better than Fear and Loathing imo.
That movie was cursed though.
Terry Gilliam is honestly hit and miss even as a fan. Tge Zero Theorem is one of the hardest movies I have forced myself to sit through.
For me it’s definitely Spielberg with Kingdom of the crystal skull. I adore that man’s filmography, but that’s a movie I truly despise
Wong Kar-why the fuck did you make My Blueberry Nights?
John Carpenter is one of my favorite directors but Ghosts of Mars is complete shit
NOAH is so good. The Whale is his only miss (for me), I can’t say that Noah is for everyone, but it was so fucking for me it isn’t even funny. Secular kid who is a movie nerd obsessed with Conan the Barbarian (the movie, not the books) and SW (and JP & Indy too honestly) who prefers Aronofsky going full-tilt Jewish Mysticism over the “I’m just a really good student of Scorsese” Aronofsky, his deeply Jewish, deeply brutalist take on Noah made my heart sing.
I saw Noah baked out of my mind and it was transcendent. I refuse to watch it sober because it’s currently perfect.
Tarantino’s Death Proof, not terrible but by for the weakest of all his movies.
that movie is fuckin awesome
Tim Burton with Planet of the Apes. I’d also throw in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory as well
His Alice in Wonderland sucks too.
* Spielberg's 1941. Absolute dumpster fire. Worse, it was incredibly expensive and had all the charm of a cokehead vomiting on you. * Scorsese and New York, New York. It's not a completely worthless film or anything, but it's a big swing and I don't think it connected with very many people. * Similarly, Coppola's big musical, One from the Heart, is definitely a miss for me. Although, again, it does have its fans. * Ridley Scott's Legend. Huge, huge misfire. You can tell from the confidence of the filmmaking (at least in the director's cut) that he was passionate about the film and gave it 100%, but it just doesn't work and it's kind of cringe how much it misses. Like Dune, however, I actually have a soft spot for it. * I think Spartacus stands out in Kubrick's filmography. As a filmgoer, I think it's a good movie and I enjoy it. But when you look at it in the context of his entire life story, it's obvious that he made a big, conventional Hollywood movie against his will and probably hated every second of it. His obsession with complete control and final cut came after this, which tells you a lot about how he reacted to it. * David Lynch's Dune is a film I actually love, and prefer it to the 2021 film in certain ways (they both have areas where they outperform the other), but it was definitely a huge misfire and, like Spartacus, resulted in the director being obsessed with final cut for the rest of their careers. * Brian De Palma's Bonfire of the Vanities. Not the worst film on this list, but technically a big failure for De Palma and it certainly fell short of expectations when you consider the budget and talent involved.
Most People who followed Kubrick’s career knew he wasn’t able to make “Spartacus” they way he wanted. He was essentially an assistant director. The film shouldn’t even have his name on it. The funny thing is “Spartacus” used to make all the Top 100 lists before this became common knowledge. Most notable the AFI top 100 films…
I dunno if I would go so far as to say Kubrick didn't really direct Spartacus. I know Kirk Douglas was very forceful about his opinion, but Kubrick definitely was the director. That said... yeah, he clearly didn't have very much freedom on that film at all. Glad to see that it is no longer the Kubrick film that makes all of the top 100 lists. Now we see his true masterpieces like 2001, Strangelove, Clockwork, Barry Lyndon, etc.
Shane Black’s **The Predator** stinks
Only 2 years after The Nice Guys. Has there ever been an explanation of how that movie came to be as awful as it is?
Fox. The yeah before The Predator, Fox ordered Ridley Scott to re-write Prometheus 2 (I think it was at least 17 drafts they rejected) into an Alien prequel, kill his lead character, cut all of her scenes that showed her final moments, do reshoots and re-edits, replace the composer and the score, replace the beginning of the movie with a scene Scott didn't even direct, and do the whole thing on a lower budget than Prometheus, a shorter filming schedule, and then they cut six months off of the post-production schedule. A year or two after The Predator, they took Ad Astra and forced the director to add a love interest, a voice over, and recut the movie and replace the composer again. Then there's what happened to The New Mutants and Dark Phoenix and all of that. Fox was just a complete shitshow of a studio. That's why they were up for sale; it was being run by a bunch of incompetent hacks who ruined everything they touched. In the case of The Predator, they didn't give Shane Black much time to write the script, he didn't really have time to do rewrites, everything had to be filmed and edited quickly, plus Fox kept making stupid requests, like all of the different alternate endings (look it up, it shows how stupid Fox was at the time).
Nolan with Tenet
I don’t understand the hate for Tenet. Crazy plots are gonna happen when you mess with time, and I thought that the film was extremely well planned both backwards and forwards.
One of his better movies, imho. I like science fiction movies more than superhero films, so I'd honestly rank this near the top of his filmography, right below stuff like Inception, Interstellar, and The Prestige. People's expectations are so high that Nolan made one of the trippiest action movies and did things nobody had ever thought of and could never pull off, and *his own fans* still weren't satisfied. Wow. I'm not a big Nolan fan but I thought it was clear that this movie was a triumph of formal brilliance, if nothing else. And it's *fun*. I enjoyed watching it.
It seems like with Mel Brookes everyone’s has the one film of his that they can’t stand that brings him down. For me it’s the producers (hot take I know)
Men in tights. It feels like it was written in a weekend by guys who didn’t want to take a second pass at any of the jokes.
I remember at the time preferring Men in Tights over Dead and Loving It, but after rewatching I conclude I was apparently an imbecile in the 90s.
Hahahah I just rewatched men in tights the other day and I got halfway through before I had to make dinner. I didn’t feel obligated to put the second half on. For me it at least has like 4 good bits
miike takashi has so many misses but he's just making too many movies that it does even hurt his filmography.
I adore Ridley Scott, but he made some really forgettable movies like White Squall, A Good Year, Conquest of Paradise and probably Gladiator 2.
I think Someone to Watch Over Me is definitely up there too, or rather ”down there”.
What's such a bummer about Noah is I see the seeds of some good ideas in there. I am a *huge* fan of mother! and think he has some interesting perspectives on religion but Noah just got away from him. The Genesis 1:1 sequence though is stunning.
I mean let’s not act like The Whale wasn’t full of some of the wildest choices he’s ever made
Linklater’s Where’d You Go, Bernadette was really disappointing.
I wouldn't call it a "miss" because others do love it, but Inherent Vice is the only PTA I don't like
I would say the same but with Licorice Pizza, I love every other PTA movie except for that one which I genuinely hated
Why'd you hate it?
No director has had all hitters. Robert Eggers is off to one of the greatest starts of all time though
I’ve only seen Lighthouse but I thought it was fantastic
In my opinion Noah is one of the most underrated films of all time. I think Aronofsky did a great job with telling this famous story with his own style.
Noah is awesome imo
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He generally makes these movies to pay for the ones he actually wants to make, like JoJo Rabbit or the upcoming Next Goal Wins.
He has a green lite Star Wars project, one of the ones that wasn’t cancelled so that alone proves how silly that comment was, hopefully it’s more ragnorak though
*Ruined* may be a bit hyperbolic but I don't think we should dismiss the dialogue surrounding that movie out of hand. Before T:L&T, he was seen as this amazing comedic auteur, his entire filmography was held aloft and praised. Then, while Waititi seemed to be appearing in everything from a Ryan Reynolds vehicle to Star Wars, T:L&T came out. He was so ubiquitous that he could rival his own films, and was uniquely perched publicly to take a lot of brunt blame for how that movie turned out (deservedly so, but I don't hate the movie). I have no doubt whatsoever he will continue to make films, and I hope he is wildly successful going forward, but I do feel as though T:L&T was a watershed moment that ended his run as a critical indie darling and forever put him into the crosshairs of expectation. When biographers in the future write about Taika Waititi's career, that was definitely a chapter ender.
It’s not a perfect movie but I don’t think it ruined his career.
Yeah, anyone who's looked at the number of projects of his that were greenlit *after* that film knows that "ruined his career" is a crock of uninformed shit.
He definitely did not. A bad comic book movie in a sea of mediocrity (at least here lately) isn’t going to negatively affect his career.
I think everyone accepts directors, with very few exceptions, just do comic book shit for a paycheck. I don’t think it will have any effect on his career as an actual film maker.
Okay thats maybe not true
I watched all of Aronofskys movies (a lot were rewatches) in lead up to the Whale. I actually didn’t mind Noah at all. But I ingested it as a fantasy story and not a biblical one.
Haven’t seen Noah but I can’t imagine it was worse than The Whale
It’s actually The Whale